November 2, 2022 — Environmental Advisory Board Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[2:17] Well, I'm I'm glad you guys get the meeting person. It's I'm Paul Colin I live in South Boulder, and most of you know my voice by now. this I can hear heather Poly, you better hear us I can hear heather really Well, the rest of you are kind of fading out I don't know. Hmm let me hear. Yeah, I think I think it might just be that welcome welcome Paul. Can you hear me at all? Are you able to hear us? Yes, okay. Now we can hear you. Yes, I can hear you, but but but I can. I can hear you really. Well heather; whereas bread at the other end of the room is kind of a struggle to hear what he's saying.

[3:08] so I don't know if you could have a microphone in the middle. Yeah. We may not have that keepability tonight, Paul. Thank you for that feedback. We will make sure by next meeting. We do have that. Maybe Yeah, I I can hear you, and I can make out most of what you're saying. Can you hear me now You know, 90%. At least. So, anyway, let me start my comments. I'm really happy that you're gonna talk about the legislative priorities, And I'm really happy that you're gonna talk about There's some of those legslave priorities are have to do with climate change. And I'm gonna 0. In on. I'm on page 18 of the packet. It has customer electricity, choice, And I think this is really important that people are gonna be up in arms this winter over their utility Bills excel has increased electric prices.

[4:12] They've increased gas prices, and they've put the P. You see, I noticed that they're coming back for more. Cool. They want more rate increases. We need competition. It's just essential that we do something about this monopoly, because we're gonna have continue ready increases. I personally, don't think it's a coincidence that these rate increases, really started hitting after November 2020, when we went into a franchise agreement. I think we lost a lot of leverage at that point, and one way we might possibly get some leverage back is through what and item called community choice energy, which representative you wouldn't put in the bill last year to for the PC does this study. Hmm.

[5:04] The Poc is now studying community choice energy, and hopefully, somebody in the Legislature's going to run a bill next year. Community Choice energy. I really really want to send you to support that for all it's worth, because this is gonna be so important to everybody in excel territory. I just folder that we put some pressure on excel. That says we can come up with some competitive wholesale electric markets to put pressure on your pricing. you know I I You know I'm a climate guy, and I obviously think there's some definite emissions. Advantages to Cce that gives you a choice of going with a supplier who can give you a 100 clean electricity. Okay.

[6:00] but I think the big selling point is going to be the price. people are going to be shocked this winter when they get their utility bills, and I have no idea how long I've been talking, but I just wanna say thank you guys as usual. Thank you all very much for what you're doing, and let's just keep the pressure on. I think that's about 3 min Thank you, Paul. Thank you for your continued feedback, and meeting really appreciate it. Hi! I can turn my video on, too. Oh, okay, well, at any rate, yes, very nice to meet all of you. I am relatively new to Boulder. Go here just a year ago, and just learn to that these meetings happen and are open to the public. And alright. Megan, go ahead, We've got 3 min. Thanks.

[7:12] yeah, actually, really, similar to Megan. I just wanted to interested in climate and kind of worked in the past and wanted to know more about what was going on locally. Got it. You can do that. Okay, great. Thanks for sitting appreciate it. That is everyone. Okay, and we will move on for this discussion topic, which is okay, okay, sure. Yeah, and and that breath that you want to switch computers. the Keather wants to take you guys with that one background. There are a lot of things I need to consider for the next in person. Meeting, So thank you all for your patience, especially those of you who are online dealing with my plunkiness.

[8:03] there you go! Alright. Thanks alright. Well, well, good evening, everyone! Thanks for having me here to speak to do so. Brett was one that suggested it. Perhaps it was at your your direction, but in any case case you don't know me. I'm Carl Castillo. I'm the chief policy advisor in the City Managers office, and I primarily work on intergovernmental affairs. So we go the next slide here. So in terms of what I want to speak about tonight, and and it's not going to be a very long presentation. Hopefully, We'll have some conversation afterwards, as I want to discuss a little bit about the policy statement, and in your packet you have the 20? No, that's interesting. I have the 26 there in the little picture, but you should have the 22 in your packet, and well, the one that we're looking to approve.

[9:03] For 23 has not been approved yet, I gave this one to you because there hasn't been that much change on the climate and energy front. And I wanted to just see what a completed packet looks like, because it's it's very much the kind of document that we're putting together The way it's designed. There is principles, things such as you know, racial equity, collaboration, local control. Then there's positions, and there's positions like providing customers with an energy choice. In fact, we we very much do support the community Choice Energy Bill. That Representative Hutton has has introduced in the past, and that we're now waiting for the Poc. To study. And hopefully we will get some recommendations that allow us to introduced to Bill as the the commentary suggested. We also have priorities. So among the many think it's like 60 positions, we pull out one, or 2 or 3 or 4 that are priorities, and we do so because because of a few races, a because they're important, to us but be because we think they're, something that we can actually make progress.

[10:13] on in 2,023, and just some viability. So we're not just picking a priority, because it's important desk. There's a lot of things that are important, but there's actually been some some research that's been done by myself and others, that led us to believe. That we can actually make some progress We'll speak a little bit about the positions and priorities in this presentation, and I'm gonna focus on those of interest to this board and I'm gonna give you a little bit. About what I know that you might expect in 2023. So, in terms of purpose and use of the policy statement it it describes the city's goals that are conceptual in many ways, but also provides some detail. Because if you just said, support clean air, very useless. But if it's so detailed, then you might not actually have the direction to combine it, or connected to a bill that goes in a slightly different variation, so it kind of walks that line, between having a high level conceptual position with some detail examples, that are

[11:17] listed, and having this allows us to advocate at the State State capital, at the departments, the State departments, Federal capital Federal Departments, Dr. Coh Rtd. The many governmental bodies without having to run back to our City Council, which would be pretty much impossible to do so given. How fast things do at the State House. So it's actually kind of unique among our pure cities. Most of them do have to go through their council So it's it's something that our Council has trusted us with We've proven that we've been conservative and how we've interpreted it and as soon as we take a position we communicate it to capital the 2 councils, so that they can correct it, and they could. They could come back to me.

[12:01] Say Karl, good try, but you made a mistake when you supported that bill, or whatever it is the case it generally doesn't happen because I am working so I am very conservative and part of my job is, to Understand? What the Council's priorities are, and if there's any question I may contact them individually. And so the policy statement we then use to like, I say, lobby before the many governmental entities at the regional State, and Federal level, and that includes, like I mentioned Rtd Dr Cog the Rocky front steership Council in Colorado, the Executive branch in the General Assembly at the Federal level. Executive branch It's the legislative branch and the judicial branch to the extent that we sign onto Amicus Brace. And you're all aware that we do sign on to friend of It Court braves word. I'd say the city of New York is taking on this show on immigration, and they might say, boulder can you sign on? It's not exactly a legal issue. It's more of an advocacy effort, and for that reason it's actually included as something that this policy state allows us to move forward with in terms of the most recent policy.

[13:09] Stable. We're almost done with getting the approval process. Employee. It started with looking at the so let me pause. Your person to say a lot of the timeline of the policy statement tracks with the Colorado general some way schedule. It's not the only thing we advocate on, but it's perhaps the thing that's it's most drives a timeline. So when the session ended last spring in May, that's when we started to review and summarize and and brief our our our our our stakeholders. On what came out of that. We then propose some provisions. We tickle the Council's Intergovernmental Affairs Committee. We have 4 council members that sit on that valid body, and that was in in August. We then went to city council just last month. Got some input based good good start.

[14:01] Great great revisions. Here's a few more We'd like you to make, and I'm now taking it back to council on the December seventeenth, for their approval. Hopefully. That'll be on consent. That's traditionally the case, because if I did my job right, I received Council's input on a October the thirteenth, and that is reflected in the document that'll be approving again because I'm focusing on the state capital our first distribution of this document will be on December eleventh. What's important to know is that when we advocate we don't just use the document. In fact, I think you can agree that this is such a long document that it's probably overwhelming for most people that receive it in in in many ways. It's you know. You look at the priorities, and that's helpful, but not many legislators are gonna have time to use this. So it's so What we do is we put together other forms of communication, Of course we just verbally communicate. We have, we have lobbyists. I'll talk about that in a minute, but we also put together these things called policy snapshots will be focused on an issue such as are our open space lands and how.

[15:07] We want to protect them from from fires back. I've been just working with bread on getting in, but to finalize that we have wanna we see what I'm homelessness, and so on. So that's another form of a communication that comes out, and in many ways they're products of this policy. Statement. So you have. Yeah, It's great combination of a bunch of positions. And then we kinda drill down to what it can actually be used for for advocacy purposes, and we'll be handing that out both policy statement and those policy snapshots at the legislative breakfast which will be as senator fredberg a representative a monopoly and representative, Joseph. well, presumably when I I I believe she's either unopposed or very unlikely that the up the opposition will win and then we'll make revision systems. In February, after we've seen some of the calls come out, we find some bills that perhaps don't exactly.

[16:05] there are things that are important to us but that we don't have clear guidance from Council. We'll go back to Council and let them know what's going on, and perhaps see some additional revisions to the policy statement, and I mentioned that because during this conversation you all made decide hey? I'd like to see some changes, and so there are opportunities, and you can funnel them through bread, heather myself. Whatever is appropriate. So our advocacy team it could be myself and Laurel, Witt from the city attorney's office. We also have 2 state lobbyists from headwater strategies. They represent this at the capital they have full time presence there. They represent other clients, but they are providing us a full service. Lobbying contract on all issues. We also have Sta in DC. That represent us. So they are in DC. And they represent us on Federal matters, and then finally the council was very much part of the advocacy.

[17:05] Team, no surprise. There many times when we go to testify. People want to see and elected official, be the voice. Not always a lot of times, just somebody that who's got the expertise, and sometimes that could be more convincing. So I know we've had our police chief. I think I've had you Brett, but if not as long ago, Jonathan there, and we've had a more finance department. So whatever the case may be, the point is, we want to get somebody who is going to be both knowledge and persuasive, and that is at the State capital, or that is perhaps even just individual meetings with our vice legislators or coalition partners, it so I just mentioned that it's it's also people in the department And I guess it's important to mention that folks like Brett are doing a lot of work behind the scenes. So there is. I'm not an analysis of bills. There is drafting of bills. There is coalition work We should have legislators, others testifying.

[18:06] So these departments are the ones that are most likely involved. And it's actually coincidental. But it's it's kind of in the empty, proximate order of the department set or most involved in advocacy. so they are very much part of the admiss advocacy team as Well, transportation absolutely. Yeah, Yeah, transportation is is so regional. And yes, and then finally, you know Humboldt, or you know they said we'd be punch a bubble or wait class but nonetheless, we are just one city so in order to be effective, and and what I enjoy the most is the ability to work. With partners to try to get them, sign on to our agenda, and then have a call. Russian, and an intergovernmental organization that can then lobby with their they're greater political cloud, and they're lobbyists.

[19:02] So, for example, the Colorado communities for private action is an organization that we helps begin 7 years ago, and actually Brett was was that one of the founders of the ideas that now that that organization is 39 local governments throughout the State and with that be in the fact that they are representative of diverse demographics and parts of the State. their advocacy. Efforts are both ones that are consistent with ours, because we're actively involved, or either on the Policy Committee. In Fact Dronington is right now. The chair of the Policy Committee or on the the the Board, or we've been chartered board. So in any case, because of our involvement, their policy agenda usually mirrors ours in many, many ways, and then they have lobbyists who are have been very effective and increasingly players at the capital as well as the the regulatory agencies.

[20:02] okay. So in terms of what are the positions? There's 2. The first one is one that's title of climate change and community resilience. There's a lot here, in fact, you'll notice that these are one through 13. This is what starts our policy statement, even though transportation perhaps has more involvement in advocacy work. I think climate change. When's the prize? For the number of you have questions. Yeah, is this for 2022 or 25 So this is as it's proposed for 2,023. Yeah. So there might be some small differences So anyway, it's common initiatives wins the prize for having the most amount of positions and I think it's you know it's very clear that Climate is is usually important to our city to our city council. So this policy standard reflects it. I think you all can read, but as you can see, it has everything that wants to resilience and greenhouse gas emissions, and making sure local governments have the power, the power to engage in climate action all the way down to waste production and

[21:10] diversion and oil and gas industry. Did I make a bad assumption? But or you've been able to read so I know Bulgar High not wait. Wait. They used to be No. So the other position is one that we created in recognition that not all things are climate. Occasionally we have pollution issues that really are more of a regional air issue for a regional ecological issue. And so that's what this position is about, and highlighted positions. 49, 52, 53, which are ones that are, or likely of interest. To this group again. I know that you can read so I won't repeat them. but they're good things to be aware of. Let's see here if I can. So I did mention that we do prioritize positions.

[22:02] In fact, in this case, what you see for you is a position that is a combination of one on Brazilians and on wildfire mitigation. And it's actually very much come out of the out of my work with Brett. recognize couple of things. One I'm sure you're all familiar with the effort to increase the urban canopy, to produce extreme heat and of course you recognize that there's a tremendous need to take our our wild vans in terms. Of prescribe burns, and other treatments that are necessary to decrease the odds that we have. A martial situation and folder, and what Brett has has brought the table is the fact that both of these have trees in common, and both of these have the potential for their workforce and equity. Center of workforce. We are training people with the ability to both send. We cut down and plant and of course there needs to be a coordinated effort to do it in a way that has the the science that you know allows us to know what are the correct species, and what's the time, and all of that.

[23:08] So the priority that we're looking to further both at the State and Federal level, is to try to get support both of the State House among the Governor's office, and we have meetings that I have on on all fronts to make sure that we can have a great opportunity to to get our share of the Inflation Reduction Act funds for for wildfire, mitigation and urban canopies, and then so, and to do so, because we proven that we are a case study on how to do it efficiently and effectively, and perhaps us 4 service, might even agree to give us money in advance, so that they can show other cities how this can be effective. So bread my my catching on. And, as I mentioned, these are so what you saw before was the table of contents of positions.

[24:09] This is actually a snippet of position. Number 4, which speaks for as wildfires and I've highlighted the portion of the position that justifies, or that supports that priority another priority is clean air restoring or at least improving cleaner and in Colorado, and we think this is another one that has a big equity focus. so much of the poor air Pollution is, I, as I understand, for people who live closest to interstates people who don't have safe spaces to avoid air pollution on days where where some of us can go into air, conditioned you know safe homes we want to address air pollution in a

[25:00] variety of ways, and, in fact, I will go through the next slide. Talk about some of the examples of how we'd like to address it First, the Color Department of Public health and environment got additional funding at the last session, and we'd like to make sure that they use it effectively to do more enforcement of some of the high pollen emitters that part of the funding that they received was to identify who those I a pollutant meters, are. So that'll be one of the things we're working on We'll also be working on decreasing combustion appliances. I always thought of them as just a an internal Well, I guess I had. I thought a bit more as a natural gas is gonna make you have asthma or other other air problems, But increasingly I'd recognize I've been educated by caroline ellen from the climate team that it's a significant contributor to the natural gas that then leaks out and and contributes to our ozone problem So That's another thing.

[26:00] We'll work on likewise. Motor vehicle exhaust. I understand that there's many vehicles that pass emissions. but then either our tampered would their their mufflers and their catalogue converter, or sometimes in the effort to make it more efficient or to make it louder. people will. Great. Yeah, They'll increase their mission. yeah, there's I forgot to call it rolling call, or you know there's there's a variety of vehicles for people intentionally try to make it noisier and often, times more polluting and there's technologies. Out there like I things that cars would drive underneath these devices. This technology that can actually measure the emissions that are coming out from vehicles, and that could be used to require that owner of the vehicle to get it. And or we admissions stuff, so something that we've already spoke got to stick with with Senator Fenberg.

[27:05] and then, lastly, I was thinking about those who don't have the the luxury of avoiding those really poor air days, and and we'd like to make sure that that they are provided some sake and or sheltering I think that's, gonna become increasingly important combination of poor air and extreme heat. I think that's something we're gonna pay on the forefront of advocating for Okay, so this is my last slide What to expect in 23 geothermal electricity. Production. I understand? That this could be a really exciting way to provide the stability base low that you would need to kinda stabilize the intermittent benefits of silver and wind, and especially on the industrial scale. Level I think the State of Colorado is looking for ways that we can become a leader in providing geothermal energy.

[28:01] It's currently we under utilize here. I heard this is underlying to what I heard from the State House, but that oil and gas wells can often provide a a a a gigantic it could be a resource for a lot of the heat in fact somebody's working wells to be tapped into for that. So while we often have a lot of concerns with our oldest extractive industry, they need be part of the solution in terms of offering geothermal So that's pretty exciting what exactly that looks like in terms of legislation I don't know likewise another renewable energy source, which is hydrogen. So we're of course, very interested in electric vehicles, but, as I understand it, we move over to heavy duty trucks, electric vehicles. Is not often something that is sufficient to provide the the energy that a large heavy truck is going to need, and so they are apparently the perfect candidate for trying out clean hydrogen so we can expect some legislation.

[29:01] I've been told this year to provides a clean hydrogen hub or hub is in Colorado also very exciting. so there was a bill that was introduced last session that would have required eb charging requirements and pre wandering for apartments. commercial, Multifamily it was kill, because it was determined that by the governor's office that it was gonna be too expensive. however, we expected to come back this time, and this time with the support of the governor's office, and again so hopefully, that means that you're you're hearing the same encouraging news. So that is third. Yeah, this is not legislative. But this is actually very exciting and important. You you know that I think we're one of the first States to require a greenhouse gas carbon, a budget of our regional transportation plans.

[30:01] And you know that this past already through the State House, and then it passed through regulatory. the power of the transportation, adopted. A regulation detective to the next step. Now it's a question of making sure that the Mpm. Is the metropolitan planning organizations of the world. In our case Dr. Cog, the Denver original Council of Governments, implements it, and that's gonna be tough if you think that passing the bill and the reservation stuff, it's gonna be a lot harder when you have a variety of cities who really have a lot of desire and political Cloud to get their share What they traditionally have known to be their traditional financial share of Federal government dollars for transportation purposes. And Now, it's going to be tied to proof that it has a smaller greenhouse gas footprint which is often means density and walkability, and transit friendliness So that's going to be an interesting effort that we're going to be involved with as well finally you

[31:02] know that a lot of money has been made available by the infrastructure law and the Inflation Production Act that would go towards Brazil and purposes to climate purposes a lot of those programs are still being created in fact, I don't know of any yet that are actually already perceiving you know applications for friends, so our efforts are tied with making sure that we're involved in the creation of those programs. For example, on on, on urban canopies. There's 1.5 billion dollars that's that that is available under the inflation reduction. Actually wanna shape how it's going to be, what the criteria are going to be, what the programs could be like. Then, of course, you want to apply and want to be successful and want to do so in conjunction with other governmental bodies. and that is, makes our applications more compelling. saying that even infrastructure or that stuff is still not even Yeah, Yeah, I I I have not.

[32:05] I I actually get our Federal lobbyists. Give us a lot of updates I'm on and quick, you know, meetings to inform the criteria and guidance that's been considered. I have not received any of that are available to local governments that are already on the ground. So it's yeah, it's unfortunate, because you know, it's it's in some somewhat aggregate, because I think from a political front or or elected officials, And the President wanted to make sure that this helped you know change the political climate and and provided employment and maybe even address inflation But the truth is that in terms of it, hitting the road upon intended, it's good to take a while In fact, some of these will probably take 5 years or more to get the funding out well Yeah, in fact, you'll know about the the electric vehicle incentives are ones that are limited to industries that have a certain amount of vehicles a bunch of vehicles that are produced in the state of right in the United States, and use a battery that is similar to way manufactured in the us that's gonna that's a

[33:08] perfect example of a funding source That's gonna Be incredible. Wait limited until the industry can adjust, produce, electric vehicles and and batteries, in in the Us. But in the long term it should be fantastic. You know. I'll just pause. Last thing I'll say, in case you didn't know and I think it's hugely important that the Inflation reduction act was the first piece of Federal legislation that actually said that greenhouse gas is a pollutant which is hugely significant I mean. Up until then we'd have to rely on administrative regulations, and we've been second-guessed by the Supreme Court about whether or not this is too big of a leap. Maybe we need more direct legislation. So we haven't had even the actual log. Say that greenhouse gas is an acknowledged problem. Now we have. Now it's part of the cleaner right? So it's it's on the same level as ozone.

[34:03] A particular particular matter, so I didn't know about that immediately. When this came out, Sounds like you guys have heard of it. Anyway. It's it's fantastic, It's it's usually important. And something that'll be very Michael to be undone, which is, which is great, too. So that concludes my presentation, so I think I will hit escape here. People. I think so, I said a lot. I hope not too much, but really interested in hearing your questions on the process, and and somebody else that work great usually go around and give it run chats with clarifying questions. so really good. The goals Hello! No, I'm just more curious about how the whole process works. So you create a statement which project is like, gonna like the goals, or what But I want to get out of the project.

[35:08] Oh, no! I'm thinking, like, okay. If somebody gives me a project, it'll send me a statement kind of like a So who actually writes the bill. yeah, I guess the purpose will be like. Please send the statement to city organizations. that's a great question. And and hopefully, that will not make kind of let you into my world. So policy statement was approved 2 years ago. One of the positions was to lift the cap on 120%. Up until then there was log that said that you can operate more than 120% of energy from solar on on-site solar 120% of the amount that you'd use in the previous year We thought that would just limited for example, we want to make sure that people who

[36:12] look, to expand their electrification of their of their homes, or to get a bunch of vehicles We're not gonna have an insufficient solar, right? So what did I do So with that policy statement I want the center to den. And I said, Sarah Fredberg, we'd love it. You could carry a bill for us. That would. That would. Further these means, and he says, very interested That's that's see some ideas from you. So I work with John the Coe and I work with Carol, and Helon Batman, and we started getting an outline, And he's like, Okay, this is great. Let's think about who's going to be a post this, or who else do we need to get supportive of it? So he started to identify some. The stakeholders. We continue to be kind of like the lead drafter of the bill, and we got our state lobbyists to start helping us identify co-sponsors at the capital, and then literally, you know, at that point you need to you need to hurt the cats and making sure that they're there for

[37:08] testifying every person that's in a coalition institutional to their legislators, so that so much of it occurs in the hallways at the capital. So we want to walk into votes in advance. So that's what we were starting to do. Luckily we had been majority. Later Fenberg, who has tremendous medicine of of influence in and of himself. But he revised very much on us So that's an example of a proactive bill that resulted from the policy staff. yes, I think it's always kind of perhaps inappropriate to say that we wrote the bill because there's always the fact that this the the the Senator or Representative is it is the final voice you know what goes into it but we are provide an example.

[38:02] As we're providing drafts, draft languages, and there's actually a legislative drafter at the capital who takes stuff that we provide and kind of conceptual form. Sometimes you can actually put it into the statutory references, and that, And so that's an example of like very proactive version of the bill. Right now. well, actually I'll be getting ahead of myself if I mentioned that example and part of the challenge for this is that a lot of it is sensitive. You don't want to get ahead of a legislator who wants something you don't want to get head of a coalition partner, he says hey? I wasn't ready to to announce that, so I I can't get an examples going from, But let's just take another example of a bill on transportation. the transportation bill that passed that that that provided fees that raise the amount of revenue available for transportation through a variety of enterprises and fees. That was a bill that we knew. We can take a lead on it, but we did What we did know is that we were part of 2 major organizations that could be very influential.

[39:05] One was the Metro Mayor's caucus, and Mayor Saint Weber was very much a leader in that organization, and when some of the Mayors were saying, I don't like, this because there's not enough money coming back to the Denver region he started to work on some language that would help to balance out the funding that would go into the front range versus the rural areas. Meanwhile the mayor and I are working at the Northwest Mayors and Commissioners Coalition which is kind of the us 36 the long- that via batteries we're trying to get their support and that wasn't easy either we had you know some cities that were basically saying, You know, a a variety of concerns, including the fact that electric vehicles shouldn't be the things that will prioritize and we should be prioritize another admission productions so so that is an example of how we took the council's approved policy statement or position and then advocated for a bill that was already being introduced I mean it wasn't like it wasn't our idea.

[40:04] We knew it was coming, but we work to react to the bill that was introduced to build a coalition, to have some things adjusted in the bill, and to then testify ourselves, and to make sure that these other bodies that were members of testify so we play a part and you know I mean we're always playing a part. There's never a bill that's passed as like gonna have city boulder as the sole author, and add looking for it. In fact, as you know, sometimes Boulder comes with its own baggage, so we may often I have a bill right now that I'm working on, which I can't speak about, but I'm looking for a statewide entity to to be the face of it it's gonna be much more persuasive So it's not gonna just be dismissed as a boulder, bill. Not that over. Isn't seen as a as a leader, but sometimes they say, Well, of course you support that. You're bolder, it's like let's hear a person of the other non-likely candidates, more specific, clarifying question.

[41:10] but you mentioned on the slides cap and tree. Sure yeah, financial mechanisms, Yeah, I think I think it was more cap rather than trade. Yeah, cause that cause. That is the capping of of greenhouse gases is much more politically palatable than trading. Apparently. That's seen as a little K. 2 capitalistic for some environmentalist. So what? Exactly where we want talking about that thing which industries which for end of entity great question. So I think when I first came on, if it's really just to allow us to sign on Federal efforts to ask the Federal Government to do it. Since then we now have a very bold, aggressive state.

[42:00] Wide greenhouse gas production, and it's got industrial standards, and the Governor, I think it's been an excellent job at getting as much voluntary production from much of the industry. So what? I guess the building sector transportation sector most of us feel like at some point we're gonna have to put caps on service sectors. So, for example, I think oil and gas may be an example of it, because there's a limited amount of players. On my vehicle Vehicle Owners We can't put a cap on it because we just can't control hundreds of thousands no ones. That people have calls; whereas there's only so many pipes and outlets for emissions that come from the way on gas industry It's certainly the extractive industry so that's an example where a cap may be appropriate and we would advocate, and would be turning to our climate coalition. Advocates to help us with that. That's perfect example work. They have been leaders, too. Push the governor's office to consider caps and not just performance standards that may not lead to the resulting greenhouse gas reductions.

[43:05] okay, Okay, So it is more just a general idea. And we're still looking at Positions here that aren't quite actionable right now, after all that one could be. I mean, it could very well be that we're looking at 23 at lobbying for account on the whale guest industry, and this would give us the authority to do that. Okay. I was also I've never heard of these devices. You mentioned that measure emissions, like when you're driving. yeah, I I'm wondering how much they cost and how much of the problem it already is. If there is a cost, benefit analysis, and the devices like, how much would they cost?

[44:04] How many of them would you need? In what which places to install, and how many cars would actually benefit car owners would benefit from? No. In this data, and would actually go and get their emissions, not change. I don't know It's it's a real good question. It's actually a concept, that I've never seen. I never noticed it, Carolyn Alon Barton to my attention, and I've had others that I've spoken to about this. Say that, yes, they're aware of the technology it's used in other states. So great questions. These are in order to be persuasive, we'd have to have. So that's just kind of reminding me of the kind of research I'll need to do with the kind of right? Something like that. That's a good point, because I would've thought that most cars are modern enough, that they're barely claim.

[45:06] You know. That's not the case. Very interesting. psychologically, and health wise. But yeah, for actual like missions. Yeah, So the Colorado mislead is looking to support available. That would so limit the amount of nuisance. muffer, free vehicles, and so one of the things I'm gonna do is I'm gonna say, Hey, That's a great idea. And why don't we tell 2 person one stone? Can we can that bill be something that also addresses the emission dishes usually go hand in hand? You're cutting your mouth for off, and you're putting a dual on. You're probably cutting your catalytic converter off. yeah, so they I mean, not necessarily but I doubt you care too much about pollution.

[46:02] If you're going around intentionally trying to make a yeah. I'm also curious. If there was a bill last year or geothermal energy in Colorado, and there were a lot of interesting discussions. I'm not an expert in general energy, but I know some people who know a lot more about it, and they were saying that there isn't. There aren't really sources for that that are hot enough for geothermal springs and and stuff like that to actually generate energy. and the the bill was written. There were some, I guess, questionable language that was that was used so I just wanna make sure that we're careful with. if we're talking about, you know, geothermal heat pumps or just heat pumps and general not through a thermal deep pump.

[47:06] But that we we do similar research on what's actually available on Yeah, Thank you. Good. Good points for me to consider, and my understanding is that we're talking about kind of industry scale like. So not something that you can do in your own neighborhood. yeah, well, I got it from somebody who really should know. so on a good source that there is the ability to do this in Colorado and there's a recent Npr. Oh, from H. Springs. Okay, So yeah, apparently of working Wells: Yeah, still access. And you can still access some heat from down there pretty, and then I yeah, I think I'll Yeah, I just wanted to talk briefly on the people who modify those engines.

[48:14] So one of my day, jobs is, I work at good times. you can always tell cars loud, and it smells awful. Hmm! Truly terrible. And I mean I So you mentioned that you're working with Senator Penberg on something around that cool. So I I I'm glad to hear that they're working on that because it is a really unpleasant noise, wise, unpleasant, smell, wise and not great for the environment for people to be doing that Yeah, not great. But the other version ahead. Was, so say for the 22 agenda. You know there's one of the prairies is. I don't know. Increasing solar panels statewide, so theoretically, that gets turned into law through the legislation.

[49:03] How long is the process from council approving the agenda and priorities to actually getting that one? you know, put into log on average By the way, when we have I mean, obviously we're not partisan, but the Democrats are clearly more line with 95% of our position. So we have made leaps and downs in the last 3 years. 4 years ago, with that Governor Polis, and we've had a majority at the in the House and Senate, and we've Had Speaker Decker and announcing that President it's huge We've I mean, We've we've chucked up so many so I can't say how on average. But we've been successful in our approach, and and the rain advancing our priorities every year for the last 3 years.

[50:04] we've been able to say, each one is checked off in some regard. We're not like a lot of local home legislation. For example, and so usually that means cast will present in November and by May or no, or June the third. It's law. Of course we can never say. You know but for boulders that will happen and that's that's part of the challenge. And And truly we don't even want to say, because humility is pretty important. If you want to maintain relationships in the environmental world, so all you want to do is be a helpful partner and and find the sees you're drafted the bill all the better thanks that's all I got great. I don't know any other questions, but that was a really important presentation. so I will stick back. Do you heard one So I did. You explain? Called the wrapping of the Veil wars, and how I got to man working. Yeah, So which point do you move Would you call like more like expert or researchers that know more about the scientific?

[51:09] They we find available, like if you were driving a veil or Drop, or at which point those are very cool works on this industry or does research on the center call me to play immediately. So right now I'm working with a national expert on one of our bills. and we're super willing to process mobile home legislation we work with. I think her name is Isabel Mcdermott, who was the national expert on Mobile home on on on right right. A first refusal, and on rent stabilization which were to build that we're looking to work on. And so we went right to her immediately. We wanted to find out what was going to be unconstitutional versus constitutional, where it's worked and what? States. So that's one of the first things we do Is your broken l She no, she actually would contract before Colorado for a while for for voter on our mobile home strategies.

[52:10] But she's she's from Washington. State of Washington. so on this one. This is a bill that I know is gonna go forward. So this is not one that I'm looking for. A city to champion. But I want the city to be a champion, you know, not to be touching, so I am confident that the organization that is is looking to introduce this will have some of the best experts to work on it. so I mean, frankly, there are. There are some bills that were way more influential because we're saying Boulder is has expertise on it. Liquid, Brett, you know he brings so much expertise on on a lot of resonance issues, and others We're gonna be a smaller voice, but you know, and and I think on geothermal thing we don't have the 2 of thermal experts unless I don't miss

[53:09] some, so we'll be part of the course of people that will support it, and we'll try to encourage CC. 4. Ca: for example, to be supportive and make sure that they're actively supportive because there's different levels of support Are you gonna dedicate your lobbyist time to go around and counting boats? And and do what it takes, so so so that's an example of we're just. Sometimes we just don't have the expertise and we have to acknowledge that. So from the outside. People don't see the difference They just know that we're logged into something, but there's lobbying. Well, for example, on that solar 100% solar rooftop solar bill, we had quite a bit of X case on it, and so we were able to to draft a good portion of it Yeah, Yeah, hearing process Student: that's a that's a good

[54:09] point I mean, we do have a democracy, and we have. We do find already hearing people that we didn't even think of who have come because they they have all the State houses work, and and they say I'm a Phd and I have 30 years and you know and this, and this and and here's, what you best, so, there. Are there probably is quite a bit of value that's added throughout the committee, and second and third reading in the House, and then it goes to the Senate, and it goes to the same process, and then has to be reference cross reference So lot of opportunity for experts to point out mistakes. And missed opportunities. Yeah. questions. yeah, So you would mentioned the inflation Reduction Act and the infrastructure.

[55:04] Bill, and I think when you were talking about urban forestry, or oh, for you were saying that there were also additional opportunities to either get the money quicker, or maybe get some extra money. yeah. So I just wanted to. I guess caution us. But I'm I'm a little bit uncomfortable with that. I I know that Boulder has a lot of issues, and definitely 5, some big scares of wildfires. But I think there are some really at risk communities across the United States that have less funding opportunities, and Holder does, and I, I think especially right now there's there's been more of a push for environmental justice and and serving address people.

[56:15] Even with the vaccine rollout first, and so I would. Actually, maybe we could use our voice to encourage the Federal funding to go to more communities with us, budgetary restriction with more budgetary restrictions or less tax dollars that they can use for things like this first great point of man that was Actually, somewhat brought up by our City Council when I was talking about how we you will focus on an equity centered focus. Who's equity, you know, is it? And I said, I admit it. I said, You know I I haven't thought of that. But equity doesn't have orders, and for us to say we're gonna compete against the neighboring city, for example, to get more money at the cost of the city that has more need that maybe they have more marginalized community members that would be totally consistent with both what We

[57:23] want, and our messaging so I guess what I was trying to say is that okay? I think we want our region, and maybe our state. So the the front range to be a a a leader in this phone and maybe I forward to you, breadth to kind of communicate. I'll just use the. So we actually got the organizing the regional consortium on city to begin developing improvement for expansion strategies so that they could have more equity invitation both in where the intended urban portion projects will go and actually also to

[58:04] get. but the other was because we don't do workforce development, And if we wanted to do through equity center workforce so we can build it pretty much like you say, regional approach which is designed to help us build our yeah, I I definitely think that communication regional communication, and the original planning is very helpful. I just think that bolder necessarily at like a overall as a city has a little bit more financial ability. Then other surrounding areas to to do work like this. So I would just caution if we're trying to get more than our share, I think, is what you, I said at 1 point you know, that's actually a term that I heard our governor say, just recently, it it's almost

[59:21] like everybody's parochial when you're looking at. I mean, yeah, it's a responsible for me to not try to get as much money per city as I can get, But but but but but you bring up a good point about like you know it cannot be Yeah, by the people I thought about it not sacrificing or equity values and do you Think it's really, important in the context of Boulder as one of the highest from wild virus, and one of the highest flooding lists, and so you have to be cautious like. You Say to the families that lost their home in Marshall Fire? Oh, well, we should be proceeding to try. Yeah, no, that's right.

[60:01] So it is. I I Yeah, totally agree. And I think that's part of the reason why we've said we can't just work within our boundaries. We It would be nothing some great, emissions or something, and nobody else could. And so we've really been trying to champion this notion. We have to work at larger scale, so that everybody but I think that's it. I can The best way that we can advocate for some of these other meetings with your resources is to create these consortiums and what they're Yeah, No, I I don't. I was, I was more saying on, on the financial ability of the city to to deal with with these issues rather than like what the that these issues are real, and that they need solving. But yeah, I'll It's a little There's any other budget, or half a 1 billion and all the money is not located already.

[61:04] Yeah is an additional multi-million dollar project. So, could be. Then 20% of the city budget, I mean the money I guess it's there for the groaning, and we have the resources to get. And so yeah, perhaps they can go to lowering on community. But at the same time we have the opportunity to date those funds and we have really clear goals. Let me guess. That's what it is like. The reality. I think we have a really good environmental team here at the city that other communities may all happen is just because I mean, I don't know. It's it's all because I think the money's there's second we use up on me responsibly, And then we said that an example.

[62:02] Then the local units can replicate hopefully. For this money, because we're ready to get the experiment. boulder can absolutely lead the way, and paid the path for the cities to follow. And also we've got a large budget for city of the size that holders, but we're not a very large city in terms of the country, and so we can use the money that's being offered and given to. Cities to lay that foundation for other larger, and smaller, more funded and less funded cities, to follow through and build infrastructure for lower prices with less experimentation, and faster. Isn't it our city to sort of do that, and make sure that we have all of the resources possible to lead that pass forward? I I'm just really glad you're asking the question, because I agree with everything that's been said, and it's really easy to get into our our community.

[63:04] And so I think we have to keep asking that question and ask ourselves, How is it working to support? So, not being exclusive, Huge stuff, It's weird, the you know, collaborations that's been helpful 20 min. Just reminder, and frankly, if we're not able to respond to questions like this, never gonna be successful. Okay, I also just wanna acknowledge Karl, really our job. Yeah, I really appreciate how you do it, Carl. And you support all these different departments, work and keeping track of all you're your diplomacy. You were chosen well for your job. I agree. That's right.

[64:00] Well, thank you. And I I I mean, this has been very, very helpful for me, and just really enjoyable, Frankly, because for me this this now is part of the team. You know the idea is that the suggestions you gave me, and it just it mattered It matters to me to know that you guys care by one because occasionally it's it's a little bit in. The quite echo chamber, and you know something passes, and somebody says, Well, it's good, you know. So I don't have any choice. No, no. Are you going to stay here for the next discussion? Talk. Did you want me to What was that? Probably you? Well, we were about to work on our literary council

[65:07] Council? Do you have anything else to add? Okay, alright, this is a pleasure, guys. Thank you. Thank you. If you are alright, Carl, we still can't get you any. It's deserved Personal commitment, Yeah, I'll just make one more piece now, suckers. And It's that time of year, not just for Halloween and Thanksgiving.

[66:02] Christmas, but it's that time we put together our annual letter to Council Now I'm not sure we've gotten the guidance yet This year last year they changed their guidance, and it was a much more. Abbreviated process, and so noticing the packet, the letter was more like a one-page thing, because that was, and so, not having gotten guidance yet this year, what we thought we would do tonight, is give you the opportunity to think about what news is more currently than to really consider from this coming year. There were, and then I also wanted to go through with you, some ideas that we've had with a staff about things that we want to have. You have the chance to be given greetings on as a part of your role, as so I will. And I'll get to that in a second.

[67:07] And it might be that even some of these are useful. So back behind you, Not necessarily the order of their appearance, but across the sort of 4 quarters of next year, I this displayed and sort of distributed 12 topics just happened to be that we will bring some what are the topics that we think we're going to be working on interesting that range from urban heat and air quality to resilience and simply spastics. And so much of what past normal advisory boards have raised as issues that they wanted to see more, giving and or if they wanted to be more involved in this way, Mike's been on the board for quite a while so you might have and then there are some new topics here that have never for some time that we are. We'll give you a chance to have a problem that you will probably have an opportunity to hear more about news on.

[68:16] So maybe just take a quick look at these. Ask me any questions that you want to about these, and then we'll have a discussion about what Correct, we possibly read these allowed virtual can hear it. I don't know if they can see that, so we have urban heat, management and air quality electrification of buildings. the the broader full- encompassing climate, action, strategy of the city, transportation, electrification, urban forestry, often probably delayed closely to the open heat. He's leap floors, land, use environment building codes and climate.

[69:02] 5 Diversity and Pesticides. Climate aligned, purchasing and procurement resilience, kind of broadly and single use, plastics. Is there any intention behind the coloring of the Yeah, I have sort of sort of these in an order that I think that some of them might be coming forward. the electrification of buildings is an area that we've been working on for a number of years. And then I think this year may become a real focus, and that perhaps early in the year similarly we've been working for quite some time on an update for our action strategy. So I think that would be something that you're it's Carl, and saying we're doing a lot of work around And actually there's a really interesting pairing of these 3 topics So it's not really enough.

[70:14] Of course, to just reduce temperatures outside people's buildings. If their homes are still too hot. And so we're looking at the possibility of a kind of joint strategy, especially in our high vulnerability communities where we would try to improve the outdoor environmental conditions as well as access to cooling technology and do that in part through both web application and open forestry transportation. So really, as you probably all know, the 2 really big moves on the carbon side or around transportation and around natural gas. Reduction. So these are really big aspects of this one Lead flowers has just been coming up for several years, and now we're actually as a department going to be contracting with some folks to help us look at The past look at what the consequences of banning gas leap lowers

[71:09] and basically around what the removal of 2 cycle engines from landscaping might look like, if that would be possible. These 2 obviously go closely together. Land use. They basically planning and land use and the implications around climate There's gonna be a lot happening The biodiversity and pesticides realm this year. In fact, we may be working on holding a major summit, maybe even a national summit on biodiversity and climate. Here in boulder around this time we have. And we're updating our our Ipm policy starting right now and that will probably lead to some community engagement with all of you and others. And then there's a really interesting work. This is really in our circular economy between. Say, we use plastic. That's actually a piece that's coming forward like I mean the legislature again this year.

[72:05] some opportunities there, as well as you know how we use our procurement to see and then reilience is a big topic, which I know is going to come up again as year and as the city starts to figure out how to take. The next generation of our world. In that context Can you speak to a little bit more purchasing for? Yeah, So this would be about setting criteria for our vendors around. you could, even There's one side of this which is about what the values of the companies are. What are they heavily invested in tobacco and and arm ceiling? or it could be What's the carbon density of the material that they're amazing? How is it produced?

[73:01] So there's lots of different. Does that also entail the Yeah, yeah, how do I mean this whole field of how we start to use the markets in the variety of different ways And then resilience is an interesting one, because there are climate change resilience issues, but there are roders, not just about climate. Yeah. And so what specifically could be addressing through the building codes like? Is there like a specific section of the building, goes just generalized building codes. Well, we have been on a path for accelerated building codes now since 2,014. You're one of the first communities to drop and so I think we're on track to have all new buildings being that 0 by 21, some some sizes of buildings are now already supposed to be getting that So there are some updates there's a whole.

[74:13] building code updating process that's going with the thinking about kind of the next generation. So and real, a whole new cast of of earlier markles out in our way and use department. Now comprehensive planning units, and they're really interested in starting to think with us about things like new codes and ordinances around both green infrastructure and great infrastructure. So I think they're really interested to start thinking Okay, So building rooms are we also are, maybe is related, but not in the building cards. Are we thinking about construction? That's that's probably more broadly, in the kind of circular economy 0 race discussion which it's sort of likely that We were to do the single.

[75:14] Use plastic. We should probably just do an update on on circular Con: Yeah, Okay, Yeah. Thank you. This is why I bought the new box of markers, and you're right. Speaking of a single use class? Yeah, but at least we recycle those specialty recycling. We ship them all Yeah, that's incredible.

[76:08] I love it. Do they not do that anymore? I don't know. Okay. So is, Yeah, Are there any issues environmental that are on your mind as being things that are council or community should be really considering that are not alright, awesome, has gone a little bit, and I think the first and foremost, thing we should focus on in order to fix that issue is public education, There's a lot of people here from out of state for temporary living here, and we have not come across What common thing is in their own. so I think, in order to decrease the amount of contamination or wait streams, a continuous, not just a big one.

[77:15] Time, effort. Education, Okay, So Brett, what's what's the purpose of this letter? So we we send a letter to console. Why like this? So things that are undermined for later on, we're in the newly calm was or Google Voice is looks like that. They can still the city manager to direct the teams like, What's what? Why do we do this? So every year Council does its own work plan? Yeah, like, what should we as a council focus our attention on in terms of policy? So? Is it the opportunity for this point? The offer Council be back to say, or your next year in your work. Plan, Please prioritize these issues, Oh, they'll they'll always make fun of alright.

[78:14] let's say we give you elections. so I guess in decades. Oh, that was to I what we want to do this year. Well, let's take climbing as an example. Yeah, like pretty broad topic. Right. It would be a great opportunity, because Council will almost always say climate is still one of our number. One. We have all these other things, It's just sort of assume. The climate is there? It's like, therefore it's also sort of assume that we kind of got it covered, or but I I mean, I've heard from Council directly as some of us have it they Are still very concerned about it, and they want to know what we should be doing about it so, I think that

[79:14] if there are particular aspects of climate action, that you think that the Council should be paying particular attention to this would be the opportunity and I mean, even if it doesn't make it on my work plan just getting a letter from the Board that says we think these are important. Put it on that radar, and so it might make, even on different issues, and like it might come up organically as opposed to being one of the Work plan issues as well as possible, because I feel like last year we talk about the urban a forestry project. But I haven't heard anything about it from council, all year, long, So it's like, okay, as well, I guess Well, next year I thought that we'd be like was a letter, maybe too broad, because I I think we talked about criminal economy.

[80:01] And so like, Okay. And I read that like one way like from my council, perspective, And like, wasn't anything that we said like, you need to do. That is well, the other way to think about this and the other way it sort of works is, if you say that that's something that's a priority. Then when Staff, is putting quite a lot of time and energy into it, even if it wasn't something That's that, Council said you. Should do this, and Councilor goes. Oh, I'm glad they're doing that. That's something to our community. Said, is really important to us. So there's stuff that Council doesn't direct our work plans right? So theoretically they do hire us because we're supposed to know what we should be doing, and then, but it's good when the community gives them feedback, and then they see that staff is doing what they need as well Yeah, So for a letter. Maybe we should pick like 3 topics, or something, or do topics, perhaps. Not. Yeah, I I think that's typically good good advice

[81:07] I wonder if, under billing codes I could like garden rooftops of like trying to get that included in a building code like green carbon zinc They have this natural, coolance great plus they look cool bit more of a challenges than Aaron drying trickier, depending on your location. But yeah, I mean, it can't obviously be a apartment building. But and that could be encouraged. That's just a generalized idea, or at least allowable. Yeah. It's a little too specialized

[82:08] Right. It's gonna be a priority for council because you're hearing so much about it. Again. Once What's something that you need? Council? Approval, You guys are the ones that are implementing all these programs. And then the letter is more like like So like when you are working on plans, they can refer to the letter and say, like, Oh, we got that also. Have a priorities Oh, yeah, so I think it's more like a question, for you must not like What's one? Something that you want the council to focus on. Then, once we give you all

[83:08] Well, this is putting me in an offering position, like I I'll need to speak to the entire staff on this, but I would say there is a place that I think is a really interesting convergence of several of our major climate team efforts and that is in this one in the sense that it's actually quite a new idea to take a nature based climate solution, and then I think that's a really exciting And also for us to really potentially move it at a regional level. Just like we were talking before this camera. Just be about it would be honest. we did. Up keep up with options in point 16 and it was a very interesting effort.

[84:01] We were very successful funded by certain statistics. We increased adoption by 400, because we went from 50 to 200, and you right running back. Our converting rates need to be like 1,500 or 2,000, right? and so, and and then we did go back to the on world calculation. So we were giving out what we thought to be a lot of money, like $600,000. Well, the actual cost of electrification of just the single family out of the molder is probably 500 million dollars. so it just sort of like. Oh, the scale of this! It's not something you've solved through a little incense program, solve it through a utility based infrastructure. so we can't do this alone unless we move the whole utility and the whole service territory. And so imagine the kind of carbonting that we could have if we apply our incredible policy resources to moving the Poc to move itself, to make this happen. That's literally millions of tons of carbon and tens of thousands of new jobs.

[85:02] Yeah, almost like you should be president. Yeah, So I mean, that's okay. No, I'm sorry all kidding, so I think really, because you know, they use this. This is the issue We are facing increasing key and increasing air quality problems. Especially so. I think that would be another thing to consider in the recommendations to say, Yeah, do this, but make sure you start with the people working especially as a template for how this can be done in other places. To make sure that. When you're moving this thing forward, it brings all so whatever. Oh, well.

[86:04] I I mean, I I think it'll be a great topic to talk to the Central Council, but you are the one in those all the I think you need, those, above it, so that we can if we write a letter that will be Us. so I don't know if we should take a different approach of the global. I agree, but maybe you can drop that. Hi. Then we can read it, maybe change it a bit. But just basically sign it because I think this topic is great, something that we can that we know behind it will be something good for simple council. But you are the one with the work on this. You know all the need to all the data, so I think it'll be more effective more. I'll better let you drop yeah, sweet, more transportation. But yeah, I have.

[87:06] Thank you. Thank you. Buildings. But I I would say, kind of a middle We could merge kind of what you think, what you're seeing from from city staff as priorities, and and we have any broad data on any of these topics. and then meeting one or 2 Oh, yeah, yeah, no. I This is just one idea of the things that this isn't the only one I would suggest. You think so. Yeah.

[88:01] The only thing I will say is, I think the last year the letter was by one page long, so like, I think, really those 3 topics that will be one page. so it depends like it's a good thing At last year, one page I think we've been able to string us to how much we can put any, because I mean I feel like this is planning those 3 concepts, for example, And then how they're gonna work together, if you want to do it right as a page right There, Let's keep brainstorming, though, I was just throwing out a first place. So Did you have another Those 3 topics by, and combining transportational electrification, and just in general transportation issues, by promoting public transportation and then electrifying that buses, in addition to maybe working with excel and we're working with excel for the phd to is vehicle to

[89:11] great technology services are huge batteries in buses, especially with with school buses that are part of a major portion of the day. you can bring a lot of resilience to the grid, but it is kind of a big financial. Ask at the current moment, so it might be a little bit a higher, wonderful left. but I think that you know, we just have the office. Oh, transport and

[90:09] Yeah, I'm like, Oh, it's like 2 h. But yeah, so I think if we could continue on on this trying to public transportation by electrifying bosses, Well, no question to us, Karl, though, because now that we have that connection, when that's like Rtb: stuff yeah.

[91:10] so I would just say Yeah, you know, that's an avenue by which to change, and that more system will change right by using the money in contact to the course you have. 1 s problem. There's so much around the world

[92:03] Like I don't think that compared to transportation, for an example. But it's that much of a computer. We have the ability to just the entire communities bracketing about. People are unhappy about that As a that are more specialized. Right? Yeah, we'll say that we're the time. Call, or you know, meeting conversation. But I think eventually they're not a big contributor to Greenhouse you know, like, Maybe landscaping is dominated by immigrants

[93:20] and I'm not gonna have to wait, or even the number of library like then rental equipment So all I'm saying then we will probably be asked to bring to you, so you can't probably say no alright. So, I think yeah, So So I want a couple of I don't know if they're going to be big an option included in our lever.

[94:12] But since we're talking about all the Ci just like That's something that you could maybe talk about. I think about quarter. 1, 2, 3, 4 in here. First. One is kind of going off of conferencing, but less for from that educational standpoint. But because of the compassing facility, plans And it's not coming to fruition. I was wondering if there's any kind of possible way to use our use. Our ownership of our open land States to build a conferencing facility It wouldn't be around residential areas for people to complain about smell or noise.

[95:05] that's an awesome However, if if we're very committed to open space and open and and environment, that having a conferencing facility is incredibly useful to preserving our natural spaces and contributing to reducing effects. lowering organ organizations from methane that goes to landfill and quarter with the county, learn, and actually now is a very boggle citizens organization that has many composting facility development So anywhere.

[96:05] Yeah, What What are their reasons? probably there's just a whole right. So the majority of the land that we own it's not inside the city boundary is open space land, and then that would be against the charter, so that would have to require charging. so I I even. There's a whole staff team of city and county staff working on this conferencing issue. The the sighting is just an absolute There's there's essentially no zone site. good stuff that. So what we've been working on by the way is in a different approach to decentralizing the convolution

[97:08] But they they don't include the, you know exactly, and there's growing questions who are even that they really. But there's so many things that are being sold in bio plastic. So I don't think that's a problem, Challenger that anybody wants to walk into right. Can I ask the question when you said there's currently no zoned properties in the county. Did you mean publicly owned property, or do you, even within privately owned property? Hi! Well, I'm sorry. I was thinking also about. We looked at. I think, even in terms of it, would have to go through some kind of a special Second view.

[98:05] Process with the county. Probably we have to be zone, and that process of going to that kind of thing is gonna set up this folding. okay. And also yes, alright. Is that group that you mentioned? Is, that is that a government group? No, it's that is working on it. Well, that's work on hold levels, I guess. okay. in addition, educated people on what goes I think similar, but a little bit different from the campaigns to educate people on the benefits of wind turbines, and how, not knowing that they actually are, we could do we could think about that kind of morning what kind of messaging you could use around all beneficial on this thing it's a

[99:20] part of plan. You're right. Yeah, I think Yeah, following up on that right as part of the location. I don't think we should have good single letter, but other than that I just saw this when I go to a store or a business and you know they have composable. Recitals. They don't know if this is any

[100:04] And got a picture from the other things much But you know that could be something that promote businesses when they put the labels. I I I think that what I'm hearing tonight is that we want to know our circular economy. Believe me, they're gonna have a lot change them. So I think. But what I would say, though, is, it's not in a place where I think you know really not what the solutions are

[101:09] a lot of it has to do with. I just feel like in general good. So so th this is like a little bit of a joint purpose discussion. One is like, Let's make sure we know what topics we want to have a conversation with you about. So this is clearly one that's got a lot. And actually, this team is also working on the purchasing procurement. So whether we can do all those same session I don't know, but that's that Yeah, I'm I'm pretty curious about that. I have. I have a little bit skeptical. I I don't.

[102:11] Want to. I mean coming from my wife, from Kansas. So you know, like, go there every month. Yeah, Then all the farmers and I know that other corporations are buying farmland. Be unable to buy carbon credits. So the the firmware has increased But then his company's already used the information. They don't buy these. So that makes it form hard you know. They could say They're real right. Those are. Those This is about buying products Tobacco, or like a body card. Then it like, There, there's concrete, alright.

[103:04] So like recycled product. okay, like, maybe there'll be like, Oh, my companies are I think also it would be interesting to is it would it be? Would it be possible? So feasible to have, like a carbon footprint or requirement for businesses to know, like the businesses, know what they're already using your year, and then no figure out.

[104:19] What are these most beneficial businesses. And I'm trying to remember but we don't see staff on a way really hard to measure. Yeah, that's another topic that probably could get put up here.

[105:00] It's consumption based account It's a whole broader set of ways of understanding, because you know just what energy news goes into something aspect. So there's a whole different plan, consumption. yeah, So yeah, So I'll tell you what, what's that's just tie up the conversation on the letter account So these are all very important. Ideas, about what other topics you might want to have on the discussion with you. This is not again a place where they're not done or known to get all in place for the. so what I've heard so far is interest in support of this piece, which has a lot of precursors into this one, actually 2, but maybe especially how we potentially get them together good that is there a proposal or recommendation around transportation.

[106:20] here wonderful. So I I think maybe I I heard brother like think Council should be focusing on identifying roles for the city and transportation with the special emphasis on ways that ties into public transportation possibilities talking a lot about Yeah, but again, this is not necessarily like well, and so, I wonder, with the extent of the that grouping that we sort of isolated over there.

[107:00] If we could just build the 2 topics, the electrification of transportation, and the whole big collaboration. and just really back, down, and focus and try and get specific recommendations in desk like background. I just really need but make sure the with the particular communication. I'm not sure like while we are recommendation, maybe one Well, there's money. I don't. I don't think it's gonna pay for all the

[108:04] like, not in part of the I think that's a little bit outside of, and I think it would be starting to council. Wants to talk to the school district about things that school district should do. we did so. I think the other thing is to think about again is this: This isn't necessarily new, but it's the configuration of doing it together. so just to call out for you what might be new feature.

[109:02] There with this one, and just listening for What's the ask of Council to to prioritize support for transportational application? and how would Council do that? Well, we can make sure that it's in our building codes to try to make sure that electrification. Do that, we go to our regional collaboration. that's what I was gonna say is that if we're writing that information application, it should not be. you see Wait Let's go around at other agencies that have access to a lot larger area.

[110:03] less carbon would product, produce, say, productive there. But that's current productive. I don't know. good Hmm! I don't know I don't know what the exactly correct word that I'm looking for is your phone. I think All people that I mean on the regional side. They have Channel would school district, so we could just encourage central people channels, all. Band Then they don't Right. Would you mind just saying out loud what you're riding up there? well, and I want to see this. Oh, reflex with the boards!

[111:06] interested in. So with the on the transportation side, I'd say use regional and statewide influence to push for a application or public transportation, and then emphasize the integrated strategy. yes, thank you. Okay, good work. Thank you. I I think, as you said, revenue is probably in the last couple of years, but I would also appreciate all about what topics you're that we talk about it's also possible I just want to give you this kind

[112:09] of heads up, that we may go to a slightly different staffing approach for Ab. In this coming year, where in certain topics, have maybe multiple months in them, And the staff associated with that work with the staff here, And I'm seeing 2 sessions maybe more, sessions maybe more This one. What I've said is, I don't think we know any yet around what the policy presentation is. continue to focus on optimizing and look to the future.

[113:11] So we'll Continue to focus achieving a circular founding and investigate I don't think, okay, yeah, yeah.

[114:18] So Mike, I need the second part of it, so I I just add a few things. To continue to focus on the development of a certain other cone, particularly around for Daniels and conference, and and investigate as Like this here with me. Safety language. Good morning, but you better make sure that

[115:30] One Okay, are we, we almost got a wrap here? 7 59. Look at that Nice? oh, because that's that's right. And I think that's good.

[116:03] I think what are we intending to continue with the hybrid format for our meeting? I think we might find a better I'm trying to Pam Camp so sorry, followed by gave you motion sickness with all the camera movement. Yes, so that we can Alright perfect. That's why to be a person. It's it was lovely to meet people. Yeah.