December 2, 2020 — Environmental Advisory Board Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:00] Alright, we are recording Justin, you're on mute. Bring up the agenda. Can cause me to order. Alright. So the first thing on our agenda is approve the minutes from our November meeting. And I second that.

[1:03] Thanks. All in favor. Do we need to vote on this or that's just means we've approve the minutes. What's your second. Did I always forget. Yeah. Great in there. Looks like we don't have any members of the public for public participation. So that really brings us to the only item on our agenda, which is trying to move the Our annual letter to Council towards completion. Thank you. Thanks everyone for your work on this. I'm Like maybe it's worth just talking about The high level rather than the details and then maybe we can get into the details. You know my I guess I'm not sure what tone. We want to strike because right now we sort of have a few different tones. I think in I think part of the question is, is this, are we telling Council what we think they should do or we, you know, I think it was framed us as sort of what's the boards priorities.

[2:20] For the next year, or what's the board excited about. Essentially, but I think a lot of our sections are more us telling council. Well, we think they should be prioritizing are doing over the next year. And I don't know that that's a bad thing, but I guess I just wanted to make sure we're talking about that first. And if that's the way we want to go or if You know, we want to try to bring it back to you know the board, working with staff to sort of do these things rather than directing this app Council so Folks have any thoughts on that. Well we're an advisory board right

[3:00] We are an advisory board, um, you know, When advisory board. Yeah, but Is often more in the city staff in the capsule. Right, we seem to have more success in being able to move action with the city. When we can propose topics and information that is actionable that we can work with the city to move towards a solution in something Does that Make sense. Yeah. Yeah, but I guess I don't see that as being contrary to advising. This is a letter to city council, not a letter to staff. So I right but city council has to approve. They have to be on board with us moving forward with these topics.

[4:00] Well, Yeah, and I think it also sort of gets up the level of detail know whether I mean you know i don't i Don't expect this way council with with this letter. Honestly, I'm. Fortunately, I think we are more likely to get things done by yeah when things are brought before us trying to shape them before they get to Council which work better in the past. And just maybe one point of clarification Miriam tears to your comment. Um, and sort of as Susan was implying as an advisory board to counsel. Your primary job is to Advise counsel on the on what they are considering. And so we have in a be in particular, tried to sort of stretch the boundaries, a little bit for The prerogatives of the board to to initiate topics but that's that's really kind of on a boundary, because usually you're more oriented or the Charter is designed for you to be more sort of responsive reactive to what's brought to you. So I think that

[5:15] Strategically what you might be wanting to do with these letters are To tell Council what you think they should be concerned about as a way of them sort of signaling to staff, hey, I want you to be working on these things so that it gives a be More cover to sort of work on those topics as opposed to saying the Council, we, we, as a be want to work on these topics you know i mean So, do we just have to always be a little bit cautious because technically you're really supposed to be just an advising body to them on things going before them. So perhaps, perhaps it would be helpful for Susan and maybe Marie to understand the history of AB and and where we were.

[6:07] A few years ago. And I think it'd be helpful to have my career as well to help describe this because Justin is actually newer Than all your money. Um, But the reality is there was a lot of frustration and Ed. I'd say three or four years ago where they didn't feel like they had any impact at all. And the only thing that was happening is that they will get information at the last minute and they will be allowed to review this information and give comment. But they didn't feel like they were having any impact and have an having no voice and the workings of city government and and so there's been a push over the last, I'd say three years to make a change in how we interact with city council and make our voices heard a little bit more

[7:09] In this letter. This has been kind of the, the stepping point for us to say this is what we're interested in. This is what we would like to work with the city on and so far we've been fairly successful in being allowed to do that. I think that's a great recap Miriam And Actually, to some extent because of EA be there has been conversation within council in the city manager's office about Thinking about how to empower the non The boards that aren't the planning commission. I can't remember the right term, but the boards that have like a literal jurisdictional duty but boards like Parks and Rec or a be how to give them a little bit more of an opportunity like that so

[8:09] So anyway, but back to the letter. And I think Justin, you did a really nice job. Since the original invitation from Council this year which frankly was, in my view, a little bit peculiar where I was asking you, like, Well, why don't you like this year and What didn't you like that. I've never seen. An invitation to the boards that was so sort of almost conversational as opposed to, you know, like, what do you think we should be working on. So Justin in your comments in paragraph four, I thought you did a very good job of saying, yeah, thanks for that that request and and we've formatted our response to a little bit More like this because we wanted to give you some feedback on things we think you should be concerned about. So I thought you did a really nice job there. But I did some of you might have seen I did make a few comments in the the letter. And I think it really would be Useful to figure out a common format for all five of the elements. The last three have a format where it's like, here's the statement. It's

[9:07] A little bit of the problem statement or the need or the issue. And then the recommendation. And I think that's a really effective way. Because then Council has a really sense of like, Okay, here's what they think we should be doing. And so Miriam for years that might be useful to develop like that recommendation section. Sure. One of the one other comment I had for years. Miriam was that Maybe to be a little bit more blunt about like, here's the problem that we see. Yeah I did start inserting Okay. Sorry, I didn't see that. No problem. And and I actually, I liked Susan's comments as well and And I don't know if it makes sense to I mean I can make some some small changes to incorporate some of the topics that you brought in, Susan. I just, I wanted to discuss that with the rest of the group before we got The version of the document. I'm looking at no longer includes the comments.

[10:03] Oh, you delete us Justin. I didn't touch on there, they're still in the thing I'm looking at to me. To change your view. I never know how I don't use Google Documents very much I've had a lot of trouble with Google Docs today not upholding showing all comments on other things too. So were what were they in So they were in my section. And the first one was the Susan, I said the city's transportation plan. I see you have a recommendation goal of Limiting vehicle us to 7000 Yes, all those comments around the version. I'm looking at All right, I reduce my screen. I see them now. Okay, cool. Um, so, so, Susan, you're asking, Should we consider recommending a similar goal to reduce driving Absolutely, I think, you know, we should put i mean putting metrics in there is a good idea, these, these are of course just suggestions. I'm not saying this is what you need to put on your website, but these are just some ideas at this point. Um, and I don't know if we need to.

[11:11] Make clear that these are just ideas. I don't know. Does anyone have suggestions as to Sort of gets back to this idea of what our goal is, is, you know, Yeah, you know, the way I see when talking to counsel at this level is The specifics You know the real detailed specific probably aren't that Holly don't need to be in there. Yeah. Um, you know, it seems like we are trying to tell counsel like these are sort of some of the big picture things that You know in in the past we framed it is that for sure I have fallen through the cracks, but I don't know that we can frame it that way because I don't think the franchise. We found through the cracks. We have to figure out How to sort of put the big frame on this, you know,

[12:05] Whether these are just, you know, what we think the city should prioritize over the coming years, or you know mixture of things that are, you know, the city has not traditionally worked at as well as some higher private, you know, high visibility high priority things Sure. And I think that we're doing that and and I think just in my section. There's a lot of action already. The city is is doing things that i i think we should just continue to move forward with but I mean I'm just trying to figure out what in I don't have an answer to this. But what we're At what level are we making recommendations to counsel on, you know, are we saying these are five topic areas that we think are important that you should, you know, you should direct staff to work on over the coming year. And we sort of stand ready to help. Yeah. Are we trying to say something else.

[13:00] No, I think that's a good direction to go first. Yeah, and and to whatever extent you can be specific about Where you think there are gaps deficiencies or problems associated with those that would be good to call out Specifically on the transportation piece if if if you want to include these, it would be Useful why we would want to go back to the transportation master plan because I know that there are some There are some they have some metrics. Yeah, I guess in in getting really specific, I am a little concerned about getting sort of Over the little because You know, Sure. No, I don't. I don't remember the transfer, it's been It's been a few years since I looked at the transportation I don't I don't think we should be super specific here and I would be perfectly happy to take out the suggestions and we'll just Go ahead.

[14:00] Well, from the work that you guys have stimulated already. I do think that you've identified a few gaps and one of them is The lack of any sort of contemporary consideration about wood stoves. Like, should we really still be allowing them at all, given what we know about our quality. I mean, I have one. I love mine. But I mean, really, should we be allowing that because you can still go down to You know, our guns and biased. Oh, that frankly isn't very efficient and put it in your house. So that's just That's not That's not a region. Isn't that regionally. What you can get them at their EPA certified. Right. Yeah. But I'm saying, like, I have an EPA certified And I'll tell you what it allows out of my chimney. I'm embarrassed by So there's that. So that's one whole area that nobody seems nobody really has jurisdiction over in RC. That's one problem of it. Yeah, the two cycle engines issue which we finally started to pay more attention to is another but the wildfire smoke management piece like we really don't have a plan around that we we

[15:00] Were just sort of sort of relying on the county and it's Miriam is kind of demonstrated like they're trying to catch up. But they really haven't yet so Yeah, and also just the data collection. Piece, I think is important. And a good role for the city. We did just have someone join us. Yeah. Dawson, a member of the public. Yes. Hi all member public Low Allison. I may be good to hear from you. Oh, look. What we passed our public participation, but I think we could go back to it. If there's something particular you want to talk about or if you're just here to reserve the meeting. Um, This is the first meeting. I've had a chance to sit in on a half a year. And I went, I'm going to take the opportunity just to sit in and listen. So thanks a lot, Justin. Nothing in particular just keeping an eye on my pals.

[16:06] Great. Well, welcome. Thanks. We're talking about our letter to counsel. For the year So Miriam. Does that feel like sufficient feedback for you to Condense that section a little bit and come up with some specific Recommendations. Yeah, certainly. There was one of the other comments, I had was with regard to fracking. And so the question I had for you. Miriam is You obviously know a lot more about air quality than I do, but it seems like the impacts. One of the terrible impacts of fracking is the impact on air quality and Given that we have something like 111 fracking. Fracking permits approved in Boulder County and the fact that the if the Commissioners. Don't send me the restrictions in place. Those are going to happen.

[17:01] So there, there is a very active. Group within Boulder County that I know that is very active and I'm trying to regulate oil and gas development as best as can be done. Through the state and and county government they give comment to the Commission, that's in charge of making these regulations and I'm not sure that there's a whole lot that the city of Boulder can actually do. Um, Yeah, in fact, I think before you join the board. We had somebody from the county talking about their body monitoring and you know they can really see it when the wind shifts and blows in from Weld County. Right. So I think a lot of these impacts are things we have to deal with. But you can't necessarily control. Unfortunately, well, County. But if you have the all of a sudden

[18:00] Hundreds of fracking operations right here in Boulder County and if boulder as the largest city in the county is not at least Proactively saying to the Commissioners, please stand firm on this. I mean granted. I'm an engineer, not a scientist and in engineering, we do in thereto analysis to see what things are having the biggest impact and I think if you looked at the impact of fracking relative to, say, wood burning stoves. And it's very different solution wood burning stoves are a particular problem and It's There, there might be There might be a grid, there might be a bridge here though which is That the county did this very groundbreaking thing where they set up more intensive monitoring at that reservoir site in order to be able to try to Capture those drilling impacts. But I think that they said marry me if I'm not wrong here that they said they don't really have that much information about how much of that drifts into boulder because of the fidelity of the equipment that's inside the city.

[19:18] Right. They will. They measure at the reservoir and they have held held that live. I keep getting his name wrong I'm Running all of the analyses and doing all the studies associated with the monitoring that's out there they you know they bring his studies, they've posted it it's available on the county's website for everyone to see. And It's, you know, the information that has been evaluated and developed today is available from the county's website on this topic, um, Yeah, but there is an imminent issue right now, which is the restrictions to fracking in Boulder County that are in front of the county commissioners.

[20:04] Are about to expire and if they expire, people will be able to move forward with those permits. And therefore, I think at least saying something to counsel about, hey, you need to support the county and continuing to ban fracking. In deference to the impact it has to air quality, to me, seems to be important. I'm not talking about the current situation and Weld County or the monitoring at Boulder reservoir, am I about an imminent situation right now. I understand and I don't know for sure that city council isn't addressing this. I don't know. Brett. Do you have any information about that. Well, Again, I think this might be a place where this could be one of the bullet points in their recommendations, depending on how the board. Chooses to approach the issue, but you could say we clearly. I mean, I think you're, you're, you've been saying in the piece that the way you frame. It's like we have problems we've got problems around particular it's already from wildfire. We've got problems around

[21:12] Ozone that that there are also other imminent threats potentially from oil and gas development and that if the board choose chose to say this to say something like, you know, we, we encourage you to Let the county know or represent our concerns about any further degradation of air quality caused by allowing more oil and gas development. Okay. We can that's consistent with what I would recommend Okay. Marty. I agree with that. I you know I think They are they are different issues, of course, between the environmental degradation from fracking and that related to fires and smoke related

[22:03] And again, I'm a little bit less concerned about the wood burning stoves, because that's a pretty small fraction of the population that uses those, but more generally, I think, are different categories of concerns. So I, you know, in this sense, I think I lean lean a little bit more on keeping them separate because they require separate solutions and separate considerations. So lumping them together. I don't think simplifies things. I think it complicates things Well, I think maybe what you're doing. Overall though it is bringing the Council, the awareness that we have a significant air quality issue. And then there's a variety of different potential factors in that I agree with that. And I'm just looking, I'm kind of typing this we're talking. I'm sorry I seem distracted by working on the drive and I really like You know what we have here on the air quality that Maria has started and it's been edited and and I'd like to wait separated calls out, you know, the action on ozone and then separately calls out actions on on the wildfire.

[23:08] And so I like the way that is segregated in the documents so far. And so that that's what I'm speaking to. I like the way we are laying it out in the document. Related to ozone is oil and gas development. And so we, I think that we can we can put that statement in that section. So, Already have it there. I mean it's it's in the first preambles paragraph under air quality. Yeah. We're just from a formatting perspective what might work. Well, if we wanted to leave the last three sections fairly similar to how they're structured Is Miriam, if you were to build if you would make the interest introduction section a little longer, and then make the recommendations section. These topical is like there's a recommendation section around ozone or recommendation section around, you know, etc, etc. So, yeah.

[24:08] Do you want me to work on that. Now while we're talking Well, if you are so adept in that way. Justin, you're on mute. Sorry, I mean I guess I don't think you have to like Brett said, but if you're able to great. If not, I think we have a few days to finalize this Okay, I'm gonna give myself a note, though, to stick on it. Okay. Just a few days. I thought this wasn't to be presented until January. Yeah, you're supposed to go to them in a week or so. I don't remember the exact date. I can look it up. But yeah, presented Through 12 Here we go. I'm 11th and 12th of December or January. Know, well they wanted a month, about a month ahead, Susan, and then they it isn't presented until January.

[25:02] December 18 is when it's due to cancel no later than It does say please limit to approximately two pages. So that's something I've been trying to be cognizant of Our instructions. You're doing a great job. Yeah, I'm working away on the words. Hey, I got a quick question for Miriam just just for my own understanding. Help me understand what is, what is the Denver CP CB PhD. Examples that we are encouraging the city to participate in Maybe everyone else understands. I'm a little bit dark on it. So CD Ph. D. I'm not okay. Do we can hear. Colorado Department of Public Health and environment and has a lot of information on their website about Things that people can do

[26:02] To address the ozone problem. There's a whole group a whole Area that's focused on the ozone problem at City kg. And part of what they try to work on. And I think this is also part of, I think, the rack or the The regional group is actually also working on this, but they The simple the simple steps for better areas actually a CDP key. Sort of website that it takes you straight to that. I'm going to click to it tell you where it goes. To Justin, maybe you can hyperlink this. Yeah. So I Was reading it. They could just go educate themselves if they wanted to. That's all I want to go to thank. Thanks, Susan. That's it. That's it. I want to be clear here that we agree on this, it sounds like. I mean, I really like what she laid out there as a template program which comes from the love my era, what can we do, and you cut and pasted a couple of bullets. It's really simple. It's clear.

[27:14] I really like that. I just added language a little bit here that I say the free, for instance, to Denver love my air. What can you do is a template for program, we recommend Is that Fair to say, let's just be affirmative if we agree on that. Let's just say we recommend and here it is here, the best practices that this program lays out. Well, I think the group is Suggesting that I get rid of the bullets there. Oh, I liked it. I liked it. Simple to absorb then the message is a quick take home, take on. They don't have to go to a link and follow along to hear this how simple this is Right, but I understand. But what Justin is suggested is that we present the problem and present a recommendation as, as opposed to providing the solution.

[28:01] I think that's right, Marty. I think it gets the Council off into the weeds a little bit. If we go too far. That way. What I am wondering Miriam just To be clear, do you think the city should be standing up a website or a part of a website like the one that Denver has done is that the recommendation. Yes. Okay. Yeah. So I think being really clear about that. And that's where I think you know in your presentations and stuff. You basically said look I've been to the places that we would think to go as a citizen here and I don't get access to the information that we need That's the kind of problem statement. I think we should have in there. And therefore, I would recommend that we recommend that you stand up something like this within the city's website structure or what have you. It sounds. Yeah. I'm fine with that. If for brevity sake, getting the link but but certainly making the clear statement that we recommend Yeah. And also, I added and I didn't know I want to make sure I'm that overreaching Miriam and the rest of the board things in in the sentence that follows your list.

[29:09] I checked a little bit today. Yay. Be believes that the city will have a significant impact on improving citizen health and resilience By encouraging the community exercise these simple practices. In other words, we recognize there's low hanging fruit here. And we think you'll have a positive effect on your community and the citizens of the Community, if you do simple things. So I just think that language to be a firmer Tori. If you I think I think we've given Miriam, a lot of feedback. I had one other start and read No, no. Go ahead, Susan. Okay, because one of the things that you impressed upon me Miriam in the presentation that you did on air quality was just like letting people know what the air quality was on any given day was so important and so I went to the city website just kind of see where those show up and

[30:06] I find them really anyway. Don't know. Would be either, you know, at a minimum, on the boulder measures page but ideally on the homepage right next to weather is where it ought to be. Right and and in reality season. reflected here. Brett has allowed me to do the presentation to the city staff and he's allowed me to give the presentation to county as well. And I think there is there is action happening. Because of that presentation but but i think it doesn't hurt to make sure that you deliver that message, all the way to the top two Okay. Yeah, I could. I think the data stuff is probably one of them. I mean, it seems like one of the easiest things for the city itself to do. I mean, Getting fracking emissions under control or, you know, we're not going to stop wildfires is a city, but they can at least get good data and I mean the Denver program of having monitoring in schools just seems so elegant to me.

[31:11] Oh, it's Where you're using. Yes. It's not a lot of money and it's easy and you know Getting kids involved in, you're dealing with these high risk, YOU KNOW, PARTNER communities. So, I mean, I just think something like that seems like it should be a no brainer for the city. Like Marty said, kind of a low hanging fruit. Yeah. You think so. I mean, are those purple. Everything is a couple hundred bucks each. Yeah, he County isn't like them. As we discussed. I mean, the technology is gone beyond their concerns like they can't really control. I've realized since then that like some friends of mine who live in the barrier, have them so Tons of people out Yeah.

[32:00] I know. I mean, you see more and more in the City after this summer. Yep. Alright, so let's go to the next section around The settlement agreement. And Susan. I'm sorry for just cutting it. So much. I didn't really have time to take a stab at, like, what the hell you just like cut. Oh, yeah. I didn't have time To take a scalpel to it. I'm So if it's not a reflection of your work. It was more just saying, like, this is what I think. It was just way more detail than we can have in a way to counsel and still expecting to read it. So I think maybe what I understand that, I guess, let me um So as a part of doing this. I got deep down into the weeds on the energy partnership agreement, which is part of the settlement agreement. I'll have to say that I was pretty astounded at how Lucy, Lucy.

[33:07] And non quantitative. It was and like somebody came up with a list of things we might be able to do there are criteria established, but there's no nothing. Quantitative relative to the criteria and I, I'm totally willing to take this to more of a top level method, but I Do believe that reminding them that the way we produce electricity is that by far the number one contributor to our greenhouse gas emissions. And that number two if we're going to electrify more both our transportation and our building systems that sourcing that electrification with dirty electricity is only going to make the problem worse just means

[34:00] They got to be super serious about this energy partnership agreement and from what I could see in digesting it it's Something written by XL. Well, A couple of Benefit of Boulder. A couple of things Susan's so what one, just in terms of format. Well, I would look at Section three the section that was written on Regenerative ecosystems or Section five Marty's piece either of those as a kind of structure and length to be trying to work towards. So that's one. The second thing is just on the on the Dynamics of the settlement. And I think it's also important to remember in context that that settlement is in relationship to also what the state. Laws. Now say the utility has to achieve in terms of decarbonisation which by the way their

[35:00] Emissions goals are actually more ambitious now than the cities are which is part of why we're going to be going through this updating of our own internal ones so So there's there's a variety of interrelated elements, besides just what's in that agreement that affect what the potential outcomes are Yeah, I Think I'm pretty well versed in that actually Brett and I, which is why I Would want to leave a section in there on encouraging them to stay apprised of state legislation which could impact the way we implement the energy partnership agreement. But the fact remains as even stated in the energy partner ship agreement that We had some community goals, one of those community goals. It was that we would get to 100% renewable energy by 2030 are we changing that goal. If so, Somebody needs to be explicit about that. We said we were going to have 100 megawatts of local generation by 2030 are we changing that goal. Well, if somebody needs to be explicit about that. And if not,

[36:10] We really need to put projects in place that supplement what XL is doing to get us to those goals and the projects that are identified right now and attachments. A and B to the to the partnership agreement. Aren't quantified enough to get us there, and that's I mean, I agree with everything you just said, honestly. You know, I guess what I tried to do is sort of break it down to the to the high level. I mean, I'm willing to give the city. The benefit of the doubt because this is one month old, you know, is it a franchise agreement has yet to take effect. So personally, but so I guess I've tried to break it down to sort of the high level saying, you know, this is the new world. I didn't think you broke it down. I thought you just crushed it all out.

[37:01] Well, I mean, I tried to change the I, I only spend time on the first paragraph honestly and everything else i i mean i think that level of detail is helpful to getting if not it's to detail for this one or Yeah, I'm cool with making it less detailed I am cool with putting it more in the same kind of framework, as Mike and Mark Marty did and Miriam's working towards. But I guess I would When I looked at everything crossed out. I was just like, God, am I not on the same page as the rest of the board here. Well, I mean, I think in some ways I mean we're not gonna have time to talk through this level of detail is whether we all agree that this is the right path for the city in terms of deliverables and action items. You know, honestly. So what I've tried to do and say, you know, there's this new franchise agreement, but the city still has, you know, the hundred percent renewable goal, the local generation goal if there's other carbon goals that we know you know that are important to me.

[38:05] And you know, we think it's important that the city work to You know, as it puts this in place to develop strategies and, you know, concrete plans and energy supply that is putting us on a path to meet all these commitments, so I guess that's what I was trying to change it to say, And you may want more detail than that, but I don't know that more detail than that, it's helpful and I don't know that we could all agree on the specifics, honestly. Everything can be Taken straight out of the energy partnership agreement. I didn't make them up. I'M NOT SAYING YOU MADE THEM UP, BUT I GUESS I JUST LIKE I can't, I don't think we can expect Council. To You know, I just think it's way too detailed. I agree. For this letter. So I'm not saying you're right, not

[39:01] Argue that Sounds kind of Crossing the whole thing out to Do I think and I think that I think what we're saying is there's there's time and space to bring key elements back in and so I think, Susan, if you're open to it to take another turn on that section and i i think that everything I've heard you say so far about hey Council, we as a community have already passed these specific objectives, we need to see how there is some kind of clear quantified. Pathway to achieving them as a part of this settlement, like those are the kinds of things that I think we should absolutely call out if the board is in agreement about that. Yeah, and that's, I guess that's what I was trying to do to focus it on those, you know, what are the high level things that that try it, you know, similar to what we talked about with marriage or the high level things that we think the city needs to prioritize as it

[40:00] puts this you know i mean the style as it implements the settlement agreement over the coming year in But without You know, including table, you know, I'm assuming, the Council has read the settlement agreement and knows what's in it. I don't think we need to tell them again. So I think we've got agreement on the level I don't make that same assumption, given the fact that when I read it, it was so poorly formatted even those tables or spread over like 15 pages with one column on each page is unreadable. But so i i would like the opportunity to redo this With Your comments in in mind I I would like some insight. I mean, is there discussion in the city fret about changing these community goals. Yes, well, updating, for sure. So the staff is in the midst right now of laying out a process to review and update

[41:04] Our climate goals, partly because as we noted, they are out of date to the even the state's efforts. And so we've been in a bit of a Spin around this around how to do that in a way that has the kind of community engagement that we would like to have while we're still in the coven Period of time. And yet, knowing we need to get something out there. So we're we're currently on Council's agenda and I'm glad you brought this up so I was going to mention this later. Anyway, we're currently on Council's agenda to do a presentation on the climate action plan and our updated goals in May. So there will be so we're, we're in the midst of starting to outline a document a community climate action plan document that we hope to have out by For initial review and he will be one of the first places that we bring it probably sometime in later February, so that's a place where we'll start to talk about

[42:01] In addition, among other things, updating our goals and targets. Okay. Well, a couple of things to note, I guess, the fact that our community goals are more stringent than the state level goals. I don't Think that's a problem if they were less that would be a problem but No, they are left actually Done carbon, they're less right now. They are Yeah. Hmm, I have to Not on the renewed the renewable one that you've pointed out, I think, are the ones that are inconsistent with The franchise agreement, but You know, the carbon pieces. The state. Know, It was a waste of the electric sector. Were 80% by 2050 I think the state's 80% by 2045 Mm hmm. So, um, well, the second point I wanted to make was in the energy partnership agreement, there's discussion about bridging the gap between excels be five to 70% renewable energy and the community goal of 100% so it's already in the language, um,

[43:07] I guess I just want to emphasize to counsel that we need to Really implement this agreement in such a way that the advisory board gets put in place, which includes community membership and that, in particular those I just got to tell you those lists of projects were like somebody made up over their lunch hour while they were eating a sandwich. They're like, there's nothing Like they weren't prioritized in any particular way is just kind of a laundry list and things like alpine balsam don't even make it into Attachment A which are the things they're going to implement in the next five years. Yeah, I mean again remembering the whole process of putting together that proposal happened really fast. Yes, and that's part of the reason a lot of people

[44:00] Wanted to get it on the Ballot well They weren't the only one that did. So anyway, but that's so when so totally agree. And I think that the feedback to counsel about like, okay, so now that we're going this way. What's the sort of systematic structured process that make sure we're going to get where we say we want to go. It's just a comment here and everybody. Appreciate Susan. What's your dad, I, I would have benefited, and I still will benefit if you can give us a presentation of your understanding of this because you clearly understand it and you've taken a lot of time and effort. And so this as everyone else is saying is, is a bit much to feed in our annual letter, but it's really a lot for us that we need to understand better on the board so Hopefully we'll be able to get come back to this Susan and absorb what you've learned and I'll learn hopefully from what you've got. What I get a sense of, and correct me if I'm wrong. And I just, I'm gonna I'm playing with your sex me here a little bit, as we're talking

[45:00] Is you're actually and I like I think where you're going. If I understand this, right, you're actually asking and advocating that the city go beyond the XL settlement agreement that has always been to a BS view that we would achieve full renewable Because we feel that unless you do go to that will always fall short of sustainability. And we are concerned at the settlement agreement leaves a short of the EA be priority that's always been part of the AB parties, I understand it. To be a fully sustainable a green community and and so we don't want to back off from that and we want to recommend to the city that they go beyond the Excel settlement agreement is that kind of where you're going. Well, you know, actually. So the settlement agreement and it has several parts. First of all, the settlement agreement is the franchise agreement. And then it's the partnership agreement and the partnership agreement really details how things are going to go going forward and Supposedly, how we're going to bridge the gap between what we're going to get from Excel and what the Community's goals are.

[46:05] It's just that there is it's so sketchy. And as Brett, said I, you know, I know. It was written very quickly. Um, and, yeah. So what I'm hoping that we will advocate for is taking this sketchy document and putting some meat on the skeleton there basically Yeah, I'm totally down with redoing this section and making it more consistent with the other sections, but I guess I need to know if the board agrees with that. Yeah, I think. Let me just come back to my point. Real quick, and I'll let Justin, follow me up here. I mean, I agree that are the EA be at least my sense of my view of what he should be advocating for is a sustainable community in terms of our energy needs to energy uses and and we believe that the settlement agreement as now.

[47:01] consummated brings us a bit short of what our goals have been our vision had been let's put it that way. And so this is why I want to come back and say, do we agree as an ab to encourage to recommend to the city that they look even beyond the settlement agreement milestones that they have for reduction in emissions and so forth and renewable productions that they they seek higher goals that we've always had And that and also they should be aware that he had been paying attention and that EA be is holding the city to a high standard. And that we don't believe that the standard being lowered, if we think it's been lowered much, I think this is your point by the settlement agreement that they can get off the hook on that, that we as maybe are going to hold on to a higher standard. And Again, that partnership agreement does make reference to our higher standard. It just doesn't give a lot of confidence that there are real plans and projects in place to get there.

[48:07] Okay, so let me stop you there. So how can you articulate that succinctly and maybe even recommend a plan or something, I don't know if we're able to do that. So, in such short notice a bridge to making that achievable. Yeah. So yeah, that's what I was trying to do and saying, look, Here's the criteria that are laid out there. And for instance, I can take those criteria out of there. But most of those criteria are pretty quantitative And none of that quantitative analysis has been applied to any of the 15 or 20 projects that they said oh We could do we could do in the next five years. And we all know we're not going to do 15 or 20 projects in the next five years. If we could do two or three projects. That would be awesome. Right. And so then it becomes really important to pick the two or three projects with the highest impact and make sure that we pick those

[49:01] Based on some quantitative analysis and the criteria that they've laid out. So I'm not so much suggesting that the partnership agreement is inadequate in its I'm Defining the gap. It's inadequate in its really identifying which projects will fill that gap and putting due dates and dollars and timelines in place to get there. It's just super sketch. And so that's that's what I would like to say to counsel, I Think if we can just catch an awareness that there's this challenge. The city has an EB would be happy to work with a city to identify those Low hanging fruit two or three best activities that can make achieve the goals in the 2021. I mean, this is going to be a long term thing and interests of 2021 situation but Bring it out. Now is a great calling card to hey yeah be is ready, willing and we're standing here to help. Here's you know we're aware of a challenge. The city has

[50:06] We don't have firm recommendations, maybe this point is premature, we have to study the matter more And and we want to be engaged with the city going forward that might be adequate, that could be two paragraphs, but it shows the city that we are on board. We are paying attention. We want to be there as a resource for the city. We want to work and have a dialogue with them. That'd be it would Be my, my suggestion. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, my suggestion would be i mean you know settlement agreements in general are sort of high level frameworks and the rubber meets the road as you implement them. I mean. So my suggestion would be that we just recommend the city, you know, As it implements the settlement agreement to ensure that the city is meeting. It's, you know, filling this gap between the renewable energy and the settlement agreement and excels goals and the city's goals that it is

[51:01] You know, I guess I don't want, I think it's fine to say that it's based on metrics. But, you know, often I guess I'm more concerned that this city's implementing it in a transparent way with a lot of with adequate community input. And yeah, which is another point that I made in there that That hasn't exactly been a part of the process. So far so Yeah, but yeah. So, you know, I mean, I think if we can make those like couple points, you know, that would be great. And that's something that I would certainly support. Great, I'll do that. Great. Things coming tomorrow. I'm not as good as Miriam. I don't think I can. Yeah, I can only do one thing at a time talker right personally So one last thing I'd like to offer in this particular topic area and I think it would be fruitful. And I think actually the. The board will probably have a chance to

[52:05] Engage with staff around the settlement agreement because I assume as we start to move this thing forward. There's going to be a lot of things that you know we really want to consult with the community about. So I'll ask Our team about what they think that That engagement process might look like to see whether or not we want to try to have a session just ourselves about that or whether they're actually might be an opportunity to engage staff with that too. So that's one and the second is I really want to encourage you, if you haven't had a chance to to look at the memo that we wrote for Council last summer. So July of 2019 I've just sent that out to everybody. It is the effort to really summarize. I think about 20 years of Climate Action experience and perspective from the staffs perspective, at least, and how what we've learned will might shape.

[53:03] A sort of new somewhat new direction to climate action and one of those elements of that new direction, particularly as we now recognize that we are in a climate emergency that we may have a decade or less to make absolutely astounding course changes as a species. Is that the old template and sort of model in which we thought, you know, sort of the city on the hill if if boulder. And, you know, a few other places can just show how they can get to 100% renewables, then we'll show that it's possible, and everybody else will follow that path. That's actually in the experience that we have in in the research that we've done and others have done. It's not, that's not how change is happening. It won't happen that way. It certainly won't happen that way in the timeframe. That we need to have change and that so the systemic levels of change that we need to create are going to need to be approached in

[54:03] Additional ways and so that memo goes through trying to lay out some of that reasoning. So I just invite you to to look at that, because I think it affects, to some extent, how we're thinking internally, a staff about where we should be prioritizing What what targets and metrics are most important to measure, etc. Okay, cool. I'll take a look at that. So let's go down to number three. And this is Marty's Concisely done, Marty. Good job. Less is more. It took me much more time to write a lesser amount You saw my one suggestion there of maybe replacing for us for timber timber for for Yeah, I got it. I'm good with that force. timbers good timbers good

[55:03] Now I'm totally i mean it's it's an obvious item, given what's happened in the last year, the last two years that matter. So, um, I think this is this is the time for us to step up and say, Hey, you know, we were maybe lucky. We've dodged a bullet in Boulder. There's no guarantee if I just this little doubt that we're going to eventually be in the crosshairs of the next fire. It's just a matter of time. And so, um, we better get ourselves ready, rather than be proactive rather than reactive reactive. It's just going to be horrible to proactive is where we want to be. That's what, that's what this is about. You know, Can use this. I guess this is something this is in an area that I know a lot about, I guess I'm just wondering, you know, I assume the city and Open space and mountain parks spends a lot of time and effort on this bread, and I guess I'm just wondering what you know, are there things we can, we could point to in this letter that the city is doing. I guess I just want to make sure we're not

[56:09] Yeah, you know, I assume this is one area that there is some focus in the city is not totally lost. No it's, it's very true. I think the thing that One of the, one of the specific places that I think about in this context is in the wild and urban interface on the western edge of the city. And the enormous challenge that the fire department faces with a lot of people who live in that area who have very specific aesthetic. Preferences that don't necessarily align with the sort of vegetation management that we ought to be doing in order to make sure that those areas. Don't go up, you know, as a flash terrible forest fire when you know fires on the boundaries and and so You know, I guess. I don't know if there's a recommendation in here about

[57:05] Considering more prescriptive requirements for vegetation management on that western edge of the Community. But I think that would be one thing to potentially consider because shouldn't really be within the prerogative of private landowners to maintain vegetation and conditions that essentially endanger a larger portion of the community than just their property. Yeah. It's like immunization. Ya know, it's very much like immunity. Yeah. A hot topic these days. So I think there's that. And I think there's also just, you know, where does the city prioritize budget expenditures And how much are we putting towards vegetation management and green infrastructure development that I mean another good example would be, sometimes it's just terrifying to me if you walk in along some of the

[58:08] Ditches the green ways that run through town. There's they're fantastic right there, the sort of wild. Green ribbons that go through our community, but nobody manages them. In fact, half the time. You don't even know who's responsible for managing those areas like we don't even know, half the time. I mean, we sort of do but there's crossing jurisdictions. And so as a consequence, you'll get areas, especially late summer that are like waist high and grass. And if you had a fire that blew into the west side of the community and you got into one of those corridors, you could have a fire, just like in Sonoma that just raced down into the middle of town. So we do need to be thinking about how we're managing landscapes in a much more extensive way given some of the changes that are coming So so specifically calling out. I'm sorry. Mike's not here because he's on the green ways committee, but I think the green ways are especially important and an area of some ambiguity right now that

[59:04] I think more attention probably ought to be paid to because they have a significant benefit and effect on a lot of things bio diversity. Urban heat but also these fire risks. So those are two specific areas that I thought I think about Marty. When I think about this area. Yeah, great. Yeah, thanks. That's helpful. Yep. I think on the soils and sequestration. I mean, I think I speak a little bit for Mike here because we've talked about this in a while. I think you did a great job. Calling out specifically an issue which is the 2000 acres of area that's the greater or and I think just continuing to make Council aware that people are concerned about and watching this area and view it as as important What What isn't said there here that could be said is that

[60:00] This that that the sequence duration potentials of Land Management here could be relatively significant and make us a substantive contribution to our overall climate objectives. It's sort of implied. It isn't really called out so specifically I would say one of the things we are. I want to see us do as staff is to start quantifying what those missions are those carbon capture potentials are so that we have some sense of the scale of that and and maybe calling out the need for or the Value of knowing what the potential of this as a as a climate action would be could be useful. It just sort of provides more direction staff, like, yeah, you shouldn't do that please get that done. Yeah, I think it would really good job, something like that. Brett. And in, in particular, moving more towards a discussion of where we're like balancing our carbon emissions with our carbon sequestration our

[61:04] Right says for regenerative and not just net zero yeah like changing the mindset. So that is important and we can do that here. Yeah, yeah. So, um, I don't want to wordsmith this for you, but I would welcome that. Just to note Yeah, I was gonna make us NY calm and I agree. I think trying to tie back to check that through through a comment in maybe we can see if my can Do that, or one of us could take them. I'm Susan. I'm also just noticing your comment about biofilm. That maybe you and Marty could work to figure out a weave that into the regenerative ecosystems piece because I was really encouraged to see the response we got from planning about the biofilm piece. Yeah, I had, I made that comment in the context of urban he islands. Um, but I suppose it could go either place.

[62:02] Yeah, no. Chance and just in terms of creating a more regenerative atmosphere. Every time I drive down 30th Street and see the apartment buildings out to the sidewalk, I think. God Now, where's certainly not making That carbon cycle. Right, I already in that neighborhood. I thought that was a good point you raised, you know, in the recommendation on the urban heat island of Mike Section five, he and I've just been word smithing a little bit here. Specifically, again, specifically the city. Invest in formulating a decade old scale urban heat island plan in you could follow that with an example like you just mentioned about feel it could be one element center plan. And maybe you can add that sentence or two there. Yeah, I think you're right. I think that Susan, it should probably On ago in the heat island area, but I would, I think, introducing that term somewhere in your recommendations is a really good idea.

[63:06] I actually Forwarded that email summary that I did for y'all to Sarah silver on the planning board Sarah's an acquaintance of mine and just asked her if planning board was considering any kinds of Urban Planning environmental considerations beyond say our green building code, which is now like 30 years old. Right. Um, but I haven't heard back from her yet. I just did that yesterday, I think. Well, Susan, thank you for doing that. I think that's a really, it's an interesting point of intersection with the planning board. We had this point of intersection. A few years ago and it was actually in the in the era that Miriam was referring to where we had a board member who was particularly frustrated about a BS. Role or lack thereof it and so he initiated some really interesting engagement between a, b, and the planning board around energy stuff. And so, but this is another theme or topic where there could be some interesting, interesting intersections

[64:09] So I'm getting more and more excited about your letter, the more we talk about. I just think it's fantastic that you've captured some really, really fun and interesting topics here. And I love that I kind of love that you you're you're you're charting your own course here. It's not like, well, we really liked this, and we didn't like this with like, no, we have some specific things to suggest to I have a question for the board. So, you know, as I sent that letter to planning board. I wondered there. There are so many other boards that our interests intersect with like transportation advisory board and planning board and the water resources board. Do we make any attempt to sort of cross pollinate with with other boards to say, oh, like maybe one of us is always going to go to the transportation board meeting or something like that so that

[65:16] You Are fostering that intersection ality So since I guess since I've been on the ad. There was one instance where I just right when I started, there was a topic. I'm sort of the ecosystems piece of the cloud plan that really touched a lot of boards and we worked convene essentially a meeting with representatives from Rob transportation, I want to say open space them out in parks. I don't know if I'm missing any other Planning. Planning was there too. Yeah, so I think we you know we have to try to foster some of that because, you know, and we don't have, you know, he doesn't have sort of specific regulatory Areas. But also, you know, the environment touches everything, essentially, and all these other boards. So I guess we haven't tried to do it in a way that's maybe as

[66:10] It's been more ad hoc than what you just brought up in a I mean might be interesting to talk about if there were sort of specific boards and folks have the capacity and interest to Sort of be tracking them there, you know, monthly or weekly activities in more detail and reporting back that's could be interesting to talk about it. I don't think we haven't done that since I've been around, but You know, I felt like this sort of cross board meeting on this particular topic was really interesting in a great way to sort of meet some of the other Members of the other boards and you can get their perspective on something and feel like if there are other areas to be worth pursuing again. Yeah, I actually have a contact it and transportation advisory board that I talked to frequently. And so we compare notes fairly frequently but but we haven't interacted specifically I'm a boy perspective.

[67:04] Yeah, so it is within the history of EA be to be a convener like that. And so we did that must have been two years ago, I think we yell. Oh, nice. Rate 18 or 19 on the ecosystems topic, and then two years before that we had done it on the, the last round of our climate action plans and we can beat all the boards. So, and it's always been super fun and interesting like Justin said so and I think Thinking about the fact that we're trying to go to counsel in May, with this new version of the Climate Action Plan. Maybe there is a chance for us to think about trying to convene a joint board meeting, maybe in March or April. You know this coven context makes it so much more Interesting. I guess you would say in a diplomatic way. Part of what was really fun about these meetings was that you know you had the chance to sit down at tables with the other board members and get to talk to them a little bit

[68:00] So, but, but know that that said I think Susan's a good idea. And let me start Heidi, maybe we can put in the notes that the board wants to explore the possibility of of convening with some of the other boards on related topics and I can use that as a prompted to start looking into that. Yeah, or even, you know, part of the advantage to the coven world is you can sit in on other meetings, while you're doing other things. Right. So if Miriam is in tune with the transportation advisory board. And I'm interested in planning board or whatever. Maybe the advisory board for the Settlement Agreement, that's something I'm very interested in, like, just monitoring those meetings to see if there's anything to report back I think might be a good service to the community because there's a there's a lot of yes I just note. So there's sort of two ways you least two major ways you could go with this one is just sort of like ongoing generally liaison interaction and the other is more topical.

[69:06] Okay, so, yeah. Yeah, it can be worth talking about. And, you know, Folks have interest in bandwidth and You know, I would certainly find it helpful for somebody can tell me, give me more detail about what's going on other boys, because I don't you just, you know, yeah, often with small kids. It's hard to find the time to try Yeah, that that's where my suggestion probably would be, I mean it certainly everybody's you could go sit on those board means anytime you want. Obviously as a citizen, but If that we might want to think about their if one of these topics that the this board has said that it's wants to sort of be deeply or more deeply engaged in like urban heat island effect. That topic, for example, is going to cross transportation, it's going to cross Parks and Rec. It's going to cross utilities. So there's some really fertile potential engagement there in that so anyway.

[70:06] So, where, where are we at now. Where are we did the last one we just went to for Any, any comments on or do we finished the comments on Marty's number three we under for For we said it would be great if somebody could add some some language that really Yeah, but a comment into mike on the trying to bring carbon and on for a little including the sequence duration capacity. Okay, our soils. Um, so I feel like we sort of wrap that one up and move down to five, a little with his discussion of Biophilia design. Yeah. And how it crosses over between a few of these topics. Yeah. I'm The one thing I I don't know about including IN THIS ONE IS I'M NOT SURE WE'RE STILL inactive discussions with Paul Chanelle ski about the

[71:00] heat island assessment. That would probably give counsel, a sense of more going on and is currently So, Might want to pull that part out. But I do think that that second sentence Cabo fields is important. You might want to say the AB feels that it would be important to develop some kind of heat island assessment. And would be would would like to be engaged in helping You know, think that through or develop that or what have you.

[72:15] Anybody else have other comments on number five. Just Real quick. Sorry, go ahead by Got not I liked it, actually, to the recommendation I just tinker, the language. I I've never been especially when you're recommending I don't like to shirts and recommends If we're going to recommend we say the city will continue to invest. You know it. Recommendation is already a should have a sort. So I just say be a little bit more proactive. What we how we stayed that so everyone you know the city continues to invest in development plan for the urban heat island. Specifically, the city invests in formulating a decade will scale or but he bounced plan to just a little bit more assertive language. Yeah, and so it continues accurate.

[73:00] I mean, Danny is really invested in any of this. Yeah, we get the benefit of the doubt. Yeah, we kind of need us. And, you know, the only thing that's really missing here is The important In your section that you've been calling out Marty between urban heat and air quality and and climate change. So I am i would love you to somehow weave that into this piece because i think it's it's really easy to think about urban here and you know air quality there. But what's really going to be frightening is when they start to intersect. Yeah, there's almost no doubt that there'll be compound events when they do a flare. I Right. Yeah, the other topic. I think we talked about it briefly at a previous meeting, but kind of as a zoom out from this into the overview. Like, what are we missing one of the things that crosses

[74:06] Urban and air quality and carbon sequestration is the situation with our tree canopy. Y'all remember the statistics. Last time I read them was about a year ago, but it seems to me we were we were replacing our tree canopy at a rate that was like 20 times less than we were losing our tree canopy and with all the damage that we had this spring, it only exacerbated That really don't talk about that as a solution anywhere in this document. So the city. Is in the city, a couple years back was working very or at least did a had a report done on that. And I know Brett You forwarded a video that was done by the arborist. And there was a whole promotion about tree planting for the city and actually Brent. I don't know where that went.

[75:02] You know, I think that this is a really good point citizens, making Yeah, that In another whole effort. I'm trying to work. I'm working with a series of organizations around trying to launch a national campaign to Rapid dramatically scale up urban for us as a as a both employment and climate change and. And part of the issue is that cities don't have the capacity to even maintain what we've got. So I think that calling that out in in probably in the section that the vital role that urban forests play in urban heat island management and the need to Expand Our Efforts to counter both the insect disease loss and these extreme event losses. Yeah, we have losses from those storms this you are huge. Yeah, so I don't know exactly where it belongs, but I feel like it's it's one of those um

[76:02] What Rocky Mountain Institute calls it a solution multiplier right it's one thing you do that impacts. A lot of the areas that we're talking about. So it seems like it belongs here somewhere. Well, it could also go in number three. So you could you could even call it out in both. So it's, it's, I mean, I think, Marty, you are probably thinking about more of the wildland for us than the urban forest when you mentioned for us loss. I did, yes. But, uh, but it's true. In both cases. So, but I think that the the connection between urban forests and urban heater are really clear and that would might be a really good place to call it out. I think I honestly think it's probably a good idea to put it there, rather than to try to call it out separately. Just because if you call it out separately. Then, then the counts might say, well, that's really the purview of Parks and Rec.

[77:00] Yeah, I Mean that second paragraph has a sort of a throwaway line towards tree planting as part of a laundry list. So maybe it's worth trying to push that out a little Yeah. Because it is something we've talked about in the past season that You know, like a lot of things like that urban heat island topic in general just sort of never really picked up postcode Yeah, I think you could almost in the third paragraph. You could have the site, you could take tree planting out of the second sentence which is talking about mostly about Previous and impervious surfaces and then put in a sentence or two that says explicitly like and the role of urban forests are especially important, and we need to make sure that we're We need to expand our, our, our, our focus on growing out our urban forest to address this issue.

[78:18] So shall we say today. Because I know in my world these days. If I don't have very clear, specific deadlines. I'll put it in the pile and in the pile will get bigger than I could ever find the thing again. So should we set a sort of a date sooner than that December 18 to try to get all the edits in Yeah. Is there anything else folks want to talk about on the letter or we pretty seems like Susan Miriam have some deliverables and and maybe mike to answer I can Um,

[79:00] I think the main thing we're going to sort of wait to see is and help Susan as much as we can help you, Susan. On your section there, which is a very important section on the Excel. I mean, it's such a big public item that occurred. You know, we really didn't even know what the outcome was going to be till the votes for all counted So, and the AP does have to make a recommendation about what the city should consider in regards to this new reality. I think that's I'm glad you put it in. And if we can help you in any way. I look forward to doing that. Alright guys, thanks, Marty. I think what I I would like an opportunity to just kind of do a total rewrite on that section. I can do that tomorrow. And then I think it would be more Useful. If you commented on that rewrite then given what I've heard tonight. Great. Yeah, so I mean it seems like if we could get, you know, updates. By the end of this week that will give us Two weeks to final it over as it over email.

[80:03] Which is should be sufficient. I think we're pretty good shape. Just Robin starting it off. I like the way you introduced it Looks just one Question. And as we make adjustments. Can we get rid of some of the editing that's been going on. Or what is. Everyone okay with that. Yeah, I am one of my things. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Well, let me quickly type some stuff before except now. Just can, yeah. No, I mean, I think that's fine. And we can all you know you can always roll back to previous versions. Or reject and so Maybe you could just be Responsible for accepting or rejecting Sterling section. Absolutely, yes. Yeah, yeah. And I I have an idiot. Question here and that is I use the review function in word all the time. Where is it in

[81:06] I'm with you. I get lost. So if you go to the top right, there's like a drop down says suggesting for viewing Suggesting is track changes and Google Docs. Okay, they had to be different. Yeah, all right, I got it. Thank you. And comments because I couldn't figure out how to Yeah, now it's it's not intuitive. You Know maybe be as rich as Google could make things that were more intuitive, right. That's one that's not not good. But it's intuitive to some Google engineer. The rest of it. Maybe it's aspiring for too much but remind me last year when we submitted our letter. Did we did, we asked for, or did we sort of make ourselves available for comment and interactions on our recommendations.

[82:03] Well, this Yes, that's what I was gonna bring up next. They've asked one of us to present this to counsel on January 12 so Oh, great. We wanted to talk about who that is. I think chair gets to I'm happy, I'm happy. To do it is my my role as chair. Historically, it's always been chair that does that. But I'm sorry, so Do we present like a PowerPoint version of it or I don't know it. The only information I have is this email says presenters will be given no more than three minutes to discuss three questions. Yeah. I think it's a slide deck is optional and presentation should also be submitted. So using a slide deck is optional. Those three minutes. That's one and a half slides. I mean, yeah, I will probably more like one Well,

[83:01] So just a Quick question to you, Justin, and everyone, of course, but just in particular if you're gonna give us. We got five items on here. If you have three minutes, you know, take I'll take a minute to introduce herself. And the board. Maybe, which are these items. Would you really want to make sure they take home. I mean, all five maybe don't need to be brought forward to them. Yeah. I think that's a good thing to talk about, um, I sort of think the first two, from my perspective, or I mean I think the air quality stuff is really important and seemingly pretty easy to do, and this sort of a deficiency in the city's response personally And then I mean I you know personally think the energy future stuff is is pressing and important. And, you know, worth talking about. Not to minimize the sort of other three, but I had to pick two of those would probably be it.

[84:06] Might be each of the five items is inner related in some way. And so I don't have an exact graphic in mind. But, you know, some kind of graphic that kind of like teased up the intersection of the five issues and just gives you a couple of bullets on each one. That would be an overview That is a great idea and I Could maybe Try to draft something in the next few days. Yeah, I mean, do we have a January meeting. Brett. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say is we have a meeting ahead of that final Yeah, we have a meeting on January six, that was the first Wednesday. So we could Presumably discuss this, then Yeah, that's, um, you know, something I did a lot of in my Yeah, if you're if you're graphically inclined those now. Again, Yeah, good.

[85:00] So yeah, maybe once we have a final draft of this and a couple of weeks, if that's something you'd be willing to try to put the draft together for the January meeting, Susan. I'll be wonderful. Well, good, thanks. Well, Justin. Would you say I make you look good. Appreciate Just have a quick question. This is Heidi. I'm, I'm happy to send reminders for five days doing for Friday's deadline to take their sections, but Justin. How do you want to handle the next to get the letter to the city manager's office. Yeah, I mean, it seems like somebody needs to, you know, be great if Maybe we should talk about somebody going through and Trying to do one last through You know, I can take on our Marty's been sort of doing it as we go, or somebody else. And then, you know, I guess where we just sort of need to

[86:03] Get everybody's support on a final document over email right Heidi and then I'm happy to craft an email and send it on to Council PC ever on his chair. Yeah. So are we saying what's the, what's the deadline for all the sections to be in final draft form. I mean, I said Friday, I feel like it could be the middle of next week, but I don't think there's a whole You know, Sounds like Susan can work on it relatively quickly and other than I don't think there's a whole lot for folks to do. And I know Mike's availability is Yeah, I think that's right. I think it's a few Sentences. Here and there. For the rest of it. And so I like the idea of making Friday the deadline and then Justin, you would do the final edit. Room, and I can try to yeah just, you know, make sure we're talking as one voice, you know, I think it's Pretty good at that. But in formatted correctly in the middle of next week and then that would give us, you know, sort of a week to get everybody's photo by and

[87:10] It sounds good. Why, why don't we say Just to make give ourselves a little bit of a buffer that that you could Have a draft. A final like everybody gets their sections in by end of day Friday, you get a draft. Back out to everybody by Wednesday the ninth asking for People to give final comments by Friday the 11th. Yeah. Yeah. And then that would give us a week. To finalize it and get support. Well, we would have theoretically, we'd have everybody signed off by the 11th and we would just have a little slush room in there. To get here. Yeah, that works. That works for everyone. Well, maybe we'll Take the unprecedented step of Ending a little early.

[88:03] I second that motion. Alright, have a great holidays everybody Okay. Everyone. Thank you. Will ever meet in person. Yeah, we, the first board that's gonna get the vaccinations, or do other Boards. City is procuring yeah for all board members. are essential. Yeah. All right. Thank you. Merry Christmas.