May 13, 2025 — Downtown Management Commission Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:01] Alright, we are recording. We do have some A/C units going on right now. Welcome to the National Management Commission meeting. It is May 13, th 2025, and I'm Paul Gold. Here, Dustin Calvin present Andy. Nathan is not here. Don Co. Here. Stephanie dreams here, and I will now turn the meeting over to Jared Coe for procedural items. So we have our meeting minutes from March 25, and then we have separate meetings for that special meeting. As well do I hear approval of the march 2025 min. It was approved. Same thing for the meeting from April, the special meeting. Do I hear? Those minutes? Okay, boom. Apparently we're having elections for chair and vice chair.

[1:03] So this is part of their annual business for them. So it shows up at this at the May meeting for all of our commissions. And we don't have any new commissioners for this commission. So typically we do in May. But I will leave it up to you as the chair to determine whether or not you're ready for a month with Stephanie. I know you're going out for some time, and we have had what's 1 meeting? Okay, only one meeting. We have Castro share my share. I don't. I can't need to keep doing it. Would anyone else like to nominate someone for or self nominate for chair or vice chair for all the time? You good Stephanie. Okay, so we'll just say we didn't have elections. I guess it's probably more appropriate that we discussed it. And we're not having elections because everyone's happy

[2:02] public participation. Is there anyone from the public here? There is no one from the public online. Cool consent agenda topics will not be discussed, and there are questions posed. I had some questions about the Commercial District Fund. I think, which falls under here, maybe under current financials and sales tax report. So maybe I'm good. Consent. Agenda. Okay, okay? Moving on the financial thing. On page 21 of the packet for 2025 adopted and revised. It had 25 k. For special events only this one year. Just didn't know what those were. So that was a 1 time approval. The Executive budget team and city council approved a 1 time increase of $25,000 for special events specific to downtown. It also had a couple of locations to the other funds, but it was just a 1 time. So if we find there was a strong use for that, we will have to ask for those funds again for this year and last year we.

[3:20] the city, pays downtown boulder, as I recall, for, like the soccer and the bowler things, and all those figures ago. What are these events? So this is programming to increase special events broadly. It's not specific special events. It's more to increase the depth of the office of special events, so that they can post more special events, whether it's sponsorships or whether it's any materials or any sort of Npd costs that would be associated with special events in the downtime area. So there's not a designated special event that this is funding. It's just to help us broaden the office of special events opportunities.

[4:02] Anyone else want to know more about any of that moon. my second question around all this is, we have the Action plan or the Vision Plan for 50 years of Pearl Street? Was any of that being a problem? Are you talking about like the what we kind of loosely call the Pearl stream refresh. Yeah. So the downtown vision plan was commissioned through the downtown partnership we talked about, and the next steps, so we can speak to that certainly later. That makes sense. So it is. It matters of staff. It's related to our commercial areas blueprint which we've been guiding.

[5:01] That's what's for the downtown areas. any other questions on financials? My, can I ask a clarifying question about the sales tax? So looks like down. So there's east downtown downtown. and then Pearl Street. So this downtown include Pearl east and West. Yes, okay, so looks like this. I believe this right that there's a 6% decrease year over year in sales tax from Pearl Street Mall. Hopefully, like a little more than 1% for downtown. So should I assume that the West them is offsetting it with the only less than 1% decrease overall. Actually, those are all separate. Yes, they're all downtown. Yes, it does.

[6:09] Okay, the boundaries over it. I included the boundaries in the packet in the downtown Geo. Area in the center of it does have Pearl Street Mall. But that Pearl Street Mall is a separate geological area. So I don't know if the town they're not double. Count East downtown is not okay. So here's this is east downtown. It's this very large section, and I can share my screen and apologize. It should be in your package as well. But yes, it's much further, and it's a much larger area as well. But from a commercial perspective, it's okay. So the East. It's not just the East End. But I should still benefit in the downtown that the West.

[7:00] But it's mostly just Pearl Street, and then the West End also. Here's Pearl Street is just these 4 blocks. I can't get me promises. I don't mess this up period. So Pearl Street includes 11th all the way, boulder to 15, th and you can kind of. See there. It's basically just the Pearl Street Mall and a little bit of the county courthouse, anyway, whereas in the downtown area. yes. that's where you're getting the West End. So the West End is captured more in the downtown geological area than the Pearl Street geological area. But it's gonna be much larger larger than just the West, and it's all of downtown.

[8:04] So there's not really a West End area for sales tax that we're tracking perfect. But like the biggest sales tax increases are in Girl Street like that girl Street Mall area. What? So the numbers are what we're saying. If people just at Pearl Street Mall sales tax is down. Yeah, we look at all of downtown, including Pearl Street, Mall, South Texas, ever so slightly. Not dead. Yes, so it means that the rest of downtown. It's offsetting the process. Yeah, that's down extension. Okay? So downtown extension is kind of more like the area between the library. Yeah, it's it's a very interesting boundary. No, they're they're doing. They're doing that somehow. They're doing really well.

[9:02] very. You'll notice it's a small number on downtown extension. So there's generally been a lot of fluctuation, because that was where our office was. So when Alpha is closed, downtown extension way down. This is going to be in that space, and then, like the shops on Broadway. But again, it's very small overall percentage of all the downtown. So and it's not even catered. So it's more than all those businesses along Broadway. Okay? I guess. Yeah. So like the connected question, I know that we don't know the answer to this, but like any hype hypotheses around. Why rural in particular, and a lot worse than the overall downtown in terms of sales tax like the types of businesses? Or

[10:06] or is there any one that we get into this, or is that? You know we could? We could look at Placer to to hone in a little bit more. But it's really hard to correlate visitation with retail sales tax. And again, this is just sales tax. So sales tax is just kind of one piece of the puzzle in terms of business performance. Oh. so it's hard to create a strong causation, for why grocery went down, I will say we'll be keeping an eye on it watching trends. And this is the end of year. Reports of year over year. So once we get q 1, and now that we kind of finalized that. Mind you, we we just got December sales tax data. So we're we're pretty far behind and getting reporting out so we're hoping to get some reports sooner. But yeah, I would say, q. 1 would be a good way for us to start drawing some pictures and seeing if there's any correlation.

[11:05] maybe my question around all that is, do we want? Does the city want to have more fine tune areas like the West End like instead. So we could start to look at it more granularly. What with what was like all the people wanting to close the West End and stuff, we could actually start tracking like. because we are kind of blobing a lot of areas together. This is all managed by the Budget office. So they they have to do this for the entire city. This topic has come up before, and they are generally hesitant to carve out. Yeah, there is administrative burden associated with that on a regular reporting basis. And so there's not a lot of incentive other than the reason that we have these boundaries, in the 1st place is because of special taxing districts.

[12:03] That have existed over time. Where Pearl Street was 1st built. There were assessments on adjacent properties in order to build the original improvements. And so there was a need to separate that out, because there was a difficult decision. So just to do it because we're curious, we'll probably not fall too enthusiastically. That would need to be tied to some sort of long term strategy as to why we need to separate this area out versus another area. But I mean, like, it just doesn't seem to reflect broader economic trends. And it's just affecting one strip. More than that, it would make me think about what's the business? What are the businesses in particular? Or did one block have like a major vacancy? Yeah, immediately say, like, Oh, such and such. We haven't traditionally decades that agent has existed. We have traditionally provided a lot of the sales tax. Beyond these numbers. There is line by line type of

[13:16] sales tax revenue, whether apparel computers, food, good places versus, you know, business. So and that's all available. And so there's administrative burden to try to separate that out for specific districts. So we just we've been providing you with information that we get from the finance department pretty easily and readily. there's it's it's limited, and it's and it's our ability to separate out for Pearl Street. For all those details I would speculate that the holiday season is an important shopping season. Our placer AI data shows that, as far as foot traffic goes, during the last couple of months of 2024. Compared to other shopping areas in the region

[14:11] Pearl Street downtown was was. And that's such an important part of the overall sales tax mixer is those last couple of months. And so that alone. That's purely speculative. Yeah, it's a slightly weak holiday shopping season in a district translated to a down number for a year, because. if I recall correctly absorb our reports from previous meetings, Pearl Street was keeping track. It's just this last last month came in that showing like a plan for holiday. I mean, unfortunately, this is the best metric that we have to showcase. Our business community is doing as a whole. So it's really hard usually hear from businesses when they're doing really, really well, or when they're not doing really really well. But they're certainly not open or even willing to necessarily give us their sales folks. So it is a lot of this anecdotal and you know, I think this is this fits in with the

[15:17] district analysis feedback that Brad Siegel gave of downtown is kind of not in stagnation, but a little bit flat. So if it had been like a 15% decrease, then that would be really concerning. But in this current in the current political environment, with so much unsureness. it's not surprising to me that they need them. And 2023 was very strong. So you follow a very strong year with kind of a flat year. That means that you're going to see the numbers down relative to the previous year. So it's not that terribly surprising. It's concerning yeah. But it wasn't. I mean, I had my best summer. This was 20.3 in 10 years.

[16:04] so for us, for it to be pretty close to 2023. To me. It's like pretty impressive. People were like just throwing money out like as if all their clothes disintegrated during Covid. It was like you have nothing left to wear. You haven't even been seen in a marketing campaign cadence. Visitation report not discussed in those questions. Place your AI stuff great moving on along to the Quarterly perks of record folks. I'm Ally Rhodes. I'm the director of Parks and Recreation, and we give you all a quarterly Update. So I have to give the zoom to somebody. We're a Microsoft organization. I've never been told that my life, so you just made my day. You've got the blower right behind you, I'll do my best. I was just saying we're a team's organization. So give me 2 seconds. I do have some graphics to share with. Y'all.

[17:33] Yeah. right? So you you all have no new Commissioner members. I misunderstood someone while you've been around. You know what parks and recreation is, what we do for the city. Awesome? All right. So one. Just you'll note on the Pearl Street Mall. We're in the middle of the transition from spring to summer. That means our team over a span of 4 weeks. Grab every single bed, carefully, remove the tulips, and set them up for drying, so that we can give them away in August and get flowers in the ground with the goal to make that turnover happen

[18:11] by Memorial Day, when we have tens of thousands of people down here for the boulder boulder expo for the Creek festival, and I'll just note there's always a question. I know it is a bummer that it happens right before graduation, and then mother's day, and if I had a magic wand and make it happen in a week, I would As it is we. I feel pretty impressed with what the team does to get all of the beds cleaned up and planted by Memorial Day weekend. So we're in the middle of that transition you'll see flowers going in every single day through the end of next week. So that's it. On operations. I have a few projects I want to talk to you about. So the civic area you all have been hearing a lot about. I would assume we're not in an engagement window right now. And so the intent today is just a quick process. Update this is our project schedule. All of this is online. You can't read any of that from here, so I'll make sure it's available in your packet. The summary is is that we're at an exciting point where we have been working hard to understand the site, the significant constraints from the floodplain, from the existing buildings, the special uses to the community, all that site analysis, a lot of community engagement

[19:21] and we're at a point where we're merging that into one concept design that will be presented to the community this summer. In the 3rd engagement window. We'll make sure in your pockets. Or if you're not on the project emails, you're alerted to those engagement opportunities. Certainly as commission members and folks who care about the downtown. You'll want to be engaged in that project. Once we move through concept, we'll know and have some costing to figure out how we allocate the 18 million dollars that's been assigned to this project from the 2021 community culture, resilience and safety tax. 18 million dollars is not enough for the breadth of the park, and we've included the arboretum path in the scope of this work. Recognizing the importance to update that connection.

[20:06] All those folks that are going to be up on the hill for the new Conference center, the Moxie Hotel, the Sundance Film festival. We want them sliding on downtown and spending lots of money. And so the arboretum connection is critical to that. And so, in addition to the design and place making improvements. We're working closely with the folks in community bond vitality are both short term and long term wayfinding. So signage. So folks know when you're standing at the top of the hill. It's just a short half mile downtown to the iconic Pearl Street Mall. That's all. Coming through 26. We'll be doing schematic design to construction documents to permitting. We expect to have shovels in the ground late 26, early 27 from any questions on that. I'm fine, just pausing as I go. Okay, I'm I referenced this. In the background there is a whole lot of background for

[21:02] specific area, including a couple of the documents. Chris mentioned the downtown vision plan that the downtown boulder partnership recently did. Some of the social seats projects that y'all were talking about. Recently all of those have been formed. How folks want to use what is the largest swap of public land in downtown boulder? This governance model is something that we really do want to socialize. So that top left Quadrant. That's the design. That's where we spend a lot of money up front on capital. But what Mark makes a part great is really what happens after the ribbon. How are you taking care of it? How are you activating it? And what are you doing to enforce good social behavior. So that's a key part of this project. Again, somewhere, we're working really closely with community vitality as we explore the district's analysis and potential funding models and a governance structure for the civic area. This is something that didn't get quite across the finish line with phase, one improvements. We did great work in the park, but there wasn't an ongoing plan structure and funding to activate it. And we intend to do that this time, so that when we cut the ribbon on whatever improvements are made. There's an ongoing plan for great activation and taking care of the space this aligns with the feedback we're hearing from the community. We have coded thousands of comments and talking to business owners.

[22:21] visitors to the park, and while a lot of their comments fall in the design realm or fall into the operations, the safety and the space activation. So we'll be excited to talk to you more about that throughout the next year it will have connections with the Dda work that you all will be talking about the districts analysis and then potentially even governance. We're asking a lot of questions right now. We don't have answers, so you might ask questions, but I probably don't know the answers yet, either, because that's what we're looking into. So because 18 million is not a lot of money.

[23:00] How do you? I feel like keeping us back from really like completely re-envisioning a park that I felt badly is like so underutilized, and not the center boulder. And and it could be that would have to be like drastically transformed, in my opinion, like how we, this division, like, start before we can, because the funding is really low. relatively speaking, and then build upon that? Or is it like this? Is all you know, the hardest given. hoping to be envisioned with this little money. It just seems like how much it costs to build a playground. One playground compared to that giant space like, what can you really do? It's transformative. So I'll add a few things on that. So this project, the design piece, is to get a concept for the entirety of the park that goes beyond just the pretty pictures we had in the 2015 civic plan, so that there's a really good vision for one of 2 things. Either

[24:01] we stay steadfast this vision, and we steadily implement it as funds are available, perhaps more as part of the long term financial strategy, perhaps more through a Dda than fund. Capital investments. That's option one option 2 is you have this really exciting vision and use for private investment use for philanthropic investment. I keep using the example of Omaha and their ribbonfront parks. Have any of you been there? I know, Omaha. It's an incredible downtown park that has connected the river to their downtown. They took 50 million in city money and turned it into 350. And so you know, my, I challenge if we, if we can turn 20 into 100, would. That's not something boulder has a strong history of doing. But it's possible. For example, already we're talking to some of the private business owners who own property adjacent to the Arboretum and the East Bookend is a huge development opportunity that can in turn drive private investment. Okay? But if nothing else, we have the full concept plan and steadily can implement over time. We're not letting 18 million hold us back. Which is what I heard is your concern. And and well, I mean, yeah, yeah, I'm also appreciative that you understand. 18 million dollars isn't a lot of money that comes.

[25:17] and I'm I'm out like blanking on the name of the farm. That would just In plain. It's like in a part of St. Louis, and I was really. I'm sure it cost a ton their natural playground. There's like 5 different playgrounds of all different ages of waterfalls like that completely transformed the space. I was talking to locals about it. That was a ton of money, but it completely transformed the space. And so I appreciate that it would be very expensive and well worth the investment to do that meaningfully in that space, because it's so big. Yeah. So the other thing we've seen. So down cities around the country are looking at, what do you do to make sure your downtown stay these wonderful vibrant places. And one thing that you know some of the research is showing is that there's a 7 to one return on investment parks. And so we're hoping to tell that story and help keep advocating.

[26:17] So let me tell you a little bit. This is just showing some of the we brought people to concepts in the last window of engagement. These are the things that were most popular. The things in red were the things that resonated in both of the concepts one is expanding the farmers market. This is not news. Every time we talk about the civic area, people are eager to build on what you have in the successful Boulder County Farmers market. And this idea that it could be a food and innovation. Hub. there's a lot of interest in a beer garden somewhere, perhaps at the Tape Building, if it were to be repurposed when the city, some city staff moved to the Alpine Bials campus, if not elsewhere on the site a food truck plaza. So if folks can picture the civic area, it's that swath of land from 9th to 14 between Arapaho and canyon. So at Arapahoe and Broadway those 2 city buildings will go away when city staff moved to Alpine balsam, and so that area in the corner it would be imagined as a food truck plaza.

[27:18] one area that's functioning pretty well right now is on that southern side of the creek. We're calling it the Boulder beach, and we would build on some activity that is already happening in a really lovely way. People use that area for sunbathing. They use it for water play, and so could we build a beach in the middle of the city, and then folks want connectivity, the creek throughout the site. Everything else are just ideas that that resonated with people. I'll tell. You know, a standing wave we've we've known just creek flows, probably not going to happen in Boulder the way it happens in Bend on the Deschutes River that has year round. Good water flow but a lot of interest in Hub, which, when you consider it approximity to boulder high. That's exciting. So in the concept plan, you'll see the design team take just these words and help have really great pictures and imagery to demonstrate that and get input from the community. So that's this summer.

[28:12] We have spaced activation collaborations with a lot of the community organizations. We consider that the farmers market the library to be our anchor partners. I already mentioned, the governance work, operations and safety is something that we're diving into, because that has been such a theme of feedback from folks. And then we have a connection to nature engagement series throughout the summer. So our team is moving away from a 1 and done open house where folks have to come to some city building on a Wednesday night at 6 o'clock, and we're going into the park to do engagement, and so we'll be publicizing that. And there's opportunities throughout the summer, including our new favorite way to get families into the park. And that's just you bring out Jeff and Paige, because all the families love them. So that specific area. Another question, really. And I've been taking our kids to degree.

[29:02] But there's like active drug dealing rang buy-in all the time where the kids play. But I'm trying to convince friends to be like, well, maybe it's just God, it's not that bad. But like is there also? I think the enforcement of law down there is oops and injutures families. I feel like I think it's legal to do that legal to deal drugs in public, not to deal drugs for you to use. But yeah, but that's the part where I think that. So we're working really closely with the police department, with the urban Ranger team to make sure there is good presence in the park. It's an ongoing issue. There's 2 challenges there. One is that there are behaviors that happen in the park that make people feel unsafe that make people feel unwelcome, and how do we address those? The other is is that as long as there is homelessness, parks will be a place where people who are unhoused will congregate. And how do some of it is stigma? And I feel unsafe because there are people who are unhoused in the park, and we want to address both. Both address where there are actual safety issues.

[30:07] and help address some of the stigma around all this stuff. And it's really hard. Yeah. But I just want to go back to that graphic safety, as it is 1 4th of the quadrant. And how do we help folks both feel safe and be safe in the park. This this part is going to be really short. I think I'm at the end of my time. There are 2 projects that I do not have as much detail about. But we want you to know they're coming. So there is funding that has been allocated out of actually page of dollars for some Pearl Street investment that is in scoping now. And so the scope of that project, timeline what all it includes is very much to be determined. You'll hear more about it. Barker Park is in scoping now, so Barker Park is on the east end of Pearl Street right at 15th and spruce. Can you see it from here? It's around. It's around the corner there. The play area is woefully past its life cycle during the weekdays. It serves as the only play area for the Boulder Day Nursery, which is a longtime partner of the city of Boulder. The only my understanding is one of the only daycares to offer a sliding scale.

[31:16] We're eager to partner with them. We already are on the engagement. It's going to be an incredible play area. So that will be engagement will conclude this summer permanent construction through the end of the year. Construction in the 26, with the ribbon cutting at the end of the summer. Next year we're very excited about it, and also working closely with Chris and his team to figure out what might improvements adjacent to it look like it's all I got. That was good. Good evening, all right. Let me put up my next slide.

[32:14] Really. I want to also compliment by telling you on the awesome journals that just went out a mural at the entrance stairs, down at street level, 2 same artist style, also the White Wall Street up here. everyone to enjoy, I'm admin. All right. So that is not the correct updated the plan I have. I had a problem with myself.

[33:02] Think I have more time to get my work done. And, Ali, while you're here, I want to just say a big thank you to your team. The flowers are looking so great, and I've seen a lot of people out just planting flowers tending to things I know I've seen on your team, too. There have been some people painting and various light pools. I noticed that the Pride Crosswalk got updated yesterday. So thank you. All of that work is noticed and appreciated better can share my screen. I'm really excited about what I have to say. Okay, here we are, all right, great. So you can go to the next slide.

[34:10] Talk a little bit about our pedestrian counts. This is very hard to read. Hopefully. You can see it in our packet. So our pedestrian counts were down slightly. But it's really important to note that our cameras at 11 were down. The camera was messed with during the fire assault and the firefighting I got to climb up on the roof on a very precarious ladder last week with our it professional and adjust the camera lens. So it's now it's it's actually pointed in the right direction. But if this is going to be just sort of a data disparity point that we all need to remember. So that's that. And on the next slide we've had a really busy couple of months representing downtown boulder, being ambassadors around the State of Colorado.

[35:02] go to the next slide. We were at the downtown conference, Dci in downtown every week, and that was a really wonderful event. About 350 downtown leaders from around the State got together. I got to serve on a panel that was led by our Vp. Of marketing and communication, who also serves as the chair of the Uci board. So we have really strong representation in Boulder those are some images there's there was a great presentation from a woman who is works on retail strategy nationally, and she did a session on Roe instead of Roi. So return on emotion that's really interesting. And she gave a shout out to our social media, and the Student Banner Project and her presentation. I did not bribe her. She just did that simultaneously. So always nice to be a shout out. And I haven't been really before, and I have to say I was really really impressed with the public art and their infrastructure, and even safe it was they do have a Dda there, and I just really appreciated the science behind here, especially at the moment at the end of March, beginning of April, where we were coming together. It just kind of felt like a weird, chaotic time, but to remember when things are hard, there's still opportunity.

[36:22] I also did some advocacy at the State level. There's a picture of the Capitol down. So be testifying in the committee for the Hb. 12, 0, 8, which was the minimum wage to offset, tip, credit, and move it to local governments of the restaurant community a lot on that also attended the downtown Denver partnership state of downtown morning, and it was very impressive to see their statistics and the data that they're able to present. But also one of the themes was that it's really helpful when people start telling a positive story instead of just complaining about things all the time.

[37:01] And that resonated a lot a lot about how we can improve. But we also have a lot to celebrate. I can go to. The next slide also went and presented at the Colorado Creative Industry Summit, and there was a huge contingency from Boulder, which is very, very cool. There's a picture of me presenting to the group. There's some polites you might recognize in the upper left. And then I got a somebody reached out somebody I just met who's the program and art director for the Jcc. And she said, Hey, I thanks for re-inspiring me about my own community. Your talk made me want to spend more time on the Pearl Street Mall. I just love that when you go to a conference, and you actually inspire somebody from your own get connected. I also wanted to just point out that this on the right there is a self cleaning bathroom also wounded by the Grand Junction, and it cost $450,000. It was a partnership investment between their Tda and their city, and it took them 9 months to get shipped and funded, and all these things but I love the way they wrapped it. Put it. The big arts quote by Dalton Trevor is their celebrity exports.

[38:17] Anyone else where I've been out and about. You haven't seen me downtown as much. I've been representing State on the next slide. share with you a little bit about our comprehensive marketing campaign, which is, live now so welcome to the heart of Boulder. You'll see that little heart with the map point on a lot of different things on the next slide. This is our ad. If you play it will it have sound sorry. It's easier than it's. This is the ad. Welcome to the heart of Boulder, the Dmc.

[39:15] Welcome to the heart of Boulder. where the flatirons meet the Pearl Street Mall and the trailhead meets the tap room. It's where artists, adventurers, and entrepreneurs all cross paths over a patio lunch. A farmer's market or a spontaneous street performance. This isn't just any downtown. This is downtown boulder where boulder comes to life, and whether you're here to shop small, eat big, or just feel the vibe. Your support keeps the pulse of the town beating strong. So plan your visit today at visitdowntownboulder.com. hey? This campaign. You may recognize some of our local celebrities. From that shoot. We we always use local models. And in fact, today we had a shoot with some local models that I'll show you in a couple of minutes. That spot is going to be airing on local TV stations. It's also got some audio versions that are linked to high traffic radio

[40:11] and also or sorry traffic report radio, which is some of the most listened to radio in the State. And also this year, we're targeting a lot of podcast marketing. So through a couple of different campaigns. And you'll start to hear that if you're listening to podcasts out and about this local in the back channels. Or is it also, like. you know, Disney ads, I can't answer that specifically, we target very specifically to our region. We're really looking. This year, especially, we heard from our community that we want to do more marketing to the local community. So we've concentrated our dollars on local builder and focusing on in the city of Builder. Because I know, even like the Hulus and all that, you can still target locally by the whole nation. Yeah, I think maybe our ad agency does that. But I can't tell you specifically, I'm happy to follow up with you later today. Yeah, yeah.

[41:09] I don't. I know a lot? No one I know. Oh, well, no, we we these are commercial TV spots. Very good, that's already no one. Oh, no one, you know, has TV not knowing, you know, gotcha gotcha. No one has commercial like over the air TV kind of like 9 news kind of stuff. Everyone a lot of the sports channel they broadcast, you know. Nbc, that's kind of my question I can send you from marketing. That'd be awesome. Let me go to the next slide. We. These are some of the campaigns again. Just those local, beautiful pictures.

[42:05] 50 50 quick messages on the next slide. We'll start to see these on some of our bus backs. So this is the Bus Camp Bus campaign. I'm a big fan of the boulder is the part of boulder. That's very fun. And we're flatter and casual meets. 5 star flavor. Just a quick shout out, we are also launching a partnership with Visit boulder where we have a trails to restaurant campaign. So on our website, you can figure out which trail pairs best best, with which restaurant, so you can hikes meet us and then go to I'm not sure what the actual thoughts are, so I probably just misspoke that one. But it's a really fun list, and we're trying to get people to kind of do that as a passport on the next slide. That's this is some of the advertising that we're launching in a lot of our nonprofit arts organizations program books. So this will be in the Shakespeare Festival, Florida Music Festival, and also in the weekly Daily camera those kinds of print ads.

[43:10] and on the next slide this is a partnership that we have with the city, and these are small cards that be distributed to 130 locations throughout downtown. This was actually by request from the restaurant community. They're trying to tell a positive story about how easy it is to park downtown. So we're inviting people to put these on their cash wrap stands, or insert them in a billfold. When you get your check as a way to just downtown boulder, as being a really easy and friendly and portable place to Park. So that's been a really great partnership. Thanks for your support on that and on the next slide, maybe my one, no one wants it. It depends on what feedback is. I love the boulderous part of boulder and stuff. Oh, on the activity. Yeah, it's hard to say where that is like

[44:00] that would have it right here in the system. We don't call it downtown. It's hard to see what is always part of what you're noted. Noted. Yeah, thanks. Like could be the hill. Well, you know, with the 5 star. Sorry to say, this is already in production. Yeah, it does extreme definitely. Just today we had a photo shoot with some of our local celebrities. So these are the folks that signed up today. They were out and about in, I think, 9 different locations, and we'll be using their fabulous faces and ad campaigns to come. They have another local model. Oh, jungle and turkey kids! Pina colada! The cutest thing on their menu.

[45:03] Hey? You can't see all right on the next slide. We announced our bands on the Bricks Year Series. So this is our lineup super excited about that. We're going to have Cu night, which will also have a preview party at the Boulder Theater on June 25, th and then just announced, I didn't have time to just update this. July 9th is going to be our member appreciation night. And we've got some great new bands around alongside some fabulous fades like Hazel Miller. That's already artwork. So you'll start seeing these posters around town, and it starts June 11, th and then finally, tomorrow. Oh, if you want to volunteer, please volunteer. Sorry. No, no, that's okay. I forgot. I put that in there. You can go ahead to finish the the next one. After that. Our ambassador update. We are having some challenges with the thing that we call the smart system, which is where we gather all of our statistics. But sometimes the smart system is stupid, and we have to use our human brains to try to figure it all out. So one thing that I may have mentioned the last time I was here is, you have the Atlv, which is a giant vacuum which I call the Snuffolophagus. That machine has been out

[46:22] sucking dirt out of gutters and helping our team. So that's a new statistic that we've tracked. You can see graffiti was up quite a bit. We don't see it. That's because our folks are out there removing it. -Oh! Something like that have experience. Can you go back to this slide owing shit? Big belly service, so big belly is the brand of trash cans. And that's actually an archival that we need to get rid of. I'm glad you brought that up. But basically it means, yeah, it's

[47:05] don't move too soon, because we might be installing big belly trash cans by the time we get it removed. You know, there's a huge like. No one knows the trash can. People are like. I've been walking for blocks. You guys don't have any trash cans here, right? I'm like we we do, but they're just too pretty. Can you go to the next slide? I. This is just sort of some hotspots of where those those incidents were reported, and where those things were cleaned up. So, as you can see, we really do have coverage over the entire business improvement district, and you can also see that it extends into the civic area as well on the next slide. This is just for funsies. This is a version of the walk cap which I think I showed you a couple of meetings ago. You can see this is where somebody goes. It's just a random day. March 20.th You pick this day. Seem to take a look at it, but there is literally an ambassador walking by every single business, on every street, on most days a week

[48:12] on the next slide. These are some before and after photos. So we're really having them focus. As the seasons change on meeting and power washing, especially some of the vacant storefronts, which may have been a little bit neglected during winter months. The next slide there's some more of those. This is down in the civic area. Somebody left their belongings. We went through the process to make sure that that was cleaned up next slide again. Tree. Well, major function, we know that the city is going to be installing a number install planting a number of trees in the weeks to come. So we're really looking forward to that. We want to make sure that the tree wells are ready to accept those new trees and that the trees that exist are helping.

[49:00] And then next slide. I just wanted to comment and say that I really appreciate the banners on the vacant spaces. That was something that I like. Really. I remember like pitching like 3 years ago. And then it happened. And I was like, that's great, is it? Really? I mean, it does so much. It does so much to cover up like the window. And they're like what's inside construction. It's not construction. So that's that's what is great. And I was curious to is that like, how does that work to get that set up? Yeah. So Christine and Regan have been really helpful getting that ready. And it took a while to produce those? Yeah, sure. So the process Ali's team in forestry has a I don't know if you've ever went or been on the forestry website, but they have over 55,000 street trees that they are responsible for throughout the city. And so they have a very specific plot of

[50:06] of which trees need to be replaced at different times. We're talking about the street laws, right? No, it's okay. I think the vacancies. And it was nice when you had like some something news coming here. That's also great, too. Yeah, I was, yes, and that was a collaboration between Dvp and community vitality. Okay, so what? Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah. And is that an on was that like a 1 time thing? Or is that an ongoing process? If there's like a vacant space? And then

[51:03] I would say it would be great if it was a program where every time there was a vacancy we had the funds to do that. But we simply don't the specific. I think you're quite talking about the Houston. Yeah. Yeah. That project takes a long time to get a hold of the property owner and get permission from them. so yeah, it's we sort of do it on an ad hoc basis. There was one in the the cool space before the pool space opened. Yeah. And if anybody else has any programmatic well, it's I mean, the the initiative was tied to just the high number of longer term vacancies, which is not something that we typically had in the downtown, but focus primarily on primarily on what you said. So would love to get to a space where we don't have enough time to have to need to do it. But certainly doesn't mean anything. We can't continue to

[52:00] to. The future has been focused primarily on the East End, just because sheer number of vacant spaces. Where, if it's 1 empty space here, there. That is a traditionally been a long term problem. So what Christine and I were thinking where it says something new is coming? No, it's taking root like a new tree is going to be planted here, and that's been a partnership where participants went out and placing them. And then then we have replays. Yeah. So that's new. If something's coming, we're trying to get ahead of there. Lots of folks ask the same questions, yeah, over and over again, and so trying to get ahead of that is the intent as much as possible, because there are only certain times of the year certain times of the year you can set. There are only certain times of year. We can address a lot of the larger that come out of the community. So

[53:11] trying to get ahead of it. And there's going to be a lot more greenery starting tomorrow. We have our screen green program, 83 businesses. We're gonna have 150 flats of flowers. So I'll be sorting with our operations manager tomorrow morning. Any other questions for me. Thank you. Thank you. Katina. Matters from Staff. All right. I will be relatively brief. But I did want to introduce Jeff Bernice here. Just happens to be, but you might recognize him from the screen at your last meeting. Yeah. So I did join in our previous meeting. So, along with my partner, Ryan, who was unable to make the meeting today. You may recall Ryan Project in downtown, had a chance to come and see Chris and continue to have a

[54:21] significant interest in working together and finding a way to forward. That means first, st which I'm gonna check here. Did anybody do that? Generally I am gonna go through some slides just to give you a more detailed update of where we're at in the conversation. And then questions from their side. So we have received a draft addendum from their team for a buy sell agreement. It's currently an internal review with

[55:00] community vitality, city manager's office and city attorney's office, and we have some more work to do there. But there are going to be some key considerations that we're going to be contemplating in the months ahead, as we continue on this partnership. Some things I just want to remind and and point out for the Commission just to queue up what the next conversations are going to be is that we want to acknowledge that these folks are going to want some clarity and certainty of what their process is going to be working with the city as a seller, but also the city for a development review process that any property or any developer would go through in our community. And there are going to be some tracks that we can consider in this conversation with them. We do have the the option to evaluate, of just selling the property outright for the offered 5.2 million with some sort of conversation about how parking is going to be managed for that development.

[56:03] That is because the current land use for this parcel does not require a developer to build parking. So if the city didn't own it or cage didn't own it. Some other entity owned it. They would have the the right to develop on that parcel without building any parking, since the city does own it. That's what gives us leverage to determine what role parking should play on this parcel. In the future. So we are going to need to be having some conversations about what role caged and the Gid should play with providing parking for the entire district and also thinking about parking for the hotel project so that could translate into a public private partnership with Jeff and his team to have Cajun owned parking underground at Broadway and spruce.

[57:00] So in order to determine whether or not we want to spend resources to make that thing happen, we need to do some work. To analyze if there needs to be cages, own parking on this parcel, how much is needed, and how are we going to pay for it. And so that's some near term analysis work that we are intending to pursue. As we continue our negotiations with the team. we do have an on-call consultant that helps us with this type of work. This is work that we have done periodically many times over the existence of the Gid. The last time we did. A comprehensive parking model, for downtown was 2016. World has changed a little bit. We do know that in the near term that existing caged assets could certainly accommodate intensified use on that site. But we have a long term need that we need to model and understand before we make any decisions related to the role of parking on that particular location.

[58:07] And so once we've done that work, we can continue to engage with you all. And then, of course, City Council is the Board of Directors of Pages to determine what path forward we will be going with the development team. And so with that just want to check in with you. Do you have any questions about those suggested next steps, particularly as it relates to engaging with a consultant to do some analysis of parking demand near term and long term associated with this change in this. this, like specific to on site parking at that lot, or if the hotel has ballet, and then where do they park the cars? Does the city have any like authority, and saying, Well, park the cars at our lot, or you know, and and to get revenue from that parking is that is that part of the conversation that is part of the conversation. All right. Yes, and there there is only one option of building an underground lot. There's other options.

[59:15] Where are the people going to park? And how does the city correct. And how do we work with the developer to have them pay for that parking that exists in another facility? Okay. could one of the options be instead of Cajun owning the whole underground lot that it's some sort of split where we own 50 spots, and they get 20 spots. So this is a change, you know that's happened where, again, the land use does not require. If it was owned outright by private entity, there is no parking requirement for this parcel and so it's our understanding from the team that they think they could operate a successful hotel on this parcel with 0 parking. They have 50 spaces. But they buy. I mean, they buy spaces. Right? They are working with the hotel on additional spaces, on buying. Okay? Yeah. But they didn't build a lot. Yeah.

[60:18] the bottom line. These would be more if they're gonna have thoughts which struggle gardens. People like off the street parking. How much parking revenue does it bring in until that loss. as always, the current lot? Yeah, the current lot brings in, I think, upwards of about $300,000 a year. and so. But we wouldn't presume that all of a sudden, if we don't have those parking spaces that folks aren't still coming downtown. Pay for footing elsewhere. We can do that can be included in the analysis. And again, we have underutilized spaces at other facilities, such as the Trinity garage. So it's mostly empty.

[61:04] That's an underground garage, just a block and a half away. That is a prime location to consider for revenue generation that's currently not generating as an example. And that's why we need to engage with our on call to do that analysis and understand. Make sure that our existing assets or not, can appropriately absorb additional intensity with the new development as well as continue to serve the rest of our customers? Or do we need to finance an underground parking garage at Broadway and spruce? And if the answer is yes, we can do that too. We just have some homework to do to give design team some certainty. So there's a big difference in the design of a hotel. There's a parking garage underneath versus no project is, I mean. why is there interest in building an underground parking garage like, why do this parking is the number one? No, but like we have

[62:09] like, that's a giant development project for a new lot. And we already have a new space, and that we even could sell off like that just feels antithesis of our strategy, which is to be away from building more parking infrastructure. Right? Yeah, I would say. community vitality on the steps. At this point we're largely agnostic. And that's the conversation we're going to want to have with some data to back up. A recommendation. That will play out in conversation with you all, and council as the Board of Directors. Wow, probably 90 to a hundred. It will depend ultimately on a lot of things 90 and maybe not. Everyone's driving.

[63:01] There's some people will do something else for that main reason on any busy weekend, but at least half a week maybe they don't know. Maybe I mean there's there's a cop. There's cops. Find it 5 examples where a hotel like that you don't care about made it in 10 subtrading partner. not the problem to find all of our family. Yeah. So what do we want to do? A quick vote? Keep going with the analysis. You don't need to vote. But if you had just a discussion to make sure that we're seeing where it goes.

[64:00] I look forward to the way that we can keep pricing low for, like locals, by repurposing, offsetting some of the costs which are very expensive. You know, Christine, to keep these garages clean and feeling so I'm really intrigued by the no-built underground parking garage and repurpose. Or sitting right. I mean, I would just like to hear more about the traffic impact. That's my biggest concern as someone who has a store west of Broadway. I want to know. I mean, if I already can't wait to see what's gonna be like for Canyon and all this work that's about to happen. So there's really only 2 ways, 2 main ways to get west of Pearl, and it's canyon and screws. And so I'm just curious in there. So one way to get into the existing parking garage, so I don't know. I guess I would like to know how they plan to work around that so that people can. Still, I mean, I just think the 16th Street well enough, like, I just

[65:03] well, yeah, I have a million like that. But don't think I well, moving on to the next topic. Then, alright I moved because the sun was getting in my way improvement district analysis. Update great. I just have a verbal update for you all. So we went to council on April 24, th to share the presentation that we essentially shared with you all. On April 8th sort of a joint commission today it was really well received. The recommendations from Huma, including the exploration for a Dea was supported by council. And so Staff will be working to pursue those recommendations as next steps. We are so immediate. Next steps we are working on finalizing a scope of work, including a timeline

[66:03] for exploring and implementing a Dba working backwards from the November 2026, election. So getting it on the ballot for November 2026, and the scope will be for a consultant team to do a lot of this work to conduct the financial modeling. tiff projections evaluate existing governance structures. So how does this impact cages huge and then supporting community engagement as well. And then we're also. I know this came up earlier. We're working on the commercial areas blueprint scope. So that document will provide a long term strategic vision. It will outline tactics, specific investments and help guide city staff work plans for the next 20 years to really support our commercial areas. So we're working for on the scope for the Rfp. For that. Now that will be released from the company.

[67:01] The sentiment that Council is like a lot of support. Yeah. And generally they were supportive. There's 2 that were supportive with Japanese concerns. But generally that's that's pretty good. And I would say, the concerns were mostly tied to just ensuring that staff are coordinating across departmentally. Make sure we're tapping into the long term financial strategy work in specific area. And we're going to receive a final report from Huma by the end of June. So I'm happy to distribute that. That's for the district analysis work that will outline the recommendations that we shared with Council. Elaborating on those and kind of giving you, step by step. process, for that sounds like, did a really good job. I mean his energy about the Dvas contagious, even though it's like a financial instrument. So I thought that was Rob's energy

[68:05] unmatched Dda energy and I think he did a really good job of answering questions and helping a joint commission to be really felt like a productive use of time. So good job on facilitating them. Sorry. But I I've done some other research on Deas, and just how effective they are and the wisdom behind them. So I've been doing some of my own homework just to understand kind of the depiction. Yeah, we'll continue to keep you all updated. Yeah. So this is just a follow up to your requests. From the last meeting we have been engaging with the other commissions. There is general support for an opportunity to meet across commissions. But there's also a desire for individual commissions to have time to do their own

[69:03] individual retreat. So the staff team and I'll be working to get something on the schedule. We're targeting the November range, which is our typical business rhythm for the annual retreat in advance of writing letters to city council as they prepare for their retreat, which is in the 1st quarter, typically of the following. And so more to come on that and we'll be working to develop a agenda and identify facilitation and support. That would be maybe one of my go if I could ask. probably to put in our next packet like we need to come up with our what do we have on off months? One of the things I do is chair, as I meet with Chris and the other groups, just to kind of formulate the agenda for this meeting, and I would just love to get all your inputs, for if we are going to all meet together.

[70:04] give. We need a little bit of a session to help get. You know whether it's y'all doing your own homework. It's like me, or call center, or whatever. But we just need to like a little like, what would we want to do in with those other groups, because. Chris, the team, can do their own agenda. But I think it's what would be like the cover, and I've had that in the back of my mind. I think I've talked to Stephanie about like, well, what do you want to do? I'm like, well, I have some ideas, but I. It's not for all of us to do and so I just want us to make sure we have time and a reminder, maybe from Ollie to say like, Hey, come up with some ideas, if we can pitch that to you to help formulate that bigger jump. One question I had, like the the obvious. I hate the word synergy, but the obvious synergy is between us and you 2, like I. I don't want to be negative, but I just feel like there's very little cross

[71:01] overlap. And what we would be interested to talk about, and that even seemed obvious in the Dba discussion. Like their situation, so different development plan. They felt like a breath like that. We find value and aligning like and having a lot of overlapping topics. But, like the hill connecting is just like a big theme for us. that is, that if and when the train ever comes, and maybe it's coming again, it would stop over there. So how do we get people from there downtown to the business district? So I do see there these connections that we do need to develop. Yeah, I'm trying to like forms and stuff from the hill and all that. But like, I think we need to connect. How do we connect them over to us, because the bus there is, you know, the skips and the drums, and all those things, but like there might be need to be something more efficient should we get a training? Probably long term as well? I know, especially with some names coming here, and possibility of a theater

[72:03] being built over in the junction area having that cross tab. So I I, the way I see it is, how can we enliven East End so that people go through East end to get to 29th Street to get to this kind of. And so there's wins there. Because by doing that we're making, we're activating stem. Yeah. And I see that, but like the but we have a narrow scope in this commission about what we have influence over, and not even influence like where we can advise. And I I just think it's it's not necessarily motivating to be brainstorming topics together where we have no control or insight to. So that I just want to like reduce the scope to figure out, really. where is the meaningful overlap where there's planned city initiatives that we would. It would be useful for us to meet about and collaborate on together versus

[73:02] sort of a pie in the sky thing where they would be fun. But it might not have like meaningful impact. Or that Roi, yeah. So community vitality's work. regardless of of council priorities. And those conversations does work across all districts and the commercial areas. Blueprint will also have some considerations for Boulder Junction as well, and there are conversations we need to have facilitated or just individual commissions as well. So we would. We need to get something out of this work, too, if we're going to put the effort into facilitating and organizing this thing, we are going to selfishly influence your agenda to make sure that we're getting out what we need to help prioritize our work. And so and we wouldn't want to leave our Bj commissions out of that conversation. But it doesn't mean that we don't welcome input on

[74:04] So yeah, more to come we've got some time to plan. Well, 1st thing is, we're gonna want to make sure we get something on the calendar, because it will be it's not going to be a 1 h meeting. It will be a more lengthy facility that's in a different space that has better hvac so more to come. But we had promised at the last meeting that we would investigate with the other commissions, to see if they had any interest in such a thing and and I think we we have needs of such a thing as well. So it does make our lives easier when we can have one meeting instead of 3. So that's what we'll be targeting. I was also telling Don that they assumed it was about the Dda. You brought it up. Got it? Yeah, I that's how I read them. They're like, Oh, does Don want to like talk about the Dda together like a follow on. Got it versus like a general thing. So that's why they were like, can you ask, Don, why he's interested in this? Is it about this, or is it something else. But so I I don't. I don't think they have a vision for it yet. It would have to be

[75:13] yeah. all right before I move on. It did not make it to the agenda, but Elliot has been working on 2026 budget planning. He does have information to share, not big decisions to make. But if you don't mind if we interject a surprise agenda item, we're doing well on time. Then, Elliot, I will pass it over to you to inform the Commission on what's to come on budget planning station presentation. Okay? So thanks, Chris, and apologies and didn't make it on the agenda. it's still important. Right? Let's talk about it. So just a little bit of a timeline of what happens when we've passed our initial 1st deadline which is really just looking at the budget from what we've had in previous years, and just the things that we do on a regular basis. And we saw any need for increases just because things possible. For now

[76:21] the good news is, we didn't really have a whole lot of those we did some Cpi adjustments for the out years. But given just past performance budget, which we'll get into this a little bit more. We didn't really see a lot of need to really drive up costs just for the sake of thinking things are going to cost. We did a thorough analysis and worked with our partners on that to confirm that the next deadline coming up here shortly, is then taking money where we didn't spend, and putting it to places where we overspent. Fancy word is called realignment. Now we'll be doing that. We're doing that process right now. It's really just moving it from one line item to another line item. So no increases on the budget, or constraints on expenses. But just looking at that a little bit from

[77:09] how do we align it to where it's actually spent? So it doesn't look like we're overspent again. These are forming of proposals that will need to go then for review. So more to come on with those realignments. Correct? And then the last final one is June June 27, th and that's going to be our final submission to central finance. So that's any enhancements that we had which we will talk about those here shortly, because of the some of the one time things that were not carried over into the 2026 budget creation. We'll be asking for some of those back for 2026 so then, what that means is, in July we'll get together with y'all to take a vote on whether or not to recommend the budget to City Council and then it will go. Unfortunately, it'll be after that. The ebt will give us any feedback, any changes but shouldn't anticipate any large changes there

[78:03] and then. In September we'll have a study session with Council. We'll be reviewing the entire city's budget, which will include the general improvement districts budget, and they'll have some questions, not any formal votes on that process at that point. But it's more of just a discussion with Staff on what makes up that budget. The actual 1st vote for the general improvement district doesn't happen until the second reading, which is October 23.rd So the 1st reading is the citywide budget. But there's no actual formal movement, and and changing to the Board of Directors for the general Improvement districts until that October 23.rd When was it last year, when we heard the budget? And then we like made some recommendations to fund or the ambassadors? So the there's a couple of things that happened last year. One of the council members during the 1st reading. I believe it was asked that we

[79:06] change the ambassador, or we increase the ambassador allowance for living wages. So last September. So we we had a recommended budget of a certain portion of the agent that we presented to you all. At the July meeting. Yeah. went through the ebt process and then came back to in September is when we let you know that there was a shift, and we checked in with you to see if you still supported the city manager's recommended budget, and we got a thumbs up, and then that's what went. and that had to do with not so much the amount, but more, the funding connection, the split between general fund and is that we were in this like temporary funding. So that was approved one time in 20 for this year's budget. Yeah, so it is. It is. We will be asking for an extension of that and kind of removing the temporary process of it and making it an ongoing project or program going

[80:22] so, looking at the 2025 commission priorities. I just wanted to pull those back in to kind of re highlight. What you all discussed during that priority setting process, but also pull in kind of the district analysis, outreach the stuff that puma put together so definitely. Some overlap in the priorities there a little bit more short and sweet. The challenges were some things that we discussed and we've been discussing through our district analysis work, and we'll be working to resolve into the future. So where we are. So this is the prior Year revenue performance. So this is everything that happened in 2024

[81:03] you can see in the blue column is what we were anticipating our projections, if you will, for revenue, and then in the lighter green column there is what we actually received. So on the good side, are we outperformed our projections by 38% on interest and investment earnings, which is great. Kind of neutral. It looks like there's a whole lot of money that we brought in through other revenues. We projected 64,000, and brought in about 570,000 and that was really just a reimbursement from our partners at Saint Julian so we paid in advance of all the capital work, and then. through our agreement with the St. Julie, they reimbursed us so the way government works that can't come in as an expense reduction, it actually has to come in as revenue. So that's why it looks like we had so much extra revenue. But it is nice that we did get reimbursed. So that's a good news Downside is. We were slightly below expectations on parking. I will say there's a little bit of a caveat there. We had a pretty big past due balance for our long term permit holders and working with metropolis. We got them to understand the importance of making sure we don't have a big AR log. So actually, this year, we're on track because of our lower than expectations. In 24, we're actually on track to be

[82:28] well above expectations for 2025. And it's really just the timing of payments. It's not that we're performing any better or worse. It's just the timing of payments on the expense side. From our projected versus actuals we actually performed great in all areas we came in lower than expected. I will say, the reason I said that capital improvement program was red. Something that we want to be watching is that we were 60% below our target. A lot of that had to do with just trying to get the encumbrances and the procurement process out the door. This year things are looking quite a bit different. So most of that money is certainly spoken, for if not already under contract

[83:14] so you will notice that, as you see, construction in all of our facilities, or sitting in a building where there's no Hvac. So we did have some savings again from the Eco Pass program. Kind of a neutral feeling on that that is based on actual rides. Now, not number of eco pass holders. So what that means is, we're not having that many rides on Rtd. Through the Eagle Pass program. That being said, let's say Mid. Q. 3, I think last year we made a decision to expand the ecopass program to part-time employees as well. So we're hoping we can actually get that closer and closer to what we're expected to be paying for the ecopass program. And a big shout out to the maintenance team, even though we had a large freeze event early 2024, we were still under by 5 and a half percent on what we were expecting. So that's great.

[84:12] What happens to the money when we're under budget or over budget. Does it pull from general fund, or does it go back to the general fund, or what happens? So it all stays in caging. So the district it's it's if you were to think about it. It's our own little budget we get to go if we have to. So we've got some in reserves. 100. Yep. So it just goes back to the bank account, so to speak. Don't know. That's not my work. That's the work of staff. But, thank you. Someone's got to get it right. So fund balance wise. So where are we at? What does that all mean? Revenues came in slightly above what we were expecting expenses came in quite a bit lower than what we were expected. So what that did for the fund balances? You can see our ending fund balance there on that right hand side in the green.

[85:00] we ended up. I think it's around 23 million dollars in fund balance. So don back to your question. All of that money just goes right back to the fund balance. Which right? Yep. So, yeah, so what that does is it frees it up for that the future years. We can then program those dollars and and the fund financials that you all should have received in your packet. If you remember, from last year's fund financials in 2029, we were down to about a million dollars and fund balance because we were programmed so heavily in our capital program. And actually, this year, in 2030, we're looking to be a much healthier fund. which is a good thing because we're gonna need it for more capital investment. Because right? Which is which is kind of general. This general group of districts. Really, their incentive is to to invest back into its assets, so that those assets can then maintain a good revenue portfolio for them. So that's great. Alright. Where are we going? So you can see here this column. These 3 columns is really what was adopted in 2025. So that's what we were anticipating. Spending back in March 2024 and then the second column there. The darker green is. Now that we're in 2025. What do we actually anticipate? And then

[86:21] we're in May of 2025, and crystal ball in 2026. What do we expect to spend there? And I will say a caveat that is, a draft budget. So that does not include any asks for like the ambassador program. it does not include any asks for like the special events stuff. So all of those one time things are not baked into here. So it's not a complete, accurate picture. Those numbers will change quite a bit. But being as we're talking about sources of funds here. We do see continued growth in our revenue for parking specifically because we are actually enforcing our garages now, which we had not been really in the past because we had a gate. So the gate kind of acted as our physical barrier for enforcement. Now that we're gateless, we actually do run enforcement. And we have been seeing some decent revenues of enforcement. Hopefully, that doesn't continue when we get compliance. Which we would expect. But with compliance comes more revenue on the compliance side of things. So just shifts, buckets.

[87:22] property taxes are flattening. Y'all probably notice in your assess values that you got from the county this year. Probably a dip is what most people saw, which is not a bad thing, right from a property owner's perspective. That's a good thing. More money in your pocket from a general improvement district side of thing or government side of thing that just means less revenue to reinvest back into those districts where those property taxes are collected leases, rents, and royalties 2 days ago. And it's like, Wait.

[88:04] Yeah. I was curious about the scope of. yeah. So we basically, we just held it flat. Is what we're doing. So reason being is, there's a couple a couple of things have changed one. Obviously the assessed value of properties change the assessed rate at the State legislative session is changing. And then there's also a lot of state legislative bills that have kind of capped the amount of revenue that can be collected. It reduces the assessed value over time and so on. So we've basically kind of done a flat projection for property tax that is. Now, if we do see some development and some increase in property values that would obviously change for caged in addition to city and everything else. leases, rents, and royalties being very conservative. With that, we're in a process. We just changed our property management company, and we want to kind of let them get their feet wet before we make any big decisions on making projections for future funds. Also, we're really hoping to do more and more affordable commercial programs which have an impact in revenue, but has an impact also in foot traffic to the area sales tax and just kind of the overall

[89:20] ambiance of the district as well. So we're not necessarily seeing that as native use of funds cost allocations. So that's what we pay back to the general fund for things like Hr. It. Central Finance City manager's office, city council, city attorney, etc, etc. That's actually gone down a little bit based on previous years projections and actually into a future as well. So that's good. It's favorable district vitality. We have that one time savings in the Ambassador program, which we fully anticipate re asking again, did not make it one time. And then our capital improvement program that is not finalized yet, so I know Christine had to step out, but

[90:04] I've been getting lots of communications from her and our senior project manager on how we are going to be needing to ensure. We have good funding for the capital improvement programs necessary in our assets. So where does that take us? Right? You can see there are 2025 adopted versus projected ending fund balance changed so much just because of the 2024 actuals changed so much so our projected ending fund balance went up quite a bit. Because of that, the 2026 draft you can see it is already starting to eat into the fund balance just without any enhancements, any changes in capital improvement program. So that's something we're going to be watching and keeping in a close eye on to make sure that we obviously have a very healthy Fund balance into the future. So where are we going? Just a few other things kind of rehighlighting the increases cost because things are getting more expensive. Not a whole lot of changes there, moving money to where we actually need to spend it and then asking for more money. Is that last process? Again, those enhancements and asking for one time programs in permanent.

[91:11] And then our big to do list. Obviously, with the district vitality projects. We have the Dda conversation that's really big on our minds as well as the commercial area blueprints. And how do we connect? Not just downtown and Eugene, but how do we connect, like Boulder Junction, for instance, and any other commercial area? So that as we have people who are wanting to be in commerce connected to these different areas. So something that we're constantly thinking about arts and culture projects. We have quite a few of those coming up University Hills, getting a lot of love right now with some Ccs funds that were available from 2017, but also working on some of the things that we're doing with Pearl Street. Of course the Pearl Street refresh is coming up fairly soon. and then the big one is really, what are going to be our changes for the 25? Through 31 cip

[92:01] questions the parks and Rec. Things they were talking about with the older beach, and all those other things is a totally separate budget. This is just a Cajun, so you know, because it is a little bit of extra. We can't help support getting any of those things done faster. Can't? It's a strong word. I would say that there are opportunities for Cajun to do some investments, however. Given the East Book in conversation, there may be a more appropriate use of caging dollars in terms of what investors are made up in East Book. In thinking about the intent of Cajun, and how it manages parking and provides parking for this area, there may be some opportunities for pager to do some investments in that way, so I would say that there's certainly going to be some asks for how Pager does some investments in the spoken, but it might look a little bit different from the Parks direct standpoint, and more on the development parking asset standpoint is what I would kind of anticipate too early to say exactly.

[93:11] It's in the district, any public, you know amenity in the district. There is an option, if if we can make it worth financially to contribute dollars to make something happen. For instance, the Pop jet fountain on the Pearl Street Mall was something that Cajun helped fund. It would not have happened if there hadn't been that ability for such a thing. At the 25th anniversary. So so we certainly have conversations with other departments to entertain what might be appropriate for agent to support if it's allowed, if it allows the city to make something happen that wouldn't otherwise happen. Like at any other park across the city. Is is there besides selling off that lot? Is there any other like explorations into

[94:02] selling off other Asian properties, or even divesting in low margin or high costs for the next 30 years. Scenario. So yeah, the Broadway spaces are only surface lot. So and that's the that's the balance that we need to be thinking about is we still haven't forming ordinance responsibility to provide all the parking for all commercial properties in the district. So if we do entertain. perhaps offloading, for instance, the Randolph Center Garage, because it's our oldest garage, and we have to spend a significant amount of capital dollars to keep it from falling into the ground. We could save money right? We could save money by making it somebody else's problem and allowing it to redevelop into something else. But it's part of our overall portfolio of parking for the district, so we would need to make sure that we can absorb that in other ways, whether it's building more parking or managing our assets differently. So that's the trade off and the balance that we would maintain and entertaining.

[95:10] Got it is that the the big project? I don't remember what it's called near the St. Julian civic use pad specific use path project is that part of the conversation as well to offload? And then. yeah, so to say, Julian, always had ownership rights to the the above ground level. So Kate still owns all the underground space. The garage was originally built. Anticipation of that intensity of use above it. That's why our utilization in that garage is is the lowest in the district, because. it was built in anticipation of more intense uses. Okay, so we're just like anticipating that will fill up with that development, that. And it's also in service specific area across the street. So where we're thinking about, we're going to be intensifying uses in the civic area.

[96:06] As we tear down buildings. Right? How do we make sure that those who needs a drive of a reasonable access and the breathing or walnut intent. Yeah, I guess when we're thinking about parking, and you're talking about selling off the through some Broadway thing for the hotel. you know, getting 5.2 million for it. We get 300 KA year roughly, that's talking. At 16 years we would make that money, anyways. That seems like a low. We're not offsetting income. We're going to lose. We're just selling the property. But we're not offsetting income. Once there's expenses associated with that $300,000 revenue. How much expense? Well, we just repaved it, and it was about 40 to $50,000, and that's every 10 years

[97:02] hypothetically. It's it is every 10 years. And then, of course, there's the trees. There's the meter maintenance. We pay for the meter program, those types of things. It's not a substantial amount of money. But it is. So maybe it's 20. Yeah for yeah, our Roi for 5, 20, right? But it's also it's a very small portion of our total portfolio, and if the and the hotel partner intends to purchase parking from us, so right now, on average, we we're at about 50% utilization in our total portfolio on a on a typical busy day. That's down about 30% from our busiest days. Pre pandemic and so in a typical busy day, and before the pandemic, we were about 70 to 80% utilization of of our total portfolio. And so that's so. Right. Now, we know we have capacity and wiggle room and our assets.

[98:09] If our office vacancy rate goes back down to what would typically be an average typical vacancy between, you know, 7% or lower. Then all of a sudden, we have a lot more folks coming in our town utilizing spaces, and they're going. And so we need to be modeling just on current conditions. But the conditions that we want to plan for and hope for for the commercial spaces that just aren't producing partners right now, maybe one more question I have on this. When did we? When did Cajun acquire these properties, and how you know what funding mechanism and so well, cage has been around since 1970. So did we just buy them as part of the whole street and all that stuff. There was a downtown master plan that identified the locations where there were opportunities to start a service parking. So this was a service city service parking Lot

[99:05] 14th and Walnut was a city surface parking lot. Subscribe. Yeah, like all of our garages, were at one time district owned surface parking lots that over time have evolved into structure. Right? Say, Bmc. Bought doors or upgraded their surface area garages, etc, right? Anything else. Before we move on. We have a couple of matters from staff or from commissioners. I I didn't put this on here, but I have been unable to attend the past 2 because of business trips. But I have gone to the special events. The Town Hall, which was really interesting, was anyone else at the Town hall. But yeah, it's exciting for David there, which I thought was. I thought that the update on Sunday. She's really great, just the depth of it. And I know she went long, but

[100:01] I had no idea about a lot of those things. So that was new for us, and also thought that Michael Doherty's update was also particularly interesting, because we don't really engage with that part when we talk about the policing. So that was a great event. I encourage commissioners to go to future Town Hall events. I am looking for someone to perhaps fill my spot with going to the bid meetings, because I a little bit less flexible with my schedule and the upcoming months, and I feel bad missing them and not being able to find an update. So we talked about rotating mice, mate, and I haven't talked to you about it, but we know that. So it's every other month. The second Thursday from 8 30 to 10. Yes.

[101:04] it's in the morning, anyway. So yeah, like that works that works for you. Yeah. yeah, okay, so are you interested there? Yeah, taking my, yeah, non voting seat this year. It is ex officio would be nice just to formalize in the minutes if we could have a a vote to confirm because we want to do the same thing at the meetings here. You're a second awesome. No objections, no objections. Then, I had reached out to all of you before that agenda setting meeting that we do on off months, and I forwarded those to Ellie. I might just note that we didn't hit our agenda. We did talk about having the Dmc. Was interested in how we can encourage a more proactive and experimental approach to filling the second floor office vacancies. What strategies are in place

[102:24] either for allowing owners or adaptive properties, marketing, outreach rent, reduction plans, tax offsets, simplifying the planning process, etcetera, was one item we had brought up proposed hotel has thinking about retail stores and restaurants that are already struggling while we're building a new place. How do we support growth while adding new capacity? And the 3rd thing was having getting ahead of the curve with the sundance stuff for what we might need to do, as the Dmc. For planning for events and parking, and all the stuff you know the boulder person that Stephanie just mentioned have wealth of information. And just how might that impact? Things that would touch the Dmc, so those are 3 things that

[103:12] I brought up, and they didn't funnel down to our agenda. And so I'm bringing up under matters from commissioners. If I'm not stating who sent me those anyone can speak up. Do we want to have more discussion around that? We are ahead of time. this for future agendas that was supposed to be for today's agenda and I brought them up, submitted them, but they didn't come through to our agenda. And so maybe. Chris, or how do we do that? Because we did have some things we wanted to talk about that didn't. Yeah, I was the conduit. I was not the receiver of the necessarily the information I was like. I gathered information so that I could come to the meeting with with

[104:10] I haven't done that every time, but so I was like, let's let's make sure that I am getting. I'm not just setting the agenda. We are all submitting stuff for what we want to talk about, and so I didn't know if you had sent it out to everyone else, or that just came to me, or who requested that? Not you. You're saying someone else correct. Oh, I send them out, and I send them out, and the chairs and the vice chairs, so that those are the people who get to put on the agenda for each meeting of the chairs and the vice chairs. And if we want to open that up to other people well, I was because I don't want to be a dictator. Sure. I opened it up and I became the voice for the Dmc. Saying, Here's the things we would like to have addressed. And they yeah. And so I'm just stating they weren't. Were they discussed. So again, I wasn't at the joint

[105:06] missions agenda setting meeting that happened last month. Where's were these brought up at that meeting? I brought them up ahead of time so they could be dressed there and then. I honestly now, that was like 4 weeks ago. I don't remember the whole. That would have been the venue if you didn't hear them at that meeting then. That would have been a good way to make sure that. Hey? Where did those things go? And that's why I'm bringing it up now. I'm not upset. I'm just trying to make sure that, like I did reach out to the team. We did submit things. And then I was like, Oh, right. did you get the response that Jennifer and I sent through. Yes, but I don't know that everyone got it, because again, I can't get CC'd on everything. That was the second floor office strategies for oh, that was that! That was Bettina's response. In that. Appreciate it. I feel like I go to a lot of meetings where I just sit. And I'm just presented things, and I don't know

[106:11] when there's an opportunity to other give an opinion. So I don't know. Yeah, like, I guess I'm still confused. Yeah, I guess I am confused. I could have spoken up more at our joint agenda meeting, but I put the stuff ahead, but I put the stuff in it ahead of time, and I was like, and I, honestly, I just can't remember because it was Matt. Not everything that we request gets on the agenda, right? It has to be so. Everything that. So when outside of this room and you have a quorum, you're just individuals providing input and suggestions. In an ideal world. What would have happened is those suggestions would have made it to the list of agendas for the chair and vice chair to consider for the agenda, and think about how much time each topic is going to take. We have 2 h that we've scheduled for this time together. Staff is going to have our own agenda of things that we need your advice on our work.

[107:15] Then there, you know you have. Certainly we make time for the Commissioners to talk about the things that you all find interesting to talk about while you're together. And but it's that joint agenda meeting that would have. And again, I think it was out of town. So sorry I missed that. But we yeah. Matt was trying to keep things together because he was new to him, so I think I didn't want to throw wrenches at him lost in translation. But what so intentionally anything that we hear from any individual person who's, you know, on the Commission, or even the community that's like, Hey, this is an issue we can bring to the master list of of topics to possibly add to the agenda. If that gets to be 20 things, I presume that the facilitator, the chair, is not going to want to try to tackle everything at one meeting, so that would be the opportunity to consider the suggestions and say.

[108:08] and this is what I want to tackle. It matters from Commissioners at the next meeting, and facilitate that, so I can see how the snafu of it all, with Matt running it, and he was flustered enough trying. Yeah, he's doing a good job. But you know, wasn't this like you've been a thousand times Was the off meeting that I you can attend as the vice chair. We have the off month ones where we meet at one on Thursdays, where we plan the agenda, and they do it all 3 groups at the same time. And I do get to see the other groups. But we don't really interact. We're just like. Chris, you guys don't know this. Chris says, here's what we're going to talk to you about. Everyone gets these topics. Ej, you get this. Bill gets this, you get this, you have anything to weigh in on that. So there's kind of like we all get a subset of stuff.

[109:11] and then we all kind of get like stuff that's specific to each one of us at that time I can chime in and say, Oh, you would like to talk about this, and I have done that in the past ahead of time, Ellie, before that happens, Ellie says. Commissioners, send your things you would like to address to me ahead of time, which I did do. That's when I pinged all of you. I was like, I haven't done this. I need to do this. I can't email you all at the same time email each separately to say, Hey, give me your agenda items. I submitted it. I did not. I can't remember if I follow it through at the meeting, but it didn't also didn't come up at the meeting where hey. Dmc. Is actually suggested. These 3 things. Maybe we should talk about it. So it was. Maybe I could have brought it up, but it also wasn't on the agenda then for us to debate how much time we should talk about.

[110:00] So it's kind of like, maybe I could have done more. But also balls drop that it wasn't brought up for us to consider. It's not a big deal, but I'm just trying to formalize. We wanted you, you and I did, and we wanted to talk about him. Then we ended up talking about some of them and not others, and then I think what would be helpful maybe, is that like, if there are things Eric, or Justin or me like Hey, I'm curious about this topic. Then we like earmark it for September. We haven't heard from them in 6 months. Let's earmark that from March it's hard to keep track of that right, like all those things. So I'm just wondering, like Chris has talked to me at those meetings. Do you want the police to come this time? And I, we've talked about it. But we've also said, No, we're gonna skip it this time. Yeah, we normally have a cycle where we, the police, comes every like 4 months, right? If there's topics aligned to our priorities and high interest.

[111:06] we should have some cycle of updates from them for special topic. kind of category, where you have a topic of interest, Erica, that there's like, well, maybe, as a group here. Do we want us to hear more about second floor? The Tina sent me an email. I don't know if you all got it. Do we want to talk more about the how to fill office vacancies. And what can we do? Is adapting properties, marketing outreach again. This is a and gentle little bit to what the Dmc. Does, but it is kind of a big thing, because there are people there when they need to partner I'm interested in this topic. I did feel that, like the update from the chamber was a little bit like, just doesn't sound like we're doing that much. But maybe that was just the messaging like, not particularly proactive in this, like huge strategy.

[112:00] Those I know that we've never had to do this before, like actively recruit. Hope that. So I'd be interested in the Chamber coming back. I know I missed that one. We had an update from the Chamber to specifically like months ago. 6 months it runs I don't know. So I'd be interested in like when we when there's a high priority area, there's like some cycle which, when they've made meaningful progress. They present it to us. And that was one of the areas. We had just a bomb check from that one meeting, too. Yeah, we were back there. But I don't want them to come here, and, like we have nothing to present. No meaningful updates like it should be tied with some like big initiative where we could be involved, or want feedback or something. So I am interested in that. I'm not here in July, so not interested in that for July. But yeah, if there's meaningful updates from the Chamber on a strategy in progress there, I mean what you heard meaningful.

[113:06] Yeah, I don't want them to just like, Come, just to come right? Yep. Second one was basically as we look at building this new or authorizing or having input on this new hotel. How do we support places that are already under visitors is kind of basically the tenant of this question. Does. I can speak to that as a person who submitted that that was me. So I'm just super curious. I just everywhere I drive that there's this new project. Great, this like idea of it retail on the bottom, with some with the main focus on above it. I just see vacancy. So I'm just curious. I'd love to see before we keep throwing more money into these ideas like, I look at the apartments across the street from the golf course

[114:00] on Arapahoe. All of those spaces are vacant down there. I look at the Moxie. They have Mr. Oso, who is, I think, trying to get people in in the coffee shop. The other 2 retail spaces vacant. I yeah, it does. It doesn't. No, he specifically said. He thinks of it as a community space downstairs that just happens to have hotel rooms upstairs. 1st floor will be commercial. They are owning the restaurant and the bar. They're not. They're not. It's not going to be a big space. You don't know. I look at the daily camera building, and I'm like Burton just left because their rent doubled, and that was like a big surprise to people. I guess I would just like there's that new building near Microsoft that Microsoft is. Maybe I don't even know if they show up they can. So I'd like to see a successful

[115:10] we're like. And and then I just look at like the apartments at like 55th and Arapham, or wherever that is across from golf, and I'm like, who's supposed to be going there besides the people that live there. And why? So I think in theory, I just keep seeing these ideas of like wouldn't. Doesn't this sound nice? And it sounds really nice? But then I don't. I don't know. I just I don't want to see. And then I feel like all that I hear is that all these businesses and restaurants are complaining about sales, and then we're like, let's build more places with more restaurants. So I'm like, if the people that are already established are saying, business is bad, then we just keep opening up new spaces. I mean, we're looking at vacancy rates. I guess I would just like to hear

[116:01] like, whoever makes these kinds of decisions on approving the where, where did they come up with? Was it was this supposed to be? Were these supposed to be filled by now and creating tax dollars? We don't have any like planning and also like economic development like you have to develop to bring in new business to increase revenue. Otherwise we'll be stagnant like this is part of the economic strategy of the city like this is not in any city like if we don't develop. if we don't develop new spaces, we will paying rent, then? Well, yeah, no. I I mean, it's just another thing we have to maintain and deal with the transience in front of it and deal. I guess I'm just curious. I so far would love to see a success story of thriving retail on the bottom with this new concept. Pardon me for interrupting. Yeah, I just wanted. Yeah, I'm trying to get us out in 4 min. Here. Yeah,

[117:00] you have a vote. I'm trying, you know, on what we do. Is there something you would like to happen so that you can be informed? Or do you have a question if I don't ever get to like? We don't have influence on these 3. So then, yeah, I guess then, that's really helpful for me to know as someone who's kind of new. I guess I look to Chris like you heard her. Is there anything that? Or do? I just have to dig around and read articles myself, or go to meetings? I'm asking my subject matter expert here. Well, I think Commissioner Trees has pointed to. There are lots of opportunities for any individual in the community to be involved in these types of issues. It's not necessarily the charge of caged in this commission. Not that we can't leverage or entertain possibilities to leverage the resources that we manage to help activate spaces to a certain extent. That's why we've done things like the static claim. You want

[118:06] businesses to be filled in spaces. That's a that is a much bigger task. And I don't know that we have the resources to actually start filling spaces with maybe spots. And well, I just so. I want to acknowledge that I hear your your concern, and that that's an issue in the downtown. I don't know that this Commission yet has a lot of leverage over resolution. We can get some more information because there are folks that are working. Maybe the one area that I can see just I'm not trying to play sides. I'm just trying to facilitate this conversation. We are the ones to approve selling that property. And so maybe that's where it does enter into your conversation on that, without maybe hearing more information on how other projects like that are working now.

[119:03] But I guess around. I guess I don't know. Willing to do that. And just I thought he was here so we could have asked him about that. Well, he's not. He's the hotel, he's not. What are we doing? It's kind of it. Does piggyback on the second floor office. They're very similar requests of like, how can. We are building more stuff. How can we activate what we already have? I think the purpose of our role is we. We have a form not like every other citizen, to like address concerns and to drive into like advocate and support like. It's more than reported by council. That's a privilege right to be able to have this form to, to share our opinions and thoughts. preferably on behalf of businesses or other citizens. But I think that at least that's how I see it. And I've seen my role for the past 5 years. It's like, I do think we have more influence than they have versus, and being on this board right? But that also just means that, like, we're asked to give our feedback and our opinions hopefully, to speak for more than just just ourselves.

[120:12] What I hear you saying is, you don't have enough information to be able to make a vote based on some of these things. And so that's, I think, what we can do right now is this. you would like more information about how does this impact all these other? Because we do get to vote on the property sale to agree here, and your decision on that, based on some of this other information. So we're all right. Now you can do we can do is just give that feedback to our. I think you can. I think you could. It sounds like you want an update on what the plan is for the 1st floor when it's available, because it sounds like maybe what I heard presented was different than what maybe other people heard, and that could change and evolve. And so you just want to be updated on the plan.

[121:02] Does that sound well? And as the Dmc. You can get some say on the parking. You could also have some say on, like what they do. You are an advisory board, so you recommend the actions that we take, and ultimately it's council that gets to be the deciders, and they will consider the sentiment of the Commission in the decision. So we're not voting on the project. We're voting to move forward. Yeah, I know we don't get her. I'm just trying to put in simple terms. Help Erica have a voice. She's asking for help about some information, and we do have some say on that property. I like to think that I'm absorbing what other concerns I hear, and bringing them to this meeting to bring light to them, and I don't necessarily feel like I have an opportunity always, and I appreciate it when you reached out to me. because, yeah, I joined this board to like list like, be an advocate for other people that aren't on the board. But then I maybe I need to reread what the board does. And if we more just listen. And just so, I'm trying to figure out when the advisory part comes in. Yeah.

[122:16] I'm sure you put on September. Well, yeah, it doesn't feel like we're at any meaningful point in that project where there is like, I think we're for me. It's like a general inquiry of like I'd love to know. I mean, I remember when they came through with the all of Are you pro or not. And then I'm curious. Now what was proposed, and has that come to fruition? And what was the expectation of that project? I just keep seeing new buildings come up and like for rent, for rent, rent for rent. And I'm just curious. Yeah, I don't think that that's in the scope of our commission, though I mean we we didn't. We talked about the implications of parking

[123:02] from that project, and that was the and we raised concerns. and some of those were addressed. Some of them, perhaps were, and I don't remember. And then so I do think, yeah, we have to temper, you know, with Olive. I can see how you little you know, although there was a variance on their bargain. And they're parking in my lot now. And I'm towing but because this is a property deals. There's the capability owns it does. We do get a little bit more. say, but I think enough, for now I think what I wanted to do is make sure your voice is heard. That was my goal. Here. We're not deciding it now. And I think you guys just know I wanted you to make sure it was sort of because it didn't come through going back to my original thing. The whole process of me trying to bring stuff up to the agenda didn't work really well this time, and so I just wanted to make sure we were all good.

[124:00] I'd like an update from parks after they present this summer. Something's happening big in the summer, right? The outreach, the engagement engagement. If there's like a meaningful update. I think that would be nice to cycle into like a September meeting, or if there's not by that in December, and that's what we worked in as an alternating police update and a person rec update every meeting. So that's a big project that we should stay. Yeah. up to speed on and hopefully, implications for Cajun's responsibility to provide parking for. Sure, I think the one just one thing to close Erica. I have liked. We have given feedback in the past to the community vitality team that we like to be asked questions earlier on in a project lifecycle to feel like we're we can kind of not be just brought in at the very end. So I I do want to say that we. We have appreciated that in the past, and I think that you would probably, or maybe I need to ask for like someone's audience, I need to maybe ask questions to some of these

[125:04] people, you know, like Brian from community reached out to me after that meeting was like you. You have a really interesting opinion that I haven't heard from anybody yet, and I really appreciated. I sat on the bench with him for like 2 h, just like, yeah. He didn't know the daily camera building, the story behind that he didn't know all these things. And I was like, Wow, let me. So, yeah, I guess I'm just like, I just. I'm looking always looking for discussions. Yeah. And maybe I just need to readjust my expectation. And I'm okay with that. But it makes you feel better. I totally forgot you even like asked. And then it wasn't on there. So it just goes to show that I put that intention there and then we're all trying our best. Oh, do I hear a motion motion.