January 13, 2026 — City Council Retreat

Transcript

Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[33:07] me is, how did you find that? Sorry? Erin, I think I can interpret what your face has told me, but how did you find that? Uh, I'm tired of hearing myself talk. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Did you find that as it went on, your thinking changed, or your delivery changed? Or did you say literally the exact same stump speech to all these fine people? Other folks? But I did really enjoy hearing other folks' prayers. Fantastic, okay. Anyone else? Yep, Tina? I'll just hit over here, so… I really like the different ways we interpreted the question. Uh-huh. It was great. I thought it was a great answer. Fantastic, yeah. That's an unfair competitive advantage for those that get to run for re-election this year, because they've got a massive leg up. Really unfair. I failed you, that was my bad.

[34:06] Alright, that's get it all. I was just noticing as we went forward how. I think you did consolidate everything, but also, it did shift, because I heard other people. Interesting, you started to incorporate some feedback as you went on? Interested. Uh-huh. better, I think. Uh-huh, yep, right? I liked it. Uh, one reason I liked it is because I think having… here, just one-on-one. if it's a different kind of discussion than if somebody's hanging into a microphone else listening to it, so it just… it's… I think it's… Yeah, well, it's… we were able to get more of, like, the essence, I think, unless somebody's really trying to do it. Yep, Mark. I started with a particular point of view, set priorities. I found. And we're expanding a bit, because some of the comments. that I heard very compelling to me. Excellent. All right, okay. Play. Uh… How hard was it just to sit there and listen for 4 minutes? Did you want to jump in and agree or ask clarifying questions, or were you able to find ease in the listening?

[35:13] So, bye. Okay. And I'd like hearing what… Every council member has to say, because I had… We're all gonna be working together, and it's just nice to, like, get a feel for the… Thanks. Anyone else? Anyone get kind of twitchy? It's a long time to not talk. Yeah. Uh-huh. Never like this. I've never got a silence I couldn't defeat. It is hard. And so, part of the reasoning behind it, right, is to really invite you to give your full focus to listening to someone else without trying to find your own. rebuttal, or your own, you know, counter opinion, or even the form of your own agreement. Like, it really is a different way to listen.

[36:01] When you know you… not only you don't have to respond, but you don't get to respond, you just sit with it. And here. So now, I saw you all taking notes. Now I want to hear, what did you hear? I don't want to hear the long list of things, but did anyone have something where you're like, wow, that was a new, cool idea, or… literally every single person I talked to had some version of this. Anything like that, this is for you all, not for me, just anyone here, some juicy stuff? Yep, Matt. Um, a theme I heard, and I thought, how you should have encapsulated it with two words, is urgent and important, but I sort of heard that kind of from everybody. There's a… there's an urgency to some of the work in front of us, given. the threats and everything that. We don't have control over, but aren't impacting our team. Okay, excellent. Yep. Kind of following up on that, but just, um, this recognition that this isn't a typical year for many of our students.

[37:04] And it was interesting. will start to elevate the internet of communication this year. But how are we getting more information, critical information, to the community? Uh, and sharing that out in ways that are compelling and get people to be more informed about everything that's happening within the city. I heard a lot about finishing what we've started. Especially when it comes to getting our city's finances in order, um, and. a lot of people who are focused on monetary, um, discrete changes, just given. Let me turn the short time we have together as this council. Um, I was going to just say that, and one of the things that Matt, I appreciate what you said around the policy versus the operational aspects, and just some of the alignment across the city plan and the city. uh, staff plan and the council priorities, and the final balance between all of these.

[38:01] Anyone else hear something? Yeah, right? Um… I've heard a few people talk to that there are existing processes underway that are, uh. going to be influential. Vpcp and the long-term financial strategy plans. Two of those, um, but just that there's a lot, um, both for us right now that we can… It should work on, and I suppose related, um… Just, like, a desire to, um… Very practical, and also to give value to the, uh… the work underway that we've already… that has already been started or approved. But there were this hunger for updates for, and just, like, really working in the ecosystem of things that we're doing, and having kind of more fidelity. Cool. Anyone else? Yep, Tara? I'm… Still thinking about the affirmation. Like, communication, and one council person. idea to do, like, animation, but I would say cartoons.

[39:05] like, simple way to get. They… what we're doing across the Hope City, because people have a short attention span. You know what we know, but other people. A lot of the things that we communicate are very… Uh-huh, yes. Interesting. So, I like that. Of all the things, I just… I'm thinking about the. how to give to people, and then… 2026 animated web. I love that. A nugget. Good nugget. Anyone else? Yeah. The piece that I… really hadn't identified that I heard from several people was. where we are nationally. The climb out there, and the anxiety. uncertainty of the future, um. It's just… it's kind of, like, impermeating our society, and I see it within the letters. That was definitely brought.

[40:05] I had to work turbulence compared to a number of times. All right, anybody else? One was this idea that, um. that this year we need to be thinking about the long-term equity and how this boulder stay relevant? sustainability of the city, which came with some safety issues, but the idea of relevance. compared to other cities, I think was just really interesting. For loss? All right. Um… Thank you for doing that. Among the goals was to have you, again, get to know each other a little bit better, practice that active listening, but also to get a better sense of where you all are. in advance of this conversation about priorities. Because there are a lot of things that are urgent and important. But not all the things can be equally urgent and important, um, because something has to rise to the top.

[41:05] So the challenge, then, is. What are the most urgent, most important things that you as a group. want to get done in the next… One year. not a long time. So, before we jump into the prioritization conversation, I wanted to give Nuria a chance to just set the stage for us. Anything? Maybe you already said it to all these people one-on-one. But maybe for the rest of us over here in the cheap seats, uh, let us know, sort of big picture, what do you want to have on our minds while we're thinking about the priorities? Sure, uh, staff has heard me say a lot of this before, um, and some of it I mentioned, uh, if we were going through it, but… Uh, I think… A, I really appreciate these conversations as we move forward, because we don't always get this time to have a conversation between council and staff, and. in terms of what is that priority, because you're right, if everything's a priority, then we do nothing really right. Um, because we can't do it all. Um, and how do we pick and choose, right? And we try really hard.

[42:04] Uh, not to come to you when it's not snow all the time, but how do we. think about what is on our plates, and what do we prioritize, right? Because we can do anything, but we can't do it all at the same time. So we've been thinking about that a lot, and. We've got staff here as you move throughout your day that are gonna have Price is Right style, come on down and answer your questions as you need. Um, but what we're thinking about, and you've seen a little bit of our work plan, and so you see what's on our current minds. Some of that really aligns with what you're already thinking about. Um, like, those, uh… As we were talking, we've heard me talk a lot about, um, our long-term financial strategy, because frankly, we can't do any of this without. of the money in which to do it. So, uh, financial stability is really important in continuing that work. And then the BBCP is a critical part of our work that's really good. shape what our city's gonna look like in the future, and that is before you this year. So, continuing that work is big.

[43:00] It is no secret that Sundance is coming to us next year, and that is gonna take a lot of time and energy as we prepare for that. The benefit of that, too, is that it's a really good opportunity. Some of those small improvements. Um, that you've been thinking about, it's an opportunity to have a look at our processes, we're going to have a lot of vendors coming in, we're going to have a lot of community coming in. It's an opportunity, really. really rethink some of what we do already to improve on some of the great things that we do, to change some of our processes, so… Well, it's going to occupy some of our time, it's really going to be a benefit in the long run as well. So, we've got that, that's really going to be on the horizon. Uh, we have staff working on a citywide preparing for a citywide strategic plan. You know that last time that we brought that forward to you, we. sought forgiveness, uh, as we did that on our own, that is not going to be the case for the next strategic plan. As we think about that, we will be probably coming to you and boards and Commissions, uh, likely Q3-ish next year, because that's going to be a 2027 thing, but we're going to start.

[44:04] with you all in Q3 of this year, so be prepared for that, and we've got to prep for that as we move forward, so that's on our mind as we think about what the next iteration of the strategic plan is going to look like. Um, we're looking at, uh, exploring… we've got a variety of things on that big, large work plan, um, some things that you have asked us to move forward. We're exploring a variety of economic tools, from DDA to metro districts to BURA to a whole variety of things. That takes up a lot of, uh, discrete staff time. A lot of CAO's time. a lot of our newly formed office time, cultural and economic development. Um, a variety of things in that nature. It is not lost on us that recently we had a major power shutoff, and so as we think about that, we cannot not think about flying back and what our relationship with Excel is. Uh, so that we're going to be continuing that work. We just got off of thinking about the Homelessness Roadmap, right? So that work is going to be continuing to move forward, so… There's a variety of big, big items that are continuing to move forward. We want to make sure… I know that there was thoughts about how do we not lose some of that in the year. We want to make sure that we keep you updated as that moves forward as well.

[45:19] Um, they're just random things that we do, right? There's a 9-10 month period where we start preparing a budget, right? Their staff time is doing that. Um, as we get all of that moving forward, that they're preparing and aligning work plans and getting budget prep takes a lot of time as that moves forward. There are. Uh, Florida Commission's appointments, but your calendars will be filled with regular call-ups and quasi-judicial things. So, just in your calendars that we used a variety of everyday items. plus all the things that perhaps are below the iceberg, that just are the bread and butter of, uh… organization that supports community. So, all of that is going on in addition to what we'll be talking about today.

[46:02] And then the icing on the cake is that we have an election year. Um, and so… Well, not to say that election years don't color our work as we go forward, but there is some of that. Uh, and so we know that that is something that we will have in the back of our minds. Um, as we get closer to that, uh, election time, um, and what that will look like in terms of ballot initiatives for new. Um, how that will move us forward, what community will think about, um. pushing you on in terms of priorities themselves, and so… You've got that. So with that, I will say we've got a full plate ahead in a one-year term. Cool, thanks. Yep. All right, Council, you will recall… That you, um, were invited to provide up to 5. Um, proposed priorities. And then Meg's, masterfully combine them in that sweet Word document with this great summary.

[47:02] And then you force rank them, and again, these are the rankings. You have these on a handout in your little blue folders, if you don't have those. on Memorize, which you would be forgiven. What we'd like you to do is to each, in turn. tell us, um, what your priorities are. Here's how that's going to go first. Before the talking, we do the talking. Once you reach two dots. And you are going to come up here and place your dots. One by one. on the items, that is, first, your first priority. Everyone will go up and put your dot on your first priority. Then, we'll do a second round, and you'll put a dot on your second priority. And Nadia's gonna turn these around. Also, when she's done giving you dots, and you're going to be able to do it, just, you're going to have your own moment up there. But you're gonna look at them, and you're gonna be able to place your dot. Wherever you want, without everyone looking. But what that means is whoever goes first has the least context.

[48:07] And whoever goes last has the most context. So, the order will be this. I'm going to bring you all… A playing card, no, we did this before. Hi card will go first. For the first round, one got. Then, low-carb goes first. For the second round, and the second dot. And then, we will turn around these things, we turn those around and make sure there's a safe walking path for counseling. Um, and then we're going to look at them and discuss. Who has questions before we get into it? I can suggest. Mm-hmm. We have 5 different items relating to wildfires. Mm-hmm. It is not difficult to try to consolidate that into the market. I think, yeah, two things dealing with bikes and e-bikes.

[49:04] I'm just unmuted on top of it as well. Nori, that's an area question. I think, I mean, generally that would sound like a reasonable thing. The problem is that each of the… well, it's not that it's not… each of the wildfire topics has something different. There's a different topic to it, so if we combine them. It would make for a huge priority. So the focus of each one is slightly different. So, I would suggest maybe, as you read in the bigger packet, the summary has a very distinct focus, so taking a look at those and figuring out which of those. Thanks, because putting them all together may get us into the Super One, which we're trying locally this year. I think I didn't hear that comment. Brian, I called it a multi-first, right? Impress. Thanks, Ryan, welcome.

[50:08] Alright. High card goes first! You notice, like, shows the hearts because I adore you. You've got a ton of hearts. Kind of heart's a high card! All right, Tina, you can place one dot. Yeah, you physically come up here, walk around, pull one dot? And then sit back down. And then whoever has… The 9 will go next. Right? Okay. Here we've got this. Wait. It's like clockwork right now.

[51:06] Seven's next, right? Number 8, right, Ryan? Yep, 7. Yeah, we'll make sure. Yeah, but you get a good one. Yeah. 6. 6. Bye. Beside?

[52:11] 4? I just said, interesting. Great.

[53:12] Must be here too? Yeah, because now you start the next round? Yep. Do you have advice on if we should, um, put more than one dot on? You may do what you like. You may do as you like. Right? The theory. Obviously, someone who heard this story about the year that, um, Matt Apple and I had a two-hour conversation about dot prioritization methodology, standing outside the library in a snowstorm. I was like, I think you're overthinking it, man. It's just us. Love that dude. Alright, sweet. We are outside, isn't know.

[54:01] So, if you're wondering, among the things we're hoping to give you is a little bit more comfort with your own thoughts. It's harder to do when everyone's watching, where your dot is going. 4. Um, and also, uh… I have noticed a fair amount of. What could be generously called negotiation, and less generously called peer pressure. And you're all standing around there with your dots, and this is just… You do you. Sound great, yep. Bye. Suspense. Nicole's, uh, 5.

[55:00] Are you telling us if something gets done? I am telling you that this is what we're doing right now, 6. Yes. 7? The old school voting booths where you would go in, and you'd pull the crank. And the curtain would close, and like, I just tried your moment, oh my god, I miss that.

[56:09] Are you 8? Okay? Good night. Antenids. I know, right? It's very so exciting.

[57:03] No, if you could tell us anything. Oh, that's 15 people. Alright, so there we go. All right! Um, the most dots, we have power resiliency, including timing and barriers. Given all the things that y'all have been through, that is probably not a big surprise. multiple ties with two dots, quick fixes to the form-based code for East Boulder. Two dots on residential vacancy tax, two dots. on exploring our new authority to modify the CHIP credit, and two dots on public safety for all. Items with one dot. Scoping, uh, future efforts to reform or rewrite Title IX, transit strategy. Bicycle security and theft reduction, sister city language update, and accelerate efforts to address.

[58:01] Um, commercial vacancies, oh, and wildfire home hardening implementation. Oh! Interesting. So, one thing I'll just ask you to sit with for a minute is the things that are on this sheet were the ones that were the highest rank when you were forced to rank them against each other. And then, when we, uh, release that. constraints, it changes just a little bit. Isn't that interesting? What I'd like to do is to get each of you two-ish minutes. emphasis on ish, but not a lot of emphasis on ish. To tell us why you put your dots where you put them. Here are the things you might want to be thinking about. What was in your mind when you set me your priorities? Thing one. thing, too, what was in your mind when you did the force ranking of everyone's priorities? Thing 3. What did you hear in this room today that was new or different and might have informed your thinking?

[59:00] And that might get you to bank 4. Tell me about where, uh, about where you put your dots and why. Um, does anyone want to go forced? Don't have everyone, tell me what's fantastic. Aaron's gonna go first. So, I was… Uh, number 3, so there are already a few dots out there. I just put them on things that did not yet have dots to make sure they were part of the conversation. They're also things that I care about, so… Residential vacancy tax had not yet gotten a dot. And, um, addressing the virtual vacancies had not gotten a dot, and so I wanted to make sure that… I'm not sure exactly how you're doing this with me, Heather, so it was a little hard to gain, but I figured anything with a dot got to be part of the conversation. So other things that were also important to me already had dots. And when enumerate them all, but there are a lot of them. Um, so I figured I'd make sure there… these other couple were parts of the conversation. Thank you, sir. Next. Here. I chose things I thought could get done in less than a year.

[60:06] Okay? And we'll hear from staff in a bit if, um, they have perspectives on that, but that was a simple and guiding thought, I love it. Are you all having eyes right here? Okay. Thank you. You know. Um, I chose, uh… Our resilience, because I feel that we need to have a better understanding of where we go from here, and we still just don't know. on what to do, and it's so critical this week. Also, I chose the residential tax because it's short-term, and it saved. We have to wait for 3 years to run a tax to the 28 election. And that was part of my thinking, but I have, like, a lot of equipment, and I liked your strategy. I didn't think about that. Okay. There's no charge of good ideas up here, that's for sure, right? Next? Yep, Mark. actually put both of my dots on how reservation. Oh, wow!

[61:04] to be the most. pressing and consequential issue that we're going to deal with. And, uh, I wanted to make sure that it got appropriate attention. I agree with, uh… You know, they focused on. Issues that could be done. Here, that was great. And that is my priority as well. And… looking at the overall… set of priorities. Next. Cool, nice. Um… So I may have gained this out incorrectly. Can you think about that we would only be talking from this moment forward about things that have dots? I can say that. What I… no, no, no, I get it. Okay, so where I was coming from was more, uh, things that I really am interested in hearing a little bit more about from the people who had kind of put them forward, right?

[62:04] And your sober needles, she thinks were the power of resiliency, um, including timing and barriers. I'm just curious to hear, like, what does that look like? Because it is an issue that a lot of people in too many households and businesses are really trying to figure out right now. And that's one of those essential. things that I think we can help with this year. Uh, so that was one. The other was that since there's any language update. Um, and I'm interested in hearing more about that, uh, as somebody who has a sister city that is completely inactive and has been inactive for 4 years. thinking about things that can be kind of quick, discreet. Uh, things that we could work on, uh, that to me, just curious to hear what that might look like, but it is something where, you know. do I just kind of keep having a sister Cindy that's not inactive? Like, when we're thinking about council committees and the workloads that we have, and how we're spending our time, what does that look like? So, anyway. Curious sisters. Lots of family dynamics there. All right, who's next?

[63:06] Yep. Um, I also tried to… scope something that breaks within one year, but I will, um, admit. Mine didn't have a dot, so I selfishly put a dot on it. Um, but I also put one on the power resiliency, because. That's what I've been hearing from patients. I'm fascinated by it. I think it's, um… Or the clients that they're moving into. But I do like the idea of… people putting dots on things that they want to know more about. I think that's a great idea. Alright, next. Yep, um, my… thinking was that there's so many great things up here that are well developed, so what… What are the things that will be the simplest and also have the multiple benefits? I chose the transit strategy partly because we have a process underway with… to give input to the county, and I would love to see that just come before council so we can have a chance to weigh in. On the investment side.

[64:09] And this will affect all ages, all needs. It will have overlap with wildfire issues, wildfire resilience, give a two-burn for the goals in terms of throughputs. Um, so that was one. And then related on bike security and, and, um. protection, so we teed this up with the AMPS parking policy last year, we didn't have time for it. Um, this is both about reducing bike theft, but also about making it easier for people to buy all kinds of things that they, that they, um… vehicles that they need for all ages, so that's meant to be a big… the multi-benefit. Thank you. Hey! I hope you laugh, yep. Um… So I chose… Uh, doing the tip credit, um… And the main reason for that is, you know. We have an issue of economic stabilization to focus on, and whether you're a worker or you're a small business who employs, you know, a dozen or two dozen workers.

[65:05] stabilizing some of our economics is going to be really important to deal with some of the existential issues, um, and, you know, how do we get workers and businesses to weather the storms that are in front of us, and so I think that conversation's going to be an important one as we continue to move in cultural and economic development. So that's going to be a big one for us to want to continue moving forward on. Um, the other one I did was… Um, scoping efforts, um, for perhaps reforming or rewriting Title IX. And I did this with sort of deliberate, because this is actually an… this would come late in year one. Uh, with full understanding that, um, we gotta finish the comp plan, get that to mostly buttoned up stage. And so, this, unlike a lot of priorities that would probably need to be front-loaded in this year, based on other reasons, this one wouldn't really get kicked on until the latter, uh, third or latter quarter of the year, and so, um, I think from a timing perspective, it makes sense to just begin that scoping as we wind down the comp plan, and then it sets up the conversation.

[66:03] of the 2027 retreat. So we're equipped with the information to then make the ultimate decision of do we or do we not pursue this? So, um, it's not a big priority. It's actually really small, doesn't take much effort. Um, but it's a nice thing to sort of set up that conversation for a big go-go-go decision. Thanks, alright? Sure. Yes, um, so I put my dots on the public safety for all. Um, both of them on there, um, because I assume that somebody would put one on boot systems and urban agriculture. I was wrong. It's fine. Um, so that's for some I'm wrong. I look forward to being vindicated this last time I put them next. But I really think deeply about what are the gaps in the conversations that we've had and the policy work that we've had since I've been on Council. We haven't talked about. At all. Um, and we've watched our community struggle at the end of last year with the uncertainty of SNAP.

[67:25] to be able to do the work they need to do. The idea… items that have been identified are low-hanging fruits and would not take a lot of staff time, um, around, you know, houses and shading and those kinds of things that allow us, as our heat is increasing, for them to increase more and not use as much water. Um, for the public safety, uh, again, we just watched somebody get shot in the face. We know our federal agencies are working, not all of them, but many of them are working against us. Um, and, uh, I continue to hear from marginalized communities that don't have a seat at this table on many of our boards and commissions, or any place where our city's decisions are made, um, have been consistent about their concerns around public safety. It's great to see the both police oversight Panel evaluation coming up. It's great to see the task force.

[68:13] on data security, but those are still Interlay, and we need to make sure that we are including our communities and build the trust per day around. My only reference for this, um, who talks about accountability and transparency being the key. Thank you. That was perfect time. And part of the last word, perfect time. All right. Couple things. Kara was like, so the ones that don't have your thoughts, we're done with? Maybe. Here's what we're gonna do. I'm gonna give you a chance to sort of do where Nicole was leading, just ask each other some questions on the items that do have dots. Like, what did you mean by that? What does that look like? And then, you're gonna go to lunch, staff is gonna gather their thoughts, and staff's gonna come back after lunch and just give you a sense of how they understood these things, both in terms of, do they share your understanding of level of lift?

[69:00] Um, timing, whatever, right? And they're prepared to do that, right, Maria? Sure. Because they're so smart. Um, then, after you hear all that. I will give you an opportunity, which is optional, and in no way mandatory. to elevate one of these undotted items for further consideration. Or, as we heard by email and some conversations that a couple of you had, like, some really juicy new ideas. After you submitted your priorities. You can share those. So that means we could have up to 9. Each of you may choose to either do nothing. That is a fantastic choice. Applaud that choice. Option 2 is to elevate something that doesn't have a dot, or option 3 is to give us a new idea, and Nadia has more secret notes, and we'll write. you will do this same secret dotting again, but what you should know is for that second round. Something has to have 5 dots to move over into our conversational pool of things.

[70:04] So you'll need to really be intentional about what that looks like, um, because then you'll be making really informed choices based on. Where the rest of Council is in terms of priorities, what you hear from staff in terms of lift, one-year work plan. A lot of stuff already happening. So that's where we're headed next. Chair. I didn't realize, when we talked about dots, we were actually pushing up our yard. Just ask us what… Why do we put our dash where we did? So I just said that, but then a lot of people… I'm not saying it's wrong, but a lot of people said… went on about their priorities again. So do you want to say some more? Yes. Okay. Okay. The quick fixes, I know all staff is laughing at the word quick fix. But I just want to say that if we can get one or two. in terms of quick fixes to the East Boulder, um. or based code, if we can just look at what Planning Board said, and just take one or two things they said that will be quick fixes to make it better.

[71:06] I like the form-based code, but I feel like it was unanimous that planning board said it wasn't perfect, and there could be. Okay, so I say, let's just pick one or two things. I can think of them right now, but that's not my place, although I do have one point. Um, let's say we decide to do. Massing or setbacks. And let's say we decide to do roof lines. Those two things, let's re-look at those in a quick way. So I know staff's going to come back and say there's no such thing as quick when it comes to that. So, I'm already pushing back ahead of the pushback. Free pushback? The pushback of the pushback. All right. Probably Aaron is the only person who remembers. When Suzanne Jones said at a retreat to do ADUs and OAUs, that was a quick win. Do you remember that? I'm just saying, like, tread carefully, people, they're on a quick answer. We're forbidden to use QuickBank. Right, right, it's like… Okay, did you want to see it? Yes. How many dots are we getting next time? Two.

[72:11] So that means, at most, 3 things will get fired. That is correct. Mm-hmm. Yeah, right? Yeah. Alright, yes. Question. Did… can you remind me the second… the next time we put up dots, after we hear from staff on this question. Uh, yes, so, can we ask questions about things that don't have dots? why don't we prioritize our time asking questions about things that do have dots, and then we still have time? Yes, how about that? that also… Are we going to have time to talk through our priorities, because. Would take a lot of planning and thinking about that. So, um, I'm just wondering if we have time to pitch our priorities. Or even one or two of them. Correct.

[73:00] Yes, I can accommodate that. Okay. Okay. a good question. Yes, good brief. I love you guys. It's… I'm a little confused at why we have this sort of. secretive process that we only learn what the process is when we get to the next step, rather than knowing what the whole process is. For instance, when we just talked game output, you just said about the next step of two dots, that means only 3 things will get 5. You said 5 is what then becomes a priority, so we're only picking 3 priorities. No, no, no. The second round, when there's 9 things. So then you'll have, at the end of that, up to. You'll have these that have dots, and however many survive that second round. Which will be up to 3, possibly 2 more. And then that's probably where we'll at the end of the day. Staff will give you one more set of updates on whatever survives that second round. And it's because I don't know how many things there are going to be, I don't know what the process is yet, but I… I'm thinking about that. So, so we're picking a few initial winners today, and then we'll come out and finish the rest.

[74:09] Thank you, that was a great summary, swear. Fantastic. Alright. Nicole, you said you had some questions? But start with… clarifying question that anyone has on this one, you had one. Go. Yes, yeah, I was just wondering if somebody could say more about what this is, what the outcome, um, what does this look like at the end. Whose priority was this? Anyone want to own this one and tell us what you meant. Tina. Yeah, so, um, this… and I pulled up my notes. Um, so the idea with this one is that. And as I just was kind of speaking to it. I'm unclear how we move forward as a city with Excel. to define who's responsible for what to get the resilient pieces in place. And so, for instance. I hear that undergrounding is like waiting for Goodell. Go back to… Instead, create a system of generators across the community, and ActionDase has brought up, should that be part of this bill, that you can do a monthly lease on a generator on your home?

[75:08] So, to completely charge, you know, with creating global energy sources and generators. Who are to detect that cell can take a more proactive stance on graduating so that we can self-. getting educated in 12 hours to shut up. Similarly, do we need to get a micro-grid strategy much faster and try to push it locally? And get more in play. I think we have one or two that's in play right now, but… Maybe we can focus on that, because it's just really charge related. And what we can complete from Excel. And I think this is a conversation with Excel, what can… what are you really going to give us and when? So that we can plan around. But we could see what your commitments are. Because right now, it's just too unknown, I think, for us to be able to develop our own strategy. So with the, um, would the outcome then for this year be that?

[76:02] You'd understand. We have been… what we are going to. Exactly, okay. All right. Any other questions on that one? Any questions on, uh, quick fixes for the form-based code? He's folder? Good? The name of our city is misspelled on that. Nadia Bowler! She lives in Bowler, too! Well, I mean, out of 30, if there's only one Taito, yeah, clarifying question? Yeah. Uh, there's a… it's the goal of this year to identify what some quick fixes would be, or to come up with some and. implement them, right? Well, that's really… that would be really up to staff. Obviously. But… The goal for me is to keep those fixes.

[77:03] Beast's fault. Because we don't want to rewrite the entire form-based code, for good sake. But I think that if something… doesn't seem to have the… Let's… you feel good about this from the entire planning board. They've already picked two things. It's like, call them, I do my homework. then I don't know if we just say, okay, we're gonna do this soon. But I kind of want to do it before all these projects are… So, but that when it's really up to Steph, but I want to keep it really concise. As to what… Plan board, uh, talked about. Okay, so basically that… to use this to address the problems that planning board put forward, because it's one of those good. That's right. Okay, you'll have more from staff. Yep. How would you evaluate the cost benefit of that? Because I think trying to do quick fixes.

[78:01] It seems like a fair amount of those are actually quite substantive and maybe challenging, and so do we… Because doing quick and small, does that really create a whole lot of outcome that's worthwhile? Well, but again, if it's… so I just… to me, I'm a little cost-benefit. Is it substantive, and if it can't be done in a year, then are we… is it worth pursuing this? Well, let's say that we don't have buildings are forever. Let's say we don't have step back in the core base code. Let's say developers will take advantage of that and just do monolithic large companies. It's up to us if… really, as a council, do we think that that's okay, or do we think it's an emergency in substance? To me, it's an emergency. It doesn't seem like it's giving us an outcome we want. let's say we just cyclists, and… 6 feet of, you know, let's add. actual numbers into articulation of those things. I don't know, I'm not a planner.

[79:03] But… Does that answer your question? I feel like it is, but that's up to the city. More discussion later? ask clarifying questions. Alright, clarifying questions on residential vacancy tasks? Yep. Whoever brought that forward, could you say why? Well… Right? Why do you think that we should do that this year? I don't think I'm the only one, but, um, so one of the things that is really worth taxes. Um, I'd prefer to run a tax like this on an even term. So you have to do this pawn. And also because of some of the impacts of study lands, I would prefer to have this in place prior to the short-term rental effect at Sundance. And also, you know, if I drug something. bit of a connection with economic vitality. who covers most of our housing units to be. Um, inhabitants, for example, rather than a shorter time of the year, and also just quicker than 5%.

[80:05] It's there sometimes for the visuals. What was your question, Tanner? I can't hear it. Tim? What's your question? What was your follow-up question? Is there… I heard to the grapevine that. there might be a ballot measure about this from the community. That's a great point, and so I think Council might think about whether we want to shape the tax, or we want the community to shape the tax. And I think that's a really good thing to think about. Because I prefer… I mean, I've been doing a lot of great people who have ideas on how to shape it. I do like our legal department. Love them to be shaping it, but um… But we can also use and trust the community, so… Great. Other questions on that one? Yes. Um, my question is that is the only way that, um. is only a text. the only mechanism for… that's what I'm suggesting, and I think we've talked about whether it should instead be a pain.

[81:00] And, um, I already talked about a few days last summer. I think this is probably. I think this is a better solution, because we don't have to go through the nexus study process, which is, um. I have solved issues. that, but… but the little council. Questions on exploring our new authority to modify the TIP credit? Yes. We're just exploring. But we have a new authority from the state, so we can choose to. do nothing, or we can choose to look at, are there options. in front of us. Um, so it's not a mandate to do something, it's more of, hey, we're gonna do this. There's some legal questions we need to pose, which we can't until it's a priority. Um, and so those legal, uh. Answers may dictate, uh, perhaps we can or cannot take, and then we can present some options, and by exploring those options, either ultimately decide we want to go down this path or ultimately not to. So that's the exploration. It's not a mandate. We will set a new policy on TIM credit, but it's an opportunity for us to have a discussion, open the legal discussion.

[82:08] get that vetting, and then lay out some. Uh, possibilities, and make a decision from there. And just a follow-up question there. So, when we were exploring an increase to the minimum wage, that was a 3-year process. Like, what's the timeline from, sort of, when… when we start the exploration, bring back the exploration, to when we have something that we would be making a decision on that's… Are we talking, like, 3-year explanation, or exploration like it was before, or are we talking… Like, do you think we might have something to get by the end of the year? It would be to start this in earnest. Mostly because out of fairness, if we were to set a new policy, you'd want to do that before the wage. January 1, 2027. Um, so last time we did that in October, and that was kind of unfair to everybody, because it was late and after most had planned. So the goal would be to do this in the summer time frame.

[83:01] Um, we… because the last process was a larger regional one, it required more time, because there were more partners. This is just us with a small subset of workers, and we've largely already had those larger wage conversations in our community, um, and so it should be a much more truncated… and I think, reasonable one to have a shorter conversation and perhaps have something done in the. Uh, you know, by June or July. It was, uh, just a… I should, um… last time, it was… it was our council that asked for, like, an economic analysis to be done, that sort of thing, as part of the exploration of raising. The minimum wage, and so, um, I guess that's what I'm trying to get a sense of, is like, is exploration just sort of, we get some options, and then we make a decision? Um, on… on whether we'll do something or not, or is it, you know, really to, like, explore the economic impacts and all the things that we put in place before we raise the minimum wage? Is that the kind of thing we're doing, or… Does exploration mean something different this time? I think this is behind the folder of what they… of what any individual wants, if they want to have extensive analysis that's a decision that I think Council can decide whether they want to pursue that analysis, or if there's enough.

[84:07] information from all the previous analyses and what we see in front of us to make the best decision we can make. Um, given the urgent challenges that are in front of us. So I think, uh, the exploration is a discussion as to how far and how much and how far-reaching. Uh, we pursue this if we choose to. So, I don't think that's predetermined. I think that's a conversation for all of us to decide whether we want to make this a multi-year process or make a process that's a little bit shorter and give it to, perhaps, a decision made. Again, you might get some more context from staff after lunch on that as well. All right, um… Questions on public safety for all? Anyone have them? Mark? Yeah, there's not clear as to what the scope is. Mm-hmm. Who proposed this one, and you want to give us a scope? Yeah, I did, I'm more than happy to. Um, since the CA… the CAC.

[85:00] tends to lean on, um, requests and approve requests that are… requests that are aligned to our priorities. My fear is. If it is not a council priority, we will find ourselves in the same situation we found ourselves in this year, where we didn't talk about public safety. At all. And so, therefore, I am lifting this up to ensure that we have a time to talk with ourselves, as well as the public around the two very critical. Um, emails that Nuria sent this weekend, one around the Boulder Police Oversight Panel five-year evaluation, and the second is around the City Manager Task Force on Data Security. Thank you. Oh, that's good. You envisioning this as a… study session at them, or an action. Well, uh, it would be a study session item, however, again, because it's not clear to me what the scope of the evaluation will be, although I did appreciate what was shared there. Although there wasn't anything, uh, related to previous Council panel members in that scope.

[86:00] Um, so one is just making sure we're getting the scoping of the evaluation in a place where not just staff. But in addition to staff, our council feels good about what we are investigating. So there's one, and then I can see another possibility where we can potentially make some changes to the ordinance. Um, that might be urgent and important that may come out of some of the initial findings. Of the, uh, the piece there. In addition, um, it is my understanding that the SLOC contract will be renegotiated in March of this year, and I would love to have more community input on, um. on that process, given the current state of data security in our country and in our community. Yep. Can I follow up? Yes. No, okay, that's the… Okay. All right, clarifying questions on wildfire home hardening implementation of?

[87:01] It was very popular in the ranking. Is everyone going to make. Okay, wait, oh, time to go ahead and question. Um, so… I'm curious, because we had a conversation, or a community member brought up some of the community resilience hubs. Um, and just having that, and I'm just kind of curious if this is specific to. I mean, I know it reads specific to wildfire, but if there's any kind of scope or stretch that would also… I just, uh… That would be a lot of hugs, so I guess my question is, how does this align with the community resilience Hub? That would be more… would be inclusive of wildfire, but it would also include, like, if there's a power outage, if there's this, if there's that, um, just some of the other uncertainties that we're having around, um, that's being included in those resilient hubs. So, the scope of the hub. Council who proposes, anyone have an answer to that question off the top of your head, or that might be a staff question? Or after lunch. Here's a clarifier, just… Because the Community Resilience Hub, I gather, is a physical.

[88:08] is physical, like, it's actual infrastructure a place to be. I'm not sure that that's what the wildfire Hub is not a physical, it's more of a digital information hub. Same word, so I just want to… Yeah, I thought you were talking about… That was it, thank you. How to communicate, how to get… creating a hub to organize all the hubs. It'd be more like a dashboard place with that tiles versus the physical? Yes, yeah, I do. Um, and I'm just wondering, again, I'm trying to just understand how it's different from the wildfires. right, uh, website that we have. It's just that… when people go to find. materials, and why they're doing these things. They don't necessarily remember why they're doing it.

[89:02] So I just wanted to create an avenue to really educate people, so they knew the why behind the how. And I wanted to consolidate everything from, like, the watershed, from the colony, the city, and just put everything in one place. and have it designed for, you know. Honestly, you know, short attention span, because people are busy. Uh, so they can go through that, they don't have, um… Your, uh, detailed poem assessments sitting in their drawer. And they're just froze because they go to McGuckan's or Home Depot. And they ask what materials, and they can't really tell them. And to communicate with them. And then, um, as, uh… Tara said, I would love to have some animated videos just to show people why. they're doing this, and show them how fire actually enters into a home, enters into the built environment. Um, so that they… You know, they know what they're doing, and they can kind of prioritize their home. And I would also, if I can add just one more thing, I would love to have, like, a financial calculator on there that when you get your detailed home assessment.

[90:12] For your particular home, what is the best bang for the $2,000 in the city and $500 for the county? That you can apply to target your specific home. So, just those kind of tools. So, Council, we're at lunch, you want to take a few more questions, or you want to finish up questions after lunch? Keep going. Keep going, fantastic. Who's got a question on bike, uh, security and theft reduction? Right? Any, uh… Nicole, you already alluded to a sister city language update question. You want to clarify what the question is? Yeah, I was just wondering if somebody could just talk a little bit more about what this. It's like… what do we do for our estranged sister city? groups. Uh, well, this is a cleanup, and it's an interesting one, because it's… really focused on, um, something only the Council could do, so our assisted relationship is driven by Council.

[91:08] Whereas a lot of things are not. So to make these changes, we do need to provide that direction. Um, you know, the idea is to… in our current, um, resolution, if you were to Google it online. does not include 3 or 4 of our sister cities, um, and we have them in other piecemeal agreements. And then we also have some ideas that. We should be having annual reports to make sure this is for cities in compliance, or whatever, this is for City International Agreement. We're not receiving those, and we have some that aren't. Okay. I said something is to have a more consistent process for all the sister cities, and then. We can also look at things like, do we need liaisons for each one, or could we establish a small sister city committee that would be. the place where all sister cities go to. So, um, and the key rule of this one is.

[92:00] I don't… you know, we were talking about Persia. It's maybe not urgent, but the problem is I don't know how to initiate it, unless it's through a council priority. Because it's a council that exists solely within council. If that's correct, I don't know if I have that right. Yes. Clarifier, yep. curious if this could be something… I'm looking at legal, um, that would go under the Council procedures, and not necessarily council priority, because I do feel like it's more procedural than it is, you know what I mean? Totally. So I'm just curious if that's… I mean, I know we're having that council procedure conversation tomorrow as well. Yeah, that's a good question. Uh, certainly Council could decide to. enshrine these things in procedures, but. The resolution? What a hearing isn't updated to the resolution. And council procedures, um… Potentially, as a place to store these, but they'll… that doesn't change the scope of the work still needing to be a council priority.

[93:03] The work… okay, level of effort. Yeah, thank you. Okay, so… Yep. I'm just thinking, since there's, um, a few different things we could be doing on this. We start with cleanup. Feels like, if there's something that's, um… not aligned with just our current reality in the… Resolution or code, like, can't we just at least get that done? Like, is there part of this that we can get done without needing? No, look at me! That's an after-lunch conversation when staff is going to scope these for you. Thanks. Alright. Um, clarifying questions on accelerate efforts to address commercial agencies? staff's already doing an immense amount of work on this, and so I'm wondering, like, what's the delta here? In terms of… already the work they're doing versus Accelerate, is it take what they're doing in 6 months and make it 3? I'm just trying to really wonder, like, what is the real ask there?

[94:03] Um, given what staff is already doing on this front, with great urgency. Anyone want to speak to that? Yep, Chair. Well, I'm going to add to that, since, um… I have question two. Since staff is doing that, so when I wrote this, with the help of staff. Um, develop a team to provide storefront reps, and our big vacant spaces. filling those vacant spaces with creative industries from the art field and micro-businesses, etc. is that… and then, of course, I added Exploring Fast Track Permitting, which I know you're laughing fast. and permitting. take that 4 off, but that's where I'll be headed next year if I get… That was not a real election suite. Um, so what I'm going to ask staff to do is also say. Can we just do this anyway? But we have to use one of our priorities. So that sounds like a clarifying question for staff for after lunch, and not for Council at this time.

[95:04] Staff, looking forward to hearing a thoughtful answer on that. Any other clarifying questions for the Councilmember who proposed this item at this time? If not, you'll hear from staff after lunch. Uh, scoping, uh, future efforts to reform or rewrite Title IX, other than, um, that's a nice thing, so it gave us your context there. Anyone else have questions on that? Okay? Questions on transit strategy? Yep. I was just wondering, uh, the person who did this could clarify the scope of what we're talking about here, like… Are we going off and free through the transit strategy? Like, what's the… What are we doing here? Great, so, uh, impetus was, last summer, I was reading a beautiful, wonderful report on broadcast on market transportation and mobility team, and I had a question about transit, like, something going on there. How many people live within, say, a 15-minute walk of frequent 15-minute transit? And the answer was, well, some aspects of our transportation work, we have a pretty deep strategy, like Vision Zero and our bikeway network, but we actually don't have, um.

[96:07] you know, that level with transit. So, the good news is, this year, we are going through. with the county, we're giving input to the county, as are other municipalities and other places, on a county transit update. So my thought is, this is a chance to just simply, um. provide a framework that would have council input on what do we want our transit system to look like, and. You know, with some… some gap assessment of where are we now, where does it go. Um, the minimum viable product is not much more than that. Um, I don't know, maybe it's a single meeting with Council, maybe that's it, maybe there's more to it. In the submission, there's some more detail that I invite staff to look at, but um… Basically, it's just to help make sure that process is already going on has Council's input in an appropriate way. It would also inform the agency.

[97:01] Can I just follow up? So, um, so it sounds like this video, but the county's already doing this thing. Can the county bring that to Council for feedback? Yes, yeah, I would say our staff, or staff bring the county. Yeah, yeah, yeah. As representatives. I think that would be sufficient. Yeah, okay, so do we just have a chance to talk about it. Yeah, I mean, I'd like to get staff's input on if that's the right mode for us, but I would certainly… I would… Got that I check that off. Okay, so, like, study session. Did you have a follow-up on that? Yeah, that was my question. Great. Peter. What's the timeline for when they want to have the plan completed? Uh, the first hour. In the county, when does the county want to have this plan completed by? Stop looking forward to hearing about when the county wants to have this plan completed by after lunch. All right, fantastic. All right, I have the question. Can we ask questions about these? Let's take questions about these after lunch. Um, when you might have them. If any questions on any of these items?

[98:01] Now, y'all have questions on these. After lunch. All right, here's what we're gonna do. The time is 1210ish by that clock. I want to give you 30 minutes to really sit with your lunch, um, and visit with each other if you want to. Staff, if you have further clarifying questions on any of the items on this sheet for Council members who might have proposed them, please prioritize getting an answer to your question during lunch. Um, Council, if you're still eating when we reconvene, totally fine, because we're going to be listening, um, to staff, uh, for a little bit on these items, so don't feel rushed. Um, I would like for Council and the folks at this table to be first in line for lunch to make sure that they get, um, their needs met, and then the rest of you can take care of. Um, the rest of you basically feed staff at these things. Um, I think… Of those all the things I had to say about lunch? Okay, great. Yes. So, someone had asked earlier, is anyone cold? And I said. As a middle-ager even, I didn't hate it, but… Your wonderful city staff is working on this problem.

[99:04] There's a mouthful. Let's say the mandates a building must be able to sustain 8 to 68 degrees. There's a memo that stated that exclusively. So, yeah, we will see you back in your seat at 1240. Thank you, thank you.

[130:44] A work plan consequences, like if you were to prioritize this, what might that mean for some of the other juicy things? That are on the to-do list, but Nuri, before we bring up directors, wanted to start with you? Sure. Um, and it was really great to hear where the thoughts were you were going, uh, on some of your thoughts. We, um… Continue to look at this. I'll say a couple things before we really bring the people that you want to talk to, which is not big, no.

[131:09] Uh, in the audience. Um, directors, I think, note their work plan the best, um, and so they will be sharing a little bit about. What that would look like, um, really honestly, in terms of timing, right? Uh, again, and there's… We can do everything, and something's gotta get, right? And then there are things that may not be a year work planned, right? So, if there are things that, as scoped. are larger, I ask folks to share that, too, because we got to know that in terms of not binding future council and making sure it's a one-year priority. Um, as we move forward. So, I'll ask folks to say that, uh, as we move forward. The other thing, um… I will say is that… Um, in particular, and we'll get to some of the specifics on this. If there are, um… there are some items, too, that will have some of our, um. folks around this table talk to. If there are items that impact other departments, and in particular, perhaps, Teresa, I'll look at you.

[132:08] But so many of these things, like we involve legal in your department, has to review a lot of this, so I'll ask that he let us know as well, because that starts to overwhelm our entire service. departments as that looks forward, so making sure that we're thoughtful about that. And then we're going to keep an eye on you, and I'm looking at you, Mr. Benjamin, on trying to stuff together. Um, because then that starts to expand us to know. I'm not doing my… Go back. Okay. Yeah. Ask a couple questions on non-dotted items. Prior to stat… no, staff will come back and answer questions on these later, after you… Even if we wanted staff to… okay, yeah.

[133:07] Let me ask you this question. Will you want to hear from staff on these? Prior to that second round of diving. Yeah, so let's let them talk about these, and see where we are, and then we can figure out that. Yeah, that's a great question. Okay. Um, Norena, who's on first? I believe, Carolyn. Carolyn, come on down! We're the first contestant on, here's myself, Council. Well, thank you so much! Power Resiliency, including timing and barriers, all about Excel. What you got? Oh, well, first, um… Uh, Carolina, Senior Manager, Climate Initiatives Department, Jonathan sends his regrets, he's. He's… well, he's not really regretting. Yeah, so… accidentally planned. Yeah. Sorry. Um, yeah, so, um, I certainly appreciate this as a cast priority. It is at the top of staff's priority list as well this year. Um, we've made a lot of progress in the last couple years getting agreement from Excel to make substantial investments, so… We're certainly on ready support council priority in this area. I think it would be helpful. We can come, you know, however that's coming to Council, holding a study session to dive deeper into how Council wants to be involved.

[134:27] getting clarity. I mean, from my perspective. It's for sure necessary for us to get. selective community clarity around what Excel does have planned. I mean, they have. Part of the applications in flight, things that will make it better, but it doesn't address everything. Um, and I do think that we want to understand, like, the things that aren't being addressed are, and understand what the community's tolerance is around those. So that we can, um, figure out what the best solutions are. You know, I think. I think we can certainly see de-scoping of PSPS and EPSS in the future in those outages.

[135:02] Um, but that's not the same thing as some of the wind-related damage we saw from trees and other impacts on power lines. And so. Um, certainly we're here to support that. So, questions from Council, if that's helpful. Yeah. Uh, she talked about. the generator issue. And we got a lot of emails about that as well, and it affects. You know, figure out how the restaurant lies. Would this be part of that? Because that's the most important thing to me. be that I don't… you know, Excel's gonna say they can do X, and that team said, now what could we do? Yeah, let me take that a few ways. So, first, there's a situation we're in. in this moment. Um, which is a aged system that presents some real and meaningful risks in terms of wildfire threat. And then there's the system that's going to be. They're in two to three years, as Excel makes the changes that they're making. And I think everybody.

[136:04] These made their own risk-based decision around that? So, yes, I mean, I think backup power. Um, but I think the first place to understand is what their risk is before they make those kind of investments. Um, in their infrastructure. I don't think the state and what this community has been experiencing is the acceptable. long-term solution, just to clarity, right? I think. We have to expect change. And before we have, you know, hundreds of… tens of thousands of people going out to buy backup generators, and I think we want to make sure they're informed about. You know, is that a generator for a future sake? our PSPS community versus. Yes, in certain areas for 10 years. I think we need to get clarity, and then provide the support to the community that solves for what their long-term issue is, and. What they want to invest in. Maria. Carolyn, would it be fair, then, to say, perhaps, that, um. if this were a council priority, it would be.

[137:00] Sort of thinking about, uh, creating a study session or getting clarity on pay where Excel is. Uh, where we think they're going, getting input from Council on what you're hearing from community, what do you think. And then thinking about what that looks like in terms of solutioning, or potential solution, once we know what that horizon looks like. versus perhaps immediately thinking about what those solutions are, that would be part of an equation, but knowing what the horizon is first. Correct, okay. And then also understanding, I think, we have a, you know, a near-term need in understanding how we can best support the community. We are planning. Uh, some deeper engagement with the community through the course of this year to understand, you know, where the needs are served and seeing what are the best sort. Versus long-term solutions as well, so I think that's part of our. collective, I'm looking at my friends out here, um, work planned for this year as well, understanding that, you know, if we just experienced an event. This is an important time for us to learn.

[138:00] Where people were successful, where they weren't as successful, and understanding what's within the city's. plane to be able to… to try and help with versus what we need to lean on at Excel to solve for, or how we need to empower community. to make different decisions on their own. If you… contemplate that the scope of this. A priority would also involve. Some direct input from Excel. Yes. So, direct input from Excel, it would be anticipated as part of this exercise. Or to the incoming. Certainly what we can do in our community, but… Also, just, uh, state legislation and changes that need to be made. So, like, for example, right now. Um, it is far cheaper for Excel to just cut power to half the city in a PSPS. to mitigate the risk of fire that might have started, but they might be at fault for, but they would then have to pay a lot of money for, right? But they're not held accountable, or there's no mechanism for asking them to reimburse people for.

[139:10] lost food, right? That's not just for our small businesses and restaurants, it's families, too. Households that already can't afford food. I'm losing a week's worth of food, right? So, um, thinking about whether there are capability mechanisms within this, so that it actually that there is a costume. to not do this for the primary for longer periods of time when we have these dangerous conditions. Yes, I agree that… the… I mean, those communities that are in the risk area with the riskiest infrastructure are disproportionately impacted by this decision. And we certainly want to advocate. in the POC rulemaking, as well as potentially through legislation for compensatory measures, as well as solution, right? We want to change the state, but also make sure that.

[140:01] Um, it's recognized that communities like ours are harmed. to the benefit of all rate payers, because they're not bearing the liabilities of wildfire risk, we're not. it's not our infrastructure causing downstream communities to burn to the ground, those types of things are really important. And yeah, we need to look at… I mean, it is a disproportionate impact on our community, our residents, and our businesses. We pretty nice to talk to people. So, um, in terms of… You know, at the end of this year, or at the end of this council. We have if we pursue this priority? What would this include? Yeah, I would say we have a very clear understanding and plan from Excel of what they're going to implement over the next. two different years, um, including this year. to, um, and what saved the system would be in. I think we would have an understanding of what vulnerabilities remain. As a result of those changes, and then likely a set of strategies that we would want to pursue. I mean, I think somebody said earlier.

[141:08] Uh, you know, just using underground as an example, like, if we truly believe that undergrounding is a solution, and Excel is only taking us so far, then I think we have to have a conversation as a community about how to finance. Um, going farther, as an example. Do you have a question? So, let me just understand things like the scope would include. Ultimately, deficit Council would have a policy… Can you get your outside voice, please? That is fine outside. Uh, I mean, I… And I'd say it's part of why I like this priority. I think it has both policy and budgetary implications that would be shorter term. As we try and address this issue quickly. I agree. I agree with that. One more question? So, building on Nicole said, just make sure I got this, so there would be an intergovernmental policy aspect of this that would include those legislative, state legislative.

[142:00] And, excuse me, PUC regulatory. So somehow that would come to Council for… Yes, that would be my opinion. I mean, I think this… When we talk about the electric system, I mean, it's integral to everything, and every day of our lives, and… And it's not reliable at the current state. I want to acknowledge, too, that we've got our Director of Ops Management with us, Mike Chard, and so, like it or not. Who moved into this conversation as well. All right. Everyone have a good understanding of this one? We've got more to talk about. Yep. Carolyn, thank you very much. All right. quite fix this in a form-based code for East now, Boulder with a D. We got that tossed in. That was something fixed. Right? I was like, I got this. Brad, come on down! You're plastic.

[143:00] Well, good to see you, Council. Always appreciate the. you know, opportunity to have a direct conversation about. the work that we are doing, and also appreciate that you. So, there's a whole lot of other work, so it's always a nice discussion. Um, on the East Boulder subcommunity plan, uh, you all know, or I think you all know, that the. 55th and Arapaho project that you all just approved. That's the first one that's run through under these builders of community plan. So, um, we've learned things, as we all did when we go through processes, and we had already identified even more, uh, planning board had mentioned it. that there are some process things that… not process things, code things that, um… would benefit from some clarification example being. Uh, different ways to interpret permeal versus impermeable. open space. We recognize there's some tweaks there that are opportunities. Um, that being said, uh, some of the things that were identified by Planning Board.

[144:06] Uh, we're very much immediately after that. And, um, we also had then, uh, the subsequent week or two, their letter writing, and we very deliberately did not try to. you know, speak to that too much, because they were brainstorming, and obviously we respect their. ability to convey whatever message they want to them, but we do. respectfully disagree with some of their characterizations of the outcome, and also the solutions for that. Not that they might not ultimately be good, but some of them would have unintended consequences. Um, that probably need further bidding. Uh, so in that regard, it could actually be a bigger project than just making changes. An example would be. Uh, the setbacks that were talked about, uh, the actual context was the setbacks of the courtyards.

[145:03] And, for example, if there were an objective number that had to be met, or even. subjective one that would have moved it 2 more feet. That would have lost something like 10 or 14 units on the building, because you can only squeeze the balloon in so many different ways. Um, same with the pair foot height. Reasonable people can disagree about whether it should be 2 feet or. 4B, or 6 inches. And we would make the argument that it's context-specific, too, and if you start creating very specific numbers like that, you end up doing planning as a page by number. And that does not give you the results that you want, uh, campaign for you, so… Um, you know, we would want to be able to have a robust discussion to talk about when it's appropriate. Um, in the context of the quasi-judicial decision-making, where you all say in this case, that carpet's too big or too small. Um, also what might make sense on something that's a street.

[146:03] facing building versus something that's maybe an atrium building or something like that would all fit. So, uh, we are already committed to making some changes to address things that were ambiguous. We want to have a follow-up conversation with Planning Board about. what specific things might need to be addressed. Um, but we think that's a conversation, not a foregone conclusion. We also recognize that this is just the first building out, and there's usually. A good argument to be made that you get one or two of these out of the ground before coming to conclusions. This is 250 units out of the vision, 10,000, so they're, you know, there is opportunity. Um, that being said, you know, we recognize that, um… that this was a council. item that made it high on the list for happy to talk about specifics.

[147:00] Thank you. What I would recommend, what we would recommend is, uh, let us. Uh, we plan to follow through on the things that we've had. I know that we have not got discussions with planning board, and know that we. take that input seriously and recognize the concerns. They even… clear decision about what to change. Oh, my second… Um, so, I guess what I'm hearing is, if this work is moving forward. What would be the differentiator of making this a priority? It sounds like we would have to come back to us if there's any policy recommendations. without… if we did not make this account a priority, there is still a strong likelihood, based on the research and our team are doing, that this will come back as Council for consideration if there's any policy changes necessary. Or discussion, because everybody may agree on what a monolith is, and what the right solution is. But yeah, we're committed to.

[148:05] making the tweaks that we know were part of. ambiguity that came out of. Probably the first one of these. Uh, but on some of the… bulk standard kind of policy things that were suggested that's… Definitely larger conversation, so maybe not a… QuickBooks in that sense, so… Thank you. Tara and Latina? I just have a question when you think about the changes you're looking at, are those changes that would have resulted in a different building than the one that we were looking at on Thursday? the changes that were already… Yeah, probably not. No, it probably would have. simply clarified or not made any comments. I don't know if. Charles, do you agree? I don't think that would be fundamentally a different building. So it'd be the same outcome, but there'd be just a clear process to get to that same place. Yeah, I think there'd be a little bit more prescriptive detail in the regulations.

[149:08] you know, rather than leaving it up to the applicant to design. Okay, and so to get to a slightly different outcome, that would then have to be the council priority, probably? It would, and I… you know, one of the. observations I would make is I'm not. I don't know that there's consensus about what the outcome is yet. Obviously, nobody's seen the building yet. We do have better ribbed rings, those were sent by the applicant too well recently, but they're better in the sense that we think they're more accurate in reflecting the actual. you know, look, but even that is just a regular thing. Thank you. Sarah, and then Nicole? Okay, so a few questions. First of all, um… Just, you know what I was talking about Arapaho? Yeah. So, you didn't… you recommended that they didn't have to do those step backs, because they would lose units.

[150:00] There are step backs in the approved plan… Not in the front, barely. Uh, on the wrap-up side of things, yeah, somebody's… I'm gonna have to phone a friend, Charles, or… Pearl about how much setback there was, or KJ and the graphical view. I'd have to look it up, but it was compliant with what's in the code. Yeah, I know it was compliant, but my point is, is… You said that we would lose 12 to 14 units, like, so what? So, uh… That's your goal, not to lose all 14 units. Michael, let's say, is to have a prettier facade that is… has more, um, delineation inside that we have two different kinds. Right, and that's where we'd have to crack open and see what. the priorities really are. What I can say is that the process that led to, first, the East Boulder Community, uh. sub-community plan, and ultimately the form-based code. prioritize certain streets over others, and density over other things, and in this case, the.

[151:00] key frontage was 55th, because that's envisioned as. you know, future, um… high activity center and not so much Arapaho, which is right onto the bus, uh, you know, rapid transit area, so that… That was the primary, uh, frontage. But that… that's an example of the things where we would have to. bet that with counsel, bet that. Go back, potentially, to the community and say, well, you know, is this the trade-off that you mentioned or not? I guess what I'm saying is I'm not. We don't know of unified, uh. Values that that is. Shouldn't have had as much. So, what I'm… what I'm hearing is a couple things, right? And just, uh, in my simple brain, non-planner brain. is form-based code did exactly what it was supposed to do in this circumstance, and if you want a different result.

[152:00] Uh, you have some quick questions that would not have changed the result, and if you want something different, that would mean going into form-based code and doing something different. Would that something different be more than a year? And what I'm hearing is, like, yes. Would it be that knock other work out? It would, and uh… it could be 2 years. We would recommend that. We have heard that a greater priority is to look at developing sub-community plans for other areas of the city. Um, we've heard that. Need to, you know, give it a chance to see what other buildings come like, but if that were ultimately a council priority. We could do it. We would be… we would be cracking open today. A couple quick reminders. We are not having the policy discussion right now. We are trying to figure out right now is make sure Council understands the scope. Of the proposed item, and the consequences to the existing staff work plan if they were to prioritize it. So, Brad, just quick following up on Aria's question. If Council were to prioritize this item as you understand it.

[153:08] Can you just absorb that? Yay, or there are consequences to the existing work plan and other things would slow down or be stopped? Yeah, I think it would have consequences to comprehensive planning, which we envision doing implementation at the. a plan following this summer. Uh, and that speaks to… speaks to, uh, uh, that certainly speaks to other sub-community planning, and then, of course, Carl. is going to be reacting in the team for code changes, too. state and other priorities there. They're already identified. Great. Uh, Terry, we got some questions? You want to have the policy discussion, I saw that. Okay, well, she does not next. Nicole's next, and then Tina, and then Mark. Be brief. One of the things I heard you say, Greta, is this was sort of a first case, but it's from Forward. How do you expect there may be this year? Well, we don't have any currently in the hopper. I don't know if we've got any sense of others, Charles, or anybody else.

[154:12] No, you're not. So, kind of both for… For mixed protocols to alfound also. It's the same… it is the same form-based code. It has some nuances in the differences. I don't know if you want to speak to that, Charlotte. Yeah, I hope also has its own. Or base coating. Different than what was crafted for this folder. But would it likely result in the building alcohol? Uh… Well, no, but not for the reasons you're asking, because what's planned for Alpine Folsom is residential, uh, on. Mostly not Major Street frontage. The main building is the one that's there already. city building. They don't have an approval cycle yet. We do, yeah. So what's happening here has already been… it's included, right? Yeah, okay.

[155:10] Mark, do you have a question about the scope of this item? Yes. Fantastic. It might just take 2 years to make. Small changes through the year. Well, because… Uh, at least at this point, it's not clear that there's consensus on the changes. If we all sat here and said, yeah. It's absolutely the thing that needs fixing. Yeah, that's a relatively small change, assuming that there were not afraid to say. make some changes. Why would it take 2 years from that clinical? If there was a not of 5 that said, change the parapet and make it a specific number, and do the setback to a certain number. That would not take 2 years. We could do it quickly, but we would advise you of the unintended consequences of that. And there's not consensus about what that should be. So, first you would have to define what the changes are, then Council would have to come to some convergence or agreement around what the specific change ought to be for each of those variables. Right.

[156:08] Then you could bibbidity bobby-boop that into the reality. Got it. Okay, you just thought me, because my whole office running. Okay. Alright, any other clarifying questions for Brad on the scope of this item? I just asked staff if I missed anything critical. Cool. Uh, Theresa, do you want to say anything about what does get to your office, how it's where that potentially is? I agree with Brad that it's a two-year program. no matter… no matter what configuration of parapets and setbacks, it's just because it's a lot of legal work. Um, no, because getting to the parapets and setbacks is a robust conversation. Fantastic. Thank you, ma'am. All right, um, you're not up next, are you?

[157:02] No, you're not. Okay, thank you, sir. Go down, residential vacancy tax. Residential vacancy tax? Oh wait. And take that one. That's super easy. Aha! Alrighty… Hi! Good morning, or I guess good afternoon, Mr. Morrison, Chief IQ Officer. So, if Council is interested in this priority moving forward, I think we have the framework and a lot of the research was done last year. Sure. Charlotte and the team will be bringing forward as part of the long-term financial strategy. ballot measurements for you to consider for 2026 summary timeline for that is February, go to the finance. a strategy committee. And then, um, we would need to state council in May to talk about the broader validations as a whole.

[158:01] So I think we have a lot of the work and initial analysis done on this with the city attorney's office. And this is something that we could bring forward in 2026 for further consideration. Uh, I agree. I would… uh, remind you that. where you all left off last was a… decision point around tax versus fee. Yeah, yes, um, because there's a possibility that a community group will do a petition. To put it on the ballot. Is it possible to… To move up that meeting slightly so that they know whether to collect petitions or not, just as more of a timing question. Yeah, I think the timing is a challenge because we want to get, uh, to fund our future conversations, which will happen in the spring, and we're thinking March-April timeframe to help inform what might also go on the ballot.

[159:04] So that's really what's driving the May time frame, is to have that broader conversation. on what goes off the calendar. Other clarifying questions on this item and its scope, right? I totally raise my hand yet. She looks curious. Well, I've just been thinking about what Teresa said about. tax fee thing, um… There's a lot in that. Yeah, there is. Maybe Nicole's gonna help. From… we've been doing a lot of work on thinking about our long-term financial strategy, how we fund sustainably, equitably, resiliently as we move forward. Um… There are other things we're considering for this year, other things that we were considering last year. Um, what's the problem if we go in one particular direction?

[160:01] Um, do you anticipate that, uh, interfering with some of the other things you might be thinking about? have been part of our long-term financial strategy for years, in terms of what we're thinking about. And we know voters. They will not go for 10 different taxi measures, right? Yeah, thank you for that point. That is something to consider, is that… how many items end up coming out? So, the items that come out of them. the Financial Strategy Committee ahead, um. There are items we want… they want to bring forth, like the public realm tax. that we're gonna have to, you know, make decisions, policy decisions. Will they need to be made about. What's the highest and best, or best pricing there? And that's not even taken into account, right, what the county might be doing, what the state might be doing, what, you know, some special districts already two different ones in completely different ball formulas that are being talked about, so… Okay, yeah, that's a great point, thank you.

[161:03] Bat and then there? Oh. Wouldn't it be helpful, because you said we haven't decided necessarily if it's a fee or a tax, but will the fee become a next study. Um, would it be… Great, that if we were gonna have a conversation. At some point, to make a decision whether it's a fee or a tax, and then you just kickstart the fee timing. Based on the current schedule cadence you've laid out, we went down a fee, would that effectively nullify getting on the ballot in 2026? Just given the scheduling of the Nexus study and analyzing it, would we not then meet that time frame by when making a decision from the government? Maybe another way to say it. Might it be prudent for us now to just decide right now whether we want to… we are… if we are going to pursue this, we're going to pursue it in the form of attacks that your office knows the trajectory we're upon, versus waiting months to then decide whether it's a fee or a tax.

[162:03] And then we… if it's a feed, we then exited the 2026 option, versus just decide now. is attacks, and we just go down that track. Theresa's got that, I see Teresa. Yeah, so, um… Council is not permitted to vote. on… on policy changes at this meeting. Um, and that certainly is a policy decision. Uh… If the majority of council supported moving forward. The priority is the vacancy tax certainly would. Indicate that that is… the likely will of Council. So… Carefully heard it. Could it sequence like this? So that you can come back to us in February, I think you said, would be the next touch point where we'd be presented with the options. Um, and at that point, you could give more specific direction.

[163:02] about the next steps, and then to Nicole's point, in February, decided to move that forward. If it comes to the May plus timeframe, and there are 17 other taxes, and we decide this is. You know, not the one that went, like, would not happen, but it operates, so this next program. SIF priority would allow us to explore and make decisions around doing this 100%. having something on the balance in 2026. Yeah, all fair. That's fair. I think we could be ready. ideas that we haven't seen last year. Uh, we're not real connected with the long-term financial strategies committee, so I don't know what work you're doing. I think potentially you could see, um, some new items come through. A lot will really depend on the public engagement. around what we hear from the public about what their priorities are, and we're going to have some honest conversations about.

[164:01] Um, our service levels, what we can fund, and possibly some trade-offs. I hope that Council… the whole council is. is really a part of that, not just, like, because that sounds like a really big scope of work from. What I'm hearing right now. So, like, I mean, we don't even… those of us on financial strategists, we haven't met in months, like, we don't even know what is being considered or talked about, right? Uh, at this stage, but I mean, I guess one of the questions is, you know. We've been gearing up for the Hispanic engagement effort. For over a year now. Um, we're getting closer to people that actually… Oh, sorry, yeah. Yeah, so we've been gearing up for this, uh, effort, uh, engagement effort for over a year now. Um, it was a priority from the last Council to expand our future work. Um… How does it… I mean, if we're sort of moving forward, because what I'm hearing is that it would be a February kind of timeline for thinking about this.

[165:04] Um, with the work to talk with you about what funding priorities are, and kind of how we're… how a community is willing to achieve those. That's not coming until after February, so I guess my question is, like, what's… What's the point of doing all the engagement work? Um, is there a point to that, if we're going to be making decisions, um. earlier, before we even started this process, I guess that's sort of it. It's like, doesn't… Um, sequence. Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah, and sequencing is just the… the changing force of where things have been going. Yes, it's for that. You know, does that free up your work plan? Yeah, whatever. So, I think that, uh, as Charlotte's putting this forward, is that. We'll start with a larger list of Maryland. And there will be regular meetings from the Strategy Committee during those public engagement sessions.

[166:03] So I think the concept is to really come out with a broader list, have the finance strategy committee narrow that list. To help refine that to what eventually goes to all of Council. And I guess a question around the, sort of, the scope of this program is that. But I'm hearing is that, um… my colleagues, they may prefer that we're all a part of that initial narrowing conversation versus just, you know, financial strategies, get some recommendations, and then we all talk about it. And so I'm wondering if that might be… Um, the kind of priority for this here is that Council is having that bigger conversation earlier on to do that narrowing versus just financial strategies. And if I may, I'll say this, right? Like, even though last year we did some narrowing, we brought all the full component asset to the full council, because we do believe the Financial Strategies Committee is.

[167:04] Um, not the final say, just like in any committee, right? We… full council is… owner of final decisions in those particular things, so we would bring all of them, although we would certainly get input, but what I am hearing, perhaps the suggestion is, can we bring the full council in earlier than we traditionally do? Um, and still leverage the inside of the Financial Strategies Committee. I believe we can work to do that, um, as part of this. If this were to elevate to a council priority survey. Cool, cool, yeah. Um… So, one of the things, Tina, during our. and turn on one, which apparently is public. Um, you mentioned… You mentioned what I'm calling fund our tomorrow. I suppose you're just long-term, but, like, next year. And I know many of us, or I'll just speak for myself. um, continue to look forward to continuous improvement as it relates to our budgeting process.

[168:06] And given that this year in particular, I can… we can anticipate more. Whenever the 3.0 or 6.0, uh, word for, uh, fiscally restraint is, um… But I… although I appreciate the… points of this conversation, what I'm realizing is, and I'm still struck by our conversation around funding for tomorrow. And what I love about this opportunity and touchpoint for more council input earlier in the process. I'm just wondering if I can pull up what I'm lovingly calling the Fulpert Benjamin. And, um, adding the fund art tomorrow. when somebody hit her, could she let me hear. But… I'll talk about it as I put so on. Just know, um, I am, and I know that there's opportunities to add new cards, but… Since this is a financial… there are financial implications to this. I do think that there's benefit for having council conversation around budget before October.

[169:07] Um, sorry. Thank you, goodbye. If we don't move forward, there's something else priority, would it naturally be a part of the list. that would come to Council, you know, as far as considerations. I don't believe it would, because you all spoke last year, but… To not have this as a tax, so you would have to lift it out. Okay. Alright. Yes? Yep. Do we have to make it a priority, or after this meeting, can I put in a CAC request within a 95 that goes to a non-3 that goes to a vote of 5? Interesting. Well, I heard is that she asked and didn't just… Oh, um… I would say oppressed, right? It depends on how quickly and how much work it would be.

[170:09] Right? Certainly, it would be something to ask for. Council priority elevates it now, and we can start thinking about it now. If it goes to CAC, and the same thing is going to be had. We're going to have the same conversation, and we're going to have to fit it into a council meeting, and we're going to have to talk about it. We're having the trade-off. So, I feel like it's disingenuous. he's having a conversation now, and picking it up as a priority from early on. And this text wouldn't appear in the long-term financial strategy. Because this basically… The staff doesn't support it. Is that the… It's not so much that the city… the city brought it forward last year, and Council said no. Well, I actually… we didn't totally say no, so we did do, uh… No, I didn't say no. Because I don't think the city was right to ground force, so I think… What's the next man corrected. Now we're this year, many of us were sort of climbing.

[171:06] that that nose for the same. And I stand corrected, in my memory, it was a no. In which case, then… It could be part of the considerations that we bring forward as part of the larger. Thank you. That was a nice moment, like, that was really great problem solving. Yeah, we hear all the… Go ahead. I think council members think this is a good idea for 2026, making it a priority might be a good idea. Here's… you remember at the beginning, I said, you're gonna ask me how many priorities can we have, and I don't know the answer, because it depends on what they are. Right, so I'm not hearing Nurya saying, like, if you add this, it definitely means that none of these other things can pop on. So I would leave it up unless and until there's a reason that. you know, there's not a majority council support, or whatever, but I'm gonna start having a backup plan. Until we know whether or not it rises to the occasion.

[172:00] Cool. Okay. You good? Thank you. You are released! Next, we have exploring our new authority to modify the tip credit. Who is our smart staffer on this item? It's a mix, but… Go to Theresa. Teresa, take it, girls! So, I… I had some confusion about, uh… what was stated earlier. Because I heard on the one hand of exploration. as a one-year priority. And then I heard on the other hand, implementation by summer. And so, I think that, uh, first I would seek some clarity around timing. Yeah, so I can clarify that. Um, making a decision… implementation would be when it becomes effective. Is that how you interpret it? Sorry, let me… let me restate that. Uh, legislation. legislation. This ordinance by some… Yeah, so in the summer time frame to allow… um, because last time we ran into the.

[173:04] The problems… It's for the next branch. Yeah, well… Again, this is… again, this is sort of like we've done with everything, right? We haven't made a decision that we are for sure going to change an ordinance around to the credit. So, anything up to making that mandated statement is an exploration of it. Sorry, so maybe this is just a semantics discussion. But at the end of the day, we would explore our new authority. with the options that were presented to us, and then ultimately make a decision. The only reason why that backstop of thinking summer was because of one of the main criticisms we got when we changed the minimum wage, when we did it so late in the process. At that point, businesses and workers had already made their budgetary choices for the following year, so we adversely impacted them, and they had to revise. So, working backwards from a time for planning's sake, if we were to make yet another change, it would be prudent for us to do so with enough runway for those that are impacted to have time to plan around it. So.

[174:00] talking to businesses and other folks that would be impacted sometime in the summer seemed like that was a reasonable time. That was in June? Is it August? Yeah, whatever. But… picking a rough time frame is roughly for those vendors, so I hope that… Okay, thank you. Um… So… so this is, you know, potentially a sort of a medium lift. It's not a view, George. Um… depending on what that exploration looks like. Okay. For the increase in the minimum wage, I know that there's part of the legislation that asked us to. I'll connect with our other municipalities in the county, and the county. Um, would… are we mandated to do this? Uh, for the technical credit. I mean, I think it's a good idea, just from a. relational perspective, but is there a bandage? Uh, you know, I… Forgive me, I haven't presented that legislation recently, but as I recall, there is a mandate.

[175:03] for consultation. For… and for the minimum wage changes, and so I believe that there is an issue that would carry over to the fixed wage. It is, yes, it is part of the same legislature. And then we have a committee that Lauren was heading up from Boulder that we haven't. So, that might be something we need to address as well. Well, it wouldn't… the form of it wouldn't have to look necessarily the same. Right? A consultation is required with that form of consultation is. It's not dictated. Hey, you fall, sweep! But it would be good to have clarity for purposes of this. potential priority to know what level of engagement you expect. Because the county, for example, did. minimal engagements.

[176:01] We did a lot more with our partners, and it required a lot more of staff. So, it would be good to know what kind of level of engagement, because that would have some resource implication. That's my question. Nicole and Eric? Yeah, um… Uh, and Teresa, before we get, if you don't want to answer the question. Oh, she'll let you know. Um… You know, so the state says that we do need to have some kind of public conversation, right? And that is mandated. legislation, what that looks like can vary. Um, but given that we just did this. Um, just over a year ago. Um, and that conversation included an economic analysis. That conversation included talking with hundreds of workers and businesses. Uh, that conversation included running through our racial equity instrument. All that kind of stuff. Is there a problem from a legal perspective if.

[177:00] Then, when we're considering lowering wages or repealing some of the increases that we said we would be. Do we run into any issues if we don't, kind of, prequalize those, um… those conversations. I don't… Uh, from a legal perspective, I don't believe so. possibly from a community perspective, there's two. City of Edgewater made their decision just within a matter of. a month or two of completing legislation passed. So, so they just went ahead and taken the position. And just clarifying that, Edgewater has, like, 7 restaurants. But from a legal perspective, right, the data analysis to just make a decision. What about the implications if we look for additional data, like about the number of workers who would be affected, what their take-home pay would. is currently how it would change. Would that be within scope, or what would that look like?

[178:02] It could be, right? It would be helpful to know whether that's part of the scope that you all want, as we're thinking about. If we're looking for something that implements. late Q2, early Q3. that front-loads the work, and so that certainly could have impacts on other priorities. And I may have some financial implications, because the last time we did that, we partnered with CU, but we also partnered with other jurisdictions who, correct me if I'm wrong, shared in some of that financial… Yeah. Um, another question that actually might be not so much legal, but more for people who know economic stuff. better than I do. Um… So, at the time we said we were going to come back and look at those when we had some data to see what the impact was, right? Um, we just finished up 2025, which was the first year, full year. of our increase. I know that I won't file my taxes till middle of April. I expect that there's a lot of other businesses and things, too, so… By the time that people even kind of have all their information about what the future looked like.

[179:11] Uh, by the time that passes on to the American Bureau, um… Uh, labor statistics and other groups that might be able to compile that information, and that's… It's gonna be a lot of people who have functional data would be the implications of our. There is a lag, and maybe Krista, I have to phone a friend, I don't know what the lag is on when we get data. I think it is too much. I want to check that, though. Yeah. I know it's a few months' time. All right, Council, we've got lots of things to discuss. Are we ready to move on? Fantastic, thank you. Uh, public safety for all? It's on deck. That's me. Oh, fantastic. Um, so two things in that, I think. Uh, and the first one was, um… the oversight systems evaluation. Um, we are moving forward, and I appreciate the… question on who else is involved, because there are other people involved, and I know that wasn't in yesterday's email.

[180:12] Um, we have finally landed on a facilitator for that. We will likely have a second facilitator who knows. Uh, this facilitator initial one is a convener, um, to bring folks together, and we'll also be looking at someone who knows oversight systems in particular. Um, and, uh, looking to get that contract underway. Um, because the, um, police oversight Panel was having a meeting today, and we're asking on an update. It's one of the reasons I sent that out yesterday, because I wanted to send it to them, and since I was sending it to them, figured I'd send it to you all. That we were doing that. Um, the initial… the scope really is, uh, I don't know how many of you recall, is to really look at. Um, our systems, is it working? What's missing? What could be better?

[181:01] Uh, it is intended to, um, meet with, uh, police oversight panel members. With, um, those council members that are interested, with PD, with union representatives. with community stakeholders that we're identifying with former panel members, um, that we will send invites to as well, so it is intended to be. a little more robust. It is not intended to have an entire community conversation. Um, but it is intended to, um… have, uh, select participation, um, as we move forward. So that is underway, um. the end result will be a report and recommendations from what I've heard from. panel members, and frankly, from what I've heard from the police union, I anticipate there will be ordinance recommendations, um, so not only will you get the full report, but we will likely come forward. Um, with ordinance changes, but no matter what, we will send the recommendations to.

[182:00] Council, so that is where that is living at the moment. Um, so, uh, as we get that final contract there, happy to share out. Uh, more information as that moves forward. Um, the second piece of that was… Clarification on that part. Um, will the Council have an opportunity to weigh in on the scope of that, uh, evaluation? And I ask because. All of the things you just said sounded wonderful, right? But I'm having deja vu from when we were talking about homelessness and the clutch Report. And in that moment, I heard all those wonderful things that we were gonna get from Appleboro. And then to receive that report and realize that milestone number one was going to be the thing that I had been asking about a year and a half ago, which was. What are people… which was a landscape analysis on what people were actually doing, and recognized it just. The reason I'm bringing up the issue is because I've already referred once by, oh, we're going to do a study on it, and then you'll get the information later.

[183:03] And I just feel like… And many community members who've reached out to me and others. Uh, and to this council feel and have expressed interest in having more transparency throughout the process, and not waiting till the very end. With a few people being engaged and involved, especially, again, I cannot overstate. This is one issue on this board where we do not have sufficient representation. On staff, on council, and uh… even on this consulting team, because two people are not going to cut it. Um, and I… Fear that it will not be as valid and reliable of a research study at the former employee of the American Institutes for Research, who did a lot of evaluations on these types of things. Policing in particular with San Francisco, um, that I'm hopeful that there are going to be additional touchpoints. So I guess that's my… my question is, is there a council touchpoint before the very end. when we get a report. Other than the invitation that we have just shared out to see if you want to be interviewed, there is not anticipated to be an additional touchpoint. And so, making this a council priority would allow us additional, um.

[184:11] Uh, and not just the council, but our community additional opportunities to be informed, uh, and consulted. Um, along the way. I'm also curious if there's a step, and this again goes to scoping. If there's a step or some initial findings, instead of having to wait until the end for the final findings. Uh, I would talk to the facilitator in, um… I would want to talk to the facilitator to see. as she is moving forward. Her initial… Um, scope is to have individual conversations and then group conversations, and I don't know in her methodology if she would recommend. sharing preliminary findings publicly before having more focus groups for fear of.

[185:00] Um, perhaps biasing the focus groups that are to come later, so I would leave that in her, um. in her, uh… authority to take a look at, but certainly once there is something preliminary that can be… that is shared with either the. panel, or with others, happy to think about that, although once it is shared with Council, it is a public document. Um, and so I would have to think about what that looks like with the facilitator. You can talk about the second piece, the data piece? Yeah, the data piece is more expansive. For a long time now, and Jennifer, um… are, um, wonderful, uh. Wonderful, wonderful, um… CIO is, uh, so advanced in what we do with everything technology, so correct me if I'm missing anything out in. what we do. Um, but we've been thinking a lot about emerging technologies, just in general. Certainly, everything we.

[186:03] touch everything from our phones to our computers to every piece of software, Lord knows, that passes through Jennifer's. Uh, fingers as some element of artificial intelligence to it, but it's not the only piece of emerging technology and data that we are talking about. Um, we collect as a city enormous amounts of data from the credit cards that you swipe to whatever data that you input for services, so… How do we responsibly think about, um, being stewards of that? Um, it became much more prevalent for us, um. As we're thinking about the current administration and what we must supply or not supply, and what data we keep, but certainly we continue to think about what. things, what tools we have, um, in our systems, um, for, um… A variety of uses, whether they have been recent, uh, conversations about our license plate readers, or whether it is, um, what we have in our technology with phones, or our engagement tools, we want to be thoughtful about what that looks like. So we have.

[187:08] initial policy, we've been thinking about governance, but we have great minds in this community, and thinking about what does that look like, so we are. have been thinking about for a while, convening, uh. Manager's panel, task force, call it what you will, of academic and industry efforts to help, uh, experts to help guide us through that, um, to learn a little bit about what that landscape is. We have, uh, we have no doubt. That that will result in some recommendations that we will likely bring to Council, but we want to be informed by the great minds that we have, both internally and externally as we move that forward. So we thought we'd start. with gathering, um, some folks together. Uh, one of the reasons I reached out to you all is you all know some good names as well, um, but we want to make sure that we're understanding some nuances. Uh, in the landscape before we come to you all for some policy recommendations.

[188:03] patient question. So, um, I understand that. I just received that email this weekend. I will say what is urgent and important to me if we. flop camera contract that will be renewed in March. And so, although I appreciate this task force, my concern is. That we're not even required to give them names until… names until the end of January. Um, I don't know how many times that task force would be able to convene to give us feedback on specifically that. The flock, the flock contract. Um, and so I'm happy to do an amendment that is very specific. to, um, that particular contract, given the both valid and reliable data that both has been shared in the IP, as well as from our community members who have expertise. on flat surveillance, think. I appreciate it, and I want to always be fully transparent. Um, likely, uh, we would not buy… I think that contract is actually up in April, but, uh, no matter there.

[189:03] Um, we would not be necessarily talking about that specific contract by April. Uh, we would be talking more generally about. Um, we would certainly get to that, but we would not be getting to that by then. We would not be kind to you all for recommendations on contract renewals, because contract renewals are operation. I understand that. However, as a council, it's my understanding, point of clarification. our, uh… I think it's actually a different one, sorry, I'm sorry, Robert. It's the rules. Robert rules for those. I'm sorry. Rules, Montgio Roberts, who… I'm not even gonna look too hard into your files on what you've been doing. But anyway… Robert, um… I have a question about… sorry, I lost my brain dingling around on that. Um… I understand that as a council, we do not have operational authority. However, similar to Excel and some of these other pieces.

[190:02] Um, you know, we certainly have, um, authority around the strategic direction and oversight. And I would argue that both of those things are a part of this renewal, and actually, there's quite a bit on the line at stake with this particular contract. So, um… you know, again, I understand it's always the will of the council, and I appreciate your clarifications. Council, let me clarify questions? Yeah, Ryan? Yeah, can you just, um… say a little bit about… what would the, like, kind of key differences be between, uh, this matter. With, um, the Council not… making an additional work plan. Um, versus deciding to take it on, like, are there any obvious differences that you would imagine. Scope of it, you know, including with, like, with the council. proposal, as you might understand it. Um… It depends on how Council would want to take.

[191:01] something on as a council priority, right? Council priorities, we… come to Council. I mean, there's certain things that, uh, you all give us policy direction, and we move forward. Um, it would be different than, uh, manager's task force. I mean, I'm… moving forward with that, no matter what, because I do think there's still this value in. Um, bringing tremendous minds from around community. I think there's so much. Um, out there that we don't know of. It is fast moving, and. Um, frankly, we could benefit from that as we move forward. Um, I… continue to think that that is… There's so much on the line here. There is, um… A lot more work to be done, and I would hate to rush it prematurely. As we think about what that looks like, um, and trying to squeeze it into. uh… I don't know how many, you know, whatever the schedule is for Council. Would be slightly artificial to me if I'm… if I'm really honest, versus trying to make sure that we're having.

[192:02] Um, sort of more timed conversation with industry experts and. Um, academics as that moves forward. Um, but if the will of counsel is to move it forward, then we will. think about how do you want to scope it, and how do we bring forward something that is. Uh… policy-related for Council to give us direction on. Tracy, you want to add something? Yeah, I think that in thinking about this potential priority, it's really important. that the Council think about. Um, the distinction between operational. and policy, um, because I want to remind you that. when the council acts on something that is operational. in nature. First of all, it's in violation of the charter. But second of all, arguably. You've then transformed it into a legislative matter that means the public. and legislate on it. And so, um, I think being really clear about this is important.

[193:07] Nicole, do you have a question I just want to cover? Um, yeah, I did. I had a few questions, because there's kind of two parts of this as I see it. Um, you know, do you see what the police oversight panel, um. some of those conversations, the work that's going on. Um, with the, like, the homelessness strategy updating things, there were opportunities along the way for 2x2s to share out some kind of additional information, have some of those conversations, like. Is that anything that you… it sounds like that may not be part of the plan, but if this were, say, elevated to a Council priority, is that a way of sharing information? And then, uh, the other is just around… other groups, um, being part of the conversation, too. I can think about community connectors, I think about some of the groups that were involved in the Reimagine Policing Plan. All those kinds of things, we're able to provide some feedback, and. And get particular communities that don't often come and talk to us, especially about issues like policing involved.

[194:02] Um, so I'm just wondering if that… that is stuff that you would… that you would already be considering for whether that's the kind of thing that would be moving to accountability. That's the first question. So, I don't think we need 2x2s to elevate as a council priority, and in part, again, it's because it still protects the… confidentiality of the initial stages of that, and again, I would like to talk with the facilitator, because I want to make sure that that fits into the rubric of those initial conversations. But as that moves forward, but no, I think 2x2s are easily. adjusted, uh, in the initial scoping of the conversation, it was included to speak to Council. Um, so we can figure out what that looks like. Um, just wasn't included to speak to Council at a public session, um, until the report was finalized. Um, and we are contemplating speaking to community members. We have not fully identified that list, in part because we needed to know what this elevator was going to be.

[195:01] And we wanted to talk to, um, current panel members. We wanted to talk to PD, we wanted to talk to you all. We certainly have a list to start from that included folks that were involved in organizations that were involved in. random imagining policing, we had thought about community connectors. We know that there are certain. community organizations, um, who are, uh, whether it is, um, folks in our unsheltered community, whether it is, um, folks in our LGBTQ community and so forth, there are folks. You know, we want to get… so we're creating a list of addition. Okay, so something that wouldn't necessarily. This priority, this is the stuff that we would already kind of be thinking about. Um, the other question I have is around the digital security contracting, things like that. Um, at the end of this task force, you… do you envision bringing recommendations to Council? Because I see, like, the. The benefit, as I said, of having council involved in this in some ways.

[196:00] is that it is noticing you. the digital security is an issue. Surveillance is an issue. That's not what people are very concerned about. And so, that to me is where counsel comes in, not necessarily at the operational level of, you know, which contractors. It's like that, but rather, these are the issues that we see and. and are thinking about, and… creating some sort of vision, like a longer-term vision for where we're headed that could inform future policy. But at this moment, as we're thinking, what's the direction that we're headed in with all of this? What are the issues that are arising that might pose safety threats to our community. Particularly given some of the federal context that we're operating under. And how do we move forward from there? Is that… is there a product that kind of comes out of that that is more vision-level informing policy, or do you really see the task force as just being operational unless we allocate. Uh, I don't believe… Jennifer, correct me if I'm wrong here, I mean, but we… I anticipate that there will be some policy recommendations here, big policy capital P, smaller policy, um.

[197:09] As well, but we… until we start in it, we just know that there are major ramifications here, and whatever report is finalized. Uh, we can see coming to Council and sharing. We want you to know what the results of it are. We want you to be informed of what this looks like, because it will have. I think some ramifications on how we move forward as an organization. Um, so we want you to know about what that looks like, and I can't imagine that. Um, we won't be talking a little bit more about. how we govern, what changes we may make to our own, um. two-arm documents to how we move forward, what we allow or not allow, but we want you to know about it, we want the public to know about it. Have I missed anything, Jennifer? she'll be much more… intelligent than I am. But even from the forest, Justin.

[198:03] Good afternoon, I'm Jennifer Douglas, the Chief Innovations and Technology Officer, and I appreciated the conversation. And I know I've had a lot of conversations with many of you individually. I think what I want to cautious… caution us about is a balance about what we say publicly. And what's operations. Because the more public we are about our. technology, the more target that we are. So we do have to be very careful about what we're saying in the public, about what we're doing, what our intentions are. We already have a committee that we're working on. I have a chief data officer that's highly engaged and involved in this work. We're working at the state level, we already are working at the policy level, understanding. what federal government can do right now, what they might be able to do later. Um, and we safeguard our contracts, any contracts with data. We work with our city attorney, we have an amazing attorney in Theresa's department that we work with.

[199:07] that we write our contracts pretty tight around what they can do with data already. Um, so I would just say that we're happy to share our recommendations, anything that's going to be policy. Um, any kind of recommendations, the way that we're innovating through the city, but I do want to be really cautious about how much we're putting out there. That's why you see I sit behind the tree. Okay. Uh, because I will just say that… older, it's well known in the world. I mean, I was in Spain, and I had a shirt boulder, and people were like, oh, City of Boulder, right? And we are a target, so we have a pretty significant group of people that work under me. That's all they do is security all day long, and they can see that we're a target. And so. We do want to fly under the radar. That's why we have 26-digit passwords. That's right. We do want to fly under the radar as much as possible.

[200:04] Right? Even with the federal government right now, so the more we're broadcasting, the more that they're looking at that, so… I do want to say that we are highly engaged with anything in public safety. highly engaged. I have a team of 9 people that work in public safety that we manage those contracts. I look at every one of those contracts for data, what's going to be happening with our data. I mean, policing says, okay, we want to use this technology. I push in and say. Not unless I say okay. Okay, I'm gonna go to… so, yeah, want to bring us back? We're trying to scope this item, so Council understands that they want to prioritize it. You have one more clarifying question, Taisha. Yes, it sounded like, based on what you just shared, one of my concerns around AI, which is different than the mass surveillance piece. is, um… it was my understanding that there wasn't AI guidance for external contractors, but from what you just shared. It sounded like you all closed the loop on the external use of AI? Well, I mean, external… Within the city, we control that. External within the community, more so just saying for our contracting.

[201:10] So, the last time I asked this question, I was told that we did not have an AI policy for our contractors. We had a very strong AI policy for internal AI use by staff. What you just shared was, I look at every contract that is being used, which then I'm saying, oh. did the loop get closed on those external. Uh, contracts, or rather, whoever we're contracting that is not a employee at the City of Boulder. Any contract that comes through that has any kind of AI component, I look at in the right answer. And I would say that, you know, it's not a policy, it's a contract term. It's a contract term. All right, thank you. Scoping on the item, yes, yes, yeah, so… and I mean, mine was really around, but not… more thinking about, um, vision-level values, right?

[202:00] these are the kinds of things that we're thinking about as we're considering technology. Like, that very much feels to me like it's a policy lane versus operational. Um, and… and I guess that that's my question, is naturally. Are those kinds of recommendations from this group going to come forward, or is that where it would need to be a priority to say? We would like to have some guiding values. vision around how we're using this technology, how we're using data, how we're considering data security. Does that want to be a council priority. We… I would expect that that would come from the conversations that we have in this group. That is why we're trying to get a roadmap. Um, of what our future looks like, um, from this group. From better minds than mine, not better minds and gentlers. I mean, it's less about, like, the specific, you know, how are we doing facts, it's really… These are the values as an organization. public service, this is how we're going. Okay, and Nuria, I hear you saying that your anticipation is that that conversation comes to Council whether or not this item is a Council priority? Yes. Okay.

[203:02] I think that was your question. Yeah, okay, fantastic. All right. Anything else on this item? Councillor, I'm tracking on the time. We've been through 5 of our 10, um, dot getters in one hour, so we probably want to, uh, keep it moving here. I'm on wildfire home hardening implementation hub. Just so you were clear, this is the first item that only has the one dot. Um, so, uh, scoping? Oh, Pam. Yeah, in the interest of preserving you having 7 directors come to the table at once as sponsor of our wildfire team, I can speak at a high level that. Uh, this concept in general tracks right along with the continuous improvement the wildfire team is contemplating for. wildfire-related and resiliency-related communication in general, um, based on the… what we received in the priority, there are some specific. Uh, concepts related to, sort of, how those things get packaged and implemented that we would find really valuable as we would continue that work. Uh, the work plan capacity could handle this, um, without any current trade-offs.

[204:03] And then the last thing I would say is that, in my mind, making this a council priority versus not, the difference would be. having an interactive session with you all at some point over the course of this year to really work through. Um, kind of what that user experience of the information might look like to get that final touchpoint and feedback from you all. Uh, but we would anticipate it being able to accommodate that. You're saying you like this. I am saying, if you like this one, we will make it happen. Nice try, though, Tara. Council, any other questions on that one? Tina and then Matt. Yeah, just, um, you mentioned the council touchpoint, and there'd be an opportunity to have more of a community-focused group. Um, especially those people who you've been hearing from. maybe for this information. In many ways, I think they're focused more valuable than mine. I want to talk to the team, but as part of that initial scoping, if this becomes a priority, that would be one of our considerations.

[205:01] And we'd be reporting back alongside the other priorities at that point for your feedback, so thank you. Now, a serious note being a judgment of the concept, because I actually really like. Where this goes, but I guess in terms of. having the weight of a council priority, all we gain is. point? Is that… but the labeling this account's priority gains us a single touchpoint. Is that what I understood? Certainly, we have direction from you for more consistent touchpoints, but essentially what I interpret this to be. truly is a better packaging and an improved sort of user experience of the information that the city provides related to home hardening and wildfire resilience. And so, to the extent that once we hear, sort of, your expectations about that outcome. everything else is sort of for our communications folks and wildfire team to carry out, so I wouldn't anticipate a ton of back and forth, but if the… if I'm misinterpreting the direction, or there's something you want to talk through.

[206:01] It was not my priority. Yeah, I mean, I know Rob thought a lot about this, but I just want to make sure that. If we're… I guess my concern is. putting the weight of accounts in priority usually has significant deliverables. And so I think about a touchpoint, go… Well, it's certainly… And to clarify, right, the deliverable would be this new one-stop shop implementation resource. It would probably be this package of a web page. Um, some more bite-sized communications, that sort of thing. But it would be more informed by Council input. than if it were not a Council priority. So this touchpoint would be, well, getting to play in the communication sandbox a little bit more than usual. Uh, by lifting it up for the program. Nicole? Uh, yeah, so… You know, earlier, um, I think… I think it was Matt was talking about kind of having. Having more specific goals and, you know, things that we're trying to achieve with, uh, with third-party measured bookings. So, I guess that's my question. What's the outcome of this? And so, there's a new website, or some new videos, or something like that, but.

[207:07] functionally, what's… what's changed, right? What are we… are we expecting that. Um, you know, if we have a thousand people who've done detailed home assessments that, uh, whereas before, maybe 100 of them would have… would have done something, now 200 of them are doing something, like, what's the… What are we aiming for, because I guess, is the question? So, in addition… so, the way I interpret this current priority, correct me if I'm wrong, really is about the communication strategy itself. In addition to that, the wildfire team is working on this year, based on the study session we had last September. continuing to refine and update more meaningful. metrics that can become more actionable information for a community, and so… and Sarah, feel free to jump in as you wish. in my mind, we would certainly want to measure. the success of these shifting. information hubs, so to speak, in order to know that it's working.

[208:02] the scope of, kind of, overall metric definition and the success of our wildfire program is something we are working on continuously as a team. And would have a sort of adjacent relationship with these communication strategies. So, anything you want to add? Sure. Hi everybody, I'm Sarah Huntley, Director. I want to bring a little clarity to what you get if this is not a council priority, and what would be different for a council priority. So, we are always looking to tell our wildfire resilience story better, more effectively. If you looked at the web page that we've created reflects across departmental work, that's a first step that we've taken in the last year to year and a half to help people understand the why. If this is not a council priority, we will continue to do that effort, um, try and use strategic communications and storytelling to help people understand how their individual. activities can impact our collective success as a community. If this is a priority, some of the things that I'm hearing that are really intriguing to me but would require some.

[209:04] additional work, and cross-departmental collaboration is really connecting, for example, this idea of, if you have this amount of money to spend, and these are the recommendations that we have made, we're going to need to do some back-end programming to help people be able to connect their individual data with the recommendations that have been made, with the money that is available to the publicly, as well as potentially if they were able to. Um, invest some of their own money, what would be recommended as the most meaningful? That's going to take some work with our colleagues in IT. There's back-end programming. I also think that if this were a council priority, the engagement we do in terms of the user experience with you all as council members, either in a subcommittee format or with the whole group, and also with some, potentially some focus groups, something that would be an additional add to our work. You know, do you have another question before I like to… Uh, yes, uh… if we… so we have a lot of wildfire priorities, just curious if staff thought about all the wildfire priorities that were put forth.

[210:09] Was there anyone that they felt was equal or more impactful to, um… respective community preparedness. word answers, we didn't do that exact comparison, because of course we're interested in, kind of, like, your all's interpretations. We certainly. Um, heard loud and clear. generally speaking, attention and ongoing welfare resilience is top of mind across the board, and so that we hear loud and clear. The, um, collaboration team continues to increase the, um… And so, if it was, like, a pick and choose, each one, frankly, does, uh… target very distinct outcomes, and so on. That's where you will come in. You know, we have not identified which one of those is more important.

[211:02] Nicole, you have one more question. Yeah, it was just around the, um. develop some sort of, you know, a base tool that people can go to. Please give me the most cost-effective things, is that? realistically, something we could do with you, then I would expect ideas for there, too, but to me, that sounds like a bigger. thing, especially in the context of everything else that's going on. I mean, um, like, doing more focus groups to get some information about, you know. What are better ways that we can get information to you, especially groups that have been engaging? But that, to me feels a little more doable than… So, the good news is that the data for folks who've already received their assessment, and we just recently reached out the milestone in that space. That data exists. Um, so, you know, creating a… tool framework to leverage data we already have.

[212:01] assuming that good friends in IT and the innovation side, um… work with us, I think we could start to get a framework. Yeah, but it would be something that we put, you know, as new assessments happen, we would have some… Oh, thank you. One of the other priorities that didn't get a dot, uh, was around the, um. The cost-benefit analysis, so different kinds of policy things that we do in the wildfire. And I'm wondering, uh, whether, you know, moving in the direction of something like this. But we also get the information in the… across the board, like, if we were going to increase more money for grants to people, like, here's… here are the things that are needed. That people could use their money for, like, where are we making investments, and how could those investments be? More powerful in terms of getting our community wildfire ready. He won the prize, and we also now have Dan joining us to talk a little bit. Daniel, that was, like, I really don't. Kind of a life of its own now. Yeah, it's the whole thing.

[213:12] Uh, yeah, Dan Burke, Open Space Mountain Parks Director. Uh, so what the city started to launch, uh, earlier last year, in which we are, uh, through with phase one, is after the CWPP adoption. We then looked across the city, and we wanted to do… first, we wanted to create a database platform, and then we wanted to do an inventory of all of the work that is currently happening, or that's planned to happen, or that's been completed while our resilience actions and projects. And that inventory work is now completed. We have… we know we have 132. Uh, projects that are either active or in the pre-planning stages. We know we have 44 projects that have been completed. And now we… and we have them all now in an interactive database where staff can go in and start doing exactly what you're saying. Can we prioritize these 131 actions? Can we start to develop who is the… what is the current status of them? Are they completed?

[214:07] what stage of completion are they in? Prioritization, what should be the priorities in the coming year? Uh, costing amounts, all those type of things. So now that we have the inventory in place, we can now play with that stuff to do stuff like prioritization. And uh… and that's across all the actions that the city is currently taking on in terms of our resilience, not just the communication piece. So, and so that would also include how we're, uh, giving out money. For grants to support people doing, um, welfare mitigation on their homes and things like that. Yeah, those projects related to that particular, uh, element of supporting community members to implementing. actions as part of that portfolio of 131 actions, and there's several projects related to that that's in there. But yes. Yep, as long as it's briefed, we should provide, um, to this list, what you're saying.

[215:00] It's a one option would be increasing or changing the way we give out grants, but you would be looking at a lot of other initiatives as well, balancing which ones are going to have the most impact. who this whole inventory of possibilities. Is that what I'm understanding? Yeah, impact assessment is definitely something that we want to get stronger in, and something now that we have the portfolio all in one place that we could actually start comparing things against each other. We haven't gotten as far, you know, we're not where we want to be on it, but that is the intention. So it's almost kind of getting that one priority about the cost-benefit of measures. Yes. They're really on their way to that. Yep, staff, actually, probably a year ago, maybe even before that, said, this is what we want to do, and we spent a good deal of time in 2025. Uh, launching that. Mm-hmm. Fantastic. Ready to move on? Dan, Sarah, thank you. All right, next item is flexible security and theft reduction. Alistair, calm down. Come on down!

[216:03] Oh, she didn't big table. For better or for worse, welcome. Yeah. give us a sense of the scope of that bad boy, if you would, darling. I will. So, uh, for those who don't know me, I'm Alison, I'm the Chief of Staff for. Police Department, I'm honored to be here on Chief Red Fern's behalf, as you may or may not know, we had a previously scheduled commitment. Uh, so… Is he joining Jonathan on vacation? I know, right? No, he's working. So I thought, as you consider. It's for… So, priority status. that I… to provide some stats, some data to think about as you're doing so, and uh… So, obviously, bike thefts are… a hot button issue here in town.

[217:04] Just to give you some context. in 2025, we had… 557 bicycles stolen within the city. That were reported as stolen, I should say. Um… And the context for that is, since about 2020. The… which was a… kind of the highest peak that I'm going to reference, so, like, 1,183 stolen, and it has trended generally down. From 1183 now to 557. We're 33% less than 2024. Although, sort of misleading because there's a little glip there. But just to give you a sense of what we're talking about, I do want to say that if you are one of the. People who had a bicycle stolen, I don't know how much consolation it is, whether it's 500… One of 557, or one of 11? Still painful. Um, so… Which leads to the next piece, which is our recovery rate.

[218:07] Which is clearly lower than we would like, or certainly not. victims would like, and it's at about 9%. Um, the… And I'll talk a little bit about. some factors that contribute to that. I would love for you to tell us more about what would this work be? had a whole speech. I know, and I'm… and I'm… And yet, need you to focus. The work would be an enhancement of some work we'd already be doing. That would be, for example, undercover bait bike operations. As you might imagine, I'm probably not going to give you a lot of detail about what that looks like. But suffice to say… For you to consider, as you're considering that, you need to think about the fact that those undercover. Big bike operation participants. would otherwise be doing other things. So you're taking them away from other undercover work.

[219:06] other assignments. So, we need to weigh up. that impact. Um… There… there are some other things that we've done already to do with. alerting the community and educating the community that. could be enhanced, um, as it probably comes as no surprise, within the city, there are geographical areas. You're more likely to have your bike stolen, so… Maybe some enhanced signage there, an education for the community, particularly the community is this to that. Uh, kind of on a related issue. Big piece of this is education for our. for community own, how you might. lessen the chances of being a victim. So, for example. I'm gonna get to my stats. Um… 20% of our bikes that are stolen are taken from garages or sheds. burglaries, so if you make that more difficult, that's partly an education piece, that's partly putting.

[220:04] Plummies of the onus on. high school owners, uh… to maybe engage in some additional security, and I know that sounds harsh, but that is a piece of it, right? Um, so those are the kinds of things that… That we would be wanting to do enhance education on the front end to minimize. The numbers of bikes that are stolen, and then we want to work. Uh, on the back end. A recovering the bikes, B, catching the people who are still. So, the difference between it being a council priority and not being a council priority is more of the stuff that you're planning to do? Correct. Okay. Questions, Council? Yep, Ryan and me, Tara, are you okay? Great. Thank you. So, I raised the… I was one of those series, this one. Um, on the education side. One of the things I was thinking is, uh. So if you go to the city, uh… information website right now, bike parking.

[221:01] One of the key points of guidance is you should lock your bike frame to a lock. Standard universal guidance. Challenge is we, um… almost universities do not have facilities around the city. Ticket property is really good. This one, notwithstanding. City property is really good at Parks and Rec, downtown, on sidewalks. Um, the inverted URX. So my… part of my inspiration was coming off the parking reform that we did last summer. Is there something we can do here to not require, but educate and perhaps encourage. The retailers and others around town to install properly, you know, hopefully inverted views, um, as a part of it. Not all of the best part of it. Wondering if that… has that been contemplated, and… Does that… does that fit? Yes. It actually does bring up another interesting point. Uh, one of the other things that. But we would… we would want to encourage people to do is to place those. in more high visibility areas, because the problem is, down an alley.

[222:03] It's a lot easier for people to get their trusty angle grinder out. So if you walk… in fact, we… actually read a recent arrest. Uh, based on a community member seeing someone working on a lock with an angle grinder and cultists. So it's a culmination of those kinds of things, but yeah, that's great. to see Trish answers the PowerPoint of all the things that we can do. Yes, I did. So, I don't have any friends in the room, so I can't do the phone a friend thing, so I use this instead. Okay, yeah. So, one of the things. Uh, is maybe, like. bike registration, better information on that, more information on a pounded bikes. So, um… There's all these little things that add up. Would you be doing all these little things? that add up. Is this for the constant priority? Yeah. Absolutely. There it is. Yes, so… so I would add that that is a… These are some identified areas that we certainly need to look at back.

[223:10] Like registration, bike index, uh… option is not being used as we'd like, and that limits our recovery, for sure. We find a bike and it sits in our impact lot, because. We don't have anyone to contact. Uh, there's several stickers that get applied, yeah. So, more of those kinds of things, or maybe the whole list, if a council priority and otherwise not so much, yeah? Yes. Okay. Council, any other questions? Fantastic, you are free to go off easy. Alright. Sister City language update! The pap seems already on at the table. Fantastic. We should hear our city clerk, we've got our city attorney. So again, before we jump in. Task is scoping and difference between what you would do if it's a council priority and what you would do if not. Cool. Okay. So, some of my work is already done with, you know, summary earlier today, but essentially, our entire Sister City program is governed by a very.

[224:08] kind of paraphones council resolution that has only been updated a couple of times since the program was developed. We would anticipate if made a council priority, if not a council priority, frankly, we probably wouldn't touch it at all this year, so it's a… it's a do or don't. Uh, if Mini Council priority, we would see this as two-fold. One would be… uh, engaging with Council on an update to that resolution, and also, sort of. expanding it to get greater clarity of. being, sort of, the intent of the program, the, uh, the specific specs of how we interact with the sister city organization, etc. And then an accompanying, kind of, administrative and operational guide for staff to contemplate. What is your expectation of how staff supports. sister city engagement throughout the year. That just currently doesn't exist, and so we've just sort of filled in the blanks as needed. Um, and so we would anticipate our clerk's office.

[225:02] Um, based on, kind of, the intent of any resolution improvements by Council. To then kind of create that corresponding predictable business rhythm around how reporting is received, how we. Um, older sister city agencies accountable to sort of meet that intent. Um, and then how we support, kind of, anything that Council would want to talk to that resolution scope. Questions? MDS. It could be accomplished in there, thanks. Gonna throw it to Mark? Alright, Mark! Hi, everybody. Uh, this is something that we are. already thinking about within our, kind of, new cultural and economic development section. Like, what you get with a council priority is really, uh. A more robust or formal program to address commercial vacancies. Right now, we are doing a couple of different things.

[226:04] seeing the retail wraps on storefronts, especially when they are constantly-owned properties. That is something where we think we can get to this year a little bit easier, is accelerating that kind of pop-up and wrap activities. The third element of the proposed, uh, council priority of a formal program really. Works with partners to try and. Um, work a little bit more, uh, specifically with commercial brokers, with property owners to fill spaces. how fast we're able to do that, whether that's a formal program, I think would be helped by being established as a council priority. I think the difficulty here in the… economic development space, as we have a few things that. already been in the pipeline that are really non-negotiable in terms of timing. You all are familiar with Metro District conversation, Downtown Development Authority. Urban renewal even to an extent. All of those, um, kind of have a time clock on them already, so… Um, you know, certainly elevating a council priority helps establish that timeline. I think we would need to lean on partners.

[227:09] Um, in order to accelerate that work, just given. Um, the other things, um, kind of in the works already. Um, so we'll be doing some stuff, but then to the extent we're able to formalize that program within 2026. Depends on, uh, if there's an elevator or not. Matt and MTF. I appreciate that. You know, some of the things that have been talked about on this front are things like an office vacancy pilot program. Uh, some adaptive reuse, streamlined permitting. you know, a walk-up permits for anything under 10,000 square feet, so people… like, so these are things that are out in the ether. They aren't surprises, they've been talked about for a long time. Are these things that are just already on your radar that you have in the queue, and you're just sort of waiting for some capacity to do, or… are these sort of new things that would really require us to say, yes, go forth, and then they would get done. And so, are we really just dealing with a little reshuffling of a queue? So it's maybe not this year, but maybe it gets done next year.

[228:06] But there's a cost. So I'm just sort of wondering where the real rubber meets the road on this versus the good work you guys already do. Yeah, I think it's more the former, so these are things on our radar. Some of the things we'll be able to move forward. Some of the, um, you know, what are the low barriers process improvement stuff, um, there's, uh. You are familiar, I believe, with our partnership with an organization called Cities Work that is. talking to a lot of our small businesses about their experience in doing business with the city. We'll have some insights from that, uh, analysis that'll come to you in early April, I believe. I think that. is work that we plan. It could implicate some of the things that help fill commercial spaces. Um, some of the broader. You know, we've heard ideas on making it easier to do conversions and the permitting process for that. I think that's a little bit more complicated than something that. Um, I think would need a push for that to be really done in 2026. The pop-up stuff I mentioned, I think, is a little easier. So it depends on a specific thing.

[229:08] as we have capacity, as we build out that new office, um… We'll have more and more capacity as we get into the year, but I think really turning this into a formal. office vacancy, retail vacancy program, uh, that, you know, that line. It's a little bit of a gray area, but that line of establishment is a council rarity. And we would have to kind of divert some effort to actually create that formal program. I think more formally have… we're going to look at these 5 or 6 things as a part of. addressing commercial vacancy, if that makes sense. Tina? Yeah, you mentioned working with partners, and so, you know, this is new in a little bit, um, in that. Helping property owners fill their space. It needs to be done in conjunction with the property owner because of their tolerance and their investment interest and.

[230:00] you know, all of that, and so I do wonder if some of the initial paths. Could be blood out of the chamber, who could really help prioritize that, and. Um, and because we're looking at, um, some of that experience, especially with the first level of commercial on the permitting with the city's work, I feel like we're addressing that, but some of these other issues, it's… It's still not really clear what the property owners want. Um, and so I just wonder if the Chamber could be the lead on that, so that you can keep on with your other priorities. Yeah, that's a good suggestion. I think we would probably rely on a few of our economic vitality partners to. Help support that. Chamber being the one. I think you're right. One of the things that… and we've had conversations about commercial vacancy. Um, we've heard a little feedback on some of the city processes, um, you know, going back last year. Um, we also have heard that. Property owners are not choosing to leave their spaces vacant, right? I mean, there's a broader economic issue, so trying to dive into some of those dynamics and how.

[231:01] That is playing in here at the local level, I think would be helpful in keeping track of those conversations. So, certainly would rely on the Chamber and others to help inform the work. Nicole, and then Mark? Yeah, um, I guess my question is just following up a little bit more on something you were mentioning of what slows down, um. if this is against COVID, because you're saying we wouldn't do this unless it were a council priority, which to me says that you were already full. And so, presumably something's gonna slow down, uh, or get knocked off with the slow to the phase. Um, likewise. I drink not just about staff resources, but also, um, you know, funding. Money does not grow on trees, essentially wish that it would. Um, and if we're spending money to help children empty spaces, then presumably that's something that we would not be spending. find something else that might help some of our small businesses weather lose time. So.

[232:00] What's the trade-off? Like, what's… It's a fair question. I don't believe… that there's anything within the economic development realm that could slow down unless Council wanted to entertain. You know, slowing down the Downtown Development Authority conversation and slowing down metro districts. Um, so certainly that's an option, um, if this were to be kind of a… Uh, robust program that the city operated. We are planning to address some of these things, as I said, regardless. Um, I think if this was elevated as a council priority, we would. advocate trying to, uh… Find some middle ground, if you will, to leverage our partners. So, what that could look like is that maybe we are doing some type of. focused program, or pilot program, or whatever you want to call it, you know, sort of geographic area. That gets a resource, and so, while we don't only want to focus on the downtown, what that does is it allows us to consider tapping general improvement district resources to help support.

[233:02] those areas that are appropriate for the city to plan. Um, that would be some of the conversation that we would have with Council. Certainly, you'd all… you all would have to be comfortable with the allocation of those resources. So it'd be… it'd be stuff like that, but I think we could… We can move forward with Council support without. Impacting, uh, the timeline of some of these others. Um, if it's more of a citywide program, um, I think you'd have to revisit some of the timings of those other larger economic development issues. Theresa wanted to jump into how… and I would say that the city attorney's workflow. is pretty cool already with economic development. Um, and so… Any scoping of this is… is adding on to an already full plate. So, can I just rephrase what I think I heard? I mean, it sounds… it sounds a little bit like, you know, rather than, um. trying to get resources that already exist and are already allocated. It's more that you'll be spending some time looking to see, like, okay, we're… the corners on the couch, right? Where are some of these additional places that we could find some more resources to help out with this?

[234:08] Um, versus us necessarily taking on. Good stuff. And characterization, or is that… I think that's right, and working, again, with our partners to. determine kind of roles and responsibilities. Convene, um, certainly there's some city work, but we hope to rely on partners as much as possible. Knowing full well that as we do that, resources will be a part of that conversation. So then what's the outcome at the end of that, if it doesn't start? We have a survey, or… Yeah, I think… your outcome would be a formal program to address commercial emergencies. That's what we don't have today. We're working on elements of that to try to improve the situation, but we don't have a. commercial vacant program. Just, like, one program versus… Here's our solution for dressing commercial agencies. That's right. Okay, alright.

[235:01] Um, in some cases, it seems that. Our own policies. Zoning have contributed to. I was… Think of the hour on 15th and Canyon. that have been vacant for years. I need you to be making friends. Are we looking at all at some of those policies and rethinking limits? Trying to occasionally build. commercial spaces with commercial uses. It's a fair question. Uh, I might phone a friend on the first component of that. I think we are thinking about that as it relates to some of the comp plan. Update and some of the commercial uses that we're anticipating in neighborhood zones in particular. Balancing that with… there is the availability of commercial space currently. I think a more, kind of, accelerated look at some of those other, maybe, zoning barriers, Brad, I think might be a little bit longer. Just a quick reminder, we're not reviewing all the things. I think the question is, would this item be part of this.

[236:07] Or is it being addressed else-wise? That's the question. Probably not. you know, I think I am the friend-ed question, uh, so… It is a little hard to say. It probably could not be in a year, only in the sense that there are multiple influences on why there's vacancy. And there's not consensus about what those might be, as to whether that's zoning or market conditions or. individual preferences from property owners. We have some planning board members who assert that. Our owners that are just not very interested in. aggressively pursuing that, and so… I only bring that up to say that, um… if it's not obvious what that would be, so it would probably be in a different context that we would need to tackle.

[237:01] Next year, and two years. Yeah, I can see that happening, and that has kind of bubbled as a… potential, I mean, as Mark said, is the Economic Development Office, culture and economic development office builds out. Those are the types of things that you want capacity as a city to… do that kind of research. That's my understanding. Yeah, and I'll also mention that the other tools that were elevated. last council that we're implementing. The different, uh, economic financing tools all should help contribute to addressing commercial vacancy, but in terms of the. the zoning component, I could think that's more of compound implementation, perhaps, into Tarms. One last quick add to this is that I have heard. Um, from some of our partners, that if it were to be elevated, that's a council priority, that might galvanize some interest. Knowing that Council's interested, knowing that. there may be some updates to Council that our partners can come to. So, for what it's worth, I'm sharing that. Yep, you done on that one?

[238:04] Okay, two more. I'm glad you're back. I was like, Brad, I don't know where you're going. Brad, give us, um, the high level on scoping future efforts to reform or rewrite Title IX. Again. difference between council priority and not Council priority, and impacts if it is prioritized. Thank you. So, Title IX, I think everybody understands, is the development code. Um, it… Uh, it is very true that development codes, um, over time evolved to be what I sometimes refer to as the Frankensteining. It's not a critique of them, it's just as you add to it over time, you're fixing this piece, or you're addressing this piece and that piece, and that. Uh, development code hasn't comprehensively looked at since, um. I think 1998. So it's, uh, it's due for some sort of look. Um, certainly as regards this scope, we would have the capacity to do it as. Uh… Matt mentioned earlier, it would happen later in the year because of its logical sequencing after the comprehensive plan.

[239:09] Um, what would be different about this as a council priority versus not, is it would certainly add weight to the fact that this needs to be a major work plan item. 2027. Uh, it is something that would take probably 18 to 24 months to do, based on my experience doing it in other jurisdictions. We would want to get a consultant, so there's a budget aspect to it, so that they can. not only manage… help manage the workload of that, but probably more importantly, give insight into the things that we would have blind spots to after. working with it, you know, for years. Both the city attorney's office, and that's… With all due respect and acknowledgement from. from Teresa, so, uh, that would be a part of it as well, but we recognize it's probably time when the city's history to do something like that. I prefer the term.

[240:01] Overhaul, just so that we're not. Uh, implying that there's something fundamentally broken with it, because after all, it was been a result of thoughtful decisions by councils for many years. Which isn't to say that we wouldn't bring some of the feedback from. Um, conference plan into it for some targeted updates. But really, it would be as much about overhauling it so that it's… user-friendly and internally consistent in those types of things. So, of course I want to do this, but… as a devil's advocate type of question, why would I not just put it on for next year? Should I get the elected? No, I'm just kidding. Well, uh, I think what this does is get a running startup towards it, because if we had that as a council priority in February of March, and then do an RFP. That's another 2-3 months, that type of thing. legwork that would set up a future council, next year's council, if they wanted to prioritize this, then there would be the background work to do that.

[241:03] Okay. Other questions? All right, thanks, Brad. All right, last but not least, transit strategy? Hi. Welcome. around like I'm a kid. Not the next step. to that later. Flyeth Bailey, I'm Director of Transportation and Mobility. Um, I think, um… couple things is, as you know, there's a county transit plan that's already underway. I'm realizing I'm really hoarse. I had a cold last week. I'm 98% certain I'm done with it until I start talking, I think, gosh. That sounds… sound like a… you know, the first one I like Scooch and all that.

[242:02] We are… I want to put a plug in, our tab is meaning to not 6pm, and on our agenda is an update on. the county transit plan, which we do plan to have tonight's touchpoint, as well as. at least one other in… 2026. Um… We also have already identified staff, leadership staff, who are involved in transit planning, who are going to be working very closely in the county plan. Um, and then also chatting with my colleague Brad Mueller through the BBCP. We expect that there will be some priorities and some. aspects of that that will point towards good transit policy for the city. Um, so I think my thinking here is that. This is an item that does not require any work plan adjustments based on what we're already planning to do in 2026. So, Council were to prioritize it, it would change nothing in your life? It depends on what was prioritized, um, and the whole idea of a citywide transit plan would be a huge endeavor, but if the priority is for us to.

[243:04] Actively coordinate and collaborate through the county's plan, look for our own priorities, reinforce them through the tab and the Council. Um, that we would advocate for having an opportunity to weigh in specifically, as well as the BBCP, and yes, I don't think it would. make a considerable difference in our workload. Cool. Council, questions? Nicole, and then Ray. Um, so with the current plan, uh, what was… Would Council already have an update on this, discuss it? And you mentioned Tava's doing that tonight. you know, I'm on Dr. Cogg said, yes, I'll see this, but is this, um, is this something council that will be brought to Council in that other study sessions? My newness here, I don't know… I don't know processes. I don't know how that process would work. I think what we're advocating for is that we would want the Council to take action. Now, I don't know if that would happen. So you're happy with the ask to just bring this before Council, we can bring it to the study session. Okay, and that's not a… Even without our status to do that, that would just… okay.

[244:03] Oh, great. Right, so we just get it cheaper. Yep. And if you did, just be cool. Oh, trust me, I'm honest. Ryan. That was my question, but now I have a new question here, Matt. So, I think I'm hearing. There is a plan to bring this to Council in a study session. Whether… we don't need to prioritize for that. Yep. Thank you. Gotcha. Alright. You are free to ask. Lovelies! I've been seeing people trickle out in one season, two seasons to go to the restroom. I wonder if we should take a quick bio break. Um, the time is 2.30, whatever that is, 5. Um, when we come back, like, be brief, come back at a quarter till, then we'll take any questions that you have on these. Please don't ask a question on every single one. Like, if you ask a question, it's because you're, like, legit considering spending one of your next round of dots on one of these things. Um, so, if you need a question, fantastic, but they will be brief. Staff, I will look for your very, very brief responses, and you will be very clear about the difference between if it is prioritized and if it is not.

[245:07] Um, and then we will do dots. Um, I will come around and pick up your, uh, your playing cards and redistribute, so if, uh, you have those be obvious while you're breaking, that would be grand. Everyone got a plan? Sweet, you go!

[255:39] I have had several requests for… Absolutely must be done by 4, and since I have a 4 o'clock meeting, if it could be done by a little bit before 4, that would be great. So we will be done by 4. Goodbye. Couple quick reminders before I ask you to be very, very deliberative in which of these items you want to ask questions about.

[256:03] several of you, as I was eavesdropping on some of your one-on-ones, say, it's so important that we just focus on what we're already doing. And then I'm like, okay, but there's time, guys. 11 things. And then I also remind you, contacts. and one-year work plan. So the number of things that can be done. in any… in this one year is already smaller than what is on this board. But if you would like to consider. One of these items, I'll take one round of questions. Um, one question, one very clear answer. on these items, if you must know them. There is no penalty for not having a question at this time. Any member of Council want to ask a clarifying question about one of these items? Okay, Tina, go. On the e-bike emoto questions, we already asked staff to create a memo about the landscape, the regulatory landscape.

[257:02] is there a natural next step to address the actual issue, not just understand it, or… We require Council for emergency to actually do something to change what the landscape looks like now. Discounts have to prioritize. in order to see the next step. So I understand that the lip will require accounts of priority once we know the. scope of what's being researched. So right now, we shouldn't expect anything to change. Absolutely. Can I follow up? we may not have any latitude. What if we made it a priority and come back and actually say, well, there's nothing you can do? Can we not check in after we hit the memo, and then consider. deprioritizing something. To add it. Then we have a conversation about turnout. Hi! I didn't understand what just happened. Erin, can you clarify what you just asked and what you thought the answer was? So, my point would be… was that it would be very hard to make it a priority without knowing whether we would be able to take any effective actions. We need that memo before we would know that.

[258:08] So my question is, let's say that we don't make it a priority, but we get the memo, and it looks interesting, could we then deprioritize something at that time, and make this a priority at that. Then we have a conversation about traffic. Yes, and then a follow-up, are we currently enforcing emotos on trails at all? Oh, sir. Anyway, on open space trails? Did you say trails? All right, it's based system. Um, it would be… the answer is yes, if we see something that's a violation, we will enforce. Then we have issued citations. Not very many on open space. on the open space system trains, so… which may be different than transportation mechanics. Are you currently enforcing… Emoto rules on city trails. Yes, because emotes aren't addressed into the ordinance, so they are.

[259:08] Oh, fantastic, fantastic! Alright, make good choices, people, make good choices. Thank you, sir. Tara, I'm ready to move on. I mean… like, we're not gonna talk about each one of these for 20 minutes. Oh, sorry. Yeah. Tara, clarifying question on one of these items. Uh, no, I… She has a question, just go to Mark. Fantastic, Mark! Um, I have a couple of questions with respect to. Um… Acting a charter change. Well, Parks and Rec, 112. money for me. Questions are what? They had the US. And two, can it be done by alternate means, either through the. charter committee, or through. long-term financial strategies, in which case it does not have to be a priority.

[260:01] And sounds like a Dan question. Oh, Chris question, actually. Chris, no question. So, we had some of this already done, as Chris said, Chris, go ahead. Um, we had some of this, uh, information. We brought this forward as part of our Financial Strategies Committee. Um, we did some polling. It's not polling well. 37.5%. That was the public wrap tax. So, so we pulled a public… Oh, that's right, sorry. So, uh, with that… This is expanding the use of the… It's expanding the use of the parts track. So that's how we approached it in the past. really lining up with the financial strategy of trying to unrestrict funds, giving them a broader purpose. So that is what we did with the long-term financial strategy last year, and that's something we would, I think, continue to encourage ahead. Um, is to cover parks, but also expand that for broader use and purpose.

[261:06] So we've done some initial legwork. I think you'll see a couple more this year as part of the long-term financial… We're planning to bring it forward this year? Yes. So we can get it done to the… Strategies Committee about making it a… priority. Correct on that? Yeah, and maybe if… I don't know. Bring it up to then answer is, if the question and the real issue is. How do we find more funding for Parks and Recreation, or how do we find more funding for. X service or Y service. That's really what a lot of this Fund Our Future engagement with the community is. Yes. There are lots of services that we would love to add additional funding to. And probably more than we could even go ask the community for. So there will be trade-offs. So if the question is. Will we be having through the Fund Our Future and long-term financial strategy conversation and conversation part?

[262:00] increasing or changing the funding levels for… various services across the city, yes. This is not about… No, this is about this particular… If it's specifically about, are we going to modify the Permanent Parks and Rec Fund. Uh, and… and broaden it. I think we can have that as a part of the long-term financial strategy conversation. Unrestricting that. Yes. Okay. Theresa, do you want to talk? They could do it under the Charter Committee as well, and it's not a big one. Apologies that I was… Those food and ag… product. Okay, no. Chris was apologizing, Taisha's got a question. Go. No, I'm on food and ag. Yeah, that's what I meant. And I'm looking at… Okay, Deanna's behind you, so that's why I was looking. Okay, but… My question is, is, um, if this does not become a council priority, the urban Ag.

[263:00] Um, is the… components that were in there as far as reducing the barrier for shading and some of those atypical structures. Is that something that is already in the… Yeah, I think for what happens in the urban environment, it's probably a little bit outside the scope for the Open Space Mountain Parks Department, so maybe there's a phone the friend of the Friend or such a huge friend. I would also mention, uh, that, uh, we also have in our Lunch and Learn on agriculture, that's… sort of the urban and the rural agricultural as one system, but uh… I don't know if I have a good answer for your specific question of what could happen. Okay. Yeah, no worries. Uh, yeah, because, uh, all of the agricultural lands for the open space system are in Boulder County, so we work with them on hoop house. Yeah, this would be the non-receased land. Going to Brad, Brad! I'm gonna defer to Christopher on that. And I apologize, Councilmember question. It was around the use of open space land, is that right? No, it is in reference to… there was anything related to removing barriers to having atypical structures like shading structures.

[264:20] poop houses, greenhouses. in our non-leased language. Yeah, it certainly is a part of the, um, nature-based solutions, uh, work plan this year. Certainly creating more resources and tools for understanding what you can do within the current urban environment around. Things like, um… But what's the term? Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, so there's the… Um, awning issues, and then there's, um, what kind of structures are allowable within the city, what types of codes you need to comply with. So that is actually part of the, um, existing plan that Brett and Karen's team is working on. So, I would say that that's going to happen irrespective. I don't see an elevated.

[265:01] left, we don't really see there to be barriers. Specifically, we see there to be, um, educational issues that we're working on as part of the work plan. And then, uh, prairie dogs. Oh, makes sense. I can set that thing in there? These guys got it very much. Well, the answer's no, it's basically what I discovered. I can take the answer based off of that. That's all other questions out of time. Nicole. As you were. Okay, right, then you want… Alright, so my question is around, um, just understanding our housing needs, and I'm just wondering, what are we doing this year to understand, um, our biggest housing needs gaps, and how are we prepared to tap into. The regional housing strategy that Dr. Podge has been working on, um, which is going to give us policy solutions to our most pressing policy needs, because.

[266:03] I have asked every single one of you in this room what our biggest housing needs gap is, and I get a different answer of 8 different people. You know, it's housing for seniors, it's wildfire Resilient housing, housing for middle-income families with children, um, housing for low-income people with disabilities, housing for people with substance use disorders and mental illness. It really is kind of all over the place. And every single person that I talk to thinks that. theirs is the biggest housing need, so we can't… nine people cannot be right when they work. But surprising answer is I'm sorry. So, uh, but what I'm wondering is, uh, what are we doing this year to understand that? Because making policy based on not having data. is kind of a liability. not leave a liability. For number of housing and human services. Uh, by sitting down, it's lost the bat. Um… So, um, and I've mentioned this to a couple of council members, you'll see on the.

[267:04] CEC agenda that will be coming to Council on March 5th. Um, and, um, we've appreciated the outline that we've received in the retreat document about, sort of, what they're looking for. And how you just described it there. Um, we will be providing, um. Uh, an update on our affordable housing programs. But also trying to bring together a lot of the data points. We have lots of data in our community about the needs, what the needs are. Yeah, we need to bring that together. So, we'll be working… we're already working with Dr. Cogg. And with bringing information out of that. That's been a very helpful resource. It's also helped us with some of our. Um, uh, required information to provide to the state under Prop 123. Um, and our team's also met with the state demographers, um, that's given us.

[268:01] Really good information about what we should expect as a community over the next 20 years. Around a different impact. Power Zoom meetings. So, what we plan on presenting to Council is. Um, this is what we accomplished, and this will have as far as housing. This is what the data points are telling us about. What the needs are. Um, so it won't be just, um, housing. types, and just housing tenure. Um, but also, um, the types of people and the types of needs that they have. And, uh, we believe there's a lot of professional needs. Um, there are, um, that are unfulfilled in the, in the community. We're working on. Uh, another project for individuals development for disabilities. Uh, seniors, permanent supportive housing. And so I think that that is going to help us have a, um… of the Congress or public conversation.

[269:01] about what that looks like. Um, and my hope is from that meeting, from that March 5th meeting. Um, once you hear that, and once you read the memo. You'll be able to give us more feedback as well. Well, what's your, um, seeing and identifying. As those gaps. And are you expecting that that then will tap into the housing… regional housing strategy that will be coming forward as well, so that that will inform policy, basically, or help us inform policy. That's correct. Both, um, both within the Dr. Cogg work. But also, our… the regional housing partnership. Um, that includes all of the municipalities and the county in Boulder County. Um, there's also, you know, sort of working on that together as well. So, basically, is there anything that would change if this were a priority for Council? I don't think that anything didn't change, but what I would say is. The document, as it was described to us for this meeting.

[270:02] This really gives us a helpful outline of what you're wanting to see. Thanks, Greg. Tour the march there. I mean, there's nothing special. Correct. The needs of the CU student population and their enrollment thoughts? Um, I'm not sure that we had planned on that. Um, we do meet, we see occasionally to understand that. I'm not sure that we have a better understanding. Um, what that looks like. Um, but we are able to kind of break out what it looks like. Got it. And also, looking at the development that's occurring. Um, right now. It's the most to meet those needs, yeah. I mean, it's the most popular bulk style. Yes. Yeah. But if you really want to move on with us. Will I also have information around what her needs will be, and… 20, 30 years, like, 2050, which was the scale at which the doctor project operates. So we'll have that information.

[271:11] About not just current gaps, but future gaps. Yes. Okay, thank you. I would like to point out that, um, Kurt's doing a great job just saying yes, and then not talking anymore. Great. Your excuse? Matt. You tell me. Um, uh, retroactive wildfire mitigation. I kind of want to get a sense of… We've got a lot of carrots. And we also have a lot of patients built into our RUBI code of having to wait decades for permits or scrapes to get that, to get some resiliency on the western side account. So I sort of want to get a sense from staff. What in the plan over the next little bit will help us get. the western edge and homes. safe in the current, and what trade-offs do we have? With regards to not doing this, and what are the consequences of not doing this? That was, like, 5 questions, Matt. But it's all the same.

[272:06] Huh? So… So we're talking about the retroactive… At the end of the day, wildfire mitigation? Yeah. So, first of all, um, not even this one says wildlife instead of wildfire, which is great. We know you meant! Retroactive wildfire mitigation for existing homes. What are the consequences of not elevating it to a council priority, and what do they get if they do elevate it to a council priority? Great question. Uh, good afternoon, Council. Mike Alvarazzo, Fire Chief. Um… I thought with all the wildfire stuff, I wasn't gonna get called up here. That was cute, yeah. Anyway, um, so, I don't know that I have a… Um, I don't know that I have a good, quick answer. You all got the number of detail assessments that we put out, a thousand. We just expanded the WUI, as we did last year, so we're now at about 16,000 homes.

[273:02] Um, you can do the math pretty easily, it will take us quite a while to get around to the homes that we do have, assuming everyone who volunteers to get it done gets done, which. Obviously, it's a voluntary program, so it's… it'll be a real challenge. I have a staff of 3 that does the work. Um, we do use some community health. But it's… it's, uh, you know, it will take a while. It's not a one-year project, it's no more than that. I'll also add to it that, um, the recommendation really is, once we're done, we're supposed to start over. So, like, every 3 years, you're really supposed to be doing it. These kinds of detailed home assessments, they're not as detailed as we fix. what's out there in the interface. But, um… That's… that's basically the short version of… we're not going to get there anytime soon. Um, short of… rebuilding, which will take. However long anyone wants to spotlight. So… It'll be a while before we get truly, I would say, resilient in a way that, um.

[274:07] We might hope to be. And I think we'd want to know. long-term, what Council would like in terms of policy and how aggressive we could be, but it's definitely not a single year. simple answer that I can give you, that we're going to get… we're gonna get there. Maybe we get another thousand this year, hopefully. And the threshold question. be answered by Council, but do you want us to go retro or not, which is not… Which is a different question, yes. It's the same, it's the same, it's the same question. Right. Because last time we talked about this last year. We didn't say whether we liked it or didn't, just said that there wasn't… given the trade-offs of the current work stuff. We didn't want to shift other priorities to answer those questions. So, some of those things are… so it poses the same question now that we're in a different work environment. Is this something that we're interested of asking that question of, do we want to think about retroactive?

[275:02] Um, and if so, what would that look like? It can, of course, not be done in one year, because this is a multi-year, multi-decade. It's just setting a policy that then. Safe, of course. Yep, Brian, so brief. Bye, excuse me, my interpretation of the item that is cost-benefit assessment of wildfire Issues. is the thing that answers the question, that gets at, of… between. retroactive requirements, more carrots, different kinds of fire breaks, fuel management. That is meant to help ask this question of. What do we get for various things, and what do they cost us, both in terms of direct expense. Um, and otherwise… Would you… is that a fair assessment of how you think about that? So, absolutely. So, in terms of work plan, and I'll speak from the wildfire. team that works on across the different departments. This is… this is not something we're working on as complete package in the home. So, if this is something Council would like.

[276:01] the executive team really, really worked hard at putting together. Um, we definitely would have to have a conversation in terms of… while putting that ball pack together. Here's where you get the big spend. I think… is where we'd like to go. Um, we have a bunch of projects, and to an extent, that work has been done, but in terms of a. policy question and laying it all out, that is not… I honestly could tell you that it's not something we've said we were gonna do. The election may be faulty, but I… leave that we were… Why is that… Retroactive. Switch. would not pass legal clusters. Is that the case, or… She may not be able to get it. Do you have a… We have a confidential legal memo on this subject, and…

[277:05] I'm not going to disclose my confidential legal advice in public. Great! Great. Alright. I'm ready to move on? Are you on this exact same point and so brief? New point. Great. Mike, your excuse. Thank you, darling. Please, Tina. Uh, if you do not prioritize the substations, um, do we know. And the other one who may not be under consideration. I don't know, Alistair, how… I'm sure you've talked to the Chief, but I know that the Chief and I have conversations about those currently. Okay, and then similarly. Uh, if we don't talk about the library, does that prevent you in any capacity from. Talking with the library, just understanding their plans, and maybe when you and the county and the district. NCU and the library talked about the available properties together, correct? When we do that? When you do that. Uh, Chris talks to the library all the time. What do you think that's? Yeah, uh, so I meet with the library district once a month.

[278:08] already, and they're doing their speedu stuff, so if you don't prioritize this conversation now. the IGA says that we'll have a conversation about it next year. Yep. And just, uh, because the IGA says that we're going to, and we'll have a conversation next year. Uh, is that without our… We both prevent you from, um, having some of those conversations now, not around. What are we going to do with these buildings, but for when they're saying, hey, you know, we do or do not think that we might have a use for these buildings, um, in our strategy. Does that prevent you from, sort of. that the IGA says 2027. Got any problem with having some conversations now about, huh, that's interesting, because when I think about X, Y, or Z, I mean… Is there… Yeah, nothing holds us back from having those conversations, and that is part of what we've engaged with them on, is…

[279:05] some strategy, future strategy, what they're thinking. So, um, yeah, we're good. Okay, cool. Have we answered all the burn and burning questions? Surely. Not all the questions that you could possibly ask, but just the burn-in-burn. Sounds like so. Fantastic. Here's what we're gonna do. I'm gonna go to each member of council. Uh, the following options. You may say, Heather, I would like to move one of these items to the new fresh board for the final round of Council dotting. You will only be dotting items on this floor, to be clear. Or, you may say, Heather, I have had another amazing idea that I'm going to briefly describe. Nadia's going to write down, and we're not going to have any more conversation around it, because we're going to move on. Or you can say, I'm good, I don't need to do anything. So that means, at most. We will add, potentially. 9 things to this. Here's what you need to be thinking about.

[280:02] You have two dots. to spend on up to 9 things that might find their way on this board. We will go exactly as we did before. One dot at a time, one person at a time, iCard goes first. Round one, low-carb goes first, round two, and then we're going to look at it, but… in order for anything to make it from this board over to the… going to be discussed in further detail tomorrow for final decisions. items from that board will have to have 5 dots. So, what you might be thinking about is, okay, now I want to game this system. There are a few more items that find their way onto this paper. The greater the odds that those items will find their way. You dead? Cool, cool, cool, cool. Okay, yes. So, the ones that give 5 votes today become priorities, but what will be part of the discussion tomorrow? Once we get 5 votes today, just become part of the discussion tomorrow. You're not making them priorities for the future. You're just saying we want to make those part of the official discussions tomorrow.

[281:07] If I'm making any decisions about priorities today. Just saying, there's enough of you that care enough about one of these which did not previously get a dot, and you'll notice, generally speaking, we're pretty low. In the priority ranking, you're just saying, now there's enough of us that care enough about it. That we want to talk about integrated sales tomorrow. So the voting is just elevating things from these two sheets, potentially, to that. That is correct. That is correct. Only if you want to. That is correct. Don't get all the way, right, but you don't have to, that's right. For example, and do they have to put it down? No. They do not. No, exactly. They may abstain from any of it. Yes. Thank you for that question! Oh my god, teacher's Pat, again, two teachers' pets today. Yeah, it's impressive. I'm only going to do that, then I would have asked one more question. That was… we know the subject limit growth of rental licenses in sensitive areas, like the Hill and Martin.

[282:03] I'm wondering if that's one of your priority. It depends. If it's a research what tools we may have. That might be something that we can do in one year, if it's research and. Get an ordinance together and figure that out, that is likely, given the. Um, stuff that's on Teresa's team's plate, likely more than I. Right. Okay. In no particular order, I will ask. If anyone would like to take any one of these three actions. Uh, Rob, I'm going to start with you. Would you like to elevate a thing, create a new thing, or do nothing? Thank you, sir. Oh, wow! However, restoring! Okay, bouncing over this way, Nicole. Do nothing! Going over this way, Tina!

[283:01] Uh… do nothing. Fantastic! Karen! Disappoint Maria. mean for thousands of these houses. Thank you! So, answer it, excuse me. Taisha! Um, I would like to add a new one. Okay. Um, I would like to add scenario planning for disaster response. Very nice. Scenario planning for disaster response. Okay, so that would be this one. I know, I was gonna watch her, I was like, she can just write back. While Nadia is writing that. Tara! Love this, love this. I know you're getting questioned, but let's give your colleagues your attention. Tara.

[284:00] Um, let me start the rental license is in sensitive areas. You are… you are elevating that for further dottage. Thank you, darling. All right. And… yeah. Aaron, put mine up, so we're good to go. Fantastic! Extra cut it over there. Mark! I'm going to second, uh, Tara's suggestion. Fantastic! We like to whisper a month or so. I mean, apparently. You know, that snow thing on the big pie. With transportation, the people sliding down the hill. Ah, yes, that would be a new year. suggestion. Are you rescinding your, your, your, your, your seconding? You're not spending your dots at all, right? Now you just get to either add something here, move something over here, or do nothing. Then I will… Well, I'd like to have a review on our snow plowing.

[285:00] New item, review of snow plowing and policy. Okay? And then that is at that except for you? Is that everyone? Yeah, Ryan, last but not least, darling. I'd like to add a new thing. Okay? I would like to dig into the board and commission's recommendations. Uh, I don't think we have any there yet. So, um… Communication strategy around transportation vision for Boulder. Okay. Communication strategy around transport… say it again, Sachigarh? Communication strategy around transportation vision for Boulder. Hi! All right. Now, while Nadia is. fine printing this. Same thing as before. That's only on these items. Round 1, actually, again, it's just… Why are you so surprised? Every time. And then, things on this list that get 5 or more?

[286:00] Move on to this list, that's all we're doing, setting the stage for tomorrow, darlins. Alright. iCard! Goes first. Yeah, well, I said, one more time there. And Nadia's getting really sassy with all of us, she's underlying the T on that one. You see why she fits on my team, right? All right. Nadia, will you take these items? Looks like a couple of them are about to jump. The two new ones are gonna jump, and… Erin, you have high card? I have. You have high card. Fantastic! All right. There's one or two on there that are new, that nobody's heard of, nobody's asked about, or maybe it's just mine? 20 to 30 seconds, so people know what that even is? Do you want to promise me that it's 20 or 30 seconds? Yeah. Okay, cool. So the comm strategy for transportation, that's a board and commission recommendation, it's our only Board and Commission recommendation out there is from PAB.

[287:05] The idea is to help the community understand what's going on with all of these. corridor changes we're doing, and picks up on the BBCP updates we're doing, just to communicate in a proactive way beyond project, in a broad way, to the community. What are we doing with our transportation system? Fantastic, I like that. Do you want to say a similarly brief thing, um, about, uh, snowplow policy? Well, we've had a lot of controversy over. There we plow, where we don't plow. when we focus to… discuss that. Great. Fantastic. Uh, both from the perspective of… I know the team is already working on our most vulnerable populations, however, um, it continues to be a growing issue, especially from a financial perspective. Now we know that FEMA is not forthcoming with return funds. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. Very small clarification. I believe the form-based code revision is carried forward from the planning board letter. Yeah. All right, hold on.

[288:08] Yes. Similarly, is… are the two new ones, are they cheaper than a year, just from staff? Sal, can you clarify that new items can be done in a year? Starting with scenarium planning for disaster relief, can that be done here? We're actually planning on that already, but yes. But for Council, not just for internal… Yeah, for Council. Yep, forward council, and you can get it done a year. Look how laughable he is! He's like, yeah. Cool. Yeah, I was looking at if it's already happening. Okay, fantastic. Okay, wait, hold on, I'm just taking notes. All right, wait. You get punchy. You're getting punchy. Okay, Taisha said, if they're already doing it, I'll take it off, and then, um, Nicole said, but really quickly, I have a quick question. Go ahead. Does that include stuff like in Altadena right now, about 60% of people who lost their homes in a fire are about to have their homes foreclosed on? Like, is… are we… is that the relief that we're talking about? Like, how are we thinking about what happens after a disaster?

[289:04] When people have lost their homes and their livelihoods. So, Michael, over to you. We were talking about kind of a disaster 101. What would that include? So, two… well, to that question immediately would be to take a disaster scenario, run counsel through the scope of where we are, level set. current capabilities in the community, take you through an actual scenario. Work through the impacts and leads you into a recovery, and then the impacts of recovery. The other side of that, if we're talking about a community scenario, that would be something different than council. the answer, we could do yes to both. If that was council direction. Oh, so we only have accounts, but not community park. No, I heard just… Council. You say community, so just to be clear, I want council and community. So, if they want community… Scenario planning, like what you just said, that needs different. That's different. Okay, thank you. And that'll be targeted towards our most vulnerable, that would be, uh, mobility.

[290:00] Um, low income and, um, those without cars. Okay, um, review of snow plowing policy, can that be done in a year? No. You'll be nonsense, but… Say two sentences about why not. two sentences. Two sentences. I think part of the issue is there's a lot of communications that would be needed in engagement around it would have to be thorough. I think we did that 2 years ago. To do it again would be a substantial effort. Not to say it would be worth it, I just think it would be very hard to do it in one year. Sorry, that's more than two sentences. And probably the same people that are doing that are likely working on Sundance stuff. Oh, yes. Terry, clarification on that item? Make it a smaller scope, meaning adding a few blocks in of. seniors that are breaking their legs on the ice up until… would that take more than a year? I think it's part of our program to evaluate every year. I don't want to evaluate every 10 minutes.

[291:03] But evaluate every year. I think we promised addition. So, in that sense. you're doing that anyway. I think we're doing that anyway. Great. Okay. And then, uh, common strategy around transportation vision for Boulder. Can that be done in a year? Uh, it depends on the scope. Uh, what was in… can you say what was in the, uh, tab letter? Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um… Key thing is… What's the comp strategy, distinct from a project? Based community engagement, should help community members understand how various projects and policies fit. to an overall vision for improved transportation in Boulder, and their implications for quality of life, economic. Vitality and the safety of vulnerable users, clear, accessible, comprehensive comms. Um… that's the idea. Okay, so, since I heard something, something, something, engagement. You said it probably could take… a little more than a year. You want meaningful engagement around what the vision should be. If it's a matter of just explaining.

[292:09] Putting in order for people to see what we're already doing and why, then it probably could be done 12 months. Okay? If it's just outgoing comms, one-way comms from you to the community, that can be done in a year. If it's a conversation with the community, that's going to take longer? Correct. Fantastic. And could I just talking, I was reading. So this is about. how to complete the CAN, um, advancing other visions or priorities, and getting community buy-in with the TMF. So those are specific. I have that change my thoughts. Okay, alright. You ready? Lucky number 10, one back, hit. Um, no, I trust you completely. One dot first round, and then we go back the other way, yep. Only on that one, that's right. What? Is that what that means? Oh yeah, yes, yes, yes. You were sassing me, yes, that's what that means.

[293:05] All right, who's 9? You don't have your dog, you may have stayed. Aaron snuck up on me. Aaron's like, hi, I need ready for this. Still purchasing dot from the side. All right, Steven, are you ready? All right. There comes lucky number 7. Are you taking our picture so you keep counting? I've got 6, I got 6. There's gonna be 5?

[294:05] It's like public comment, right? You gotta be ready for, like, when you're next time. Thank you! Great. Wait, are we just doing what? Just one, and then we're gonna go around again, just like we did last time. Alright, Tina. Well, I did 2, I see two, sorry. Sorry, sorry. I'm doing two. Can I take one off? Yes, you should. If you want an attack, it's ridiculous. I mean, that's… yeah. There is, like, you know, this moment, I don't want it to be, and you have any dots at this moment. Oh, great. Okay. There are 3 or 4? Okay.

[295:04] Just one. Just one. Oh, okay, yep. Okay. Nicole is number 2, so she's gonna put her first dot and her second dot, and then we're gonna come back to you, Tyusha's number 3. She's like, 10 minutes. Gravitas is those dots. The dots don't compare to each other right now. The only person… the purpose of these dots is to see which one you want to move into the conversation for tomorrow. Oh, and it has to be a 5. Right, that's right. All right, are you… Picture, are you… are you… yeah, yeah. You can also abstain, it's fine. Like, I was here. That's true. It was cute that you said that, Heather, but that's…

[296:01] Right. Next. Yeah. Yep. Tina's 5. 6 through 7. Ah, it'd be good. It had to have one! It just made me laugh. I had a couple really serious counsels this year, thanks for being fun. Last from the last two seconds. Sorry. Isn't it your fault? Can I please?

[297:04] I do believe that my alcohol after that. Yeah, Mark. Meeting expenses, yeah. All right. Sophos! We hear them thinking back there is very heavy thinking. All right. Maya? And then in a delightful turn of events, our newest council member gets the last dot. Heidi. Like, watch me go make a difference, right?

[298:08] It's… Are you excited? It's not. Okay. So, that means… Or tomorrow! You now have 3, 6, 9, 12… 13, 14 things to figure out which of them you are not actually going to do. Um… Before I give folks some thinking homework, uh. For tonight. Nuria, is there anything that you want folks to be thinking about regarding this list of 14 things? Is there a version of the world where you do all of these? No. No. Theresa.

[299:01] Did we talk about whether limit growth or parental licenses in sensitive areas is a one-year priority? I think we said if research… is a one-year priority, but anything beyond that, yes. Thank you. Reflections on this list for us? I mean, A, I think all the priorities were really. thoughtful, and these are really terrific priorities, but with all the context of everything that's happening this year, in one year. It's impossible to do all these, right, as we know. So, I just ask that you really think about the departments that are impacted, right? Um… who can do what? In particular, I'm thinking of my colleague here. Uh, and CAO that has some of these, who, who is… Um, impacted by these. And then, really, what are your very, very top priorities? Because some of these are really terrific.

[300:02] some of these can wait, some of these are not. completely urgent at the moment. Um, so I'd be thinking about that. Staff is going to be thinking about some of this, and hopefully team, if there is some additional. scoping that we need to think more through. Then I ask that you briefly think about that for tomorrow, briefly. So briefly. Um… So, that's all I got. Okay, yep. Alright, for tomorrow. Yeah, we can type it up and email it out to Tisha. No, but you may also take pictures of them if you want. Okay, you said you have a question? Well, it was going to be add-on to your point about departments. It would be helpful to know which departments. I mean, as far, you know… We can do that. And maybe a lead department, and then that would be significantly impacted? Yeah, okay, fantastic, thanks for that. Brian, do you have a question? Same, same, just some assessment, if it's possible.

[301:02] They're probably… we had this first list before staff did there. presentation of, say, knock down some of them. So, are we gonna start with getting rid of those, or is none of my business how you're going to do it? Well, so here's what I would say. We could do it a couple of ways. My preference would be, I will give you dots in the morning. And if what you've heard from staff makes you think that you don't need to prioritize that anymore, you should not put your dots there. Um, if what you heard from staff, you're like, I still think it's important, I want to put a dot on it, that is a choice that you are free to make. Oh, so we're starting with an all… a new slate. Yes. That's why I was telling you, like, like, don't… we will rewrite these. They will look different, you won't even be able to remember what the dots were from today. Nicole, how many dots do we get in the morning? There's a number of things things get from that first exercise, then, so you need to. Thank you for asking that. Um, my… my current thinking is that I would give you three dots.

[302:03] Um, and that that will be the final dotting. Um, and if there is a clear set of priorities, which would be awesome, beach steps, um… then that would be Grant. And if they're scattered about like they were today, then we might have to do more dining, but my expectations with some conversation, we can narrow it down. Before we have some opportunity in the morning to have some discussion. With each other about something. I'm just, I'm trying to think about how we… Yeah, yeah. Yep. Where's at breakfast time? You might think about… Here's something that I see your hand, Matt, I'll come in a second. Here's the… here's the thing just to remember. Right? Is, um… What's important to people is what's important to people. And I'm not sure you're going to convince other people with lengthy and compelling speeches. Part of why I asked you to do that one-on-one time.

[303:00] Um, today is to really listen to understand what your friends and colleagues around the table are thinking about and prioritizing. Optimally, that would influence your thinking. Um, so tomorrow, if we want to have some discussion time, and by some, I mean, like, one hour. That would be the absolute max, because I'm not sure you're going to talk yourself into an easy decision. What you're going to have to do is make a hard decision. Because it's a one-year work plan, you have all of that, and none of these ideas are met. back. Um… Could we turn that board towards the camera, so anybody in the public can see what's on the board? Absolutely. Um, anyone… do you all need to look at this while I do that? Okay, cool. Can you tell the people that the dots are not necessarily how you feel about you? Somebody who may well take a screenshot of that without any context. So we can't solve that. Right, that's a Zoom problem. Okay, Taisha, question.

[304:02] Um, would it be possible to have staff speak to… I mean, I know that you all just… you just said, yes, we should do it in one, but… in the year time frame, but if there was time during that hour to ask staff questions as well on some of the new ones. Yeah, sorry, do some of that. if within the hour that we have. Yes, I like the way you framed that. Thank you. Yeah, that made me like it a lot. Yeah. Two questions from question one, um, so we each get three dots. This is your thinking, we each get three dots, and is it first ones to five, sort of, that does it, or is it more complicated than that? Not first ones, but the one… The ones that I… yeah. Um, I confess you, I haven't thought that far, because I didn't know how many of these you had. I mean, I need to think about what will of capital will look like, can I tell you that in the morning? Sure. Okay, thank you. Sorry. My second question. We have a commitment to the end time tomorrow, or just wait and see? Um, it's just 4, but we talked about trying to finish earlier, but I… I don't want to… I mean… I don't want to… first of all, it's all up to you all, right? So, here's what I can say for sure. We're going to be done with this at lunch.

[305:06] Because we just have, right? After lunch, you have 8 process improvement things to talk about. I did not anticipate that taking until 4 o'clock, but you have some time surprised me. Yes, uh, Mark, and then Nicole. If previously been asked, you know, on top. four or five priorities. Shouldn't we be getting four or five dollars? There's the thing! When we… this sort of gets to Ryan's question. When we constrain the number of dots. You do have some incentive to try to figure out where there is some shared priority and some sense of the will of your colleagues. Um, the more dots I give you, the easier it is to be like, well, I know nobody else wants this, but I really, really, really want it.

[306:01] And then we have more, um, islands. I am prepared to pivot if there is not an obvious pattern in tomorrow's dotting exercise. Um, but I hope that you will think really carefully about what you heard today, and that there will be. I may ask because there seem to be very little consensus. And the top tier items… This is why I am prepared that you might have the dot twice. I would hate that. That would make me feel sad. Because people get through it together, Martin. We will get through it together. Or should we be fragile. I know! Do you want to sit next to these models so we can help each other. This is… Hey, how are you? Nicole. No, this is possible. I just throw out something I would love to lock in tomorrow at 8:30. Yes. Got it. We have refreshed every high-level leader in the city organization, in this room right now.

[307:03] I am so curious that if nobody were looking. Where would you put your three dots? And is there any way that we can have that be part of. of the information that we have. We are very rarely making decisions, especially in, you know, this magnitude, without input from. everybody here, and all their expertise. And I am just wondering, what would hurt from that, that I don't… None of these are necessarily things that you all. Who would have conquered it anyway, but as you're thinking about this here, as you're thinking about priorities and things like that. What would that be? And does cost influence anybody's decision? But I'm just curious if there's… Maybe, and I'll talk to Nuri about it after you all go. Privacy, like we have. Exactly. Okay, last couple questions. Just on the same…

[308:00] idea, I would also just hear it from the city manager. And the city manager could just huddle up with her people and just give you a sense, that might be fine, too. Um, Sarah? Um, if, let's say, and I'm not saying that… let's say that bike theft. involves PB, and that's the only thing that involves PD, I would say. Would there be an opportunity to say, well, we can do these 6 things, but we could also do this because it involves department doesn't have it all being used, or do you… At this point, you're not even want to get it to that. Um… I mean, I… I guess I'd have to know a little bit more about your hypothetical, but just remember that every department is doing a million other things, so it depends on what that would be and how much it is, and if it hasn't elevated now. We don't know how to scope that. Okay. Okay? It's gonna be so fun. Okay, so… alright. I think the question is… But the other, right.

[309:01] Okay. One should not presume. that only, like, planning has a bunch of stuff, right? Like, just because PD only has one. proposed item doesn't mean that PD has lots of time to absorb that item, is what I think, Mary, you're saying. Yes, they've got tons of prep to do for Sunday, we've got plenty of stuff, yeah. Um, lovely. We will see you here in the morning. Breakfast again at 9. Breakfast will be here at 9. Um, I will have your dots ready. We will have materials for you, and you will go and have a lovely evening. And be relaxing, and thank you for a fabulous day. Go forth and enjoy!