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[5:00] good evening everybody and welcome to the Thursday March 6th 2025 regular meeting of the Boulder City Council we're going to get started with a quick announcement which is about boards and commissions so applicant interviews for the 2025 boards and commissions have concluded and recordings are now posted on the city's website they can be viewed on the boards and commissions interviews page at uh Boulder colorado.gov board- and- commissions inters the public hearing and Final appointments will take place at the March 20th regular council meeting again thank you to all that applied and if you have any questions please contact the city clerk's office at city clerk's office bouldercolorado.gov or call 303- 44138 and with that I will go ahead and call us to order and ask Elisha if you could please do a roll call yes sir thank you welcome back and good evening everyone we'll start tonight's roll call as usual usual with council member Adams

[6:02] present Benjamin present mayor Brockett present mayor Pro Tim folus is not here yet council member marus present shoard here speier present wallik here M Wier mayor we have our quum very good thank you Elicia you notee that we do expect council member full court soon and council member Wier is sick and unable to attend as my understanding all right we're going to head straight into open comments so Elisha if you can go over our guidelines for public participation please yes sir good evening again everyone and the public participation guidelines are as follows the city has engaged with community members to co-create a vision for productive meaningful and inclusive Civic conversation

[7:00] this Vision supports physical and emotional safety for community members staff and Council as well as democracy for people of all ages identities lived experiences and political perspectives for more information about this vision and the community engagement processes we ask that you please visit our website at bouldercolorado.gov Services productive D atmospheres the following are examples of rules of decorum found in the boulder Revised Code and other guidelines that support this Vision these will be upheld during this meeting participants are required to sign up to speak using the name they are commonly known by and individuals must display their whole name before being allowed to speak online currently only audio testimony is permitted online only one person at a time at the podium unless an accommodation like an interpreter is

[8:00] required our remarks and testimonies shall be limited to matters related to City business no standing in or otherwise blocking the aisles no participant shall stand or hold items such as signs or Flags in a manner that would block the view of another person no participant shall make threats or use other forms of intimidation against any person we ask that you not offix items to the podium or or walls or other surfaces of the chambers signs flags and other items used to communicate must be held by one person when displayed obscenity other epithets based on race gender or religion and other speech and behavior that disrupts or otherwise impedes the meeting will not be tolerated and lastly iners participants are asked to refrain from expressing support or disagreement verbally or with sounds such as Applause

[9:00] or snapping that is with the exception of declarations traditionally support is shown through American Sign Language Applause or jazz hands thank you for listening and again thank you for joining us thanks so much for that Elisha um all right so we have 12 people in person and eight people remote I'm going to call three names at a time two minutes will be allowed for each speaker and I will be strict about those time limits in the interest of fairness so our first three speakers are Trish Emer Karen holg and Mike Clark good just before you get started I'll note holding signs up above your head does obstruct views potentially so if you could please keep those down please they need to be kept down good evening Council and thank you um Trish shims are here I'm here on behalf of bike Boulder I believe you all received a file earlier that had some documentation as well as pictures um

[10:01] you'll notice in the stolen bike heat maps that um we show The Stolen Bikes this year I'd like to call out a couple of minor things one is in January more than 50% of the bikes stolen were ebikes we've seen that Trend since last fall which is very concerning for our transportation plan as well as fun um in addition um I did a little study of those bikes stolen this year 41 total so far 70% of those were valued at over $1,000 and the number recovered for this year zero so it's unfortunate that bikes seem to be disappearing and I hope we can find some solutions to that um I'd also like to remind us that one of the education points that we make at bike Boulder is there's no single action that's going to reduce this bike theft it's going to take a combination of techniques registration angle grinder resistant locks better racks and better

[11:00] locations it's a lot of stuff but we really look forward to working with you on that um I do have some good news my jazz hands are starting Graham Hill is here as well um in coordination with shared pad bike Boulder is launching the first ever bike valet at the farmers market starting next month on Saturdays we look forward to all cyclists coming there and there'll be a lot more information to come but some great news to share and in wrapping up I want to say that our partnership is very important to bike Boulder we want to find creative ways to improve conditions so cyclists can confidently secure their bicycles around Boulder simply put cyclists need all of our support in order to bike Boulder we very much look forward to your feedback on how to improve our shared paths thank you thank you now we have Karen hwg Mike Clark and Lauren Clark

[12:06] good evening I'm Karen hwg I live in Boulder I'm very concerned about approving bonds for the South Boulder Creek flood mitigation Project tonight because the project lacks a final design and lacks permits from numerous national state and local agencies comments about the project have been sent to you by two nationally recognized science and environmental law organizations that have a significant presence in Colorado their letters Express concerns about the project design and missing permits the first letter this from the center for biological diversity notes that multiple scientific studies specifically address the need for special treatments when unproven habitat restoration and creation strategies like those proposed are used to mitigate impacts to federally threatened species and their Wetland and riparian habitats they

[13:01] recognize that flood control is an important priority especially in an era of climate change however they note that protection of threatened species and their critical habitat is equally Paramount and they quote urge the city to at a minimum wait on any further actions unless and until Federal processes have been concluded and resolved similarly the second letter from save the world's Rivers acknowledged the critical flood protection function of the city but noted that complying with the federal permitting process is also critical and warned that a project can change dramatically through the permitting Pro process and these permitting processes can take years City staff has been assuring us all that that the per that the project is moving forward well but there is no 90% design the price is rising and there are still no permits I urge you to get specific resour for the project delays

[14:01] and require a 90% design plus a veritable a verifiable timeline for getting all the permits before approving the bonds thank you thank you now we have Mike Clark Lauren Clark and Mike lty my name is Mike Clark I live here in the city lived here 45 years I come to you with a problem if you can speak into the mic please sorry it's a little low can I start over yes no thank you my name is Mike Clark I live here in the city of Boulder I've been here roughly 45 years I've come to you today with a problem that's gotten to the point of insanity we have traffic problems I'm going to use a situation at a rapo and Foothills Parkway when you're traveling west on RP AO and make a left turn onto Foothills so that you're headed south there's a

[15:01] light no one obeys that light anymore it is not one car that misses that runs the light it's three to five and now semis do it I've been to the city the police chief the current and the former I've talked to the traffic Sergeant I've talked to everybody and asked and said hey you know if you don't stop this somebody's going to get killed it's the worst intersection in town you've lost dozens and dozens of people in that intersection being hurt because we don't enforce the rules the rules are there you don't need new ones but the police tell me that it's Council that's holding them back I don't know I'm not a political guy I don't have really the desire to come here but I am not going to get killed on aapo this morning it was a I that ran it

[16:00] I was going eastbound no problem I had a green light for three count and the guy ran it and you don't deal with it the police say it's you so I'm coming to you you need to enforce the existing laws traffic has to be a priority in this city you haven't made it and if you don't somebody's going to get killed and I'd be the one to say I warned them and there is a litig ation issue to that so you've been warned please take care of the problem thank you now we have Lauren Clark Mike ly and Shelley Russell all right my name is Lauren Clark I'm here to talk to you about pedestrian safety here in Boulder um it's become an area where it's not safe or comfortable to be a walking pedestrian if you're on the multi-use paths you have all sorts of characters using drugs on either side as a solo

[17:02] female I do not feel safe and I know others feel that same way you've got bikes that refuse to yield to pedestrians as part of your vision zero you include education we shouldn't have to put signs up that say this but apparently we need to and we need enforcement out there I have never once seen a police officer out to enforce it you can submit the close call form maybe they'll call you in a couple days I had a bicyclist swerve into my dog and I while walking and we called and the ranger said nope go ahead fill out the form never heard back additionally ebikes we have spent so much money $250,000 as part of the vision zero project for these new bike Lanes yet there are multi-use Pathways that run parallel and the bicyclists prefer that and they have Motors and nobody seems to care that it says no motorized vehicles so then as a pedestrian you're pushed on

[18:01] to the main thorough fars where as you just heard they're also not safe 77% of this is your own data here says that pedestrian accidents specifically walking are in crosswalks when was the last time you saw anyone enforce that anyone besides somebody yelling at somebody out their window because The Pedestrian was in the right of way I almost got hit two different times last Friday when I spoke to your police sergeant I start up asked should I be wearing a body camera to walk around Boulder and they said you know it's not a bad idea that's where we are as a city we need enforcement you've got all this money for vision zero and you've spent a lot on engineering but you can engineer all you want but if you don't enforce the laws you're engineering around it means nothing thank you now I have Mike lah shell Russell and Rob

[19:05] smoke hi my name is Mike lahi I live um in Boulder I've lived here for the last 40 something years and um I'm retired I volunteer quite a bit some environmental groups third act.org 350.org um go electric Colorado promoting home electrification and today I spent uh at the boulder mod Factory which was great I'm very proud to participate in it it's very cool and I think it's a great example of how creative and Innovative Boulder can be in some of these programs and I hope it's going to be duplicated in many cities across the country um as well I realize we're a great leader in environmental issues so I'm very confused as to why the city of Boulder is not supporting State House Bill 1096 which is

[20:00] encouraging um rooftop solar for quicker permit approvals um you know the technology that's used it's been used in 300 different jurisdictions so that's not an issue it's used in Denver it's free so it's not a budget issue um I realize Boulder's good about it we get our rooftop solar permits approved typically in something like two weeks but the reason is we share the grid so across the state of Colorado if we can get more rooftop solar in Fort lton or Aurora or wherever it's in the Excel grid it helps clean our grid that we use we obviously spent tens of millions of dollars on municipalization um I think it really helped encourage Excel to do what they're doing as far as um getting the grid cleaned up quickly so what I'd like is for for you to at least be neutral on

[21:00] this issue if you don't have to promote it but to actually spend our dollars against a bill that's encouraging renewable energy your time is up but thank you for your testimony now we have Shelley Russell Rob smoke and Dr PTY Fuster aguilo hi I'm Shelley Russell thank you uh Council City members and mayor Brockett for allowing me to speak tonight to you about IL campers specifically in the area between Ean G Fine park and 6th Street this is a very popular area for joggers and cyclists and people like me who just like to walk in nature and unfortunately this is also a popular area for illegal campers and even though Joe and his team do a great job when he gets out there it's just not enough to deter this illegal activity and what happens when given time is these tents prolifer at into little tent cities and even though

[22:01] we're reporting it every week we are then faced with a fire hazard with their propane tanks and health hazard with their abundant amount of trash but more importantly it becomes a safety issue because these tense cities can attract a criminal element and this happened to me when I was walking my dog in the spring of 23 along that area near the Justice Center I was threatened by a camper in this tent city with a knife and he was arrested and sent to jail and it turns out he had a criminal record and this is why we really need to clamp down on this illegal activity especially since it's a safe zone for kids area I had the pleasure recently of running into a County Deputy who was surveying the area and he told me that his jurisdiction was north of the creek path near the Justice Center and he said to me this area will always be clear because County stays on

[23:00] top of it campers know that they can set up on the southide of the path because that is the city area and city does not manage it and that's huge I'll repeat that people know city does not manage it and that's really where we need to take control of this situation and maybe get some more police or more tagging thank you thank you now we have Rob smoke and then I understand that Patty agular is online so after that we'll go to Eric Cornell and Susan Hall your mic's off oh there you go you're good oh nope turn it back on okay there you go am I good okay my name's Rob smoke I live in Boulder um I moved here in um 86 so I've been to a lot of Council meetings meetings I uh Ser um excuse me

[24:03] served on the human relations commission between 2003 and 2008 and um I don't know I feel very disappointed in the kind of decisions I see coming from councel I just want to read a couple things here real quick and by the way if you go to my um Facebook page I have a special offer this week if you follow me on Facebook I'll send you a smile emoji of you're very on yeah so anyway what we are seeing in Gaza is a repeat of aitz as genocide expert what Israel is doing in Gaza is simply Mass extermination without the gas chamber says human rights activist and genocide scholar Mong Zar okay I'll skip ahead is it is no longer possible to deny that Israel is engaged in systematic war crimes crimes against humanity and genocidal actions Professor Omar B bartov former IDF Soldier and he's considered one of the world leading Specialists on the subject of genocide also yes it is

[25:02] genocide this is exactly what genocide looks like that's Amos Goldberg professor of Holocaust history at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and he has an article that I have a link to here also a textbook case of genocide Raz seagull he's an Israeli historian residing in the US and um you know these the the Trope the anti-semitic Trope yeah I'm I'm against um anti-em ISM but uh who gets to decide I think that's really a big question here and what's going on right now in Gaza it's just completely unacceptable and our silence is is doesn't serve uh doesn't serve Us in any way shape or form thanks thank you um now we have Eric Cornell Susan Hall and Margaret LM

[26:04] I'm ready council members I'm Eric Cornell the problem with using districts to elect our city council is that living next to someone is no guarantee you will share the same vision for Boulder the beauty of the election method known as proportional representation or PR is that it lets voters find their way into their own districts not geographical districts but conceptual districts based on shared priorities and vision how can the city know how you want to see yourself represented on Council on the basis of your neighborhood or your ethnicity race age wealth gender or your opinions about parking or prairie dogs answer is the city doesn't have to with PR voting if a sufficiently large segment of the voters identify the quality by which they want to be represented on Council then they rank only those sorts of candidates at the top of their ballot and they will have their representation on Council and listen if it turns out that your highest priority and enough of your like-minded voters is having a council member who lives nearby then yes you can have one if it turns out that's not what voter care about the most then there's really no loss in not having elections by

[27:02] District I grew up in the city of Cambridge Massachusetts a city the same size of Boulder reputation for good government they have eight decades experience running city council elections by PR without major problems yes the city has its share of math professors but on the street where I lived it was mostly workingclass people I never met anyone who found it confusing to vote a PR ballot the one complaint I've heard about the Cambridge system is that it results in all kinds of people getting elected to council and I can assure you that this charge is entirely correct all kinds of people get elected if you find that Prospect objectionable then you definitely should not schedule a study session or working group on proportional representation but if you are okay with our Council reflecting the diversity of our citizens then I urge that you do look into PR thanks very much thank you now we have Susan Hall Margaret lmpt and Elliot flaten

[28:06] well I am glad that you mentioned uh all kinds of people because I would really like to see a declaration on uh with that includes both Muslim and Jewish communities I think that would be really good so I'll start with that and then I'll go on to my name is Susan Hall of course as you already introduced me my daughter did attend uh High School here in Boulder but I heard uh last week that Governor polus said there will be a $50 million less budget in Colorado and I wondered if this had to do with sending three countries uh 100 billion dollar those three countries included Israel uh we paid for all their health care we paid for 15,000 bombs uh numerous guns and what did that get us B basically a genocide now I find out that the

[29:02] financial Minister has said well we could starve all those people in uh Gaza but would the world really let us do that well I'm here because even though I can't stop it I can at least speak up and I hope that you guys would speak up too and say that you're not for the war crime of starving a whole population also there's another War crime crime that's been committed there and that's that they had uh and you can see it on film if you go on uh almost any YouTube including gry Zone uh where they in the West Bank they had people come out of their houses line up single file all the way down the street and just March down the street at gunpoint now where in the world would we want that and it's being done with our money my money so I felt like I should at at least speak up uh I know um Anne Frank

[30:01] Corey tinboom those people were hidden out but I have not heard of one Palestinian that's been protected thank you our last two inperson speakers are Margaret lmpt and Elliot fayon good evening I'm Margaret LMP I live near the South Boulder Creek project and I'm a retired Professor from CU Boulder I'm speaking against the emergency declaration is proposed for this project it's not an emergency the flood happened 11 years ago planning for the dam is ongoing since at least 2019 what is needed for approval for the project has been known for years why the rush right now the city says that the first day for the second quarter 2025 is a hard date for the city to approve the

[31:00] project but no City staff member has provided a convincing reason why this date is hard such an assertion does not constitute an emergency the city's not ready to proceed to a bond issue the city's failure to have a workable plan for this project does not constitute an emergency the city has not released a 90% design for the project it has applied for none of the permits required for the project approval its cost estimates are are now more than 5 years old and don't include many of the crucial components now required by project design no alternatives to the dam have ever been seriously considered despite the fact that since 20 2001 20 or so cheaper faster less environmentally disastrous but effective Alternatives have been put forward the project cost too much for too little benefit this is the single most expensive project ever undertaken by the city $66 million and

[32:02] counting all to protect 600 units at the by the city's own account every single Boulder resident or business that pays City storm water fees will be charged for it declaring this to be an emergency is a cynical way to avoid public input and a vote on a project that seriously needs both it's inappropriate to be on the consent agenda if there's an emergency at all it's City council's refusal to accept is making your time is up thank you for your testimony our last inperson speaker is Elliot fayton and then we'll go to RJ Bo online there is no racial group that suffers more discrimination in this country than the Jew if you don't believe me pull the FBI hate crime statistics in spite of this background in the fall of 23 a member of this Council put up statements on social media that were at least inflammatory if not racially discriminatory about the

[33:00] Jew yes she apologized but then in the fall of 24 walked this apology back when a Community member Aaron Brooks brought this issue up to city council at the December meeting I decided to support him by attending that meeting and then I was surprised to see on these monitors above racial discrimination against my family I saw private pictures of my kids with Governor polus not in isolation but as purported evidence of a conspiracy theory the false accusation that I am an Israeli agent or on Governor Po's payroll neither of which are true this council at that meeting did not criticize those racists who spread that conspiracy theory about my family nor did this Council choose to criticize the C other council member who walked back in apology about inflammatory statements about the Jew Instead This Council reserved its iron and condemnation for the one Community member that brought these issues of racism against the Jew to the council's

[34:01] attention yes in subsequent meetings this Council may have issued cliched statements against anti-Semitism but when factored against what has gone on at these meetings in the past year and a half those statements mean nothing when members of the city are rely criticizing Jews making racial epets against Jews when city council members are making inflammatory statements against the Jew this state this City's claimed caring about inclusion is meaningless because what the city seems to care about instead is sweeping racism against the Jew under the rug I would say thank you but I am just disappointed okay going to move on to our online testifiers they our first three are RJ Bole Emily Reynolds and Rachel friend mayor I do not see RJ online tonight we go Emily Reynolds

[35:06] then good evening Council and city manager I'd like to comment on the impressive lack of reasonable feedback opportunities on the boulder comprehensive plan I thought the community assembly would be a chance after the laughable theater production where people could not voice any productive discussion of the comp plan because the theater people needed to act everything out a two-hour Fiasco it was more than obvious that the indigenous people who were paid to be there felt both unheard and as they themselves said mocked by the orchestrated setting was that the objective it clearly wasn't to hear what citizens thought about the comp plan I thought that was the Pinnacle of of absurdity until tell I heard the details of the so-called Community assembly first of all you and I and most

[36:04] of us are not invited to attend it's not a community assembly after all apparently 10,000 Flyers went out to protect prospective attendees and if you are among the anointed then you have the chance to possibly attend 7 hours of sessions over seven weeks to talk about this what the city apparently finds important 15-minute neighborhoods no talking about what you want to discuss no no council priorities only please rainbows and unicorns for all I'd love to see some actual discussion of the comp plan but I guess that's not permitted it's almost like the council majority really doesn't want to hear from us

[37:00] uh thank you we'll now go on to Rachel friend and then Michael Parkin and ly SLE hi everyone uh I'm Rachel friend can you hear me yes nobody smile guys um special hi to Elicia I'm here on agenda item 3E in support of ordinance 8690 uh on storm water and flood bonds I've been involved in the South Boulder Creek flood mitigation efforts for 10 years this is a 2015 to 2025 now and the city has been working on it for a lot more years before that the project has always been about protecting lives and property and doing so in a way that maximally uh safek keeps impacted habitats um and I've never and I've been watching Council and on Counsel for a while uh so been watching closely I've never seen a project more thoroughly V Ed and under more years of scrutiny than

[38:00] we did on this project so um City Council planning board osbt and RAB we're all heavily involved for years looking at this we had two ballot measures voted on by the community directly on this issue and that's on top of countless studies and restudies and special work groups and Consultants extra Community engagement we looked at a flood mitigation issue from every possible angle so I just wanted to be here tonight to encourage you all to pass this as an emergency measure on consent which is in keeping with standard protocol for these kind of bond votes um and I also wanted to thank you for your continued support and um especially to our staff uh our staff members are competent and thorough and professional I have huge faith in Joe and Brandon and the team and the processes that they are following and I'm confident that they are dotting their eyes and crossing their tees and that the timing of the permitting in bonds is appropriate um and I also just want to thank staff extra for sticking with our community even when it's hard

[39:02] and I know that this has been hard so thank you thank you all and keep up the great work it's good to see you all thank you all right now we're going to Micah Parkin ly seagull and Jim hayes hi city council members and mayor I'm Micah Park and executive director of 350 Colorado and a 350 Boulder County team leadership council member we have over 35 members locally who are deeply concerned about the climate crisis and promote a fast Fair transition off fossil fuels to clean renewable energy I'm so proud of our City's climate commitments and action and thank you for your leadership in this critical work I'm speaking today to urge your support for an important bill moving at the state capital that would help speed the transition to Renewables hb25 1096 the automated permits for clean energy technology this bill makes getting a permit for home solar installations FAS faster and easier and requires cities counties in the state to make available an automated online software platform

[40:01] for approving residential solar and Battery permits this bill is important because it cuts red tape speeds up solar permitting reduces expenses delays cancellations saves resources at permitting offices and supports our climate goals tomorrow we host our 10th Annual climate Lobby day at the state capital with over 200 participants and this is one of the bills we're advocating for but unfortunately I've heard from Bill proponents that spokespeople for the city of Boulder are blocking this bill to retain local control of solar permitting now while our city may have good and fairly quick permitting processes for solar inst installations this is not the case for the rest of the state and we should be doing all we can to promote a more rapid transition to Renewables Statewide local regs can be automated to the extent needed for historic areas and solar companies already have to ensure that they install install on permitted structures we're in a climate crisis that's already causing worsening wildfires and climate disasters here and worldwide and we must take bold action for greater good our state nation and world's not on track to meet climate goals in every tenth of a degree temperature rise we can prevent will

[41:01] protect lives and prevent suffering future Generations would undoubtedly tell us to get serious about speeding up the transition to Renewables and not block a bill to support solar transition Statewide let's continue to be climate leaders please support automated permits for solar thank you so much thank you now we have ly seagull Jim hayes and Eric gross fortunate that we have captions I'm at a JCC talk on um the Holocaust Elliott Elliot just chill you know this is ridiculous I'm a Jew I'm here at you know this Holocaust talk and I support the Palestinians and this is definitely a genocide and your kids pictures big deal you can not call out other community members please the kids photographs are not obscene we need back our PowerPoints

[42:00] this is utterly utterly ridiculous um I heard someone talking about solar rooftop a bill and the last person talked about perating process going faster well in the county I was discouraged from putting solar on from my energy retrofit and being sequestered from it because of a solar director with the county forcing a vendor to put in a solar installation under adverse conditions and I called it out and I got gas lighted as a result on my retrofit and they did everything they completely botched everything set me back 20 years on attempting to get solar so that I can get geothermal heat pump um I was very impressed to find that a house uh in the county out in the

[43:00] mountains is doing geothermal of Scott rodwin um I'm opposed to see South entirely not just the flooding we do not need that 37,000 people added to our population of 107 no way um this has got to stop impact fees wealth Equity that's what will improve the world and make it so we don't have to be at War your time's up but thank you for your testimony right now we have Jim hayes Eric gross and Sam Weaver mayor I do not see Jim online tonight all right let's go to Eric gross then hello Council can you hear me yes okay um I wasn't sure exactly what I was going to talk about but I had a feeling that some of the other speakers here would really open up the floor and

[44:03] they did um so sorry I I've been actually dealing with a lot today um but in just the last couple days um I just want to uh in respect to someone who was talking about uh the most oh now I can't find that on my phone um the the most uh prejudicially attacked group in the country uh being the Jew which I find an offensive way to describe me uh no one's ever called me the Jew before and I think that's really disgusting and I I don't know how someone can can speak in that manner um I also agree that uh you know the anti-Semitism resolution resolution that this Council put forward was fine uh although it seemed to be in

[45:05] response to false accusations of anti-Semitism that have been running rampant around the country including uh you know a college in New York in which their governor just forced the college to remove a job listing for uh related to Palestinian studies because it said that the course and the job would include discussions of things like occupation and aparti so we are actually witnessing the total silencing of speech around an issue because of lobbying efforts based on falsehoods I have not in the dozen or so times but thanks for your testimony our final two speakers are Sam Weaver and Patty fer

[46:18] samam your mic is open if you'd like to begin speaking who's up Sam yes you're up Sam oh sorry about that good evening mayor and council members thank you for taking my testimony and for your community service when I first came on to Council in November of 2013 the Thousand-Year flood from that September was still an overwhelming topic of community concern sewer systems were threatened with catastrophe and badly damaged water supplies were contaminated and delivery was threatened FEMA funding was being negotiated and for many a yearlong recovery was just beginning Boulder was reminded our status as the highest flood risk community in Colorado is not an

[47:01] academic proposition it is an undeniable fact of life one of the projects that came to fruition a few years later was a Wonderland Creek flood control project in 2013 flood homes in the noble Park and Kings Ridge area had been hit hard by flood damage the previously planned Wonderland Creek flood control project started construction right after the flood and finished in 2019 when the next big rigns came in 2021 and 2023 that neighborhood experienced notably fewer impacts that is a success story plus much more that could be accomplished on South Boulder Creek at CU South with your continued support moving forward some have questioned the use of emergency status to pass the bond measure at hand but I would emphasize that during the flood it sure felt like four days of an emergency you have heard all the dry financial reasons why this pathway is the best practice to Bond but I'll add to that pragmatism that when the flood threat manifests it is the

[48:01] definition of an emergency the sooner we prepare the better we face that unavoidable moment voters have twice supported this path by eight and 14o ballot margins in 2021 and 2022 so the public wants to see flood protection move ahead quickly I ask for your enthusiastic yes vote regarding consent agenda item 3E bonding for flood protection thank you all very much thank you all right our final speaker is Patty fer Aguilera hello my name is Dr F Pila I've been coming to these meetings for more than a year and I have seen you reducing the freedom of speech for those who have been advocating for the lives of Palestinians remember Israel has been genociding Palestinians since 1948 it seems that now that Trump is in power people are starting to realize that the politics in this country are poor fascism but that started way before

[49:02] Trump and the members of this Council have enacted it at least throughout the past year you are all complicit on the genocide of the Palestinians not only for not speaking up when you have the voice to do so not only for silencing our voices and victimizing yourselves by claiming you don't feel safe but also by allowing this city to invest and make monetary profit from this genocide th best now from Caterpillar and Microsoft as the city and as individuals because some of you do invest on those Boulder has a responsibility with his sister C Naas don't you hear the daily attacks by settlers in the West Bank just today in koser nablas the iOS shot a nine-year-old girl in the head the West Bank is now a war zone in the meantime Israel is rocking humanitarian Aid in Gaza once again and you're not doing anything if you don't stand up with those most vulnerable there will be a time when it

[50:01] will be you it will be your kids it will be your family it's just a matter of time because this is how fascism Works members of this city council are stopping an anti-muslim declaration when a Muslim B is going to be enacted in less than a week by the federal government where is your support for the Muslim Community you failed them too you should you should have started speaking up more than a year ago you should have done a cire resolution from more than a year ago remember Palestinian Freedom also means your freedom every day day that goes by without you publicly speaking is another step on your own Freedom if you do it for them do it for yourself up thanks for joining us tonight all right that brings us to the end of our speakers uh thank you to people for coming and talking to us tonight I'm going to turn to City staff for any responses and nothing for me tonight nothing for me thank thank you right and I guess if Council wants to ask a clarifying question or two of

[51:01] Staff we can do that I've got one but Nicole you go ahead yeah um thank you and thanks for everybody coming out tonight um my question was around the folks who were um saying that council is not allowing the police to enforce or to do traffic enforcement and um I was just wondering uh that seems very operational so I was wondering what council has to do with traffic enforcement and just enforcement of city laws in general thank you thank you for that question and uh you are correct that traffic enforcement is an operational action that is uh underneath the uh the purview of the city manager and the police chief uh and I do know that actually we have um just recently placed a red light camera at the intersection of Foothills and arapo um based on some of the concerns uh of behavior of red light running at that intersection but just to to follow up that there's nothing that the council has said or done that would impede traffic enforcement there or anywhere

[52:00] else no correct thanks for clarifying y TAA did you have follow question yeah just on from open comment thank you um thank you very much I just had a question about the bike theft component and just was curious do we have a council agenda on a item coming up on just the bike component of Transportation at all uh I will look forward and see I'm just kind of try trying to think through what's on the agenda I don't think we do but I do know we have some of that dashboard material out that we'd be happy to get you a link to okay thank you very much Y and I'll just I would ask about the uh the bonds but we're about to consider that on the consent agenda so I'll wait for that um okay great so that we will move on now to our consent agenda please Elicia yes sir thank you our consent agenda is item number three on tonight's agenda and it consists of items 3 a through

[53:00] 3F thanks for that so following up to what I was just saying I just wonder uh we've had some people testify about the bonds under ordinance 8690 uh Joe T uchia our utilities director I know you've sent some information out over hotline about the need for the Emergency passage I just wonder if you might give a real quick summary about this next step we're taking and and why we're doing it no now it is how about now perfect uh good evening council members uh I'm Joe tauchi I'm the director of the utilities uh Department uh tonight council is being asked to authorize commencement of the bond process we appreciate the continued Community interest in the South Boulder Creek flood mitigation project and also appreciated council member Wall's hotline questions I provided a response to that yesterday

[54:01] and I'll just maybe summarize some of the highlights of the situation um starting with the the financials there have been questions about the status of the contract documents and the construction estimate um those are sufficiently developed and have had several iterations to be appropriate to start the bond process it's really important to note that the funds have to be appropriated in order for us to sign a Construction contract and so the authorization that's before you tonight will pave the way for that also some uh very fair questions about how we manage the risk on these large capital projects um in an environment when costs can go up for any number of circumstances and we have as I mentioned in the hotline response we've been building Reserve for this for several years um we also have a 15% contingency

[55:02] line item that isn't assigned to anything and it's there if something changes we can we can apply that to a change order we can also move projects around within the future six-year Capital Improvement program and we do that from time to time to manage um just the costs and the changes on projects so financially I I feel strongly that we're were in the right place to be taking this Bond step um the speaking to the emergency ordinance I know that Council has uh received a lot of questions about the emergency designation and doing bonds by emergency ordinance Is How We Do all of our bonds I want to be really clear that it's not unique to the South Boulder Creek flood project and and here's why a normal ordinance involves two Council meetings so you have the meetings and the time between and then there's a 30-day public notice period before we can take any

[56:02] action on them and that adds a lot of time to the process and when we get to this step we're we're usually ready to move forward and we're ready to start the bid process like we are on the South Boulder Creek project when you approve an emergency ordinance it goes into effect immediately so that allows us to get started and um as the schedule stands with the the staff team that's working on this we will be kicking off the bidding process and having pre-bid meetings within the next few weeks and as I noted in my hotline response one of the first questions they'll ask is the status of the funding and it's important to assure them that this is a legitimate project that we have those funds in place so your authorization tonight will help with that there have been a number of comments about the project status here tonight and that have I know I've come to council by email and some statements made that the permitting

[57:01] process has not started at all yet which is is not accurate at all we are well underway and and have a lot of agencies and approvals that we need um and for these large capital projects we have multiple work streams that are all taking place at the at the same time there's design there there's a funding element and working towards that there's bidding project approvals landowner agreements we work on all of those things concurrently and try and bring them to closure at the same time and for um for projects like that that allows it to start as soon as possible and so with the critical Life Safety element that is there on the South Boulder Creek flood project that's what's um entailed in the authorization that's before you tonight happy to answer any further questions thank thanks so much Joe that was really helpful for framing for everyone any other questions for Joe or on anything

[58:01] else on the consent agenda or perhaps a motion I make a mo motion to pass the consent agenda as is second we've got a motion and a second a roll call please Elicia yes sir thank you we'll start tonight's roll call for the consent agenda items 3 a through 3F with council member shuar yes spear yes wallik I Adams yes Benjamin yes mayor Brockett yes mayor Pro Tim fols yes and councilwoman Maris yes the consent agenda items 3A through 3F are hereby approved with a vote of 8 to zero thanks very much all right moving right along then if we can look at our callup

[59:00] check-in please yes sir our callup check-ins are item number four on tonight's agenda 4A is the consideration of leftand Water District's requests for comment regarding a water tap for a property in area three of the Boulder Valley comprehensive plan the address is 4473 North 51st Street any interest from Council and calling this one up not seeing any so that'll be no on that one and we can move to our public hearing please yes sir our public hearings are item number five on tonight's agenda 5A is the second reading and consideration of a motion to adopt ordinance 8651 amending Title One General Administration title four licenses and permits title five general officers I'm sorry General General Offices Title 9 land use code and title 10 structures BRC 1981 to update

[60:03] residential occupancy standards to ensure conformance with Colorado house bill 24-7 concerning residential oxan limits and setting forth those related details and with that I'm happy to introduce a familiar face here on the Das Carl gerer from planning and development services Carl take it away thank you Chris good evening Council I'm Carl from planning and development services uh before the council tonight is ordinance 8651 uh which relates to updating our occupancy standards to conform uh with recent state law so this is similar to the ordinance that came before Council last month uh relative to accessory dwelling units where we're updating the code to conform to um state law so the purpose of tonight is for city council to make a decision on the ordinance this slide might be familiar to since we've been discussing occupancy for a number of years we were talking

[61:00] about this back in August of 2023 uh where we talked about how occupancy is is uh is regulated in the city of Boulder similar to other jurisdictions it limits the number of people that can live uh within dwelling units um up until this year the city of Boulder has been uh enforcing two occupancy codes uh one being a life and safety or building code um which is uh through the international property maintenance code which I'll talk about tonight but also the zoning code or the land use code um land use codes or zoning codes typically limit the number of unrelated people per unit um doesn't limit the number of of family members but does relate to unrelated so uh Council will recall that we we brought forward an ordinance back in 2023 to change that number so being that it currently in the code is uh based on family we have a pretty broad definition of family um so

[62:00] it's pretty Loose as far as who can live in the the unit by by relation but uh again it is an occupancy limit that's based on the number of unrelated that caps that number so after we made the change in 2023 which basically went from uh three or four unrelated perun up to five um the state passed a house bill in 24 which is uh 107 um that basically prohibited residential occupancy limits that are based on the number of unrelated persons per unit um the the bill is actually pretty straightforward it's it's only like a couple Pages it basically says that jurisdictions uh have to cease enforcement of occupancy standards that are based on unrelated persons per unit on July 1st of 2024 uh and that's what uh the city of Boulder has done um so instead of that we're we're implementing what we have been implementing for years the the

[63:01] international property maintenance code for for occupancy based on life and safety um the law says that you can uh limit occupancy based on any demonstrated health or safety standards so uh a number of different kind of codes like building codes fire codes as I've listed on the slide so that's what the uh International property maintenance code is so the ordinance before you tonight uh does a number of things um it's meant to uh remove any inconsistencies with state law that might create confusion or ambiguity um to the public or Property Owners um that's why staff is recommending that Council adopt the ordinance it removes all references to residential occupancy that are based on unrelated um and then it changes it changes those references to existing standards that we already have in our Boulder Revised Code which is chapter 102 which is the property maintenance code which actually references the international property maintenance code so again codes that

[64:01] have been uh implemented here for years um because it's moving from the land use code to the building code we're taking the enforcement Provisions that were in Title Nine the land use code and moving that uh into title 10 structures um council's probably also aware of the Cooperative housing license which was uh permitted a number of years back this was a license that basically was a special ask that people people could ask to go over those occupancy limits in a unit with special approval well with this state law um co-ops are largely irrelevant so we're we're removing that from the code entirely uh also based on the state law uh any prior approvals that might have restricted occupancy through a special approval like a use review or a site review this makes that null and void um there's a number of residential that kind of straddle the line between um a typical household unit and a group

[65:01] living situation so we had to kind of weave the needle to make sure that um it would be comply with State wall relative to these group living facilities so we have updated the uh intensity standards as as it relates to these units like uh Residential Care Facilities congregate care just to kind of have a rough equivalent that's not based on occupancy but just a general intensity um the other thing the council would notice is that a lot of references that we've been saying Through The Years single family and multif family at the state level and in a number of other bills and ordinances those uh terms have been evolving into detach dwelling units and multi-units rather than using the term family so that's partly why the ordinance that's attached to the memo is so lengthy because we had to go through the entire Boulder revice code and change all those references so I'm going to just jump into some of the differences between um where we were and where we're headed as far as the international property

[66:00] maintenance code just give a couple examples so it's really clear um like I said before this year the city implemented the ipmc the international property maintenance code it's requirements for all occupants irrespective of whether they're related or not uh and then we had the maximum zoning requirements that were based on unrelated that were three or four and then moved up to five the ipmc is a little different it's it's instead of it just being a numeric cap on the on the unit it looks at three different things to determine how many people can be in the unit again for Life Safety standard so we have to look at the minimum size of a bedroom being 70 square feet um if you have two occupants in that bedroom you have to have 50 square feet per occupant so if you have two people in that room it's got to be at least 100 square feet and then once you figure out based on bedrooms the total number of occupants in that unit you also have to meet living and dining room standards based on this table that I have up on the screen so if for instance those

[67:00] requirements aren't met that'll actually knock the occupancy down so there are guard rails um with the ipmc it's not um there are a number of things that have to be looked at so I just wanted to give three different scenarios to kind of paint the picture of what the difference looks like so the the the left side is kind of uh before this year and then the right side is where we'd be heading in most cases zoning throughout the country is going to be more restrictive than the ipmc that's why a lot of jurisdictions have been um getting rid of these types of requirements um some of them are rooted in you know discrimination so it just there's a lot of jurisdictions that have been moving forward with these types of changes that's what prompted the state to make these changes so um in 2023 for instance we had a five per unit irrespective of the size or number of bedrooms if if you want buy bedrooms and living and dining spaces that in this particular scenario

[68:00] would jump up to seven occupants so again in most cases we're probably going to see more people possible in these units uh allowed through the ipmc and again some of this is you know aligns with goals of of trying to give more housing options for folks uh within the city to address the housing costs but scenario B just shows an instance where um the ipmc might actually end up being more restrictive than the five for instance if there are um it might be five per the zoning but in the ipmc if the bedrooms are quite small that could bump that number down to four uh and then another scenario like looking at the first scenario where it jumps up to seven if the dining room doesn't meet the square footage size that can bump it back down a category back down to five so just showing that these are the kind of scenarios we expect to see so because this was a a state law our engagement has largely been in form um we did have a extensive engagement on this topic in 2023 uh that the council will recall we've provided some links to

[69:02] that uh we've been giving updates in our pnds newsletter about these changes along with the Adu changes we also recorded a video online that talks about all the state bills um and what uh changes uh staff has been working on uh we've been getting emails as staff uh in support of the changes along with some that are against the changes there are a lot of concerns coming from some of the neighbor neighborhoods about you know especially in the University Hill and Martin acr's neighborhood where you have some nonconformities you have some congestion uh we've heard from folks talking about Shadow dorms which is basically like developers coming in and uh adding bedrooms into buildings either legally or illegally to uh take advantage of some of the changes so we've been responding to that uh we have heard from some folks with concerns that investment companies are already starting to buy up property so we just wanted to convey that concern to council um So based on again the the reason that

[70:00] uh we want to remove any ambiguity between uh city code and state law we are recommending that uh Council move forward with with ordinance 8651 uh we brought this ordinance to planning board as well as housing Advisory Board uh both boards have unanimously recommended that city council adopt the ordinance so that concludes my presentation the motion is up on the the slide happy to answer any questions and I'll just conclude with the key issue if there's any uh changes that Council wanted to make thanks for that Carl any questions for City staff Tina hi uh thank you so much for the overview um so my first question is when we're issuing a rental license will we be asking the person to confirm the size of the rooms now that our criteria has changed are we going to make sure that the people who are renting rooms are complying with this new criteria uh to

[71:01] my knowledge we are not we we used to previously because the number was simple and not based on the Fig physical configuration of the unit we could just put five on there because this is a lot more complicated um we just have a reference to the ipmc so this is largely something that you know if there's a a complaint or some sort of Enforcement issue then we would have to like the the property owner or landlord would have to demonstrate with floor plans things of that nature that they're meeting the the occupancy standard and so someone's getting a new rental license would they then do it if they would they then have to if they were converting a single family home in uni Hill to a a rental for students would they then have to again I don't I don't think in any of those scenarios would the city require a floor plan uh demonst just an attestation for instance that I I mean it's basically it's on the license that they're agreeing to to comply with the

[72:00] ipmc okay I'm happy to elaborate too Brad Mueller uh director planning and development services this question uh goes back actually Decades of of whether it's practical to calculate the uh building code occupancy for for structures and while it's done at the time of construction expecting people to give accurate information about that um after the fact uh turns out to be both a hardship for the property owners and an administrative challenge um as Carl represented it it is more permissive so we don't anticipate um that there'll be uh a value in having that information upfront uh but as we've always done we'll enforce when there are suspicions of violations and then we start to get into those nuts and Bolt kind of questions which again can take quite a bit of effort on on everybody's part and

[73:01] when you consider the tens of thousands of of units that are licensed that turns into a pretty big task can I ask and then what is the fine if someone adds a room uh without going through the process through the city I believe you all know Jen Ross who is our manager of Code Compliance she can give you some examples are you asking about building without a permit yeah and in this case they're talking about adding a room without going to the city so that would be a the first fine is $100 the second is three and then the third is going to be a th and it's called a civil penalty and we go up to five civil penalties and then we would issue a criminal summons for that activity if they don't get a permit to either legally establish that room or remove that room with a permit and is that similar to other cities um you know I I don't pay too much

[74:03] attention to what other people are issuing as far as civil penalties I do know that we haven't updated our civil penalties in a little bit and we're starting to um beginning this year so more of that to you guys later this year a little bit uh we did uh ask for an up in our International property maintenance code which is the ipmc the beginning civil penalty did go up beginning this year okay and then the square foot recommendations um in the impc those are based on recommendations for the health of the inhabitant of the minimum safe standards for a person to inhabit a space yes okay thank you I got three people queued up Lauren and then Matt and then Mark given that verifying the occupancy

[75:00] depending on the kind of house it is or the age when it was built those kinds of things could be somewhat onerous are do we have any threshold in terms of what we would require to verify a complaint or something like that before we might um ask uh property owner to go through this you know somewhat honorous process just to ensure that like people can't you know harass their neighbors by having a unfounded complaint in this kind of category unfortunately the only way to verify compliance or non-compliance is actually the act on the complaint so we treat each complaint as though it was put forward in good faith uh we do occasionally have folks who like to report on their neighbors quite a bit and um but we do try to approach it as

[76:02] even killed as we possibly can and with forethought to the person if we've already been there three times that month for other things we say you know hi sorry to bother you again we're we're here again but we understand this this could be coming from something else uh we do have tracking software that we're starting to implement this year to sort of look at complaints and how they're they play placed and and if it was a verified complaint for the property or not a verified complaint for the property so that really is a tool that we're going to try to use to really take things with a grain of salt so to speak when we go to enforce upon a property in the future do you know if that's probably not but do you know if that's something other cities do in terms of having you know trying to have different thresholds for maybe if there someone is making a lot of unverified complaints or something

[77:01] like that so that's more the police department would look at something more for maybe harassment um rather than the code enforcement units or Code Compliance units that work within the city we don't really uh Broach that subject and for the second part of your previous question also we've already been ah um you know verifying with the ipmc when we've had occupancy complaints before to make sure not only are they meeting our zoning requirements that we had previously but they're meeting the minimum safety standards so we're kind of used to doing it and we've already we kind of Switched our gears last year and we stopped enforcing when we knew the zoning ordinance was going to be coming through and we started really just zoning in on no pun in Ed uh our ipmc verifications of properties including actually taking um plans that were drawn

[78:02] up by you know some rental companies um and verifying that their measurements were actually correct and taking out um non-habitable space for you know the floor measurements and things like that to make sure that we were not only training our newer officers to be able to do that out in the field and verify occupancy but that we were understanding uh how people were submitting their verifiable floor space for occupancy so we're already sort of we we were already sort of doing it anyway in preparation for this so thank you sure hey Jen good to see you hey um so Lauren touched on most of my question but I guess I just wanted to really drill down onto the harassment piece of I so so there's software that you're rolling out I I take it You' be able to sort of know if there's sort of repeated

[79:02] unsubstantiated complaints towards a property and you'd kind of know that in that process is that correct we we do and we can and we we have long memories as Code Enforcement Officers we we remember um properties that keep getting complaints or persons that are placing a lot of property complaints um but again we take every complaint seriously and so we never want to a on the side of you know oh this person reports people all the time and maybe it's it's going to be as Brad learned this week something we call a nothing Burger um but we don't want to miss something we don't want somebody to say I stayed in an Airbnb and it had you know no functioning carbon monoxide alarms I'd rather go and look um than not go and look so that's kind of where we are on the side of caution yeah I appreciate that and I know that maybe the the oh

[80:01] did you want to F yeah let me elaborately J being a little bit modest on things um so while we and finding the balance that we we obviously do have a fiduciary responsibility to respond to any complaints but as noted we we know when they're kind of repeat folks and and they do very much take a Humane approach to the the folks who are getting reported on and acknowledged that there may be a person and I've been pulled into conversations where uh we needed to talk to a frequent complainer and and help them understand yes that's their right to do it but uh but they are very Savvy as uh officers to understand when the system's potentially being abused in that way so we've we we do have a number of attempts I I think Jenna is just being very careful to say too that we've got a responsibility to acknowledge any complaints that come in yeah I mean I I would never question the the the need to actually follow through

[81:01] with every complaint because that is the right thing to do I guess my biggest question just centers on it's probably not Jen or your department when there is maybe an issue of harassment and I'm just wondering correct that goes to PD but is there do is there a current process in which you flag you're like Yep this has been a problem I know that you want to sort of work it out among yourselves but do we have a way to say refer that to PD rather than waiting for the tenant to file a former complaint so that it gets elevated and then that that behavior is is ended and so I appreciate your attempts to try to handle that but I'm wondering if we need a formal process for that to be escalated should the situation demand it so it wouldn't be appropriate for the city to file a police complaint on behalf of someone else the um affected person or victim is the person who needs to file the police complaint okay and one other clarification like

[82:01] sorry go ahead uh Brad Mueller again one clarification that the instances of this happening are very very rare too so you know a process um is pro is probably a um um you know an overstatement of need I mean when when there's a need we we we address it yeah okay every every couple years for example yeah I think I think our City attorney just shut my inquiry down pretty licky split so but I appreciate that but anyway I I appreciate your cander and quickness on that Teresa right thanks J thanks Brad I got Mark and then Taisha yeah just just a couple of questions um how do you analyze the complaint if if if I come up to you and say I know they've got 6 5 foot bedrooms in there isn't it appropriate to say well how would you know you know have you been in

[83:00] there have you measured is there some standard that you use to assess the validity of a complaint uh we ask follow-up questions um if you've ever been on the receipt of one of my email follow-ups to a customer I say thank you for your complaint and how did you come buy this uh knowledge and here are my follow-up questions and I send a list of bullet point question questions like addressing each point in their complaint and trying to kind of sus out how they came upon that knowledge we we have all kinds of ways that people do that people surf the Internet they look through Airbnb ads they you know look through for rent uh they look through for sale uh then they send me a copy of the for sale and they go look this had three bedrooms last year now it has five so okay we we get it all kinds of ways and we do our due diligence too and and we use those tools available online to also do our due diligence and research prior to making any contact out of the

[84:01] property all right and let me just look at it from the other end where you do find a violation um when you say it's $100 going up to a thousand is that for separate complaints or is that based on whether the landlord complies and fixes the the problem yes okay okay because $100 is somewhere between three and 5% of what you can charge for a room um and and that's I'm wondering how much of a deterrent that might be uh sometimes it's not a very good deterrent right off the bat and we needs to have some more conversation with that person before we hit him with the second uh but usually once we get to the third one it starts to drill home the idea that we're actually serious and please do this and we at the issuance of that third one we

[85:00] do we're very clear to say there's a summons that's coming towards the end of this process where we are going to take you to court for something much more serious and so we're very verbal we're very communicative of um our intent and our needs and so we don't need to be overly punitive on the front end um especially because some people are just not aware of code requirements and maybe they are just not understanding that they need to act on this and I would rather air on a little bit less on the front end more conversation um unless it's a pure safety like this is going to burn down and then we move to unsafe structures rather than you know so thank you I appreciate that sure right we got Taisha and then maybe we'll get to the public hearing I will be brief I'm coming I'm doubling down on how we can better um address enforcement um especially for

[86:02] for folks who are falsely reporting and I you know although I understand and I respect um our our our attorney's response um the individual does have that but there is something about a system that allows false reporting and we know about it we also have responsibility in that as far as I'm concerned so I'm excited to hear more as the tracking of you know know the violators and to to even understand what would the threshold be right if it's three times or five times but there needs to be consequences when there are repeaters of of uh because they're they're wasting our time and our money so that's that's that's the other side of that coin um I'm not you know this is more of a a comment at this point uh because we don't even have the data to even make an informed policy at this point so thank you so much for that that the the the effort and the work but know that I'm eager to return to this conversation when we have enough data thank we do have conversations I just I want you to know that we oh no I'm sorry I meant I meant yeah okay well I I was

[87:02] saying like yeah well well on our end because I know I know yall got yes we do we have conversations with folks like this is the fourth time you've called about this particular property right because every time they do that that's that's you know money it's time that's money it's time and money remember we are fiscally restraint yes so I need all of our time to go towards people people whenever I say time staff anything like that I understand it's coming out of somebody's pocket to pay coming out of our pocket so that's why we have a responsibility to ensure that violators are taken care of and I've just noticed a a difference in how we enforce certain things some parts of our codes and things are heavily enforced and then there's others me this isn't a Chris this is just something I've observed in my short time here so thank you so much that was my question and comment right thanks oh we get a double dip although in your case it's like a six dip but go ahead thanks for pointing that out

[88:01] um so in the case of a fraternity sorority what are they referred to and what are the variations for that you'll have to clarify that question so are there room space standards for uh fraternity or sorority do they have to have a certain amount of square footage um if it yes I mean it still falls into the same ICC standards so so the fact that it used to be sort of a congregate or high density living space doesn't now it's that could be a place where you you they would have perhaps fewer people living in that building they could I mean it it really depends on the use of the building and what what is the occupancy for that use of that building so there's occupancy standards right and and then there's use occupancy standards right so you that's a hard question to

[89:01] answer because I'd have to look at the structure of the building and tell you like what is the use and occupancy for that use of that building as opposed to like a single family or you know that has added a couple new bedrooms in there and then that's easier to calculate in the ipmc because just you look at the chart and you're like okay this is great but we have we also have used stand ards that are a little bit different so okay so then but they are going to be held to the minimum standards just like everybody else okay so and so two students living in a very small room with a bunk bed in so very small room would be I that's not a term I'm going to use I'm going to say this is 100 square foot room and it you can have two occupants in this room okay this is 150 foot room you can have three occupants in this room hey how big is your dining room how big is your living room area do you have a bathroom on this floor is there a bathroom on the adjacent floor there's no bathroom on either of those

[90:01] floors that doesn't meet ipmc standards so I you can't do this that and this so there's a lot of like it seems like it's kind of easy but it's not sort of easy um there are other little standards that kind of get tripped along the way and I was trying to explain that to Carl one day and he's like oh my gosh so he's like that's very confusing and I said it is and um so again we've been enforcing ipmc standards for quite a while um it tripped us up a little bit when it was there was also a zoning standard and with families and related occupancies that kind of messed with it more um so it's almost simpler for us to just say hey this is the ipmc even though it deals with some more calculations and stuff like that it's from a Code Compliance mentality it's easier for us okay and then is is there a video online

[91:00] somewhere that talks someone through what this standard looks like um not that I'm aware of um we are as part of our more community outreach types of behavior that we're reinforcing um our landlord education um tools that we'll be putting out in our sessions that we'll have um we have been having them they kind of fell by the wayside during covid and then they started up again and we'll we'll have those available we'll also have a tenant version of that so they can talk to us about and ask questions and it'll be tutorials and stuff like that for them so they understand what our standards are Beyond just how many people can live in your house it's like don't put that drape on top of your ceiling and cover up your smoke alarm you know that kind of thing thank you all right so this is everybody's viral video opportunity is to create a YouTube video that outlines the ipmc requirements all right thanks Jen there was a lot of questions I really

[92:00] appreciate all that um elucidation a lot of great answers thank you all right well let's go to our public hearing we have two people signed up one in person one virtual each person will get three minutes to speak our in-person testifier is Eric bud hi Council um Eric bud I live in Boulder uh thanks so much for taking up this um ordinance tonight um I just wanted to talk about a little bit about Boulder's occupancy lims um kind of famar um when I first started working to end Boulders discriminatory occupancy limits in 2014 no person on city council even wanted to talk about changing them um they were politically Untouchable I want to acknowledge tonight how far we've come I'm just one of thousands of people have worked for decades to see this day

[93:01] come so when I first got involved I joined a group called boa which is called the the Boulder Community Housing Association which had the goal of bringing people who were living illegally Out of the Shadows such that these occupancy limits didn't evict people they didn't force people to leave their housing simply because they were unrelated um and it's and it's a cause that's really important and it's the the moral piece of this I think is lost in this conversation about building codes that we're not going to do that anymore um in 2015 over a hundred people came to these Chambers to speak out against increased enforcement on unrelated people simply living together following the building codes um the organization boa spent two years working on an ordinance to allow Cooperative housing which was which was illegal in the city for decades um we created bedrooms are for people an organization

[94:01] to change the occupancy laws who in 2020 had to sue the city of Boulder because the city council changed their election rules to keep people from voting on this issue in 2023 the city council agreed to raise the number of undle people who were legally allowed to live together and that was a step forward and then last year the the col col legislature voted to ensure that no one in the state of Colorado would be discriminated against in housing because their housemates were unrelated it has been 50 years since the US upheld discriminatory occupancy limits at the Supreme Court the vote was 8 to one in favor of keeping these discriminatory laws um third gr Marshall the first black judges judge Justice to serve on that body and one of my personal Heroes was the only Supreme Court Justice to correctly determine that housing occupant occupancy limits for unrelated

[95:00] people are unconstitutional and it's my hope that we can fix this Injustice Nationwide one day thank you thank you our one uh virtual testifier is Lyn seel mayor I do not see Lynn online any longer okay well in that case I will close the public hearing and bring it back to the city council for a consideration of the ordinance at hand I've got Nicole spear with your hand up I wanted to start with a motion if I please a motion to adopt ordinance 8651 amending Title One General Administration title four licenses and permits Title Five General Offices Title Nine land use code and title 10

[96:03] structures I will do it take all the time you need BRC 1981 to update residential occupancy standards to ensure conformance with Colorado house buillt 24107 concerning residential occupancy limits and setting forth related details second uh we've got a motion in a second Nicole do you want to speak to your motion now or take a minute um I I will take just a second now to say just a few words um it really hasn't set set well with me since I started on Council in 2021 that we've been defining occupancy based on a legal definition of family this is a definition that doesn't fit how a lot of us experience family

[97:00] I'm so glad this day has come uh I know it seems like just a little tiny change to get in compliance with state law uh but for a lot of us in community who've been working for this for a while and for a lot of us who um experience the way that this law has uh held back our ability to determine our own families tonight really matters I really appreciate that the direction that this takes us towards looking at protecting our community um strictly around life safety issues and in that way um providing more safety for our community members by not being um overly prescriptive about how people live their lives so I am really excited to see us move forward with this um thank you anyone else before the vote I'll just uh calling myself um

[98:01] briefly and just say that um uh Eric referenced the cooperatives discussion which I was a part of back in 2016 in 2017 and we spent a very long time putting together a very complicated ordinance so that people who were living together who were unrelated who had um a community that they had formed could do so legally and not get evicted and I was proud that we got through that process and passed an ordinance um to allow those folks to come out of the Shadows but the the process was still way too complicated too expensive too hard to apply for too hard to renew um and so it was it was with a um with some relief to see those entire code uh sections of the code being stricken as part of this ordinance because uh it was unnecessary to allow people to live in community together so I'm glad that we now have this um much more straightforward uh approach based on Life Safety um so looking forward to approving this here tonight thanks

[99:00] everybody right seeing no other hands raised Elisha if we can have a roll call please yes sir we'll take the roll call for the item 5A the ordinance 8651 adoption with council member spear yes wallik yes Adams yes Benjamin yes mayor Brockett yes mayor protim fols yes council member Marquis yes and shoar yes ordinance 8651 is hereby adopted unanimously all right well City staff thanks so much for for putting this together and getting this across the Finish Line and um thanks to you and the those of you in the community who've advocated on this topic for many

[100:00] years all right that brings us nearly to the end of our agenda we have one more item yes sir our last item on our agenda tonight is our item number 8A Matters from the mayor and members of council it is the not of three to proceed with additional research regarding incentives programs for Housing Home Ownership so Council Mark Mark you brought this forward would you like to tell us a little bit more about this sure I had um submitted a CAC uh the council agenda committee request about um thinking about ways to create incentives for ownership that might be outside of deed restricted ownership in the city of Boulder um we have heard some feedback that there are people interested in owning homes for financial predictability and stability and not only having a rental model mod for new development um within the city so the staff kindly responded and said that um

[101:00] they could do some additional research thinking about incentives for ownership or other ideas I don't know what they'll come up with I Tred not to be constrained or prescriptive in my requests because I'm interested in just thinking about this concept and um seeing if we can invite that and maybe get some people to Boulder who are looking for ownership outside of Boulder and commuting it thanks for that um any questions for Tina or a comment on that before we check and see if there are three or more people interested in this Matt you're off Tina was your intent for this to be strictly like around multif family and sort of our larger housing developments or housing ubiquitously it could be any kind of housing um but an example might be let's say someone was converting a duplex into two units is there a way that the city could create an incentive like a you know permitting incentive or a tax incentive so that one of the units would be an ownership model but not a city-owned deed restricted ownership model but it could be anything okay do

[102:01] you mind if I propose a friendly addition well the staff only gave me a KN of three for the what I asked for but you can oh I was just thinking about using Market forces to drive housing ownership through having either a rental cap or a rent to own ratio throughout the city so we can sort of suppress the speculative rental poaching that occurs and keep homes available for sale that is fine to add that yes thank you does Staff feel like that would still be within a KN of three kind of framework good good evening Council Mark wolf assistant city manager I can maybe provide just a little your mic just went off little it's being a little quiet so maybe speak right into it how about now that's good okay uh I'll provide a little bit of context just um before additional things get added to the to the pile tonight so so uh we did respond a bit uh uh to

[103:01] the CAC request uh to council member Marcus's original request I'll provide a little bit of that on the record since I think that was just on the CAC um Email exchange uh so uh one item of note is that uh we are preparing an IP and information packet item uh soon that will update Council on current home ownership programs uh so that will be things like uh our general efforts towards middle- income housing uh development and our down payment assistance program so that's kind of current state is is currently planned and then I just wanted to briefly mention we we are engaged with the Bloomberg Phil philanthropy City leadership initiative in an effort to explore uh Innovations in our affordable uh housing program overall uh so this partnership may help inform concepts of afford ility uh beyond our current program uh that research uh anticipates examining our current inclusionary

[104:00] housing program zoning regulations our overall affordable housing financing structure and other elements uh we anticipate that work to be completed in late summer uh which uh Council would receive an update in that August September window so that's probably the best opportunity to more comprehensively look at the different options and anything that might imply additional work plan items so that that would be our general response and then I can respond to more details or phone a friend behind me we have Brad and CT here as well no I appreciate I don't think we need a lot more details but Ty you had a follow up oh Nicole did sorry thanks for helping worri yeah I just had a couple of other questions um is there a a way that this fits that all into the comprehensive plan discussions or anything that we're having coming up there or do you really see it as the the um Bloomberg is that the best opportunity that's a good question council member and Brad will kick me if I'm wrong on this I I think the Bloomberg work will be instructive and

[105:01] is good timing in advance of the comp plan update so so we do anticipate utilizing the research any Lessons Learned From from that initiative uh being able to pull that into our our comp plan work um obviously it'll depend a bit on how um Community comes back on some of the areas of focus and ultimately the policy areas that you all and the four bodies will explore as a part of the update but uh surely you know middle income and and flexibility on our affordable housing program could be on the list of things during during the comp plan update um and then the other uh question that I had around it um so back at the retreat which was almost a year ago now um I had asked about uh an assessment of the um current affordable home ownership program and there was a survey kind of going on does that fit into this at all it does that is with the uh the first item I mentioned with the U update um on our existing programs uh that's that's likely if that doesn't include

[106:01] additional research uh that's likely to come soon to council okay cool and then um I I'm not sure if you if you said it I apologize I didn't get it explicitly uh but what what's the trade-off I mean since we're talking not of not of three there's got to be a trade-off so what is that here uh if Council would like additional research uh beyond the Bloomberg initiative or that IP uh we we think there's some limited uh ability to look at some pure City research what are other cities doing in this space that could be added to the IP but likely delay the IP about two months that would be the impact there um if it's beyond that I think we'd need a little bit more back and forth Just because the the same staff that are working on uh and involved in the Bloomberg project would would be pulled into this effort so we would need to think about that a little bit more thank you um I had a question about the the scope of that Bloomberg component

[107:01] because I'm seeing a possibility where there may be some opportunities to align Council interest with staff interests and so curious if there's an opportunity to visit the scope because I don't you know um yeah yeah and I I'll point out mayor brocked and Chris M Chuck both involved in that initiative so I invite either of them to speak to to that uh question on scope yeah I'm happy to speak to it and I think TAA you asked a really good question and um the the research and the the kind of problem frame that we're looking at as a part of this is pretty broad um and uh we're following a bit of like a it's an innovation kind of rubric and structure um that that is provided as part of the program I'd be happy to have a a direct conversation with you to just make sure that whatever is on your mind in terms of kind of Interest areas to make sure that those are covered but

[108:01] um we're right now it's really looking at at examining um housing and Boulder and attainable housing for all and with with that kind of Future Vision that we want to be able to have a community that has housing opportunities for all um so but would love to dig into the details a little bit with you if there's something specific well and it's not just me I I think it's and I I obviously I have high regard for our mayor and and you you're still two people not representative of our whole community and so I just am hopeful that we could have a broader conversation around just what that this actually is this goes to a pattern that I'd seen before that I've mentioned about sometimes the scope of the research when it's done doesn't actually meet the needs of the current council members and so this is what this is a request that I'm having to try try and help mitigate that on the front end um I'm imagining this is a very expensive project and so I would love to just make sure that we have a scope that we can all feel really

[109:01] good about because Tina's request in my opinion fits perfectly within that scope but I don't even know what that scope is um and so the fact that we have to do even hold this conversation when you know I'm I guess what I'm asking is can we revisit um how we do research and evaluation so that um there's more Collective agreement on on what it is where on the research questions um and the design so I I I appreciate the oneon-one but I I and um I just don't know how efficient that would be and and I actually would I care to know what all of my colleagues have to say on that because each of us bring something different um we have a different perspective different expertise uh and so I think we could benefit greatly the the quality of the research will benefit greatly um by opening the scope of who's making decision during this really critical step on design so thank you thanks for that TAA and we should uh it's a good point about getting a little

[110:01] bit more to talking about a little bit more kind of as as a body I'll the so thanks for raising the question I'll just I'll just note that it it is the idea is very much to be um part of the comprehensive plan process so that rather than being kind of a separate initiative or work plan item that it being about a matter I think that we all care about the about the availability and attainability of housing leading into the plan process um and um they're actually are providing a great deal of those entities are providing resources to us rather than than vice versa just but all all fair points yeah um so just circle back um I I know I offered a friendly amendment that was uh certainly accepted by Tina but puts onus on staff if that's not the appropriate place for it I just want to know where is is this is it the comp plan is it this Bloomberg thing that is the appropriate slot for an idea like the one I presented and perhaps others from colleagues to one be put on the table for for vetting and

[111:01] throw so I just want to kind of know like where and when is that venue so I can either I I I don't need to then harp on amendments and I can be cool and come prepared when that moment comes and Chris you can chime in here uh as well my reaction to that would be yes it's this Bloomberg project and bringing the conclusions and summary from that work to Council in that August September window as we've been planning certainly if if council's interested in adding a work plan item Beyond addressing those items within the comp plan process that's a different conversation but I think then at that point in August September you would have the the Fuller picture of of the research accomplished within the confines of the project at that time so having an idea for something to explore we're w on this Bloomberg thing to determine what we should explore and whether or not an idea fits into that envelope or not is to be determined

[112:00] sometime in August is that what I'm hearing you want to help again I'm just trying to find out when if it's weight and then there's scope and there's analysis then our input is then already it's it's it's irrelevant because the work has already been done versus hey love for you to explore this thing and if it's Dead on Arrival tell us that that and if it's got some tendrils then we might know that in the uh resulting sort of plan that comes in in in August so I'm just trying to know where where where does an idea or concept that we may or may not know as part of this be appropriately inserted or brought to the table Yeah I um you're right there's a little bit of chicken and egg here that that I I get where you're going um the what in the The Innovation project that we're doing around affordable housing there's no um the way the the project

[113:03] works and the kind of framework that they have us using um there are no preconceived specific approaches that we are um specifically trying to study at this time it's a open-ended problem statement and then we're going through an interview process um to dig into those areas there will be a phase where we start to then explore and kind of dig into some hypotheses so it might fit there um and the reason I'm hesitating is just because we haven't gotten to that stage yet so um so I I'd be happy to hear more on it because that way we can see if it it fits in there um and the idea of all of this kind of research is as Mark described is going to be able to feed into then the policy conversations at the comp plan um that's how the timing actually works out really perfectly so um so if you're okay with it what i'

[114:01] what I'd say is the same a bit of the same thing I said to Taisha which is I'd love to have a one-on-one conversation on it to dig in a little bit more and if it if it doesn't fit um I I'll be happy to be honest and tell you that I got Lauren we we're getting all kinds of Interest here in in what we're talking about I got Lauren I got Tina I got Taisha and I'll I'll just and I will just note that that what what you're talking about in terms of the Innovation group this is a cross- departmental staff team it does not involve me or other council members right that are subject matter experts in in City staff are digging into these research items and seeing uh you know what they might bring back to us to vet thank you for that clarification um I do it does feel like it would be nice to have a touch point with Council before

[115:00] this the findings of this are just presented to us I am not involved enough to understand what that might be but as we think about what areas it makes sense to delve really deeply into it does seem like there would be a political aspect of that that it would be important to consider I do think that that is separate though a little bit from Tina's request and as a conversation I would be happy to participate in offline great one suggestion to that council member just for the Bloomberg project itself and Chris can correct me if I'm wrong here because we'll we'll be having an upcoming study session on the focus areas of the comp plan we can make sure to bring a little bit more information on the timing and the implications of the project as it relates to the the policy areas that that sounds like a great idea because clearly there's um some Justified interest in this topic right but we also

[116:01] want to move forward with our checking in on the not of three so Tina yeah and just um colleagues my original CAC request was first um additional thoughts about incentives around affordability and my second request was just around ownership but not only in the context of affordability so the response for the affordability affordability piece was the Bloomberg project the ownership piece outside of deed restricted or the actual intentional affordable housing that's what the KN of three is for and so I just want to make it clear that that's what I'm looking to add is just the ownership piece onto that General discussion I guess where I'm going with this is like I want to have the discussion I just don't know where it is and I don't want to add on something so that's where I I I feel terrible at the idea of saying no to something I would want but I'm saying no to adding

[117:00] on I'm saying yes to integrating into existing things um so yeah I'm I'm I'm just I don't even know how to to respond but I really love the the alternative option that you're bringing where that we can have that conversation and and make sure that that component is in there is what I'm hearing so thank you and I think I've gotten a little bit lost on where we are so I'm just going to try to summarize a little bit um what I think we might be talking about um so I think what I heard you say Mark is that um we could have some of what um Tina is asking about in an information packet in a couple of months um if we wanted to add on some more work to that um to say look at Best Practices in other cities and things like that um that would add a couple more months to that information packet and and where where it would take us um there may be some options for talking about some of this during the Boulder Valley comprehensive plan discussions um is

[118:01] that did I summarize that kind of effectively that's correct so the the additional home ownership best practices options that exist in the universe we can add that to the IP it would likely delay that we're thinking about two months so I I think and Kurt can correct me if I'm wrong that might be in the June window that you would receive that IP then but it wouldn't to get that IP without the kind of other City research y that we can still do at no other cost to other work correct you would if you don't add the additional research that would come to you sooner so it's just your your decision on just that piece is whether or not you're comfortable with the delay of the IP so that we can conduct that additional research and um Tina can I ask you a question would would you clarify which of those you're kind of asking for of like is this kind of for an i for like that additional work for the IP right so for me so my interest is in seeing if there are ways that we can allow people

[119:01] to own their home in in Boulder and it sounds to me the way it is but it's kind to tell you you just point it's a little hard to assess it entirely but it sounds like we may not get that in this next iteration um and that is a priority for me so but it the not of three is it's not a necessarily priority for all and that's 100% okay um that's why we're all here and uh and the second thing is I'm sort of hearing that there's going to be a touch point and I'm wondering if that's an additional meeting or is that already scheduled already scheduled for which piece now now you lost me bbcp the bbcp up the bbcp it's not around the Bloomberg and the housing piece it's just so bbcp update is scheduled for May uh joint study session late May and then the Bloomberg project we don't have scheduled but anticipate that to be scheduled in August September that time frame for Council two

[120:00] different discussions but you my I understood you to say that you could touch on it in the we could yes absolutely as relates to the bbcp we can touch on the Bloomberg work during that that may piece essentially a status update right that's what we were looking for in the May piece okay we're we're over our 15 minutes for this but real quick Taisha and Mark please um I actually just realized that we have more people who can help with the research than the people in our city and that is National League of cities we can make these types of requests especially if we're talking about comps and what other cities are doing we pay for that membership so um I'm just curious if that's another alternative to maybe be able to get some of the home ownership I know they did a whole accelerator around home ownership and so I'm wondering if we can actually just meet with them and gather and see and assess and ask them right if again we pay for this is nothing we get is free so I just wanted to offer that as another alternative thank you

[121:01] thanks yeah Ju Ju Just very briefly I'm happy to be supportive of any research uh we can do on this subject um but I'd like to filter all of these possibilities and suggestions through the particular conditions of Boulder which is land here is 2 and a half to three $3 million an acre and the hard costs of construction are $4 to $500 per square foot that may have a major impact on the viability of anything we come up with and we need to look at it in real world terms you what what the bue does is not going to be the same thing that we do because they have different costs and if we if we can do this research and keep our particular conditions in mind I am entirely supportive thanks for that all right well I'm going to now see if we have the nod of three I'm going to ask for a show of hands rather than nodding because it's hard to see nods all all those in favor of

[122:01] Tina's request for not of three hold your hand up got looks like I got unanimous so the nodding has happened um thanks for talking all of that through okay uh that brings us to the end of our agenda uh before I gav let close I just thought I'd mention uh see a number of Cu students in the audience thanks for joining us here tonight it's great to have you here and you may be shocked to know that this is uh we're ending very early for a city council meeting com um yes so but we do now if if you did want to refer back to public comment this would be your alternative opportunity opportunity didn't feel that way y I don't know absolutely we got our two minutes wonderful thank you um so I just wanted to um speak to the multi-use pack path and the the bike um theft and um just bike Security on those bike paths um and specifically the signage

[123:00] like I didn't even know there was a speed limit on the bike path I mean I'm just I'm not even kidding and so if I don't know and I'm on the thing um how how you know we can't hold people to standards that they don't know so um you know I think that the signage is and I I also am really I want to honor the conversation around engineering versus enforcement and how much are we actually spending on enforcement and what does that look like um you know I actually talked about the need to a recommendation around um having a stronger relationship with our hospitals so that we can get more information on some of the inj injury injuries as well um that are happening um just am eager to hear more so thank you for continuing to bring that um to the table um I also wanted to lift up the rooftop solar um and I understand it is my understanding that staff made a decision um based on our policy priorities around local control and I understand that however we also have other policies around climate resilience and we cannot be an a student

[124:01] in a failed group assignment and so we need to do everything we can to ensure that clean renewable energy is available throughout the state and not just in the city of Boulder we I'm hopeful that we cannot uh that we can revisit that decision and I look forward to hearing what the process is to have a more robust discussion as a council around that um illegal camping thank you very much we heard thank you for continuing to to lift that up um I think there's a variety of different um issues around that but I just want to lift up that we heard you um and continue to work in that area where how am I doing all my time I don't see the timer did it end you got maybe 30 45s all right well I need you me holl holl a girl where my my stuff at um proportional representation that was also really interesting and if that person can send us an email that would be wonderful um and I also just want to lift up an appreciations for a joint declaration I saw the no other lands documentary last night at the dairy if you have not please go ahead

[125:00] and see that um but I just again um am grateful for um a community interest in revisiting a joint declaration I have significant concerns around a separate but equal hate declaration thank you so much thanks Mark I'll get it within two minutes three comments um one we've had I think an increasing number of people um expressing to us frustrations with enforcement of one thing or another and it leads me to wonder if we are uh insufficiently staffed to provide adequate enforcement in a number of areas and me you know I'm beginning to think that's something we ought to look at over time um because the number of complaints seems to to grow uh my second comment is addressed to the the gentleman who uh um basically attack this Council for insu for defects of behavior with respect to anti-Semitism and I want to point

[126:00] out that first uh we have declined the opportunity to be involved in Middle East politics despite vociferous efforts to compel us to do so um a majority of the members of this Council have spoken up against uh expressions of anti-Semitism in this room and many of us have expressed those views public and on various occasions I think that was an unfair criticism and lastly um one speaker claimed that we're reducing freedom of speech for those who support Palestine I suggest that the largest uh number of speakers in tonight's open comment were people who were dealing with the issue of Palestine so I'm a little curious as to how that constitutes um a reduction of freedom of speech and uh I think that's an unfair criticism as well thank you thanks I got Ryan you got uh thanks I just wanted to acknowledge Mr Mike Clark who spoke on the um the arapo

[127:01] Foothill Parkway um red light matter uh thanks um Chris for clarifying that that is one of the intersections where we we do have automated controls now my understanding is that as operational drivers being ticketed that's not the case we should well I guess I would ask if we can just double check that that's happening um that is one of I think 24 places ments that this Council approved um based on staff um datadriven work uh in December of 2023 um and we staff is doing an incredible amount of work to roll this out Citywide and includes a lot of um coordination with C dot because both of those um roads plus many others are C do roads so I want to thank staff for their the work to do that and I we can't get them all done quick enough and start talking about the next the next round as far as as I'm concerned um so I mainly just wanted to make sure that that's known and and thanks that for their work to get that done all right thanks all seeing no

[128:00] other hands raised and we're at the end of our agenda I will go ahead and gabble 03 p.m. good night everybody thank you e e