June 20, 2024 — City Council Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

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[5:52] let's go ahead and get started then it is um 6 o00 and I will call the meeting to order Miss Elisha will you please call

[6:00] the rooll for us yes ma'am thank you and good evening everyone we'll start tonight's roll call as usual with council member Adams present Benjamin present mayor Brockett is absent council member fulkers present Marquis present shuar here mayor protim spear present council member wall present and wi pres mayor Pro Tim we have our Corel thank you so much and welcome everyone to tonight's meeting um we have two declarations that we'll start off with tonight council member Marquis will you please present the Immigrant Heritage Month declaration thank you um so this is a declaration for immigrant heritage month for June 2024 immigrant Heritage Month celebrates the generations of immigrants from every corner of the globe who have built our country's economy created the unique character of our city and are linked in a shared history IM migrants have come

[7:00] here to work to learn and to find Freedom and shelter they are an important part of Colorado's history and they continue to keep the workforce competitive businesses Innovative and the economy strong in addition to economic contributions immigrants bring diverse perspectives and experiences that make for a unique social and cultural influence fundamentally enriching the extraordinary character of our community immigrants have not only been steadfast leaders in securing their own rights and access to equal opportunity but have also campaigned to create a fairer and more just Society for all yet despite these countless contributions the role of immigrants in building and advancing our nation has frequently been overlooked and undervalued throughout our history and continuing to the present day one in 10 Boulder County residents is an immigrant and this exceptional group of people adds to the variety of languages customs and Cuisines which contributes the cultural

[8:00] diversity enjoyed in the city the city council of the city of Boulder Colorado declares June 2024 as immigrant heritage month and urge all to join in recognizing the distinct value that lies in welcoming people of different backgrounds and treating all with dignity and respect you thank you so much uh council member ferz will now present the pride month declaration and we have one Marano from Rocky Mountain equality here to receive the Declaration and you may join council member folkart in front of the dis thank you and thank you one for joining me up here um the first Pride was a riot more than 50 years ago the Stonewall Uprising was a 5-day clash between patrons of the Stonewall Inn and New York City Police who had raided the bar and began eating

[9:00] and arresting people it wasn't the First Time The Stonewall Inn and other establishments for gay people were raided but this time hundreds of people decided to fight back there is a tendency to look back at history through rose-colored glasses but it is important to memorialize the realities the pain and the discomfort because important changes generally don't come from asking nicely through this resistance the LGBT TQ plus rights movement in America was born during the lgbtq plus pride month we commemorate the events of June 1969 and commit to achieving equality justice under the law for lb lgbtq plus individuals Boulder has a diverse lgbtq plus community that includes people of many ethnicities religions and professions and we consider diversity to be a community asset that enhances and

[10:00] enriches the lives of every resident worker visitor and student in our city lgbtq plus individuals are our teachers Baristas volunteers Tech workers current Future Leaders and Elders they keep our community going while dealing with anti-lgbtq plus bias and discrimination that persists even here in Boulder and that is growing across the country we are grateful for the work of local advocacy groups such as the equ equality I'm sorry the name changed it says Al Boulder County in the Declaration the Equality Center OAS oos The Pride office at CU Boulder queer asteris and a queer Endeavor that support our lgbtq plus community members many of whom have intersecting marginalized indentities that are not always honored and celebrated in our

[11:02] city although other states and even the United States Supreme Court are taking away or limiting the rights of lgbtq plus individuals and families advocacy from the lgbtq plus Community here in Boulder County and allies across the state LED some significant victories this year the Colorado legislature passed bills passed a bill requiring schools to honor students chosen names additionally our legislator P legislature passed a resolution that refers a ballot measure to Colorado voters to remove language Banning same-sex marriage from the Colorado state constitution while this language became obsolete after the Supreme Court's ruling protecting the right to same-sex marriage Nationwide in 2015 it's imperative to amend the state constitution to remove this language in the event that the Supreme Court overturns its previous

[12:08] ruling we thank everyone in the lgbtq plus Community who continues to work to keep yourself in our community going in many respects there has been a Prof there has been profound success in the rights protections and general Community acceptance of lgbtq plus people in the past 55 years as our city celebrates Pride this month we not only honor our lgbtq plus communities and advocacy organizations for their continued work to achieve equity in our systems we also restate our commitment to this ongoing work to promote and protect everyone in our community regardless of gender or sexuality remembering difference isn't wrong it's Central to what makes our community beautiful and deserves to be

[13:00] celebrated we the city council of the city of Boulder Colorado declare June 2024 as pride month we urge all residents to live their best most bold lives and to stand up against Injustice in all its forms because a threat to Justice anywhere is a threat to Justice everywhere and with that I would like to invite you on to say a few words um thank you so much to to city council and and the city of Boulder for being continuously supportive not just of a pride month but Rocky Mountain equality formerly known as out Boulder County and of course the um the lgbtq plus Community we are very grateful to receive your support and hopefully we can see you at the boulder Festival next Sunday the 30th at Central Park thank you so [Applause] much thank you so much um our city clerk

[14:00] will now go over the public participation guidelines and slides prior to the opening of our open comment thank you Lisa for bringing those up thank you everyone for being here this evening we appreciate your presence I'll go now go over the public participation guidelines at City Council meetings the city has engaged with community members to co-create a vision for for productive meaningful and inclusive Civic conversations this Vision supports physical and emotional safety for community members staff and Council as well as democracy for people of all ages identities lived experiences and political perspectives for more information about this vision and the community engagement processes please visit our website at bouldercolorado.gov servicesproducts

[15:02] atmospheres the following are examples of rules of decorum found in the B Revised Code and other guidelines that support this Vision these will be upheld during this meeting our remarks and testimonies shall be limited to matters related to City business no participant shall make threats or use other forms of intimidation against any person obscenity r epithets and other speech and behavior that disrupts or otherwise impedes the ability to conduct the meeting are prohibited participants are required to sign up to speak using the name they are commonly known by and individuals must display their whole name before they are allowed to speak online currently only audio testimony is permitted online inperson participants are asked to refrain from expressing support or disagreement verbally or with Applause with the exception of declarations

[16:01] traditionally support is shown silently through American Sign Language Applause or jazz hands thank you again and we appreciate your presence thank you so much um and I just want to reiterate uh the rules that we have around noising council chambers um it really just helps make sure that everybody who is speaking can be heard during their time that they have two minutes is such a short period of time to try to to get across uh a an a perspective on a complex issue and it just becomes even harder um when folks are unable to be heard um so I'm hoping that we can avoid the need for a recess this week and um as we just heard uh using silent reactions um like thumbs up thumbs down uh jazz hands rather than speaking out or clapping during open comment will help us avoid a recess uh but if the chamber is unable to follow those rules and disrupts the meeting then we will recess um I'll be stopping speakers at two minutes just to ensure everybody has equal time at the podium

[17:00] unless there's some sort of equipment malfunction if you have any additional comments that don't fit in those two minutes please email us we do read all of our emails even if we don't always have time to respond um and thank you so much for all being here tonight um apologies in advance if I mispronounce somebody's name and you are very welcome to U use a second to correct me um when you get to the podium um if I do so our first speaker for tonight is adelene Marquez followed by Lucy Carlson krov and then Glenn marshman hello okay hi my name is AD Len and I'm here again just like we just heard that a threat to Justice anywhere is a threat to Justice everywhere I am advocating for an immediate ceasefire in gasa highlighting the urgent need to address disability rights human rights and woman

[18:01] and child rights the ongoing genocide in Gaza has had devastating impacts more than 35,000 civilians are dead over 14,000 are kids there are half a million children in danger of starvation and a slow death more than 12,000 have been wounded and now Gaza has the most disabled kids in the world this is a humanitarian issue um we've seen people burning alive dead bodies decapitated B babies children in shock people under Rubble I don't know what image will make you act and really um pressure the federal government to do something like a uh like the immediate ceasefire this is also a climate change issue as we know the pollution from bombs and all of that is really detrimental to our land and it is really

[19:06] scary that it's been so many months of this this is televised and you all have not taken a stance uh juneth teaches us that our liberations are interconnected the freedom of one is tied to the freedom of all as we honor the day yesterday let's extend this solidarity to the children and people people of gasa advocating for their right to a life free from violence and by doing so we would affirm our commitment as a city to Justice and equity for children and people everywhere thank you adelain appreciate your comments um next up is Lucy Carlson krov uh Glenn marshman and then Tila duim good evening Council I'm Lucy Carlson croff I would like to express my utmost support for options A and B regarding the iris Avenue bike lane um

[20:03] I'm a lifelong Boulder resident and I actually currently live on Iris Avenue and I'm almost 100% a bike Commuter for many reasons environmental and social being priorities um biking down IRS in its current state that is a little flimsy painted line that only slightly Separates Me from Cars barreling down at 40 45 50 I've seen miles an hour although the speed limit is 35 um is dangerous I fear for my safety while I'm biking down this street um so it is possible to build a protected bike lane in fact we've done it right here in Boulder on fulam street where I ride every day to get to work it's a very positive experience for me and Automobiles um so I Envision a better future for myself and all other Iris commuters let us imagine a road that works for everyone children who can't drive yet bus riders on RTD um people with disabilities who can't drive bike riders pedestrians and yes even

[21:00] automobile drivers and I look forward to working with you all on this important issue thank you thank you for your comments uh next up is Glenn marshman then Tila doam and Michael Benjamin good evening everybody uh my name is Glenn marshman and I want to talk about the boulder municipal airport I'm a native of Boulder and been flying out of the boulder airport for over 50 years I soled my dad j3 Cub when I was 14 at the boulder airport I'm very much in favor of housing affordable housing in Boulder I know it's tough for the workforce to afford to live in Boulder and we obviously need to do something as far as affordable housing I don't think decommissioning the airport for affordable housing is a good idea I have over 15 friends that have learned to fly at Boulder that have gone to the Airlines united Frontier and FedEx we have many uh Pilots that fly in small rural areas

[22:02] of airports that end up flying for commercial airlines and we know that there's going to be a big shortage of airline pilots coming up in the future and I think we could do something about that by keeping the airport alive the flood in 2013 we had the second largest aerial extraction next to Katrina there were hundreds of men camping at the airport that were deployed daily during the flood d for the flood victims for help the flood victims the same for the fires we have had over the years we've also we also have medac helicopters based at the boulder airport that fly daily I'd hate to see to lose that in the future the cost involved in decommissioning the airport would put the infrastructure and the legal fees to fight the FAA before anything even got built would cost hundreds of million dollars to the city of Boulder I believe that a 3 would be a much better viable

[23:01] alternative for affordable housing thank you and have a good evening thank you for your comments Glenn next up we have Tila duim Michael Benjamin and then Josh Joseph good evening Council it is so lovely to see your faces I'm so glad we're in the room together again I'm Tila duim I am your chair of uh the transportation Advisory board but I'm just here tonight little me um and I'm here to talk about the iris Avenue plans so um the b360 happened a couple weekends ago and I'm on the route I live on the route and so I just kind of trotted out that morning and a couple of um saw horses and pled down a a bit of plywood and put a a little tablecloth on it and I offered some lemonade and some iced tea um and people stopped and they were free to stop but I also happen to have pictures of the four options ABC and D for Iris Avenue and I sort of

[24:00] raided my um blank card drawer and said hey if you want to write a love letter to council if you have any thoughts about it here you go and I'll deliver them for you so I'm here to deliver these to you tonight I have 54 of them uh I collected these in about a little over two hours let's say two and a half hours uh the next night better Boulder had a little event at Twisted Pine and I I brought my stack along in a few other blanks and I got maybe another five or so so that's about every 3 minutes for the people that I talk to um lots of people took a took a beverage talked and left and went on their way but for the people who stopped to write these letters it was remarkable they almost wrote themselves here's basically what I told them I said Iris Avenue will be changing Council has decided that needs to change and it's a priority Corridor here are the four options but it's basically a mosaic of two different things one should it happen now uh and we use whatever the available Road width is or B should we um essentially adapt

[25:01] it as a as a road widening project and that's going to be difference in time and difference in money and then the other decision was where does that protected bike Lan go should it be squished together as a cycle track or on either side of the road and it was so unanimous people want to change now they really didn't care whether the cycle track was smooshed on one side or the other I would love email us like a pictures you can leave those as well yeah then we can look at them thank you all right next up um we have Michael Benjamin and then Josh Joseph and then Margo Crow I'm curious is is city council allowed to do jazz hands if you all agree with something I say does that happen okay great my name is Michael Benjamin uh I've lived in Boulder for over 15 years I just want to say thank you for listening to me and other citizens during this open comment session I know it can't be easy to have people come in here who don't know all about the political process tell you how

[26:00] to do your jobs better but that's why I'm here so I'll get into it I came to talk about funding for the Arts uh based on recent articles I've read it sounds like the general fund support for the city's budget for the city for the office of arts and culture is going to be eliminated I'm opposed to this decision and I believe many people who live in Boulder would also be and I'm asking you to reconsider this I am a little biased I make my living uh creating artwork for businesses I'm an ad Jun teacher at Cu uh and I teach an art class and my three-year-old daughter also loves art we view art as an as a luxury but I think it's actually essential to keeping Boulder culturally culturally relevant and economically vital we want a we want a vibrant City but we just can't have Banks and hotels and tech companies we need new Innovations from the minds of artists uh we want to attract people from all over but we just can't rely on our proximity to nature we we need the new and

[27:00] energetic experiences that come from artists we want a safe and diverse City we just can't hope and pray that inspiring people come here we need to create a creatively welcoming environment for artists of all different backgrounds so again just please understand that support for the Arts will give us exponential results for the community for local businesses for our entire city and the future of our town depends on what you decide this year so what I'm asking is that you support at least 1% of the city's budget for arts and culture initiatives and I appreciate your time thank you thank you so much for your comments Michael next up Josh Joseph Margo Crow and Gary brener hey folks I'm here to talk about this hot new thing called affordable housing you might have heard of it so to contextualize it I want to talk a bit about Boulder so median home pric is about $1.4 million right now which is

[28:01] bananas similar to San Jose Silicon Valley Tech Hub so let's break that down monthly assuming a I can put down a small down payment of $300,000 and B I have perfect credit that's over $77,000 per month or $84,000 per year in post tax income in other words if I made $115,000 pre-tax that's 100% of my money so if we were to follow the typical rule of thumb which says my household should make approximately three times my mortgage to be financially secure I need to make about $252,000 it's insane so it's clear why Boulder has 60,000 Inc commuters daily Boulder excludes its working class forcing them to adjacent cities because Boulder has historically made injurious land use decisions um should Boulder be a city for the top 5% I recently graduated with a masters from CU Boulder focused on urban planning resiliency suain stability um and I'm looking at roles at the city

[29:01] locally and then at the state and midle roles typically offer around5 to $6,000 per month which is a thousand short of if I put a 100% of my money towards a mortgage um I've got a bunch of friends similarly graduated very intelligent can't fathom affording a condor or a home it's a temporary place for us so this is why I've seen an opportunity and decommissioning the airport and building affordable dense mixed use housing instead land use is a zero sum game and the airport is a fundamental misuse of about 200 acres of land it's being used to store planes in a city where people are desperate for housing so I encourage our council members to publicly endorse the two airport neighborhood campaign ballot measures and by doing so you show your sensibilities lie with normal working people thank you Josh appreciate your comments next up Margo Crow and Gary brener and then Gil Gilmore

[30:06] is Margo here all right let's go with Gary brener and then we'll have Gil Gilmore and Marcus poppets hello I'm Gary brener I'm here to talk about the uh Gregory flood uh mitigation project and I want to make three points the first one is the plan that you're that's currently being uh put together and that you'll be presented with probably will not produce any flood mitigation benefits at all on on Gregory Creek none now why is that the reason is it's designed to handle 570 cubic feet per second the flood that we saw in 2013 was at least 2,000 cubic feet per second so that 570 cubic feet

[31:00] per second wouldn't scratch the surface on that Flood now when you get to the smaller floods and I've been here for 40 years and I've experienced a lot of floods those floods are a little bit messy but they don't cause property damage and they don't threaten life so if we build this size of a project we're going to be handling floods that are too small to harm us and we won't be able to handle the floods that are big enough that we should be handling now the good news is that there is a solution the solution is to develop a response plan and to plan to set up temporary barriers when we have a bad Flood now my third point is that that response plan idea actually has some uh historical president that tells us it'll work in 2013 my neighbors set up some diversions on 7th street and were able to succeed in diverting the water now those diversions were set up by in an ad hoc

[32:00] fashion by Ordinary People and had dramatic effects just think how much better we could do if we had our professional uh utility department doing that and we planned that in advance um by the way I see that I'm joined here by three members of the community who live near Gregory Creek who are here because they're interested in the creek thank you very much thank you Gary um next up we have Gil Gilmore Marcus poppets and then Rob smoke hello my name is Gil Gilmore I'm here to talk about the airport uh my name is Gil Gilmore I'm 13 years old I have a airplane washing business all the monies from that business go into a saving to pay for flight lessons I'm a member of the Experimental Aircraft Association Boulder chapter 1627 and the

[33:00] Vintage Aircraft Association Boulder chapter 42 in August 2019 at 8 years old I took my first flight at Boulder municipal airport BDU along with many other kids like myself these flights were made possible through the boulder EA chapter 1627 and volunteer pilots who generously volunteered their time and aircraft I could talk about the sa the airport provides for the community but I would I instead would like to talk about the community that the airport provides every Saturday the airport hosts Young Eagles every first Saturday of the month the airport hosts Young Eagles rallies with tens of kids every single time that go up for their first flight because they love Aviation recently last Saturday we had our airport day with hundreds of people

[34:01] from the Boulder Community that came out to the airport to watch planes and just hang out at the airport sometimes when I'm watching planes there I see a parent with their kid come out and just sit and watch the airplanes I think the airport is essential to the Boulder Community and that is why I would encourage you to look at the facts instead of solely focusing on emotion thank you thanks so much for being here tonight Gil uh next up we've got Marcus poppet Rob smoke and then Laura Kaplan hello my name is Marcus popets uh I live at 2197 Jordan place which is at 22nd in Iris one block north of Iris I'm here to support options A and B uh and and to Lodge you for your efforts of leading us through this process because I went through the fome process and while I love the bike Lanes I don't envy

[35:00] you uh the possible vitory all that may come your way um but I did want to attach a human face to it uh because I've lived there since my kids were little their schools have always been on the south side of Iris uh they would bike to school every day and I rode with them to school three years longer than I probably would have because of Iris because even though we have a protected Crossing uh we see cars blow that at for you know 45 miles hour it's hard to slow down and uh and then you know fast forward a few years my son was going to middle school and coming back in a snowstorm and actually got hit Crossing Iris on his bicycle and it's those types of things that like emotionally I would love to just keep in your minds when we're going through this process because we can get caught up in traffic speeds and such but really we're talking about the safety of kids now my children are drivers one has his permit one has his license it's kind of terrifying watching them try to pull out onto Iris so now we come into the driving phase of things and it's kind of scary so I'd love to

[36:00] see something happen in time to actually protect my family and the families that are coming up uh soon uh I spend about 20% of my time biking 80% riding I'm in favor of the three turn lane or the turn lane and the bikes but I'm almost more on the side of cars this time of like I want it to slow down so I can get out of my neighborhood safely and so my kids can as well uh obviously I'd love it to be bike safety as well um but I just wanted to you know encourage you to keep that in mind because I know it's the vision of Boulder to stop people from getting hurt um but it's not going to stop if we don't slow down the traffic there so thank you thank you Marcus appreciate your comments next up we have Rob smoke then Laura Kaplan and then Claudia theme good evening my name is Rob smoke I I live in Boulder I've been here most of the time since 1986 when I was here for the uh hearing well it wasn't really a hearing it was just a public comment

[37:02] and so forth about a possible ceasefire in um Palestine um I Heard a passionate responses saying that violates the principle of principles of good governance I heard that from Mr Wallock and Matt Benjamin I'm sure you know controvert that with me if you disagree but that's what I heard that you know the principles of good governance really require focus on local issues most of what's on the agenda tonight and I just um watched uh over the last couple days U information provided by the UN Council on human rights um saying that it's uh essentially an established fact that there is genocide occurring in Gaza and um also an aid worker from UNICEF uh

[38:02] talked about Aid workers not being admitted to Northern Gaza right now and of course all Western media is blockaded in addition to the aid that desperately is needed there and I would just say that all the principles of good governance are effectively um counterfeited when that kind of stuff is happening in the world and we say oh it's not really it's not really us it's not really we're not responsible it's not our business and so forth I just think that's dead wrong I think that's miserable government governance you know people have come here asking for representation on a on a different kind of different kind of scale and they're not getting time is up but you're welcome to email us the rest of your comments thank you I finished thank you thank you for giving me the time next up we've got Laura Kaplan Claudia theme and

[39:00] Michelle Rodriguez good evening Council uh Laura Kaplan here to give an update on the airport neighborhood campaign in my personal capacity um as you're all aware our two petitions were certified sufficient by our lovely city clerk Miss Johnson um on June 12th and as I understand it you have some options for next steps that are coming up for you as a council in August and one of of those options is to propose amendments to our petitions um and I was asked uh would our campaign consider working with you on amendments and the answer to that is of course yes we'd be interested in anything that you'd want to propose that is consistent with the intent of our two petitions if you can help us make it better we're all for it um I also wanted to report back to you about the get theel out webinar that we hosted and a big thank you to council member wallik who was able to attend some of the rest of requested the recording so we will get that recording out to all of you

[40:00] along with the transcript um I do hope that you'll be able to watch the video and or read the transcript and think pretty seriously about the implications for us here in Boulder about the experience that they had in Santa Clara County at Reed Hillview airport and the study that they conducted and what it means for us in terms of how the city protects Public Health especially for children there's more to talk about here than we can cover in just a couple minutes but I wanted to just brief briefly say you know Reed Hillview airport and the Santa clar County Commissioners have really blazed a trail in how to get off of the Leed aviation fuel and transition to the unlet and they have not suffered litigation they have not been fined by the FAA for doing that um another point that was made during the webinar by Dr L fear one of the researchers is that every jurisdiction should not have to do their own study on this there have been multiple studies the findings are consistent let it a ation fuel is a hazard to human health especially for

[41:00] children and the EPA concurred with that and issued an endangerment finding which they did not do lightly um so our campaign thank you Laur I'll email you yeah please thank you appreciate your time next up is Claudia theme and then Michelle Rodriguez and then we will move over to our virtual participants um Francis Collins will be the first one there okay good evening members of council my name is Claudia Hansen theme I wear a lot of hats in the boulder Community I'm speaking tonight for myself as a North Boulder parent and Mobility advocate so like several of the previous speakers I wanted to share a few thoughts on the iris Avenue transportation improvements that you're going to be discussing next week I travel a lot both along and across the iris Corridor by car by Bike by bus and when I'm more disciplined about running by foot um I also have kids who are becoming more independently mobile and I want them and their peers to have a abundant safe options for moving around their city so right now the narrow

[42:02] sidewalks and bike Lanes on Iris make it a hostile environment for anyone who's not in a car and the four-lane design there generates high speeds that make those problems worse it's also a barrier between neighborhoods that make amenities in gathering places like the ball fields or Rec Center multiple schools and Community Gardens feel harder to reach than they actually are I fully support three-lane configuration as an approach that increases safety for vulnerable Road users and reduces the barriers to Crossing and it's a goal that can be accomplished in our lifetimes and as a regular driver in this Corridor I think that these goals are absolutely worth a few seconds of my time I also want to say that I appreciate the work that City staff has done to research this best practice of three lanes with that Center turn lane especially given how it's being received in our community this is a big lift um and I hope it does

[43:00] get easier as we get some proof points for these Concepts it's not B it's not easy excuse me to start big projects like the core arterial Network and these first steps are always the hardest but we are creating pieces of a network that will make a real difference in how the Next Generation navigates this city and I think it's important that we keep moving thank you thank you Claudia appreciate your comments um we've got Michelle Rodriguez as next is Michelle around I haven't seen her okay um let's move to our virtual speakers then uh first up will be Francis Collins then Lewis Emmon and then Adrien fine hi hello hello can you hear me yes okay hi um my name is Francis Collins and I'm a member of the tennis Association and the tennis community in Boulder um and I

[44:02] would like to or I thank you for the opportunity to talk today um about the boulder tennis situation um that is unfolding here um while tennis is experiencing a Resurgence n Nationwide Boulder is witnessing a dramatic shrinkage in public Ava publicly available tennis courts despite being one of the most despite being one of the top three most active tennis Metro areas in the country Boulders added a single new public tennis court in over 30 years this is unacceptable given our growing population and increasing demand for recreational spaces one of the most pressing issues is the complete lack of publicly accessible indoor courts as well as outdoor courts um this winter will be the first in decades without any indoor courts available to the public leaving seniors families everybody myself included um with no place to play

[45:01] the current plan to add a net of three new Courts at for new Courts at East B direct Center in the next four years is insufficient and fails to address the immediate and long-term needs of our community um the reasons for this decline are many first there's a lack of new courts uh Boulder parks and wreck claims that our ratio of public courts to population size is comparable to similar CI I however this argument is based on a flawed National formula it fails to consider the high demand for tennis in Boulder compared to tennis neutral States the result of this false equivalency that justifies inaction the boulder tennis Association has for you thank you Francis your time is up but um please email us the rest of your comments because we will read them if you send them to us next up is Lewis amonson and then Adrienne fine and ly seagull hello can you guys hear me yes hello

[46:02] everybody thank you for having me thank you guys for listening to all of the citizens out here um I uh am also here to advocate for my name is Lewis aminon sorry um I'm a boulder native uh I grew up uh here and grew up playing tennis uh I'm here to Advocate um as with Francis for uh Boulder tennis um she said it pretty well and eloquently uh we're we're kind of in a dire situation where we are kind of TW we're by the end of the year we'll have 29 fural courts with zero indoor facilities um I want to touch on a few things that maybe she didn't touch you know Boulder is a place that you know as far as I've always known it is a place that really Prides itself on its diversity its inclusion um and I think you know we're all feeling this um potential for tennis to um go the route of the the kind of

[47:00] the Country Club Way and that's not how I experienced it growing up here that's not how I want my kids to experience tennis um so I wanted to just implore you guys to keep in mind that by not adding new courts by not considering new public facilities that some of our private citizens have offered to um fully fund we are in danger of making tennis an elitist um Country Club sport that we don't want to see that happen so um so yeah I would I would just implore you guys to please uh take a second look again we've had some of our private citizens step up to privately fund a a tennis facility here to just be met with um you know a lot of a lot of opposition so I would empore you you guys to please look at than appreciate your time and your um taking time to give us some

[48:01] comments tonight next up we've got Adrienne fine ly seagull and then Sarah Cunningham hi city council my name is Adrien fine I live in North folder and I drive bike and walk Iris regularly thank you for studying this issue uh a recent opinion on a camera wrote that bikes don't need to be on Iris Avenue and I completely agree but neither to cars or commercial vehicles or pedestrians or emergency vehicles none of them need to be on Iris Avenue it's tongue and cheek but the point is that you are studying the allocation of a scarce public resource and that's a good thing for the future of our community the great staff report that you'll uh study uh in about a week shows that sharing the road with bicyclists and pedestrians can greatly improve their Mobility while improving road safety for all users option b is simple and effective and is attainable at a reasonable cost and timeline it provides the most flexibility for emergency services it also reduces complexity and conflict points for north south Travelers although iris is an eastwest Corridor I encourage you to

[49:01] think of it as a north south Divide bike and ped volumes are 10x north south compared to East West and that should influence the design and your study I don't think options C and D should be studied further they are magnitude more complex expensive destructive and time intensive you can either save motorist times or you can have them drive at safe speeds for other Road users but not both two questions I'd encourage you to sharpen the pencil on what are the T travel time improvements for pedestrians and cyclists under the various scenarios and second how do the different scenarios compare for non-s signalized driveways and residential erress and entry thank you for your time thank you so much we appreciate your comments next up ly seagull Sarah Cunningham and then Alex Abbott mayor proam I do not see Lynn online but I do have some other names Lynn if you are here please let me know by using the raised hand function or reaching out to me in the Q&A box thank you so much um in the meantime let's move on to Sarah

[50:03] Cunningham do have one Sarah online uh without a last name Sarah would you mind raising your hand to confirm that it is you fabulous hi can you hear me yes great um thank you so much for taking the time um my name is Sarah and I'm a long-term resident of Boulder I'm a single mother and um a founder of yours and um which is an app that I'm helping to create um affordable housing Solutions with um I'm here tonight because um I live in holiday and my community is struggling I've lived in North Boulder I've lived in Boulder for over 20 years I've lived in North Boulder for now about 10 years um the rising cost of living and

[51:01] housing um to me has become more than just a financial burden it feels like it's becoming a safety issue at this point um recently we've seen an increasing crime in my neighborhood um driveby shootings um murders guns being drawn on children um cars being stolen in the middle of the day um I have have three children um two are in college one's in high school my children are harassed on their way to the bus stop um I need the bus as a resource for transportation um I have one car within my family of four and I'm afraid if they cannot use the bus that it could start to affect their School attendance um this is an isolated incident this is something that's just common now in my neighborhood um and a direct result of

[52:02] this kind of growing economic strain I think that many of us are facing um I'd like to ask city council to continue to seek new resolutions new solutions that address the root causes of these problems I feel you know as a long-term resident and um thank you Sarah your time is up but I encourage you to email us any additional comments and we will read them thank you so much for coming to speak with us tonight um do we have Lynn online yet we do not have Lynn online yet okay then Alex abot you are next I also do not see Alex online but I do have some other names Alex if you are here please let me know by using the raise hand function or reaching out to me in the Q&A box I'm not getting any raised hands at this

[53:00] time all right um then open comment is now closed uh thank you so much to everybody who took time to came out to come out in person tonight as well as everybody who joined us online we really appreciate hearing from you um I want to give our oh well I was I was gonna go to staff first so yeah if that's okay and yeah um the uh city manager or city attorney's office off is there anything that you would like to um respond to thanks so much mayor proem and before Gil leaves us I just wanted to thank him for his comments so nice to see a young person coming uh and and being part of Civic comment so thank you for your comments I'm sure Council was going to do it but I wanted to jump in before he left the door thank you so much thank you so much yeah I wanted to call me on that hey Gil um you were about the age that I was when I started to learn to fly yet you showed

[54:01] up tonight uh far more eloquent and mature and brave than I ever was at that age so I just wanted to thank you for taking the time on your summer break uh to be here with us on a Thursday night so thank you thank you um thanks again uh with regard to some of the comments today uh I appreciate those that um came out and actually I appreciate all the comments as always um for those that took the time to share their thoughts with councel and with staff um I wanted to remind folks those that came out and talked about um Iris we will be speaking about that at our next uh study session on June 27th um there are many who spoke about the airport as well we will be speaking to council and the community on July 25th um we heard from those speaking about um the current situation about tennis courts and we understand that there has been a lot of frustration in community about that I want to say we appreciate those speaking about that um I know that Parks and Recreation has

[55:00] been moving towards the final stages of the court system plan and also preparing for the court development at East Boulder Community Park in 2025 they've also been working hard to explore the possibility of temporary indoor courts through other Partnerships and their plan is to come back to council to report when there is more to share so stay tuned on that in the future I wanted to also note that Contin uh that we heard a comment about Gregory Creek flood project that is on the consent agenda today um I know you've heard from staff about that as well I just wanted to continue to lift up that staff continues to work and will continue to com to converse with Community about that project as that moves forward regarding the Arts budget I'll say um as we have in the past staff also believes in the vibrancy of the Arts we support the Arts and we look forward to having a more fome discussion with Council when we forward our budget to you in August we are still in the midst of reviewing and crafting the 2025

[56:00] budget as no decisions have been made and so we will be talking and sharing about that recommendation at at an appropriate time in the future and finally just to the last comment about um crime stats I wanted to remind Council we'd heard previously um from our interim Chief about um crime data that's happening across the city I know that they are in the midst of looking at uh certainly they always look at what's happening um across the city but they had been looking specifically at um crime stats in North Boulder uh and had been talking about shifting priorities in their stratified policing model as it pertains to data and will likely um come back and give Council an update likely written as they finish that um analysis so just wanted to lift that up thank you thank you and Erin anything from the city attorney's office okay great and then I will turn to uh my colleagues does anybody have any questions or comments about anything we heard yep I see Mark uh just just one question I uh I

[57:03] don't know if Joe Tedd is here um he is yep Joe um come on [Music] down Joe here yeah sorry to put you on the hot seat so early in the meeting um a specific representation was made with respect to the Gregory Creek flood mitigation project in terms of its sufficiency to handle water flows uh that the claim was made that it was 2,000 cubic feet per second in 2013 versus a projected 500 um cubic feet capacity as we have designed it is is that in fact the case um yeah happy to speak to that and good evening everyone I'm Joe tauchi the director of utilities 570 cubic feet per

[58:02] second is the flow that we're designing for and that's equivalent to about a 25 uh year flood level of protection you might remember from the uh recent comprehensive flood plan that we approved we would love to get a 100-year protection all across town but the level of development that's occurred that's not feasible um to put that in perspective if if you've been watching Boulder Creek during the Spring runoff when it's peaked here in the last few weeks that's that's really close to the amount of water that is that was in Boulder Creek at its at its peak now that's Boulder Creek which is a big big drainage big Watershed large Creek Gregory Creek is a is a small drainage um two square miles and so to get that amount of water in in that small Creek is a significant Improvement in the in the designs right

[59:01] now we estimate the capacity of the creek is about 150 cubic feet per second we don't have flow gauges on Gregory Creek so we don't know exactly what it was in 2013 we believe it was a 40 to 50y year event maybe around 900 cubic feet per second so there are instances where flooding will occur and and exceed any design that we might make and um but it would still be a dramatic Improvement to the to the people along the creek and I also want to speak uh since I'm here to the emergency response um component I have I've continued to have that discussion with the community members that are here tonight it is it is something we can address and and bring our office of disaster management to the community have a a meeting with them help them get prepared for flooding situations and that is something that we've offered to do the the way that um

[60:05] that was suggested by the public commenter tonight would be really difficult for us to get approval from the the agencies that oversee this work but um continue to want to work with the community on the project thank you Joe that was a very complete answer does anybody else have any questions or comments about anything I see Taisha and then Matt oh no oh okay thank you all right thank you so much for public comment as always um somebody lifted oh I'm G to get this one off and then I'll go on to the serious one they're both serious one's quick um one of the commenters mentioned drive by shootings as some of you comes from big cities New York dcla I don't take that comment lightly um I also now have the privilege of getting emails um around or

[61:02] text messages around any kind of incidences that happen in our community and I'm just I haven't received anything around a driveby shooting in the amount of time that I've been here so that's just something I I wanted to just get some I know you mentioned that we we had the publica but I just wanted to get some specific um clarification around that because it's concerning and she mentioned that it's a pattern which means that it didn't happen once it happened more than once so again I can honor from the last presentation that there is an increase in personal crime and I think all of us commented or collectively on the need to address that um what I didn't hear were driveby shootings and so I just wanted to get some clarification on that did I miss a text message uh I don't believe you have um I I will say that I always honor and want to be candid with you all that if I don't have the information at my fingertips I don't make representations I don't know I'm happy to double check but I believe if I do not know that uh you wouldn't if I know that you would have known that and so um that is not something that I take lightly either and

[62:01] would have expect to receive notifications about that thank you and again I just asked that because the increase in personal safety was on the radar screen but the driveway was not so I just wanted to get some clarity on that and I look forward to the response next um somebody brought up juneth in the uh continued request for a ceas fire and so I thought it was an appropriate opportunity for me to come back on microphone and remind folks that I am already on record on the willingness to um both discuss International Affairs on this Council and uh to um consider a ceasefire I don't have the majority to do that what I have been doing in lie of that ability is to work on the issues that we can I directly impact here um which are issues around accountability transparency and self-determination and so again and again and again um that we you know just know that um we we may not as a collective be able to um have done the things that have been requested by

[63:00] some in our community um but the principles and the um the values um are things that um at the very least I can say for myself that I am trying very hard to instill in our in the in the processes protocols and the ways that we do business so I just want to lift that up um there were some folks that had came before and had just expressed frustration around the fact that we haven't responded to comments and so I just wanted to take that moment to um acknowledge their existence which I do think is appropriate um when people come and speak to us as we acknowledge that young man to come and speak to us so too should we um acknowledge those who come and speak to us so I just wanted to lift that up and and again someone who ran on climate and cultural resilience it is not missed on me the climate indications and implications of what is happening there um directly to here um so what happens there and and what happens around the world also happens here here and as I Look to juneth and the freedoms right um freedom is not free um and um

[64:02] I'm also again every day reminded that I live on Stolen land every single day and I have obligations and responsibilities around that and so again things that happen there or around the world also happen here um and just very mindful about that so I just wanted to again respond to those we hear you um it has not uh moved enough to to have this come back on the deet um but you it doesn't mean that we don't hear you and it doesn't mean that we're not doing things um to make our city um safer um more Equitable um reducing discrimination um and um doing what we can to co-create a world we've never even seen before thank you thank you so much for your comments tasa anyone else any comments or questions okay um missa will you please take us on to our next

[65:01] item yes ma'am and thank you mayor protim our next item on tonight's agenda is our consent agenda item which is item three and it consists of items 3 a through 3 l thank you so much does anyone have any questions or comments on the consent agenda I see Lauren okay go for it thank you I'd like to make comment on item F thank you Council colleagues for taking the time to discuss the council rules and procedure changes at our last study session and incorporating some of my suggestions although the these modifications to council procedures are modest I cannot support the restrictions on signage and how it can be held and where people can stand our Council Claims to listen to the community yet we are moving forward without any public engagement or hearing these rule changes directly

[66:02] affect how the public interacts with us but we haven't sought their input we say we want to simplify rules and cut red tape but instead we weave a web of complexity these new rules don't align with widespread Norms which make participation harder especially for newcomers we profess to Value diverse voices yet erect barriers that stifle expression the timing of these changes feels reactionary as recent issues have awakened the voices of people of color and youth in our meetings in unprecedented numbers do we really want to prioritize decorum over engaging these newly active voices we aim for smooth meetings but these rules will cause more unnecessary delays Equitable enforcement means addressing every minor infraction which sets ourselves up for failure if the

[67:00] goal was efficiency ultimately I am frustrated that instead of addressing these issues activists are asking us to engage on we find ways to avoid the conversation disruptions are one of the most powerful ways community members can bring attention to a topic their government isn't addressing like the Stonewall Uprising our history is filled with examples where protests have led to significant rights and freedoms curtailing free speech to avoid council's discomfort reveals the fragility of these rights rights that can be adjusted to suit the moment are not rights at all they are privileges subject to erosion we must protect these rights even when they are inconvenient because there will always be a next time where even the minimal Free Speech we are leaving on the table will be inconvenient to those power I fear this precedent will be used to support even more egregious

[68:01] restrictions and there until there is nothing meaningful left thank you thanks Lauren anyone else anything going once um I just wanted to say um actually also on uh item f um I just really appreciate um the the quick turnaround on creating gender neutral language there um and and also really really really appreciate the removal of identifying information and requiring that to be there I think that is um a I think it can enable people to speak a little bit more freely um not feeling like they uh may be at risk of um of of negative consequences so um appreciate that and I think it just really falls on us to make sure that we're um upholding um and new rules existing rules all of our rules equally um and I hope that we can all help with that as we move forward um and then I just wanted to say there is so much work on this consent agenda uh things that

[69:01] have gone um into the uh thank you to staff for the Gregory uh Canyon work for the north Flo Hills habitat Conservation Area um the uh Boulder Revis code changes to keep up with all these ordinance ordinances we've been passing um the work to verify signatures and get that through um and then our development review changes this was I can't remember seeing a a consent agenda quite packed and I just wanted to thank staff for all of the hard work that's gone into this so um thank you everyone anyone else okay terara yes I wanted to thank staff for f f because I feel like it was a very good compromise I really understand why the waving was not possible I believe strongly in freedom of speech uh so but I think that's a size sign that we decided on does not stop us from having freedom speech people still are able to scream at us yell at us do what they want to do and hold up signs so and

[70:02] flags as long as they're not distracting so I want to thank you especially Erin for really putting a lot of time into this and finding a happy way for me anyway all right um missa will you please take us through the ro oh sorry oh yeah thank you Matt thanks for the reminder um okay would someone like to make a motion I teed that up for myself so um I'd like to make a motion to pass the consent agenda second all right we got a motion in a second um any additional discussion okay now we're ready for our vote thank you thank you Matt for that and thank you mayor Pro Tim we'll start the vote on the consent agenda items 3 a through 3 l with council member shuart yes mayor Pro Tim spear yes yes council member wall yes Wier yes

[71:03] Adams no Benjamin yes Furs Yes except for no on item F thank you mayam an Marquis yes the consent agenda items a through L are hereby approve a so I just learned that I can um just say yes and then no to the one thing so can I get a redo or no has your ship sailed we can correct the record yes I would like to correct the record so that's a yes but a no on that other one a yes on on all items except item 3F yes ma'am all right thank you thank you thank you all right so the

[72:01] record the record has been duly corrected so the consent agenda again items 3 a through 3 l are hereby approved except for the noted Nays from Furs and Adams on item 3F thank you so much uh let's move on would you please take us through our first callup item yes yes ma'am our cups are item number four on tonight's agenda item 4A is the concept plan review and comment for a Redevelopment proposal of 2555 30th Street The Proposal includes demolition of the existing car dealership and Redevelopment of the site with residential uses the new development process I'm sorry the new development proposes approximately 150 units including Studio one and two and three bedroom units totaling ranging from

[73:02] Studio units to three-bedroom units for a total of 118,119 square ft parking will be located on site and below grade reviewed under case number L 20248 thank you so much does anyone have a quick question for clarification on this item good does uh please raise your hand if you would like to call this item up for discussion all right I just I just think that when you have a project of that size uh taking a look at it is a useful thing to do all right um I think I saw one hand did I miss any when you say that size um Mark W I'm just curious what the trigger threshold for where you are is as I'm learning well I would certainly say if you get over 100,000 square fet and uh

[74:01] and you get to 150 units uh that's a uh size of project that interests me as a member of council thank you all right it looks like we will not be calling this one up um would you please move us on to our next item yes sorry can I make a comment on this item yes please do um I would just say that um I would strongly support planning board's comments particularly there was one of um breaking down kind of the mass and scale against the p in The Pedestrian realm um particularly related to the very flat facades um and I would like to see the applicant address that if possible thank you well thank you I appreciate it planning board's comments on this too so thank you to planning board if you're listening yes yeah Tina so when when you

[75:03] express that hope that this is incorporated into the construction part or the realization of the project and this is a process question as a newer council person does that go into the record as direction or is it just um or is it just a it's just that hope that the person who builds the project takes it into consideration and it looks like br has stepped up to answer that question for you great thanks uh oh very hot Mike uh Brad Mueller uh planning and development services uh but I certainly if council member Furs wants to respond first I I certainly want to defer I would say that because this is at the concept plan review stage they will have to sub resubmit for site plan review which will be another opportunity for us to assess if they have done what planning board and our body has asked them we could also call it up at that point um so that

[76:02] it there is more than just hope we can enforce it if we so desire um yeah and and so that's particularly why I tend to make comments related to concept Plan reviews yeah and I would just elaborate uh following up on that point the difference between a concept plan and then the the full application that comes in later but we do dutifully note those comments and appreciate those kind of clarifications as we go along our way so thank you very much anyone else okay thank you um I think we're ready for the next item now thank you mayor protim next we have item 4B which is the landmark alteration certificate application to construct a new two-story building construct a rear addition to the primary building building and modify an existing accessory building at 1105 Spruce Street a contributing property in the Mapleton

[77:01] Hill historic district pursuant to section 9-11-18 of the boulder Revised Code 1981 thank you does anybody have a quick question for clarification on this one would anyone like to call this up all right I don't see anybody there um we can move on to the next item thank you next we have item 4 C it is also a landmark alteration certificate application but is to demolish an existing C1 1990s accessory building construct a new one and a half story two car garage and remodel the existing house at 432 Concord Avenue a non-contributing property in the Mapleton Hill historic district pursuant to section 9-11-18 of the book V to Revise Code 1981 thank you any questions on this

[78:00] one would anyone like to call it up okay that's a no on that one too then thank you I think we can move into our public hearings now yes ma'am our public hearings are item number five on tonight's agenda 5A get my paper 5A is the second reading and consideration of a motion to adopt ordinance 8634 designating the property at 904 Mableton Avenue city of Boulder Colorado to be known as the gardier sandoo house as an individual Landmark under chapter 9-11 historic preservation BRC 1981 and setting forth related details this is reviewed under case number h223 0262 thank you so much and we'll go straight to staff on this one

[79:00] Marcy good evening Council uh Marcy Gering principal historic preservation planner in planning and development services I'll begin by going through the procedure for the quas judicial hearing first council members will note any ex parte contacts staff will then give a presentation and Council may ask questions the applicant will then give a presentation and uh followed by Council questions and then the public hearing is then open for any Community member comments after the last public comment the applicant has the opportunity to respond to anything that was said the public hearing is then closed and Council can discuss a decision a motion acquire requires an affirmative vote of at least five members to pass and motions must State findings conclusions and a recommendation finally a record of the hearing is kept by staff I'll turn it back over for exp parte contacts thank you does anybody have any expar contacts to

[80:02] note I don't see any thank you as qu as part of the Quasi judicial process the criteria for your decision this evening is found in 9116 of the boulder Revised Code and that is focused on whether the designation meets the purposes and standards in subsection 9111 and 9112 of the boulder revised code in balance with the goals and policies of the Boulder Valley comprehensive plan looking at those two code sections the first defines the purpose of the historic preservation code which is to preserve protect and enhance historically significant buildings and areas of the city reminiscent of past eras events or people and to develop and maintain appropriate settings to enhance property values stabilize neighborhoods promote tourist trade and interest and Foster knowledge of the city's living history the second part provides the types of designations Council may pass including individual landmarks on a single site containing special character

[81:00] and special historic architectural or aesthetic interest or value and then the third part is uh whether the designation is in balance with the goals and policies of the Boulder Valley comprehensive plan which sets a vision for future development and preservation in the city of Boulder and Boulder County the options in front of you this evening are to approve modify and approve or deduct deny the designation uh by ordinance if designated this property will become Boulder's 216th individual Landmark this one is a bit unique in that the property is already located in a historic district which means the owners are already eligible for uh state tax credits and exterior changes are already reviewed through our program the main difference is that the uh property will receive individual recognition and the city will provide a bronze plaque for the building this nomination comes to you from the property owners who applied for landmark designation at the end of last year and

[82:01] on May 1st the landmarks board unanimously voted to recommend designation of the property the ordinance was included on your June 6th consent agenda and that brings us to this evening's public hearing the property is located at the southeast corner of ninth and Mapleton in the Mapleton Hill historic district the house is a beautiful Edwardian vernacular uh Stone and frame building with very intricate detailing uh really on all four sides of the building the house was constructed for Frank and Isabelle Gardner starting in 1895 and took two years to finish Frank Gardner was a real tailor in Boulder who operated a grocery Bakery and later a secondhand furniture store the family of the current owners moved into the house in 1943 their grandparents purchased the house for their daughter and son-in-law uh their son-in-law James Sando was instrumental in establishing the annual Colorado Shakespeare Festival here in

[83:01] Boulder by directing the first Shakespearean performance at the University of Colorado's uh Mary Ripon theater and the Sando family have been careful stewards for the property for nearly 80 years the uh property also meets the architectural significance for its uh Edwardian vernacular style and the house was constructed by Scottish ston mations Donald Grant and Andrew Frasier uh they also constructed Armory Hall up on the hill and the First Congregational Church on Pine Street and going through the uh house also meets the criteria for its artistic Merit for the skilled masonry using Dakota sandstone and the carpentry work it's an example of The Uncommon with the upper decks and balconies and then local Stone quarried from the shinkle Quarry is uh used in its construction and then the property meets the criteria for environmental

[84:01] significance uh as the house is visually prominent right on the corner of ninth and and Mapleton and is compatible with its residential uh site and context it's a visual landmark and it the area has a high degree of Integrity as it is already located in a historic district the uh next part of your criteria is looking at the Boulder Valley comprehensive plan policies and there are a few that are relevant to this application which include uh 2.27 which talks about protecting sites with cultural or architectural value uh encouraging new designations and working to support historic amenities so they continue to contribute to the economic Vitality of the community and Foster meaning connections meaningful connections to Boulder the proposed Landmark name is the gardener Sando house recognizing the first and the longest owners and the proposed boundary follows the property lines a portion of the farmers's ditch

[85:00] easement is located at the southern edge of the property and the ordinance includes language that clarifies that the ditch company is exempt from review uh for improvements to the ditch and with that staff and the landmarks board recommend the city council adopt the ordinance and designate the property at 904 Mapleton as an individual Landmark uh thank you welcome to the owner uh an and I am happy to answer any questions you may have thank you so much for the presentation um does anybody have any questions Matt I have a question um the fact that it was built in the late 1800s um I'm just curious what took so long for a building of that age in our community to finally be designated because it seems like there aren't that many left that are of that old so I'm just sort of curious if we know what why it's taken so long well so it was it has been designated for over 40 years as part of the Mapleton Hill historic district um Mapleton Hill being the

[86:00] largest residential historic district uh in 1982 um but I think the question for the timing um might be best answered by the owners who have owned it since the 1940s which is really remarkable um I think I read a stat that property ownership in Boulder used to be um turned over every seven years and it's much shorter than that so um to meet a family who has had a property for almost 80 years is pretty remarkable any other questions at this stage all right um I think we can move on to our public hearing I think there was one person signed up is that correct I I would like to open the the public comment sorry I still do not see Lynn online um Lynn if you are here please

[87:02] let me know by using the raise hand function or reaching out to me in the Q&A box uh but it does not look like she has joined us okay um then I will close the public comment and we will move on sorry I thought somebody was about to uh make a motion what anyone like to make a motion sorry um the owner is here uh to make a presentation as part of the oh wonderful okay thank you thanks I appreciate that yeah then I would invite you up please and um present to us thank you don't really feel the need to say anything except that for our family having been there for so long um when we

[88:01] hit 40 or 80 years we said maybe it's time to recognize that uh because it just doesn't happen so much anymore so and you you asked why it had taken it so long to be designated I think nobody asked well thank you thank you so much for bringing it Forward motional yep I'm going to move that we adopt ordinance 8634 designating the property at 904 Mapleton Avenue city of Boulder Colorado to be known as The Garden of Sando house as an individual Landmark under chapter 9-11 historic preservation BRC 1981 as well as adopt the staff memorandum dated May 2 2024 as the findings and conclusions of council and setting forth related

[89:01] details second all right thank you and I believe this one's a roll call vote that is correct ma'am thank you all right does anyone have any comments before okay we're ready then thank you all right we'll start the roll call vote for ordinance 8634 with mayor Pro Tim spear yes council member wallet yes Wier yes Adams yes Benjamin yes fuls thank you and yes Marquis yes and shuart yes ordinance 8634 is hereby adopted unanimously thank you so much and thank you again for bringing this property forward uh okay let's move on to our next item

[90:03] then our next item is the to Extended recruitment board and commission's appointments thank you so much uh Council as you'll recall in March we uh met to fill some vacancies in our 2024 recruitment process for boards and commissions we had six boards that and commissions that were um left outstanding and had some vacancies and today we're hoping to fill those and so with that I pass it over to our lovely city clerk Miss Elicia Johnson thank you Nua for that gracious introduction and good evening Council Elicia Johnson serving you and the city as your city clerk and Records manager as noted by our city manager at your March 14th meeting for the 2024 annual recruitment appointments you did direct staff to extend the 2024 boards and commissions recruitment period for five additional weeks for the following boards or

[91:02] commissions we had the beverage licensing Authority the Boulder Junction access district for the parking commission Boulder Junction access district for the travel demand management commission the Cannabis licensing and Advisory Board the design Advisory board and the downtown management Commission Now for this extended recruitment please note that no applications were received for either bad commissions now before we begin the process of the nominating and appointing boards and commission candidates to fill our V vacancies I'm going to provide an outline of our processes for this item there will be two steps first I will present a slide as you see on your screens of the number of seats that were vacant the number of applic applicants received and along with the number of eligible candidates then second I will ask the mayor protim to open our public hearing

[92:01] close it when complete and turn the discussion back to me to provide council with guidance on how this nomination and appointment process will proceed at this point I will now turn it over to the mayor protim to open and close the public hearing thank you so much um I will open the public hearing and we have one speaker has she come online Lynn has not yet come online okay thank you Ms uh then with no more speakers I will close the public hearing uh Miss Elisha would you please move us through the nomination process thank you ma'am now I will now review the formal candidate nomination process please be reminded that this procedure is also outlined in our boa Revised Code and in your agenda packet materials we will proceed through dominations one board at a time in alphabetical order by board title council members will make nominations to fill vacancies one seat

[93:01] at a time once nominations for the seats have been made by council members council is welcome to discuss with each other before taking final action if only one person is nominated for a seat that appointment will stand if there are no objections if more than one person is nominated for the same seat we have a specific process for narrowing the C down to one finalist a vote of support will be held for each individual nominated now candidates must receive a minimum of five votes to be declared the finalist for a vacant seat if the first round of voting does not produce a clear winner the candidate with the fewest votes will drop from the nominee list and the vote will be conducted again this continues until a single nominee Remains the order of nominees will be called either alphabetically or reverse alphabetically by the last name of the nominees depending upon a flip of my coin from that point on I will alternate

[94:03] the order for all future nominees voted votes during the meeting where more than one candidate has been nominated if a person is not selected for the first seat they are nominated for they can be nominated for one of the other available seats on that board or commission or for another board or commission seat that they appli to this processes follow for each board or commission and once Council has determined a single appointed candidate for each seat I will need a motion to approve the appointments as elected and this item will conclude for the evening and just for council's awareness I am accompanied by John Morris our elections administrator and he will be keeping track of the nominations and the appointments mayor protim I turn the meeting back to you and John and I are here to support this process as it continues thank you so much um let's uh do we have slides for each of the boards yes we do all right

[95:01] let's move to our first one then for beverage licensing Authority um do we have any nominations for beverage licensing Authority or one of the seats terara I nominate Brendan Hagerty I think we'll do a great job thank you and which seat paron me which which which seat the five five okay great thank you um would you like to speak to your nomination okay um does anyone object to this nomination okay I think that one is done let's move to the next board all right do we have a nomination for this board cannabis licensing Advisory Board yes Lauren I would like to nominate Del kryer to the to seat six the three-year term um they seemed like a great

[96:00] applicant SE seven I think oh sorry that's different from what is in our packet oh yes thank you John is it seat six or seat seven and what would be the term in the packet it says both seat and six are open but I know that cannabis licensing board has different requirements for different seats so I am guessing that they are only able to fill seat seven that's correct okay then I revise and I would like to nominate them for seat seven trator here do we get that okay um so one distinction for seat six and seven seat six requires the applicant to be a marijuana or him business owner or representative and Dell's not eligible for that but he is for C7 great thank you for clarifying um Lauren do you have any other comments no okay uh does

[97:02] anybody object to this nomination okay we can move on to the next one then all right um we've got design Advisory Board and um does anybody have any nominations for this one Lauren um as a previous member of the design Advisory Board I was really excited to see so many great applicants we've had um a limited number of applicants in the past and it was there were just so many good people to choose from so I hope even if you aren't selected tonight please reapply um boards and commissions appointments will be open again soon enough and um if I could appoint more of you I would I would like to nominate Harriet Ingam um she is an engineer in Mass

[98:03] Timber and I really appreciated both that um specialty and her focus and sustainability and work with kids in the community thanks thank you Lauren does anybody else have anyone else they would like to nominate uh um let me um first ask does uh anybody have any objections to Harriet inam all right Ryan would you like to comment I I support um Harriet but I also just wanted to acknowledge what a great um uh cohort of applicants and and Chester Harvey who applied for planning board just has impeccable credentials and um I hope we get Chester hope we get you on something soon thanks and Tara yes I support um Harriet but I also want to say that we got so many great candidates it was very difficult to

[99:02] decide and Not only would I ask that you apply again for design Advisory board but many of you actually should apply for other boards as well because you have so many talents and um I'm hoping that that happens as Lauren said at sooner than you think so I agree Chester don't give up on us all right thank you then I think um we will move forward then with Harriet Ingam since there were no objections and I think there's one more if I haven't lost count all right then we've got downtown management commission um would anyone like to make a nomination here in terara I would like to nominate Eric adal for the five four number four seat for the 5-year term okay thank you um anybody have any other nominations for seat number four does anyone have any objections to

[100:00] Erica do filling that seat all right we've got that seat filled um does anybody have a nomination for seat number three Lauren I'd like to nominate Andy Nathan for seat number three to the 4year term does anybody have any objections all right um thank you so much yes please terara I just want to thank um then I want to thank you both I don't know if you're listening tonight we often have trouble finding people for the downtown management commission and I'm very excited you both have so much experience and I'm really looking forward to a great commission thank you and just thank you to everybody who applied for these boards um I would invite a motion to approve the 20 24 boards and commissions extended recruitment appointments unless we need a recap first we good that is at

[101:01] the will of councel if you'd like a recap we can give it since it was so a small number I think John's actually documentated well so a motion would be welcome okay thank you Matt I make a motion to approve the uh candidates for boards and commissions as mentioned in this meeting second okay uh would you like to speak to your motion uh no I just it's good to finally see some crops of candidates really uh that come in especially for dab um and uh we we'll get the bejad one of these days um we we'll crack that nut I suppose but anyway it's good to fill this up and the they'll be here soon enough for the next crop thank you Lauren yes and I'm guessing that some of our increase in applications and wonderful candidates has to do with staff and the Outreach and engagement so thank you so much for that we really appreciate

[102:00] it thank you so much yeah thank you and um Lauren I just want to thank you and Tara too for all your work on the boards and commissions committee as well all right I think we're ready for our vote all right thank you everyone for that appreciation we are here to support and glad for the results so we'll start the vote for the extended recruitment board and commissions appointments with council member Walling yes Wier yes Adams yes Benjamin yes Furs yes Marquis yes Shu hard yes and mayor protim spear yes thank you all and the 2024 extended recruitment boards and commission appointments are hereby approved as noted unanimously thank you so much uh we are

[103:00] ready for our next item all right and again thank you all for your support we have next are items number six on the agenda 6A is the followup discussion with Council on ballot measures and this is noted under our Matters from the city manager thanks so much and as your recall we had a study session on May 9th to discuss this and to present this item we will uh head to our Deputy City attorney Aaron po thank you good evening mayor proem and members of council we have three potential ballot items for Council discussion and Direction tonight the presentation is structured to have a break for discussion and questions at the end of each of the three sections right next slide please this is our ballot item schedule this year tonight's items are brought forward on recommendations from the charter review subcommittee the board

[104:00] and commission subcommittee and from Council Direction at the study session on May 9th from Council Direction tonight staff will draft ballot language and ordinances ordinances will be introduced on first reading August 1st second reading in public hearing on August 15th and if needed a third reading or continued second reading on September 5th next slide please all right so to get to our discussion items the first one is Council of pay which has been brought forward by the charter review subcommittee this proposal would amend Charter section 7 to increase Council pay and remove and move to an annual Ami calculation to reflect the increased quantity and complexity of council work the second item are executive sessions brought for forward by the charter review subcommittee this proposal would amend Charter section 9 and add a new Charter section 22A for executive

[105:02] sessions as Allowed by state law for reasons such as receiving legal advice and discussing negotiation strategy and the third item is changes to Charter section 130 concerning advisory boards and commissions brought forward by the board and commission subcommittee this proposal would amend Charter section 130 to allow Council to vary the terms eligibility and meeting schedule for boards that do not have enabling Charter sections next slide please all right so our first item is Council pay the charter committee has proposed increasing Council compensation to reflect the increased amount and complexity of council work using an Ami based approach the current stien is $244 per meeting for 52 meeting meetings which approximately is $1,695 and it is increased annually based on the Consumer Price Index Fort

[106:02] Collins voters approved an Ami system in 2022 under that system the mayores 75% of the Ami the mayor protm 60% and other council members 50% for the Boulder County Metropolitan statistical area in 2024 this equates to 76 $6,650 for the mayor $ 61,2 for the mayor Pro 10 and $51,100 for other council members and I will pause here and on this slide are questions presented from mayor protm spear thank you so much um so what I was hoping with these discussions is that we would just kind of move forward with them independently one at a time um and then once we get through all of these have a little bit of time just to talk through um the the sort of comprehensive package um of all these ballot measures so um I think we'll just start with this

[107:01] one uh do folks have any clarifying questions and then we're going to move into a series of yes Nos and then get to kind of the heart of the discussion around amounts any questions I've got a couple but going to give others a chance first but if no one else is um then I I have uh one one question um and it's really around sort of thinking about what this may mean particularly for um lower income folks that there's a risk of um people kind of getting kicked over the benefits Cliff um and I'm just wondering if we've had any discussions with people um for whom this might apply um to really just think about what is the increase that would sort of offset um in any any issues with um people getting um more than their benefits would allow them to get I am not aware of any

[108:01] engagement that's been done on this issue okay thank you any other clarifying questions okay we'll start with the oh yeah Mark go ahead question I have a comment to make but I can do it yeah I have a comment to make but I can do it later I can do it now what whatever your preferen um I would say maybe let's wait and get through um some of the initial questions first um and then what what I'm expecting is that we'll have a little bit um the discussion point will be when we're talking about percentages or amounts um uh okay so first question then um just a show of hands if you still want to move forward with a ballot measure related to council pay this year say that again um just if you still want to move forward with a ballot measure related to council pay this year okay um show of for folks who think that tying it to a% of the area median income for a one person household is the right

[109:03] approach do we have okay looks like we got a majority there um okay then we will move on to the next one uh should there be a difference between council members mayor proem and the mayor um and again just kind of here looking for just a quick quick read on this so and and it doesn't have to be that there's a difference between all three if you think any anywhere in there that there should be a difference then this would be the point to raise your hand okay thank you and then I think that helps just narrow the scope a little bit of what we're talking about um so this this I expect we will need a little bit of time to discuss here um what we're looking at is what are the percentages of Ami to consider putting on the ballot um and also thinking about if there's any additional information that we may need to make this decision um in August so we're trying to give staff some uh Direction on what the percentages are that we'll be looking to include in the ballot so I will open it up for comments yes

[110:02] Matt and this just comments per this question here about any differences on the Ami yeah the one that really sticks out for me is um I I don't think we need to do the difference between mayor proem I think we just have the standard council at 50% and the mayor at 75% um I think that's a little cleaner it's a little more straightforward um um and and I think that's kind of also indicative of you know we've elected our mayor and they are representing Us in such a fuller capacity that that that level of compensation makes sense where it is so I would just eliminate the mayor proem and then keep things where they are for everybody else Mark and Tina then Tara then Lauren and Taisha sorry I keep looking to my left cuz I got a kink in my neck okay yeah I'm going to be an outlier on this issue uh there are two ways to improve the quality of the experience for those who serve on the Boulder City Council one is to entice

[111:01] service through money the other is to improve the conditions under which we work we took the first step in dealing with the conditions and actually providing ourselves a true summer recess but we can do more and I hope we will I suggest that the key factors inhibiting more people from running are the voluminous weekly packets the number of meetings and our ability to enforce discipline on ourselves to control the length of meetings in 5 years on Council I do not believe there have been more than a couple of occasions if that where we shut down a lengthy meeting and came back later to finish up so we continue 30 10:45 00 at night accompanied by drooping heads and virtually incoherent speeches service on this Council has always been an act of Public Service we're now on the path to abandoning this ideal to create a Cadre of Quasi professional politicians and in a

[112:00] fiscally constrained environment where we cannot perform core Services adequately and as an example I refer you to this week's information memo on our snow and ice response program where we lack the funds to properly ramp up those Services we want to go to the community and ask for just short of half a million dollars to put in the in the pockets of council members raising compensation by approximately 400% might I suggest that the Optics on this are rather poor I would be much more interested in a committee of staff and appointed council members tasked with proposing changes that will return service on this Council to its original intent a part-time Act of service to the community that is open to everyone and can be performed by anyone accordingly I will not be supporting this initiative thank you thank you Mark um and then we've got Tina okay thank you Mark and um for

[113:01] bringing up a bunch of points which I agree with I am going to be supporting an increase of um Council pay but not the amount that's being proposed at 50% of Ami um I was really swayed by the editorial written by Gary Garrison um in October of in the fall during the campaign um that tried to strike a balance be between the nature of public service and the um and the fact that we do spend a lot of time and it should be recognized in values at a in a quantity greater than the 12 six that were currently being paid um his suggestion was to use the livable wage which is um which he pulled from the MIT living wage calculator ours is currently at $26 an hour and I also um I want to also recognize that I don't believe that this is a 20-hour week job job I also believe that we all have different experiences and I want to respect and honor that um and I think it's important that we're

[114:00] all going to be approaching this differently however at $51,000 I feel that the expectation is then that I'm working this as a part-time job 20 hours a week that I should almost be clock clocking in for that and that's not really what I signed up for it now that is my impression um that's my experience and it doesn't you know and and so that's kind of where I am so I'm looking for something that lands us more um I would also consider 25% of the Ami which I think would get us more in the 25 30,000 range and then uh concurring with uh Council council member Benjamin I also would like to recognize the mayor separately and then all the other the other eight of us are the more or less the same although recognizing all the good work Nicole is doing U council member Nicole so that's not really just want to make sure you don't take that personally so um it's important to say that so that's uh where I am so whether it's a whether it's I

[115:00] mean 10 hours is a little light but um I think there are different ways of getting there also the leap from 12,600 to 51,000 seems pretty big for me so we could always pass a second initiative later and finally I just want to point out that we already do get health benefits uh which I think is is great and I appreciate that benefit that's been extended to us and that includes a good good health program and a dental program as well um and a free a free Recreation pass and and free parking when we're here it's amazing so um so that's where I am may I ask just one um clarifying question there uh so if we had something like um 25% for uh council member mayor protm what what would you propose as the difference there for mayor that's a great question I'd love to discuss it but maybe 35% thank you Tara um first I want to say that I definitely support increasing our pay um

[116:03] because $122,000 is not enough for what we do however um another perspective about why first of all I don't think as a sale my field is sales and marketing and I don't know in that we could sell a four times increase and and get it and for me the most important thing is that we see a raise and if we whenever you know you're trying to decide how how much to sell something for let's say in my job I have to say what do I think I can get but also I want to the most I can get but I want to get the sale so when I say that I don't think we're going to get the sale at 48,000 I just really don't so I'm thinking we should come in at 25% of Ami or living wage which is a good good suggestion thank you Gary and Tina um but I will say that even at four times the pay I'm not going to give up a business that I've worked 40 years

[117:00] to incre like my business took four decades to grow and if I take the chance and just get my $48,000 and then put all that time into it an you know go to all the meetings answer every single email my business is going to fall apart I know it will because I'm barely holding on now never mind you know making more and more time and I don't think a lot of people personally are going to want to who have small businesses or let's say you know hard jobs want to like take a chance and take four years off and lose their business you know what I mean so right now I can kind of handle it but I think dou four times and having to speak to um constituents who will ask for a lot more of our time I don't think that I would be able to say yes I want to be on Council and then just take four years off which is hard to do so I think we

[118:00] should continue to reduce the workload and um with a constrainted budget might I I agree that it's going to be really hard to sell that so that's my thinking right now and I realize that there's a lot of people who can't afford of course to do this as a part-time job so that's why I'm suggesting doubling it or tripling it but certainly not 48,000 so I'm going to go with 25ish per Ami thank you uh Lauren then Taisha and then Ryan thanks I think this is a really important issue because in a capitalist Society pay significantly impacts who can participate um in being on Council currently we are all Property Owners oh we are mostly Property Owners thank you for that correction yeah and um we mostly work jobs that make above

[119:01] average pay in our community or we are unemploy or we are not employed I don't want to make Council a full-time job but I also want to make it so that a barista who is a renter in our community can imagine running for and being on Council without losing their ability to make ends meet financially I think the difference between the pay for the mayor and Council should be smaller um I agree with kind of the 10% that Tina mentioned to encourage the mayor not to concentrate power and to spread um duties equitably to council members so that we have a more diverse representation for our community um I also just wanted to note that while we do receive receive health benefits from the city we have to opt into them and they do come out of our pay so they're not

[120:00] [Laughter] free and if you opt into all of the benefits I believe you can end up owing the city money so um in terms of how much I think the appropriate percentage of pay is 50% I think is um High 25% feels low to me so I somewhere in the middle feels like a good option I think I would probably support 40% Ami for council members and 50% for the mayor thank you thank you Lauren and taesa okay so um where did I write this down at let's see um I agree with uh

[121:01] obviously Council pay oh wait where did I write it down oh darn I hate when I write something down and I can't find the note oh there it is um so some of you who are are uh received my newsletter got um this last Edition had how many hours so I track my hours hourly by category so I'm happy to share that information with anybody who would be interested in having it um what uh some Trend trends that uh I think um support Council pay is unfortunately um the majority of the time is actually spent during the day at meetings council meeting evenings are not um you know between orientations the different assigned um for example I had 00 to 5: today um and so again I just want to acknowledge that um this is a real part-time job I actually do track my time and it is more than 20 hours every week um and in addition to that and more importantly um as a uh

[122:03] person who has their own Consulting business it took a hit last year during campaign season it's taking a hit now um that's the reality of the situation um I am sacrificing to be here my you know again if anybody looks at my taxes it was like yay yay no and that's just the reality of the situation to your point of we will never get a barista here if we keep at it as we are I also again want to lift up that I am the third African-American to serve on this Council ever I also want to lift up that if we did a socio economic analysis of those who have served I almost would guar I would I would bet my life that the majority are well Above This wherever the Ami wherever the high rates of Ami are or you know that's where they are so I and I just want to um lift up that um the fact that the majority of our um leadership on Council

[123:00] previously and again um we can get the even just the information Zip Code of where we live where they live to get an idea of how much they make or how much they have um I would argue many are not on the eastern part of our um part of our city and so again I advocate strongly for Council pay because this is a job um and it does matter um I Look to our County Commissioners and seeing how pay allows for a a broader representation I don't think this is a full-time job um and as far as I am flexible to the 50% I do hear you Tara on what are people's appetite um it's not necessarily what is um fair that wins I would say the majority of the time but what people have the are willing to agree upon and so although I do think we are worthy of 50% based on the evidence that I have not beliefs but evidence um however I do also agree that the appetite and where we are fiscally or rather um the efforts to have more

[124:02] transparency in our fysical health across the aggregate of our organization I'd be hesitant to put uh together the five um but I would be willing to 40% or somewhere in there I do think 25 is too low um and so much so again as far the effective data I don't want to jump the the thing here but um um I'm still I'm willing to take it for the team until 2026 because I don't want any Optics of a conflict of interest thank you thank you Tesa and Ryan I joined council member wallik in being an outlier um sorry I lost my screen here so this is not for us this the the whatever the pay increase we have this is for the the next Council this is for this is about what what kind of a an election in 2026 do we want to attract candidates for and the the more

[125:00] attractive we make this the more diverse and the more competitive the next race is going to be so this is not about our quality of service our quality of life um ours or the next council's quality of life so much as it is about representation it is about who we want to run for this these off offices and represent Boulder um we don't have any minimum wage workers I don't think on Council um we have um folks who have made this work through a number of means um that is not available to a lot of our residents and um a few colleagues have talked about how our city is having you know we've have fiscal constraints we're going through challenges we're wrestling with difficult problems but but I would offer that many of these problems are a product of root cause issues that if we have a more diverse body of elected

[126:02] officials we'll probably be in a better position to understand to interpret into problem solve for so this is about do you want to invest does does does the do the residence of Boulder invest in a in a more diverse and competitive body of electives to try to solve difficult problems um to make things happen in the near term and also the much longer term um so oh so period next um this matter of how much time we spend I others have said this but it's it's very unique this is a true Choose Your Own Adventure um in terms of how much time it takes I think whether the packet is 100 Pages or it's 800 pages that is a very small fraction of the week I I won't speak for others but for me that is not what in any way defines the um the experience and the time um that goes into this job

[127:01] um and and for some people it works because they're they're a part-time business owner in some way but but that's not everybody and either way it's not about this makeup it is about what opportunities we want to create for the next cohort so I think the workload is a little bit of a red herring as far as the the what we what we need to to um provide to create the representation um so I will conclude by saying I would support I'm on the the very high end of what we should do I would I would like to see us do 75% for mayor 65% for uh regular councel this would bring us more closely in line with County Commissioners um and the idea of investing in the um the problem solvers that would you know be doing the work we need to do all right um thank you everyone um all of your comments um I got a couple comments of my own um and then just had um a couple questions that I think will help us narrow down fairly quickly um I

[128:00] just want to Echo what some folks have said about um finding ways to make our work more efficient um getting our meetings done a little bit faster um having less information to process I think um there is also some efficiency that could be found in just kind of spreading out some of the work as well of of going into Community engaging with Community um so I think that all these things will unfold I'm hopeful that our process change working group will help out with some of this as well um and all that is to say just trying to get this from something that is 20 to 30 hours a week to something that's more in the 10 to 15 range um feels like a good goal uh to me to strive toward and I think it I think it's something that we can do within the next couple of years I don't think it's a decade out I think it's um a little bit closer um I think that also increases who can be on our Council too um because if you have have to work full-time and you've got kids or you're caring for an elderly relative or something like that um and you know you're also trying to do 30 hours of

[129:01] counsil work a week there's really no way to do that without interrupting your health and um or you know um your business suffering or something like that so so I think there there are multiple reasons for trying to get the work to be a little bit more efficient um I just want to Echo the comments about um where where I think a different friends should come from um I do think it is appropriate that the mayor gets a little bit more than Council I do not think it is necessary for the mayor protm to have a different um salary either um on a week like this one where I knew that I had a meeting to facilitate I just cut back the other things that I was doing this week to make it fit in so you can still kind of keep up the the same amount of work um I think there's also something that might be a little weird since we tend to switch mayor protem every year to have start at one salary go up then go back down that just seems like a lot um for the person as well as for staff to have to deal with those changes so uh anyway so I would not recommend again uh for

[130:00] that um and then I think you know where I was thinking of was um if we could get down the work in the next couple of years to 15 hours or so a week where I was Landing was about a third of a time um 15 hours or so it's around a third time so something in the 30 33 35% range um and and I think I agree with the the idea of the mayor U being maybe 10% um 15% more there um again because the we are we are a body of nine and I think that there's work that can be spread out in terms of public engagements and things like that um you know going to speak at the capital those kinds of things so um anyway so those are the end of my comments and then just to kind of take it into uh what I hope will get us to um uh some guidance for staff sooner than later um I think there's oh yep clarifying um is there going to be another chance to do comments because I didn't provide comments because I was just answering question five so got if

[131:00] there are I'll Circle back if Now's the Time then I'll drop in my um if it is a comment that you think May everyone was was feeding off the general comment so if there's another chance that i' do it otherwise if Now's the Time let okay I would say just uh go go for it now and then um I will try to guide us through some questions that'll narrow us down I appreciate that thank you um so for one I I really appreciate a lot of the feedback and it's great to hear a lot of those differences um hopefully we're not negotiating fractions of a percent to settle on the right number so hopefully we'll get to a good place um you know th this job is no less than 20 hours a week I know that everyone has their own experiences but it adds up so quickly and I think at the end of the day Fair pay is simply that it's fair for the work that's expected of us um you know passing a percentage AG that is less than the work you're doing is still creating the the ne the need for charity the need for you to give your time

[132:01] rather than to be compensated for the work that you're doing in this community um and and to Mark's point about process it's yes and there's no reason why we can't be disciplined gain that better process and provide that compensation and that really builds to what Ryan said which this isn't really about us I think this is a chance where this Council can pay forward no pun intended exactly the right conditions so that future councils for generations to come have exactly what they need to have the representative council to tackle the diversity of issues that come to our community um and I think that's what's just so critical so I think it's all of the above that need to be done we just have to have the discipline that if we do this and this is why I wrote that hotline the other week which is okay but then where do we put our where do we hold our feet to the fire we we get this on the ballot and it passes then where do we step in and be like now we're going to grind out what this process changes are and we need to spend the

[133:00] time to do that so I just hope that we can come back and and and talk about Optics we need to make that commitment and maybe we need to make that commitment before the you know November ballot so those are things that I think are really important because we owe it to the community to to work on both sides of this so um anyway I think this is a great work and I'm happy to sort of figure out where that sweet spot is you know in that 40 50 35 range and we'll sort it out but um appreciate everyone's comments yes can I change my can I change my um Ami to what you said are we like pick are we oh no yeah no we're we we we'll get there we we'll get there yeah thank you um okay uh so I I think the the U the first thing I would like to just have us choose um I Heard a couple of different options for the different between mayor and Council mayor proem um one was 10% one was 25% um did I miss anybody saying

[134:00] something that was different from those two numbers okay um so I'm going to poll each of these so um who is with 10% oh sorry so the difference so we haven't decided on what the exact Ami percent is yet but we're looking at the difference between mayor and the rest of council can I have a point of clarification are you polling hey 10 or 25 and the winner is that that's the number or is there an opportunity to say hey if there's some of each can we you know split the difference and say 15 I'm just wondering how we get to that number yeah no I was I was just hoping that we could just start with deciding what that difference should be because those those were the two numbers that I heard and if we figure that out then we can move on to what should the um Ami for Council be and then then the mayor sort of follows from there okay I was just thinking we okay I was thinking if we'd find a way between 10 and 25 to settle on maybe 15 works for everybody and get to some more greater un unanimity so that's where I was just thinking if there's an opportunity to find that middle point

[135:01] but I'll okay yep I can pull 15 as well if if folks would like so have a few different numbers okay what's that okay all right so um I am going to PLL 10 15 and 25 um and uh please feel free to raise your hands for two and then we'll narrow it down after there if there's not a clear winner oh sorry am I confusing okay do you want to do you want to just do one oh I'm sorry yeah um so what what I was thinking is we could um do it a little bit like we do board and commission appointments so we've got 10 15 25 I will tally um each one and then uh if there are um if we've got you know two if if no one has a clear majority then we'll go back and I'll just pull two so you can you can raise your hand for two of them all right so let's start with uh 10% difference there five okay um we got a clear

[136:01] majority for um 10% so I am okay okay I will okay I'll keep going all right 15% okay four for 15% 25% okay um then 10% is the winner there if I counted correctly so we will the difference will be 10% between the um mayor and the rest of council all right and uh boy I heard a lot of different numbers for what what what the amount should be um but I I think that going between 25 and 50 is probably uh about where we were so um oh 25% I think it's probably around $25,000 so I think it would be about a doubling of where we're at now because that sorry the Ami for a one person household I

[137:00] think is 102,000 perfect thank you yep yeah of course all right um so we got 25% um I Heard 30% 35% 40% and 50% um so I'm just going to go through each of oh sorry 65% okay um what I actually want do um I think that there are some that we can probably knock out right away um 25% who would support 25% okay um I'm going that's just one okay 65% how many you oh sorry I'm trying to just knock out the ones that um I only heard one person say okay all right thank you um I'm going to go down again now uh 30% okay 35% yeah and yeah you can vote for two that's that's fine yeah

[138:01] yes um 35% the next one okay uh 40% okay and 50% all right um 40% had the most um but let me uh let me try this again with 40% and 50% because they were one was four one was three so um you can only choose one this time so 40% or 50% so raise your hand for 40% please do you mean support the the ballot measure eventually got it I mean you can do whatever you want when we come up for a vote so yeah uh okay I think we got six there and then 50% okay um so I think what we will move forward with then is um proposing 40%

[139:02] for uh council members the May mayor protm and then 50% for the mayor anybody have any uh final comments on the Ami in the percentages part yes Tina I I think I'll just comment that a concern I have is and uh is just when I think about a teacher or a par educator who they're salaried at a 40-hour week and can't really do a 20h hour week on top of that um without taking a break from teaching or going to part-time which will slow down their movement up their pre-negotiated pay schedule and so when we talk about turning this into what feels to me look more like a structured 20-hour week which I don't think it has to be but I do have some con concerns about people who don't have kind of shift-based work

[140:02] like a barista or like someone who owns a consulting company who can really structure both of their schedules um there are a lot of people who do sort of the N9 to5 go to work every day and um and it I I don't think we're going to be able to there was some benefit to really focusing on what um mayor proem spear was saying about really getting to that 10 to 15 hours so that it would open the doors for this large swath of the population um who don't have these flexible type of work whether it's at the high end or the low end but that being said you know I hope that whatever we do attracts more people so yeah and um Lauren and then Ryan yeah I'm I agree that I would like to to see us pursue that I think that it is something that this Council and previous councils have expressed interest in and yet um we have not been

[141:02] able to make very much change a number of the additional boards and committees that we serve on do not allow flexibility do not allow our participation to be optional do not allow us to renegotiate the times in which they meet um so I I think it is something that we definitely should aspire to but I see that as a change that will take considerable time to enact and this is something that has the possibility to allow more people to participate it's not going to fix all the problems but it is certainly a step in the right direction in terms of having um a more diverse Council body thanks and Ryan you had a final comment thank you just wanted to point out um sort of Tina to respond is um to what you said that we're not contemplating um uh a

[142:04] higher standard of hours or adding new requirements through this in any way and for those who might seek to run for office whether they're a teacher uh a wage worker a small business owner it is is essentially between them and the voters to tell their story and to the extent that it might be awkward for a teacher to say uh I'm G to have a full-time job teaching um and to explain that I I think on the other hand it will create so much more opportunity for others on average uh to make this possible that it's worth being open to a teacher with the full-time job doing this thank you and just a reminder we will have an opportunity to discuss and debate when the measure comes back to us as well so um all right then let's move

[143:00] on to um the next question just about the effective date um that you know we talked about some different years here that it might start um and I guess the question the initial question is should the effective date fall on January 1 of a given year um we can decide what that year is in a moment uh but just so that it can coincides with our fiscal year our annual budget cycle um and I guess if no then we just need to figure out a a different um alternative so um any thoughts woo all right um so I actually would pref and again I know it's complicated but it already happens I feel like it should be effective the day we start working just like our insurance is effective that date which is the you know I just yeah and I and are we just talking about the date and not the year yet just the date so my date would be the date we start working thank you okay basically swearing in

[144:02] date yep I think it it does vary is the the thing so I guess maybe that's a question a clarifying question for staff um would it be challenging at all to it is usually um the swearing in which is first week of December okay great okay so um okay and I I you all could then figure out how to write a ballot measure on a date that we don't totally know yet just like in December of whatever okay okay okay thank you um does that sound good to everybody then swearing in date is what we would we would use as the day in the month so be yep Matt uh I think my my my preference would be to lean towards where the tax season lies because I think you want to start that fresh on like when you start counting your taxes which I think is Jan one I believe and so um I think that's just I believe that's the case um and so like it just seems weird that if you get like

[145:00] that one month and then and then it carries I I know it happens all the time I just think it's just cleaner to to say start of the Year bang um and even when you get sworn in you you immediately go on winter recess more or less um so anyway I just know Jan one seems just a lot cleaner to me and then you don't have to worry about the variance of what day everything starts can I ask a question about that so there would be under that scenario no pay from swearing in until January 1 I think I think um maybe the idea that there would still be pay at the current rate whatever it is at that point with the cost of living increase and then it would switch in January the effective date for this going forward and then at that point you're just getting paid for the first year just trying to keep to clean Jan one but if there's concerns about one meeting then we can address that Lauren yeah I was going to just point out that because when someone is newly

[146:02] elected and sworn in their pay changes anyway um it has tax implications already and so I I don't know that I think that that makes sense I think that it would make sense just to start it on the swearing in date to me okay thank you and oh yep um I also want to add in we had the one meeting but we also had nine hours of of training so there's also training that happens uh for the new board member or new council members uh so again we'd like to be paid for the time that we're working thank you and um Tina thank you yeah I I think everything started at signing in so having two dates I think would be confusing because I think the the health benefits started on the day we signed in all right um any final comments we got two options then January 1st or signing in date um anyone for January 1st as the date we start the effective

[147:01] date are you interested in January 1 after hearing the discussion are you interested in January 1 as a date to um to start it okay okay um okay so I think then we've got for the swearing in date everybody good with um effective on the swearing in date and then you will figure out how to write it for a date that we don't totally know when it's going to be um okay and then the starting year um what I have um heard I think Taisha you said 2026 so it doesn't impact anybody who is currently on this Council um does anybody have a different proposal could I ask a clarifying question so by 2026 would that actually be the um because now we're starting at the swearing in date that would be right so December 2026 yes yep yeah so with the council basically the council that um is in place in December of 2026

[148:01] following the November 2026 election okay yes Tina uh if we if this does get placed on the Belt we might want to clarify or think of a way to think about it is 2027 because you could really think about three of our terms ending in 26 so it might be a little confusing yep okay great thank you and um so Erin at this point do you all have what you need from us to move forward with creating a ballot measure I believe so what I heard was 40% Ami for regular City Council Members including the mayor proem 50% Ami for the mayor uh start date with the swearing in date that would occur in December 2026 that sounds right okay EXC thank you I think we can move on to the next one then all right well our second item is executive sessions sorry what was that sorry Tina has one more

[149:00] question is is this going on the being prepared for The Ballot or due to a final so um it will so eron kind of outlined the dates it'll come back on August 1 um in first reading and then uh we'll have a public hearing currently scheduled for August 15th um that is the point where we would likely vote um and decide whether or not to move it forward to the ballot all right all right thank you I will move on to our second discussion item which is executive sessions executive sessions are allowed by state law so that local public bodies may have nonpublic discussions of designated subjects executive sessions are only for deliberations they're not for voting in summary the allowed situations for an executive session under state law are property transactions attorney conferences confidential matters under federal or state law security arrangements or investigations determining negotiation

[150:01] position or strategy Personnel matters unless the subject employee requests an open meeting review of documents protected by the Colorado open records act and interviews of finalist if there are also interviews in a public forum the the important point about executive sessions is that they would allow for a group discussion of these subjects currently the city attorney's office uses memos and meets with two members at a time when we need to discuss legal issues and there is not a not a current mechanism for Council discussion uh the city attorney's office recommends using the exact language of the statute so that we can use case law for interpretation if we draft unique Boulder specific language we R the court interpreting it in unexpected ways all right procedurally to allow for

[151:00] executive sessions Charter section 9 would be amended and a new Charter section 22A would be created as a cautionary note we would need to develop procedures for executive sessions which must be followed very carefully state law carries penalties for violations of the open meetings law there are not criminal sanctions however sessions must be electronically recorded and if a violation is alleged the court reviewing the record will make public any portion that goes off topic and a prevailing complaint must be awarded cost and attorney's fees all right and I I will pause here uh on the slide are questions from mayor protm speaker thank you um so let's just start with any clarifying questions is there anything anybody wants to understand yes Lauren I should have asked these ahead of time but do you have any idea in the

[152:01] last year how many times we have done 2 by tws I don't I you know thinking about the previous year where I was co-acting we had a couple issues and I I think we probably did it two or three times just within that four or five month period uh so you all may know better than I do but it is several times a year plus plus memos yeah I was just thinking like in my tenure on Council it's probably been less than a dozen times total um so anyway that we've done two by twos lots of memos though thanks that was my only clarifying question okay any other clarifying questions all right um do we still want to move forward with the ballot measure related to uh allowing us to do executive sessions just show of hands yes or no

[153:01] don't raise your hand okay um we got a majority that would like to move forward um and the next question then is do we want to use the state guidance as is proposed the alternative would be that um we mess around with the law and try to do something that that may uh may be problematic so do we want to use the state guidance as is proposed is the question okay that's a yes um and then U I guess this this actually may be a question for you Ain what would be the effective date or did you have one in mind or are you looking for guidance from us there you I I think this is a place where January 1 could make a lot of sense we we are we'll get it in there somewhere uh we are really the only city that does not have executive sessions so there are procedures that every other municipality has already enacted that we'll be able to review in you so we are not starting from a blank page with

[154:01] developing the procedures necessary to implement great um and with that be January 1 of 2025 if it were to pass correct okay great um then yes Matt you look like you got a comment I I just have a comment for so it's on the on the record um all of the situations stated that executive session allows under Colorado revised Statute are conversations we currently already have outside of the view of the public we just have them in the least efficient and least effective way humanly possible without even having them at all and this is exactly the kind of process Improvement and efficiency our previous conversation was saying we should be committed to to lessen the burden and lessen the amount of wasted work time that we are doing as a council and when you have to schedule weeks of these two by tws that's one or that's one or two

[155:02] hours of that time that I don't get back that and and and I'll say the most important part of this is in those 2 by tws we miss out on the collective wisdom of this body there are times where I would love to know people outside of that 2 by two maybe what mayor protm spear or or council member Wallock has to say and I'm miss out on that wisdom and that answer and then I am less knowledgeable about that situation going into a decision I can't imagine the community would want us um at that level of of of insufficient knowledge to make what are critical decisions which are usually held in executive session so to me I think we just want to put that on record that that this is not uh giving us any new conversation or new thing we're doing it it's just in the least efficient and least effective way possible so this streamlines that process like like ERS of magnitude thank you Matt and Mark uh first Matt trust me you're not missing out on a lot of wisdom from me um

[156:01] uh if you talk to uh our counterparts from almost from any Front Range City they literally think we're out of our minds not having the ability to uh gather uh an executive session uh matter is correct it is much more efficient it is simply doing once what we have to do uh four and a half times and it makes no sense it does not constitute decision making out of sight of the public it is simply the ability to discuss and consider certain matters not all matters um and for for me this is a a total um no-brainer I mean we're just bringing ourselves into Conformity with what everybody else is doing and it and it makes eminent good sense for us to do it um and so I'm I'm very very supportive of this uh I think it's it's necessary

[157:01] and yes it will contribute a little bit to um saving some time and creating a greater efficiency on Council and between Council and staff so I am uh I'm all in on this you and then um Lauren Ryan and um just a reminder again we'll have time to debate in August as well I'm just sensitive to wanting to get us done at nine yeah so I just wanted to um comment on the 2 by tws being less efficient no offense but you all take a long time to talk when we have nine of us meeting together that actually lengthens the discussion significantly in the amount of time that I devote to it on any singular topic having two by tws while not for staff for my time as a council member is actually more efficient I would argue um I do understand the not getting

[158:00] um not having a fuller understanding of important things that other members might bring to the table and I I do appreciate that but um I think that the culture of our community is going to make this and has made it in the past very difficult to pass and I would just strongly urge us to consider you know we're putting we're considering putting two fairly controversial items on one ballot and they particularly might not play well together and I would hate to see this jeopardize our chance at passing Council pay thank you thank you and we'll have time to get to that that one um at the end too anyone else I think we've given staff what we need um but if anybody else has a deep need to speak right now yes yes Taisha um I just want to again Echo having had the experience of being on Colorado Parks and Wildlife where we do use executive session um versus here for

[159:00] just even seven months and I'm eager to return to Executive session primarily because there is something about having the full team everybody brings a certain set of skills and what happens in the 2 by two is that means I need to spend time on the followup with the people that weren't in the room for that perspective and so it's still time spent and I just I I feel like having folks in that room at the same time is really powerful so I agree that it is nine opinions but um the quality of the decision I think is better when we have the opportunity to be in time real time so thank you great thank you um Aon do you have what you need from us on this one then that is perfect thank you okay wonderful thank you um and I think we can move on to the last ballot measure all right well our third and last item is a potential ballot item regarding Council advisory boards and Comm commissions so first a little background on Charter section

[160:00] 130 this Charter section sets forth the terms and eligibility for most boards and commissions as follows that they have five or seven members terms of five years members not of all not all of One gender identity members who are well known for their ability Proby public spirit and particular Fitness to serve on such respective commissions that are at least 18 years old have resided in the city of Boulder for at least one year immediately prior to their appointment and the board shall hold monthly meetings the council board and commission subcommittee rece okay could you go to the next slide please thank you uh the council board and commission subcommittee received input from a consultant and worked with the city manager's office andity attorney's office resulting in this limited approach to give Council authority to make changes by ordinance to allow for greater flexibility in how boards and commissions function the

[161:01] proposed amendments would keep the status quo but would allow Council to act by ordinance to change Provisions if the ballot item were to pass there would be no change for any board unless Council took a second action and passed or amended a board enabling ordinance the proposal would only impact boards that are formed under Section 130 or to the extent that the enabling Charter section sites to section 130 so for example if Council wanted to allow the housing Advisory Board to have members who live outside Boulder or who are under 18 or who resided in Boulder for less than one year you would be able to do that by ordinance and you could vary it by board commission if you felt you wanted to change it it for one board you could do that it would not necessarily apply to all boards only those Changed by ordinance okay and next slide thank you

[162:01] not all boards would be impacted to the same extent if the ballot item passes there are some boards that are special in our Charter and those with individual Charter sections are the Arts commission which specifies seven members in a five-year term the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board also seven members in a 5-year term the open space Board of Trustees with five members and fiveyear terms and the planning board with seven members and fiveyear terms these requirements cannot be changed by amending ballot item or ballot section 130 Charter section 130 these uh could only be changed by amending those Charter sections shown on the slide however these boards site to section 130 for the eligibility of their members being not all of One gender identity residency and age so that by changing uh Charter section 130 as

[163:02] proposed you could make those changes so for example council could decide to only have a six-month residency requirement for the parks and recck Advisory Board and Implement that change by ordinance okay and uh next slide please a charter section 130 also addresses the authority of council to remove members except for the parks and direct Advisory Board the open space Board of Trustees planning board and the Arts commission which have their own removal language so for other boards and commissions Charter section 130 currently includes the provision that the council shall have the power to remove any commissioner for non-attendance to Duty or for cause the proposed language is all board and commission members serve at the pleasure of council the council May remove members for non-attendance to duties conduct Unbecoming a member and any other reason not prohibited by

[164:01] law The Proposal attempts to have language that's more consistent with the ordinance 2-3-1 which authorizes Council to remove any member by majority vote for conflict of interest violations any other violation of applicable law regulation or policy non-attendance to duty failure to attend three consecutive regularly scheduled meetings without a leave of absence approved by a majority of the Border commission or any other cause all right thank you and I will pause here uh on the slides are qu questions presented from mayor proen spear all right thank you so much uh clarifying questions I see Tara Tina Matt Ryan so my question is as we go back to the language can we go back one slide whoever is in charge

[165:01] of um Can how important is all board and commission members serve at the pleasure of council do we need to have that I think you could delete that sentence and still have the spirit of the transparency um you know to show really what the relationship is between board and Council boards are there to help Council except for those enumerated ones with their own specific Charter section they're really there to advise you um and I think that carries through with the remainder of the language do you want me to say later why I asked for that during comments um yes yeah thank you any other oh sorry there were um Tina you were next yeah when um and I'm not sure if anyone's ever removed someone from a board but is there a public hearing with that removal it depends on the reason for the removal there have been two in in recent history one was due to actions of the

[166:01] board member the essentially cause and one was for the application process not vetting certain criteria so the person who was alleged to have violated a a cause kind of scenario that person was given a hearing in front of council okay and and that's all spelled out I no I'm not sure how do you mean by spell that we don't have specific Council rules uh about how to remove so we kind of developed it as was needed for that special circumstance and it is very very rare um to have a removal that was a unique year unfortunately okay all right thank you thank you um then I've got Matt thank you um just be we nothing in here is in tending to impact the um Arts

[167:02] commission parks and wre open space or planning board with regards to the charters specific to defining those boards and commissions is that correct that is correct okay thank you thank you and then Ryan what is cause in this sense I mean what are what's the limits the scope of cause where does cause end and that then it's something else cause we we look at as is there a code of conduct violation have they not attended to duties have they failed to attend meetings I I think potentially could be behavioral if there was truly a a harassing situation or hostile situation um so there there there is is a reason where they have their behavior or their performance is not hitting the mark okay and not a philosophical or political conflict with the the makeup of the majority of the council correct that would be provided under

[168:00] 2-3-1 or any other reason okay so it exists under 2-3-1 you do have the authority to remove for no reason okay thanks and um just a a quick cqu on that that is currently the case right that's not a proposed change here that is currently the case we currently have that ability correct yep okay thank you um and then um I see Lauren I just wanted to cqu on that it seems and because this comes up so rarely it's hard to really know but it it seemed like we have really leaned on looking at the allowance es that are specifically called out for removal as opposed to um you know none of the previous as far as I know we haven't

[169:00] done a removal for cause without that sort of more specific reference to something that that is written out in the code for sort of an more exact action and interestingly the one removal that was fair fairly recent was under one of those uh specified unique enumerated boards and so we were looking at their specific Charter language as well so it it wouldn't have been just Charter section 130 we were also looking at I believe it's 173 so I guess my question is from a legal point of view what would be the benefits or concerns to sort of changing the language as you've suggested does that make any particular kinds of removals easier to defend

[170:01] or something like that yes I mean if you have to prove cause like if it's uh the non-attendance to Duty or failure to attend three meetings then we have to prove that they didn't attend three meetings and were an excused so well did they email the chair in the chair you know what is excusal so so every time you have to prove something it can spiral off and and I guess one other section is or one other point is that we also use this language in training boards and commission members and in looking for good behavior from them so it's also a transparency issue so that they understand what their relationship is to council and it is at council's appointment and with Council priorities that they work on okay so I guess I'm just trying to think of some examples that don't fall under that specifically sort of that specific language that we already have laid out

[171:01] for instance if a border commission member was um saying very appropriate things maybe racist language towards other members on a border commission or members of the public does this change how we would be able to deal with that situation I think so I think by having explicitly in the charter language um for one thing it helps that person understand that that kind of conduct that is Unbecoming is not allowed thank you any other clarifying questions okay um show up hands for who still wants to move forward with the ballot measure that allows us to implement some of the recommend changes to boards and commissions um raise your hand if yes all right I got everybody there um do we want to move forward with the proposed amendments and thinking

[172:01] about the removal changes um separately do we want to move forward with the proposed amendments sorry so there there there was there was a do you want to maybe put up um Erin if you wouldn't mind or sorry whoever's controlling the slides if you would take us back I think it was two slides maybe three 12 uh one more yes uh one more there we go okay basically um just setting it up so that we would be able to um and thank you for um getting the slide uh so that we would be able to make changes to boards and commissions except for the four that are on the next slide uh through an ordinance which I expect would involve a public hearing and everything as well so um it wouldn't sort of um be undercover or anything like that it would be out in the open we'd be making those changes so this would allow us um to make those changes through an ordinance change it would not Implement any changes in the ballot measure but it would give us the authority um to make changes through an

[173:02] ordinance so show of hands um who is in favor of this part okay we got everybody there um and then if we could go to the removal piece Tara would you like to speak to your comment earlier about removing that first sentence in the proposed language even though well the thing is if you're an attorney then this language is totally fine but most of the people that live in the city are an attorney well actually probably a lot of them are to be honest but assuming that you're not an attorney that first line seems annoying and I want this to pass so I don't if it's not necessary I don't know why we should have it do you know what I mean mhm would you want me to explain what I mean by Annoying um I don't know does anybody need that so what what I'm basically hearing is Tara is proposing that we strike that first sentence um since Arin said that would be okay uh for us to do

[174:02] we would still capture the spirit so um if everybody is okay with that change and just raise your hand quickly that seems okay all right cool um and then are folks comfortable with moving forward with um changing this language as well and including that in the ballot measure bless you all right we got folks there yep okay wonderful um okay and uh effective dates on this one January 1 2025 does that sound right to everyone I'm seeing lots of nodding heads it is well have a good New Year party right um okay uh then Erin do you have what you need from us on this measure yes thank you okay wonderful um then the last thing that I just wanted to um ask folks is we we basically talked about three that we are oh sorry yes goe can I have can I have one more slide to go over first and I'll turn you pleas so

[175:02] for for next steps in a cautionary note we are super tight on time we're always tight every year um but originally first reading was going to be July 18th and with the extended break first reading is now August 1st second reading and public public hearing August 15th if we need it third reading or continued second reading on September 5th and then it is pencils down September 5th because the ballot has to be certified to the Boulder County Clerk September 6 so if it's not on on the 5th it's not going to be this year can I clarify this is for all three ballot measures this for everything so everything we got to be this is effectively time to yep okay okay thank you thank you and Lauren do you have a clarifying question on the dates and things well I just wanted to make a comment that this seems like an item that maybe could use some memos before August 1st just to so that we

[176:01] have a chance to see the language ahead of time since the timeline is so tight duly noted Tina uh for the August 1 meeting will we have the whole ballot landscape so putting these three visually with the airport and then anything the county might be running as well so we can get an idea of what our voters are going to be looking at as a whole I I can't speak to the county dates I I don't know when they have their documents scheduled but yes to the airport that the same same deadlines apply to the airport I'll be reaching out to them about the ballot and title and ordinance for those two that have been certified tonight and they will also need um to be passed ordinances with a public reading public hearing and I'd be happy to reach out to the Commissioners and see when they expect it but we do not have control over their timing thank you um any other questions

[177:01] about this last slide and timing specifically thank you so um on the the question that one of the public commenters had earlier on the airport ballot initiative in which we have theoretically options to consider have we done that today there's no there's no more time to do that or is um so oh you're running out of time yeah and what I will say is um we've got a CAC meeting Monday morning um our last one before the break so if anybody feels that there uh should be time for us to discuss those comment whatever um that would make for a good CAC email I would expect um okay so um with that then um what I want to do now is not relitigate any of the individual ballot measures because we've already talked them through but we've got three that we are talking about moving forward to an August 1 um

[178:01] first reading and my question is thinking about them as a package as a whole does anybody have um any or want to make a case for not moving one or more forward when considering the others so if we think about all three together are there any interactions or things that people are concerned about again not re litigating the individual things that we've already talked about um but rather thinking about this as a package is there anything that anyone has concerns about or would like to bring up Lauren I mean I already mentioned it but I do have concerns with having both Council pay and um oh my God my brain is gone executive session on the same ballot and I would encourage just to consider having them on different ballots thank you okay um is there anybody else that that would be interested in um not moving forward with

[179:00] something out of concern for having multiple measures on the same ballot my only concern is with this one um I think it's a little more opaque in some respects and a little harder to understand but having said that I I you know I support it but um uh it may be a little bit of sensory overload for um some voters but I again at the end of the day I would still say let's do this uh because I think it's an important thing to do um and when you say this one were you referring to the last one the boards of commissions okay thank you number three all right um anybody else have any other thoughts on this topic um Okay show of hands for anyone who would like to move forward with fewer than the three that we talked about tonight all right thanks Lauren looking a little little Lely over there tonight

[180:00] we gota gotta get some more hands over there we all have those nights um okay uh so Ain then do you have everything that you need from us in order to move forward and is there anything else you'd like us to know uh no I think I have everything I need just just be aware of the dates when we come back and it is pencils down September 5th y okay thank you yep and um we ought to have the preliminary packet two weeks before the first right so around the time that we're starting to pick up our heads again after our recess okay yep so um just encourage all of us to make sure that we're looking at that and um get our questions answered I expect that as always we can reach out to staff of questions if we have them absolutely then okay great uh thank you so much and thanks for all your help with bringing these forward so quickly um and thank you to the Charter committee and the board and commissions committee for um all of your work as well all right um I believe that wraps

[181:00] up um our Matters from the city manager um we don't have anything under Matters from the city attorney or mayor and the members of council um discussion items anything under debrief oh yes someone oh sorry I thought someone was pointing okay yes all right there we go so sorry um in your packet is the notes for the First Council chat so I wanted to lift those up um and speak to one thank Jamal uh for hosting it at Brooklyn Barber and the staff for coordinating um across both our um office of belonging which has our Equity um business manager as well as our Communications and engagement team so I want to go ahead and thank them and I

[182:01] just wanted to lift up a couple of specific recommendations that they um that these business owners um wanted to make sure that was on your radar screen was one was around just the distinction between small and micro businesses that was really something that came up those businesses of 10 people and less and just recognizing that there is a gap of services for those specific types of businesses um there's also significant interest around additional technical support this is in addition to what is already being provided by the chamber the Latino chamber the boulder chamber um many of of of us are a part of all of those different ones and there really is a meaningful role that the city can play for small businesses so I'm excited um to have some of our Council Representatives that have extensive backgrounds in different intersections of business Mark I know I introduced you um specifically just around some of the

[183:01] real estate issues that were coming up for small businesses and how they um um Can can be rather predatory and so having uh people with that level of experience is really meaningful um the second area that I wanted to lift up was um just Vis more visibility for for businesses that are on the west end and again I thought that was a very interesting uh because that was something we also hear from other businesses that are not micro and small so just recognizing that the West End continues to be an area that we need to um make sure that we are are creating opportunities where businesses can Thrive and then lastly was on the levels of Engagement and so they are all appreciated sorry I just was reading the notes say the West [Laughter] End the representatives that were there were mostly from the West End so I suspect that that might have skewed this particular piece of data uh which

[184:01] actually goes back to their request for more engagement um of the business Community um recognizing that sometimes when we have our meetings with businesses during the day during the business day that they're not able to join those meetings and so um as we look to um increase the economic Vitality for the uh Boulder Valley comp plan Etc I'm hopeful that we can identify creative and meaningful ways to engage our micro businesses so thank you so much and thank you Tina for joining me on that um it was just really wonderful and you can tell um you know that uh they were very eager and excited and want and were eager for more so I also want to thank Patrick our business Equity manager for extending opportunities to continue to engage and cod develop uh what the strategies are to meet some of the acute challenges that they have so thank you thank you very much um and if y'all haven't been out yet for the Sundays on West parl it's pretty fun um nice nice

[185:00] little crafts and things going on around the new local and Beyond um okay then um mayor PRM yes just a quick if we're in a debrief discussion item wherever that fits in I'm going to ask for forgiveness later take a queue out of council member Adams's book um just wanted to get back to the question question that was posed during open comment had an opportunity to touch base with interim Chief Redfern and wanted to confirm that in fact we have not had drive-bys neither in North Boulder nor in any part of the city certainly uh in all of his tenure and in recent memory uh PD could only remember an incident 25 years ago and so again if we had something we would let you know so yeah thank you so much for that update um and getting that information so quick