April 4, 2024 — City Council Retreat

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:00] Oh, okay, they're violent. Yeah. So today is a fun day. That host develop the council and staff plan. The next couple of 2, 3 years we got lots of fun fun stuff. All of this. I will explain to you shortly. Which I'm excited about. This will be the bulk of our time. But you will recall that first, we have the opportunity for each of you to spend up to 5 min answering 2 questions for your colleagues on council. The first one is, what would you like the rest of the team to know about how to work best with you, and best interact or communicate with you. And the second is, how to or what are the values, that sort of guide, how you understand things that are important and impactful to this community.

[1:09] So we're going to get to that here in a gif. But I wanted to remind you that's the plan. And everyone got a card. And we're gonna go low to high today. So whoever has a tool of cards prepare yourself because you'll be the first one. But before we jump into the fun things I wanted to first give Mayor an opportunity to say anything you'd like to say, and then, Marie, I'll come to you next. So much heather. Well, good morning, everyone, and welcome everybody. Louis, our city staff joining us here today. I hope you don't bore you too badly. I apologize in advance for 6 h of staring at my bald spot and welcome to community members for joining us. But the other thing I wanted to say is an announcement out this morning that our interim, Judge Jeff on, is no longer the interim, but in fact, the permanent presiding

[2:06] congratulations, Jeff. We're so glad to be continuing to work with you for a few more decades. just take that interim off your phone. Appreciate it. Thank you all. It's been so nice to get to know some people in this group, and all of the support that I've had from so many of you like Theresa and Maria. It's countless I was Mayor. airport, change, protein security. If you all have just been very, very supportive. able to do part of the scene. Thank you. Anything else. Mary. Anything you want to say before we happen. No, just excited for it, and just a huge appreciation to all staff. And thank you. I know we're gonna have a great day today and excited so fun fantastic, alright. In that case. We have our handy dandy side again today for our up to 5 min. You're not obligated to use all 5, but you certainly can as with yesterday I'll ask you to self police and stay pretty close to that 5 min time limit. Finish your sentence and not your paragraph. If your timer comes to the 0. Who is the lucky owner of the 2 of ours this morning. Alright, mark.

[3:23] hey? A couple of questions to answer here were my answer. First, I really don't care how my colleagues communicate with me as long as they're not calling rocks, always happy to meet one on one. But a simple phone call, quality email or text will work as well. I discourage the use of Morse code. I am a very direct person, and I appreciate it. When people are direct with me as well. No one wants to hear that their idea is unsatisfactory, unworkable, or the stupid. But I would rather hear that a lot of nonsense does not represent what my colleague is actually thinking.

[4:02] I once had a business department when I was a chemic, that model was first give me the bedrooms. From him I learned the value of candor. I like candor, but candor, nonetheless. as far as what informs my sense of what's important and impactful to the community, I work for the following considerations. One. What is the need or the problem? We're trying to address? 2 who is experiencing the need? How significant is it in their lives. There's a bit of prioritization here. I want to build all of the tennis courts that the people of Boulder could ever want. I must choose. It is more important to make sure that hungry people are fit. while I hope that we can successfully complete outline bosses. For instance, it is less important to me than providing flood mitigation. So both often asked to make choices. That's where we get paid. The big bucks. 3, when there are competing needs is a balance possible. I believe, in compromise. although not so much when it comes to something as basic as food and security. But if I have the possibility of building more tennis courts, or filling more potholes or underground and utility wires? Is there a compromise that all stakeholders can accept?

[5:11] For we have the financial resources and staff resources to address the problem? If not, did we find them? And what's the trade off for doing so? And how does that decision impact the financial strength of this community and its government. Lastly, although I have now served for more than 4 years on council, it's entirely possible that I do not know everything there is to know. I am happy to defer to my colleagues in the theoretical event that this should occur. Here are the factors that do not, before my judgment as to matters of importance. One. I do not give a tinkers, Dan. The proposed solution to a problem is deemed to be progressive or non progressive. Those debates are tedious and uninformative. I care about what works and what doesn't work to address a recognized problem, how that response is characterized and simply irrelevant.

[6:04] 2. I do not subscribe to the Messianic view that Boulder must be a leader in all matters, and that means, and that and that should be a constellation and a decision we make. Sometimes we are leaders and innovative. That's a good thing. but only if what we do is successful. Sometimes we are followers. and there's nothing wrong with that. I. There's nothing more amusing to me than when someone argues on a particular issue that we must be leaders. Let's do what they're doing in Portland or Berkeley. Let's just deal with the front. My personal values are neither surprising nor complex. I got into Government to help those who have needs and require the assistance of its leaders to achieve a better life. Go back to the days of Robert Kennedy. the real one, not the clown version is a noble undertaking, and I believe that even today, even in the ransid climate of our times.

[7:00] what we do is important, and it is important that we do it thoughtfully and carefully, and always with an eye to answering the following question. I need help. So I'm gonna walk out. I don't know how we could stop that. That's what I see. What Mark said. Sit out, Mark, and I'm out okay. So first question, I think I've communicated this to most of you. But stack on the back end. My email is a terrible way to get my attention. Text. Your teams is one more effective. This extends to Calendar invites to. If you put something on my calendar with less than a week's notice, I am likely to miss it. If you must email me or put something on my calendar, please text me to let me know it's a beacon that will help my agent find whatever it is you need me to see, and if you need me urgently, please call. Aside from that, there are a few communication principles. I follow that I would like you all to know in interacting.

[8:05] You can think of them as the receipts first come from a place of curiosity. If I disagree with you, and you're trying to get me to see things your way. A surefire way to get my hackles up is to think that I just don't know enough about what you're talking about, and if only I had all the information you have, I would see things your life. Please start with the assumption that I have all the information you have, and that I simply will see different. Ask questions to understand why I reach that conclusion so we can understand each other better. But please don't explain things to me as if I'm lacking knowledge, and if I ever don't come from a place of curiosity with new, please let me know, so I can do better having my time. Claire does find this. I can handle your being direct, and, in fact, I prefer it to having you beat around the bush. If I do something that upsets you, let me know if you need me to do something, state it directly. If I overstepped. Please point it out. It is not your job to worry about how I will feel or react to something. That is my job.

[9:02] Feedback is my love language, I will always value the opportunity to learn how to work with you more effectively, because it makes our collective work better. 3 comfort is overrated conversations about emotionally charged high stakes. Topics are never easy, but I always appreciate a challenge. I expect us to have enough respect for each other that we will enter hard conversations as needed. To make sure we can keep working together for the benefit of the community. I expect we will be honest with each other, and able to speak about our differences without attacking each other, disparaging each other. These types of conversations require emotional and cognitive energy, so I do appreciate a heads up that an emotional and charged conversation is coming. So I'm in the right head space. Also, I need some lead time to process information, so please don't try and get me to answer a question or decide on something that I've just heard about. So the second point about the considerations that inform what's important to me and what's impactful in communities. I don't think the main value that informs my decisions will surprise anyone here, but I do wanna preface this answer with my learned experience and analytical credentials in my experience, many people in our community think that a commitment to justice and inclusion comes from the heart rather than the head. And it's really important to me that you all understand that my commitment to inclusion comes from a logical analytical analysis of the one lever we could pull that would make all of us safer.

[10:26] I have a Phd. I published dozens of research articles, had millions of dollars that my own grants funded. I manage a research facility that supports tens of millions of dollars in grant funding. I've mentored hundreds of students. Most first generation are from historically marginalized communities, and they have a 100% graduation rate. Likewise, I've received all the staff I've hired in the past 10 years. I help nonprofits get millions of dollars in donations. I don't just read our council packets, I'm constantly consuming books, podcast scientific studies, news articles, movies, music, and other forms of art, anything that helps you understand the word outside my narrow view.

[11:01] I don't talk about my learning credentials and experience often because I don't see them as relevant to most discussions. Also, people do not like and accomplish their wear work lived. Experience is just as important, and sometimes even more important than learned experience. I mentioned them here. So you know that when I say I strive to put equity at the core of every decision I make, it's the careful result of a decades long attempt to understand why we have so much economic inequality, why that climate is in an emergency and why white supremacy and authoritarianism. We've exploited and extracted resources from people in our planet for centuries, and the consequences are impacting all of us. We will not solve our climate crisis, homelessness, crime, getting people out of cars or any other issue that plays us until we find a new way to exist where we're living and balance with each other in the planet where we have a tone for the ways our systems have hurt people, and where we committed to ensure everyone's needs are met. So when I made decisions. Please know that even if you don't agree with me, my course of action is the result of a logical analysis that looked at all the constraints that exist, and decided on the outcome that will move us closer to ending oppression.

[12:10] I know that I don't see this happen in my lifetime. I hope I just explained. I'm not naive. I am just one of many. But, like Jimmy Carter, I'm committed to do whatever I can wherever I am whenever I can, for as long as I can with whatever I have to try to make a difference. Thank you. 4. Alright, Ryan. Okay, thanks, heather. How's everybody so a little bit of a cold? I apologize. which is a little different. In any case, I I combine this to think of this as a question of how to get my attention and I'll just make a few points. So I started. I guess my first kind of real conventional professional job at 2,007 I started as an associate climate research at a place called Business for Social Responsibility.

[13:06] 2,007 is the year that the head of the intergovernmental Panel on Climate change, Dr. Pachari said. The next 2 to 3 years will determine our future. I think most people who were following this at the time would would be underwhelmed with the pace of action that has happened since then, globally, nationally in most states, in most towns. And talking about that, it will get my attention and in particular, the the question of what is it that we can do to accelerate change, to create a greater capacity for change in the kinds of things that will create more justice. In our town, and and more broadly. So. that's the first thing. If you want to get my attention, let's talk about that. Second thing is, I'm I'm very interested in following evidence. Base

[14:01] science, public health and other data and research from experts who can show us the way forward. I wouldn't call myself a scientist. I've I'm I'm a student learner, I suppose. And so I'm very interested to try to to find what we know from evidence can help us with our big public problems that are generally multidisciplinary and systems. so that's the second one third way to get my attention. I'm I'm very interested in the tension, or maybe just the balance between 2 challenges that any organization has that wants to do exciting things. And the first is to be brave about making big changes, and brave, meaning to look for feedback, to s, to s, to to establish systems for structure, learning, and innovation, and to take that seriously. But then also to be a great place to work and and operate and implement things really well, which means subtracting and keeping great employees, and just being a wonderful place for people to spend time. So I'm interested in the the balance between those 2 things very much.

[15:14] and then finally, that's mostly it. I just just back on feedback. I love. I love feedback. I like to hear feedback. It. It all levels for myself. And you'll have my attention if you're giving an impression that you're interested in feedback as well. Email phone text is all fine. If you don't have my phone my cell phone, I'll give it to you. Teams. I'm not as good with teams lately I should probably get better on teams, but I don't have any total preference. There. that's it. Excellent right by the hearts. Alright. So first of all about working with me, communicating with me. I'm just like many people. I'm very transparent. I want to hear the truth. You don't need to score around this issue with me. I also appreciate feedback to how I'm doing in meeting city councils here for me. So if I'm not if I, if I could be improved, let me know in terms of modality. I actually don't even know how to use teams, so that

[16:13] gone and great with everything else, and I'm very quick to respond. I would. I would even suggest I look at my phone too much. But the good news is I'll get back to you quickly. I'm also happy to meet. I I generally. One other funny thing about me is I hardly check voicemail, so if you leave me a voicemail. We wonder what that was. I probably don't listen to it. So about my values and what is important to the community, as everyone probably knows I serve for 8 years on the School Board, and I entered that work because of the mass of academic inequity between people, since in poverty school and other students. And

[17:02] and I think I'm gonna talk about what I really heard was important in my work in school district, which I hope to bring over to council is that activities are not outcomes. And so we could do a lot of things. We could adopt a new math program. We could hire 50 pair educate people who could, you know, change the whole disciplinary system. Those are activities. And sometimes it's confusing necessarily create the outcome. So for me. You're gonna find me very, very grounded in what is the outcome. and how do the different activities we choose to do create something that is measurable, and that is visible to our community. And, as I said yesterday, my opening sort of vision statement, it's really important for me that the people I'm serving and see that the work I'm doing is impacting their lives in a way that they feel the community is better. And this absolutely includes people who historically not been able to access

[18:00] all the benefits and privileges as well. And so I I want everyone to have that kind of connection to our community. So those are those are basically the my main values. And I'm gonna just keep it there. Next week. Google cake 6. Mr. Mayor. Thanks. Good morning, everybody. I'll be pretty quick. But I wanted to start off by thanking Nicole and Brian for their role on the search meeting. For the judge. Thank you. Delightful. I'm very excited about so. Thanks for your work on that. So in terms of getting in contact with me the most important thing to know is that I'm not a morning person. So if you, if you reach out to me at 7 Am. For something, at least we done by 8. It is never going to be successful. So just keep that in mind. But on the other hand, I don't mind a phone call at 8 pm. Or on the weekends. I kind of my entire life is like council makes for personal kind of bit by bit by bit, and I don't reserve a big chunk of time for personal reach out to me anytime, and as long as it's stuck early in the morning. I'm happy to talk to him available.

[19:14] Do not disturb overnight. So you don't actually wait yet, Tara, with those 7 7 Am. And I I am on email all the time. That works pretty well. But if something is more urgent, text is a good idea. And while I do list of my voice mails when I get them. My phone has a glitch where they don't show up for an hour, too, so I don't know what's up with that. But if you want to get information to me quickly, text is definitely better than voicemail. And then just please don't DM me on Facebook like, I'll never see this. And then just the other thing is that I'd like all of us, I get contacted in a million ways by a million people. So if I don't go get back to you right away, or if I miss it. don't take it personally, please, like it's just. We've got lost in the enormous sea of ways. So feel free to remind me, and I apologize in advance if I miss anything

[20:05] so, and then just in terms of my values just just at the base of it is that I wanna make sure that we're prioritizing people who are struggling to get by our community. If something is clearly popular with 3 quarters of people in town. But it's gonna have a negative impact on people who are really working hard to get by and having trouble doing that. I'm gonna go with the people who need help. So that that's the kind of core base of the values that bring to our decision process. I'll look at that. who's my 7? Oh, 7. Okay, I just you got 7 again. I go on somehow. Yeah, sorry. Yeah. I just don't say I didn't time this one, and I didn't practice it so. And Matt, I think Matt had a case yesterday, too. So I'm on vacation.

[21:03] Yup, alright text or calling your teams. If you're gonna email me text me that you email me, I have learned in the 2 plus years. I council that we sometimes get mad at each other. That's what I thought. It comes with the Territory people screaming us. Sometimes we lose our temper. It's part of council, unfortunately, but I wanted to tell you that I try always to be the best person I can be. Sometimes I lose my temper, so by duty you could. This is what I don't want you to do. Announce it on chat. But I do like a phone call saying or a text saying, we need to talk. And I am a big apologizer, and I forget quickly. That's who I am. And I'm talking to Staff. Okay. So I fully expect disagreements. It's what we do with them that matters. As I said, I don't like to air things during a council meeting, happy to discuss in person. I don't really need people to agree with me. It's not one of my values for people to agree with me. A lot of most of my friends, and I don't even agree politically. So friendship to me has nothing to do with that. But I will tell you that friendship is important to me, and that's why I tried to be friends with everybody on council and including staff. I value piece getting along for a higher purpose and friendship.

[22:21] It's really hard for me to stay mad at somebody, because eventually I actually forgot why I was mad at them. That's first of all. But also I often realize that I'm part of the problem always right? I'm also not aware with my body. Language goes ballistic. So I appreciate it's a New York thing. I appreciate a text like you're out of control, you know. Really. Text me when I'm out of control. I am often not aware when I offend people, so please call me or text me when I offend you we'll talk it out. I like. I have a unlike Nicole, I have Adhd, and I like really short stories, so I might get distracted if it goes past a certain to start staring at. Don't take it personally. I like candor like Mark. So tell me exactly how you feel. Tell me what's your purpose when I talk to community members. The first thing I say is, what is it that you want me to do?

[23:14] I also hang up on people sometimes, and not, and don't tell them so. If I'm done with the conversation, I'll say, Okay, bye, don't get offended when I do that. It's just a thing, you know. We all have personalities, and one of my goals is trying to make people laugh every day so, and if you make me laugh, you're my best friend after is really important to me and fun. I text early, because I think that's best. Then so sorry you don't have to answer me. In fact, if I text you and you never answer me. I already forgot I texted you so I won't even notice it. Am I right there? As far as my values? I would say you already know they are everybody. Does. I care about safety for every single? I'm like a grandma. I care about safety for everybody. I'm logical, analytical. I care about beautiful landscapes and buildings or vibrant city. I care about fairness, care about getting along. I care about forgiveness, and I also care about moving on like working things out and moving on.

[24:17] I like low hanging fruit when it comes to solving problems, but I am also not afraid to try something new unless I can't visualize it working, and there being too many unintended consequences, I can't see that any way for it to work without a lot of problems, and I I would say no, but I also think we should try. Things are called pilot appropriate. I'm not ideological, and if will it work. If not, how can we make it? Work is usually what I say. Let me. I don't think I have anything else. One up. Let me just check is, I didn't go in order. Of course. M's. Oh, one thing I don't like is when people take tomorrow hyper me like you're I'm right and you're wrong, and I know more. And I care about people more than you, because, frankly, every single one of us on council cares about people, and nobody's ever a hundred percent right or 100% wrong. We just see things differently. I grew up in a neighborhood that was just downright ugly. It there was garbage everywhere. It was

[25:19] very. Yes, I played in the garbage dump across the street. So a lot of that is how you grow up and what your purse, what, how you grow up and what you didn't like about. It is often a lot of your values I would like to see, and that's why I moved here, and I'm sure that's why a lot of New Yorkers anything else. Alright. So I expect everybody to text me another second. Tim. Thanks, Sarah. who's my a. Oh, look! The second day in a row. And you lucky is when you're recording.

[26:01] So for one the way that Mark led with levity and humor. I'll just start, that is, That is my language. I love either a good joke. I love humor, I just love levity, especially in the difficult work that we do. It is easy to fall into the trap, the gutter, the darkness of some of the very difficult things that we do on council and in the city on behalf of our community. But we can still have fun tackle, and for me levity is that straw that allows me to me to breathe in those difficult times, so know that oftentimes when I wanna leave with a dad joke to counsel, it's to set the tone that as much as we're about to embark on difficult stuff, cracking a smile and getting a dopamine hit because we smile or have a giggle or a sigh, because the book joke was terrible. It's all part of of lowering the temperature, knowing that even though we're gonna go through hard stuff. We are gonna come out as community. And and that humor plays a big role in that for me in particular. So that that's sort of something that that drives me there. Easy to to get a hold of me, I would say, start with an email. And as the priority or urgency work your way up to a call and text. Some just rush straight to text. But no, it's not urgent, that's fine, too. But but in terms of how to how to filter it out there. But I always have my my phone on me. So so you could leverage that.

[27:24] you know one of the things for me that that I sort of pull from my time at university and and working for NASA was project management, and I remember, an a leader of a scientific instrument you're working on. I've done many, many ass missions, and we're talking about what we're gonna do. It's a cheap fast food. Pick 2, and I'll leave it to. And so it always resonated with me. And when you have financial scarcity, and when you have the desire to do great things and the urgency to do them quick. What are the 2 you pick

[28:01] and that is always something that comes back to when we think about what we're doing here in the city. We never want to do things inexpensively, but in order to, maybe we have to sacrifice one. So I think that's a hard thing for us to manage. But I but I come to it. One of the things that that I want to reprogram our community on and it drives me nuts is the 0 sum game, letting perfection be the enemy of the good. I I if some get, if if there's that's what gets under my team. and I will push back pretty pretty hard on that, because I just fundamentally don't believe that we all can't get a little of what we. And in fact, we subscribe to them. Cause that builds trust for the next thing we're gonna tackle together. You know, one of the filters that I and and impactfulness that I look at is common cause. Can this really address all of our needs, not all of them, not every single one. But can everybody get some of their needs met in this? And how are we optimized. This is a bureaucracy. Bureaucracies are built to just add more red tape and bureaucracy. We can say it. We know it. It's the nature of the beast.

[29:04] But then, how do we deliberately and intentionally optimize the work that we are doing? And that's why I led yesterday. What's our opportunity and optimization with this retreat. And I think we can do that and a lot of the work we do. And I'm also pragmatic. I don't get caught in the polarization, or the political trade winds, or or ideological soapbox, saying, That's not me. It's grounded in what? What can we do? What are our guard rails? And how do we get as much done as possible within that framework? And I'll sort of lastly sort of touch in of, you know. I'm a young father. I've got 6 year old and an 8 year old. So I do take pride in being able to check out of my work. As I was telling, I am a gemini, so my! I do have split personnel, so I will be all in on this work, and then I'll flip the switch, and I'll be all in on my family, and work will be not a priority. And so there's times to sort of know that about me

[30:01] So you know, I coach my son's baseball team. That's not something that will be doing much work on. So there are times if I'm ski. Yeah, you will not be frank or being with family. And lastly, you know, I think, for all of us here is is governed within the framework of the job. We have and not the one we're aspiring for. We were elected to be City Council members. I think we have to remember that. It's a ground floor for a lot of things, but as soon as we point our head to other things we lose sight of what we were hired and elected to do here of this community. And and and everybody suffers as as we're so it's really important for us to keep an eye on the. So legally, the Joe have a smile on the face. and we're all gonna get to good lists. Thanks. Great number 9. Basic.

[31:00] Alright. Good morning, everybody thanks, Adam, she different. So I'll say it all the time. I am a Kinsarian born in the year of the tiger. So what does that mean? It means I don't cry a lot. I'm incredibly emotional. I'm incredibly protective. I'm fiercely loyal. fiercely loyal to my team and congratulations. Y'all are on the team soup. You're still on my team and I will fight ferociously for you. Communication styles. I'm known for my candor again. I always thought it was funny when I found out what candor meant. I was like, wait. So people don't tell the truth. I'm confused. Getting in touch with me. The best way. I read all my emails within 24 h. Text messages. I would prefer, you know, if you need to give me fast or something like Texas like, give me pass

[32:02] text me about something. I could be that could be an email. Also, I did test long emails. Because to me, that's an invitation for a conversation. Right? I also try to be very specific about what my asks are if you don't. And if if my ask is a yes or no, then answer Yes, no, because what I find is when it's a No, people will just give you all the other things. Well, you didn't ask that. But you're all these other things. You could just help me. No, and that's all right, right, then, that lets us know where the starting point is, and we can move forward from there. Questions on my love language. And so if I'm asking lots of questions, because I genuinely want to know, because I'm always thinking about continuous improvement. I'm always looking towards that lens. I am also a systems thinker. So if you want my attention, then show how we're shiny penny issue or topic or focus area or department aligned with all of the other things that are driving towards our goals. I need to see how does this piece

[33:05] fit into all of the other pieces? And the reason that I am this way, I think, is because I have been, I might add, an African American woman in this United States in this city for 12 years. The eraser is so disgusting. The Mistruths didn't have. Lies are devastated. devastating to live with every day. And so that's why I asked questions. That's why you know, with research and evaluation, policy, custom processes. All of those things have been weaponized against people of color, people in the margin, people with disabilities. Lgbtq AI. Plus all of the intersections there. And so I'm especially sensitive to who made the decision when it was that decision made any decision that was made for 1964. I was not there. My people were not there. All of our water rights.

[34:00] no indigenous people had any authority on those decisions, and so we have responsibilities and obligations, and I take that very, very seriously. That's why timeline matters to me. That's why always I feel I will always ask who made this decision? Who finance this this decision? Who did the analysis of the work? Because when you don't have the live and learn experience on those teams, you get inequitable decision making like the ones we have now. I also wanted to bring up that. I'm an intersectional environmentalist. What does that mean? That means I balance people in planet. I do not believe in people. First policy making people first policy making the climate chaos and crisis, we see, is the direct results of of some humans making decisions. And when you see extreme wealth for me, I know the economic system that is that is necessary for that to to exist.

[35:01] That's wage theft. That's land theft that's intellectual property theft. I see it over and over again. And so when I see us hiring consultants to do all of this work. But then those who live and learn experience coming in for a listening tour, or listening session or a survey, my flag goes up because I'm wondering again whose whose voice is valid, in what way and when? I'm an equity specialist. And so when I hear people use the term equity, and not define what they mean by that. That doesn't mean this term doesn't mean everything to everybody. It's not a singular term anymore. Same with diversity, diversity of what race, gender, ethnicity, education, level region, geography. Let's be specific in the words that we're using. And when I say equity, I mean access representation, meaningful participation and quality outcomes. I am also outcomes based together. We thrive. Thank you.

[36:02] What's right? That must mean that Lauren has the 10 of hats. man. While I strive to be thoughtful in my communication, I naturally lean towards and appreciate bluntness. I appreciate honesty and open dialogue over mere agreement, and I often find find that I learn the most from colleagues on the other side of an issue, or on the other side of the aisle. I appreciate outside the box, thinking, well, researched facts. brevity, humor, and people who let me know when I may have hurt their feelings so that I can apologize. My inbox is challenging for me to keep up with. So please text, or call me for the fastest response. Times I do check my voice. Mail more than monthly, probably not much

[37:04] the values that shape my vision for what is important for our community, our social equity, environmental sustainability, justice and community. I see these values as pillars upon which our collected wellbeing and prosperity depend. Social equity for me means every individual in our community deserves fair and equitable access to opportunities, resources services, regardless of their background or circumstances. We must strive to eliminate systemic barriers and ensure that everyone has a chance to thrive and reach their full potential environmental sustainability is paramount in our efforts to build a thriving and resilient community. We are stewards of this planet of our local resources, and it is our responsibility to preserve, protect, and enhance them for our own well-being and survival.

[38:03] Justice is another fundamental value that guides my work. We must strive for a society, where justice is accessible to all, regardless of race, ethnicity, gender and socioeconomic socioeconomic status. This means addressing systemic injustices, advocating for meaningful reform and standing up for the rights and dignity of every individual in our community. Finally, I believe community is the source of our power as council members, and the key to creating, lasting and outsized to impacts whether it's a mural or a coffee shop or a conversation about minimum wage. There are so many ways that are the work we do has power to bring people together, keeping in mind that togetherness and harmony are not same thing. We need to continue building a more intentional and resilient community, where everyone is valued and empowered to contribute in meaningful ways.

[39:03] We are stronger when we work together, and we need that strength to overcome the growing challenges our communities face. Thank you. Oops. Thank awesome. Thank you all for doing that. I really appreciate it. I hope you learned something new about your colleagues? Both on the day to day. Tactical level of how to catch them. For a conversation, but also about what motivates? The the comments that you hear and the decisions that you see on the text. so now to the work. Saw some of you checking out all the fun up here. there's a lot happening. So I talked about it for a minute, and then we shall proceed. So the first thing is. it is possible that or specific work plan. Suggestion is not here.

[40:00] and if that is the case, it is because we thought it was that we thought it was embedded, or the words are different or something. So I'll ask you. You'll let us know as we go along for sure. But just wanna let you know, was not intentional. We were like, and you know, who had a dumb idea. That was that, Tina. So we just we just threw that one out. That's not what happened. So because there were a lot of similar themes, we combined them, and we might have lost the specific nuance or texture of your idea in that effort, and apologies in advance. If that's the case, and you just caller, let us know that happened. And Mark's ready with some additional stickies if we need to add some things. So that's thing with to read that you're gonna have some time later to look at it don't sweat it. I would never assume that anyone could breath this because I'm 51. I've had Lasik twice, and I still wear contacts and readers, so I just assume nobody could see anything

[41:00] alright. So had some questions yesterday about well, what is Staff already doing? Because if Staff's already doing it, maybe a I don't even have it as a priority. Or BI want to lift it up. And I asked a question after you all, yeah, left a share. But I don't know what mental health means. I mean, I understand conceptually, if I'm in the constant of the workplace, what would that possibly be? And it might mean to expedite it if it's already popping, but you want it to come faster or bigger, or have a different council role. That might be what lift it up means. And so, if you're thinking, yes, that's coming. But I want to lift it up. He's anticipating that I last week what? Specifically so we can visit about that over here on this board are several items that came from your workplan process, that when we were visiting with staff and directors, what they said is, we think that's already on the work plan that we're already doing there.

[42:03] That's what's here, and I'll tell you what's there, because I know you can see it. But the heading that you also, I'm sure, can't read, says currently coming to you eventually. which means it's on the work plan, but there's no guarantee that with the current pace and scope of this work, that it would come to you or be completed during the next 2 to 3 years. So anything that's over here. If you wanted to lift it up, expedite it, or increase your role, whatever, then we need to move it over here to the broader discussion. Anything that ends up on this part is for you to be on the work plan coming to you eventually. It could also be that what Staff is doing right now and is coming to you eventually is not what you meant by your sticky. And so I'm gonna go through these and give directors a chance to tell you what they think they're already doing, and for you to say yes, that's it.

[43:02] or Oh, no, no, I meant something else entirely. And again, notice, feelings are hurt. Right? This is just kind of suss out the details here. So we're gonna go through this first. so that anything that needs to move over here for potential work plan priority on the big wall that nothing sticks to. If you're wondering about why, there's 10 recipes of tape like literally that they fixed this wall. We'll move things over there, and then over there's we'll have a conversation where I will give each of you 2 opportunities. To tell us an item that you'd like to have your your colleagues consider for a official work plan priority. and then we'll visit about the impact of those. Which is why we talked about what you found. and the staff will help us visit about what the lift is. Scoping. Conversation might occur at that point, worried that they might say, Well, as you've described it, that is a huge list. and then you can say, but if you, if we could chunk it out and just do this piece, or whatever, and it's a smaller left conversation to be had between you all and the respective directors for those projects.

[44:07] So then we're gonna end up with 18, everyone has 2 rounds. They're 90 18. So he's over there on our impact and effort board. And then we're gonna need to do some prioritization. So we have some dots. So we'll do some dotted if you are a very structural person. I would like to know at how many minutes we're going to send on each one of these things. Please let me manage your expectations I do not know. I am sure we'll be done on time, because we somehow always managed to do that. But how the days have unfold beyond what I've just said as Julie Ontario. So let us begin over here on the currently coming to you eventually board the following items. read them to you, and then where you have questions, we'll go one by one of the directors are here to to visit with you. This one is pedestrian bike, path and underpass design and safety enhancements

[45:02] and the color cord color code is up here in the top. If you want to know what the main department is it's it mostly is consistent. This is only so many colors of stickies. Yeah, this one is for Osmp Review. Historic reservation codes. I'm looking for good. Thank you. Share the opportunity in whatever department this is. Review historic preservation codes zoning for sustainability, which has as an addendum embodied carbon initiatives. crediting process improvements. analysis of the airport minus housing, planning, study.

[46:03] vision, 0 action plan and signal practice items. This is parking and Tdm ordinance revisions includes exploration of parking minimums. You'll start to see there's a little color dots and other addendums here. This is other departments that are encumbered right? Cai is these little yellow dots there, everywhere? And then down here is unleaded gas at airport. This one is mission of boards and commissions, etc. Climate action plan update, and then the addendum here is if it means we're finding the roadmap to establish goals. If it meant something else, probably not. But you can visit with Jonathan about that city partnership with county regarding encampments on county land to reduce fire, risk. clarify, codify affordability across policies and programs.

[47:04] refresh refresh existing and introduce new racial healing and human rights, relations, relations, tools. explore and align cultural and linguistic competency practices with the Rei and high utilizer program, and then here do them is without expansion of addition. Mental health. Oh, opportunities have a few. That's yeah. That's not bad. sir. Counsel in no exit or order we can visit about these who would like to start? We have a question for a director, but Tina, and then we'll go to Tara. And then, Nicole, I have a question on the analysis of the airport whether it includes decommissioning one of the runways. It sounds like that's an out of the question. Yeah, so, madam, do you mind coming? I'm sure. So you commission. So

[48:17] what we plan to bring forward to council is some more information that would help you make a decision around. If we want to continue to explore airport closure, and part of that information would also include some additional options, because, no matter if we do decide to continue to explore closure, we still have 18 more years of an airport, and so in that in those 18 years there will be options to maybe mitigate impacts or help us. Help us have more sustainable funding, but continue to operate the airport locally without fa dollars. So that information will be included in the information that we're bringing forward in July. Does that help

[49:01] question on a different sticky, but don't know if we should stay with airport I'm gonna stay with airport for a minute. Anyone else have clarifying questions on the airport sticky mark. You know. I mean, we've gotten a lot of feedback asking for some review of the housing potentials there. wondering, is there something that is less than a major study, more like a conceptual study of what those potentials are. Otherwise, I'm not sure what we're deciding to do. If we're doing it in the vacuum, it makes a little less sense to. We may not able to go down that path. We may not desire to go down that path. but I think people are very interested in. If we could, if we did. what could that look like? And and again, not a a super formal

[50:00] study of every aspect of housing there. But just sort of a general discussion. What? Some of those potentials? So, yeah, I under, yeah, I understand the question. I think the from a work plan standpoint for this year. It would be challenging to fit in even just a high level conceptual analysis around what housing kind of could be accommodated at the airport, and I, and that certainly would be a next step. I think our hope is that we can get some clarity from Council in July and that July timeframe of do we wanna continue to head down this road exploration? It doesn't mean in July. Yes, we're closing the airport. It's that, are we continuing down this road? And if if the desire is that we continue to explore it, then I think that would be that would be one of the next steps. We that would probably be a 2025 work plan. Item, because there are other pieces that we'll have to continue to work on, and that would be one of them.

[51:06] Exactly exactly any other questions on the airport item. Okay, Tina, I'm gonna give everyone a one bite of the apple, and I'll come back to you for your second one. Tara in regards to the underpasses. Can you read that one more time? So can pedestrian slash bike, tab and underpass design and save the enhancements. Joe's going to join me for this. You'll notice. Team effort on sticky, too. There, see, there's 2 colors. and I would say, if a group effort feel free to come on up alright, Mister, what's your question, Tab? My question is, is, in regards to looking at lighting, looking at, working with the arts community. What? Exactly what? Exactly do you mean that it's on our work plan? And do. I just say I don't want to have a priority that's over. I don't want it to priority, so that I'm just trying to get quiet, but not put you on the spot.

[52:07] Sure that. And that's a good question to start with. And, by the way, I'm Joe Tedi, I'm the utilities director. Our department does a lot of the cleanup work associated with unsanctioned camping and underpasses are definitely a topic of interest for our team and for the community because of safety. And so we have had ongoing discussions about certain measures that we could take. I know Natalie and the transportation maintenance team did some painting with light later colors last year, and we we saw that that had some positive effect, and we have talked on our own about adding lighting and other things like that. So I don't know that it's explicitly in the work plan as as something you could point to. And it's obviously what you're talking about. But we have some of those same measures in mind that you're suggesting. And I think we could easily build the program.

[53:10] probably cover some things in 2024, and add it to the 2025 port. And Natalie and I talked, and I, and we think that if we just took a few under process at a time, and kind of did a year to year program. It would be manageable and wouldn't break the bank. So that's yeah. And I'll just add it just as a reminder. Last year we did turn on the underpa, the like, the underpass that have lighting. We turn those on 24 7. That was about a $30,000 increase to our budget, and we also retrofitted. We took the opportunity to just retrofit all of our underpass lights to led at that time. So where things are at with our underpass lighting is really kind of what we can do within our constrained budget. Thank you. And so I I think we would be looking. Joe and I have talked when we think about what we could do in the next 2 years around our underpasses. It would really be looking at, you know, painting or art, and there would be maybe opportunity for lightning, but that would be, probably one of the lower

[54:24] opportunities. Okay, yeah. So then, we don't need to put it on the work plan. Is that what you're saying? Or we do mean to elevate it to a priority. Yeah, that's fine. I think we could make it more explicit in our own staff work plan that works for with Cmo and others, and and so you wouldn't necessarily have to assign and cancel, probably. Yeah, to that other questions I promise on this, on Tisha. On this? Nothing. And I think this goes to just if it's already something that's on the work plan. Just the reporting right in the reporting frequency and type will, I think, will be very helpful. So yeah, something to remind ourselves yesterday.

[55:08] So, Natalie, if we wanted to add more lighting sooner, would that be more of a budgetary decision than a work plan priority it would. We would need to look at some, you know. What are some opportunities where we could th, the the kind of technical constraint is, we could add lighting on the outside of what exists today with our underpasses. But that puts just a pretty big burden on staff from a maintenance perspective, because it's more likely to be vandalized. It's really challenging for us to go back and retrofit and add conduit into the concrete. That would be a pretty massive capital project that we don't funding for so some practical obstacles, but wouldn't work. We could make some preference. I do understand our budget is constrained, but we could come back to me to the budgetary process.

[56:01] I I would add to it. Now, we said, the the under passes and the multi use pass have multiple different purposes, and certainly the path itself and the transportation and recreation benefits. But they're also flood in drainage way components of our what utility system. So again, Natalie and I have been talking about how we fund things and how parking may have some some options council anything else on that item? Hey, Nicole? I have a general question about this new process, and then I have one specific question. The general question is, there are some things on that wall, but I wouldn't expect it to be on that an opportunity to ask questions about that perfect. But my question for this specifically is that I was wondering if that could speak to the human rights tools and just explain a little bit more about what that is, what we can expect if you want to. And and actually, I was really excited to see this, and thanks for bringing that up.

[57:19] on the particular the Human Rights Board. Now this is a conversation Amy, has brought up, and we've been having, and thank Elizabeth. You've been having that conversation with them as well, and along the CIO the Human Rights ordinance hasn't been looked at in quite a long time, actually and as we've been thinking about it had conversations, and in fact, we've had conversations with the Hrc. About shifting the Commission under equity and belonging. I don't think that we as a city, I I think they've been doing a great job under Hhs. But I don't know we as a city where it is. We have leveraged the Hrc. And sort of the breadth and scope that we could just

[58:06] as it has been living under Hhs, not because not not anybody's fault, really. But you really could be leveraging that Hrc. In many, many different ways. And as we have been thinking about, particularly with minimum wage possibly coming on the horizon. There are many different ways to think about it, and we wanna be broader in that scope. I have been become a convert, Amy. To thinking about equity and belonging in much broader ways. and as we have started in the city with racial equity. really thinking more broadly about belonging and equity in much broader terms. I believe today she was thinking and speaking to that in first state medicine. So really thinking about and and thinking about the ways in which, Amy, and frankly, the equity investors have been thinking about. Our Lgbtq communities, about belonging and thinking about the affinity groups in much broader ways with people with disabilities accessibility. We've been doing a lot of work in that area. I love the affinity groups and how that has

[59:15] frankly captured the attention of our organization. And thinking about the racial equity polls. I appreciate, some of the learnings that Patience brought forward from Nlc. And know that some of the So the racial healing tools that you have thought of are sort of already incorporated in our racial equity plan already, and so wanting to broaden that and and really disseminate that more broadly in our organization. I am sure I have not spoken to that as eloquently as Amy does. So I'll shift over to Amy. yeah, perfect. So it sounds like it's kind of a mix of internal sending focus to work with our staff. Our culture here as well as a little bit extra work.

[60:07] too, is that I would say most of the focus has has has been internal, but I would be remiss, and saying that I think a lot of the work. I think Amy's team has been tagged, and maybe you'll know better than I will has actually been tagged to do a lot of work with our external partners. I know Amy has been tagged to do some work with. See? You has been tagged to do work with the Chambers has been tagged to a variety of work with our external partners. Yep. Hot Seat. Oh, that's absolutely correct. So Amy Kane, equity officer for the city. I used to see her pronouns. And yeah, absolutely everything that nerys and things very on point with the city's equity work really started initially. Internally right. You got your own household where you can start going into other spaces. And with that being said, there's no way to keep it out of community, and all the work that we all do collectively is really the stewards of democracy.

[61:15] including the people in that work. And so yes, we've been participating for partnering more in particular boulder, and then also with our partners at the chamber, some of the programming that we're standing up with our and with our business equity programming that's coming down the pike. That's going to be very externally focused. The work that we do with community connectors and residents in conjunction with our communication and engagement department. That's all external work. And so, and also utilizing the racial equity instrument right like coming to you all with projects, policy decisions, that tool being more robustly utilized and to the point with the Nlc for a framework.

[62:02] technically, we do have that already woven within our racial equity plan. And yet it's not showing up in spaces with the utilization of our racial equity instrument as it could be. And so really, leaning into that space, I think, is the next iteration of that work. And I really thank you, council members. I need Adams for bringing that lifting that up in the way locally, really bringing that up because we've got a lot of work to do in this space. This isn't a type of work that's ever one and done. It's always an evolution, and it's always a learning process. We're excited. Other questions on this one I would just, you know, always lift up accountability. So my Uah is that we've got tons of great policies, but they're not enforced, and they're not resourced, and they're not. And so therefore they might as well not exist. So that's why it works a lot. Because I've seen that come and go. If it's not a part of a package of. Okay, we set the policy, how we're gonna make sure it's resource, how we're gonna make sure it's monitored. Yeah, enforced. And so you know, the acknowledgement again and again and again. I'm getting half the story, or just the part that's convenient and not the whole story, the full picture, the full policy. So that's where I just.

[63:17] I'm curious again about how we, ensuring that we're holding ourselves accountable. And then how does the community hold us accountable to what we've said in our policies. Thanks. Gary. So minus about the parking. And Tdm, so who wants to come up and be in the? We have to stop calling at the Hotspot. This is like an interrogation. Like to join us for a friendly. It's the garden. It's the garden of 5 days. It's me, too. Yes. so just when we having a saying, what do you mean by elevating, elevating it? In part to make sure that the removing of parking minimums was on the tables. One of the things that we're considering, but the other bit is just to make sure that it didn't.

[64:19] They did off of the work plan, and you get replaced by everything. So do you think is this doable within the next 12 to 1820 months? In fact, if we don't put on the top priority uses, it's still gonna get done the next couple of years. Yeah. So I've not had the chance to introduce myself. So thank you for that. I'm Brad Brad Muller, Director of Planning and Development services. And I think we redirected okay. we do have this on work plan. There we are really seeing it as a comprehensive approach to. In fact, we've struggled with the name. But there's really parking should be in the name.

[65:00] It's really a 3 legged stool that is looking at all of the traditional elements that are part of zoning related to off street parking. So that's your parking minimums. Maximum. How many days? How many anecdotes, those types of things? it's also looking up at a video model. Historically, that's been an option that's available for applicants. We have found that in the last couple of years, applicants for new development, that is. we have found that applicants are always doing that. So we want to give them more direction. Give them more options, give them more results based ideas of how that can be approached in a more systematic way. And then the third part is looking at. The neighborhood parking program. Traditionally, as you all know, council members. That's been a reaction of some sort to increase parking in an area, whether it should talk or downtown

[66:03] for the university. Is there an opportunity to turn that on its head and ask the question of, How can this prospectively be used? That opens up any other questions, of course. As well. We already have a task force team defined across the 3 departments for that. And I think. while we haven't scoped it completely. Yet I think we're somewhere in the 18 to 20 month range. Thankful. So in other words, yes. yes, alright. But the additional exposure and so forth. So yeah, canceling other questions. Thank you. Brad, and just just to confirm. So we should expect on the off street minimums to at least have a chance to look us. Excuse me, scenario, to eliminate parking now.

[67:03] thank you alright. Anything else. Alright! Did you need these 2? Brad? Your excuse from the imaginarium. Yes. So mine's regarding the vision 0 action plan. And I think that was meant to be encompassing, probably some extent whether it be permissive left, right on red some of those pieces that I touched on there. And so my question really is, I know, in the work plan. There's, you know, 560 total projects. They're they top projects by department. And so I just sort of wanna get confirmation that the items within the vision 0 action plan. And I know you have. December 30, first, 2020 parts off the specific date. We're not gonna hold you to that but I love the specific cause. I definitely wanna so. You know, I put those items in my work plan in a similar state for Aaron, just to kind of get that that just sort of anchored confirmation that that this is coming to us, and in light of some of the other priorities that are going to impact your department, that should we embark on some of those? Do you see the action, the vision, 0 action plan implementation

[68:15] really being anchored because it's really for work plan. Or do you see it sliding or falling off? Given some of the other priorities that that may be impacting your department. So I think, related to the signal practices. Work. I don't think that's going to shift. That'll continue we've already started a lot of work. Somewhat related to just this interaction items in this kind of bucket of really like our standards and the way that we're conducting ourselves from our speed limit setting to pedestrian crossing treatment guidelines. And then the next kind of item for us is the signal practices. Work. I think. What's important to hear from counsel is if there's a desire for there to be a policy discussion related to signal practices, then we just need to have have clear guidance around that. Otherwise we really would treat it as engineering judgment and the technical exercise.

[69:11] And I think it makes sense. If councils interested in in banning right. Turn on red or banning. Miss it less. There's trade offs associated with those things from the engineering perspective. We probably wouldn't land in a place of Banning, and so, I think, soon be a policy conversation there. And that would be good to know if that's desired. But otherwise it's going to happen work plan this year, and it will potentially, if you're if we're adding in a policy conversation, it will extend the timeline in the scope of the project, because naturally, that just sure I and I guess my question is, I don't know what the end result of some of that work is, and that might get really close to the desired impact that the banning of permissive left might have. And so but for me it maybe it falls really short of a policy expectation. So I'm just wondering. it might seem premature to decide it now. But is there a way to sort of reserve the right as we get along that process, and we hear some of that review, we might say, you know what this actually might be. A little bit of extra juice in terms of a policy decision. And so I'm just versus. I think it's premature to decide now, because what you you determine work, they cover most of what we're looking for. So that's why I'm sort of struggling with how how to land here. Yeah, I think along the way. So we're coming to council, and next week, right to talk about business or action plan.

[70:27] We'll share some information about what's on the work plan this year related to this item, and then we can continually, you know, keep you guys as we move forward. Work. do we foreclose? And I say this in general with colleagues. If we don't, if we don't sort of say, Hey, there's a policy to skip the session to be had. Now do we foreclose that option when we get further down the road with vision 0 action plan. And maybe it was. Oh, maybe we do need that. because again, that's just hard thing to decide at this point without have. You know, we're learning about it next week. So it's it seems like we got the part for the horse a little bit. I I would say this like right? It it happens at some point that you may want to notify for any work plan. Item, it's not that it can occur in the future, but it will depend on staff capacity. So if council priorities that you choose now

[71:20] has count has staff capacity fill filled up, then that will. Then you'll have to have that conversation about a trade off. Then, if Vision Bureau, 6 months down the line, or next year in a place that you wanna take a policy direction and you wanna go in a different direction. You'll have Natalie coming at you and say, Well, now, I've got. We gotta have a different conversation. It's the same thing. Frankly, that would happen if there's a Pngs item that you wanna put on the table because the opportunity has come up. Legislation has happened that now you wanna take a stance on something, whatever that may be, that requires some work from Pnd.

[72:01] You may have to. Now come back and take a stand. So it's you can always add work to the work plan. It just means something has to come off, so I would never say you fore close the opportunity. It just means something has to come up. So I think this is absolutely a values laden area of work. Question how dangerous is safe? I mean, this political. It's definitely policy oriented. At the same time, I'm I'm confident. left with asking this department to move forward. I'm just thinking of a little bit on it. It's more my mind than an engineering decision, although maybe that question is a little bit comparing. But anyway, I'm comfortable, moving forward, recognizing that I'll be very interested in looking at the public health aspects of this from a values perspective. There may be some policy that we come back to. Just so you're not blindsided by it. Okay, great. Mark has one. Then how you should go.

[73:12] Is it? Is this an appropriate time for me to ask questions about? Stay on this one for first, and then we'll go back this. Okay, please. All. I just go back to the reporting frequency. So then we don't fall off. And again, I think this could be eventually reconciled by the dashboard that is being put together and just making sure that we're constantly referencing, and have those set times, because you know to the point, like we can't just wait for a second session to have this information. And you know I mean just having some more frequency and expectations around when we discuss things would be very helpful. Thank you. at least. Still there. So I'll ask another one. You know my different subject on here. No, we're not gonna let you do that because it's other people. If we prioritize it, does it happen faster, or is it? There's somebody who reports to this that we just have to wait for everybody to get on board.

[74:09] That's you that answer my question that you're answering. So now the question has been answered, and I would know, what's the question. Okay? Great. Okay? So I'll make sure. Okay, so how utilize this program? What we can say as far as the work plan. Item. we know that a high utilizers. Collaboration of inter agency groups will continue to be throughout 2,024, to identify ways, to deliver services more efficiently and share data that much as a given that will continue. That doesn't require any additional council prioritization. The big thing is the high utilizers program proposed program, which is one that we bring council.

[75:21] and on that one we are in a fundraising stage where we have to identify how to raise about 5.2 million for the first year 2 million for the second year. Essentially, it's a power program. That part is in a stage of developed. So we're trying to identify both the process by which we will use to solicit funds both from different public sources. Whether that be, they can request the Council going to the State seeking a Federal earmark, asking the county for money, but then pretty much going to private sector foundations, individuals.

[76:01] That that isn't an area where you know what I can't, I cannot promise to you is that we will have succeeded in the fundraising within a year. So there is an uncertainty there, and certainly a council. I I don't wanna suggest that it needs to move to prioritization. Or 1 one thing that it would add to it is an indication that would support, perhaps a save money contribution from the city, which could be which could make it easier for us to get additional funds. Does that answer. Your question sounds to me like I should yesterday. I think you will. The Council will be asked to prioritize the program either through the budget process, and certainly having that list of priorities helps kind of

[77:04] indicate where councils at on that, what type of funding is it for the development work and some small received money. There's some work going on right now to identify potentially a development consultant to help with that. We're hoping that cost is shared. And that's all of our original partners. But the city will have to play a funding role, I think, having a gauge on our councils, app will be important. We can certainly have that conversation during the budget process, but it will be had at some point. That we're talking about with this that will be served by this 5 million dollar initial investment and 1 million dollar thereafter. Sorry. 2 million annually afterwards. And I, yeah. So how many people are we talking about? So we have a high utilizers between. They're 45 individuals. Okay, it is an evolving list. So in any given year some people are taken out of homelessness, for both homelessness and others are added to it. But that's about the amount that we're like now. Okay, and just some quick math. Then on. So 5 million dollars, divided by 40 is $125,000. And so I just want us to be like super clear on

[78:21] this level of investment. I just think of our families experiencing homelessness and how much we're investing in them. And it's not in. It's not a fresh Olympics. It's just so. That's why I would love it to be a priority, because I do believe that we have some more conversation and thinking to do around that going on. I'm just gonna add some context to this, just

[79:06] a actually the intensive wraparound services that would be designed for this specific community. Sorry, Carl, I'm just gonna clarify that just said it does include mental health services. Why, it was over here was initial scoping as presented by Aaron. I think it just was yours was that it was added with additional support, mental health. So what it was scoped for was, as with the with the current wraparound services. But it wasn't scoped with additional mental health. That was what was gonna move it to a council priority as written with with just more okay, so the way. And then you. the group that's doing this work would recognize the optimal amount of meta mental health services. For is that it is, it does have mental health services.

[80:02] They could have more, I suppose, if people 2 2 pieces of context, I know T. Should brought up the sort of what the cost per person is, and so the running number right now is. costs roughly about 65 or 67,000 per year on the status quo. So right? So discriminal justice, not the rest of services. So you know that cost analysis. The the other piece that that may anchor a little bit is, is the city has already submitted through Cds request to the Congressional discretion we're spending on more acronyms. For about 3 million dollars. So so the cities already, I mean, we're already going forward trying to make this happen. So it's kind of already prioritized, because I would imagine that if we get that money from our Senators and and and our Congressman. we probably need to use it for that very thing. It's it's not an open brand, right? So so I think that kind of anchors us and commits us to that work in that sense. So I think that's so. I that's why I'm not understanding. Does it need to be moved over here because we're pretty much doing that work and going all in on it and in its current stage. I I don't know. I mean, that's

[81:18] if it remained over here on the we're on it list versus coming over here as a potential priority. so it it's it's a matter of signalling support, and potentially we would get, we would be able to leverage the council priority as additional additional fundraising leverage if you will, for partners. So I think there is power in that ability. If that's the way we could do it. We could council could support through letters of support even if it weren't account priority, so we could do it either way. But certainly, if it were a council priority place on the dashboard, and we could leverage and show it that way, it would add additional strength. But Aaron and Mark have thoughts on that.

[82:06] Alright so we know that housing first is a try is a tripod of house and human, sorry human mental health and physical health and employment. And so I'm just curious in this program where this is the employment aspect, because that seems to be the weakest part of our trial. So let me answer a couple of things with the introduction, Kurt, for remember, thank you and I support the Department of Services. so if if I could also answer a previous question of yours a little bit more as well about the the significant cost in in year one. So the biggest portion of that cost is it's a investment when creating the actual intakes needed for those

[83:01] people can reside in the next program. And typically, it takes 3 to 5 million dollars to create that type of housing. But it's housing in perpetuity as well. So it's you can. You could amortize that over forever. And so it's a. It's a real investment in the community as well, not just the individuals that serving and then the I'm sorry. What was your second question for that? I didn't have a question about one step, the money I actually how much money we're using? I didn't have a question about that. I actually had the question about the employment aspect of of the of the high utilizer, because I'm hearing a lot of emphasis on mental health and housing, which again, you know, are critical. But the research is very clear that employment and workforce development is also absolutely essential. So I'm curious, how does this opportunity also help us to strengthen in an area that we know

[84:05] is that it's currently not as strong, so sort of as you. You indicated that the housing first approach really is getting people into housing so they can receive comprehensive services, you know, towards success. And employment is part of it. But it typically comes a little bit later. It's it's it will. It will be part of our base service program as well. And so it's. It's sort of a something that occurs probably a little bit further on in in the program. So just point of clarification, there will be an employment element to this work. Yes, thank you. Aaron. So what I'm wondering is to what extent we can combine some similar things, because we have at least a couple over here on the wall behind you heather that could overlap a utilizer program or an emphasis on a utilizer. For example, like the encampment to house a little public safety, similar population, you know, for services. So how are we led that discussion?

[85:16] We can do that after we get through all the clarifying questions on these. And then there's we're going to clarifying questions on these, and then I'm gonna give you some time to sort of look up here, and then you can have that conversation. Thank you for that. Did you have thought on this before. So if there is that policy, discussion needs to happen more in depth. I think it should be happening sooner rather than later, because of the community's concerns about what's going on throughout the community with our on house population, especially mental health part of this program. Mark. Yeah. Well, the analysis of this program

[86:00] also. Generally, I know it's going to be sustainably fine. It's been that we're reaching out for brands. Yeah. So couch cushions, whatever after year one. Will we have a good understanding of what it's going to be prior to moving forward? 2, 3, 5, Nicole, are you asked, answering that question, or you had a similar question. No, my, my question is, what what is that to you? So if if I could add a little bit to that. So some of these, some of this program support, I believe, will come through other agencies. Either through Boulder County or health partners who are part of this collaborative work. So some of it could could fit under their

[87:01] ongoing organizational budgets. There's there's also push within some of our programs now. to become more aligned to receive support through Medicare and Medicaid activities. And that's that's real key for the sustainability of some of this. I think a little bit to that. I I think part of the the whole proposal is that whether it's through Federal earmark or whatever source that we're able to get some seat money, demonstrate some success which would which could result in in cost savings and other programs that our partners would be experiencing. And that's kind of demonstrating success that they would be able to invest towards a permanent program. And some of this is kind of funded as you go with figuring out a permanent funding source. And so the initial focus and correct me wrong team is trying to get that seed money to get the program to get the housing built program stood up and hopefully through your demonstrated success along the way. Our Partners City, as one of the partners would be identified. Private funding over that period of time which would, you know, be out few years?

[88:20] as a new and essentially experimental program? Is there a period of time you are checking for that experiment to show good results. Yeah, we we have spoken about without formally agreed that perhaps, like a 3 year period might be incorporated. Nicole. And then, Ryan, are you on the topic or something else? So I'm still trying to understand that answer. Well, the answer I'm looking for is really short and simple. But give me a few extra words. So Bloomberg cost us 3 million dollars. We house 40 people from my understanding there's no extra. That's it was one time 3 million dollar cost for that. Everything else is kind of taken care of. Thank you. Whatever else, when you're on help. So

[89:09] I'm trying to figure out what's different. But this one requires 200 like it's $300 plus 2 million dollars, and that 2 million dollars potentially ongoing. What's what's different? What's the service like? Is it? Will we not have the same concern? How do we want to protect people and uber there were. bloomberg certainly has a number of very challenging for individuals with a lot of challenges. The high utilizers, I think. be another level about that as far as the the number of challenges, and probably having more interactions with the justice system. Not that some of Bloomberg didn't but the these individuals we know.

[90:05] will require sort of more direct behavior health services on a very regular basis. And and for some of them. It will require more significant. substance. Use treatment. As as part of that as well. Because I have the housing with reference services simply isn't enough for some individuals. What's going on with it right now is working to get us to where, where we have everything is that correct? And so, if we take no action. it's moving forward. I would be working on getting extra support services in place for people. It's it's on its way back works. It's on its way. And I think we're we're part of this discussion. And you know, maybe a little bit later, right is

[91:06] is this tie? It's council, and I have a broader discussion about how this is tied into the other things, as as Aaron suggested. Do you want to perhaps lift it up for the purposes of giving us some leverage and fundraising? Or are you comfortable with the plan as we've outlined it? And we continue down this path of hopefully being able to to hold together the funding sources as we present it few months. But so I think those are some of the options. So once we get through the clarifying questions on both walls, and then we'll break for lunch, and at lunch you could talk to each other members of council or visit with staff. and say, we'd like to sort of make a new stick, combine reframe, etc, etc. What are you taking your back? I think lunch might be too late. If we get through every question it might be. We'll see, and I I will not make you sit here. I'm sorry. I just decided. You have to sit here and tell me.

[92:05] And so we break at noon, irrespective of where we are. Okay, cool. And then, if you have questions, you can also visit the directors. Alright. I have several people who I have questions on different stickies, and I haven't heard from Ryan, so we'll go, Ryan, Tina, and then Matt was like you had another one, too. and Laura's got it at. Oh, fantastic! So go, Ryan. And then, Lauren. Thank you. I don't know just a few part of my questions from the scope of climate initiative to check on so

[93:09] I think I think mistaken, points out to an update on targets. And so does that mean mitigation targets? And we're gonna also need resilience or just transition or any other targets in the scope. Yeah, thanks for the question. So I I'll start by saying the existing targets that we have right now, community wide. We're codified by council in October of 2,021, there was a resolution. Who's done to do that? And so what we're contemplating is looking at kind of expanding that scope. So I I think if Council has an interest in actually tightening up or reframing or refining some of the existing targets that would be good to know but what's in scope right now is to look at some expansion, to think about. How would we evaluate some of our work around climate justice and around resilience, and adding those in and kind of packaging. So we have a more complete and holistic view of what we're trying to accomplish, you guys. Great. So that could be his, but without to work like wherever

[94:03] very good. So keep going. Just a couple more. Alright cool. I was asking for a a focus on some deeper operationalization of climate missions and decision making as part of my priority proposal. Is that anything like that? Possibly in scope? If I if I understand what you're asking, I would say that is not the scope on this particular item that's over on that sticky right there. And the reason I answer that way, Ryan, is that traditionally, when we think about a climate action plan, it's more community day focused. And so it's really looking at. What are our goals? What are our strategies to achieve those goals? What's the possible roadmap to get from here to there? And so what you're describing is more of an internal process, and I wouldn't say that that's what's being contemplated in a broader update. With respect to kind of our climate action planning effort here, locally we, as a I think, as a staff team, need to spend a little time understanding and packing what it is you're asking for what that might look like, how that kind of interfaces across various departments, how that changes decision making.

[95:11] So I think that's a bigger work plan. Item that I wasn't necessarily contemplating here. Great. And that's 2 things to check on. I'm very interested in a more formal organized annual reporting to City Council to make more of a public organized check in on our strategic planning issues any chance that might be part of the work to consider it. It is right. And I, what I want to say about that is annually. We do a couple of things. First of all, we issue our greenhouse gas inventory. We issue our fleet and facilities inventory, our consumption based inventory. And we don't spend much time. Kind of levelizing that with council. So you can understand, like, what what do we accomplish during the year? Factors that kind of led to success? What are some of our pitch points and challenges. And where are we going next? In terms of making sure that we're staying on that roadmap to achieve what we need to achieve. And so we have started talking about what that would look like on a more regular cadence with Council and the community. The other piece that I want to mention here, too, is that when when we think about the climate plan, update.

[96:18] what I don't want to suggest is if we're going to just redo what we've always done. Because there are a number of things that we want to look at differently. First of all, not just the kind of technocratic way to achieve these goals. But there's a process to engage people in a more meaningful way. To really understand what people need and how they want to interface and how we make programs accessible to everybody. And how do we make sure that when we think about a climate action plan, are we contemplating the disproportionate impacts that climate has in our community. So those are different dimensions of a traditional climate action plan. And that's what we've been scoping right now and starting to kind of wade into. I know that's not a direct response to your question which could have been just. Yes, we do want to go the council, more frequently very excited about hearing from your team on

[97:12] propose changes your your wish. List. Here are things that the city Council went out with policy changes with. Could that fit in something that's already in flight? At risk of phoning a brand which I'm looking at, Mr. Grab, you or I don't think you need to. You wanna get up. Come on up. That's fine. I think one of the things I wanted to acknowledge and recognize is this great partnership between my department and others, particularly Brad and his team, starting to look at the whole suite of regulation and code that we have at our disposal and starting to Orient, perhaps in a way that has the reaches, the outcomes that we're seeking. or at least this I hear you saying that you're seeking. So Brad and I have had some conversation. But I really wanna stress there is a lot, I think, on Brad's plate right now, and with his team to be very thoughtful about how we start reorganizing and reorienting and recalibrating some of our code. I think there are a few big things that we want to be thinking about the Bowler Valley Comp plan being a really important one coming up.

[98:08] But through this partnership that we've had now for a while, particularly over the past year on the energy Code. Looking at the building code, looking at the work program. Item that you see already around the body carbon. I think there was some. There's an acknowledgement that Council is interested in looking at some landscape landscape code changes and updates for different outcomes. And so, Brad, I just wanted to give you an opportunity to, you know. Save me from saying something that I should have So I'm I'm gonna speak to this a little bit, Brian, about the one of the other particular ones there, and that's the embodied carbon initiative. But I'll back up a little bit and say that we did deliberately, as 2 teams develop a charter between the departments this last 6 or 8 months deliberately, because, not because we weren't working together, not because it needed fixing, but just to really emphasize ourselves into the teams about the interdependence of all these types of actions.

[99:08] And the reason I mentioned the embodied energy is, we really wanna make sure that we're taking a look at that as a initiative and not just through the lens of what's the next code we can add. We wanna here, there's another 3 legged stool of codes. You know, we we do need to have the stick available, so to speak. But but we also want to make sure that we're looking at education and initiatives. and also enforcement, because, as somebody said in a different context, earlier, Asia can give you, you know, whatever rule we put on in whatever context, in whatever department is only as good as our ability to enforce on that. And that gets tricky because some of these items that we're talking about. Are not universally measured yet. There's not a standard approach many of you or all of you have seen that Edward Stafford's gonna be leaving, leaving us. But Edward has as part of the organization. He's going to be

[100:12] joining the American society of Civil Engineers. They are looking to develop the standard of what embodied energy actually means, so that there's some consensus around that, so that we can both measure it and then enforce it. And I can elaborate further. But that's just an example of how we are operationalizing that, that's all. So I I lifted up this piece around the 2,01620 17 plans and talked with you previously about that anything that is on my plans. I've talked to the departments about. So I just wanna level set on that and and align the boards and commissions and the community members as well. So those were not for not. And there was real intentionality around, trying to lift up things that were on the on the city, wide plan, recognizing that things can't happen by stabbing by staff alone.

[101:08] and that the more you know the broader our course. So the question that I have is if you could speak to some of the conversation that we had around. The the updates to the plans, and that particular opportunities that we have to kind of draw in some of the other departments and be more explicit, similar to the work that you've done, because, you know, it's the right thing. Do. But again, as we're kind of broadening it out to the larger community. Do you see some opportunities for stronger relationships between, you know? Housing and human services, for example, and our climate initiatives? Sorry? Yeah, no, thanks, Tisha. I appreciate the question. And you and I had a I think, a great conversation about kind of the evolution of our locally based climate work. And I wanna start by just acknowledging, I think, the strength I that I see behind you, and climate action is not something that is born nor directed by one department. It's something that is embedded throughout this entire organization, the community. And I, when I say I look, I look to the folks in this room who have really really embraced and are true champions of of

[102:17] of our climate work as a community. And so it it isn't that we are doing? It's how do we continue to enhance and strengthen and and show those synergies and opportunities? And that's really exciting to me. And so we've been able to find really, really great points of intersect across all of our departments. The challenges is, there's always a trade off conversation in terms of how do you lead? And what does that look like, and how you organize and resource and all of the things? And so the opportunity that I wanna just be direct with you on is that one of the things we did talk about is really starting to lift up and start to give flight to our resilience work more broadly. And so I know that there were some comments that you have about aligning kind of our existing climate work updating that. You may have noticed that a reboot of our overall city wide resilience strategy is on our work plan. We want to be very thoughtful about how we move into that space, because resilience again touches all departments in a really really deep way. So making sure that we are coming at that.

[103:17] and a very holistic approach. I I don't think that that's going to get done this year. That's a constant journey, but I think we can start really scoping and determining what that can look like, and bring that to council in a way that you can start to see how those things kind of stitch together. And how it really does start to bring in info in all of the departments. So I hope hopefully that answered your question. and let's see, we could bang out one more for lunch. Lauren. Zoning for sustainability. I know you've kind of already started to talk on that a little bit with the carbon measure capturing, measuring. I was wondering. So I had a number of very specific items in my list. Around

[104:04] trying to achieve higher levels of sustainability through sort of carrots rather than sticks. And so is that. would that work be included in what is currently visions? Yes, what and how that looks like exactly is still in that sweeping phase. But that is philosophically, very much. The intention that's gets back to the 3 legged stool that I kind of describe of. Let's make sure we're looking at a program if I can use that. or for embodied carbon. That is not just about regulations. But it's about incentives, it's about education, it's about enforcement. so I think philosophically, that aligns. But but if there's more more remotes that we need to be considering. and I have like 4 pretty clear bullet points about what I wanted to have included to that project, and

[105:07] if we don't raise it as a work plan. I I won't be surprised down the line if I'm like. So this includes that thing, and you're like, no, that would apply to be a work plan. Ask. yeah, just to to point to some of those that looking at them again things like zoning changes, building code changes storm water code changes. Those types of things, I think, really speaks to the holistic nature of it, and only if you disagree. But I think I think that's our commitment between the teams. Thank you. Okay. So lots of people have what the the one more and so the first that I saw on the one more list. Was Tina, and then Nicole. And then Matt and Lauren's got another. Who else has another one more? Okay, just a couple. Okay, so it's gonna be fine. And then but we'll break at noon. And then just on those yeah, that was, there's about this whole situation.

[106:07] Please go ahead. Sorry, and it was just around, you know, as this work is kind of coming through. We talked a lot about the inter departmental efforts. Will we also be hearing about the community partnerships that are ongoing? Because I know there's very simple conversations with indigenous groups with climate justice groups that are informing our work. Will we have an opportunity here about that, as well as part of the standard of what's going on. Yes, thank you. And and thanks for asking that question. So just so, everybody heard, just to make sure that we're also including all of the community based voices and thinking about how we're moving forward based on action. And any updates that we're doing. Yes, there, obviously, when I said climate action, it's not just one department. It's not just our organization either. It's all this ecosystem of all of the organizations and individuals in our community. They play such a viable. So yes, that would be part of any update or any conversation that we have.

[107:05] Yeah, I just confirm that there'll be a strong youth force in that. There you go. Okay, for a second, are you? Good? Okay. So my second round list is fairly long. I have on it now, Matt Lauren. Mark anyone else, Nicole. I fill my question about the demo. So that's definitely where that would come right? Right? Yeah, that's a whole separate thing. Yep. But do you also still have a question, some of those? Okay, thank you. Alright. Alright, Matt. Let's see if we have 5 min, and it was a oversight on mine not to touch on this with reverse the airport, because I was focused on the thoughts that were happening. So sorry, Natalie. Sorry. So this is really pertaining to that book in a row that we have on the decision later this summer, on whether we are or not going to explore

[108:08] closure of the airport right? So as Mark brought up, there was sort of like, well, if we pursue the closure, there's content things we want to then add to that discussion. Well, on the reverse side, if we choose not to close the airport I'm wondering about, you know, infrastructure for unlimited gas, as we know, the Faa is not going to be phasing that into 2020, 30 we we can count on that as far as we could throw a chair. Right? So we'll see. But I'm curious. We still have major environmental concerns that we wanna maybe look to address. And can we address those ourselves? So the fork in the road is, we are not going to pursue. Close the airport, and we are gonna work on sustaining and and and building that infrastructure. Would something like exploring infrastructure for unleaded gas be something that that fork in the road would entail and encompass as we go forth after make that decision. So yes, I never introduced myself. We are going to pursue on the work plan at some point, eventually, no matter

[109:20] either decision. Right? So with closure without closure. It just changes our options. If if we hear from council that closure is not on the the table, and we're going back to accepting that pay grants. Then we have, you know, ample funding opportunities with the Faa to pursue unlimited fuel. It if closure continues to be on the table. Then we would look to essentially long term leases, and that's something we'll be talking about in July with you. You know we have not been doing long term leases of the 20 to 30 year range right now out at the airport. That would be something. That we would want to a strategy we'd want to employ again. Even if we are pursuing closure and that would give us opportunities to get a variety of fueling types

[110:13] out of the airport in the future, reviewing historic preservation codes my understanding. This is the initial scoping of that was pretty narrow. And so I wasn't sure that that would be able to accomplish creating more predictability or different levels of reservation sort of allowing for more of allowing for a larger percentage of projects to upgrade for wildfire resiliency and energy code. There! There are probably 2 opportunities which I think still keep this over there, but certainly, you know, open to feedback from you and other council members. One is

[111:02] we already do have on the work plan and update to the historic preservation plan which is just due for an update. That's that's the historic preservation equivalent of a comprehensive plan for everybody's benefit. We envision that as giving direction towards code updates as re, and really being the appropriate precursor to that, certainly again happy for feedback. Otherwise, on that in terms of processing and timelines. I I think there might be an opportunity for us to simply provide an update on metrics. We already have. Some of that is misperceived, I think, in the community. And and maybe that's simply an opportunity that would not necessarily need to work. Plan, item, for processing like demolition permits and things like that. Exactly. Yeah. yeah, I think my concern. There is less with the time to process those when they're approved. But what happens

[112:05] if they're not approved and sort of the long drawn out battle with that kind of okay, create afterwards. Yeah. Here again. I I wonder if it's just best to start with an IP or or update in that regard, and and see if there's still what the level of of kind of focus would be on that if if that's acceptable. Okay, that's all for lunch, Mark. This is for Brad, and maybe, gentlemen, I'm and correct me if I'm wrong. I did not hear either of you speak to Lauren's suggestion that we either prioritize or incentivize more sustainable methods of construction. Is that a contemplation?

[113:00] yes, and and you know. and meet Jonathan. It's my time to phone a friend. I I guess our conception. And and again I apologize. If I if I not semi transparent, and answering this about the scope not being defined on that project yet, but a as envision. Accounts. Member. I think we we would see that as being an integral piece to that overall initiative, to the degree that it doesn't cover other aspects that might be recognize. Beyond beyond that, you know. I think it would be important for us to identify those then, as separate items for council there, anything to do legislated in the discount, discourage in the case of companies. That's a very interesting question. here. The other friend Carl in the room might it's, you know. Might might you know we can put that on radar for kind of state level discussions.

[114:03] Yes, we're like, which car, like all the cars, are in the game. Oh, you're good. Alright, thank you. Good, fantastic! 12 o'clock. If you have already in your mind, council members are rescoping or combining of these, please feel free to visit with the department director, so that you're all the same page. Do that during lunch we have a whole half hour like, Wow, if you want to come up here and just have a gander at what's here, and ensure that your idea is here. Please have a look, and then check in with either nurse or the directors. If you feel like it's not how they sort that out. When we come back from lunch we will start with your questions about these. I'm gonna tell you a little bit about these get they're over here for a reason, little special special case here, and then we shall carry out so fantastic morning. Also, before we break right into this cool thing that we do in stakeholders. I don't know if I even noticed it, but it was sweet. He was like, I cannot catch that woman's eye to save my life. And so he just put his little table 10 on its edge like that.

[115:14] That's how we do it with stakeholder groups works great. So if you want to keep catching my eye, that's totally fine. But this is also super cool whatever works for you, which for me I had my head bonus points for you. Alright. Everybody. Lunch. Go say, having to write council, get lunch first and then hop in line. That'd be great. You can tell a bit about it.

[116:30] She? Okay. couple of things before we get into your questions about the items on this wall. I did see many of you talking to directors and and Nuria, and such at the break. So that was great. But one item that I wanted to visit with you about Sarah Huntley named the end of Greg, and she said that Sarah is your understanding that what Staff is already doing on this item is what was intended by, I think, how you said this was your work. One item. Do you agree that what they're already doing is what you were hoping. I agree fantastic. In that case, this goes over here on the official. It's gonna happen, anyway, I have 2 other items

[117:23] over here that I wanted to visit with you about Teresa. Don't care to have had a lovely night's sleep, and then this morning reported. and if there was a not a 5 on title, 2 updates for accessibility and or executive session charter change with a not a 5 needs to just go over and go on to the gonna happen anyway, and don't have to be a priority list. Is that correct? Say a little more about the title 2. Okay, so let me start with the executive session.

[118:00] That's a that that is not a heavy lift and his routine for us to do things that are kind of small bite size coming out of the Charter Committee, and so that didn't feel like something to me that you all would have to name as a priority in order for me to put it in the Ca work plan. So I wanted to let you know that. But I would still need to know that there are at least 5 people who want to move forward that let's pause on that one question. Great question first, Tina, and this is to move forward with it, but have the option to not be published with it later, in case we feel there are too many things on the ballot that might. Yeah, it's a really good question. that's right. What what this would be would And and I guess we was not here today. But we could talk more about. Do you want me to draft it and then see? Or do you guys want to make a decision once you have a whole sleight of things together about what you do and don't want drafted. And so but but that's right there. This is only an initial decision point. There's a second and even third big decision point

[119:18] on anything that would go for election couple of cut, clarifying questions, Lauren. And then that we have that may not right, or what a council meeting, where we will be discussing what the Charter Committee put together in terms of things that might be on the ballot and trying to get knots of 5 for that house when it's badly again. So which might be a good time to have the conversation. Lauren on our chart committee. Are you already pursuing this among as a committee? Item that you would be bringing to us anyway? And so is our ask redundant to the work that you're pro perhaps already pursuing in commute in in committee.

[120:12] It's one of the things we looked at. There was a split recommendation that you will see in our packet on this item. So I guess to reframe a little bit. I think that for that item in particular, the conversation could punt to to May ninth, and that if if Council decides it wants to take that up, it does not happen to be a work plan. We'll trust our committee to bring us recommendations and go forth. So the title to update for accessibility what we're talking about here is the traffic engineer definition. And this came out of one of Brian's priority ideas.

[121:00] So the traffic engineer definition currently, as Ryan stated yesterday, focuses a lot on items that assume vehicular transportation. So we would make an amendment to the definition of travel engineer to include language around accessibility and multimodal forms of transportation. That would not has to be a big list. If it's narrow, it's scoped in that way. So with a nod of 5, then you would just move that over there and just get after alright clarifying. What are the thoughts, Nicole? Yup, just clarifying that this is. It's existing separate from everything. So we say yes to this. It has no impact on what students coming West. That's right. This would encounter one of the 10 priorities. Right? Derek. No, I'm saying, yes, let's do. Okay? Great. So any questions

[122:00] cancel, how many support just over the yeah. Just get accurate list of the network that's like, that's an automated concern. Alright, those are the islands that we definitely wanna discuss sounded like. So if you had some questions about these and why they're on this list about that list, Nicole, you brought this up first. I'll come to you in the first one. Yes, just one at a time. Yup, So how about the inbound piece, single family redevelopment and scripts. I was thinking at the last one, saying, Yes, just go ahead, continue that word. So I was just curious about the bad team. Third. Be the director to talk about. Why, that's almost there is. I can go defer to staff whether or not that is on the work, plan and happening or not. impact feeds impact base. Fred. come on down. You are the next contestant on chat with counsel.

[123:06] Yes, Hi, Brad Muller, again. planning and development services. If we are talking about development impact fees, these are fees that are specifically associated in direct proportion to the impact of our services. Community wide relative to new development is my understanding that those have not been updated. Significant. I'm happy for corrections because there have been discussions may. Maybe that's not it. I believe this is about imprison inclusionary housing, cash and new fees for renovations. Can you hear me? That's what we Barbara? Hi, Gwen Kurt. yeah. So including our housing, was updated last fall, however, something that came out of that was looking at

[124:07] a particular housing type where we don't receive any corresponding impact to to housing. And that's either scrapes or large additions to homes. So we have in our budget for this year. To hire a consultant which is a necessary process to do a study of what the impact would be for that type of development. It's separate from inclusionary housing. Because it is a an impact fee. But that's something that we could probably expect really, until later in from here. I think in the third quarter we're looking at getting it worked. Lauren. So does it need to be on this board. Awesome. There is

[125:02] unless you wanted something in addition. I I would just ask Nicole if that's what you were talking about. And then Mark had a question. is that a next study? You do? Yes. okay. So that means this one's popped over to. Oh, that now the tape wants to stick over here. Alright. hey? Next question about the board here. Erin, and then Mark and Nicole's where Nicole is going with things that might go over there. One check in on the move area, 3 plan resorts area to BBC update because, of course, we are undertaking the Abcp Update. We already have the baseline urban services sitting underway. So my understanding is that it will be considering them whether or not to do it, regardless of whether we put it on the workplace. I just want to see. That's Brad or Kj question. That is a hundred percent correct.

[126:07] Alright. Next, I have Mark. Yeah, follow different comment. What seems to me that on the finance probably consolidate those separate items, they're all so part parcel of a financial strategy to raise revenue. and with the staff for your thoughts and consideration on that are those one item of how to raise revenue. Thank you for that. Cards and pod coats. Okay, greater investment in open space management explore, second slash, vacant home tax and revenue strategy and fee site.

[127:01] Cara and Charlotte. What say you? Yes. introduce yourselves. I was gonna chief financial officer, Charlotte Budget Officer. Welcome to the table. We were actually talking to each other when the initial question got asked. sort of Consolidated and contemplated as part of our long term financial strategy work. And you have a single work. Item. Yes, right in the beginning. short term strategies to meet the affordability goals in the transit legislation. So that might be treated differently because it it might exist in its own where? That's fast. That might be something that we lift up. But it's our short term affordability. Strategy

[128:08] noted that that idea was raised to the Charter Committee, and then, just for full council spending. But the Charter Committee, recommended that all of the tax items that were brought to that community be considered by the Financial Strategy Committee. So the Financial Strategy Committee is going to be talking about a few proposals with regard to tax. including my second home slash vacancy tags tomorrow, and then we'll be part of the agenda now for the nice ballot item consideration. But and and we understand that that is something that people want to lift up and possibly talk about. We do. We would, from a staff perspective, recommend that it'd be sort of considered more holistically for the long term financial strategy. And to have like 3 to 5 year ballot. strategic plan. Think about what we might want to put on the balance of people. But we understand it's of interest. And so it is will be discussed on financial strategy committee process.

[129:10] That, answered one of my question. I just asked you other things up there that I thought might fit in as well. Tina, we just answered. That's the separate thing. Tax. The other one that I was looking at, though, was the excessive inflationary housing fees. Does that also fit into that bucket of financial stuff? How how do we get one? That is definitely yeah, I would, I would say that we, as part of the long term financial strategy, we're looking at a comprehensive set of fees. And so, looking across the organization for planning to update the fees of work across the organization for that piece. So then question, I think, Lauren, this may have been new. Are you comfortable with that there is, if there is anything different. So mine has actually a repeat of yours. Tell me, why can you reread that Osmp.

[130:08] Which one, the one that you read just a second ago, space management. Sorry? I thought that was the department. Save it. Yeah. And Parks and Rex, sorry. Yeah. Okay. So the suggestion on the table is that these all 3 of these, or do you want to see? Keep this one separate? So so that would be this one, this one, this one A has this one. I'll become a new single potential work priority that would be described as long term financial plan. So weirdly. The second contact is also under the city attorney office. because it's a big lift for us. Okay? But it would still be part of this. The the same work thing. Jip. Okay.

[131:01] So Mark, will you write me a blue finance sticky, or Chris? Someone over there? The sticky people, mark and I coordinate our office. Did you notice that we're really excited about that? We're really excited? I mean, I'm really excited. Go ahead. Is this sounds like you would probably be working on a long term financial slant, regardless whether. oh, thanks priority today. Thanks. We would be doing the tax for the big, huge fee study across. I mean, that is a major work in general. Okay, while we're working on getting this one written, who was my next question, have about one of these. I don't know that you had another. Anyone else have. One

[132:08] wants to have a clarifier. Okay? So I have on their climate literacy. And I would like to refine that based on the conversation we had yesterday to focus primarily on water waterlers forever, hey? So I just wanted to make that whole page there. Thank you. Okay. Nicole wants to go again. Does anyone else want to jump the line for a first bite at this apple? So my other question will get around I brought up the survey of people who've been in our affordable home program my, my question. So we're already. It's already been the work to do this survey, and if we are just looking to make sure that we've gotten in that program for 10 or 20 years. Please stop, correct me. If I'm wrong, we we will. We will be able to include that. It doesn't have to be.

[133:10] If we want to do something and have talked with you about some of this. So that's why I wanted to address like, for example, do we want to look at the economic impact of this program. Please like, go back and find the people who had signed up for it, but didn't get in to see where they are economically versus even now, then, that's that. My understanding raises that to a level of priority. So it's really more of a question for everyone else. Is there? I I will be satisfied. For now with just having people who've been on the program for a long time as part of the zoom. Does anybody want more? Anybody on council would you want? Well, again it goes back to what's the problem we're trying to solve for and not having information about those who did not participate in right leaves us with a wondering. And so we're gonna invest so much money in a study. I would rather, and ask all of our

[134:19] research questions then, and not have the information be like. Oh, well, I wonder what happened to that group? Well, you just spend millions of dollars to answer this question, probably the same people. So again, I think maybe one way you can look at it, because going back to understand how much research costs. Perhaps it's not. We're gonna do a broad, deep dive into participants who did not. People did not participate, but more. So just having some aspect of it. Where there is a small, maybe it's a focus group. Maybe it's a, you know. So it doesn't have to be this broad piece. but it allows us to have a little bit of that lens. Because again, we have been hearing from people didn't make again, you know, working on anecdotals right now and anecdotally, we're hearing from the people who haven't participated, that they actually were able to accelerate because of some of the barriers that the program does have related to building equity and some of the other issues. And so, therefore, I do think it is important to have that

[135:17] mentioned that I do understand the economic barriers of having an extensive research project in that area. So can I rephrase my question. Maybe Kurt or someone. If I could ask you question would it be possible to include something minor like that in there? But it's not. We're going to track down everybody, whoever signed up for the program like, is there any way of getting that piece of information? And or is there extent data that we can leverage that already exist, that somebody already did that could be potential. Okay, you could use extent data. We don't always have to generate. Sorry I took who the Queen, or whatever that works

[136:04] powerful. It'd just be cool to wait forever. I'm not aware of that research as it as it would relate to directly to our program. I do think we could probably explore. your idea of sort of a focus group of of individuals. That's probably something we could do without hiring a consultant and or it could be part of the consultation. There will be a consultant that will do this survey, because those are organizations that do that. Maybe that could be part of their scope as well. But there's we could. We could explore doing something small like that within scope, I think. Dash anyone else anymore. Oh, right, does that pull out?

[137:02] So I am. I am comfortable. What was your stated that if we can explore some options to get some of this data. Is that is that good? Yeah. Then I'm I'm good with that being pulled back into us bottom right? That was amazing. Thank you. And just the the amendment we're making is just with some attention to sort of the the control group. It is possible. Oh, you cared. Okay, anyone else? Yeah, we're gonna go Erin Taratina. So what I'm wondering is potentially like the way the financial ones were combined into something larger. Could we combine ones related to homelessness, into something larger, so that I brought forth. I utilize the program before, but I think

[138:06] the incumbent to housing public safety, and the roles and outcomes around homelessness are dealing with very similar issues of how we get people off streets into housing. And so I'm wondering for folks who put those out there. If can we combine and say, Hey, let's let's focus. Have one of our top priorities focus on homelessness with the high utilizer program being part of that focus. Say, bye, I have one of the 3. Okay, so I support that and just want to reiterate that what I'm looking for is understanding specifically the financial and land contributions by the city and the county for regardless acceptance. I also just in general, though there's some pieces around roles and responsibilities with the counting, and I'm just wondering if that if there's something that relates to that more broadly across the other top here is because that's come up a couple of different places. I'm not suggesting it gets removed or anything. It's just. I recognize that it also includes some of the other content areas. I just didn't want to lose that dimension if we consolidated everything under

[139:14] 1 one piece of clarity, maybe, and Kurt might want to make his way out to try to combine those so, for instance, on the strategic plan, let's say, by strategic planning, they mentioned a review of existing homelessness programs that work would be conducted through this, the staff team, Hsbc. But could. But what policy all Council would like to play in that review. Right? So, assuming we would come share the the review program which would include the outcomes over the last several years. What adjustments, tweaks. How does that relate to our support? How, you guys program, for instance, is that what you all are trying to get out of there? Something a little bit different months from now. I think

[140:11] Feedback clearly would help us get enough. So I I'd say mark point of this would be to make sure that it was one of the top 10 things that we're keeping our eyes on and working on on a regular basis so similar to how we've talked about some other things about the focus areas. So I think obviously, Staff is working constantly on homelessness solutions. I think it would be about. Let's make sure that we've got a regular cadence of where we're checking progress, checking with council, talking about the next steps, the next policy positions and including in the high utilizer program about pursuing that as expeditiously as possible. That that's my! I would say. What I'm most interested in is looking at Denver. Is there anything that we can use that could apply to us. That would better what we do and possibly speed it up is how? But I think.

[141:00] okay, maybe there, is it? But maybe there is even an intention. So I I think there's a lot of population. And part of my goal is to understand how those services we have today, how they're being providing and who's providing them between the county and the city. And then, if there's a proposal for county wide mental health. getting to a point where we feel comfortable, that that will help us with some of our initiatives. and or find a different need to find that money. I feel like we've been swilling around a little bit. How do we pay for this and kind of come to some conclusion? This is what we're gonna do. You know, we do our own tax? We do account tax whatever along with Medicare and everything else, making sure we know how we're gonna do one. I want to apologize for the mobile people who asked me. I'll I'll hear things up there. And I said, yes. so that was wrong. So the thing I'm not seeing related to homeless this year is where I did assess and evaluate financial and performance outcomes of our homeless solution programs is that on there somewhere?

[142:16] And again I apologize. I gave me multiple opportunities to make sure something's up there. But since we are on the topic of homelessness. I just wanted to lift up so that I did make a specific request. And again, I made it at the home solution thing. There were others who are also interested. So that that says roles, I know. But we put financial and performance outcome. But when we mentioned this role and outcome, I just want that financial. Okay, did that answer your question, mark? So I've got review analysis, role clarity of homelessness programs. Knowing is that and support of

[143:12] brand. I think it's it's about more about like, you know, studying and implementing almost the solution, including and expediting the I utilize our program in conjunction with partners. Can we use 2 stickies or 3 stickies? So you'll you'll tell us later how big a lift that is. Did that include this one Erin and this may come up later. I'm just still unclear about what I guess the outcome of this is a more frequent check in I, I just am still having a hard time wrapping my head around

[144:07] what we're producing. Well, less people on the street. Maybe that's gonna help. Go ahead, please. It's a practical. I'm I'm able to. I like the idea of trying to package this. I had a feeling that these are are actually kind of separate things, because the high system utilizing thing is is a program. It's cooked and worry and and and the ask of us is not work as it is. give us the oath, and win behind our sales to go, fundraise and go, make this into reality. Those other parts about homeless services are work for Hhs and other departments. And so what I'm a little concerned about is if we package them and Hhs. Comes to us and said, Well, here are the trade offs. One of the trade offs going to be part of that high system utilizer because it's now package with things that require work. So I'm a little worried that that Mary may may consequently create a slope where the high system utilizer gets put on a back burner when it itself

[145:08] kind of something. So that that's a concern I have about when we weigh trade offs, that if it's packaged it gets jettisoned. If we choose not to move forward that based on trade offs. I and I don't know if that's the case, but by packaging it, that is a worry I have versus it being its own thing concern. Alright, Rachel. my concern is that by doing that it makes it appear that high utilizer program is more of a priority than these other pieces. And to me the high utilizer program is a suite within of operation of options that we have in our toolkit to address some of the the larger issue. So that's why I see. And more importantly, because that is baked around, I would argue that we're still shopping for ingredients. That you know. I almost feel like that. You know. I you guys, would be over there because we know. But from the conversation that we had, we know that it is a priority. I just don't think it's a priority for the others own, because, again, similar to my challenges and frustration around. How we talk about housing without talking about water.

[146:13] I don't think that we should be talking about one group that is significantly impacted without. Again, there are part of this spectrum of homelessness in the in house which I utilize. We're on the spectrum of that Matt and Mark. I appreciate the point, I which was why I included in my statement that, like that, including a focus on the high utilizer program, is part of the the purpose statement of it. Because I think to Tanisha's point. It. It is kind of running, but it is. It's part of the the larger system that we're implementing for homelessness solutions. I mean that to some extent. You are already working on all of this. and so I think it's not so much about saying. And here's one new like, here's an additional thing you have to do, but about making sure that we have a focus on it as a council, and as one of our priorities to those point with regular check-ins. And reports

[147:17] only issue to me is that the high utilizer program is an experiment. It is zoom it's sweet, generous. in fact, and we're inventing it as we go along. I think it kind of warrants a separate focus, separated review, and it's kind of off there in its own corner, and hopefully it will be wildly successful, at which point becomes integrated into the full scope of all of our programs. But if at this moment in time. I'm looking at that and saying, This is that this is different. This is this is something we have not done before, not sure who has done it before. And we're inventing it as we go along. So I I don't think of it in terms of. And we're doing this, and we're doing this and this. By the way, we're also inventing up a new program.

[148:14] Let me just jump and or mark love to hear your thoughts on what would be the difference if package together and reframe versus remain separate. Let me talk about 2 things. First, some of the things that we're doing, which I think will support some of the things you request it. And also how we would separate these. So as Mark mentioned. And I, you all know there's evaluation going on. The whole program system, and through that it will bring back some of the things that you brought up. And I like to jokingly say we totally have an annual update on this the Council.

[149:00] but I think that in in our next update, as part of that evaluation and presenting that evaluation. Things like these you were asking for about the sort of how the the financial investment and outcomes. I think that could be part of that, and we've already started hearing. I mean you. You've been mentioning that for a couple of months. That's already something that we're thinking about. I think that can work into sort of a regular cadence of how we work with council around sort of the homeless updates and and the things that we're working on. I think there's there's there's 2 components. So, and and Tina brought up one at the beginning. the the behavioral health work. There's been a lot of conversation in council and in the community about what it is. Who does it? Who funds it? You know. How does it tie together. What? What the gaps are, and Fuller County finish there the roadmap.

[150:00] I think it was last summer, and so that was that was a milestone. But we we need to move beyond that. One thing that we could add on here that I think would be helpful is as as a work item for council is coming to council, not with just with ourselves, but with other partners, and trying to answer all those questions. where? What's the city's role of the April opener? I mean, what's the county's role? How is? How is it funded through? You know the Federal government and of. and and I think that would answer a lot of questions to other things that have interface with council. that could be a a study session? You know, fourth quarter it could be, you know, and and I think that would be potentially preparatory for Council's interest in pushing the county or not on the behavioral tax.

[151:03] So th those are my thoughts when when you and some of the other council members have mentioned that but I think the 2 items one are the the high utilizers, and we're already doing some work around that we need a political support for that as well. And then the behavior health thing, I think, sits on its phone. Outside of that. I think as long as the high utilizer programs emphasized in some way that helps check the box on being able to leverage galaxy support with our partners. So I think it's really Council's choice as to whether it's a standalone or as a part of broader umbrella, and then just doubling down, being more clarity piece, I think, is a separate thing. Okay? Yep. So now, Boston, yeah. I was wondering about a separate bucket. That's not necessarily working

[152:00] of study session topics, because you just brought this up the other one, though. And, Taysha, I'm wondering about this for the climate with the water. I'm wondering if that is something could be a study session topic. anyway. Okay, that just rather be your activity that could be included in labor. So to that point this concern to be our study session topic, and I'll let the staff to push back. And like, yeah, once once you put it over there, that lifts to get to a study session makes it a work on item depending on how much base work has been done. I'll just assume that you'll call her well, and I'll also just say that study session topic. I mean study sessions, or what we use to get direction on ordinances and things that need to go to council. So I also serve a business purpose, and if we use them for area additional purposes, which is great. Sometimes we need to use them for additional purposes. I just wanted to the conversation we had yesterday about how many business meetings we need to get the business done. I just wanna caution you about that. We also

[153:09] need to get some business. So while she's putting up speaking. I just wanna come back to the study session things. We didn't have time to talk about it yesterday, but it clearly is an area. What their purpose is, how many we're kind of baked in already for the rest of this year. But, as we think, about 2025, I really would like us to revisit how we use those, what we ex, what we expect cause I feel like there's a lot that we put on them 30 s. Just speaks to your point. Sometimes it's a prep for something, sometimes information, sometimes it's more community. Or I just want to get our hands around how we use our time and not quite baked in that right? We we do our agenda, setting one quarter at a time. We do have some items that we knew ahead of time that we do schedule so we do have some flexibility. But if we continue to think about and add more study sessions on that wall on that side. We will run into some problems before the end of the year.

[154:09] Tina. Jim, a thought on this situation here. I am just understanding from what you just said is the behavior of that doesn't need to be a priority that can happen together. That's what it's got. My demo call from committee. So? What we have been working on with with the county and some of the service providers in the community is understanding how we fit in that role. After the behavior of behavioral roadmap. And you know, where does that go from? Here? It's it's the county's map. We're we're part of the county. But understanding how the city plays to match.

[155:00] I think to to to fully make that a an educational process to understand where we fit in, that would be sort of another item. So to what we're working on, it's something that I think we would have the capacity to do. To add to it would be a new item. But you have the capacity to add it. Yeah, I mean, we're we've been working on trying to figure out how where we go with this behavioral stuff. It hasn't totally been mapped out for us, either. Right? I'm gonna come to Tara for one question, but I went back to Aaron. See if you if you ever conclusion this conversation. Yeah, they just don't have us all public safety. You know the Denver I mean, you want to say nothing better. I think there's some real challenges with the Denver program. I'm not sure that I would want to replicate it. We are very different communities.

[156:04] I haven't. as you know, they their goal was to to 1,000 individuals. Sort of office. 3. They put them in hotels. And they've they've created 2 kind of small social communities. I'm here 50 to 75% of the individuals have gone into those hotels have already exited back into homelessness. There was then some of some of the hotels have had up to 591 calls this year. So I applaud the efforts. I'm not sure the implementation was done. Well, and we don't. Our communities are very different. We don't have those types of hotels or resources to go out and buy and I think it underlines you for this services in place before you.

[157:06] but individuals in those situations. and you know. Our building home program. you know, 95% of those people are still housed this year. And so there, there's they're very different programs and communities. During that time that they exited 1,000 individuals. I think we we exited 230 individuals city in Berkeley times bigger than than Boulder so that'd be about 1,700 individuals that you know as an equivalent. So we're we're we're batting, I think, a little higher than than Denver but we don't have that saving publicity. So I would hope that we wouldn't go down that road, partly because we're just very different communities.

[158:03] Thanks. Aaron. This is your suggestion to do some combining. You've heard a lot of thoughts and perspectives. How would you suggest we proceed? Do I put these back where I found them, or something else? So we appreciate all the elaboration that you all have given, I would say that I would stand by the combining. I appreciate the behavioral health being that kind of separate that. That's its own thing. I think there's something up there about mental health, substance, abuse, roadmap strategies. So I think to your point, I think that can kind of rest, maybe in that item. But I would. I would still have a combination of homelessness. Related items kind of summarized the way that I said it before. About that, you know. Focus on homelessness solutions, including, pursuing that I utilize her. Tina and Terry, what's up? How are you. So am I. But if my behavioral health will not just get kicked out separate. Item. So what about the second part? Tisha's part on that component that has the outcomes and financial and performance. Is that still part of the

[159:12] so that would be combining these 2? Do you want to include considerations for enhancements, maybe not the Denver model, but something else in that? Or is that so that that moves that? Then this now says, studying implementation of homelessness programs, including high utilizers studying comma implementation of homelessness programs, including high utilizers. And that includes the financial information and all the other stuff those over here typing madly to get all the details that we can't get written on the sticky. So you know, okay? And when we bring it back we can take a moment of appreciation. For to just reminding us of the outcomes of that of that policy decision.

[160:01] yeah, 75% is striking. They don't lift that up the final city code off board. So 2 things is Jonathan available. So Donovan, help me. Went through a lot of the parts that was in the initial proposal. So I guess that 2 questions. One is Jonathan. I heard. There is an already a flight, a plan to update our targets, and so I guess my question is, can we just codify? Just make a plan once that's done. Did you put that in our city code and just be good with that, and then make that meeting in flight. Or is that a bigger? Thanks, right. I think I follow that as I was walking up again for the record, Jonathan Cohen, rector of an initiatives. And I wanna maybe look over it, Theresa, and take it from here. I think the idea of how to find goals and targets and code. I don't know what code would actually be the best place to do that, and I don't know what we would gain by

[161:27] doing something beyond having in a resolution or so. These are kind of time bound targets. And so I'd love to maybe hear Teresa talk about that. I I guess I would feel a little reluctant to try to put that into city code. Feel like there are better vehicles for that. Yeah, I'm here. What's that? I didn't ask if you thought it was a good idea to do it before. I mean, just just create guardrails. Personnel can come and go. You know, we have a lot of targets. That have different levels of priority, the things that our community considers most important. We make law. Other things we don't so respectfully. I I do think, from a climate perspective, if this is a value of the community, there's a case for it. Maybe not. Everybody would vote for that. But

[162:12] I would offer that that there is a case for it. So my question is, there would be a big lift with that in the city code. So it would be a significant look. So council under the charter can act by by motion. by resolution or by ordinance. So there are a variety of ways that Council can act to emphasize something, not all, not every ordinance is codifying something into our code. I will tell you the way that we would write permits, and the way we would write that if it were. if it were being modified into our actual municipal code would be quite different and and would be significant. It would be a significant test. Patia. Hi, sorry

[163:02] my mind is searching a little bit for why, it would be so difficult to say we've already established these specific targets and time to where it's been done. Now we're just gonna say, this is required law. So maybe this isn't the form to adjudicate all that like kind of searching the way that we saw. but senses on. Why, it might be harder than it sounds. Hello! I think I think what I would say is, you know I'm I'm happy to try to think creatively about this, and if there's a path forward it would it would achieve what you want. and I guess I'd not to sound the way this is about to sound. But writing code is part we have, you know, 15 program attorneys to do it. I actually just wanted to circle back to Matt's priorities which shared yesterday around just updating code and and recognizing that we have been kind of biting around the edges. But there is an interest in really reworking of more broadly. And so I'm just curious if in that exploration, if there's an opportunity to revisit this conversation, because I think what the issue is from what I'm hearing is pull the one thread, and then all these other threads happen. And so if we're gonna be re

[164:23] considering how we're basing the pie. That would be a great time. And it sounds like there's already some considerations after the update to the Comp plan where there's an opportunity there, since so many codes potentially will be impacted that that might be a so you know, I I'm definitely interested in something like that. But I understand that the timing may not be right now, and that, you know I would rather do that as a larger investigation of our codes. Right? Tony follows. That's required by Tina. There was 2 items in total for Jonathan. I did the one at the second one, but Tina as well is the comp plan at the time when I don't even know who that when you would look at those kind of proteases.

[165:03] Okay, is that if there's a conference generally different. yeah, and I don't. So I would need to be to have your whole music that we don't have a fake myself. Yeah, I think just a general observation. Sometimes we use the term code change as short, and for policy change or policy investigation. because it really is the ends to a means, and there are many different ways to really piggyback, on Teresa's comment, to get to an end that can be operational budget out of 5, you know many things, so I could answer the question by saying, the comprehensive plan is certainly the right place to set the vision, and then the vision with some level of specificity. But how that gets implemented and what timeframes get very significantly based on.

[166:07] but not to exaggerate. But hundreds of of details. The implementation of concepts breaks down to a lot of individual things that need to be operationalized in different ways and with different budgets and in different organizational structures. So I I hope that wasn't too big of an answer at the last compliance update. Did it result in any significant code changes? I guess that's where I'm yes, I would say, and implement the 3 main things, and there are many more that we point to as implementation mechanisms for the comprehensive plan. And I would add other plans. But just speaking to the comprehensive plan, are laws or refinement of laws, so ordinances of the budget.

[167:01] and then a third one that I'm forgetting right now. So so there, when the company is adopted, it results. And then the pursuing projects that then result in code changes. But you do not make major code changes as part of the comprehensive plan updated sign. Yes, that's very helpful. And and the other piece, just because I I, you know. Forgive me trying to think of my feet, but When when we codify something operational in nature, or something that that is benchmarks or targets, or or even fees. You know those are a moving target, and the code isn't very nimble that it. It takes a long time for the code to evolve it to change. And and so if we, if we can do those things by another mechanism, then we have a lot more flexibility and a lot more ability to be nimble.

[168:05] Okay, Nicole, are you on the same compound question or something else? Okay, Ryan. Another thing. Thank you. So, Jonathan, thank you for that, and for earlier going through some of the parts that are already in flight against the proposal. So so we've got updates on the targets already. That's great. Another one was Is there a more organized, formal way to? We can report to city Council an annual basis on that. I heard like kind of. There'll be more of of a process for that. It's maybe not as firm as I was asking, but sounds like that's like a yes ish which I think is good. Another one was code. Changes will Staff suggest, have a chance to or with? Can we ask you to please give us ideas for code changes additionally to enhance climate resilience, climate compatibility, he said. Yes, that will basically be in flight. So I have those? Right? I think the only maybe. Yeah. I just wanted to come back to the the yes ish response on updates. I just want to make sure I understand what the right vehicle for that is, whether that is a study session. Whether that's an I think what I'm committing to is that we absolutely want to elevate kind of the results on an annual basis to counsel

[169:17] we'd I like to figure out what the best way to do that is knowing that your meetings are pretty packed trying to get something scheduled in fear. I just want to be sensitive to that in the moment, is my quick feedback of the annual and letting it be a strategic discussion about. Here's what we need to do in the future. Going ahead. Big picture. That would be just so. Yeah, I was hopeful that that was inclusive of like, for example, as we consider updating the Memo and the Esg section, or whatever right that there any decision that we are making? There are climate components that people are answering. For example, what are the water impact? What are the energy impacts? What is the air, whatever the thing is. But that's why I brought that climate assessment risk thing. But like, I will be making decisions based off of the information. So that's how I was planning. So I was gonna jump in and say something similar to that. But I don't think we're there yet, right? And I think what we were saying

[170:13] yesterday. But as we continue to think about how to evolve the memo format because we want to do more of that as well. That's what we want to do with. Like the considering how to do a fiscal note, considering how to bring the racial equity instrument into that, considering what? How do we get to our strategic plan goals, we wanna do more of that, too. And think about, how do we make sure that we're reflecting our values into more of that. So you're gonna see that you're just not gonna see it tomorrow. I don't know when you're gonna see that. But that's what we wanna get to that you are. Gonna see all the work that we do cause. I will tell you that the men and women that are behind you. They're all doing equity work. They are all doing climate work. They are all doing some of the resilience work. We need to figure out, how do we measure it

[171:00] so that you can see some of the some of the ways they're driving that work forward, and we just haven't figured that out yet. So it's come. I agree with that. I really excited with that, too, my my discussion at this point of John's thinking about the idea of of a formalized annual check. In what do we do? How do we learn? What do we learn? How we do? What are the big things going ahead space for that. So that's my opinion. I know you don't need to commit to that. So the thing is that I think it's not included, and I would ask my council Member colleagues to consider is I had a component on operationalizing our our climate work. So in my mind, this is in a financial kind of a lens at healing which, as we're making financial budget considerations that we have an organized way to think about, client risk opportunity, that sort of a thing. So I'm wondering is, if could that fit in as part of maybe the long term financial strategy square up there or tangle up there as something, maybe to find the Financial strategy Committee.

[172:04] Right? Okay, fine. Could could add for consideration. Maybe that doesn't have to be left. And we could just take this off the board. So that's my question. Can we just can we add climate operational, rich into longer financial strategy? I don't know who can answer that staff too, old hat, but the current hats can feel free to chat. I I would say that that that was the way you're describing Ryan is what we're we're implementing as a part of budget for resilience or outcome based budget approach where we're trying to tie our investments to our outcomes. There's work to be done there. But center to that is is our equity and climate goals. And how we report out that information Council as you make decisions on budget. How community can follow along to the impacts of our investments would say, that's an ongoing challenge. It's not going to be, you know, accomplished. To, you know. Raise the banner by the end of the year per se. But I I think you'll see that operationalize through that work. So I would say it belongs on that whiteboard that

[173:07] makes sense. So you're suggesting that with all that information is that we move this item over here, we we didn't get the cut. The the actual establishing in city code. So I think that's the definition. Drafts of the green item. Now, Mark, when I hear from you is. Yes, there's space. Maybe the Financial Strategy Committee to get input on how to get the climate part of this just right. Strategy committee will be working through budget process. The new cats agree. We are thinking about the fact that in 25 years

[174:03] we're gonna have twice as many people, 65, another as we do. And what are we doing? And also a lot of folks with disabilities? Currently, we will likely have more in coming decades to be a host of reaching completed climate prices. So is that some the kind of thing that could potentially show up as we're thinking about them up to, since. What is this? What is this particular thing doing in support of employee? Because this is on both right? It doesn't need to be a work one priority for this work to happen. and I would love for us to have that elevated to the level where we're thinking about it. That's not just something that comes up against that. So yeah, let me ask them, because I know you and I call. This is the question, maybe for Curt and Elizabeth and I don't know if you all had a chance to talk about it the way I understand it. Please, Nicole, correct me if I'm wrong. This is to me more of a

[175:02] I'm gonna use my terms right? More of a maybe it's a a lens by which we do all our work right, that when we're doing, when we're making decisions on housing or transportation or development, that we are looking through it through the lens of our seniors, our disability community are, are anyone who is through the lens of the folks that are working on this already? Right? That it it infuses in all the work that we do throughout all our departments. And so what is the way in which all our departments have an instrument by which they can look at the work that they are doing and make sure that they are taking that into consideration. I don't know if that exists already. I don't know if that is something that departments can use. Does that work? And if that is a lift, if that is something that can be done in your current work or not?

[176:01] Am I representing that I needed some steps? Elizabeth, and others in housing human services? I think that's accurate. As Nicole mentioned, and we thank you again for kind of the chance to bat around some ideas beforehand. Lifelong holder is a thing, and it really does provide that frameworking criteria when it was put in place it had the participation from all city departments. And so our older adult services, Manager, Eden, Bailey, and others there. This is the year that they really wanted to have that touch point again, anyway. So I think as long as that happens, you know, if Council has any specific questions or what specific updates. Happy to provide that but in a way, it's just enabling the process that exists to to take place into that. It's already there and just augmented. Correct, hey, Tina, until you should have question department. So you know, I'm just wondering.

[177:01] And or are the things we're looking for in life on Boulder. Are they already baked into the Sarah framework under the piece? Or yes. there, I think several different places, actually, because it touches on the way the framework matches up with our work plan isn't always, you know, kind of one to one. It's a little bit up as an oranges. But but essentially it's in every element because it is a city wide approach. The initiative was just led by Hs, because that's where older adult services. You know, work is embedded. And I would say, it's a strategic plan. It's where I was trying to figure. It's definitely in the framework. And it represented in the strategic plan. worried about having too many separate frameworks to crack, and so to the extent that the climate lens and the lifelong lens could be able to share frame words will just be easier for me. It's an individual, but just a thought. Yeah. And I think it's one other example that's happening right now is the child friend, cities initiative, right? Like you shows up everywhere in a city. We didn't create it. It is a thing that exists already, and there's

[178:13] you know, to use the term kind of a lift up for us to be able to align with these national frameworks. It doesn't necessarily mean that all of our work is now completely disor reorganized. so I think that a lot of that's already there. Asia. I just wanted to lift up that one of the one of the opportunities, I think around the racial equity tool is intersectionality. As an African American. I'm also a woman. I also have budding capability at all. So right and so, and we get older too. So I'm just wondering in that in the existing tool are these dimensions around people with disabilities? Are elding our elder and agent community, but those pieces should be in a part of that, because there are intersectional issues and acute issues, as you know, racial, effectively diverse people. With these intersection, there are key issues. So those things that I haven't had my training yet, so I'm gonna have it get on it. But I just wanna lift up

[179:22] that intersectionality is absolutely critical. And it's one of the challenges of a racial equity tool that is only looking at race and isolation without having the intersectional pieces where we know that there's a huge issues. so those that already exist. Jamie Kane, equity officer, French video folder. Yes, in the sub step, one of the racial equity instrument there are boxes for all different types of demographics, whether it's youth, whether it's people with disabilities, age, older adults. So those 100.

[180:03] Yeah, I think you know, we did this when we started our work with the Government alliance on racism, equity, we always and we've always articulated we are race explicit, but not race exclusive. And I think, by naming the tool, the racial equity instrument people get really tripped up in thinking that it is race exclusive as opposed to this is concepts that can be applied to any group right? And that in their section is absolutely critical. And the data has to be disaggregated to really determine who it is that's gonna benefit the most from any decision. And then who's also gonna be most negatively impacted. So that that piece is. And so if it is there. Okay, the tool is only good, and the people are using all of the tool. And so and accountability around zoom. So I honor that this is actually an issue that is acute, that is going to accelerate. And it's worthy of some type of of additional look

[181:12] similar to water or some of the other things that we're pulling at it. Yeah. And I looked up that Edie did utilize that framework a couple of years ago since brought us down this path based on what you've heard. Leave it here, or does it sound to you like it belongs over on the ongoing list? Yeah, it seems like for for my purposes of what I'm trying to get just a visibility. It sounds like we are already seeing have, like the restart of whiteboard as well as that. It's included in that. More and more departments are using in that. So it sounds to me like we're moving in that direction, and it's good to move.

[182:00] Hey? You guys hold that good, sweet, alright. Sarah, do you have any questions or comment on it? I'm on board? Yes. Can we promise? Everything's fine. Alright, alright. Still up or down. Okay, take a last round of comments on this one. You got one. Yeah, I'm ready. Yeah, We'll just tackle one at a time. Here, I take it. I have a question for actually, my question is for Lauren to feed into this piece here. Lauren. You brought up the landscape for visions, and I brought up sort of no changes to Wildfire, which are very similar. Right? It's vegetation clearance. It's it it. They're they're very synergistic to each other. And so what I didn't know is, if you were comfortable kind of combining them in a conversation, because I don't see how one wouldn't impact the other and so I just first want to preface it that way, and then in doing so, if we could just maybe start to have a conversation on either one of them or there the unity of the 2. What's the other? One? Wilding and Co changes, landscape code changes.

[183:17] Okay? So we're talking about combining these 2. I'm just asking if there's comfort in that, because there, there again, you do one with, you'll impact the other vice versa. Yeah, I would say that that definitely captures at least one dimension of the landscape clover vision. So I was also interested in sort of water usage and native planting kind of aspects of our landscape code revision. So that also combines my accelerating biography. So I'm gonna lift that up as I see some synergies in that as well. The framing it is. If we're gonna touch on one of them it would be weird to only touch on it

[184:02] that little piece and not touch on battery and not touch on Wildfire cause they need. We're gonna touch the code. We might as well play at it with with all those important soon. So that's why appropriate there was consent. But I'll let Brad so thank you for the opportunity to speak to this. so I I guess I want to submit to the group with all due respect. That Co. Changes is again a means to an end. and the means, or the or or the ends that are being sought are are fairly different. If you look at those 2 landscaping which can mean a lot of things screaming imperviousness, water, usage, etc. Hardening is all all about protection. It's wild fires, so I I guess,

[185:05] as instinctive as it would, and and pleasing as it is to imagine. Combining the 2, it feels a little bit conclusive to to say that that necessarily is is Co works exclusive. Once you go, let me frame specifically where I'm going and why that might work. And if we just wait that that so specifically, I'll start with the wildfire stuff. Really review the Wildfire Protection plan. Now, twice big, lengthy document one. I just wanna congratulate Staff to put this thing together. It is monumental thing, and our community's been begging for this. And so we really appreciate the deliverable, and we'll look forward to the actions that come from that. And as I look through that, there was a lot of emphasis on educating property owners and educating homeowners, and what I what I saw missing were opportunities like we went through the Shake shingle piece. We could have sat there and educated, but we just made in order to expand the thing because it was of such critical property and life safety that we just made that a code change. And I see similarly here, as we deal with high combustible plants, vegetation, and things that work up against the home environment, that we're in a similar state with regards to Wildfire that may necessitate a code change to create an even playing field with regards to how

[186:17] our our our urban and our wildfire and our wild urban firefighters can tackle fire encroaching onto our built environment. And so that's where I was thinking of. Education is great. We might need to go one step farther further to to one, accelerate the changes that we make it go, set a date and get done. We could be educating our community for the next 20 years to do it, and still not have the hardening that we want in our community to keep us safe. So that's the motive, for while like wildfire partnering, and where I see the connection is. we still allow mulch and the incentivize multiple mulch is not great for wildfire hardening. That's part of the landscape. So I don't know how we don't, you know, Harden, while touching the code while we open the code there's some other pieces that are very important to discuss. That's why I thought that if we're gonna open a can we might as well take care of the ingredients. So

[187:04] that's my piece of wildfire. I know the jeans here there might be other parts that are more specific to Osmp, and and oh! And and a wildlife and other coaching is more in my model. I want to start with Wildfire, and not exclusive of those pieces that may be impacted by it. So I'll start. So it it's absolutely within your realm to discuss this policy objective and to adopt the code changes. And I think what you're after, though, is code compliance at some point. And the difficulty that we're gonna have, especially with this, because we trend, we go from initial construction or the permitting phase where that's when we we look at it with this particular style code. Now we're talking about going in after the fact. Weeds grow, and there's no new permitting. Nothing alerts us. And so there is a big, heavy lift on the back end, to consider in terms of resources, to actually go out and then go and check and make sure to force the cook. So that's just something I would love to put out there for for context. We don't net have those resources in place today to do that stuff.

[188:13] W. We're doing well, just taking care of buildings like this. We be looking at these, making sure they're code compliant or even doing detailed home assessments, trying to stay in front of those. And those are at request and also just request voluntary. So so that's just something wanted to put out there for context, absolutely code changes, we definitely would probably get better compliance and simply going out and educating better and and that's that's a debate worth worth having thought at your level. We can certainly continue the the process and bring back data that we are getting. We do risk assessments all the time. So we kind of know, at least in the interface piece, because we have a We code now. And the way it's being enforced is when you have new construction. That's it. We're not going out after the fact unless it's all voluntary.

[189:03] As we're talking residents, it's a whole different ballgame talking commercial structures or anything like that. So? So that's where it becomes a little more sticky when we're going out and actually checking people's phones and trying to make sure they're compliant with with a code after they've already gotten their permits. This is years down the road when they've let weeds grow in the rocks and that sort of thing. That's a that's a whole different issue. So something to consider, I wanted to put that out there because it also is definitely gonna be a resource question, if that's for you. So your original question was, could these 2 be combined? And Lauren now wait, based on what you've heard? What do you think it kind of seems like they're a little bit. They're different. I mean, I think that the landscape code part of my request there is that I think the outcomes with

[190:01] what our code currently requires are not necessarily in my mind in alignment with our community goals. And so on. The new construction side of things. I wanna make sure that when we're putting things in in the beginning that we are getting things that are more in line for community goals. And it feels like, maybe this coaching the wildfire hardening piece of it is maybe more about how we deal with ongoing maintenance and enforcement your prerogative. I just wanted to call possible. Yeah, no, I appreciate that, mark. Do you have a quick thought? Yeah, the that's not good for doing what Matt is suggesting is that it sort of elevates both issues, and frankly makes it more likely that we will designate as one of our people plan items. And I I feel pretty strongly about both and I don't need to grab a single call.

[191:06] But alright. I think it is more likely that we will regroup. Want to designate that if it had a little broader scope to it if I had choose, I'd probably choose the hard. but I really be eager to do this if it encompassed a little more. wondering, too, if it fits underneath the broader climate, resilience, effort, particularly recommended in my final 2, under resilience, 2 strategy. So to me, partnering is a resilience, activity. The other thing underneath the heart, the wild tech, hardening wildfire hardening that I also wanna make sure is included in this is how to address the fact that more than 50% is renters. And so that's the other dimension that I'm hoping that you're getting at in not necessarily the close dimension or intersect, but just the issue of we have. The majority of our places are renters. And so there's a different relationship in in that way, different reasons. And so I just wanna make sure in that home hardening component that we are also addressing the rental component.

[192:21] I'd also be interested in not just the code piece. But like, what percentage do we have? Measures of metrics, of success, of metrics, of success around like the percentage of farming that we would like to have. As a community like, do we know, like X percent are have done the things. And I feel like. And this goes back to the lack the fact that we have 0 biodiversity targets on our climate piece. All of them are emission space. And so, yeah, I just, I feel like it's more of a codes for me on the world.

[193:04] Yeah, this is just more of a question for staff. So, Mark, I hear your point of putting together, but that almost feels like a sneaky 2 for one separate thing separate. So my question is, if we're pulling them, do we need to think about? But still, as the work of 2 priorities, so is that 2, for with all fairness we combine 3 things related, I wanna hear from Noria. But just to be clear. if you decide that you would like to move one of these over here. The first thing I'm gonna ask Staff, is, what's the list? And so the thing you need to be mindful about is as you combine. You're you're reducing the number of stickies. But you're changing the lift at any given sticky. So then, I'm gonna ask Doc to look at that and be like, now that. You see, that's up there. Can you all do all that, and then be like now that I see that that's 17 stickies I've been masquerading as one. Not so much so. It's the right question. And during that different answer I'd be pleased to hear it. Not a different answer. But I will say that if we're good now, as I hear, and I appreciate

[194:17] because now it's if it's beyond code, and we're talking about something different right then we've got to take that into account, cause I get, if you're trying to combine both changes. I can maybe see that if there is a desire to scope it differently. Then I think you all have to honor that and talk about that scope change. So I think that's a that's a decision for you right here, and and the chief brought up a good point about compliance. But I'm not sure we're talking about that at this stage, because that will come if we decide to do Co changes, and you know some of the things like make it contingent on sale like you wish. Right? So it's sort of like on the onus. And it just happens when the turnover goes. But

[195:01] real question, I mean, is. are we going? Do we want to look at these acute changes that add to the wildfire protection. That's really kind of the core. Here is, would this add to the suite of ways in which we are committing to community how we are protecting this community, I provide certainty and clarity cause. I think, the biggest things. We look at the curbside assessment we can voluntarily, I could voluntarily do my house. My neighbor, can have all the vegetation juniper up against theirs, and that puts my house in intrinsically much higher percentage, even though I've done the best things for me. And that's not fair. And so it's a so the code change creates a fairness among the homes on there. Because once the first phone goes the high, the percentage of the rest going up dramatically. And so just because one person isn't doing the work shouldn't mean that the rest of us have to suffer as a result of that. And having that Co change is is a key piece. What? I'm what I think I'm hearing is

[196:00] you're suggesting. This might be just based on new construction or new tweaking to tweaking the code, but it wouldn't be retroactive, or we saying retro, I mean, we need to consider, I think we consider retroactive, in fact. for that. And and and of course, if we have our ordinance in place. People can apply for that money to then go after that, partner. I I think we need to have that conversation. Is it just going forward, or is it? But I don't think we need to predetermine that here it's just are we gonna pursue Co change for wildlife partnering. And in that debate we look at the suite of those pieces of, was it? What are the costs of it being retroactive versus forward? I I don't. I don't think I'm equipped to just answer that right here in this very that we actually do make that distinction. Okay, it's retroactive.

[197:06] I I appreciate you all, seeing that I don't know if what extent we can actually do retroactive requirements. But we can certainly create incentives or those using all sources of funding that we can get our hands on. And with respect to major renovations and new homes. I I you know you local some neighborhood you will see home after home and wood, clad with right up against the house, and you look at that and go well, kindly, I mean, it's, you know. 6 times. So what do you need from us for this piece of this?

[198:04] Tightly right on? We're not doing that yet. Hold on. That is what I need. Yeah, I'm still trying to get anywhere just because we were on clarifying questions. So that, yeah, I got right now. Yeah. So, Lauren, it looks like, maybe you're gonna have the last one. And then we're gonna do fun. We're gonna do other fun things. I am okay with combining them as long as the landscape gets is slightly broader than just looking at Wildfire. I might change Sas response on with, Yeah, okay? And then will you make me another sticky error? Where. Wait! Wait! Would they hurt us? Alright, Mark, I'm just making up names now. It's like Walter Steven. Thank you. Alright. Alright. Did anyone have any other clarifying questions. Tina.

[199:03] New thing, yeah on the exam. And it's a nice allocation. Is that is there a certain size, that is, that any home and boulders for things that are over half the neighbor or things that are in that organization. I was just more so saying that I feel like we are underestimating how much space is needed for the thousands of people. So then, I don't know where that lands I just based on when I look at developments, and then I their green space parts and recognize. But that's not enough. though that's what our okay and just one of the things that makes me interested in that particular discussion is that in the Transit Bill that's being considered right now, legislation

[200:06] because of the minimum density and our height. we may not be able to have insights. So I think it's a good discussion to have to think about. Have what? What does it end up? Looking Egg? It sends it over here somewhere. Well, and it may also be a part of that fiscal projection, one because there was a space. We require green space in our multi family development. That's like weird things out for it. Sometimes, like lunar trees, which are majority paid. And so there are things

[201:02] I could see, and it doesn't always make sense on every property like if it's a small lot, the amount of green space might not be useful. So I could also see us just looking at that code section and seeing. Is that the way that most makes sense for should we be taking fees and developing more intentional park spaces and doing doing it in a slightly different way. That isn't necessarily creating that on site, but still allocating it equitably across the city. Thank you so much. And as somebody again. I come from big cities in addition to beautiful lush places, big city lands. And so I just wanna honor we are asking for density there needs to be as equal of an acceleration around green biodiversity. All of those things. Otherwise those big city problems are gonna find their way here.

[202:05] alright! Your cards up, you good, you good. good thinking alright. Anyone else have a clarifying question here, because not I really want to get to the part where you choose which ones I'm supposed to do. I would like to add community engagement to the Vv, because that was in service to the vbs. So it's a little corn one, right? And I feel like that kind of belongs that was mine, right? And so, you know, it's in service. It's put that in, I'm adding, plus community engagement framework on this one. So if you select this one as a priority that is now included, you can hold that. Yes, okay, cool. Thank you. Anybody else.

[203:01] Alright, here's what happens next by ticket ease. I'd love for you to take a break, stretching thanks. spreadsheet, or maybe visit with one another. When you come back. I will give you each 2 rounds to tell me which one of these items you'd like for us to move over here. That means no more than 2 per person. They're not all gonna make the cut. I'm not sure there's 18 left. But yeah, they're not all gonna make the final cut. This is where you say, like to me. I would really like for us to live. This on. This is answered your question. That which? How do I get that over there? This is how but what you're gonna have to tell me is heather. I wanna move mental health substance, abuse roadmap strategy. Over to the further consideration board. And then I'm gonna say, great! Tell me where you think it goes on the impact thing. You're going to briefly tell me where you think it goes here and why. And then I'm gonna say, Hey, staff lift, and they're gonna say, big lift or smaller. Then I'm gonna stick it.

[204:03] We could spend 3 h debating impact on any one of these which we will not do. I will defer to the first person. If someone else feels very, very, very, very, very strongly, that they're very, very, very wrong. I will hear that. And then just someone's like. And then what are you gonna do? I'm like, then I'm gonna average it. And I'll put it right here. So just whether or not. That's easier time. Be mindful. So we're going to do that. We're going to go around once and around twice. Stas in the middle, between round one and round 2. If you would like to share anything that Council might want to know in terms of what your bandwidth is happy to hear it at that time. But only if you think it's necessary, based on what you're seeing, move over there in round one. we'll do the second round. Then I'm gonna give you some dots, and you're gonna dot the things that are over here tell me which ones you think are. Gonna make the cut. everyone tracking on the plan. Yes, ma'am, how many dots do we get? 6 and number 3 is the math? There'll be 18 things here, probably. If there's substantially fewer than 18, and I will give you substantially fewer dots. But we'll see how that takes up.

[205:04] Okay. So before you break, if everyone please find your playing card from earlier and pass it to the person on your left. Oh, that's oh, no! I will deliver yours over here. Hi! Card goes first. Who's got it. Alright. Team will be our first when we come back for break by this it is 208. Given the amount of work we still have, I don't want to get overly confident. If we could take just a short 10 come back at 20 after by this clock behind it. That'd be grand go

[223:40] alright. So just as a reminder, okay. But in the future I'm going to ask you. in order reverse order of the cards. When goes first. what item would you like to have looked over for further consideration as a counter? You will tell me what sticky it is you may have to, as you've already been doing. Tell me that I will find it.

[224:07] and then you will tell me. I I don't I I don't I I really would discourage you from reminding us why you think this is important. I think I think we're good now on that. What I would love to hear is, please grab this sticky. I think it is this here in the impacts and tell me why. And then, Staff, you should be ready. I'm gonna say, director, person. tell me roughly size of lift, and I'm gonna stick it there. If someone has again, very, very, very, very, very serious heartburn about that, I'd like to hear it. Otherwise I would encourage you just to live with it. It's not determinative of anything. It's just an information point for us, so we'll do that. So we'll do that one round. and then I will ask any director that wants to to say, now that you put those things up here, I need, for you know, like that's that thing is such a big list. But that influences these other things. You should anticipate trade offs. We come back to you.

[225:00] or, if you leave that one up there, if that one rings the day, I don't, I can't do anything out. Whatever. You guys are smart, you know what I mean. So you'll do that, and you will be brief and then council. This is the fun thing. Then you're gonna move those cards one more time. and then I'm gonna go to load up. So is it in reverse. In the second round or second reverse sort of hide a low first and then load a high second, mix it up alright. Everybody cool about the plan, you understand? Alright. I saw lots of what looked like collaborative problem solving happening over the break. So And it's badly it's called manipulating the process.

[226:02] Where's my question, Nicole? Are we? Are you intending that we are? I am deferring to you on how you would like to do that. You could do what's most important to you. You could do. I think I can get a majority of council on this one. So I want to add, I wanted to win. You could do. I just think it'd be hilarious to put this one up there. See what people say. With that I trust you make good choices. Yes. Can you just give us a minute after the first round to digest? Because I'm in the front now. Yes, I will not start the next round. Okay, alright. it's gonna be okay. I wanna lead over clarified question from before I heard from the for committee that they are going to be talking about rent choice moving for council in the big in the study session on ballot initiatives. So is that correct?

[227:08] If they are not decided on today, and they come forward later that something else might have to me. So you prefer they'd be here, and if they're a priority we'll know alright. I want to do their will, but I need them to know that if then, if there are 10 priorities, and one of them is not right choice voting. And then in 3 weeks, we say, we want to do right choice voting. I'm gonna say, what would you like the city attorney's office to not do? Okay, that's a great question. Yep. the I'm confused about that prioritization, because this is part of the suite of things in a memo. I presume we'll see on May ninth. So if if they're all part of that May night menu memo, I believe it feels weird picking 2 of them now without seeing what the rest of that stuff is for regarding measures, and you name it so I think you should make the trade off later. I think you can absolutely do that. What I'm what I'm telling you is that

[228:00] that's gonna that's gonna be a heavy lift. And so if Council decides that they want to do it at that time. right? Like break choice voting. do we want to consider? That is. it's a big question, if right, what? I wouldn't look what time, what method, I heard Aaron saying. There are different models, and right so try to start to work before May ninth. I'm going home and working on it tonight, Matt. Anybody else. in that case, who is the owner of the antenna parts? Hi, Tina. what do you got for me? middle housing task force and tell me impact. Hi! Aha! And Staff tell me list. Kurt. So anyway.

[229:01] like you said a hundred 75, 75 go, hey? So that's just the night of hearts, please. So, Brandon, what's up? Respect, climate policy and city code? I don't know how. Hi! This! I suppose everybody thinks this is Hi. I think this is Hi. This is hi because it was that was from guidelines for our to succeed in our climate future. It's very ahead on the list of values for our community. okay, is this a Jonathan or Teresa question on Lyft. Pause. The video combination I'm pushing in Brad to be shaking it says, yeah, Hi, dish go that way. Live with that. Yeah. Cause I think it's important. Okay.

[230:01] these pieces down here just for my own entertainment. So they're on desktop. It makes me feel like you have choices. It's gotta be, Ada, heart speed. I'm gonna say it's a high impact to the low left. Show me where it is, is what you're saying. Nonree got it and use the high impacts. And you were proposing medium lift if it is planning and prioritization only medium to little, just over medium, if it's implementation of things, if we want to see a tram train trail or something in 2 years, then it's high, or lights, planning or implementation, or both. That's good, because only planning. There's both

[231:13] so needs to come this way. Well, yes, at least not in the island. It needs to be over on the heavier list. Okay, you pull that. Okay? Alright. 7. Alright and for this one I I know that the left is on the heavier side, not. We have to have valid message where I would hope this would be the 2024. So the heavily signed off is averaging out, because I know it's not something he's not a lot of work.

[232:07] Jason, I'm fine with meeting William. Okay. wait. Did you mind the highest lift of everything? As you can see, this is not a scientific process. Some director may remember the years of oh, just tuck that in where we have a look like on the surface of very organizing another like 17 stickies that were stacked. We're just gonna pretend that was one thing I see your face, Carlies like, Oh, God! 6 family, friendly, hybrid neighborhoods family, friendly by, where am I gonna find that one you amended? Is that correct? And just to be clear, that was your sexy retitling or re retitling of increased housing, density and low density, residential zones, particularly long transit zones and 4 doors.

[233:02] Yeah, so density and new standard family neighbors should be branded it to make it sound sexier. Okay? And I'm willing to admit that it's probably gonna be in that upper right hand corner as the highest level. Yeah. Cdms, yes, was that a thumbs up? Or is that an entire home? We need a lot of us. And alright, who's 5? Alright? Alright! But yeah, we won't talk about any strategy. Alright. Oh, wow! You got applause. Okay, okay. And green, I think because we want to do it. It's a lot less. But we're gonna that's good. So we're here. That's right. That's right. I was gonna wear a practical shoot. And then I anticipated this. I mean, I also could have just hung the slower. You see, I've been a series of alright 4 hearts.

[234:20] Alright. Karen Boulder Valley. Comprehensive plan update. Completing in 2,026. Alright. It's in that kind of order. I didn't hear you by her. There you go. Jonathan. Do you remember the time we did the Eisenhower sort with the planning staff with when David just school, was here and the the spectrums had to start with it was so. Eisenhower is importance and urgency, but it started with importance to very important and urgent, to very, very urgent, but there was no less urgent. It's like it was presumed that everything is already like super critical.

[235:08] Alright! 3 hearts. That's me. Okay, so I would like to. Okay, here's the deal. My, I am going to ask this to reconsider a focus on the climate action up plan update, because to me it is inclusive of climate, resilience of water education, biodiversity escalation and so similar to the high utilizer piece from the perspective of it's not necessarily new, but anything we do on climate is new because you're constantly working with a variety of uncertainties that don't exist, else. So that is what I so like, a sort of a a scope expansion of the current climate action plan update to include the water literacy and biodiversity stuff. Okay, John.

[236:07] trying to find some synergies between, because I can see I can make a case for Waterloos. I can make a case for. But to me the problem with the way that we talk about climate right now is silent. It cannot be silent. It has to be ecosystems focus. So either climate resilience 2. Which is why I made that point in the first place, because it is not as easy as being like one thing, that's the problem with the one that we can be able to find it right now. Okay. can those things be integrated into this? I appreciate the scope expansion. But can they fit in this in this bucket? But we're acknowledging that it would be a scope expansion, and so I'm giving an opportunity to say yes, it can fit in this bucket, and well, I think the way you just described it would have to fit into that bucket. Do it separately. So I I'd have to scope it a little bit. I'm certainly think it's I've put it in a high lift. Okay.

[237:05] alright. And then I can live with that. Have you tried zoom somewhere over here for impact yet? And none of those things exist without that. Sorry. And I reclaimed the trump part. Okay? And you probably have everybody trying to scribble. But I just put up here. Just so we don't forget is water literacy, biodiversity. And then we can. And else. okay, okay? And then who owns the 2 hearts? Hey, there. where do we? Ant? Where do we end up putting that up with. yeah. And is that well, part of me or wild parting ghost? It's no, no, it's not including that based on some new information center. It's just wild fire hardening the retroactive is not a part of it. If someone wants to bring that up at a later date. Great but the the new update is, we're going to be talking about some codes related to this.

[238:17] perhaps later this fall, and the wildfire hardening will set the the landscape for what that code change will be by making it a priority through the filter of code changes in the woolly. Now, okay, so this is, it was rescoped as landscape, including Wildfire hardening because it picked up some of those pieces from Lauren's early right? Okay? And where? Tell me where? Certainly high impact. I think it's probably a medium lift within the scope that Matt just talked about it. It would be a I would say, 25 to the percent to the right there of live right? Yeah, right there. Okay. so, but then, that impact is already here. Okay, so now in here, I'm gonna tell them it's gonna be fine. I'm gonna know. Okay.

[239:10] does it also include some of the water stuff that I thought, this bucket is, too. Is that a setting? Yes, that was what foreign water efficiency. That changes the left. And I'm sorry I didn't understand that. That's why I didn't understand the rewrite because it didn't encompass what we had discussed. So. okay, and now it does include water efficiency. Okay, good. Can we? Can you all repeat what that is? So that we have clarity in the notes. So so I was surprised that that was actually, I thought that Lauren was pulling those parts out, and then I was confused that it got wrapped back in. But that's okay. So I think it's it's it's I'll try to explain this in in real time.

[240:07] wildfire hardening for residential structures. Co changes this fall are pending, and this will lead into that and then with that is landscaping revisions that are not just regard related to wildfire gardening, but then also water currents, low water usage. While we have the landscaping bucket open, we will touch that for my own notes, plus water efficiency. And Eric, is that a good shorthand provide clarity. So what Matt is speaking to is solidly in the building code. What? So? What Matt is speaking to is solidly in the building code updates. Any landscape code updates is solidly in the zoning code. And that's why they're very 2 very different. This clarifying question, I mean, part of what Matt is talking about would be changing, which plans you would be allowed to use

[241:11] for fire purposes. Would that not been touched for Thanksgiving standards. That piece would. But the part that he was reacting to was a conversation that we had around the will be international codes, which is solidly building. So that's building materials. All that. It would not fetch the landscaping. Any landscaping code updates wooey or water wise is is a very significant that for the reasons that Mike spoke to in terms of enforcement and those types of things. So it clarified that we weren't speaking retroactively. We're just talking about new construction codes. So things like our current quote requiring mulch. Essentially I tell them that's not in the best interest of our fire protection.

[242:02] And maybe I'm getting ahead myself, and I could phone a friend here both and Joe and Mike, if they don't mind kind of speaking up. But putting putting that code in there is relatively straightforward. We would want to engage on a conversation about how we administer that and enforce it. I mean, I I think she's talking about things that we already do. And it's just the checklist would be a little bit different, like when you expect for a permit depending on landscaping standards. Yeah. So we already have that in the landscape code for everything that's not single family checks. We don't have any mechanism in place right now to do site plan review on single family detachments. Then that's what is very different. You would have to create an administrative program to do single family detached housing site plan and landscape submittals. It does get enclosed in single family zoning, particularly around streetscape design. Yes, at the subtitle yeah, and on a lot by law basis

[243:04] have. But anyway, bye. sorry. Yeah, no. So I'm just trying to provide clarity. And but I'm still not clear on what exactly that encompasses of what you want to do. I have concerns that our current phone create outcomes that are not in line with our goals of wildfire resistance and reduced water usage. And I would like us to re-look at that in both our multifamily and single family zones. Yeah, as as the code is currently included. And could could we say that, like that, additional scoping would need to be done, and you try to do it in as low a lift way as possible. that that would be a board. Okay, do I look at where it is now? The cool here, Brad, based on this conversations right here I think it can be even a lower lift for the way it's just up.

[244:02] Yeah. okay, don't worry. Don't worry. I haven't covered. Covered your thing. Remove them before you got them. Alright. do everybody, please take your car and pass it to the person on your left. It was. This is fine. So on Thursday we saw the low card question. Yeah, cause I want to do the economic development over there. I'm wondering if I could fold it in to the downtown situation. the way that connectors work is proposed and scoped up, there would be out of community vitality with a bunch of support, other departments in all cases. But

[245:18] so I think the 2 distinctly different products. So economic development strategy, including policy and code changes related to office vacancy, business recruiting incentives, a vacancy tax social streets, community events. That's what it's what I have here is economic vitality, development plan and incentives from in burden, including a small business support. Before I stick this up there. I just I realize I forgot my own road. I wanted to give directors a chance to provide any feedback before council members and second run, and I'll give you a chance to do it over on this, if you want to. Based on what you hear, Tara, any of you need to say anything based on what's already happened up here just as a hey, council. Fyi! Hey! Look! Brad has an fyi

[246:14] trying not to do it one less to last retreat. That's fair. The whole probably comprehensive plan. I appreciate it being listed where it is, I will say a lot of the other. Really, almost all of the other ones become fairly implicating in our ability to do that. So that is the city wide lift and and and it's every department. It's we happen to be the sponsors of it. But it's city wide Bernie's office communications and and every single subject matter. So when you're thinking about anything else that's up in that upper right hand corner we will probably collectively, with city manager's office. When when we come back, I think, on May ninth is that oh, goodness! May second there will probably be some trade offs there that will have to further define that we may not be able to do on fly today. So I just encourage everybody. Keep that, but also especially true of our

[247:17] A. Both policy planning group and the Long Reach planning Division. Any other directors need to provide any additional information or contacts for Council toll. Okay? Hearing none, Terry, you still gonna put this one up alright. So where do you think it goes? It's a little lift. Okay, how far you want me to go. But in the upper corner. The impact is how you pay for all of us. So over here on this, yes, okay. Great. Yeah. Yup, you're good.

[248:03] So we're here on impact. Okay. Fantastic, alright. It was a lucky dance with number 3. Alright! What do you got for me? Are you heavy side? I'm looking for something that's high impact and lower lift the the top the regional approach to migration. I think that looks like loose support. Visual approach in meeting recent immigration needs tell me where you think that is not impact. Okay, I'd love to hear from staff. Cmo. lift. I think it is a lighter lift. Okay? Medium ish here

[249:00] said later. High impact. I would say, lighter lift as we started over here. More. Okay. you will do my screen all right. hey? Number 4. Yes, ma'am, I spoke anyway. DVD, yep, Lauren. I think it was sign code revisions. Lauren. What's your impression? Let's see.

[250:00] Do I get to leave. Now I I love that this is a passion. I will also say it is actually an extraordinarily big lift, especially for the city attorney's office. Sign codes, unfortunately are. And and I say this with no exaggeration. Of all the codes I've ever worked on. Zoning codes sign codes are the hardest. which is unfortunate, because it is really a very small part of overall zoning but combined with the spring court case of 2,015 it was already hard to begin with. And with that having happened, it's just even harder to distinguish between the things that people find important out in the in the world in terms of the built environment, and and how people do workarounds on sign codes to do things that would universally be thought of as abusive. And make that distinction in a way that's equitable and meaningful and administrable is is very, very difficult, and it mostly lies with

[251:10] the attorney's office. with that pitch I would like to change at the very bottom. Yes, for increasing green space, allocation for new development. As long as it's okay that that I would like to look at. That is how we kind of chatted about it with instead of on a parcel by parcel basis like, are there ways that we can ensure? We're getting like public park allocation. Yeah, I think with my understanding of that. That could have a medium to high impact. Well, you get to decide that. But as far as a lift, it's probably you're probably in the right ballpark. It's gonna be a combination of things we can examine through the comp plan. It'll be part of

[252:25] any individual developments that come through and decisions that you make relative to that. There are probably some tweaks that we would be making with any other code changes and then opportunities through both park service levels. If Ali wanted to speak to that and related things. So it's it's Cross Department dude. Thank you. Alright. Number 5. Alright, Matt, we'll go with the research possible. This is from city attorney's office. So in the yellow via research, possible tools, reserve rental housing and for ship balance.

[253:03] okay? And you think that goes where on impacts? Oh, on impact is going to be somewhere in the middle? And I mean, it's research tools. So I don't know where that put it to Teresa in terms of impact, but I can't see it being huge to do without more scoping. I would say medium West Faye. 6 hats. See? Next? I will go to if he's studying implementation of policy children. Okay? Impact. I think. Fine. Hey? Staff studying implementation, studying comma implementation of public service programs, including high utilizers. I think it's medium.

[254:01] the high impact medium list like right there, cool. awesome. There's no room for it's a great answer at first that was. okay. 7 of hats. Let me show what you got. I am. Gonna go with mobile home park utility upgrade. Thank you. Thank you. And in fact. oh, sorry impact. In fact. Hi, hey, Sam. maybe if on a New year, so somewhere here medium is fine. We're kind of already doing that for the support role so so far.

[255:02] And that's inclusive of water and energy. It's the next Friday I've got that working group. Or I felt saying, addressing Council, process changes in my mind. This is a higher impact Provider. Largely because it is Us. Council. We do more so than staff again scoping. It's not necessarily looking for charter changes or things like that. It's operational things we can change. Are you comfortable with it somewhere over here. Right about. Is that okay? It's fine by me, as I understand this time. Great alright in the home stretch. Here 9 hearts. Take a great choice, voting for 1,000, please.

[256:01] And just so this. So this would be to to put together possibilities and come back to us, and I wouldn't be very careful about impacts on staff here. So this is not a right away kind of a thing. I would think we could start it after ballast, major season this year, and then it could kick off in time to maybe bring something a year later, maybe even after that. So I just want to be sensitive to the impacts in the way they trusted working group to explore options and tell me what we think in terms of impacts. It's kind of the medium. Okay, medium impact here and lift. It's a working group right there. I would say a little to the right. Sure. Okay, great 25. Patient. Okay? So to the part where Joe just said that the utility program upgrades are already happening. I just don't want to take a thought, if you mean like, will it out? But will it not

[257:00] more than just utilities? We have a supporting role in the global home parks. But that's been thinking, Mike, to the wind damage piece that we talked about. And just some of that other. You know, I'm I'm just concerned with our mobile home community period, and so sorry from my standpoint, I think I assume that Council still really cares about this. We should do it. But, Karen. I'm coming back. I think, to the extent that it's a priority. It signals to staff into the community about how we're bound. Where was I? Did we do 9, and I just didn't write down. Yes, that was you. Okay, alright. Last, but not least 10 of hats card I would go into mobile homes. as well.

[258:01] You can just give it a year here. Hi, council. First I cancel retreat. First applause I alright so cancel. I'm gonna ask will and anyone else who wants you to come and take a picture of this, and then make sure we lift up the other ones and take the picture of what's underneath there. Just so we can capture this. And we're gonna move these to the back of this whiteboard. Well, you think about where you'd like to put your 6 dots. So I just took point more. And I'm sorry this isn't my job, but I was just thinking some of the very early ones that went on the board without the benefit of the relative kind of sorting. For example, action city code. I just wanna make sure is that that looks right compared to some of the other stuff actually can't find it. I'm not sure if it's

[259:12] yeah, I wouldn't sweat it too much. This doesn't mean particularly anything other than that. So that so that actually is higher than the ones. This is a scut check. so I wouldn't. I wouldn't even sweat it. But it's meant to be successful. Right? Okay, alright. So will you. Come? Take a picture. Make sure you do the what I just said. It's just 2 here that are double up council. You need to think about how you'd like to send these here dots proper. Speaker ish. not changing. So this is why it's hard. Okay.

[260:03] like that. Thank you. Yeah, alright counsel some of you. I don't think anyone here was there. And there was a pretty dot methodology debate of I don't know. 2,009 where I stood in the snow in an actual snowstorm outside the library, with a former member of cancel debating dot methodology. Yeah, it was. It was a special time, and where I ended with is. And you guys know me. Now, I'm not absolutely what I said. Do with your overthinking this. So Dudes don't overthink this. People always ask, can I put more more than one dot on a single item there your dots, if how will I police that while you can? And I wouldn't know.

[261:00] I would ask you just to think about whether that is the most strategic use of your dots, particularly given the amount of lobbying I was seeing and coordinating that I was seeing during the break and then someone's gonna ask. can I tear one of my dots into? And then I'm seriously gonna roll my eyes. Be like no, that that is a bridge too far. So if you and then someone always asked, Can I sell my dots? And I'm like it was snowing. I'm telling you I got all these questions I'm like, Wow, thanks. Make good choices. Be honorable people that I know that you are. So don't put 2 dots on Monday again. I would discourage it. But how would I know? Cause they're all the same, they're all the same color. Could I go through and put everyone's name on it. Yes. Do I think that's actually useful? No, this is the honorable. I'm encouraging you, not okay. I appreciate that. This might take a minute.

[262:07] so we will resume while you're thinking about it. We're gonna get them stuck up over here and then away you should go with the dime. You guys might help them move the things over. That's for you. That's why I'm associated.

[263:16] Once they're up, let's move the board to the center here, so they don't have to. All you don't have. It

[276:06] is pdns near the emergency exit. and it isn't super fun. Yeah, I strive for a fun retreat, as I think you know. Alright.

[277:08] yes, it. Maria. I'm organizing these in the sending order of dots from left to right. So these are all the 5 right that makes these the floors? Okay? And then we should have else right there. Now. 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 love it. Are we done alright? And it's been it's under I wanna first. Nuria said. Yes on the number I want to check in with directors. Brad, how are you feeling? I I can't see it from here, so I assume none of ours are up there. You have a fair amount

[278:12] to talk. There's some thematically similar ones where it's like both got split. And I'm wondering if people haven't voted looking at it, now, you know, would they other council perspectives. how many we love finish. Nurie said, her her dream was 10. Yeah. yep. Is there anything any thought that goes into around the amount of time that these are gonna take? Because that's and I mean, extended over our council term right? And that really is like a short term. They

[279:04] so I mean, I know it's different departments and everything like that. But are we getting any consideration in this list of 10, or is that just the assumption that some will be quick, some will take a little longer. Does that help us? I think I can only see repeatedly in surveys both community. And and I think a comment earlier that what we looked at best priority signals to the community. What it is we're noticing that they care about pay attention to. So so yeah, I mean, I I take it, there is no magic number in 10 other than traditionally we need to have some certainty. And what staff capacity is right, because beneath all of that there is all of this and all that's on the other side, and all that is the work, plan, and all that is for services right? And so we need to move forward with the work that is there. And I wanna acknowledge, too, that there is. There are some that are well, certainly not a heavy lift, for all of staff. I will say that that you have seen particularly. I wanna think about State Attorney.

[280:15] That council pay this still a lift both for the clerk's office and for city attorney at remote people. So I get that and You know how it it depends on what else is added to the to the I. So I I just want to be thoughtful about what that looks like. Reluctant to lift up one completed and then replace it with something else. good result. If Staff were to survive this counseling firm. And they're, you know, functioning in 2 years and a lot of work here. What I will say, too. Is that what we have done and and council past is add a yes, if right, we have had a

[281:10] charge, and we tried to do that last term right if we are done. And and we you saw last year we did not get to that. We had an item, too. That was what was the item that relatively quickly. That was an electoral item. Oh, even years, election, right? We were able to do that relatively quickly, and still we did not get to all of the items on the term to your point on council pay, and we barely got to the council term items before the election ended. So just because we end one item on the council work plan, or as a council priority does not mean that we finish the council priorities before it's time. I think we have a yes, if and we can certainly put things on that on that agenda. But there are a lot of work that is done across the city that we do not get to. So I I see that I I hear that there's serious concern and frustration about these 2 issues around climate not elevating to the top. I also see that there's a a piece on there, as people mentioned, climate pay or council pay.

[282:17] It's already gonna be thrown at us on the ninth. Charter Committee is going to be working on it and questions, does it need to be elevated as a work plan. Item. if we're gonna just be doing it as part of our charter work. So it's a real fundamental question, is it burning one? And does the and does putting it up there mean that those votes could be reallocated to something like climate? So it's I mean the fact that it's there. I'll be honest. I chose count space. I saw it's critical nature. If it weren't up there I would have put my doubt on climate. So that's that's that's the rub we have. And if we're already going to be heading down that path. one could reallocate appropriately. I think I heard from Teresa that it is going to be a heavy enough lift. So I appreciate all the comments have been made and point about. We're signaling in part to to the community, right about what what our priorities are. So what I do want. I do not want to place any additional work on city staff that you guys are overburdened already.

[283:19] But keeping in mind that we are already planning on updating the Climate Action Plan. Would it be possible to list it as one of our priorities, since it is already work that we are planning to do. is it? This was one, I mean, when you talk about whether we change with the scope back. So the original climate Action plan update was on the back as it was happening anyway. So the reason I got moved over to the yeah. It is a priority wall was because we added to the scope of water literacy and biodiversity which increased the lift. So the question on the table is either rescoped or not rescoped. Can it just be listed as an eleventh priority for the signaling value

[284:03] and sort of the importance to counsel and to the community. That's the first question. If you're comfortable with that, and then I would want to know is that with the advanced scope or not. I think I would call Jonathan off and ask Jonathan about scope question. If you need the reiteration of what the expanded scope, and see how comfortable you are, because I wanna make sure that any expansion of scope fits within what you're able to accomplish within a work. Thanks again for the record, Jonathan Cohen, director of common initiatives. So I I was perfectly comfortable. Where this was sitting previously, as it is in motion. Staff is gonna be taking a lot of a look at updated climate Action plan with some of the things we discussed earlier with looking at our goals and targets, doing some of those updates. Looking at expanding some of the scope of our work right now, you and I had a conversation about

[285:00] some of the added scope that you brought forward. And so we've not fully scoped on what that actually is. Gonna add to the update. I'm certainly comfortable adding it to the scope of of our evaluation. Whether or not it it results in new programming. New additional resources to those programs. I can't answer that question right now, but I'm hopefully comfortable, including in our scope, as we move it forward this year. And and could we say that if there is, if we can do additional things, we can do it, and if not, it falls on the yes, it's fair. So I might say that we can move climate action plan over into this bunch. And what goes on the yes, F is climate, action, plan, scope, expansion, if elapsed. is that, are you fine about that. So I was. I was earlier sort of asking a question. This procedure question. It might affect the options here. We're just pointing out that if people, you know, we all put dots on a different orders. So there's a little bit of randomness with what you know some branded happening. And I'm just noticing, like 2 different climate ones here, and if the people who put dots on those now having a chance to look at them before we put the dots away, would say, my dots are in the right place, like, for example.

[286:13] with with people who have dots on the top and say, You know what's picking this. Maybe I want the bottom one, or vice versa, like before we put the dots away. Can we entertain that as a I mean, I'm not opposed to it in concept. But since I didn't have your names on your dots, how do I know that you're not living someone else's dot? Let me say justice, and I trust you you a little bit less than the others, because you're new to me. But I think just want to make sure we were done with the dot putting exercise. So if I could paraphrase you, correct me if I'm wrong, right? Maybe if you had seen how the dots were gonna end up

[287:04] you would have put your dots somewhere differently. We were watching with it right? And so the suggestion on the table is, should we have a moment. Say, anyone who put their dots somewhere else. Would you like to move it so that changes potentially a lot of things so love to hear comfort or discomfort with Mark. Yeah, little uncomfortable with we litigating the choices point of order. Some of my priorities have been accepted as priorities. Many have not just the the way it goes sometimes. and there's always another between 2 years. And I, I basically saying, I don't like the result

[288:00] troubling. and was able to put a I think, with the whole process. The question is simply about, Are we done with dots? Click on dots? So if we're done with us. I'm good. Alright closure on that. Is that what your car is that for? Or is it something else? Okay, alright. So the suggestion, oh, go ahead. Okay? So the suggestion was for a variety of reasons. Climate action plan update comes over here to be identified and treated. Not just not just like where you put it on the website, but actually treated as a council priority with the original scope at a minimum. And then, as Jonathan and his people are do are bringing Council back a scope of this.

[289:02] You'll consider and try to get as much in as you can. and then anything else that is above and beyond what you can do with current resources and stuff, goes on the yes, if you have time and ability. Jonathan's give me a thumbs, thumbs up counsel comfortable. With that I need to see 5. Thank you, Nori. Double checking that that is in your comfort zone. Maybe it's because climate action plan is already. It's afternoon. It's gonna get an asterisk alright. Now that we're visiting a little bit about the yes, if list appreciating your comments that the yes, if list is heavy on the if, and a little light on the yes, given staff's capacity and current commitments. Counsel, anything else that you want to think about like, no, but seriously, if you happen to have time.

[290:08] would love for you to consider this additional item. Yeah, yep, Tara. And then, Taisha, there's like a tie out speed there, and that's I like the middle. the middle housing task force, just because we can't seem to get middleing from housing. So maybe that'll give us new ideas. Okay, let me hear other thoughts on that. Can I ask you to clarify a question? You may talk so there's middle housing. And then there's middle income housing. And so I'm wondering which which one is any and both. This is Tina. Your idea? Yeah. And that is correct all the above. So for something to find its way to the yes, if less, I do need and not a 5 to move the middle income housing, working group to the yes, if there's test stack capacity list, do I have that show hands? Yep, thank you. Hey, Taisha, you had what

[291:02] those aren't editable. I know. Okay, go. Well, the regional housing thing. you know, we have that summit, and they're awesome. And I'm just kind of curious what the next steps are I don't know. I don't feel like it's any of these things. It's just something that we haven't discussed that I wanted to make sure. Oh, one of the things, what about the regional housing thing? So we'll never update 5 years. No, so the the region housing partnership is working on several things currently. One is trying to assist the Commissioners with the structure of the one b funding

[292:01] and another thing that's impacting us as a city as well as the other cities is our department. Hs has received funds, and he'll be receiving an Ij very soon to fund our department to create for us for sale. Affordable housing in the rest of the county. And so it's a program that works well in the city of Boulder. They want to replicate that throughout the county. Do we get a cut by licensing that and so they're they're they're paying for the staff resources. To support that. I think it's in the can't remember exactly the the amount that it's 1 million and a half or something like that over to 2 year, 2 or 3 years. and so that's that's the regional approach. Also working with Longmont. Long months is working on updating their

[293:09] they've been running the home repair programs for our region. So we're looking at upgrading that and then we're working with each of the local communities around policy updates as well. I guess I'm just asking, because again, it's like it goes back to what I said about me is like, I don't do well with this one piece over here because little old come or middle anything. It's connected to low income it's connected to. So that's why I'm just wondering if that could be there. The the Mobile Home Park it's already upgrade, so might get wrong on the years. But about 4 or 5 years ago, Council. It approved. Our manufacturer home strategy.

[294:02] And then that strategy was present. The council, I think about it was updated and shown account. So I think it was about 2 and a half years ago or so, and utilities was actually one of the strategies and we've worked with. We've made some changes to that with with Joe's team and how they work and support around the the utilities. We also have a program. It's under Jonathan's team, currently, that's doing energy repairs to to mobile homes. And then under my department. We're actually doing a lot like conflicts in mobile homes as well in trying to support issues around that. So a lot of the things are established in the current strategy that's been adopted by council. And

[295:00] My! My only concern about putting it up there is. It's there's a strategy that's approved for implementing it. I'm not sure what activities we would do. Or if we're just increasing certain activities or putting more resources into it. least it's full ask on. That was to do the utility upgrade exchange for the negotiated period handwriting, stabilization. which I don't think has been done anywhere. We very, very strong precedent. And so then that's kind of the tail end of it. Not just to go and say you do. 60 will be 40, and I think it's a high impact item. Obviously, for the residents will also be a very high impact message throughout the State. That new solution found to offer these kinds of protections. You know

[296:01] we're not. We're not getting it out of our elected officials at the moment. And so a little creativity on our part might actually do something very present. So so that was part of the strategy. We've met with all of the Park owners. That was the last 2 years no one are are at all interested in conversation. but but Joe has. And and the other question is, where? What what resource would go towards that. It's it's a million dollar. This sounds like a great conversation for you to have when this comes to you and not right now? Oh, yeah, you got your question answered, okay? Fantastic, alright. Thank you, Kurt, alright. Counsel any action. Additional thoughts. Okay. First of all. just take a minute. Think about where we were yesterday. Got to know each other a lot.

[297:00] learn about each other. made some procedural changes, lots of juicy stuff to come. lots of work staff congratulations. I think you'll be busy. And I you know nobody likes a short thing, I'm sure. So, looking forward to hearing how all of this lands? Fantastic couple of days, I think would love to give anyone who has a a thought in their heart. Particularly if I'm really excited to leave this room because of. I might be delighted to hear that. And I'll end Mr. Mayor with you if you have any final thoughts for the group, anyone have any parting thoughts for the group. Matt. Oh, wow! It will be a long time. if not, I mean. I don't know how much longer I have left at this body. but to have every one of you and my council colleagues all in the same room the same time. And so it's it's a really cool to sort of sit back and absorb that, because normally we'll get just a fraction of you at this meeting or that week. So I'm just sort of taking it back by just having a lot of great staff in this whole city really just sort of sitting here in one space, recognizing that now we get to move in a unified front.

[298:09] taking forward a lot of these great priorities. I don't know. I'm just really humbled and and filled with a lot of gratitude. To be in that room with you all, and to have gotten to this place where we get to set the course for the next couple of years. So I'm gonna sit on that for a while. It'll be a good smile, my face. And I I think it's also brought a lot of us together. I love in many ways how this conversation among this elected body also brought staff as each in so many ways. I thought that was really cool. Here's our priorities that was like it. It was not this top down thing that that I think the Government tends to be, and I love that there was a much level before level playing field, and we all got upgraded colleagues in this instance, and hopefully we care that for so lot of gratitude there. And I just wanna give a big thanks to to heather there was a minute where I was like, and and just

[299:00] knocks it out of the park every time. So so big. Thank you. has more experience than anyone. But this is my third retreat, and I think it's by far the best specializing in related positions of people. I'm an action concerns and management and the scope of our work. It's a fairly well balanced set of priorities. Go and has a wide range of concerns. and now that we can't do everything within any 2 year period, but got some really good projects here to work on, and the way in which we got here. I think it's been really terrific. No shoes have been thrown. I'm sorry what we have done with Brad Berserk.

[300:04] but it's so. I think it's been a really very productive council. and and certainly in my experience, the best one that I have participated. Yes. yeah. Yeah, I guess. Thanks everyone for all your information and everything we learned during this process, and also having a peaceful collaborative process very important to me. I also really love these priorities and no offense. But compared to 2 years ago. They feel more strategic to me, and I feel like I know what the outcomes. This feels really good to me, and I think it's going to be fun to watch them both. Nicole first of all to our Council employees. Now

[301:01] accounts employees, especially Mary Ann Teresa. I think the way that we got to having more strategic having one of the specialties. I was so like the pre work that that we've done on our on the internal strategy. You know, Teresa also just kind of keeping us in chat like you know everything about this work. Release and and I think helping us think about how we balance. And so I just want to thank that also, just thinking to staff for for finding ways, even for some of the things that we weren't able to kind of get at the larger scope that we might have wanted to get mine. You still found ways to kind of get pieces in there some information that wouldn't have been there otherwise. So I really appreciate that it. It feels good coming out to not feel like, you know, you've lost a bunch of stuff that they're by having the conversation. We have changed some of the things that are coming. And so I just wanna thank you for that. And just for the work that you do every day, keep us going, and then deal with new stuff like this.

[302:05] I have one more. Thank you to Meg, so she's still here she was. It has been vital on our subcommittee, and she did so much, and I'm sure she had some sleepless nights trying to prepare 2 things. First gratitude. Yeah, heather to you and Maria and the Retreat Committee, Nicole and Tara, so many others. I really enjoy this experience. Excuse me, and I felt like it was very well prepared and just grateful for you all putting this together. And the other one also is sort of a note of gratitude, and I just was but really taken into the first half of this retreat that, and and also this morning, that a lot of the work that we have done is to

[303:01] lift up and and and affirm things that are in flight that are the results of work over the last year or 2 from this previous city council, but as well as staff. We have parking reform coming to us with with eliminating the docket to consider. Pdm. Signals. Policy is all coming ahead. We we agreed to reformulate our transportation policy held. 2 of our city code under work. Staff is I think it's extremely exciting. and we've clarified some of our climate. There is a climate focus in a way that I think is is also very very positive. So just wanted to acknowledge that the board here is also what the work, and I'm truly excited to think about. The next couple of years of this body. And all the exciting things are from the forest to to develop. So thanks. Yeah. Again echoing the appreciations. And just the reminder that we're on in an generational journey. It's our turn. I'm just really grateful to be on this team with all of you, and look forward to continuing to position ourselves so that we can be our best, and recognizing that they were there. Inevitably, you wanna make

[304:20] telling your plans. And so I also want to honor the grace that we must extend to each other as we try and implement this hurricane task. And again, I'm just really really grateful. And and I'm just hopeful that we can continue to have these opportunities to think strategically and not always just be on our heels. So thank you, Nicole, for this piece around processes and all the people that voted for that. Because again, I I this is some of this, not sexy under the hood work that makes all of these other things possible. So thank you. Errant. alright. Well, wrap up. I'm gonna start the wrap up with a round of applause for a fantastic facility.

[305:10] Every one of my retreats with you. There's a a moment. Always swoop in and rescue us, and, you know, get us to that successful outcome. So thanks thanks again, and huge thanks to our Retreat committee that I will pull Tara and also to Meg's from the assistance there absolutely appreciate. It's been so so successful. And then I just have to back to you all this whole time. But you all are extraordinary, this and this is, I will say, easily the best city staff team that I've worked with in my 8 and a half years. City Council. 2 person you are the second place to work with. and it's my honor and my pleasure like joy every day, you know, to do the one this one together, and that includes, for sure our leadership team as well, so Pam and Mark Chris amazing! And our council employees just extraordinary. We couldn't work with a better set of people, you know, Teresa and Maria and, Jeff.

[306:09] we're just very blessed. as well as to my extraordinary colleagues, new and returning. We're just in really good hands. So off to the races. Let's get it done. We are a jurisdiction. That's the worst.