March 7, 2024 — City Council Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

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[4:05] this is my favorite Boulder background one that's found in my list only like four options yeah I gotta figure out how to turn flip it who we okay do we have everybody like people are not everybody has their camera on so I'm having a little trouble counting one two three four five six seven eight Matt's not here is he absent today not to my knowledge no sir and that's why we didn't have the dad joke where are the dad jokes they're in Mexico with Matt is Matt absent today yes yeah was I think what he told

[5:00] me that last week maybe I just texted him I'll let you know if I hear something yeah I think he was he was doing a trip to Mexico with some friends got it in which case we have everybody here so I will go ahead and gabble us started welcome everyone to the March 7th 2024 business meeting of the Boulder City and Elicia if you could start us with a roll call please yes sir and good evening everyone and thank you for being here we'll start tonight's roll call with council member Adams present council member Benjamin is absent mayor bronet present council member fuler present Marquis present shoard here mayor protim spear

[6:01] present council member Wallock here and Wier present mayor we have our quum thank you Alicia our first item is 1A which is a Boulder Medical Center 75th anniversary anniversary declaration presented by mayor protm spear so Nicole if you take it away please thank you my pleasure to do this tonight on this momentous occasion the city of Boulder proudly recognizes Boulder Medical Center as it commemorates 75 years of dedicated service to our community since its establishment in 1949 Boulder Medical Center has been a steadfast pillar of Health Care Excellence embodying professionalism compassion and Innovation at its Inception Boulder Medical Center pioneered a revolutionary approach to healthc care delivery by forming a multi-p Specialty Group comprised of Physicians from diverse fields

[7:00] this Innovative model has fostered seamless collaboration among providers ensuring comprehensive and Coordinated Care for patients across Boulder County and Beyond anchored in the principles of local independent and physician-owned Care Boulder Medical Center remains deeply rooted in the fabric of our community with a firm commitment to serving the unique needs of Boulder County residents the practice has expanded to Encompass five locations with the roster of over 85 providers as an independent entity Boulder Medical Center retains the autonomy to prioritize patient care Above All Else ensuring that decisions are made in the best interest of their patients this unwavering dedication to Excellence has earned the trust and respect of countless individuals and families throughout the generations therefore on behalf of the city of Boulder we extend our heartfelt gratitude to Boulder Medical Center for 75 years of exceptional service and unwavering commitment to the health and well-being of our community we the city

[8:01] of the city council of the city of Boulder Colorado recognize and celebrate March 7th 20124 as the 75th anniversary of the Boulder Medical Center and now as I understand it we will play a short video at the request of the recipients of this evening's declaration our story is full of big-hearted big Vision people doing life-changing work for individuals and families in Boulder County and Beyond when Boulder Medical Center opened in 1949 it was an Innovative approach to healthcare and it still is today Boulder Medical Center was formed by a group of 10 Physicians from different Specialties who came together to help meet the needs of the community after World War II what was unique at the time is that it was a multip Specialty Group with which really does allow for coordinated and collaborative

[9:02] care amongst providers which offers the best for our patients it's impressive that that has lasted and we've been able to continue to serve our community for 75 years in a multip specialty practice what we're really talking about is a group of Physicians with separate areas of expertise we have specialists in not just Pediatrics or family medicine or internal medicine but we have subp specialists in ENT Dermatology ology surgery and we care about each other's patients and taking care of all the patients at Boulder Medical Center I think something that's really special about Boulder Medical Center is that it is a local practice we're focused on taking care of people who live in Boulder County being able to provide for the community's needs Boulder Medical Center really tries to bring in the expertise needed to address those sort of things because it's an independent physician owned practice you have a lot of say in how things run and how they work I really Val value the independence

[10:00] and flexibility it allows us to do what's right for our patients being local independent and physician owned it provides us with unique insight into what our community healthc care needs are looking forward I think Boulder Medical Center has been very responsive we are bringing on more Physicians and more practitioners to address specific needs in the community and we've been expanding in the areas of Boulder County where patients are moving to in order to bring that Medical Care closer to them we are part of the community we are taking care of our neighbors most of us our patients of Boulder Medical Center our family members are patients of Boulder Medical Center the biggest things that have prompted me to stay here for close to 18 19 years now are I love my patients I love the continuity that I have had with them and it allows me to practice medicine in a way that I find meaningful and feel that I'm able to deliver the best possible care as a physician and the father of two young boys who are

[11:01] also patients here at Boulder Medical Center I can really tell that the people care that they want to provide good care that they want to provide collaborative care that they want to provide Cutting Edge and Innovative care and provide that to the Boulder Community which is truly our Focus hi council members thank you so much for allowing us to join excuse me for my less than professional atmosphere attire I'm at a boulder High Fair viiew uh Ultimate Frisbee tournament so um my name is Heather bright hoffm I'm OBGYN uh at Boulder Medical Center been a a practicing provider here many years have delivered many Boulder babies um and I'm currently our board president and I just want to thank you for allowing us to come and really just want to thank you for being a a support to us

[12:02] and uh we want to just offer a thank you um for creating such a great place for us to practice medicine and take great care of our patients we want to thank our community for supporting our business and most of all we want to thank our patients for the honor of allowing us to take care of them we look forward to being here another 75 years thank you have a great night well thank you heather Don and Julia for joining us and congratulations on this truly exceptional anniversary 75 years what an accomplishment and as someone who gets pretty much all of my health care from the Boulder Medical Center I can attest personally to the quality of the care that you have there at your facilities so thanks for everything thank you so much thank you take care bye bye and now it is time for open comments so Elisha if you could read our public parti ipation guidelines

[13:01] please yes sir thank you so very much good evening again everyone Elicia Johnson serving the city as your records manager and city clerk I appreciate you all being here with us tonight the city has engaged with community members to co-create a vision for productive meaningful and inclusive Civic conversations this Vision supports physical and emotional safety for community members staff and Council as well as democracy for people of all ages identities lived experiences and political perspectives for more information about this vision and the community engagement processes please visit our website at Boer colorado.gov servicesproducts Vision these will be

[14:00] upheld during this meeting all remarks and testimonies shall be limited to matters related to City business no participant shall make threats or use other forms of intimidation against any person obscenity racial epithets and other speech and behavior that disrupts or otherwise impedes the ability to conduct the meeting are prohibited participants are required to sign up to speak using the name they are commonly known by and individuals must display their whole name before being allowed to speak online currently only audio testimony is permitted online thank you again for being here and joining us and I'll turn it back to you sir thank you Alicia all right so uh we've got two people have withdrawn so we've got eight PE 18 people on the speaking list each person will get two minutes I'll read three names time and our first three

[15:00] speakers are Douglas Hamilton Sergio atala and Randall Clark hello can you hear me looks like so okay great uh good evening members of council when I listen to my Israeli and Palestinian friends I can't help from hearing the snowballing effect of generations of trauma Cycles upon CES of trauma but the answer to this trauma is not more trauma it is caring support understanding and accountability as we speak all reports show the humanitarian crisis in Gaza worsens by the day the humanitarian crisis while insanely terrible and deadly for the people of Gaza also destabilizes Israel and the rest of the world one can recognize the horrible events of October 7 and the horribleness of the subsequent War but what can we do here in Boulder to

[16:01] model healing the trauma of this conflict through support understanding and accountability you may not realize it but we have a tool citizens assemblies citizens assemblies are part of your recently published recommendations of improving public meetings and engagement in the city a citizen assembly is a group of randomly selected demographically representative paid participants like jury duty after selection the assembly engages an in-depth analysis of a specific issue hears testimony from experts and regular folks and deliberates then makes informed consensus-driven decisions about the issue the process has several advantages to the city it frees up City resources removes decisions from the political process and it results in a deliberative consensus-driven decision please consider using the cons the community assembly process uh to determine two issues should an issue be uh should the city issue a statement or

[17:02] the assembly issue a statement on the War and what should that statement be thank you very much and have a good evening thank you Douglas now we have Sergio atalo Randle Clark and Steven Bross yes uh hello city council thank you for giving us time to those of us who believe that stopping a genocide that is supported by our tax dollars is an imperative I want to introduce to you some of the boulder residents that were interviewed by the Rocky Mountain PBS that are being affected by the on goinging genocide rham and Ahmed abuba have the most of their family in Gaza relatives killed are now frantic with worry trying to reach surviving relatives their parents' house which took the family six years to build was destroyed they sought Refuge at a school which was also bombed they now live in a

[18:01] tent and like most people in Gaza have to risk their lives in search of a pound of flour you can go to slide three trying to reach the relatives go to um Slide Five please this is sa jar demonstrating that Palestinians are people too he and his wife manal own Arabesque you might want to stop by and and bring his sympathies his relatives are in the West Bank where Naas incidentally is located 420 people have been killed by the IDF and Israeli settlers in the West Bank since October 7 where there are no Hamas members and over 7,000 have been captured ad under administrative detention go to slide seven please Abdul Abdullah Ela he's he is one of

[19:01] the the the city residents in Denver he says 120 of my relatives have been killed since this war started there are three entire families of my relatives that have been erased from the Civil registry children parents grandchildren all gone go to eight slide eight these are thousands of people only half an hour from the Boulder City Council and yet they get it go to nine um your your time is up but thank you very much for your testimony now we have Randle Clark Steven Bross and Flanders Norton unmute okay uh this is Randall Clark can you hear me yes oh thank you so much because I don't see anything um thank you for allowing me to speak um I I want to say to everyone who is

[20:00] listening and to the council I appreciate the work that you do I have requested formally an apology from Council for a word and phrase that you used on the February 15th agenda agenda when you discussed whether you were going to consider ceasefire resolution request and um that phrase I will read the dis the statement that you had in the agenda and which is in the written copy and online discussion to confirm council's position to decline or accept moving forward with the consideration of a ceasefire resolution regarding the Israeli hyphen Gaza conflict it is not an Israeli hyen Gaza conflict we don't consider that no resolution ever stated that it is not in relationship to Israeli people we all know words matter this is a summary of what I sent you um and I know you know words matter words can ease tensions as well as ignite inions this agenda item egregiously

[21:01] misrepresents the ceasefire resolution to imply that the resolution supports the phrase israel-gaza conflict the inclusion of the word Israeli in this context is inaccurate the resolution never accuses the Israeli people of anything nor does the resolution state that the conflict is between israelies and Gaza this is a very important distinction that I know you understand and it's Central to concerns of every party that has come before you who are for and against the proposed ceasefire resolution I know you understand the importance of setting this record straight and I just feel that it's important for you to apologize for using these phrase Israeli Gaza the resolution never stated Israeli Gaza the resolution for the record stated concered citizens want the council to adopt a resolution regarding the conflict em from the Gaza strict one to prevent further loss of life there

[22:02] must be an immediate and sustain thank you for your testimony now we have Steven Bross Flanders Lorton and Aram Bingham good evening council members I am Steven Bross from Boulder 3240 folsome Street and I'm with my organization the powerof us.co and I'm speaking to voice my support of a peace resolution for the god a strip conflict we are calling for a ceasefire for humanitarian Aid and to end military funding and for divestment from all related military organizations in involvement we are 90 seconds to midnight on the Doomsday Clock the very real threat of nuclear war if this war goes unchallenged we put the whole planet at risk and that's a very chilling local issue remaining silent on this issue is a vote for genocide we just want you to know that many of us voters are grateful for and support council members who take courageous a

[23:02] courageous stand for peace and in my view this issue transcends politics it's a humanitarian issue it's a moral crisis and an issue of international law the bombing of Gaza is a blatant violation of the Geneva Convention and the universal Declaration of Human Rights we need you to stand Faithfully by this law and resolution if the Council Claims it doesn't want to get involved in foreign affairs Boulder already sends 1.6 million tax dollars to Israel wouldn't that money be better spent here resolving our problems not given to a country already receiving billions in aid from the federal government also the city council has passed humanitarian resolutions in the past related to Iraq Myanmar and South Africa to take the courageous stand now will be to stand in solidarity with 85 other US cities who have had chosen who have chosen to align with the right side of history in my opinion I have a friend in Boulder with

[24:01] ties to a Palestinian family that is desperate to escape to Safety in Egypt but it will cost them $63,000 and they've already lost one of their family members to this conflict so please support a peace resolution to help his family and thousands like them thank you for your attention and deep consideration of this critical issue good night thank you now we have Flanders Lorton Aram Bingham and estria cheron good evening can you hear me yes hi thank you today marks five entire months of Bloodshed in Gaza five months of massacres that kill over 100 women and children every single day five months of force starvation detainment torture and abject humiliation of the Palestinian people I ask you what kind of person supports a military that opens fire on desperate and starving civilians awaiting food not once but many times what kind of a person supports a

[25:00] military that bombs thousands of families in their homes instantly killing some and leaving others with horrific injuries and the mental trauma of losing their entire families in an instant what type of person intentionally prevents humanitarian aid from reaching millions of starving civilians that is not a person who wants peace only death in calling for a permanent ceasefire we are calling for Life a recent yugov poll showed that 62% of former Biden voters support ending all weapon sales to isra as long as they continue to be used in the Gaza Strip 62% is a massive plurality moreover only 14% of Biden voters said that we should not end weapon exports as Democrats by remaining silent you are only representing 14% of your constituency the images we are seeing now are hor horrifically similar to those we saw from the Nazi concentration camps the same images of starvation Mass detainment humiliation and death are coming out of Gaza right now and today on International women's day has been reported that over 60,000 pregnant women are suffering from acute

[26:00] malnutrition and dehydration never again means never again for anyone and I highly encourage you to schedule a meeting with the amazing people from the Jewish voices for peace they are an incredible organization and I have met more Jewish people organizing for Palestine than I have before in my entire life they are all set strong courageous and deeply caring individuals what we are asking for is an end to the violence against all people we represent an extremely diverse Intercultural interface and Inter ethnic Coalition and we are calling for you to stand up St and make the political calculation that murdering innocent children women and families is not an American value it is not a democratic value and it is not a Jewish value the only way to find lasting peace is to stop this endless violence please call for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza thank you thank you now we have Aron Bingham srea cheran and he Ingam all right my name is Aron and I live in Boulder I'm here to begin a collective

[27:00] statement to urge the council to pass a ceasefire resolution as the first step and bare minimum towards the liberation of the Palestinian people we ask you to pay close attention to why this is a local issue for the council to weigh in on on February 15th mayor Brackett claimed that a city rule says Council should not take up foreign policy matters as a justification to not weigh in on The Siege Gaza as councilwoman Adam stated the city council has passed resolutions concerning US policies on Myanmar and South Africa furthermore the council has even participated in boycotts of Freedom that the state of Colorado took from us in 2016 while we dispute several council members disingenuous characterization of Israel's genocidal campaign as a foreign Affair councilman Adams also reminded us that the council's rules on considering Foreign Affairs were adopted from the previous Council and they can be changed again many council members keep repeating that a ceasefire resolution is not a local issue and therefore should not be taken up here let us tell you why this issue is also a local issue we

[28:01] Boulder residents all of us even when we do not want to admit it are affected by the horror unfolding in Gaza some more than others in our community we have palestinian-american students women children and Elders who have lost family members murdered in this genocide indigenous and black people relive the trauma of their own genocide land theft sexual and physical violence surveillance and enslavement some of us are descendants of historically overlooked genocide such as the AR iian Irish and Bosnian genocide which have been ignored or denied by many Western decision makers while they were ongoing my own Armenian great great grandfather was publicly dismembered by ottoman Turks as the Armenian Genocide unfolded under the cover of World War I we know from genocide Scholars that the worst stages of genocide take place under the cover of so-called legitimate War as we are witnessing now we are also parents siblings Aunts Uncles and Bings of children and we are deeply traumatized by seeing in real time children starving to death having limbs amputated and losing all their family

[29:01] members thank you next we have estrea cherin Hep Ingam and Mohammad pz hi um my name is estria Sharon from Boulder I'm the board chair of the boulder NAA sister city project however I'm not speaking on behalf of the organization tonight I'm here to express my personal views I encourage you to consider a resolution calling for a ceasefire in Gaza In This Moment silence is complicity inaction is complicity I'm sorry to say that in times when grave crimes against humanity are being committed it becomes incumbent upon all citizens of the world to do what we can to stop the massacre that is underway anything less is complicity this is why dozens and dozens

[30:03] of city councils across the United States have passed ceasefire resolutions they like you are aware that these resolutions singularly do not impact foreign policy but in aggregate they send a very strong message to those who have who do have a say in our foreign policies and these other city council people like you are largely not experts in Middle Eastern history current events or international human rights law but we can all see that Horrors are being inflicted upon hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians according to the Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin 25,000 women and children have been slaughtered in the past four months think about that 25,000 by any sane definition that is catastrophic and genocidal you must act

[31:03] you must do that which is within your power to do you must pass a ceasefire resolution demanding an permanent ceasefire and doing so will be beneficial not only for gazin but also for Israelis and hostages and Americans This is thank you our next testifiers are he Ingam moham Kus and Adel Raja hey good evening so no one starts out wanting to close the airport it starts out when the pilots choose to fly low over your home and then ask you ask them to follow the rules they tell you these are

[32:01] recommendations we can and will do whatever we think is best so you go to the FAA and ask them to get the pilots to follow the FAA altitude standard and to avoid flying below a thousand feet the FAA managers and inspectors tell you it's not in the public interest for us to follow claims about airplane altitude or noise violations looking at the history uh one can see that the operations pattern flying and the glider toe flights are up about 400% from the 1990s this was all done with no public com comment no input from those affected and it's followed only with the threat of lawsuits by the pilot groups and their business interests using the hook of FAA money that gives them unrestricted use of public facility the tired refrain why did you move next to an airport did you think geese flew there misses the point that pilot communities have given themselves the the right to expand their operations for profit and amusement in perpetuity

[33:02] without any oversight or restriction changing a small tolerable airport into a system of subsidy for privileged users who externalize the cost of noise and lead poisoning the pilot groups have lawsuits waiting using FAA rules to threaten the city in case the city tries to seek Justice for those on the ground that's the reality of the airport and of all the ga airports across the country which is why so many of the small airports are seeking closure I think you should make the land available to all of Boulder and those in the county that take the brunt of their noise and Lead pollution 179 Acres should serve tens of thousands not 200 we don't have to care about what they do the people they fly over that's why I signed the petition to convert it to a neighborhood I'm hoping you will too thank you next we have Muhammad kusz Adel Raja and Lara

[34:18] Gonzalez uh hello can you guys yes we can hear you you can get started looks like Mohammad may have dropped off okay why don't we move on and hopefully he'll rejoin and we can get back to him so next then would be Ado Raja

[35:01] hello can you guys hear me yes sweet uh apologies for my voice a little under the weather today so I sound like I'm speaking for my nose um I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to have your words uh you know I saw you guys on the virtual last time around I didn't get a chance to speak so I'm happy that I'm getting a chance to speak it would have been much better in person so I'm not sure what happened but I'll take virtual um you know I was talking to my friends the other day and I kind of I mentioned I was like you know I watch the news and I don't understand why are we so hateful uh are the American people just hateful people are we racist people I don't understand why are we not making a case for the Palestinian people it makees no sense to me just the other day there were civilians gathered around to get food and they were shot at by the tanks and by people there's 100 people plus died and I don't understand why and the fact that I have to come to talk to you guys to make a case for a ceasefire is

[36:01] mindboggling to me it makes no sense I do acknowledge half of our politician if not all are paid for by APAC and they're owned by a foreign government right that's why they're they're allowing all this to happen I don't think APAC uh funds to local level so I'm not sure how much of many of y'all are owned by a foreign government I I really think you should open up your mind here and kind to uh go with the American people it is no joke that American people are saying hey we must present ceasefire this makes absolute no sense there's so much fake news out there talking about the rape of the Israeli woman I just saw article about that the debunking about that on October 7th that this was written by a uh the information came from like a uh Israeli Former Intelligence persons right so that took the news while the news of Palestinian woman who are being raped or goes under the radar so I don't

[37:00] understand what is going on it is a local issue I urge you local representative to listen to us I really I'm hoping that you guys kind of change your mind and and talk about this this symbolic resolution but thanks for your testimony next we have Lara Gonzalez Gayla Kaplan and Elliot fladen hi can you all hear me yes uh before my time starts can I state that Muhammad is trying to call back in can you like restart my time please because I'm just trying to advocate for someone else so we rest started it for you yeah please don't start it yet because I'm not there yet and I also want to ask because I am concerned that consom Tara Wier doesn't seem to be paying attention so I would appreciate if she gives us um full you can start your testimony now please okay start my time now please um so I'm continuing our Collective statement the US has been sending around

[38:01] $4 billion dollar in annual pay to military aid to Israel 1.6 million of which comes from Boulder City County uh residents alone on top of this our Colorado Senators just voted to send an additional 14 billion for weapons to Israel and the US has made over 100 individual weapons transferred to the Israeli military over the past five months this is a local economic issue in Boulder County food insecurity went up 14% from 2022 to 2023 and child poverty and the number of students living in homelessness has more than doubled from 2019 to 2022 the s in Gaza has led to forc starvation of children were tax dollars while we also fail our own children in Boulder number three the planet warming emissions generated during the first two months of the war in gasa were greater than the annual carbon footprint footprint of more than 20 of the world's most climate vulnerable Nations you claim to be committed to climate and environmental issues do you really believe that climate is a local issue only polluting the world at this rate affects us directly number four this is a local

[39:00] issue because Council woman Wier brought an ADL member on January 18th to Mark Holocaust remembered States one this historic atrocity did not happen here and we understand the global impact of that genocide which we recognize today and of course we support it two you brought a member of ADL which supports a Jewish and Democratic state of Israel which is an international issue three you dismissed the Holocaust of turto Island and the current Holocaust in Palestine perpetuated by the state of Israel in your statement this language has been used by Scholars and academics who have conducted immense Research In global genocides and Holocaust excluding other Holocaust is exclusive and we're not playing oppression Olympics here number five if you don't pass any moral or policy work to stop this genocide your legacy in the city council will be your silence and blatant opposition to a us back genocide with or local taxes no matter what Transportation housing racial Equity climate policy work you do and Champion none of it will be remembered we're making this Collective statement because we want it to be the record and live forever in the internet to show that your to show your grandchildren and

[40:01] children Generations you stood and what action you took to our next speakers are Gila Kaplan Elliot fayen and ly seagull hello do you hear me yes okay you can start my name is Gila and I'm disgusted to be Israeli when asking an 8-year-old what they want to be when they grow up they say I want to be a doctor pilot comedian an 8-year-old in Gaza says if I live I want now even a 5-year-old says I want to die in order to join his deceased family when I was five my Zionist parents moved from Deerfield Illinois to Israel sheltered under the iron Dome the sound of sirens proved to be no real

[41:00] threat Gins die under the shrieks of one ton bombs Israeli officials call it mowing the lawn a term used for the thinning of a population each blade of grass represents a human being a mother a brother a child I am a political immigrant my daughter will not grow up Rain wased dehumanizing and demonizing nor serve in an army of occupation on October 7th in front of the starving Gins young Israelis were raving at a peace party currently a sack of flour costs $1,000 US dollars in Gaza Gaza is inhabitable Israelis who have fled the horrors of anti-Semitism are now embracing a culture of death and

[42:00] destruction ending this genocide is solely in the hands of the US superpower we ask the Boulder City Council to pass an immediate resolution for a permanent ceasefire now end gaza's Siege now real humanitarian Aid now and stop military and financial aid to Israel now thank you thank you and next speakers are Elliot fayen ly seagull and PTY fer angul can you hear me yes Elliot fayton from Superior Colorado freedom of speech does not mean freedom from condemnation and unfortunately the repeated pattern of conduct of ceasefire supporters up and down the Front Range at City Council meetings at this time demand such condemnation in the form of a resolution by city council I would ask the city clerk to please pull up my single slide if you look at that slide

[43:02] what it is is a pamphlet that was passed out at the Fort Collins city council this meeting by Pro seire supporters and it's original and unredacted form this pamphlet included not just the names of the mayor and city council but also their home addresses I repeat their home addresses this transparent attempt to intimidate the Fort Collin city council what some would argue successful because it led to that Fort Colin city council meeting being cancelled and unfortunately it is part of a pattern of conduct that is going on up and down the Front Range we've seen it here in Boulder where multiple City Council meetings have not just been disrupted but have had to had the room cleared by police with Council meetings now being virtual we've seen it in Denver where myself I had to be escorted out by police for my safety and two friends had to be taken out a back exit it because they were wor the police was worried what the pro ceasefire supports would do to them it's happened in Aurora I think

[44:02] it's happened also in Colorado Springs and Lakewood enough is enough it is one thing to have disagreement on this issue that is fine we can disagree but when you do these tactics when you do this disruption when you do cause people to need police exports when you dox council members that is conduct that Wars that demands that this Council because it is part of this pattern that has being to pass a resolution condemning it I ask that you pass a resolution condemning this conduct thank you thank you our next speakers are ly seagull paty angers and Lindsay lbert ly seagull um matal yanev a former right-wing extremist Israeli shut down the Sacramento legislature on Palestinian rights um what I want to talk to you about tonight is the

[45:01] landmarks board last night that refused to Landmark 1015 Juniper which is a perfectly good house, 1500 feet or something a good sized house not 5,000 ft like the developer would like to see that's a beautiful Bungalow and it's being demoed and this is just unconscionable I thought that we have a need for middle and affordable you know lowincome affordable housing in Gaza we're we're bombing with our money we're bombing houses you know and here in Boulder we're bombing them too so yeah it's a local issue too this is a big problem they just added a million bucks to the value of that house and by the time the house is demoed and rebuilt it'll be 5 million or 10 million you know that's

[46:01] the value of it so the embedded value they gave to this thing is just unbelievable um and the Realtors s sell it as a scrape Oh Come and buy this place as a scrape now the Realtors know that that's precedent that they can sell scrapes this is the planning board's depart problem and landmarks problem and environmental Advisory Board embodied energy of houses like this that we need for this middle income level instead it's another case of travesty travesty in this city and the landmarks Board needs to be connected more with the EAB and with a planning board there needs to be a review of these kind of things the Western Resorts Advocate building at Broadway and Baseline directly diagonal to the law school same thing it somehow got a is up but thank you for your testimony next we have Patty angers

[47:00] lindsy lerg and Ronald Bryce hi can you hear me yes before you start my clock again uh our colleague Mohamed has been kicked out he's trying to rejoin and it's saying that somebody has like take him out of the meeting it's says I was removed by the host can we please do something about these if our Zoom um administrators could look into that I'd appreciate it okay thank you um I'm here to connect to continue our Collective statement uh we are making this Collective statement because we wanted to be on the record and live forever in the internet to show your children and grandchildren and the next seven generation where you stood and what action you took to stop this genocide which is none we are watching you uh we

[48:01] are watching what you would have done during slavery or the indigenous genocide in this continent number six islamophobia and anti-Semitism have significantly increased in Boulder which is a local issue however it is important to recognize the difference between anti- Zionism and anti-Semitism again the ADL whose member a council member brought classifies a pro Palestinian protest as anti-semitic they classify the sentence from The River To The Sea as anti-semitic even though this phrase originated from the liquid party to justify the ethnic lining of the Palestinian number seven theu Boulder students faculty and staff are experiencing dxing and silencing of its prop Palestinian voices just last week two members of the Student Government tried to pass a resolution to silence Linda sarur voice on campus even though the week before that a defendant of

[49:01] Israeli Israel nationalism spoke on campus and no such resolutions to silence him was brought up you passing a ceas fire resolution will send a message to business and schools to not silence prop Palestinian voices number eight the city and county of Boulder host many events in The JCC you should be ashamed that district attorney High Commissioners from Boulder County are willing to go to panels in locations that are biased not until people ask for the panel members to be more diverse until then there were not even one Muslim voice uh represented in that panel so you should not like this is like paid with with money of the of the city like this is so viol up but thank you for your testimony now we have lindsy lerg Ronald price Morales

[50:02] merid hi hi can you all hear me this is Lindsay um is I I wonder if because I'm the last person is is Mohammad here more speakers after you actually oh okay okay thank you um all right I I just wanted to make sure that this this person is trying to get rejoy to speak um well I'm and I'm ready to begin so um you know council members I'm I'm joining the group making the collective statement um to encourage you know accountability of the of the city council um to encourage you all to be in alignment with your own values about this issue um and to know and to see that we keep coming back and

[51:02] we're going to keep coming back um until until some statement is made from the council until we feel that the council can make a statement in align with alignment with the majority of its constituency we're going to continue to use this mechanism to make our voice heard we're also going to continue to explore to to meet with you um to discuss like actually our common values um if if if you value Transportation um there is no trans Transportation infrastructure in Palestine right now if you uh value racial Equity this is a racial Equity issue through and through if you value housing we in our budget claim money from the HUD from from HUD we we claim

[52:01] money from HUD in our city budget and yet we cannot talk as we cannot talk about the $1.6 million dollar that our residents pay in federal taxes but we include federal funds on our budget and we don't have a say in how these federal funds go to support this genocide and we're going to keep coming back and we're going to keep talking to you and keep trying to hold each other accountable to our shared values thank you understand we have Muhammad back on the line so can we go to him please hello can you guys hear me thank you everybody so much for your patience um I want to start off with counsel my name is Dr kazis I'm a pediatrician practicing at the Children's Hospital h of Colorado though My Views um today are my own and not necessarily those of my employer I'm here to speak about the

[53:00] situation in Gaza and the need for Action if you want to call it a war a genocide a p purposeful starvation and Collective punishment at this point semantics don't matter anymore when we have seen dozens of photos of the starved sted corpses of children who died of starvation in Northern Gaza ignorance is no longer an excuse more than most I know the cost of our unfettered imperialism as a nation as someone who trained in the management of severe malnutrition at the Children's Hospital of Colorado I can tell you based on the World health organizations malnutrition mortality estimates at least a quarter of the current children suffering starvation will die even if they are given access to food they need hospital admission and high level intensive care therapy but guess what unfortunately there's none of in Gaza anymore hospitals we need a ceasefire so we can get in there and give them the care they need in the city's dedication to supporting Israel unconditionally we have abandoned the children of Boulder as well you sent $1.6 million of taxpayer money to Israel last year instead of funding our children who are living in poverty in the city of Boulder child poverty homelessness and food insecurity have all increased as my

[54:00] colleague previously stated the city council has previously questioned why we need to act or what Boulder could possibly do I ask you what greater moral imperative could there be than defunding the state that has been responsible for the highest daily death toll of children of any conflict in the 21st century the citizens the citizens of Boulder do not consent to our tax dollars funding the massacre of children abroad while our own children continue to struggle and our domestic issues remain unaddressed I warn you Alex time is almost upon us and our Coalition will not forget those who prioritize imperialism and the funding of a foreign States Massacre over the needs of the children of Boulder the time is now divest our tax dollars and call for a ceasefire history will remember this moment and like my colleagues I wanted to say I'm happy to provide the sources uh for my statistics or collaborate with you guys however is needed you our last two speakers are Ronald price and Morales m

[55:01] can you hear me yeah yes all right great uh good evening and thank you for this time to address the city council on the matter of your interest in closing the boulder municipal airport my name is Ronald price and I am the principal of QED airport and Aviation Consultants next slide please my tonight is to offer some commentary for your benefit about the airport closure process based on my direct experience in this type of action I'm sure that you are aware that discussion of closing the airport will bring formidable opposition from the Federal Aviation Administration Colorado Division of Aeronautics the Colorado aeronautical board national airport and Aviation Lobby organizations tenants and users of the airport and local residents and businesses it is important to note that your airport is obligated to be operated

[56:02] and maintained in perpetuity because the city accepted Grant funds for land acquisition the FAA has already advised the city in this regard despite what the FAA and others say you should know that there is a proven process that can lead to the successful closure of the airport and that process is defined by the FAA next slide please next slide please uh third slide please thank you we'll give you extra seconds are you ready yes go ahead okay thank you uh I bring this to your attention because I have direct experience experience in closing publicly owned and Grant obligated airports I work closely with the city of

[57:01] St Clair Missouri in closing its airport in 2017 which was also Grant obligated in perpetuity it was only the second of two such Grant obligated in perpetuity airports to close in the past decade okay I've been working now your time is up but you can email us further testimony if you would like thank you final speaker is Morales Mna R can you speak hello yes can you hear me

[58:00] yes hello my my name is um my name is MAA Kur um my sweetie passed the phone over to me I'm an ex IDF Soldier living here in Boulder I wanted to share my appreciation with the council members there have been speaking out against um Israel's genocide in Gaza I I I appreciate council member Taisha Adams comment previous uh meetings and I wanted to name as an Israeli join my voice with my Palestinian comrades in Boulder and my um as well as uh Gila who spoke earlier about the shame um we're feeling here that our city isn't capable of getting it together and speaking up against the genocide that is clearly impacting all of us and I wanted to name but I really hope that we do that we can get our act together here in Boulder and do a better job standing for

[59:00] what we know is Justice um and helping also the Jewish Community understand that Zionism does not speak for Jewish people and that as Jews we stand together with black and brown folk with trans people with poor workingclass people around the world and that's part of our tradition and Jewish communities in Boulder can stand together with Palestine too and I thank the council for their time this evening thank you so much thank you and thanks to everyone who came and spoke to us tonight I'll turn to City staff to see if there are any responses to the open comment thank you mayor just to quickly um I wanted to say I know that we had a couple of speakers who spoke about the airport just wanted to raise that uh staff is preparing to uh come to council to have a much more robust conversation of that believe in the beginning of summer is when we're slated so um be

[60:01] prepared for that we were likely going to come to council and um speak to you individually in advance of that but know that we are getting that on the agenda uh and then I just wanted to clarify for those in community who'd been talking about why we are virtual today we're actually virtual the entire month of March because our uh council chambers are getting retrofitted and a much needed audiovisual upgrade grade and we are in a we're currently under construction and our city Chambers are not usable at the moment we hope that that will end by the end of March uh and we will keep Council and Community updated on that timeline uh in case it needs to extend but we're hoping not so thank you very much thank you TRC anything from you none from me mayor thank you thank you Council does anybody have any responses allout questions Mark I just want to respond to um one

[61:01] speaker who essentially accused members of this council at least some of us as being agents of APAC or agents of a foreign government and that is simply a false accusation and highly inappropriate uh even in the context of this sort of um uh emotionally charged conversation and it does not um Advance anyone's um point of view to make unfounded charges about any member of this Council um well I mean if I am a an agent of a foreign government I certainly am not being very well compensated for it so um I I simply say that that's that's false and it's uh it's a little bit insulting and and don't do that this is a difficult ult enough issue as it is um let's stick to facts thank

[62:01] you okay oops not seeing any other hands um we'll close the open comment period and Elisha if you could take us to our consent agenda please yes sir thank you our consent agenda is item three on tonight's agenda and it consists of items 3 a through 3F any questions or comments on the consent agenda or perhaps a motion right I I will move passage of uh items uh 3A through 3F on tonight's consent agenda um second we've got a motion and a second Alicia could you do a roll call please yes sir we'll start the roll call tonight on the consent agenda items with council

[63:02] member wallik hi Winer yes Adams yes mayor Brockett yes council member folr yes Maris yes shoard yes mayor Pro Tim spear yes mayor the consent agenda items a through f are hereby passed with a vote of 8 to Zero thanks very much if we could do our call it check-ins please yes sir our call of checkins are item number four on tonight's agenda 4 a is the site review Amendment including a height modification request to allow for up to 7t 6 in of additional height with a pitched roof or alternatively up to 4 feet of additional height with or

[64:01] without a pitch roof for each Town Home Building within the approved shining Mountain ward off school development at zero Violet Avenue this is referenced under L 20235 any questions or comments or desire to call this one up I'm seeing some shaking heads and no raised hands so it looks like no see if we could do the next one please you're muted you're muted and I'm just a talking uh 4B is the consideration of a standard stream wet land and water body protection permit for the proposed renovation of the Chapman Avenue trail head and construction of a pedestrian bridge over Boulder Creek generally located at 38474 Boulder Canyon Drive in Boulder

[65:01] County this is referenced under w223 D2 comments or desire to call this one up Mark yeah I I would just ask staff if if they could explain to me that the nature of the opposition from a couple of members of planning board um to this I mean it seemed to me to be sort of cut and dried and I'd like to understand what their concerns were uh as I was not at that meeting um and if anyone could illuminate that for me I'd be appreciative certainly council member Wallock my name is Edward Stafford I'm the senior manager of Engineering in planning and development services the excuse me getting over a case of covid and still choking um there were a couple of concerns that were raised by a couple of planning board members one was whether or not the scope was appropriate and was necessary to be

[66:00] able to serve things such as trailers uh being hauled for horses and whether or not if that was eliminated it would Min further minimize impacts to the protected boundary there were also concerns on whether or not the scope was appropriate from a public expenditure standpoint which while not Germain really to the Wetland permit process was raised uh in general in terms of a scoping discussion and whether or not those improvements uh really warranted the level of public investment do do we have an A a cost estimate for that bridge uh I do not Jeff Haley is on and may be able to speak to that from the perspective of the project it's not required on the permit I don't have that looks like Jeff has joined us yeah thank you Edward uh Jeff Haley here I'm the deputy director with our open space in Mountain Parks um I believe the cost estimate for the Bridge itself is roughly um $600,000 for the for the bridge

[67:00] component of the project all right thank you welcome very good any other items anything else to add on this topic from anyone seeing none looks like no interest in calling this one up either so Elicia if we can do our public hearing please yes sir our public hearings are item number five live on tonight's agenda 5A is the concept review proposal to redevelop the 448,000 as well as approximately 6110 new dwelling units and a mix of structured and underground parking the

[68:01] unit type mix would include market rate units and student housing units this is reviewed under case number lur 2023 d38 and I see Chandler ready to go mayor so happy to go straight Dan take away Chandler all right thank you can everyone um see the presentation in presentation mode yes okay um good evening council members um as Alicia just mentioned this is a public hearing for uh concept review at 2952 Baseline Road and chandelier if you just wouldn't mind introducing yourself for the record please oh yes of course sorry I'm Chandler van SC principal planner for the planning and development services department um I'm going to go relatively quickly through the beginning part of this because I I gave this presentation um during the call up cons consideration so um just let me know if you want me to slow down on any of this beginning

[69:04] stuff so presentation highlights I'll go over the purpose of concept plan review uh go over the public notification process and what we've heard so far the planning context project background summary of the proposed project and then key issues so the concept plan purpose is to review and provide feed feedback on a general development plan it's intended to give the applicant comments from the public city staff and planning board and city council early in the process I'm just a reminder that no formal action uh on the application is required tonight and um no conditions or requirements can be um made at this time this is strictly just a preliminary plan and just feedback so in terms of public notification written notice was sent to Property Owners within 600 feet notice was also posted on the property uh staff has received numerous comments and questions from neighboring property owners and residents um council's also been privy to a lot of these um primary

[70:02] concerns of those opposed included traffic and safety loss of the existing commercial space particularly the Dark Horse as well as scale and density um it's worth noting we've also gotten lots of comments in support of the proposed project um I haven't done an actual count or a percentage but it's it seems to me to be just about half and half opposed versus in favor um in terms of the location um this is stuff you guys have seen before um it's about nine and a half acres it encompasses the area east of Highway 36 south of Baseline Road and West of 30th Street and excludes the Baseline Crossing site as well as the McDonald site which are those little um kind of notches taken out there the Boulder Valley comprehensive plan land use designation is split between community business and mixed use business uh this is the land use map from the B Valley comprehensive plan with the project site shown in yellow

[71:00] there uh the Zoning for the site is bc2 or business Community 2 across the site uh bc2 is defined as business areas containing retail centers serving a number of neighborhoods where retail type stores predominate um in terms of the surrounding context to the east across 30th Street is the University of Colorado Williams Village dormatory complex which contains the 12-story darly and Sterns dormatory buildings and the six-story be Creek apartment buildings across Baseline Road to the north through a variety of retail service and office uses including a gas station a beauty salon a mortuary and a medical office building um to the northeast of the intersection of Baseline and 30th is the Baseline subdivision which is a primarily single family neighborhood that has existed since the early 1960s um us36 runs along the eastern boundary of the site and across us36 is the Martin Acres neighborhood aside from the CU buildings all the existing buildings surrounding the site are 1 to

[72:00] three stories um the site currently contains five one to three story buildings containing a variety of retail and restaurant businesses including a Sprouts Market the dark hor Saloon Cosmos Pizza a liquor store a bank and several other restaurants there's a kico gas station on the northeast corner of the site off of Baseline Road and on the south corner of the site is the boulder broker in uh which is a legal non-conforming Hotel use both the Dark Horse and the broker in have been in this location since 1974 um however the property is not individually landmarked or located in a historic district at this time um in terms of uh existing site access not including the Baseline Crossing or McDonald's site uh there are nine existing access points to the site with four curb cuts on Baseline and five curb Cuts along 30th Street um of the four existing access points on Baseline only one which is located between Baseline Crossing and McDonald's has full movement turn access um also known as just a two-way turn with the

[73:02] remainder being right in right out only um similarly the existing access points on 30th Street are also right in right out only with the exception of the one access serving Cosmos Pizza building uh with only a single Drive aisle providing access to the westbound Lanes on Baseline the current access configuration severely limits opportunities for westbound travel from the site with u-turns on either 30th Street or at the signal intersection of 30th and Baseline being required for the majority of exits uh from the site going west um the much of the project site is affected by the regulatory flood plane of skunk Creek including the 100-year conveyance and high Hazard zones um so for the proposed project um it's a mixed use development consisting of 610 attached residential units and they're saying 285 of those units would be marketed to students and 325 would be non-student units um about 600 roughly 70,000 squ

[74:02] feet of ground floor commercial um as well as a 76,000 foot Hotel use um which is currently prohibited under the existing zoning and then a um 7,796 foot uh restaurant space as well um so as you can see here it's the development is proposed as six four to five story buildings ranging from 43,000 square feet to over 250,000 square feet in size um the net floor area ratio on the site as proposed is 1.9 which is within the maximum allowable uh F of 2.0 for the bc2 zone and the applicant's proposing a new L-shaped RightWay to break down the existing super block and is showing a mix of atg grade Parks plazas landscape setback and rooftop decks um this is a diagram just showing the breakdown of the

[75:00] uses um the yellow shown here is residential the blue is commercial um the kind of army green is student housing um the hotel is pale orange and restaurant which you can't really see in this picture well I guess you can see it on the right is Pink um these are some reference images or sorry architectural renderings that the applicant provided just to show um a general idea of the architectural intent um full architectural designs are not required at concept plan um so these renderings are intended just to show um the general idea uh the applicant also provided several reference images here to show um just the style that they're hoping to pursue um summary of required modifications and just to clarify when I say required um this just means that these are the code

[76:01] modifications that would be required in order for the project to be constructed as currently shown um so this would require a parking reduction um an undetermined percent a height modification to allow for 55 ft foot buildings where 35 ft is the maximum byright height in the zone uh modification to the maximum number of stories to allow for four and five story buildings where three is the maximum permitted in bc2 um a modification to access standards to allow for more than one access point per property um Community benefit regulations would apply if um a height modification were requested um these basically state that for bonus floor area um AKA any floor area above the third story um would have to provide additional inclusionary housing for that floor area so the fourth and fifth stories would have to provide an additional 44% above um the standard inclusionary housing

[77:01] fees so this went to planning board for a public hearing on January 16th 2024 um at the hearing approximately 40 resident spoke many expressed concerns over the potential loss of the Dark Horse the board was generally split on the extent to which the project was consistent with Boulder Valley comprehensive plan goals objectives and recommendations um particularly in terms of The Guiding principles for neighborhood centers um uh you do not have to read all of this I will just briefly go over it um and summarize key key board feedback included reducing the overall mass and scale um improving permeability making the street design more pedestrian friendly uh removing ground level residential uses along Baseline and increasing the amount of ground level commercial space um improve the design and usability of the open space consolidating site access points points or reducing the number of access points overall um providing much more information on um the analysis of anticipated traffic patterns on Baseline

[78:01] improving multimodal connections to the site um moving the parking structure to the west side of the site along Baseline to create a noise buffer for residents um and determination by historic preservation staff on whether Historic Landmark designation will be required for the Dark Horse and or broker in as a condition of site review approval um and then keeping and minimizing disruption to ex in businesses during construction to the extent possible um so for key issues for discussion tonight and we can come back to these if the council would like um these are the same key issues that were presented to planning board um number one is whether the proposed concept plan is generally compatible with the goals objectives and recommendations of the bbcp number two uh does council have feedback for the applicant on the conceptual site plan and building design number three is uh whether the proposed Building height of 55 ft is in general portion to the height of existing buildings in the area um and the proposed or projected Heights of buildings in the area and then number

[79:00] four can just be um kind of an open key issue or any other issues that are raised by Council um I will briefly just skip through these slides this is um key issue number one I have some considerations that we can um go back to during the discussion if need be um this is the neighborhood center guiding principles as taken from the boulder Valle comprehensive plan um this is bc2 conditional use standards which require a use review for ground floor residential area that exceeds 10% of the total floor area which is the case here um so it's worth noting that in the use review process they would have to um demonstrate that the use on the ground floor will not adversely affect the intended function and character of the area as a neighborhood serving business area where retail type stores predominate um in determining whether this Criterion is met the reviewing Authority shall consider the location and design of the propos proposed use and the existing and approved uses on the lot or parcel in the area um so for key issue number two this

[80:00] one's fairly open this is just the feedback portion um key takeaways from this discussion um will be whether there are any specific building or site design considerations that the applicant should take into account to improve or enhance the Project's consistency with the site review criteria and compatibility with the surrounding area um design and operating characteristics of the proposed open space ground level building design along rights of way um any concerns related to proposed access and circulation but of course um council is uh welcome to provide any other feedback that they want key issue number three is just regarding Building height and whether um Council feels that the building the proposed building Heights are appropriate and generally proportionate to the existing buildings in the surrounding area um I have a a height map here that I can um bring up during that part of the discussion key issue number four as mentioned um is open and then just in terms of next steps um so this is a public hearing uh

[81:01] the intent of which is for Council and the public to provide additional feedback on the concept plan um there was some discussion during the um call up consideration about Council voting to refer the project to um dab and tab um if Council votes to refer the project to dab and tab specific questions or key issues should be provided to guide the board discussions um the applicant will then either proceeded with submitting development review applications or may submit a second concept review application voluntarily um a site review application once it does come in will require a decision by planning board which will again be subject to call up by city council now I'm happy to answer any questions thanks for that Chambler um and so let's have staff questions and then after that we'll go to the presentation by the applicant questions for staff let's see I got Mark and then Lauren really just one question at the moment

[82:00] um refresh my recollection I thought we had agre to uh uh tab a dab and tab uh on the on February 22nd is that not the case um no council determined that they would like to U make that vote at the hearing so that there was um additional time to kind of discuss the project really get into the details that's all I needed to know thank you Lauren thank you can you remind me for the current zoning what floor area would be exempt from being considered in the f i i you were saying that it's an F of 1.9 but is that total does that count all square footage or are there areas like parking garages sometimes that don't count um there are areas that don't count I mean in general like uninhabitable space um space that's used

[83:03] solely to house mechanical equipment um certain portions of stairwells in bc2 I do not believe that um parking garages are exempt from floor area but I will actually have to double check on that right now and make sure that I'm responding correctly to that okay so would be that 1.9 F that we're seeing is really going to count the vast majority of floor area currently proposed yes I believe so and I'm I'm All building square footage currently post yes okay thank you that's my only question at the moment thanks Lauren Nicole thank you and thanks thanks for the presentation again um all these reminders my question I'm realizing I probably should have sent it in advance um I was just wondering about uh checking in with the Dr Cog mitigation

[84:01] action plan strategies um there are some key things there that we as a city are going to need to be uh hitting in order to continue getting transportation funding if the region isn't meeting its greenhouse gas um reduction goals and I was just wondering if you have any ideas about that again because I didn't send it in advance I'm not not expecting that you're going to remember all those off the top your head but it's um there are some specific residential density uh standards and um developing around uh some Transit oriented developments and things like that it's okay if you don't have an answer right now I mean there generally we um we don't consider things like that during the site review process we just use the site review criteria okay the Boulder Valley comprehensive plan policies um so to the extent that those may eventually be incorporated into the Boulder Valley comprehensive plan recommendation we would use them at that time also just to um go back to council member F's question um I misspoke so um

[85:02] area that is used exclusively for parking that is located entirely within the structure is not counted towards F in bc2 thank you for checking that if I don't mind if you don't mind me asking a followup question do you have a sense Chandler of how many square feet qualify that and the pro project is proposed um so I know that um I think the applicant would probably be best able to answer that question but I know in the um the very large uh building on 30th street where the majority of the parking is located it's kind of um the building is kind of donut shaped around um a central parking structure so in that case I would yeah about a quarter okay thanks any other questions for Chandler seeing none if we can go to the applicant presentation

[86:03] please um Bill Holi with Coburn I think I need you to help me Elevate Andy Bush who is my co-presenter to the panel so that he can talk Andy deserves a promotion not sure he deserves a promotion but he's going to get one apparently to presenter is oh that's fine okay I think I think we've got Andy um and so I apologize for not knowing but on current procedure are am I sharing the presentation or is that coming from the council clerk either one works I believe your preference okay we we're happy to share I will um I'll do that now and we are on standby sir okay so I think we are ready to go Andy

[87:03] can you hear us are you all good to go I Ken and can you hear me yes thank you okay after you Andy great I'm gonna try to be fairly brief um thank you for allowing us to present and to spend some time with you tonight I do appreciate it um my name is is Andy Bush and I'm a founder of Morgan Creek Ventures and we started that here in Boulder about 23 years ago to focus on sustainable development and while we do it in different areas around the country our primary focus has been here in town um and tonight I'd like to talk about two things um or I'd like to talk about the Dark Horse and sprouts and kind of the existing retail and I'd like to talk a little bit about sustainability and I think you know I'll spend most of the time we can do a lot during Q&A if if that's desirable but I'd like talk primarily about the Dark Horse because I know that's been a topic of discussion um both at our planning board hearing and kind of out in um the media and

[88:01] neighborhood discussion and one of the things I'd like to say really start with is I think a lot of people don't understand that the ownership of the Dark Horse and the Williams family have actually been working together for 40 years um and the dark horse has been you know a strong thriving business during that same period and and we'd like both the Dark Horse as well well as sprouts and as well as some of the smaller businesses to be part of this neighborhood center for many decades to come so we've actually been working together for quite a while and the family and the Dark Horse have been working together as I said for 40 years um and what we've committed to doing together is to have the Dark Horse stay in the current location until Redevelopment occurs which is probably about two years when you think about the process and what it would take to facilitate and work together to create a transitionary location um and ultimately to provide a new location on the property for the Dark Horse so it can continue um to thrive and survive for

[89:01] the next 20 to 40 years and we can talk more about that during the Q&A side but I think the goal is to have the Dark Horse we've also talked with Sprouts about a new location for Sprouts which would be on the corner where the gas station is and the goal would be to support other retail to transition it's a chess game as Bill will talk about a little bit it's sometimes easier said than done but I think it's something that we can accomplish and we can talk more about it in the Q&A I'd like to also talk a little bit about sustainability um some of you know me some of you don't over the past seven years we have developed um I guess when we finish the ones that we're building right now in Boulder Junction it'll be a dozen all electric buildings here in town um we developed the first one six or seven years ago and while our firm is fairly lowkey I'm I'm pretty pretty proud of building a portfolio of over 400,000 square fet of mostly residential highly sustainable buildings here in town they're all electric we produce

[90:01] about 40% of our own power there's a lot of interesting things as we deal with um trying to recover heat and do all kinds of things that I find interesting a lot of other people don't um and we've also executed the city's first affordable retail commercial Covenant for 10,000 ft of affordable commercial space at Boulder Junction and I'm proud to say that uh today we signed our first lease for a woman-owned business uh restaurant at Boulder Junction and it's been signed and it'll be coming before the city for review tomorrow um and the last thing that I'd say is we've committed to these efforts as part of our development agreements I know there's some question or or skepticism about will you really do these things and I believe Aaron was on planning board when our first building came through the process I think it was 2016 when we Comm committed in Boulder Junction that we would build all electric buildings that were highly sustainable um but I think the thing that was unique was I said at the first

[91:01] meeting we'll put it in the development agreement and we did and it was part of the requirement um and we did the same thing with the affordable retail commitment so we commited writing and we ultimately do what we say and and you have the tools to um do that as part of the process so we're excited to be part of this team we're excited to um Bill talk a little bit about the the changes we've already started making and obviously there'll be a lot of changes as this develops over the next six to eight months before it comes back to the city in a formal site review application so thank you for having us tonight I'd be glad to answer anything after Bill's presentation when we go into the Q&A side thanks I'm Bill Holi with Cobin architecture I love the concept plan process this is great because this is the time when we actually get to have a conversation and get feedback and so far are the feedback that we've gotten from staff in our initial application and then the community through the process and then planning board and Chandler put some of those comments from channel uh

[92:00] planning board up on the screen the project is getting better and I look forward to your thoughts tonight um this is not a final presentation this is a discussion so um that's that's what we're intending to do here the site as it is right now is a almost 10 acre parking lot it's 90% covered with impervious surface buildings or roads um and it's you know 4 years old it's Fallen apart despite all of that it's got an enormous amount of Civilian foot traffic on it because all these CU students walk through it every day that's really unusual right so we've got thousands of 18 and 19y olds who are required to live in the Williams Towers because they're freshmen and they have to get to see you so despite the fact that they're walking between an elevated FIV Lane Highway and loading docks in a parking lot they're still populating the site and despite the fact that it was built for cars and it's a break in our Urban fabric there's still people there so there's this energy that can be harnessed and create something really cool with it and fix some of these

[93:02] safety concerns and support our young people so that's what we're trying to do here and what we're doing is looking at the code and the requirements to figure out what can this be so the central tenants of what this project is proposing to accomplish are it wants to fill that that um status as a neighborhood center we'll talk more about it it's going to create five or 600 units about half of that is students and pull those those students that would live there out of the surrounding neighborhoods that are putting pressure on places like the hill and put them in a in a place that's created for students and then there's another half two or 300 units that are for market rate people that are just for um Regular Boulder citizens so it creates that intergenerational connectivity it's highly sustainable and it's getting more sustainable um as we figure out what the buildings are going to be as Andy described but all electric um is reducing the vehicle's miles traveled we're designing the footprints to be thin so they're energy efficient we have all these things we've learned

[94:00] from The Net Zero projects we've done together in Boulder in the past and we're applying them here and a very considerable amount of commercial space but when we design a project we don't start with the buildings we start with the streets and so the renderings that Chandler showed are really designed to figure out what the public spaces will look like the buildings are conceptual at best at this point but the streets are not they're real sidewalk widths real treeon wids as required you know parallel parking travel Lanes all that's real so we're starting to understand what it would be like to be in the streets and the reason that's important is because that's the space the community gets to inhabit it's the most important part of the project is the community space to Boulder as a whole and so the site is so big it's kind of amazing to imagine that we get real streets and sidewalks and everything here but we do so um we have put a a lot of time into understanding what that public space would be the way we make this a place for people instead of for cars is first we have to break down the super block and Chandler mentioned that

[95:01] the big uh blue arrow is the new l-shade public Street and there was some confusion when we submitted it originally to staff staff wrote the memo about how many access points we had assuming that these were all private streets since this is a public Street it would change those access points and we're not asking for special dispensation we would work with staff to make sure that the access points onto the new Public Road are what staff envisions to work with the DCs so we're not asking for changes to the standards there once we have that bro that super block broken down we can bring the buildings into the side to the uh to the roads and create these outdoor rooms and these outdoor spaces that the the community gets to inhabit as a neighborhood and so one of the things we heard as Chandler mentioned throughout the process is that this is going to be really crucial to the understanding of this is neighborhood center and so we've really worked on this and there's all these different kinds of Open Spaces here now it's important to point out that the code requirement for open space on the site is 20% right now we're

[96:01] almost double that we're at about 38% so to give you a scale the requirement is about 75,000 square ft² and we're right now at about 3 and a half acres worth of open space about 140 150,000 sare ft there are there's a Halfacre Community Park there's a popup place for a farmers market there's um elevated um open space for the residents of the building as required in the new site review criteria there are tree Lawns there are private um you know Gardens for the buildings and open space for the buildings so there's real Continuum of open space here to transform what is currently asphalt into something much Greener that includes like 115 or so new Street trees plus all the trees that would be in the public areas the thing that we need to do in order to not erode that is we don't want parking lots so the proposal is to put all the parking either under the student building in one case and in the other case inside this building on the corner now planning board did have a good suggestion they said hey look at look at parking against the highway we did that

[97:02] but the reason we really think it's better here is is multifold but one of the main ones is this if the parking is entirely contained inside this building it can be designed we've already done this in Boulder for a building that is built it can be designed to be structurally independent and in hopefully a nearer term future when we don't need car storage cuz we have self-driving cars or other ways to move around the city that parking can be plucked out of there and can be replaced with units in open space so it's a temporary solution to a problem that hopefully gets solved in a different way soon and we can talk more about the parking location um but it ends up with this site plan so you can see that when you really break down the scale of the project you realize just how much possibility there is here on this site and um right now the students are traveling along this diagonal bike path along the highway if they choose to continue to get to class because they're late or they want to go faster they're on a bike they can still do that but it's a much different experience now because they have green space and trees and they have residential units looking

[98:01] down on it so it completely changes the safety perception of that space But the hardest thing to do when you're designing communities and neighborhoods is to get people on the sidewalks that's like the biggest thing we stress about right so we already have that all these students are walking through the site through the parking lot right now so we have this secondary path that sort of jogs through the site it's intended to be a more Meandering path and it's when you're walking back from class with your friends or maybe at night and you want to be in a more public space that walks be between on the street that's between the commercial spaces helping to charge that commercial area and it also walks past the Student Housing section so it really ties everything together but most importantly it creates safety for the students and energy for the project which is really a cool situation that doesn't happen in many spots in the community um the vehicle miles traveled here there's a major major in because remember since these are 600 new units in Boulder give or take these are 600 people that currently are living outside of Boulder and that means I think the

[99:02] average commute from the last Transportation survey was 12 miles each way for the 60,000 people to come in Boulder every day now if they choose to commute by car from this site would be probably an average of like one or two that's a massive rejection if you just assume that 300 households are going to drive 10 miles each way a day for 200 days a year that's almost a million vehicle miles traveled off the road a year additionally those people that are currently living in Brighton Superior in Lafia and louville and places like that they have to drive but if they live here they can now get on a bus get on a bike take advantage of all the improvements we've made on baseline or walk and remember the largest employer in Boulder is Right Through The Pedestrian pel let see you so putting people close to where they live will dramatically impact our carbon emiss from transportation we want to talk about the neighborhood center that's become a big topic of conversation totally understand that the comp plan map for neighborhood

[100:01] centers is on the left there are two kinds of centers in the comp plan there's the regional centers that's the one2 and three the big light blue bubbles those are 28th in Canyon CU and downtown those are the most intense places in our community neighborhood centers are one step down and they're the dark blue dots we're number 10 right here the three most recently approved neighborhood centers in Boulder are 7 15 and 13 you'll talk about one of those later today 13 is 55th in arapajo that is currently approved by Council in the area plan to be a 3.0 f for those of you who may not have Ur encountered F before that's floor area ratio that's how many square feet of building there is versus how many square feet of land area there is so 3.0 is fairly intense Boulder Junction is currently built out at a 2.1 F diagonal Plaza which this Council approved through ordinance about a year and a half or two years ago is currently built out at a one or is currently

[101:00] approved for permit to be built at a 1.8 F this proposal is proposing 1.7 for a gross F and 1.9 for a net F so it is lower than the three most recently approved neighborhood centers in Boulder additionally it's lower than a 2.0 F the this Council approved a couple of months ago when they approved the Zoning for affordable housing specifically the areas in pink are BC zoned neighborhood centers that Council should said should be below a 20 F again we're at 1.7 to 1.9 depending on how you look at it the reason this is not a mistake that council is making it's critically important because what we found is that strip malls which was originally what was contemplated in the concept in the comp plan don't work as neighborhood centers you can look at Bas Mar for an example of that and see how businesses are struggling to stay in business you need people so it's critically important to put residential there um so we have

[102:00] more commercial than any of those other three most recently improved neighborhood centers and here is what that looks like so this has been in uh increased plenty board we had about 65,000 feet of commercial which is like 5 grand more than what's now now we're up to 100,000 F feet of commercial so i' really like council's feedback on whether that's too much because at some point it's too much to support we think it's mostly consumables like restaurants and it's all all of this blue could be restaurant by the way I'll explain that in a second and or um services like Barber Shop uh salons that kind of thing the reason that the pink is shown as a restaurant building D is because that's the assumed future home for the Dark Horse so we've created this community park of a half an acre with the Dark Horse opening onto it the student housing common space opening onto it so it becomes multigenerational that's a special place also a special place is this area up here that's where that that flood plane comes through we shouldn't build there but we can make it a flex parking lot that can be used for popups like farmers markets because this area

[103:00] in the corner is the assumed home for Sprouts so that's a really nice Farmers Market grocery store kind of combination um this is we've been working on this so this is a rendering of that community space in the center that heart Halfacre Park the Dark Horse is new building right here so instead of the Dark Horse behind brick walls and a park lot it now gets space open to the park outdoor tables we've got the students here on the bottom left of the page looking out from their common space we've got the commercial all streets coming into it so this becomes the heart of the community and it's really a cool I like I can't even imagine this on game days how cool this would be so um that's we've really been working on augmenting and figuring out and designing that public space so just to finish up um Chandler touched on a lot of the changes we've been working working on since planning board we heard a lot of things from planning board most of them have already been um discussed the the building massing right now was like literally Lego blocks because we're

[104:01] worried about the public spaces but we've definitely heard the fifth floor is going to a ro as we start to design real architecture and then to finish up just to reiterate because it's been such a big topic of conversation we want to make sure everybody understands that the owner of the Darkhorse and the owner of Williams Village the the property and the building are aligned they would stay in business till the development starts they' work together to find a home for the interim and then they get to move into that purposefully designed space for them right on a public park if they want it um so there's a really cool future for the Dark Horse in this scenario so I will stop there um hopefully I went fast enough and I really look forward to discussion and questions all right thank you Bill questions for the applicant Mark first to the buzzing and Tina well thank you for the presentation

[105:03] um uh I have a few questions um one I saw um the market rate housing was described as Workforce housing is that how you would characterize it and if so what is the definition of what what's happening yeah Mark you're you're pointing right to a deficiency in our code so the comp plan and the code reference Workforce housing but it's nowhere defined in the code um so it's this term that the code encourages us to use um without a definition so that's challenging the the project in terms of how it would be designed um the intent is that it would be the same as new housing in Long mod or Denver or Superior or anywhere else the rent would be determined by supply and demand and as we know you know you build a new project in Boulder you build a new project in Superior the rent's different

[106:01] so it's the market that's driving that and I don't we don't I don't have you know on the architect I don't know what that number would be but it's really dependent on the supply and demand at the time that it goes into place there are obviously projections that any owner or developer formulas um in term to determine the viability of its project and so little I you tell me that that there is no such projection or um uh propos have to go to your lender for that unless you're going to self fund the $150 to $200 million project let me go to to develop ER Andy um because I do think Andy is more more qualified to speak on that than I so Andy can you chime in to help Mark with this question what I would say is you're going to see

[107:00] a mix of housing that's going to be very similar to what we're seeing over at diagonal Plaza and what we've seen um at Boulder Junction and that's really all over the map I mean we have in Boulder Junction we have students living there we have people who work in the neighborhood living there we've got people who commute to Denver unfortunately or fortunately living there it is a broad mix and it responds to the market so I and I think it will also depend on the mix of units that we develop um at Boulder Junction we've we don't have any efficiency units as part of our portfolio we've got one bedroom two bedroom and three bedroom units and I would say you know our our mix is probably a little bit over a third one bedroom a little bit over a third two bedroom a little little bit under a third three bedrooms and just as an as an example what do you anticipate charging for a one bedroom it's not

[108:00] sufficient to say the market will determine you will determine the market May modify your determination but at least at the outset the developer is going to set the rates and I'm asking you I would say look at the rates for Boulder Junction and what we have there and they range from um probably $15 or $1,600 up from there and we have some you know I've got some beautiful units on a fourth floor that look over the flat irons um that rent for over $3,000 a unit so it's a real mix and Mark I would just apologize that we don't have that readily available since it's not part of the site review criteria it's not something we typically prepare for these well I guess then let me ask is that's something that the fullness of time you can provide to us I'd say it's something that we won't even have a a sense of the mix until we come in for site review six or eight months from now but I you could expect

[109:01] it to be quite similar to the units at Boulder Junction I'm trying to determine whether any of this housing is actually going to be affordable and attainable by um incoming commuters with families um you know at a price point point that is not um outrageous and you have that information I do not and I'm asking you even if it's addition of approval I I would appreciate yeah I I would think that honestly the honest truth is we probably wouldn't be comfortable with a condition of approval on rental rates as part of it but we have built 400,000 square feet in Boulder Junction that's appealing to the market um and supported by the market as part of it the same way that I think most of these neighborhood centers will be building up and and the honest truth is um we will the we'll determine

[110:01] whether we're going to do affordable on-site or affordable offsite but the contribution based on kind of our initial numbers if we did offsite is probably about $30 million to the city for affordable housing and the way I look at it and everybody looks at it a little different and we haven't made a final determination but the way look at it is we'd have five or 600 units of market rate housing plus $30 million which might um create let's say another 150 200 units so maybe 7 or 800 units or we'd have five or 600 units of which a quarter were affordable onsite so my general ination is probably to look at the cash and LU creating more units both affordable and market rate but again it's not something that we determine a concept review let me ask you one last question and then turn it over to my colleagues who are eagerly awaiting their turn sure how do you define student housing and and my issue there is are we looking

[111:02] at putting four people in a $3,000 a month one bedroom or four people at $1,500 a bed um in that same unit for $6,000 most most student housing that's been developed in Boulder is on a per bed basis and so I think if you look at the the housing that's been developed in that area which you know it's a perfect place to be close to the university and and walk and not drive um and it actually frees up housing as you know in the surrounding neighborhoods but most of it is done not trying to put lots of people in one bedroom but they're individual bedrooms I've got two kids in college and one who just graduated so I know a lot about at least what student housing costs and it's it's not cheap um but usually it's done on a per bet basis no I understand that I I'm just asking whether this is going to be attainable by students who are incapable of affording $1,500 a bed uh or if that's

[112:02] the market that you're going to cater to I I would be honest and say that I think that most new student housing that's developed in Boulder like most new housing whether it's apartments or any other kind of housing tends to um be more expensive than the housing that's been around for a long time that's probably of you know lower quality or just let's say older so I think that's the honest answer all right all right um I'm going to defer now to until comment time and uh um thank you I appreciate it yeah thank you Tina and then Nicole and then Lauren okay um thank you uh for all of that and mark thank you for asking the student housing question because I had a similar question um I I had um and I'm also interested in just understanding you know what what's decided to do with onsite versus um cash and Lou and um

[113:00] just curious about how different types of people can afford this area if possible because it does look really great um the one question I have is um I've been watching the bill that's going through at the Colorado State and this is really curiosity that might remove parking minimum and I'm wondering how that would affect this development even if it's just theoretically would you reduce parking um and is that something because I I don't see a big I see the full one-on-one parking is baked into this plan and I'm just curious how that might impact you in general or with this project yeah that's a a phenomenal question um so Andy and Morgan Creek have created buildings in Boulder at Boulder Junction that have the lowest parking ratio that I know of in Boulder they have the least parking per residential unit and per commercial square foot than any modern project in Boulder um that requires an enormous dedication to getting people to move

[114:01] around in different ways so like the one project that they did in in Boulder Commons that we designed has a fleet of bicycles that they maintain to get people to move around on um there is a reality like a a basement reality that people don't want to live with less than a certain amount of parking right they just it hasn't kind of migrated that far so that's why we've designed the project to kind of change over time right now um we would do if if that went through or if you said we'll support kind of any parking reduction you guys want we would drop the parking down to the lowest level that we think the market could reasonably bear and for the student housing that's really parking storage because kids come to to school with a car and then they need to leave it there until they leave right so it's not like something it doesn't have to be easily accessible hence the underground parking you can do tandem spaces you can do other things to reduce the amount of space dedicated to the cars for the market rate housing it's like you should right now it's around one car per unit

[115:00] but we think that changes over the next 10 years I mean at least I'm hopeful it changes over the next 10 years because with driverless cars we can put car storage wherever it makes sense it doesn't have to be on a site-by-site basis so that's why it's going to be designed like we did the other project in Boulder for the whole parking garage to come out just go away and then we can take advantage of that unfortunately that is carbon right we're putting that carbon into those parking decks and building them for 10 year 20 years but when the when the community catches up to being okay without a car that parking garage can come out and we can House people or we can out businesses or we can put open space in there so it's a fascinating question I think that we've seen a willingness on the part of BU planning board and Council to give us parking reductions that actually are getting around the level that the market can can deal with so go ahead i' had briefly that I mean everything that we've done in Boulder one um on the residential side and for example on the

[116:01] commercial side on the office side where normally they Park four per th000 we parked 0. five per or two and a half per thousand in an urban setting we parked 0.5 per thousand and people thought we were crazy and what we did was actually start working with employers on alt mode strategy and the employers we have Rocky Mountain institute's been a tenant of mine for 20 years we created carpass strategies and different um bus strategies as part of it and I should give suat and Community bikes credit for the bike Fleet we created was really Sue's idea I was just a partner in it and they maintain all of them so we've gotten pretty creative in terms of alt mode strategies that allow us to what other people would consider underp parking would I consider you know ideal parking and just a followup question question then in your other projects are you finding that all the spots are being used or that there's still excess empty spots you know we're just building out so I would say we still have excess spaces but we're just

[117:00] coming to capacity and that's a really interesting question that um we're going to ask over the next year we're bringing in the same parking group that City's using for the city garages but giving them a different Mission which is to help us reduce parking demand instead of just accommodate kind of the ticket strategy so I think there's a lot to come in parking to reduce it that we have a lot of opportunity there okay and then my other question is I when I was reading through the packet there was reference to um rooftop open space yeah as part of the project I'm wondering is the rooftop open space part of the total open space number it so that's a little bit confusing in Boulder you have a open space requirement so in this case the open space requirement at 75,000 ft we're allowed to count roof you know upper level open space up to 25% of that number so in terms of satisfying the city requirement um doing that math in

[118:01] my head you know it's something like 17,000 square feet can be of that rooftop open space can count towards the requirement but the rest of it is still functional so I I don't know the number off the top of my head but I'm going to assume we have about an acre of open space that's not on the ground level so about 40,000 ft okay so it's so the the total open space number is definitely not um significantly rooftop open space no it's majority on the ground floor okay okay great um all right I oh the other pieces I'm not sure if this will um come when the final site application is but I'd be interested in seeing the traffic generated by area so whether it's from the hotel from the retail or from the Housing Development and then I had one other question um which is the student building is not next to the Williams towers and I was just

[119:01] curious why the students weren't sort of cited next to each other or if that was intentional yeah um that's I can flip back to that uh it is semi intentional um or maybe more than semi so you know again okay so I have a um my daughter is a sophomore at University Utah and the walk is a barrier to get into classes so we felt like putting the students as close to classes as possible was a good idea the other thing that we really like is the idea that there's these very active student bodies on either side of the commercial Corp it feels like it charges that from both directions so it felt like a nice intergenerational moment as well as getting the students as close to class as we could okay thanks I'm all set Nicole then Lauren there then I got one thank you and um I just have a quick clarification I just want to make sure I'm understanding something that you said correctly and thanks again for this presentation um so the reason for not

[120:00] having more commercial space on the ground floor um in more of the buildings is because you're worried that may create more commercial space than would be supported by the students and residents in the area um just want to make sure that I'm getting that correctly that um that it there there basically wouldn't be enough service users to support more service oriented commercial space than you have planned or at least those are your thoughts for right now yeah I it's it's a fine line and I think that's the the brief summary I think you did it really well I would say at Boulder Junction we didn't provide enough commercial and I wish we had provided more um and we probably have about 40 45,000 square feet in all of Boulder Junction I wish we had closer to 100 and and I think that you can also get to a point as Bill said that there 's just too much and we can't support it what we were trying to do is make sure that we just had great commercial streets as as well as kind of some nodes of commercial on Baseline and I think it's our sense at the moment that this

[121:00] is a good mix but it's probably double what we did in Boulder Junction and I wish we done more there and it's part of the original plan you Lauren then Tara then Ryan thank you um yeah thank you for this presentation and you know the RMI building that you guys did is really great um related to this project I think I wanted to kind of start with understand I've been thinking about this really sort of as a campus I think probably just because it's all being presented to us at once but I wanted to clarify is there an intention for these buildings to all really look like they are kind of a campus together or are you thinking more that like each one of these has a fairly distinct personality clearly you haven't figured out exactly what those are yet at this stage but I'm just kind of wondering

[122:03] conceptually how you're thinking about that yeah I know that we haven't designed them yet but I do feel strongly about that I I we want to avoid the Williams Towers sort of scenario we don't want it to feel like a campus this this should feel like a neighborhood and a neighborhood has a lot of different styles in it so I would suggest that the student building is going to feel different than you know the Sprouts building which is going to feel different than building F right on Baseline um we will we actually have um this idea that we're kicking around where we'll have outside Architects come in and we'll have Crews within our own office that are very separate designing the buildings and then we'll of course put them together to make sure they work together and things but we want there to be eclecticism and differentiation across the site so it doesn't feel like one thing um it's big enough that it should feel like a neighborhood that's been aggregated not one that's been designed in one Fell Swoop unless you disagree and want to convince me no I think that helps me understand

[123:02] the plan a little bit more because really these buildings do look very different um sort of in how they're represented and I think I was getting thrown off a little bit by that but um I think let's see I'm also wondering is there I know that our code really suggests that these buildings get developed kind of together you know you can't if you own the adjacent Parcels everything has to go through the review together but um is there an idea sort of in the development that there might be a phased approach to actually building these buildings one of the things that I often see is that you know as you build a building you learn something right and so having all of these all pop up at once in some to some extent I think you miss the opportunity to

[124:00] evolve um yeah the design as they're built yeah it will be built in increments um but the first kind of components will come together which sounds like I'm skirting the question but over at Boulder Junction you know we're going to bill and I will complete our 12th building together here this fall and the first one I think Aaron was on planning board for in 2016 so these things take time and and we're getting better every time um as I like to joke in sustainability I think we've made every decent mistake you can make in sustainability so each one of our buildings gets better over time so this will take everything we've learned from a dozen buildings and then it will come in some sense of increments over time that we'll figure out between now and when we submit the site review and there may even be a portion of this when we bring in a site review we may have a portion of this that is sort of ghosted in and would require a second site review for that approval like if if we want to do this part of the project in

[125:00] the first site review there may actually be a second site review so that speaks directly to kind of learning over time um great I'll keep that in mind for my comments later um and then speaking to the sustainability goals you talked about kind of all electric Net Zero um what about sort of embodied carbon targets um do you have a sense of are there a set of targets you're looking at or standards that you would be willing to commit to on that side you're speaking our language so um as Andy as Andy mentioned like so he and I have learned quite a bit in designing The Net Zero bilings that we have already designed and and so just briefly you know some of those things we would never talk we don't really talk about them but they're embodied in this plan things like making sure that no you know the B windows or the buildings are narrow so that no window is greater than like 35 or 40 no part of a building is

[126:00] greater than 35 or 40 feet away from a window that really drops the energy use because people tend not to turn on lights taking the stair cores that are in the middle of buildings um and dark and pushing them to the outside and putting windows on them so people are encouraged to take stairs instead of elevators you know good for sustainability good for health so we've all of these like moves that are just in the way we site plan we have been talking about carbon as the next thing and we actually have some relationships like Andy mentioned with RMI and other people where we're going to try to take a stab at okay so now we know how to design a very very low energy use building how do we look at the carbon use of that building both in terms of the construction of it and in terms of the use of carbon over time so um we're developing it I I can't tell you exactly what we'll do but this is exactly what we've been talking about is like sustainability 2.0 that's our next Focus yeah and we're in the middle of a research project that will complete in June so around when we're starting to

[127:01] submit and what we're really trying to do there is even look at Carbon in a slightly different way we're trying to actually look at how do we reduce the material and labor input to these types of buildings by 5 to 7% and one of the things that we found is the result of that based on some early embodied energy calculations is we'd potentially reduce embodied energy by 12 to 14% so it's pretty interesting where we can go with some of this nice thank you for that that's it for my questions good T them Ryan hey there um a few things first of all when it comes to leaving the current shopping center you have to make a right then you have to make a u-turn I can't remember are you planning to change that or is that going to stay like it is I you know I don't know that we know yet we we'd work with staff and that would be great feedback to get from the council um you know right now I think

[128:02] the the current plan is so this L State straight L shaped Street I think the idea would be you would come out the 30th go north and turn left at the light um but you know the transportation department knows a lot more about how their streets work than I do I'm an architect so I think we defer pretty to what city transportation staff thinks would be the best traffic flow pattern okay the we've learned a lot at Boulder Junction and that when you think of Boulder Junction it's served kind of like this by one full service intersection just past Perl to the East and then there is a kind of right in right out over by the project that we're kind of half of in bhps the other half so this is a reasonable scale to serve with substantially at least reduced access points based on what we've learned at Boulder J because it's about the same size okay the next question is we've gotten a lot of community letters and so

[129:00] this next question is about that can you from what I've heard that you've said and I just want to confirm if that's true or not that the within the development agreement there's going to be something about the dark course is that true that it's going to stay for sure I think community members are very worried that whatever is said is not going to happen by the end so I'm very interested what's going to be in the development agreement I think we're open to putting that in a development agreement there's anou that's a memorandum of understanding that's been signed between the family and the dark horse that says that the goal is to keep them we'll keep them there for two years we'll work on a transitionary space and we'll provide a space up to 6,000 square F feet for the Dark Horse and I think you know we'd be glad to put that framework that we develop with them in more detail as part of the site review subal into a development agreement so the dark course never closes because there's gonna goal is to have them never

[130:00] close it's a little more difficult with Sprouts as part of it for example Sprouts actually have to close for two years and reopen and that's conversation we've had with them um and it's it's early in the discussion right as I said this is a chess game not a checkers game but I think the thing for the community to know is that the family the owners of the Dark Horse Dave and his team and the family have worked together for 40 years and they've signed a memorandum of understanding to work together to move the Dark Horse into a new location and um it we at concept review just asking for insights and input from different folks but the the memorandum of understanding I think is public and I think there was a oped that came out in the paper that was um both the Dark Horse and the family saying this is how we're working together to move forward so when it comes to the rest of the retail which it is an well it's not really a neighborhood retail right now I

[131:01] would not call it a neighborhood center since there's not really a gathering happening there because it's one of the shopping centers that I go to a lot um but I think community members are concerned that the retail part of it which is very important to the neighborhoods around there will be not as important to you as the housing whereas that I think that's what they're concerned about so is the is that part of it going to be built first last the retail part the bulk of the retail will be built in the first phase as part of it okay and we're committing to more retail I think even in the first phase than is there right now and and I'll tell you both there's there's two things one is the aspirational side of us on the development side and what I feel like we didn't do as well at Boulder Junction um and the other is just the Practical side from a financial standpoint number one is we can't let retail space sit empty so we'll be doing everything we can to make it successful

[132:01] and and the other is you know from even a selfish standpoint I think we'd be more successful in the residential at Boulder Junction if we had more retail so I think creating a successful neighborhood center from a retail standpoint is essential for us to be successful in the whole project great I think also I think it would also be useful for you to mention um the commercial affordable program yeah although I will say it please do it maybe quickly because we got 21 people that are signed up to speak so be we question section we've talked about trying to do about 10% of the space as affordable retail also and we're starting to get some pretty good Traction in the affordable retail we're doing at Boulder comment how's that there is that it ter okay yes okay Ryan I got one thank you Andy and Bill and team um I have a

[133:01] transportation question or two uh so you you have shown that there's really incredible potential here for new accessible car light living uh with the number of units and the positioning near Su you and with the bikeways and we have our Coreal Network bike ways coming in transit lines but our city code on what we actually require of Transportation demand management and sight review it's very abstract which I'll return to in my comments later um and yet we this is a project that is should be a flagship for holder partly because with our intertwined fate with CU um this be possibly something that gets replicated um that freshman coming in making big the big life decision of what do I do at College presuming we we have the students here so I would expect a very high standard with with Transportation demand management to make all this work and and I liked how you kind of started

[134:01] talking about it earlier and I'm wondering if can you just say anything else about any highlights things that you're excited about PDM with Transportation demand management that you are at least exploring that would um you know make make people kind of think think it sounds interesting I I'll give a really quick one is is I think we're excited about bike programs we're excited about ebike programs we're excited about car share programs which we're starting to develop where we actually develop a fleet of cars and it's kind of like Henry Ford we've said what if we get a bunch of the small Teslas and you can pick any car as long as it's black right so they can park Tandem and we can park them in rows and efficiently do that we're also working with the group that the city's using to manage the garages as I said we're trying to manage it in a different way to actually reduce Transportation demand instead of just accommodate ticketless parking so I think there's I think the technology in transportation demand and garage management and Fleet Management is really coming to an exciting place

[135:01] okay thanks I'll go back coms very briefly I'll just add I'll just add really briefly students are a little different also so part of the program would be tuned to student students love like the lime scooter stuff they use it a lot so there's there's other things that we would want to look at that are you know best practice for students that maybe a little different than the other part of the project great thanks and quick followup um you you you mentioned Rocky Mountain Institute RMI a few times and I think the building aspects they also have got a lot going on in the transportation department I'm wondering if you if you've connected with them or if you intend to to to tap the best of their their abilities yeah we work with Ben a lot from their transportation group so um RMI has been a thought leader they're the ones who guilted me into doing that zero buildings in the first place so um I've been friend with them for 20 years and they'll definitely be tapped into the project okay so you'll have their transportation team sign off on this it sounds like yeah they'll they'll we'll have them critique us from the beginning okay thank

[136:01] you okay I got a couple quick ones for you if that's it Ryan um so uh what do you know what the off hand the square footage of the parking garage that's that's not included in the F calculation I heard that question earlier I apologize that I don't know my guesses is about 80 to 100,000 square F feet okay it's not critical but it be interesting to know at some point but thanks for your response and the other one is you have um a hotel use proposed which is not one of the allowed uses in the zone so what's your thinking there about how that gets included yeah so um to be to be very blunt about it we thought that people would be really interested in keeping the Dark Horse which is why we work so hard to find a new home for it and we thought people would maybe be interested in keeping the hotel use the broker so we're currently thinking that that part of the project might be the second phase and we would come back to site review we wanted to talk with planning board and Council about whether or not a hotel is critical for the site if it's not critical for

[137:00] the site it could be residential if it is critical for the site and the you know the powers that be want to modify the code or something to allow a hotel to remain there and be rebuilt we're okay with that so really it's a question for Council which would you prefer we can do Residential or we can do hotel good we'll come back to that in our discussion then all right any last questions before we move to the public hearing all right I'm not seeing any Terry your hands up but I believe that's from before right if we could uh take the slides down please I just need to get to my public hearing list all right so let's go ahead and open the public hearing and we have 21 speakers which means there's two minutes of testimony per speaker and the public uh participation guidelines from before apply so please

[138:01] keep in mind those um good behavior guidelines and our first three speakers are Lisa Harris loqua and Mike Marsh can you hear me yes hello I realize high-end maximum density housing creates maximum developer profits but 2952 Baseline zoning code and comp plan Neighborhood Center designations are quite clear this site is for neighborhood serving retail which allows residents to walk and bike more and drive less we want to support the city's climate action goals help us help you this project takes us in the opposite direction driving ever farther distances for everyday needs South Boulder has very limited shopping and this project removes even more of it including the one grocery store and shops willville and Boulder Creek residents can walk to sorry Bear Creek residents can walk to why do reasonable resident needs for basic necessary walkable retail always take a backseat to developer profits online purchasing

[139:02] doesn't fulfill all needs nor it should it it doesn't support local Boulder businesses or contribute to Boulder sales tax and it creates longer consumer tail pipes the comp plan directs neighborhood centers to have quote buildings at a scale and intensity lower than downtown downtown's height limit is 38 ft 2952 Baseline proposes a solid wall of 655 ft high buildings directly on the opposite side of us36 from Martin Acres this will reflect additional Highway noise back towards us and for those who don't live nearby 70 mph traffic on us36 already creates unbearable Highway noise and this will amplify IT staff comment in your packet on page 357 quote further the current proposal does little to achieve a transition in scale to surrounding uses and neighborhoods with the majority of the building frontages being five stories given that the site lies immediately across from a low density single family neighborhood and the existing businesses across Baseline are all below 35 ft the proposed building Heights and massing appear to

[140:00] be inconsistent with several comp plan policies related to the built environment including 2.33 sensitive infill and Redevelopment 2.36 physical design for people and elements of 2.41 and enhanced design for all projects end quote please follow the comp plan don't allow this kind of hyp bear and save this neighborhood center thank you thanks now Lois laqua Mike Marsh and Mitchell block mute unmute now am I there yes okay hi um if uh the developers would do something like actually put on site affordable housing it would be one of the best things they could could do with this property uh cash and L has never been a I've never been a fan of that that is one of the most perfect spots for affordable housing in the city and if they would do that and drop the

[141:01] height down to what the zoning requires which is three stories not four and five um I could even possibly get behind this this project my major concern is the traffic and the thir 30th and Baseline intersection which is very very difficult now especially in the uh commuting hours and to have an extra what what we have 610 units with two people I mean we you're talking about 1500 I don't know how many people you're talking about living there uh electric cars and all of that is fine it's not going to happen for 10 years and I have a huge concern about that one way out which is basically 30th and uh Baseline intersection and I don't think that has been addressed at all and so those are my oh though then I wanted to also say someone in the developers said something about um people are going to move there

[142:01] from Superior and Broomfield because it's so nice well that is just a bunch of crap nobody people live in Superior in Broomfield because it's cheaper um they're not going to move to Boulder because they have nice housing on the corner of Baseline in 30th so C instead of doing cash and Lou if you would put affordable housing there it would be a huge uh a huge plus and if you do something about the traffic and take that height down to three stories like it's supposed to be and don't put a hotel up there either it's not in the zoning pay attention to the regulations that you guys have written thank you for your work and for being on a city council what a lousy job of okay thanks that's it uh thank you now Mike Marsh Mitchell block and David bachelder good evening 2952 Baseline is

[143:02] 100% zon for neighborhood serving retail and serviceses as a neighbor I'd support way more retail there wable South Boulder retail was woefully lacking more and more Soo residents are driving to Lewisville and Superior to shop instead help residents reduce carbon emissions by denying Coburn's proposal and redirecting them to develop way more retail there per the zoning and keep Sprouts open with no closures note the developers non-binding letter in your packet about preserving retail win possible as a meager 8% of a site that's supposed to be 100% retail our packet said retail isn't until the Project's Final Phase three when construction goes over budget and developers drop items so please require far more zoning mandated retail in phase one so we know it'll get done relegate the luxury housing and hotel which aren't even supposed to be in this zoning to phases 2 and three do

[144:00] you recall these broken promises the 2014 proposal for the North Boulder Armory develop development promised an Arts Pavilion with affordable live work spaces for for artists a gallery a brew pub and a 5300t flex space for events and Gatherings The Proposal generated excitement in North Boulders Arts community and met a favorable reception from the city at concept plan review but the developer later pulled these amenities no Studio space no Gallery no Brew Pub no flexx space the 311 Mapleton Academy project promised to build 100 affordable housing units at 33rd in Arapaho but after building 311 Mapleton they dropped the affordable housing at fofs and the Redevelopment of the former Daily Camera building at tenth and pearl promised a 13,000 ft Community Theater an art housee Cinema with six theaters each seating 49 people they redeveloped the building but never made the theater how many times will Council Get Fooled

[145:02] thank you thanks now Mitchell block David bachelder and Eliza Grace I do not see Mitchell online but Mitchell if you are here if you want to reach out to me in the Q&A box or By Di star n on your keypad we'll move on but we'll get Mitchell later if he comes back so that's David bachelder then hey can you hear me yes awesome um so yeah my name is David bachelder I'm a graduate student at CU Boulder and the Master's of the environment program I've gotten the opportunity to study Urban resilience affordable housing and City Planning I definitely wouldn't claim to be an expert just wanted to come tonight express my thoughts on this topic um when I was thinking about the Dark Horse and the accompanying 10 acre lot um I really just saw this as a wonderful

[146:01] opportunity for Boulder to transform and transition transition the space just into a more sustainable housing for students and I guess quote unquote workers um I I know a lot of discussion tonight has been about affordable housing so I don't really want to delve into that too much um even though I think it's worth delving into I do think Boulder has created somewhat of a dilemma in that regard but um I I feel like it's fair to say that Boulder needs more housing um and by building more housing that does tend to reduce housing prices I know that's a generalization but kind of true um especially when the backbone of Boulder is the University it's good to think about like students and the challenges they face with hous housing um I know from first a experience and I'm sure a lot of people know this it's is very competitive um and by by building out this place you'll just offer a space kind of for students to be more connected I have friends my graduate program we kind of neglected to

[147:02] living like 30 minutes out uh from Boulder itself because when they arrived they didn't realize how competitive it was so I think by by offering more spaces for housing um you'll just allow students the opportunity to be more connected um with with their communities which I think is a very key aspect of kind of a university experience um but that's all I got thank you guys thank you now we have Eliza Grace Shelby Bates and Ronald Le deu can you hear me yes okay so I'd just like to state that I think the willville to development clearly meets the goals of the Boulder County comprehensive plan which lists considering and weighing the interconnections among social environmental and economic areas in all decisions as a guiding principle uh the

[148:00] development very clearly meets several goals within the comprehensive plan some I'll list here first the that it promotes outcomes consistent with principles of sustainability that it minimizes Reliance on fossil fuels promotes healthy and safe structure es and provide safe and environmentally compatible Transportation improvements while I understand the sentiment value of the Dark Horse it's important to recognize that progress NE necessitates change and the potential of willville to to contribute positively to Boulder's environment and Community far outweighs the benefits provided by a single establishment I also like to say that if there's any place in Boulder that density should be allowed it is in this space because one of the most dense dense parts of Boulder currently exists right next to it which with huge Towers so it doesn't really make sense to me for people to be fighting against

[149:01] density in the area where it already exists we need to put it somewhere and I think that anyone who understands sustainability would agree that putting more people in a dense space will improve traffic um and will improve Community Values and will improve transit systems and encourage people to walk and bike um so I definitely think that this what is there now just a shopping center one story with lots of pavement definitely is prime for redevelopment in this way and I fully support it and that's all I have for you thank you all for being here thanks now Shelby Bates Ron Dew and Dorothy Cohen hi can you hear me yes hi this is Shelby B um I have lived south of 30th and Colorado intersection for about five or

[150:00] six years now um I am not a student but I really do love my neighborhood it's close to the Boulder Creek path it's close to Scott Carpenter pool it's by the bound bus we just had the new bike lane improvements and my reason for coming tonight is to really talk about the sprouts sprouts is the only walkable grocery store in this neighborhood and I am concerned from the developers presentations in the planning board presentation as well that the priority has been on student housing with the need to close sprouts for two years as someone who has a Mobility disability who doesn't have a car and often cannot drive the Sprouts is really my critical neighborhood resource um and I I haven't really seen in the plan and like how those sorts of resources are going to be maintained in the time that the construction is happening leading me to feel that people like myself will be pushed out of the neighborhood because it would be very hard to live here for two years without an open grocery store

[151:03] um so I do appreciate in tonight's presentation that they talked about moving the Sprouts more to the corner um and maybe having some consideration of some sort of transitional plans and things um but overall I know it's a concrete uh jungle kind of area I know it's not the greatest place but it's also the place that exists in my neighborhood that I can walk to and that I can get to easily um and so I just have some concerns around maintaining the businesses that are there I also super love Cosmos Pizza um so I think that's everything I had to say thank you so much for your time thank you now Ronda Dorothy Cen and Mike Dy hi Rond a few here uh 2952 Baseline is Zone bc2 defined by code section 95-2 as neighborhood serving retail serving a number of neighborhoods staff note that the current site complies with that code requirement what is proposed

[152:01] will not in spite of what the developer says uh just 8% will be retail and they have changeed I don't know 80% will be extremely high density unaffordable housing and 6% of Hotel page 173 of your packet says that hotels are not allowed use in the bc2 zoning allotting only that percentage of the property as neighborhood serving retail in zoning that city law says should be all or nearly all retail is not compliant with the Zoning for Boulder revised PID chapter nine second the Meer retail is slated for the very last phase of the development at least it was the final phase is where items get dropped we regularly see developers claim the projects went over budget and Final Phase retail just won't and so note the developers words that they said at least in the first proposal the current retail and restaurant uses will be retained when possible when possible is a loose phrase telegraphing that it might happen uh Sprout's gone for two years it'll

[153:01] it'll be a dead business by them developer of the former Daily Camera building uh at ten and pearl promised a community theater in order to get the project approved that never actually built the theater 311 Mapleton developer promised off-site affordable housing the former fous flower site that never happened either uh the percentage of retail is way too little developer will probably drop even that small bit in the Final Phase I expect that Sprouts will be dropped in the construction's Final Phase rather than quote relocated unquote what's clear from these examples that the city doesn't have any way of enforcing promises developers make in order to get their permits please deny this proposal or require at least 50% retail restaurants and services in Phase One and since those are the purposes of this property per Boulder Vis code chapter 9 thank you thank you now we have Dorothy Cohen Mike Duffy and Emily O'Hara my name is Dorothy Cohen the

[154:01] Boulder Valley comp plan identifies 2952 Baseline as neighborhood cent center described as the follows in addition to serving neighborhood gathering places these centers also provide goods and services for the day-to-day needs of nearby residents workers and students neighborhood centers should be included in RS of locally serving retail the anchors such as grocery stores and personal services such as salons and markets 2952 is identified as a neighborhood center providing service residents I currently shop at Sprouts and I know students at William V Village use it regularly having it gone for two years and I know that when you put it inside an apart uh a a resident a residential apartment building it's not going to be the same I know Carelli as a neighborhood Gathering Place as well as the Dark Horse which in two years is eligible for Historic

[155:01] Landmark the city is trying to have folks Drive less for carbon footprint and climate change by removing sprouts and limiting grocery store within a walking distance the 15minute rule of walkable neighborhoods needs to be looked at more closely the city needs to look at zoning and keep businesses that serve the neighborhood by not getting rid of barbecue Pizza corellis Etc the students have to drive further I do not think we need two Boutique student housing within a mile of each other I know that what other people have said about you know when money Runs Out are they really going to put Sprouts in and if it's been gone for two years what's that going to look like the city needs to enforce the Boulder Valley comp plan thank you thank you now we have Mike deffy Emily O'Hara and Mark

[156:04] stangle good evening demolition of important commercial properties and existing businesses to start construction of this project should require an equitable square footage of commercial space be a priority in the new buildings It's relatively simple in fact required to top out and dry in first with the ground floor space available interior finishing for commercial use should be prioritized as soon as possible with a relatively simple logistical plan ground floor business could be operating while the upper level apartments are finished without compromising the safety of the construction workers and the commercial customers loss of sales tax from those lost businesses could be mitigated with an expedited plan to provide commercial space opportunity as early as possible without affecting the continued interior construction of the upper level Apartments lost Services grocery store

[157:01] with the deli restaurants liquor store barber shop and the like could be restored to the existing neighbors much more quickly all of those neighbors will be traveling further and likely more often to find replacement services during construction of the project you should consider the increased number of people be moving in while apartments are still being finished and all of those people will be in need of those lost Services plan to restore as many of those Services as quickly as possible will align much better with the city's sustainability goals where transportation is concerned some 60% of the new apartments are for non students it's not as if this development is near medium or large employment opportunities other than cu meaning about 400 non students will need access to public transportation I think we're all aware of RTD shortcomings and slow reaction to the needs particularly where Boulder is concerned this discussion needs to begin as soon as

[158:00] possible thanks for your time and consideration thank you now Emily O'Hara Mark Sangle and Cecil gers hello I'm speaking here tonight because I heard about this idea for a mixed use development right next to where cu's biggest dorms already are um right now there's just a one-story strip mall there and it's pretty depressing the whole area is a parking lot and I personally don't feel safe walking around there um but imagine if that place turned into a cool spot where young professionals like me could live hang out and shop without having to drive everywhere um I'm a huge advocate for a walkable lifestyle it's not just about convenience it's more about building a community that's connected and Lively and it's much better for the environment um and it looks like the development is going to add a lot of Green Space which is really needed in that area I really hope you'll consider

[159:02] making this mixed use concept the reality it would be beneficial to students young professionals and I think for Boulder in general I strongly urge the council to recognize the immense potential of this mixed use development for contri to a more vibrant accessible and sustainable Boulder this is a great opportunity to Define what it means to live and work and study and Boulder and ensures a brighter Greener future for generations to come um thanks for listening and for all the work you do and I hope we can agree on how great the development would be thank you thank you now Mark stangle Cecilia gers and Chan Trussell excuse me can you hear me okay yes uh please don't believe developers claims that retail isn't viable developers can Le space for much higher rates if permitted to build high-end Class A office space where retail should be area

[160:00] Realtors uh a area retailers haven't been closed due to lack of business it's because of many bct2 shopping center owners charge Skyhigh rents they expected retail to pay lease rates similar similar to what Google pays for class A office space our wealthier residents pay for high-end housing retail can't do that anywhere fortunately BCT zoning ensures that there are dedicated 100% retail spaces if only city will enforce it we wish the city would prevent bc2 land owners from changing charging unreasonable uh rents that close retail businesses that's because that's the actual problem during the 2014 Baseline zero proposal that developer claimed retail wasn't viable because one of his spaces nearby Baseline Line crossing next to Mexican Cali Grill was vacant but we found out that the leasing office was charging 3750 a foot for that space 10 years ago that was double what South Boulder retailers normally paid retail vacancies due to exorbitant rent uh should not be

[161:02] confined conflated with retail unviability the Bas Mar Center issue that lost its Whole Food anchor store so adjacent ret retailers were suffering that Whole Foods was always busy and did a great business it only closed when Amazon Was preparing to buy Whole Foods the Whole Foods clo its smallest square foot store in every US market to make books look better so they closed basart but unfortunately continued to pay the rest of Whole Foods lengthy basart lease term rather than subletting that kept a whole new anchor store from opening please require 2952 Baseline to be nearly all retail per its zoning thank you very much thank you now Cecilia gers Jen Trussell and ly SE uh my name is Cecilia gers I live in Martin Acres on the Southeast end I um patronize the stores at Baseline and 30th they're part of my neighborhood and I'm there weekly for

[162:00] Sprouts and less frequently for some of the restaurants uh the space is as it's currently Zone commercial I'd like to really see a large emphasis on commercial retail and be that retail being um built more um at the beginning of the project rather than the end of the project as others have said I don't want to see that uh retail fall off the end of the project because there's not sufficient funding to do so we all know how inflation has um eroded um people's ability to buy things um materials building materials are not exempt and anyone who's rebuilding their home after the Marshall fire certainly knows how costs of are being run up so that's something that we want to ensure against secondly this is yet again a high-end housing project and affordability is not in anywhere in the plans for this site but why not incorporate affordability into

[163:01] this project uh just just a comment the uh cash andl um process having that in exchange for actually building affordable housing just pushes off the problem um not it's not unlike the tactics of the um fossil fuel industry and pushing off any meaningful response for climate change I have concerns about modifying the height and whether or not that fits into the neighborhood I have concerns about the volume of traffic the new public streets are only still going to be on the same size uh Baseline in 30th Street that are there presently I have for continuing being able to continue to shop at local neighborhood businesses at this site and I thank you for hearing my comments and considering them thank you now Jan Trussell ly seagull and Mary

[164:00] Scout can you hear me yes all right planning board and city council are required to decide land use applications based on BRC chapter 9 which clearly direct bc2 zoning to be neighborhood serving retail your other required references Boulder Valley comp plan these three sections specifically apply section 2.33 sensitive infill and Redevelopment quote the city will gear subcommunity and area planning to avoid or adequately mitigate negative impacts of infill and Redevelopment to the community and individual neighborhoods 2952 Baseline will have enormous negative impacts on surrounding neighborhoods including traffic paralysis removing much loved and walkable neighborhood retail that people need towering mass and height that dwes surrounding neighborhoods and will function like a sound reverberation wall to reflect even more already deafening US 36 Highway noise back in Martin Acres section 2.36 physical design for people

[165:02] the city will take all reasonable steps to ensure that development and Redevelopment beign be designed in a manner that is sensitive to social health and psychological needs this will include factors such as the appropriate scale and mass of buildings related to Neighborhood context 2952 Baseline scale and and massing is wildly andap appropriate given the predominantly one-story 13 feet high homes in the adjacent East Aurora Baseline subcommunities in Martin acre neighborhoods section 2.41 enhanced design for all projects through its policies and programs the city will encourage a require quality architecture and Urban Design and all development that addresses the following elements projects should become a coherent part of the neighborhood in which they are placed specific attention will be given to protecting and enhancing the quality of established residential areas that are adjacent to business areas 2952 Baseline does the opposite of this and

[166:01] removing our neighborhood retail thank you thank you now ly seel Mary Scott and Robert por L seagull you know it's interesting because it's kind of counterintuitive to do Transportation demand management and increase the height at the same time because guess what the more people are squished you know they're leaving New York City they're leaving you know they're squished into little compartments and they want to get out that's cter counterintuitive Ryan to yes you want T you know trans transportation oriented development but you don't want it to the extent of this height where people want to get out all the more to get away from their little enclosed places now CU is not the city of Boulder's responsibility this is our plot of land

[167:03] CU has theirs you know this is the state versus the city and we don't need to be doing cu's work for them we don't need to be handing the developer 10 15 Juniper you know we we've got enough problems with our own City with affordability without dealing with cu cu South the Millennium Olive you know all over town we're developing high-end student housing um it's it's really overwhelming to take on CU in this way we we're we're you know competing we've got a hotel to a hotel on the hill and another hotel here no no no no on site only one two three level that's it 35 ft no parking reductions no Hotel stop giving the developer a handout we've got

[168:03] you know we're spending 1.5 uh million on Gaza on destroying Gaza and yet we've got these kind of issues in our own town that we're trying to support give poor CU a hand they've got two Life Sciences centers in the East Business Park stop already thank you now we have Mary Scott Robert bath and Brookie Gallagher okay thank you I'm unmuted now my name is Mary Scott uh I have lived in Boulder for over 20 years I'm speaking with you this evening in support of not demolishing the current retail at 2952 Baseline I have two points tonight pertaining to the uh Boulder Valley comp plan firstly as was presented earlier by Chandler uh according to the Boulder Valley comp plan this site is listed as a neighborhood center subject to the following Neighborhood Center guiding

[169:01] principle published on page 45 of the comp plan quote a neighborhood center must meet everyday needs of the neighboring homes and include a mix of locally serving retail to meet everyday needs allocating just 8% of this neighborhood center to retail does not fulfill this principle we now know that 8% of suggested retail space will not happen until the last phase of development leaving the surrounding neighbors with no access to the current time cherished services and there is the potential for retail to be dropped or changed significantly by the time this project starts secondly according to the bould valley comp plan I quote neighborhood centers must be at a scale and intensity lower than downtown ensuring compatibility of buildings with adjacent residential uses and these transition zones should encourage A diversity of low and medium density residential uses such as attach single family housing row

[170:02] homes and a variety of flats therefore with the current height density and Community serving requirements listed in the Boulder Valley comp plan this proposal simply cannot be approved as presented thank you thank you now Robert porth rookie Gallagher and Daniel Howard I do not see Robert online but Robert if you are here please reach out to me in the Q&A box or use the Raam function okay then Brookie Gallagher then can you hear me yes can you hear me yes yes okay I realize I'm repeating some comments but this may be useful to emphasize the importance of the points for a parcel zoned 100% neighborhood

[171:01] serving retail to provide only 8% retail space is highly inappropriate if an alternative land use would solve an existing problem that would seem worthy of consideration however the proposed market rate Housing Development would not solve any problem it would instead create more problems older has an urgent need for affordable obtainable housing more luxury housing will not contribute to solving this problem additionally Boulder has set a goal to reduce car use and promote a walking and bike friendly community eliminating close easily accessible neighborhood serving grocery restaurants and other retail will require the hundreds of new res residents as well as the many hundreds of current nearby neighborhood residents

[172:00] to travel much further likely by car for their groceries entertainment Etc so not only does this Redevelopment designed not contribute to reducing car travel but can increase car travel and the associated traffic and closing sprouts for two years during construction will have an extremely negative impact on the neighborhood finally delaying the retail development until the final stage of the project also puts the retail at risk of not being completed at all several people spoke to this in detail earlier the retail portion of this project must be required to be the first stage of the project and the retail portion must be significantly higher to provide a more successful housing retail mix and the housing should at least include affordable housing thank you thank you now Daniel Howard Joseph

[173:01] mcclusky and Paula Mosley hi uh my name is Daniel Howard resident of South Boulder and I'm speaking as a member of urban environmentalists and the urban sustainability Committee of the Sierra Club My Views do not necessarily reflect that of my employer enar or the National Science Foundation I'm here to support the concept review and needed code variances in order to proceed with its development I want to end emphasize the climate benefits of mixed use and Transit oriented development for Matt Farmer at the Southwest Energy Efficiency project and Nel's red stock model building with 10 plus multi family units use 30 34% to as low as 30% of energy use per household unit compared to single family homes water use also decreases by 86% for multif family housing units as aess in the Colorado water growth dialogue SE September 2018 water growth dialogue's September 2018 report the Rocky Mountain Institute also highlights a 2023 Denver study that uping urban areas of multif family and mixed juuse Transit oriented development leads to 13% reduction vmts 8% reduction in ghgs and most importantly 82 82%

[174:01] reduction in per capita land use preventing unnecessary Spa into or across Boulders open space and instead preserving land for wildlife habitats Agriculture and carbon sequestration these outcomes meaningfully align with the current B Boulder Valley comprehensive plan to note there's also presently a bill proceeding at the state level to incentivize Transit oriented communities and if passed this development would qualify and ease pressure to UPS an additional acreage across Boulder elsewhere as for my own recommendations I would add that strong considerations and variances are provided towards reducing parking requirements and not incentivizing students or other community members like myself who may want to live here to bring a car parking spots which should be separate from rental cost can contribute $200 to $300 a month in rent and wors in housing affordability and there should be options for residents to reduce the housing cost by not having unnecessary cars in their household parking should align with the acronym sump shared parking unbundled parking managed travel demand and paid parking I personally did not bring a car with me as a college student and non-card dependent students should have more options in Boulder I look forward to

[175:00] your continue to support this project and further conversations to work with planners and developers to create a walkable people Centric and thriving place for people not Cars serving future generations and patrons of a revitalized dark horse for the next Century thank you thank you our last two speakers are Joseph mclusky and Paula Mosley CL up this it looks like you're muted I got that sorry can you hear me now yes although you're faint so please

[176:02] speak up please speak oh we're not really getting him hear me can you hear me that's better oh it is okay so listen I'll just speak loudly let's get H thorough can we make this can we make this more more profitable higher and more outside our current zoning the basic facts are not in question those facts are giant deviation from the property zoning and unnecessarily locating the dark hor previous time that we're try taking I mean this press time that we're taking discussing the proposal de on arrival a bad sign for business in Boulder entertaining developers attrition techniques speaks volumes about Council person's ability to fulfill their responsibility in my opinion any op any opposition to what I have just said

[177:01] amounts to opposition to the current Z zoning laws the developer could take their quality time and help us strengthen our zoning laws before proposing things that fly in the face of well-conceived zoning that guarantees nearby shop districts for Neighbors if the developer in the Williams family would like to develop that property per the zoning they should do so but do so efficiently within a decade or two in my in my opinion many of these high density properties begin to feel like tenements high density creates further aggravation and is more expensive than predicted aggravation becomes an expensive environment in which to live so again the developers proposal to the city reveals a plan significantly deviating from the current zoning earmarking on only 8% of the site for retail with the implementation delayed until the final construction phase raising concerns about potential project budget overun which happens all the time so the subsequent elimination of pro promise amenities and I'm I'm saying not at this time and not to Hur than for your time

[178:02] thank you last speaker and then we'll just see if any of the other people have come back last speaker is paos hello my name is Paula Mosley I live in Martin Acres I hope the council members will take time to watch the planning board meeting of January 16th if you haven't already I don't think the summary given earlier this evening fully captures the public feedback removing disturbing destroying the current businesses at the site in order to build luxury and student housing in no way improves our community I don't see how our businesses can survive and Andy Bush says it's like a chess game when it comes to relocating the existing businesses I think it seems that way because the project is starting with housing rather than starting by preserving and enhancing our existing retail talented designers and Architects

[179:01] and thoughtful developers can make this work find creative ways to incorporate housing with and around the existing retail market rate units what family that can afford mark market rate will want to live next to the turnpike it will likely become majority student housing and not attract long-term residents High turnover housing is not how we build community in commuting the presentation assumes that people will be moving here from Brighton Etc that's not how it will work people will move here from out of state as they always have what will actually happen is that people like me will have to drive miles further just to get groceries if Sprouts is gone is no longer easily accessible to folks who don't live on site the idea of neighborhood serving retail on this project will actually sacrifice serving the existing neighborhoods in favor of serving this proposed new artificially

[180:00] created neighborhood I'd also like to encourage on-site affordable units because that actually helps build community Landmark lofs where my mother has an affordable unit um has demonstrated that I see affordable owners participating and keeping that place thriving lastly there's not nearly enough Community benefit in this project to warant increased Heights as shown in the concept plan thank you and can one time is up oh please be done with black and gray buildings thank you very good let's see it looks like we have um oh yes we have one additional speaker it's Jessa Herzberg she was originally in comment and move to this public hearing so jica you're up hi can everyone hear me yes as a boulder resident and student at CU studying Urban resilience and sustainability I want to express my support for this development

[181:00] particularly particularly for its alignment with Boulders transportation and safety objectives the city's commitment to reducing miles of travel by 20% by 2030 and reducing greenhouse gas emissions from transportation by 50% by 2030 will only be met if the city supports developments that encourage Less Car us more sustainable modes of transportation with CU Boulder being the largest employer in Boulder County this decision impacts more than 8,000 faculty on top of more than 30,000 students this development embodies this Vision offering a layout that promotes a more walkable and bikable Boulder directly contributing to the reduction of greenhouse gases and enhancing overall livability the vision zero Boulder Safe Streets report highlights the urgent need for such development to decrease road traffic and accidents by providing housing that decreases the need for driving especially among students who represent a significant portion of traffic and severe crash statistics the

[182:00] space will make our roads safer for everyone while I acknowledge the concerns surrounding save the dark hor the overall benefits of this development including more housing less traffic and a more environmentally friendly City far outweigh the change to this one bar its relocation within the development should be more than enough to make up for the loss of the actual building because it seems like the Williams family is working hard to make the future of Dark Horse a positive and not a negative also the development very clearly meets several goals within Boulder's comprehensive plan such as its goals to support Transportation safety and accessibility minimize Reliance on fossil fuels and provide safe and environmentally compatible Transportation improvements I definitely think the C should consider the comprehensive benefits of this development not only for Boulder's present but for its sustainable and more Equitable future thank you thank you and um do we have either of the speakers that were not present before have either of them come back we do not okay then I

[183:03] will go ahead and close the public hearing thanks everyone for coming out and testifying to us on this topic going to come back to council um so Council it's time for our uh disc discussion here I'm going to encourage us to be concise with our remarks because it's 9:00 and we have another substantial matter after this one but it's also important to give um specific and clear feedback on this project as as we have it I'm going to try to condense our key issues if we could again for efficiency of discussion so what I'm I'm hoping that we could each of us say whether we think this is overall unappropriate project and then whether we have any specific comments about things we might like to see different about it or changed and then once we've done that I was thinking about coming back at the end and doing a straw poll on whether we felt like a hotel was a critical piece of this puzzle so maybe you can skip that in your general remarks unless you really need to address it and I'll come back to it at the end since the applicant's Looking for really clear

[184:00] guidance on that does that work for folks yes so let's see Lauren do you want to comment on the organization no sorry I just wanted okay I didn't see any making an outraged face so we maybe we can use that structure that I just proposed and so we can address everything all together all at once laen go ahead and get us started thanks so generally I do think this could be an appropriate project um it's a large project that will have significant impact on our community um and while there's a lot of potential I think there's also a lot of work that's design work required um before it's going to get to a place of site plan review um given the scale and nature of the design process I want to to put out my request that we get some of our

[185:01] subject area experts on Tab and dab to have a chance and weigh in on this project before it's submitted for site review I would like to see tab review the Transportation connections and ensure that best practices are followed for safety related to all modes of traffic and to encourage mode shifting I personally find the current road layout a little questionable and fairly car Centric making some of the internal circulation streets werf or pedestrian first streets is something I hope the development team will consider I I would like to see dab review the project related to standard 2.33 the sensitive infill and Redevelopment and 2.41 um enhanced design for all projects under sensitive infill and Redevelopment

[186:00] this section speaks to mitigating negative impacts and enhancing benefits um I'm concerned that we have an area of town that's unique and quirky um and that it could potentially I mean I know that this was an initial early design phase but it could be replaced with development that could be anywhere in the state or the nation um I'm excited that this proposal takes a forward-looking approach to transitioning to a less car dependent more sustainable future but when it comes back to us I really would like to see um buildings that make clear this is located in a fun and funky part of town directly adjacent to the university and I think that the design Advisory Board would be a good place to kind of help um ensure that this project is meeting that

[187:00] section um under enhanced design for all projects I'm particularly interested in making sure that this addresses sort of the human scale and art in public spaces permeability and building um having dabs input before site plan submission I think would be helpful in ensuring the flow and design of these new public spaces in outdoor rooms are high quality high functioning and welcoming spaces I also think it's important that this project provide more commercial space than is currently located on the site and potential phasing of the project should be planned such that the current amount of commercial area can be maintained or exceeded at every phase and that access to fresh and local to fresh food is maintained I won't talk about the hotel um till we do the straw pole I but

[188:00] I want to encourage a phased approach where design where the buildings are designed and built over a longer period of time because I think that really is important to creating an authentic neighborhood feel when all the buildings are designed at once it's hard to get away as much as we try from kind of almost like that Disneyland pre-manufactured kind of thing I think it's really important to let things age and understand how that works as we to develop bigger areas more successfully I'd like to see more Greenery and a reduction to overall Paving along with some beautiful creative infiltration and detention areas finally I um look forward to hearing more about the Innovative strategies you will come up with to reduce both the embodied energy and the energy use those are passions of mine and I'm excited to see how you are measuring that and what

[189:01] strategies you take on thank you thank for some real specific comp plan sections Lauren very cool all right uh we got Mark Nicole and T yeah well first I want to say I think I agree with every single word that that Lauren said on this project I thought those comments were excellent um and I applaud some elements of the project such as the resolution of the Dark Horse Tavern issue um and ultimately there is an approvable project here but it's not ready for prime time yet um so far it looks like the project has been designed to maximize developable square footage rather than a livable Community um and I know that the massing of the buildings is preliminary but right now it looks like you're entering a fortress lacking only a moat to be complete um and I have a problem with that I'm I also have a problem with the

[190:00] fact that we're being asked to stretch the definition of a neighborhood center beyond recognition um and to do so primarily in exchange for high-end housing and high-end student housing and I would like the applicant to address this in its next iteration um I'm not going to make my comments about the hotel at the mayor's request but I will say that the planning board made a number of what I think are really useful suggestions um relating to design bulk and height uh in addition to what Lauren has suggested and I would like the applicant to pay serious heed to those suggestions because I think it will create a livable project as opposed to a simply a Monumental project which is where we are at the moment thank you thanks Nicole TAA Tina Terra thank you and um thanks to all the

[191:01] folks who showed up to weighin tonight during the public comment as well um similar to uh Lauren and Mark um I think this concept is generally appropriate I just want to underscore the um my desire for tab and dab review um specifically with tab I'm really interested in uh hearing some feedback on ways to maximize um pedestrian use of the site and pedestrian friendly design there um improving some of the multimodal connections from the multi-use path uh I would also love to hear from tab on what they think about the parking um and consolidating the parking in one area as well as the access points especially the small number of two way access points from dab I'd be really interested in um looking at improving the design and usability of on-site Open Spaces increasing the amount of uh shared at Great open space site permeability um improving access to views from open space areas pedestrian

[192:00] friendly Street design and uh moving the parking structure to the West Side um of the site um I agree with some of staff's open space comments I'd really like to see uh better concepts for Community spaces and I appreciate the intention that is going into creating some Community spaces and I think what I'm especially interested in is thinking about um creating spaces that are um that have shade that have seating areas really spaces where Community can come together um I would also be very interested in absorbent Landscaping uh low water use type Landscaping uh that's not cement and some fire resistant native plants and things like that um I agree with some of the comments around um having a little bit more commercial space and would also like to Echo the point that I would really love to see a way to keep the grocery store and some of these other businesses uh open throughout development to keep serving um the

[193:00] neighborhood and the folks who are there um I will save my hotel comments too thank you right Taisha Tina thank thank you so much excuse me um I Echo um the comments that um Lauren shared and wanted to in addition to transportation and uh planning board I would also like to invite the environmental Advisory Board uh I am especially interested I haven't heard anything about waste recycling um and so those are areas that I would love to hear more about ESP especially considering that we have uh already challenges particularly around composting um so that's certainly an area in the advisor the environmental Advisory Board also uh can provide more guidance and feedback on Green Building air quality as well as energy so um I'm

[194:00] definitely interested in um having them and although I know that our Water Resources board primarily looks at the capital Improvement building uh buildings uh I am interested always in Water waste water and storm water as it relates to this especially since uh per um Mark's hotline question about the 100 500e flood plain so would love to hear more uh about that intersection as well uh and again I will save the remainder of my remarks about the hotel for later but I did want to say thank you for uh trying to include some additional um community space that's inside uh but again um I think that when I think about how how many people are going to be um in those buildings um just questioning whether one space or the size of the space is going to be sufficient for their needs thank you so much thank you TAA seea Tera Ry y i just very quickly I Echo what Lauren and Mark said and just want to

[195:00] add um also I think staff did a great job providing comments on the project as well that were really helpful um as we looked at it and I just hope that they're all addressed and and considered and then also just looking at the affordability and the um the retail space that's needed so thanks nice and concise Taran right first um as everybody else I agree with Lauren she's very popular tonight good job Lauren and I want to thank Emily one of the speakers for bringing up uh safety in that area right now because that's where I shop as well and it does not feel safe especially for students especially for women um and especially at night so I'm looking forward to better lighting and Landscaping and uh more of a safe design when it comes to safety I think about bike safety over there actually uh there is a lot of bike theft in that area so I'm hoping you would consider some more

[196:02] Innovative highights as to how we can keep the bikes from being stolen in that area specifically um we have a a little committee which includes um Community cycles and PD and cupd that is working on some Innovation there so I would really love to see that as opposed to having you know um bike racks to the sides of buildings in the dark Etc where bikes can easily be stolen since I'm hoping that that area is used mostly by pedestrians and bikers um the other thing I want to say is thank to Shelby and others who brought up that it will be very difficult to not have a Sprouts there for two years I know for me that's my grocery store as well and so I'm wondering if you can innovatively think of a way to may keep the Sprouts open for longer for there to

[197:02] be two years is a long time as many people said and it would definitely affect people's quality of life um I'm wondering we haven't talked too much about noise but did hear a lot about the uh constituents and Mar Martin Acres who are worried about the noise and well is that I don't know is there a study about that will there be just to make sure that whatever building goes on that it has the least amount of effect uh noise- wise in the martiner neighborhood I did want to also thank you for putting in a lot of trees and I'm hoping you can put in way more trees uh that area is has a Dar of Nature and we could really use some nature over there so that is everything that I have to say thank you right I would first like to also adopt Laura's comments I think I agreed with every word um this is one of the biggest projects

[198:03] that will impact transportation and accessibility that this Council will probably see makes it very exciting um it also it's something that we have to manage actively um if it's going to really be something to reduce car Reliance and give better people better options and um we need to manage that in in the context of not really having a template for how to do it um it might surprise people to know that we our reference to TDM requirements in city code that's in site review -214 very vague and our no neither our planning board nor Transportation Advisory Board have any kind of an adopted framework to really tell applicants what what what we expect and um I understand there is a artifact that's a 10 years old that

[199:00] wasn't really a formal thing that sort of keeps getting circulated and I think that um so the answer to the question is this consistent with BCP um sorry bbcp I I think maybe I think 6.14 in that document talks about Transportation demand well travel reduction and getting it right or excuse me Transportation impact reduction mitigation getting that right and I think um I think it does fit if we can we can do this and so um my just to cut to my um feedback both for the applicant and for tab I think we really need to invent something here I think I think we the direction we should give tab is that don't assume we have a standard way to do this and as such we we need something that um we could really stand by um and so I'd ask them to think about that um and be creative part of that might be also to

[200:00] consider if this is a development that is explicitly aiming to be intertwined with CU then maybe there's some specific Provisions you might expect in a TDM package that would sufficiently engaged with the University or other partners I'm just thinking out loud but just just trying to give an idea I think this is we should really be asking tab to be creative and um on that if they needed to go to city codes uh under transport or excuse me government organization 2-2-1 um that describes our current role of transportation and if there's any updates there it might be relevant so um I just that level and then to the applicants um just sort of similarly I'd ask you to be partners in an effort to try to create the biggest and the best um TDM plan that that Boulder seen in order to um really help this to meet its full potential with um creating a walkable potential experience that's it thank you thanks tryan uh well I'll go and

[201:01] I'll just mostly build on the comments of my colleagues uh so Lauren you're getting a full sweep tonight I think everything you said was right on Target and I only just a slight bit more so I won't repeat it uh but just one other thing I just the importance of the multimodal connections to the west and making those is attractive and inviting as possible and Bill I think you addressed that well in your your presentation which is that's critical and that balance of commercial and non-commercial space you know I hear about how you wanted more in Boulder Junction and at the same time we've had empty um spaces in Boulder Junction commercial areas in certain circumstances so I appreciate you going to the larger amount um in this revision and certainly we hear from the the nearby Neighbors about how they would appreciate that um it's just a striking the right balance there um that and the largest amount that that is you know fillable I guess which is bit of an art rather than a science but that that would be the sweet spot that that we would be looking for and agree with what

[202:00] people have said about the the phasing to preserve as many services um as possible to the area for as long as possible with the shortest gaps um so I think I think think you're right on target with all of those different things I think you've got um project with a lot of potential and then you know with some of these changes I think you're right there and just the last thing I'll mention in my hotline about the callup when I was out of town I mentioned the interest in Saving the Dark Horse it seems like the approach that you're taking is pretty much getting there you know in terms of keeping the existing building open for as long as possible and then putting it somewhere else for a little while and then I know it was just a preliminary uh elevation but it looked like kind of fun potentially there could be a funky interesting you know phase two Act Two for the dark course and so uh would be interested in at the time of s review with a specific plan that's in the development agreement about exactly how that's happening that's that's what I got um thanks uh for the discussion and so before uh we turn to the applicant to

[203:00] just check to make sure they've gotten what they've needed I'm going to come to the hotel I'm just going to see if maybe we're completely all over the map on this um but I'm just going to start by saying I I think we could use more housing and more neighborhood serving commercial rather than a hotel so I'm going to put that out there and if people want to raise their hand and we can debate that's fine or I could just call for a vote and if we could go from there um Nicole yeah I just feel like I don't quite have enough information to answer those question right at this moment um in particular I'd be really interested in hearing from the boulder Hotel Mel Association um I we we had a pre presentation last fall where they were just kind of giving us an overview of where they they were at um and it it seemed like they're I don't know that even even with the two new hotels coming at and there was still a sense that it maybe wasn't quite enough to meet the need um we were still seeing really high price toota anyway I would just be really interested in having some more information I can certainly provide a would love a hotel

[204:01] don't want a hotel and a need more information to thank you y Mark yeah if if the developer can provide more neighborhood serving retail I could live with the hotel if not I'd like to use that square footage um for neighborhood uh serving retail um I just think there's a real shortage of it uh in this in the project so far so uh if they want to keep the hotel I'm okay if they're addressing the other shortage of neighborhood serving retail if not I'd like to take the hotel out and convert that into neighborhood serving retail thanks there so maybe I can just throw out the we can take a vote on who really wants a hotel who would rather not see a hotel and who needs more information and won't so I'll give those three options so we'll start who would really like to see a hotel okay I'm not getting any tiers for

[205:00] really want it who would rather not see a hotel I got five and who would like to get more information and I got I got four Mark kind of went into both camps okay so there there's your uh Direction Bill and Andy that there's some mixed opinions but nobody feels like it is a definitively critical thing to have in the project um okay rather than I mean you all are smart guys so rather than do my own summary you've heard all of our comments do you have any clarifying questions or is there anything more that that you need from us um I I'll start Andy if you have anything else to add please do so um normally we do have clarifying questions you've all been very very clear with your direction so that's appreciated I think that uh as we expected you've brought up issues that maybe we hadn't fully considered and that's awesome because it'll really help craft the project you will not see this submitted for site review in a month or two we um have allotted quite a bit of

[206:00] time because there's a lot to do and there's a lot to consider I think additionally you've challenged us to create really high quality results on a number of fronts from architecture to transportation to safety to um neighborhood commercial and and uh public space so we hear you uh I don't have a solution yet I won't for some months U we're perfectly happy to go to dab during that design process before we submit for site review so we'll work with staff to figure out how to do that tab also um but thank you I think the the feedback was extremely pointed and helpful and it's it's actionable and that's really appreciated Andy anything on your end I feel very similar I I kind of I go with Lauren plus what everybody added I I thought it was very good very good comment um things that we can act on and that will'll take into account and similar to Bill I think going to dab and tab beforehand will really help us um create a better cemental when we for cement so I think that's all really good

[207:01] feedback thank you okay excellent well before we wrap up here we do need formal Direction on referrals to boards so if um that put interest in referring to dab and to Tab and and TAA you mentioned EAB as well so I would just ask for council members to make one motion at a time about referral to those boards I move I move that we refer this item to the transportation Advisory Board I second okay we got a motion in a second this is a show of hands I believe so all in favor raise your hand we got I think that looks unanimous um I will motion that we um move send this to design Advisory Board second all in favor raise your hand all right I got a unanimous here as

[208:02] well and then did someone want to make a motion about EAB as well yes I'll go ahead and do that then I'll make a moot I'll make a motion for the environmental Advisory Board um again waste recycling energy green buildings that's their expertise I'll second that all right and I'll just say um before I I call for the raise of hands I don't think we've ever referred a project to EAB this Tia it's an intriguing concept I'll be supporting it um but just uh I think it'll be really interesting to hear the feedback that they have uh about environmental issues as it pertains to this project so will be an interesting experiment TAA thanks for bringing up if we do vote in favor uh all in favor of the motion I got like six or seven but a majority so and with that I think that concludes

[209:01] this agenda item uh thanks to the applicant for the conversation and we'll look forward to seeing what you come up with next thanks to C for the time in patience you're very welcome all right that brings to a close our public hearing um and let's see Teresa we need to do a time check right 26 we have it pegged for 90 minutes but I could challenge us to do this in 45 to 60 uh if we're efficient about this um so are people um comfortable continuing with our final agenda item I'm going to need a five minute break or I'll just take one by myself yeah I would also like a break but given that we have with a break are people okay with continuing okay didn't see anybody throwing rotten fruit at the screen so uh let's take a a five minute break five minutes so be back at 9:32

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[215:19] I'm waiting for the clock to strike 9:32 there we go all right we everybody's back feeling refreshed I hope and uh if at least if we can go to our matters item please yes sir thank you our matters item is Matters from the city manager is number six on tonight's agenda and 6A is the progress update on the implementation of the East Boulder sub community plan related to the zoning update very good and n as I send it over to you I'll just encourage our amazing planning staff to be concise in our presentations uh and Council to be

[216:00] concise in our questions so that we're not here until midnight thanks so much thank you so much and I'm going to go straight to Kathleen thank you okay great hi everybody we're going to talk about zoning I hope you stretched I will share my screen let's see let me [Music] know screen to share can you all see the presentation awesome okay well great uh nice to be with you all again tonight my name is Kathleen King I'm a principal planner in the comprehensive Planning Group I'm looking forward to sharing an update with the Council on implementation of the East Boulder sub community plan I'm joined tonight by Leslie over Holter from the kod metrics consultant team who's available to answer any questions Council might have tonight and we will get

[217:02] started so I have a relatively quick presentation I'll try to um keep a Quick Clip through it we've got some time for clarifying questions and then we'll be asking Council to provide feedback on the key questions that we've prepared for the project um this is one of a couple discussions that we'll have with Council we'll be back in a few months with um some more information as well so you can keep that in mind so as we get started I like to just reorient everyone to where we are in the city the East Boulder subc Community is one of 10 in the city and it covers the area north of arapo and generally east of Foothills Parkway the subcommunity planning process took place over a three-year period and the plan sets a vision for the future of East Boulder identifying areas of change where community members have expressed a desire to see evolution in mostly industrial and office focused

[218:00] areas to more mixed juuse neighborhoods where people could live and work be well connected by a variety of Mobility options and have access to Recreation and outdoor spaces the plan includes recommendations for land use and transportation changes as well as a robust set of policies programs and potential capital projects that community members put forward throughout the process subc Community planning falls into the collaborate space of the engagement spectrum and the project was completed with the participation of over 1,600 community members um we started in 2019 and this was one of the first city projects to incorporate Community connectors into the engagement and planning processes the recommendations and final plan also saw many touch points with City boards and Council throughout the process so after completing the East Boulder subcommunity plan in 2022 there was a series of key implementation steps required in order to set the area up for

[219:01] the next phase of implementation and change the plan was adopted by both city council and the planning board who also approved changes to the comprehensive plans land use map which guides future land use and Zoning decisions in the city the plan connections were approved by the transportation Advisory Board and city council for an update to the transportation master plan map and now we're working through one of the final stages on the city Side at least to set up the administrative end of evolution for the area the implementation of the East Boulder subc Community Plan is in some ways very different from other recent planning efforts s such as Alpine balam or Boulder Junction where the city was the majority landowner in East Boulder properties in areas of change are all privately owned so our implementation strategy is dependent on being able to regulate for the outcomes expressed in the plan so in this project we're looking at two major

[220:01] components the first is zoning and that's um what our discussion will be focused on tonight and then the second component is form base code so we met with Council last fall to take a look at form-based code outcomes and discuss the review process both planning board and city council gave us um really helpful feedback and the project team is working through drafting an update to the form based code that will be available for the public to review this spring but just for um context a reminder that the form-based code guides Redevelopment by establishing standards for building form and Design and providing guidance for the design of public spaces between those buildings in Boulder the form base code acts as an overlay and we still use the underlying zoning districts to determine allowed uses so while we're talking about zoning districts tonight the focus is really on those allowed uses all of the other

[221:01] characteristics of form bulk and intensity that are built into our code will be guided by the form based code overlay for the area so this is a current um zoning map for East Boulder and I want to be clear that um while we're anticip that we are not anticipating a comprehensive rezoning as an outcome of the project so that means um the city is not leading a rezoning of properties in the areas of change but rather we're creating guidance for property owners who may consider Redevelopment in line with the sub community plan by providing prev vetted zoning options for both the property owner um but also staff planning board and Council as they play roles in development review so again this kind of gets back to that difference between implementing this project versus something like um Boulder Junction so included in the sub community plan is some pretty specific

[222:01] guidance on the types of uses that community members wanted to see in these different East Boulder neighborhoods as they evolve and we work with the community to Define what these places should look and feel like this is documented in the plan through description and performance standards for what we call um Place types the project team used those Place types and looked for matches just based on allowed use across our 43 different zoning districts despite having so many different zones we still didn't have any perfect matches between what's described in the plan and what's allowed in our zones both but we have some zones that are very close so we're proposing a few modifications to these zones for your consideration and feedback tonight for the Innovation to Neighborhood to and Main Street Live workplace types the zone that presents the best match for uses Allowed by W is

[223:02] mu4 and allowing the use by W is a really um important component to the implementation we're really trying to streamline the review process for these areas that may be covered by the form base code so we're working to allow uses described by the plan as by right to avoid an additional process of going through use review and a form-based code review in order to better align mu4 with the planned uses in the area we would need to modify the use table to allow the categories of Brewery Distillery and Winery which is currently prohibited and small Fe theater or rehearsal space which today requires use review in mu4 the Parkside residential category matches pretty closely with mu2 and should work for that small area then the Innovation to non-residential place type matches with the IG Zone but we're recommending some modifications to allow

[224:00] breweries distilleries and wineries as uses with restaurants and to allow brew pubs and taverns to add to the dining and entertainment mix in this area the destination workplace um Place type could really be either IG or IMS IMS is a closer match based on allowed uses but we would want to discuss expanding allowed office floor area in this Zone and I'll speak more to that in a little bit so when we're um you know considering these types of modifications we want to understand how they might impact other areas of the city that already have this Zone applied so first we can look at um the mu4 zones so mu4 was a newer Zone District created actually in step with the form base code for Boulder Junction and has since also been applied to Alpine balsom but it currently doesn't allow breweries distilleries wineries by R and has a use

[225:02] review for small theater rehearsal space I think um historically the brewery category was really IND Ral they have large equipment can sometimes have canning bottling operations Associated and then certainly Trucking for moving supplies and product but locally we've seen these businesses evolve to include tasting rooms which have become in both East Boulder as well as other areas of the city really valuable social places where people meet gather and celebrate together so as we think about how an mu4 Zone which we've seen typically include pretty dense res residential component we believe this use would be complimentary and fit in with these zones similar with this um small theater and rehearsal spaces we believe this type of use would be complimentary to the Zone providing social and entertainment opportunities but it's also a use that can be activated throughout the day and night creating more vibrant spaces throughout different

[226:02] hours it too has some considerations for loading unloading things like set materials um we'd want to think carefully about parking needs and pick up drop off zones but these are things that will be managed both by the form base code and by the city's curbside Management program The mu4 Zone at Alpine balam is pretty restricted on um planned uses there so it's unlikely to be significantly impacted by these changes in the near term for impacts to area zoned IG these are mostly focused in East Boulder the Boulder Junction Phase 2 area and along the Foothills Corridor north of arapo the proposed modifications would expand dining and entertainment options in these neighborhoods which the team considers complimentary to the existing and planned uses which today are mostly work focused um but may experience some transitions to include residential in

[227:00] the future the other area that would be impacted by this change are the industrial zones in Gun Barrel and again we believe these modifications would serve as complimentary to existing imp planned uses in that area and then another item for consideration is whether to expand the allowed byright space for office in the IMs zones so the IMs zone is a closer match based on use to the destination workplace and that's because it would allow for residential uses by right the alternative is to use the IG zone for this this place type which does not allow residential byright but requires a use review now because um the adopted subc commmunity plan describes residential as an allowed use in the area it would meet the criteria for approval of the use however as I mentioned earlier the project is really working the Streamline

[228:00] process for redevelopment particularly for residential uses so by allowing residential by in the areas defined by the place types m in the sub community plan we can at least um eliminate that barrier the destination workplace Place type also supports and anticipates office spas and R&D use to accommodate existing and future businesses however the IMs Zone currently limits office used to 5,000 square ft this modification proposes to expand that allowed use to 50,000 squ ft for a more realistic footprint of office in this area area today office use in the IG zones are 50,000 ft floor are floor area by right the potentially impacted areas outside of East Boulder would be in North Boulder where there's a handful of parcels um west of Broadway north of Rosewood Avenue and then in the Ste

[229:00] yards area of Boulder Junction um which I'll mention also has a form base code applied to that di as well the destination workplace Place type covers area in dark blue so it's about 25 Parcels in flat iron Business Park and a couple of parcels in the Valmont Park East area of change the description for this area's Future Vision is that it will offer industrial and office space with indoor outdoor workspaces excellent connections to a variety of Mobility options and local destinations for retail dining and entertainment Additionally the place type allows for flexibility of supporting residential infill focusing on allowed uses and trying to streamline process we have two options for identifying an equivalent zone for these areas the first is that properties in the destination workplace Place type

[230:00] could remain IG and this would continue to allow for the office and R&D uses that are supported by the subc community plan but for residential infill it would require a use review process and I mentioned earlier because the subc community plan describes support for residential uses a project would meet the criteria but it's just an additional process that the applicant would have to go through the IMs Zone allows residential by right so we could avoid the additional process however the limitations on office and R&D space in the IMs zone are not aligned with the sub Community plans description the preferred option described in the memo is to use IMs as the equivalent Zone but modify the zone to allow a similar office footprint to what is currently allowed in IG today planning board expressed opposition to this concept um because they had concerns about allowing additional office space tonight we're

[231:02] looking for council's feedback on which of these options um you'd prefer to move forward with so here is a summary of the full list of equivalent zones and we're asking council tonight to provide feedback on whether these zones based on allowed uses are appropriate matches for the place types in the plan and then based on your feedback the project team will be working on a process um recommendation for property owners interested in rezoning in line with the plan and the future form based code updates um this image just takes that table and shows how it um Maps um and you should have received through hotline a similar diagram earlier today um just because I have the the map up I just want to reiterate no required

[232:01] rezoning as part of the um implementation of this project it's it's a reference tool and then um this is a summary of those proposed use table revisions which attempt to minimize impacts to other areas with these designated zones but our changes that the team felt would be essential to helping to realize the plan through a streamlined process so um as I mentioned we're here to collect your feedback tonight we're going to continue to work on this resoning strategy for the area and then you can expect to see the team return in the spring with those updates to the form based code and some initial Community feedback on proposed changes and hopefully that was quick but not too quick we've got some questions for your consideration um Leslie and I are both

[233:00] here and available to respond to questions so I can keep the slide up or take it down um why don't you take it down Kathleen if you don't mind for now let's get through questions and then we can address them Alicia someone put it in the chat too so questions for staff I've got Tara Kathleen I'm assuming that you read some of the emails that came from Holland in Hart and others yes can you give us your thoughts on that sure um I think the email that we got from Holland and Har yesterday yesterday or this morning um reiterated that um uh they're not interested in a comprehensive rezoning so that's not something that we're being that we're discussing um and I think in general um they described that their

[234:03] clients in the flat iron Business Park area want to continue to be able to um do business in the office and R&D uses so that's consistent with what is included in the subcommunity plan right do do you mind if I pop in here that that's helpful Kathleen I actually spoke to a representative um today and also heard a concern about being required to do Residential in the areas that are currently zoned IG and we are not contemplating requiring residential in those areas that was included um in the council m Mo as something that came up at planning board planning board had asked staff to um look at ways to require residential um so that was something that was discussed at that meeting as well um well I've got a couple ter was that everything well that's so is that

[235:01] off the table then since I mean unless we tonight give them different direction well okay good because I think we should be consistent with our business um businesses and say do what we said we would do and keep it that way that's just me okay I got Taisha Lauren R there we go sorry thank you so much the presentation was fantastic I really love the data visualization in the beginning um I just had a couple of questions one one um was around the work space and office space and you know I think I'm just wondering and curious about the opportunities had been considered for like being intentional around art spaces um so theater and dance you mentioned in one slide around small theater and but then there was no

[236:00] other mention of the Arts more intentionally so I think you know we should be intentional about that so I just would love to hear more um about that if that was in consideration um and then just in general there was a adults live here Vibe and so it didn't you know and the things that um there was a lot of alcohol centered things and so I just wanted to honor that not everybody drinks alcohol y um and we also love spaces to bring and I think of families and yeah they do it but I think they would also love to have Alternatives and a variety of options so again wanted to make sure that that was in there um and then I was curious if the visitors centers Bureau or board had been engaged in this work um as I'm new to that board just curious because again they have a lot of the restaurants and you know it's just a great crosssection of businesses and um can offer a really interesting perspective as it relates to um some of

[237:01] the development um but in general and then always just how we can continue to elevate around accessibility um and just you know again really going above um what the Colorado and federal requirements would always be wonderful for me thank you so much and I also love the engagement slide so thank you um I'm happy to respond to some of those if if you want me to yeah what's that now I see Erin talking but you're muted uh Kathleen I spoke to soon if you can just respond to to those um so for the art spaces um yes um a lot of the types of maker spaces and art uh supported spaces are allowed uses

[238:00] in those industrial categories so we're good there and then also just for council's awareness as we're working on the form BAS code updates um in the next couple of weeks we're doing Outreach to local businesses to find out what light industrial and um makers and artists need in their physical space so that we can try to incorporate that into some of the um requirements of the form based code um on the adults live here um alcohol centered Vibe I think those are just kind of the recommended modific ations but a lot of the other kind of family supportive uses are allowed in these zones so um we didn't need additional modifications for those um the um visitors board we've certainly worked with the chamber throughout um the subc community plan as

[239:01] well as um this implementation project um and then we have Focus groups with some of the local businesses to find out more about um their interests and needs in Redevelopment of the area but also their physical needs for their space so that's um um how we've been working and our continuing to work with those folks and then um questions about um accessibility and Universal Design those will be considerations that we can look at when we put together um um um some of the other form based code um pieces but I don't know Leslie if you had more thoughts about that particular item um before you go on I just wanted to clarify though um that I was talking about um all of that is fun and I really appreciate that and again I just you always like to see that full picture so I I apologize for not realizing that this is the modification component but I

[240:01] did want to go back to um oh darn I forgot what my train of thought was darn hopefully I remember visitors bureau not I think it was yeah yeah the chamber is not the same thing so these are two separate things and that's what I was saying the visitors bureau has a more um diverse cross-section um and and as well as like the downtown Boulder partnership which I know is a different area but still it's a lot of that same kind of thinking that would help like you know hindsight 2020 what would they like to see all right thank you right very good thanks for all that um we got Lauren and Ryan thank you for the presentation are the Kathleen are the those Graphics yours did you make them yes yes you always have such beautiful slides um let's see can I

[241:01] uh so in the memo it talked about the focus group sessions and kind of there were two bullet points there about an interest inability to create more and wider variety of housing options in East Boulder and concerns for affordability of commercial space and subc communities ability to support small businesses in the face of Redevelopment um at what phase in this process are we going to be trying to address those issues because it doesn't feel like these zoning changes necessarily um addressing that at this moment so um I'll talk to the program component and then um I might have Leslie speak to how we're trying to format the space to support small businesses um so for the um affordability of space we are working

[242:01] with Community Vitality on the affordable commercial program and trying to look for ways that that might be piloted in East Boulder or implemented in East Boulder um we've talked about things like a general improvement district at 55th in Arapaho is that one of the mechanisms that we could use to try to address some of those issues so on the um programming side there's a lot of cross collaboration with partners and Community Vitality um that's ongoing but then Leslie I I'll turn to you to speak to the kind of physical component piece sorry um I I also do think I'm not sure that it was apparent and maybe Council knows this already but that we're only talking about portions of East Boulder um with the form based code and with the uses um just the areas of

[243:01] change specific areas of change um within those areas of change where the form base code will be applied um we're looking at part part of what uh staff is is working on over the next week um with the survey is to find out what are the components of those spaces what are the sizes of the spaces that make for good um incubator spaces or small business spaces what are the heights that they need what are the different components such as uh garage doors and loading um what kind of access and visibility do they need to to survive and so we're trying to figure out how we can fold that into the form based code um one other uh part that we're looking at and this is with uh consultation with lots of Staff members that um much like we have done with the form based code in in um other locations where we're requiring retail space we're also looking at

[244:01] spaces where we're requiring um those kinds of um industrial maker small business business spaces as well um so that we can try to kind of create um you know new spaces that will be to some degree replacement spaces for those that are being removed thank you for that um I guess with thinking about embodied carbon and things like and like also just knowing that inherently the existing space is going to most likely be cheaper than new built space is there any thought about ways that we can um incentivize keeping any amount of existing space while still allowing for additional development I think that to some degree that's where it comes in that we're only

[245:00] focusing on these areas of change where we're trying to introduce and this is really more PL stuff I think Kathleen to interrupt me um you know at at uh 55th in Arapaho where we're incorporating this sort of to and we know that it's going to change there um we're trying to make up as much space as we can um but that the majority of East Boulder is not going to be rezoned and there are these large areas of those kinds of existing affordable spaces um that will be retained that that zoning is not changing and we're not applying um foreign base codes so that with the idea a that those would be um you know sort of left alone that were only strategically affecting the areas um where we're intro proposing the introduction of residential um again I feel like I'm stepping on plan stuff Kathleen so no no I I think you nailed it that that was a big component of the

[246:00] community conversation when we were doing the sub community plan is really trying to balance areas of change with preservation of some of this older industrial space um so as Leslie mentioned there are significant portions of um East Boulder that will maintain their Community industrial land use designations and Industrial Service zoning things like that okay I got the impression when we were discussing that previously that we were going to try and still do some amount of kind of trying to retain existing buildings or existing tenants to some degree even within the areas of change um but I I get that this isn't exactly the spot to do that um uh in terms of the IG and IMS um why would we why do you recommend us

[247:03] allowing the the additional larger square footage by right of office space in IMs as opposed to allowing residential by right and IG um so I could speak first and then Leslie if you want to jump in um one of the things that I think the community discussed a lot and and certainly planning board and Council discussed a lot when we looked at those residential in industrial um zoning changes uh a couple years ago is setting up um ways that we could preserve some of these industrial areas and one of the things that we know is um in communities all over once there's a loss of industrial land to residential or to mixed use development it's very hard to get it back and so um because IG is applied to

[248:05] uh a few other places outside of Boulder and Gun Barrel um along that Foothills Corridor like I mentioned we don't want to just kind of make that big sweeping change because it impacts so many other areas of the city um and then Leslie I don't know if you have anything to add just just a little bit in that um IMS is sort of written um as a mixed use industrial Zone um and so it doesn't allow some of the um out outdoor storage um and some of the Industrial Service businesses that might not mesh as well with residential uses so introducing residential by right um in IG would you know conflict with those so IMS sort of matches a little bit better with that kind of mix um the key was that IMS doesn't allow as as has already

[249:02] been mentioned uh a larger office uses um that you know there's not a lot of market for necessarily these days but there is in East Boulder right now so we felt like that that would be an okay introduction into IMS and wouldn't necessarily affect other locations as much thank you for that that's it for my questions go Ryan do you mind if I ask a follow up before I go to you so just on that thank you on that question about the those Todo zones um the the IMs the argument for IMS makes sense to me and in that destination workplace um that larger floor plate of office also makes sense to me given the current characteristics and how it might evolve but I have some concerns about the existing IMS the um some of it's in North Boulder in an area that will probably redevelop at one point and probably want some more fin finer grain mix of uses than a 50,000 foot office

[250:00] space and then also in in Boulder Junction I think there's one major parcel that still hasn't been developed along Goose Creek in that IMS z uh which also probably doesn't just want to be a large office building so I hate to do overlays or different things in different parts of the city but I'm just did you consider that because it feels like those two other areas are really quite different from this destination workplace area yes that's that's a that's a possibility that we could apply a geographic limit to that um that office it just makes it just makes the uses a little bit Messier um in the zoning District but that is a possibility okay thanks J we'll come back to it in comments uh go ahead Ry oh Lauren did you want to chime back in on that you're muted kind of just really quickly what about I mean instead of an overlay like having it be off like having the office space over something

[251:00] be a use review for the larger office space wouldn't that allow the exist office space to continue but not necessarily allow an expansion of it um that's that's what it is right now it is allowed to the five to the 50,000 through use review no no no not an IMS I'm sorry I got confused it's late it's later for me than you so I think we can Lear why don't we come back to it dur discussion that's right uh Ryan you want to go ahead thank you Kathleen for a very informative and clear presentation I just have one question is it possible to estimate the housing capacity and the parking capacity even if in ranges at this point is it possible to estimate the housing capacity and the parking capacity yeah some estimate of a number

[252:00] of housing units versus number of um parking spaces ranges have parkings in there how is definitely the um capacity for units under different scenarios is included in the sub community plan I don't think we did parking no parking's not in the subc commmunity plan but um if you wanted us to site test that um under these different zones we could do that I am curious It's not critical if it would be a big project at point but soon I'd be interested to understand possible okay thank you yep good um thanks Shan I got two more questions for you one was Kathleen we talked about this offline a couple days ago just in terms of the where the form based code is going to apply there was like a we're deciding that later but there was a preliminary map in our packet and it

[253:01] didn't include that destination workplace section and just is that which concerned me because IMS is a very low allowed FL area ratio of6 if we didn't have the overlay of the form based code it would really minimize what you could do out there so have you thought more about how we might address that and maybe included in the form based code or take a different approach um so we have gone back and forth I think as a group on whether to apply form based code to that area or not and the reason being that the it the business park doesn't have great bones uh upon which to build the form based code reg regulations like um a grided street pattern is really helpful so that we can Define building frontages um and it just that we tried you know 20 different ways during the sub Community planning process to build

[254:01] that into that area and there's just too many barriers with um ditches and creeks and a variety of challenges um but you know I think the team is really open to council's interest or feedback on that conversation and um Leslie I don't know if you want to color any commentary on on the debate we've been having back and forth about that area yeah I think what what we've talked about is that maybe portions of it might be appropriate um but I I hesitate to introduce a new building form that would meet what has been happening in the flat iron Business Park um to date and which will likely continue um to be built and and I think is the intent um of the area um I mean we can certainly do it I you can write it for anything but you know

[255:01] just the fact that we wouldn't have sort of um non-primary frontages because pretty much everything is a primary front edge you know there's just one streight front Ed for every lot um because there aren't blocks there aren't rectilinear blocks it's very curvy and um you know there aren't there isn't rear access and you know so it just becomes the challenges yes that makes sense but kind of separate question so we're talking about we're not rezoning unless people apply the does the form based code only go along with the rezonings right so then it wouldn't be about applying to the existing form but it about the future desired form well I still get that there are challenges with the things you're talking about but it's not like we try to accommodate the existing form of the area but that's helpful I'll come back later in comments Ryan did you have another one oh I I no you're done okay I add one

[256:00] more though um we had uh there was an email in our packet from planning board member Kurt nordback about some potential uh use changes um and one aspect of that that struck me in particular was that apparently mu4 currently has some quite Auto oriented uses that are allowed like for example a fuel station and you know seems like mu4 is not a great place for a gas station did you think about advancing some of his recommendations uh Leslie did you want to speak to that sure um we we did talk we actually talked about that a couple of times I'm not quite sure why um those uses are are in the mu4 um but uh one of the things that we're looking at now is whether or not we can just manage those within the building type um because we already will be sort of managing where the different uses can occur in different stories um and so we could put potentially just

[257:00] prohibit some of those uses in the different building types um I think that's something that uh I've actually been working on this week um and so we'll be talking with staff about that um I I don't know why me4 has some uses in it that um wouldn't even have applied to the locations where it was applied but um staff must have had some reason for including those at the time we'll comment on that later as well okay thanks for all that uh that's all my questions I'm not seeing any other raised hands so um if we could move to discussion um it's good to be able to see each other's faces so maybe we can just go off the questions in the chat I figured we could take them one at a time and maybe we can try to be pretty quick in our discussion about it so the number one is does city council find the identified equivalent zones adequately implement the vision of the East Boulder subc Community Plan I guess I might just ask does anybody have any concerns or are we generally good with what's

[258:04] proposed okay I'm not raise your hand if you dispute oh Lauren wants to dispute well I just I do have the little bit of concern over the IG Zone and I'm not 100% all in on making the larger office spaces be a conditional use to require a use for or something like that but I would like maybe a little bit more thought put into that and why I convince me why we shouldn't do that right makes well our next one is about IG versus IMS we could address that a little bit more too sorry jump again don't worri um okay so so it

[259:01] sounds like we're generally okay with them subject to Lauren's comment uh number two does City Council have input on whether IG or IMS is the most effective equivalent zone for the destination workplace Place type benefit of IMS allowing residential by right um and I think your recommendation was IMS at the end of the day but you're want to to get feedback from us so are people generally okay with the IMs approach and and throw an additional comment if you'd like for Lauren Tera did you want to say something how'd you know I'm so tired I can't even find the raised hand button um can you remind me just because it's late and I can't seem to focus that well at this point um are we by doing by allowing residential by right or we did you say this was a reason why we might lose our industrial or were you talking about something else

[260:01] Kathleen um I actually think I could chime in on that I think question there was Lauren was asking could we just make residential use by right in every IG Zone across the entire city and that was where Kathleen said well we probably would take that approach because we might lose too much industrial okay good all right so that's that's fine okay very good Nicole did you have something no okay um so it sounds like we're generally okay with IMs I just want to piggy back Lauren I'll just before I go to you piggy back on what Lauren said um I do have that concern about the 50, 50 ,000 foot office plate in those other areas of the city so I if you all could just put you know think about that um because I I wouldn't want to see that that size of office space in the other parts of your city so when you come back to us with an ordinance if maybe you could solve that problem in one way or another you all are the experts there I I would love to see that are people okay with them thinking about that problem okay I'm seeing

[261:00] nodding any other comments on that item all right number three does city council support the proposed use table modifications just are we generally okay and feel free to add a comment but I'm seeing nodding heads and I'm just going to I'll call on myself and throw in um that uh I think it's worth thinking about maybe we're already changing some of the use categories maybe we uh remove one or two of those Auto oriented uses from from mu4 and and if you in your continued to discuss with planning board if a couple of those possible allowed additional uses seem to make um seem to be a great idea it's something I would consider for for the next phase as well I'll just throw that out there okay so seeing more nodding heads and raised fingers the thumbs thumbs um great well uh generally I

[262:00] think everybody's really happy with where this is going so really appreciate all of your incredibly hard work um Council any other any any other final thoughts before we let them go all right thank you okay thanks so much we'll see you guys again in a few months sounds great thanks again for a phenomenal job and Elicia are we done we are done sir woohooo all right any final thoughts before we finish out the meeting