March 16, 2023 — City Council Regular Meeting

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[5:05] [Music] thank you [Music] [Music] so blue Channel 8 is ready counselors I'm going to go ahead and gavel started for the March 16th 2023 meeting of the Boulder City Council so if we could do a roll call please Elisha yes sir and good evening everyone we'll start tonight with councilmember Benjamin present

[6:00] mayor Brockett president councilmember falkerts present friend here Joseph here spear president mayor Pro Tim Walling virtually present and council member weiner will be late mayor we have our Quorum with council member Yates I'm here thank throw you off tonight all getting ready to talk about being chopped liver but you got you got to and Sarah I hear that councilmember weiner has just joined the meeting okay Tara we just called roll would you like to say present present all right again mayor we have our Quorum fantastic thanks Elisha so I'd uh like to start by requesting a motion to amend the agenda to add item 3G which is a consideration of a motion to appoint council member weiner to the intergovernmental Affairs committee

[7:00] replacing council member friend due to her voluntary relinquishment of the seat and also to correct item 3F with the language that was sent out on hotline so second we have a motion in second all in favor raise your hands there we go it's unanimous the agenda is duly amended so uh Elise if we could start with item 1A please thank you sir tonight's item 1A under call to order roll call is the day of remembrance King Super shooting declaration which will be presented by mayor Brockett before I read the Declaration I'd just like to let folks know that the city of Boulder along with several local Partners will be holding a remembrance event to Mark the two years that have passed since the horrible atrocity of March 22nd 2021

[8:00] the community is all invited to join us in person or via live stream as we remember those who are no longer with us to offer support to one another and come together as a community this event will take place at E-Town Hall in downtown Boulder from 5 30 to 6 30 on March 22nd doors open at five for more information including how to RSVP visit https colon backslash backslash bouldercolorado.gov Boulder strong and I'm going to stand to read the Declaration the Declaration of the boulder day of remembrance March 22nd March 22nd 2021 is a date that will be forever seared in the collective memory of our community

[9:00] on that Monday afternoon a grievous atrocity was committed that will Mark each of us for the rest of our lives but none more so than the families and friends of the 10 people taken from us suddenly and violently people going about their daily lives doing their jobs feeding their families protecting one another our entire Community joins those families and friends in saying the names of our neighbors taken from us before their time Denny strong Devin stinicich I olds trilona barkoviak Suzanne fountain Terry Liker Kevin Mahoney Lynn Murray Jody Waters officer Eric Talley it has been said that there are three deaths the first is when the body ceases to function the second is when the body is

[10:00] returned to the Earth and the third is that moment sometime in the future when the person's name is spoken for the last time let us never allow this third death of our ten Fallen Neighbors let us take the time to speak their names celebrate their lives mourn their passing as long as we remember them they will never truly die and so as our modest and humble gesture the city council of the city of Boulder declares that every year in perpetuity March 22nd shall be designated the boulder day of remembrance on that day every year our community will pause and remember the 10 people who departed on that day every year we will celebrate their lives on that day every year we will say their names out loud so that in our hearts they will live on thank you

[11:15] so we will now uh move to open comment unless anyone else has any further thoughts seeing none uh Ryan if you could please go over the public participation guidelines thank you mayor my name is Ryan Hansen I start with people of Boulder as Community engagement manager and as the slides are coming up I want to dive into a bit about public participation at City Council meetings we are grateful that you are here this evening and I want to share a vision that we've co-created with Community for a productive meaningful and inclusive

[12:00] Civic conversations this Vision supports physical and emotional safety for community members staff and Council as well as democracy for people of all ages identities lived experiences and political perspectives there's more information on our website and on the next slide please we'll look at a few examples of these rules of decorum um these will all be upheld during this meeting first at all our marks and testimony will be limited to matters related to City business the no participant shall make threats or use other forms of intimidation against any person obscenity racial epiphats and other speech and behavior that disrupture is why it's impedes the ability to conduct this meeting is prohibited my basements are required to sign up to speak using the name that are commonly known by and folks um must display their full name before being allowed to speak online here we

[13:00] have audio testimony only at this time and in person please refrain from expressing support or disagreement verbally or with Applause with the exception of declarations please encourage to use the American Sign Language Applause or jazz hands thank you and we're ready to move it up and comment thank you for that Ryan appreciate it okay we have eight people speaking in person and then five virtually each of you will have two minutes to speak our first three speakers in person are Sarah Mitten Kyle Walker and Michelle Rodriguez hi I'm Sarah Mitten and I have lived on the hill since 1975. I appreciate the new helpful in our ordinances for Behavior control but that is not enough I have the lived experience to really

[14:01] evaluate occupancy on the hill we need to achieve Boulder's goals yet retain balance in the neighborhood most of us support the desire for higher density in some areas of Boulder the overlay concept needs to be reconsidered specifically on the hill for the unique and counter-intuitive rate formula used between the investors and the wealthy undergraduates given the time limit I'll send you examples by email you might find parts especially about racial inequity troubling as did I affordable homes for diverse residents that we all want to attract again were here and then were lost to investors in recent decades they have been occupied by Boulder's workers artists teachers scientists tonight I just want to address the issues of affordability and inclusion this endless stream of students are at CU for the perceived rite of passage of living on the hill as much as for the educational experience no matter how high you raise the occupancy level they have family resources who will pay

[15:01] whatever the investors charge for the property based on the legal occupancy priced per maximum students not bedrooms the investors are only interested in the maximum profit the price they will charge will be determined by the occupancy number and the already predetermined rent per student to live as they are accustomed some of these are good neighbors and their families have great financial resources the most diverse residents on the hill in both resources and ethnicity are the local families you will reward the investors who are making the ever increasing students on the hill whiter and wealthier with every added tenant all you will do is increase this inequity this will not help others across Boulder please listen to those of us who live it every day thank you thank you Sarah Kyle Walker Michelle Rodriguez and Rumi natanzi

[16:01] hello my name is Kyle um let's start here oh my goodness sweet we'll let you start over thanks for keeping our ears in mind here all right I could have swear I put it on mute here we go all right so in the last three of my seven years in Boulder I've been a victim to menacing burglary two situations of justifiable physical self-defense against previously convicted violent felons and countless instances of trespassing on my property that didn't result in Theft only because I keep everything locked up um one of the things I've noticed uh living downtown in Boulder is an influx in the 10 cities and things like that that have popped up and my issue here today is not with the unhoused residents who are 100 members of our community and largely part of the reason that I moved here because I noticed that in large in part you could move here and like live out of a car or live out of a tent until

[17:01] you got on your feet or if you weren't bothering anybody for as long as you wanted and it wasn't an issue and that was one of the things that appealed to me about this place and back then about you know five to seven years ago the boulder homeless shelter was a place where you could go and you could eat breakfast and it was calm it was safe there were resources it's another one of the things that I loved about this place is that there were ample resources for anybody who needed them and in the last three years one of the things that I've been paying attention to is that you know the violence has increased the mandalism's increased um there's just been you know that a tent caught on fire this morning I listened to that on the the uh the scanner things like that I mean just this this really needless amount of uh crime has gone up and it's not just putting the community from the students to the people who've lived here a long time to the people are just getting here in danger but it's putting the people who are truly helpless and who truly need resources and things like that in

[18:00] in danger and it's putting the people who you know it's like the single mother who you know is is out there with their child or the the homeless veteran who's addicted to something and wants to get off of it and needs you know a hand up in society and can't get it because there's people who you know this County needs to pay Servpro a quarter of a million dollars or however much a year oh goodness uh yeah I'm over my time but I think you get the point and I care about this place tremendously and uh if anyone wants to email me I'll email you guys and see if y'all want to touch base thanks Kyle now I'm Michelle Rodriguez natanzi and Susan Adams mayor bracket can I just ask Kyle can you send us an email so we could respond if we want because [Music] hi guys um no need for introductions I I thought I had it all figured out what I was going to use my two minutes for today and uh right before coming I checked my mail and come across this um

[19:02] this order from the federal judge regarding my federal case asking me to be present on uh four six in the federal court in Denver I know you know I've been in here trying to discuss my case and advocate for myself I am my own attorney I notice it's got a long list of uh higher ups and stuff it's been sent to I really hope that for the first time in in a long time I had something planned on this week I've been accepted and and well applied for and been accepted to be part of the peer support program through Mental Health Partners for Victor King he's throwing that with some funding we got through the opioid program and I bought me a new tablet and I'm trying to engage in that and I was really excited about it and now they they want to see me on that one day it's

[20:01] like one week you know I also got approved this week to be able to start um donating blood again because when you're a PTSD Survivor they limit you from being able to engage in that without a doctor's authorization for some reason um I want you guys to know about the information that I submitted to you that I never in fact was under arrest that night I never did end up in jail I wasn't under any controlled substances I have a hard time keeping my face up and and keep an eye contact which is something I really prided myself in before is being able to look people in the face a lot of that is the result of the Haldol they sedated me with that night I've been deemed permanently disabled through Social Security and I'm on that I really need to be able to talk with the city before this date if there's any way time is up but thank you Michelle

[21:00] and feel free to follow up with an email with more more thoughts thank you now Rumi natanzi Susan Adams and Evan rabbits hi there thank you so much for um having me tonight my name is Rumi natanzi I'm an undergraduate student at the University of Colorado Boulder um and as an iranian-american I think it's very important to discuss what's happening in Iran and and open up um display or use this platform to discuss the atrocities that are happening in the current Revolution so um there's a woman-led revolution for human rights and secular democracy in Iran um so far 22 000 people probably more have been detained hundreds killed including children and while in prison people are subject to immense brutalities torture rape starvation Etc school girls are being poisoned for the simple right to seek an education their

[22:03] bravery's unmatched and every day I examine the Privileges I have due to my positionality and I think this the implications of this revolution are not relegated to Iranian Society or the greater region of the Middle East but impact the freedoms of women and people all over the globe who are experiencing oppressive Theocratic regimes in equally oppressive heteropatriarchal dogmas the reason I'm here today is because on April 7th we're hosting Dr Sharina body at CU Boulder Dr Sharina abadi was the first female judge in Iran she's also an acclaimed human rights lawyer who's fought for the rights of women and children in Iran and is very I highly recommend you look her up and read a bit more about the cases in which she's fought for a movie was made about her life that will be shown and then afterwards there will be a quick q a or not quick I don't know how long it'll be q a about her life

[23:01] um and it it will be very informative and I highly recommend all of you come if you'd like to go to that link or if you look up Sharina body CU Boulder it is a register only event so um please register while you have the chance thank you so much for your time I appreciate it thank you Remy now we have Susan Adams and then Evan ravitz and Beverly Williams hi I'm Susan Adams hello council members um I'm gonna have to read from here I live and work in the city of Boulder and I'm a board member of the Boulder Community Rowing and it's Juniors program Colorado Junior crew I also act as the liaison between the non-motorized rowing user groups and the boulder Reservoir staff this year the boulder Reservoir hourly rental fee has increased from 100 to 297 with the promise that it will be 380 next year this is a 25 subsidized rate charged for

[24:01] non-motorized user groups that offer team-oriented recreational opportunity that adds well-being and a sense of connectedness in Boulder County critically needed in our ever-increasing Mental Health crisis we are experiencing in our country and today's Remembrance Day is no exception to this crisis we knew this fee increase was coming but it is still my responsibility to inform you of the flawed methodology and calculating this hourly cost by the reservoir staff that is jeopardizing on important Wellness offering to our community they've taken the entire cost of the operations across the entire year which is 1.2 million and divided it by the number of hours the reservoir was opened to the public last year 36.89 this methodology does not account for the fact that their operating costs dramatically increased from Memorial Day to Labor Day due to extensive Staffing facility where and access to their building and bathrooms which are not offered to US during our 5 a.m to 7 A.M rental period this means that despite virtually no emissions minimal environmental impact to the water and use of far fewer staff than during peak

[25:01] hours non-motorized user groups are being asked to pay an average cost far beyond the actual cost of their activities this average includes Staffing costs for the front gate and Lake Patrol boats which are not needed based on the way the rates our programs have been calculated using operational costs that are not consistent for our facility use we're being charged for excess Services we do not use we see no consideration or understanding for the finances of our program or the benefits we offer your community and ask the city council to support our efforts by talking to the reservoir staff about this methodology thank you thank you Susan is Evan ravitz in the room seeing him will move on to Beverly Williams and then Jonathan Finch except we have Beverly here Jonathan Finch Evan your time just came up if you'd like to walk up to the podium um no worries we'll go to the remote

[26:01] speakers and then come back to you all right our first three remote speakers are Brittany Beecher Lynn Siegel and Amy Rosenblum hello my name is Brittany Beecher and I've been a 20-year Boulder County resident this evening I'd like to voice my support for council's project aimed at addressing the emissions caused by Lawn Care Equipment but challenge the council to take further action by amending the land use code to support native plants used in landscape starting off I want to reiterate my support for the lawn equipment project however as I mentioned I would like to advocate for this Council to take additional steps to tackle climate emissions from lawn care equipment by amending the land use code to require the use of native plants and landscaping around the city while working to mitigate the impact of landscaping equipment is an important step you should take this next step the EPA has promoted what they've coined greenscaping to include reducing the

[27:00] amount of CO2 in the atmosphere by two ways first because native plants often require little to no lawn maintenance there is substantially fewer emissions by Lawn Care Equipment second native plants are much better at working as a carbon sink due to their extensive root system and ability to retain water other benefits include protecting waterways wildlife habitats and saving money through reduced costs Council can take action by amending the land use codes to achieve this in multiple ways one example comes from Kane County Illinois where the county applies its Landscaping Provisions to residential commercial and Industrial sites by requiring each of the three classes to set aside a predetermined percentage for their land for planting native plants a different approach is exemplified in Austin Texas where the code designates zoned where disturbance of natural vegetation is restricted and requires restoration with Native species if such occurs well these are just a few examples of the actions this Council can take I urge you all at a minimum to implement a project to further the adoption of native plants into the landscaping design of Boulder County

[28:01] thank you for listening to me this evening I look forward to watching the progress of the project aimed at addressing the emissions caused by the lawn equipment and I look forward to the potential of the project around native Landscaping thank you Brittany and I actually have a quick request for you which would be to maybe email us some of those examples in other cities that you mentioned so we could look up those when we have chance great now we have Lynn Siegel then Amy Rosenbloom and Travis culley I don't think you need other cities Aaron I think you know pretty darn well that the noise and the pollution for lawnmower you know like there's a study for friggin everything you know and guess who's paying for it I am you know you are so inefficient with the city and I never hear anything from you never a response that's because I guess I'm right you know if I'm wrong tell me about it because see you Sal is a disaster on

[29:00] Boulder it increases the density which increases our cost of everything which increases homelessness which we then have to deal with and that's what you dealt with at your uh your retreat you know and like you've dealt with it for the past decades you know which is not dealing with it or conducting another study to figure things out well you're the freaking leaders leave take a stand do something you know the city's going downhill fast you know it's nothing but condos on Folsom Street and high-end ones driving up the cost of everything and oh smaller is better no smaller is more expensive and drives up the cost of everything and drives up homelessness you're inefficient you're creating more homelessness than you have to deal with because you like your jobs I guess you enjoy this you know I don't think so you

[30:00] know get real and do something um the Millennium had 296 units now it's got 942. do you know what that does to Transportation you know what that does to the cost for the transportation department for open space for all of these things see you South it drives up the cost of everything Social Services libraries rec centers everything stop already stop you know a homeless person costs 13 000 and or they're 20. then your time is up but thank you for your testimony yeah can I excuse me um Amy Rosenblum is next followed by Travis culley and Amanda grziak hi Council can you hear me yes great thank you for having me uh I'm Amy Rosenbloom and I'm here tonight to speak

[31:00] to you as a parent as the president of the board for Colorado Junior crew and as a constituent as a parent I know you are well aware uh and Susan touched on it the data shows that mental health concerns are on the rise for our kids especially our teenage girls and CJC has provided a safe and tough team sport for my daughter and nearly 40 other athletes to attend five days a week outside enjoying bold Earth Reservoir this seems like something we would want to support and honestly that we would want to celebrate as a board member and a volunteer I want to go into a couple of aspects of our negotiations with the reservoir the hourly rate isn't calculated fairly the increase doesn't reflect the services that we we use or the wear and tear that we put on the res we are seeing we aren't seeing a commiserate increase in the services when we go from 85 an hour to 233 dollars an hour let me be clear there's not even a restroom that's open to our coaches and athletes to use during the increased access hours

[32:02] we hope that the invoices this year are issued in a way that is accurate and clear as they were neater last year and as we are complying with the extensive documentation required of us and already for the upcoming year we have been told that our votes may or may not be inspected in a timely manner in the fashion when I return up on the Reds this is the service we're paying for and then our hourly fee and yet we may not be able to use our own equipment because the res is not able to inspect it even after insisting that we give them specific times that our votes will be returned to our inspection and at the same time our practice is dictated by school time we have no flexibility on this as all um you know after school activities and athletic sports and as a constituent I have to say I'm disappointed it seems like we're having this conversation every year I pull up my emails from last year or my talking points to counsel and we could use council's time and our volunteers time in a more efficient way I really appreciate your time and thanks for hearing from me thank you Amy now we

[33:02] have Travis culley then Amanda groziak and then we'll come back to Evan rabbits Council can you hear me yes thank you very much um uh first let me acknowledge you all for your patience and handling my comments and hearing my questions week after week um let me get this on the record I'm just a kid from Arvada um I was raised just one block north of the Swanson Elementary School in Arvada um on this map I know my audience can't see me but I've got a little red dot I don't know if anyone can see me but you know right outside of one of the Rings of contamination of the Stewardship Council well of the rocky class location I'm not going to speak um my father came home from work one day um and told me if they ever want to know what the toxic waste is um tell them they're dumping in Marshall Lake I was five in 1973. I had no

[34:02] reference for this at the time not seven or ten years before Marshall Lake was called a minisa link and it's because it's on a Mesa we once we wouldn't see Marshall Lake um and it wouldn't become part of our Collective memory until the Marshall fire I an average kid from Arvada have raised this with the rocky flat Stewardship Council which I understand to be the correct forum for Community concern to be raised where IT addresses or responds or has some acknowledgment of the possible contamination on the Wildlife Refuge um and I'm being blocked um as of the last meeting on March 7th um the executive board is planning to restructure the rocky Cloud Stewardship Council at the meetings and themselves uninviting the doe and the Legacy management team so that David Abelson can pretend to answer the answer the questions with the help of the CD's phe to answer the questions of fires and

[35:00] framework forever chemicals while the doe are not there miss Winer I hope urged it that you scrutinize this meaning for transparency and for honesty because I doubt it's honest disposition if you look at the IG agreement of 2018 you'll see what has been redacted from the mission statement it says that the words oversight Travis Travis I'm afraid your time is up but thank you for your testimony thank you now we have Amanda grziak then Evan rabbits you hear me yes hello my name is Amanda graziak I am a member of the environmental Advisory Board though I'm not speaking for the board today and I'm only sharing my own opinions um I just wanted to also alert first the council that EAB did not have a meeting in January which I kind of find to be unacceptable during a climate crisis not to be constantly bringing new projects

[36:01] updating old ones to EAB and city council I'd also like to raise the issue of needing public education on proper waste stream sorting I've brought it up with EAB members and City environmental staff before our composting requirements have been majorly relaxed for businesses and the community because of contamination issues many people who live in Boulder especially college and graduate students are here temporarily and have come from all over the U.S and in and the world where they might not have experience with composting and or recycling so this is their first time seeing that and I've been trying to advocate for consistent public education campaigns such as pamphlets sent to new residents for proper waste sorting I would love to see city council consider this option instead of limiting our composting options

[37:00] and the last point I would like to make is I would also love to advocate for placing an industrial composting facility on our open space land I know it might be a little content but we really need to decrease our emissions from landfill and actually put our money where our mouth is on environmentalism a composting facility on open space land would not be close to anyone's private residence and so would not come up against opposition for people who do not want that in their backyard and would also put Boulder City's alignments at city's actions and alignments with our professed priority of environmentalism thank you very much thank you Amanda our final speaker will be Evan ravitz here in person hi Evan rabbits I've lived here 44 years council member folkerts asked on the city hotline this morning why there are less applicants for City boards and commissions this year if people knew of

[38:01] my experience on a city working group and of others on City boards and commissions you might have no applicants at all first others remember how police oversight board applicants Sammy Lawrence was basically called a drama queen by former council member Mary young and rejected Sammy is the disabled young black man who is brutally assaulted by 240 pound ex-cop Whalen Lola tie and after three years was finally awarded seventy five thousand dollars by the city members of the human relations commission were scolded by council member Wallach for publicly saying what they thought about treatment of the homeless years later council is finally talking about following their advice I was appointed to the city's campaign finance and elections working group five years ago and expected to spend 100 to

[39:02] 200 hours like other members but because I led the effort that made Boulder the first place in the country to have easier online petitioning for initiatives and referenda I have spent over 4 000 hours trying to defend it against staff lying cheating and defrauding us taxpayers of over half a million dollars and Counting I was recovering my endurance after breaking my hip until this Onslaught by City staff instead I a former professional tightrope artist sometimes have trouble walking around the block now so I hate the government of Boulder as Noam Chomsky says we'll have to invent new words the word evil doesn't even approach it all right that brings open comment to a close so at least if we could go to our consent agenda please

[40:00] yes sir thank you our consent agenda is item number three on tonight's docket you know what but I missed a step to staff have any responses to open comment a quick one knowing that a thank you for all the comments we always appreciate them um and find it an opportunity to look into some items we will certainly do that for the comments regarding um the issues at the boulder res and Rowing I just wanted to remind staff I didn't have that date at my fingertips last time we will be talking about that as part of the financial update on May 11th done here thank you Council mark yeah I just want to respond briefly to Mr rabbit you know we have vigorous uh debates and disagreements on this Council there are things some people like there are things some people love but the concept that this council is acting out of malice and his evil I I

[41:02] that to me is is a bridge too far um You can disagree with what we do um you can entirely discredit what we do that's that's within your purview as a citizen and your right to do so but when you start describing motivations such as evil uh to this body I really do think you're off base and I say that as someone who's often on a losing side of issues but that's you know we we have good people here I'm sorry Mr ravitz I entirely disagree with you thanks Mark um actually before we finish this out Nuria you mentioned that the rowing issues will be addressed in an update on May 11th I guess I would say be helpful to get a little bit more information as a council member ahead of that just to understand a little better about the issues that they're talking about and is that do you think that'd be possible to get a I believe that that can be accommodated I know that our director of parks and

[42:00] rec has been actively working with some of our community members and having these conversations and engaging with it and I'm sure that we can follow up with you on it it'd be great to talk with committee members more knowledgeably about the issues involved thank you all right now oh Nicole thank you um and Nuria I just had a quick follow-up to that um I believe that the rowing groups are needing to fill out their contracts before May 11th and so I'm just wondering um because that I don't I don't know that if we are discussing it on May 11th then it will have any uh impact on any of their concerns for this season and from some of what I understand from the groups um at the current rates that it may end some of their programs uh thank you member uh council member spear I'll take a look at that I actually meant to figure out what the timing of those contracts was so I will take a look at that and get back

[43:07] to our consent agenda please of course thank you sir item three on tonight's agenda is our consent agenda it contains items a through G questions or comments about the consent agenda I'll just make one quick comment uh item D is about accepting the donation of 0.3 acres of land at 2675 3rd Street from Boulder residence John Eric Jansen and Elizabeth Barrow Jansen for open space purposes and I would just like to extend a thank you to them for this generous donation that's going to improve the trail access to the Mount snidas area Trails so thanks so much for being willing to do that anything else motion Maybe I make a motion to pass our consent

[44:02] agenda second okay we have a motion and a second this is a roll call if we could Alicia thank you sir we'll start the consent agenda roll call tonight with council member fogerts yes friend yes Joseph yes spear yes mayor Pro Tim Wallick yes councilmember weiner yes Yates yes Benjamin yes and mayor Brockett yes the consent agenda items a through G are hereby approved thanks so much if we could go to our call check-ins please thank you our call of check-ins are item four on tonight's agenda 4A is our Landmark alteration certificate to

[45:02] install a Memorial Sculpture at 2205 Broadway a contributing building in the Mapleton Hill historic district any questions or interest in calling this up I I know what you should call it up I just want to make a comment I think it's um apropos and a little appointment that tonight we're looking at this Landmark alteration certificate for a sculpture that will appear in front of the Museum of older here in a few months that memorializes the um the 10 people were lost at Aaron mentioned in the Declaration earlier tonight and I hope that when that that sculpture is um placed in front of the Museum of Boulder I'm sure there'll be an event an unveiling I hope that we can all be there thank you for that Bob any other comments or interest in calling us up seeing none if we could go to our next one please 4B tonight is the landmark alteration certificate denied to install aluminum clad windows at 909 Mapleton

[46:01] Avenue a contributing property in the Mapleton hero historic district questions comments or interest in calling it up Lauren yeah just seeing that they're trying to replace I would be interested in getting a little bit more detail or just a brief overview of why this is not Siemens um in line with our regulations do we have City staff available that can answer that question Marcy hi good evening Marcy Gerwin principal historic preservation planner and planning and development services um Lauren thank you for your questions um the landmarks board voted to deny this request not for the replacement of Windows it was approved at the committee level to allow the replacement of the

[47:01] windows with wood windows but the owner was interested in pursuing the use of cloud Windows as the replacement material and because the windows are located in the character defining feature of the contributing house in a place that is visible from the public right-of-way we found that it was not consistent with the design guidelines which talk about using traditional materials and materials that are similar in texture finish and color thank you um and are there wood window alternates that are as high performing as these windows would be from an energy perspective yes so what windows can meet our energy code um and there are state tax credits to help offset the cost difference between the two um and so uh in looking at a comparison

[48:02] they are very similar in terms of both energy performance and cost once the state tax credits are taken into account thank you anything else you're interested in calling it up anybody else yes Mr process question we don't hear from the applicant unless we call it up is that true I believe that's correct Mercy I believe that's true Okay so I guess I might be interested in calling it up just to hear like what is the what is the burden on them if if we're saying no to something that I mean from the pictures it yeah I don't know how much I'm supposed to comment at this stage but I guess I could I could be persuaded to call this up because um I don't know what um what a difference it makes to the homeowner and and if it is much more expensive to do something that's environmental

[49:01] um or or even a bit more you know not everyone can do that looks like a lovely house so perhaps they could afford it I don't know but I guess I'd like to hear from them so you'd like to go that route sure I got Nicole then Lauren Nicole oh I didn't have a comment you were just asking if there's anybody else so I was just okay okay Lauren did you want me to come yeah and I think that this is something that may not come in front of us that often but is an issue in the community that I hear a fair amount about so I think it would be good to have a discussion about this um and that this would be a good way to do so seeing some nodding heads so we might want to proceed to a motion to get the will of council I'll just call on myself here and I I appreciate how this similar issues to this I think have been

[50:00] potentially problematic in the past I will say the unanimous decision of the landmarks board which has some really quite different opinions on issues like this plus Marcy's point that says that the wood windows can be almost the same cost for a similar performance to me leaves me saying I don't need to call it up but I understand people's concerns foreign out there Rachel I will make a motion to call this up uh I got hands from Mark and Nicole Mark you're muted I will pass on my comment as we're moving to a vote okay Nicole and I just had one additional question for Marcy um these rebates that kind of uh make the costs more equivalent is that at point of sale or is that something that people have to kind of file their taxes and then they get a tax credit or something for it so is it the media or is it delayed it's the latter it's a tax credit that you filed with the tax

[51:03] um your tax forms and then I think up to Rachel's point it can make a difference if folks are hurting at them or struggling at the moment to incorporate energy efficient features into their homes got it uh well we got a motion do we have a second sorry again second okay thanks Nicole Alicia this be a show of hands yes sir all right we've got a motion in a second to call this item up raise your hands if you're in favor of the motion all in favor we got four all posed we got five so close but uh not does not quite go through on a four to five vote but thanks for raising the issue if we've got nothing else on that one we should could you take us to our next one please yes sir item four C tonight

[52:03] is the concept plan review and comment for a proposal to redevelop 5675 Arapahoe with two new three-story buildings for research and development uses totaling approximately two hundred thousand square feet in floor area at a height of approximately 45 feet and would surface and subterrain parking reviewed under case number lur 2022-00040 we're going straight to Chandler for that take it away Chandler all right thank you um is my understanding is it's uh staff over there prefers to drive the presentation or would you like me to share my screen and do it from here whatever you want to do and if staff drives it from here just let them know next if not you can share your screen okay

[53:09] okay can you all see this without my notes uh no we're in we're in um we're not in presentation mode so we can see your notes and it looks okay apologies I was um do you prefer that we run it from here yeah if you don't mind though that was what I was prepared for okay then give us a moment yep all right Chandler thanks council members um as noted I'm here to present the concept plan call up for 5675 Arapahoe and go to the next slide the plan purpose you're all familiar

[54:01] with is to provide feedback and comments to an applicant prior to submittal of a site review application uh the purpose of this uh presentation is for Council to decide whether they would like to call it up at a public hearing next slide please um so in terms of public notification we followed protocol written notice was sent to property under than 600 feet as well as posted on the property no comments have been received next slide so the project location as you can see here it's located off Arapahoe Avenue just east of 55th Street next slide the bbcp land use designation for the site is light Industrial in terms of uses the intent is to consist primarily of research and development like manufacturing and assembly media and storage or other intensive employment uses and there are some allowances for residential and other complementary uses

[55:00] next slide please the subject site is located within the boundaries of the East Boulder sub-community plan um I won't read all of this but of note is that it's also light industrial land use it is not located within an area of change however it is identified as an area of future study and the area of future study says to accommodate light industrial operations and access in this area and increase safety for new residential and mixed use development the area should be pursued for further study and potential issues include increased network access through the area and consolidation of curb cut so long Arapahoe next slide please um in terms of the zoning it's zoned IG or industrial General um in terms of development standards for IG there's a maximum floor area ratio of 0.5 Max Building height by right of 40 feet the parking requirement is based on one space per 400 square feet the floor area research and development uses are allowed by right

[56:00] and office uses over 50 000 square feet require a use review under 50 000 square feet are allowed by right next slide please so just some context shots of the site and surrounding area as you can see it's located immediately North across Arapahoe from the golf course and otherwise is surrounded by a mix of Warehouse manufacturing light industrial and Auto Service uses next slide please um so the proposed project the original proposal came in was for technical office use as you're aware that use definition has been removed from the code so now it would either have to qualify as office research and development or other light industrial uses the applicant has indicated that they will meet the definition of research and development facility uh the proposed Building height is 45 feet this is conditionally allowed per section 7 or 976 because the site is not adjacent to residential and so what that

[57:00] means is that they would not require a height modification through site review to achieve a height of 45 feet the total proposed floor area of the project is uh 206 400 square feet about 85 000 in building a and about 122 000 in Building B uh which brings the total far for the site to 0.498 so right just under the 0.5 limit and um the proposed parking includes 60 surface spaces and 500 Subterranean spaces for a total of 560 where 516 would be required by code next slide please um so this is just a shot at the site plan as you can see it's two buildings um a range kind of on the Northern portion of the site behind an existing Pond facility there's surface parking lot um to the east of building a and then a kind of open space employee Gathering area in the corner of Building B there

[58:00] next slide please um so this is a rendering provided by the applicant um just giving a view of the project from Arapahoe next slide please um similar here this is from the north west corner of the site looking into the open space area tucked into Building B behind building a next slide please this is an aerial shot of the proposed development and how it would fit in with the surrounding context and and look from above next slide please um so the planning board hearing took place for this on February 21st 2023 uh planning board heard presentations by staff and the applicant and has questions following each presentation there are two key issues discussed the first key issue was is the proposed concept plan preliminarily consistent with the goals objectives and recommendations of the Boulder Valley comprehensive plan and the second key issue is does planning board have

[59:01] feedback on the proposed site plan and architecture next slide please so for key issue number one two board members found that the project did not meet the goals objectives and recommendations of the bpcp specifically because they felt that the project would have a negative impact on housing by creating a large number of high salary jobs and that the building design did not represent sustainable Urban form as defined in the bbcp uh conversely four board members felt that the project did generally comply with the bbcp but expressed dissatisfaction with the concept plan application materials particularly in terms of the lack of architectural detail there was some discussion regarding the need to update BBC policies related to light industrial land use designations in the next bdcp update and it's worth noting that the renderings that I just showed you were not provided until the day of the planning board hearing so they weren't included in the original packet they were included in the presentation so that's part of why there are some dissatisfaction with the packet itself next slide please

[60:02] in terms of key issue number two the board generally agreed with staff's comments and found that the overall site design is generally compatible with the surrounding area but that Building architecture will be a major Focus during site review and the surface parking area if kept will need to be relocated and or better screened from you additional concerns included a desire to see less parking overall and more focus on Alternate modes and TDM potential impacts of underground parking structure on wetlands and site drainage the thought that building design was not inspirational or unique building sustainability and Energy Efficiency concerns lack of accessory uses such as a coffee shop to serve employees quality of the projects landscaping and functionality of buildings in open space for employees and visitors next slide please um so next steps if not called up by Council the applicant will move forward to site review uh the site review application is a staff level decision subject to call it by planning board if this is called up by Council the

[61:00] console plan will be scheduled for a council hearing within 60 days and just a reminder that Council also has the authority to refer concept plan review proposals to dab and or tab for their respective opinions with or without a column and now I'm happy to take any questions next slide please thanks for that Chandler questions for Chandler Bob Chandler did the I'm sorry the applicant say they wanted a call or no they did not they did not okay thank you any other questions or any interest in calling this up or any comments Mark and then Rachel yeah you know I think I would be interested in calling it up that's a lot of reservations expressed by the planning board I would certainly want to refer this to a design Advisory Board given some of those reservations and there are enough Quest you know the project looks okay to

[62:00] me but there are enough questions that have been raised by the planning board which I'm sure has given it more particular scrutiny than we have that I'd like to see the applicant respond to some of those and and you know make a presentation thanks Mark Rachel I don't want to call it up or ask us to call it up but I would like us to refer to dab and tab um dab for the reasons that uh councilmember Wallach suggested uh and tab because of the parking questions the TDM uh focus and um the underground parking and and floodplain I don't know if tab can weigh in on that but it just sounds like there were a fair amount of parking and TDM concerns myself yeah I'm with Rachel I I work with other respect I um while this is a big project and there were a lot of concerns raised I'm not sure that we're going to do a better job than planning board it sounds like playing board did a very thorough job and it sounds like the applicant is content with those comments and is not

[63:01] seeking our call up or second guessing but I do agree with Rachel that referring this to Tab and dab would be a good idea great I'll uh Colin myself and agree with Rachel and Bob here that I did think generally playing board did a good job in their review and I just want to highlight a couple of things that they said that I that I want to double down on and one was the uh it seems like there's too much parking here there's what I think 500 spots in the underground garage and then uh with and then with that many spots in a garage to have 60 spots on the surface additionally seems like uh definitely more than is necessary Justified and also gives a parking Forward Design to the project that I'd like to avoid so I would love to see a stronger TDM project less parking overall and definitely less parking on the surface if any because if you remove that parking entirely then you could get to one of planingboard's other points which was more functional site layout and open space for the the workers and visitors so I wanted to highlight those and if maybe tab has

[64:00] some brilliant TDM ideas that could be useful in making that happen Lauren thank you yeah I I agree with the referral to Tab and dab and with you know the focus on try um sort of the sustainability aspects of this project the parking the building materials structural systems um you know a large parking garage next to a wetland is going to be de-watered most likely or it's just a little problematic so I think having dab dive deeper into those issues would be great and tab Rachel may I make a motion please to refer to Tab and dab to look into all of the issues as relevant to their boards as identified by planning board second or I was asking for a second I'll just call it second

[65:01] let's take the up talk at the end there motion a second all in favor show offense that is unanimous Okay so we've decided I believe to not call it up Mark I think you're the only opinion in that direction if you don't mind but to refer to Tab and dab I'll withdraw my request okay thank you Chandler said good enough do you need anything else nope that's great thank you very much thank you all right that finishes up our call-ups so we can move to our public hearing all right sir thank you our public hearings are item five on tonight's agenda and we have 5A which is the 2023 board and commission appointments and John Morse is going to walk us through those uh I don't know if Alicia you wanted to frame that up while he gets situated but if we're not we'll give him a hot second thank you

[66:00] and actually do you mind if I just intercede here for a second I just I thought maybe before we get into the all the details on the procedures it might be helpful to address the question that Lauren raised over hotline about the dab appointments to kind of clear that procedural issue out of the way before we get into all the uh appointment details what do folks think about that John is prepared to answer those questions fantastic so John if you don't mind starting with that and then we'll get into the rest of it sure and don't forget to introduce yourself right sorry rookie moment hello city council good evening I'm John Morse the elections administrator for the city I also oversee our boards and commissions recruitment along with the help of the clerks team so to answer Lauren's question regarding our dab applicants and a staggering terms on the hotline I'd like to start by saying that in our general Provisions for boards and commissions and city council there is not a provision right now for all boards

[67:02] and commissions to have city council adjust terms to stagger them for all boards and commissions including dab now however there are two exceptions to that just in our code the Arts commission and the beverage licensing Authority both have specifics in the code that state Council shall be able to adjust terms as to stagger that in addition to that we have a few boards and commissions the downtown management commission the human relations commission are Boulder Junction access districts the Cannabis licensing Advisory Board and University Hill commercial area management commission all in our code have kind of described how when they were developed the terms of the members were different as to stagger them moving forward so with all that being said there isn't a requirement for Council to stack your terms if that's something Council would

[68:01] like to clean up in in the code you know we could definitely team up with the CAO in the clerk's office to do that it seems like the most logical path forward if that's the will of council but that's kind of the gist of it and I'll look to CAO or Alicia if there's any further parts to that we'll start with CEO and then we got some questions for you actually don't have any have anything I saw Matt and then Bob so even though Council has no requirement do we have discretion if it doesn't say we have can explicitly do it as I say that we can't so that's really that so in Connecticut is it prohibited right it is not specifically prohibited the fact that it is addressed in other parts of the code though infers that it's not allowed in other parts that's usually how legislative readings go if it's not if

[69:03] it's specifically stated especially in the entire boards and commissions title we've got some that do some that don't and if you want that to happen you would need to make a code change we got lots of colleges because they got one too yeah Lauren so I think one of the reasons this came up is because there was a position that went unfulfilled does the code address how we are supposed to deal with a position that has been unfulfilled because in this case we've moved the term back a year but could instead we treat it like a resignation and a point to a four-year term for the seat that was unappointed last year clever that's a creative way to think about it and um I would say first of all that it

[70:00] doesn't our code and our rules don't address that I think this is kind of a new thing that where we're really having struggling to get people to apply and we're having a lot of vacancies so certainly seems like an area that we could probably focus on making some changes but um I I do think that your idea is creative I I don't I don't necessarily think that that could should be discounted um it's it's difficult because we've got some codes that already addressed this specifically and so um you know I think that part of this too is that you know we need to look at how it affects the process and make sure that that whatever changes that you all want to make that it works with the process that's currently being applied and if I may add something real quick I think the the one reason that we were a bit adamant about the the actual appointment

[71:00] being for five years is because it says clearly in the code shall be appointed for a five-year term it doesn't say when that term begins or like Sandra said there isn't a section that addresses if we don't have someone appointed the year before do we alter that term it strictly says four or five year term can I build on on what Lauren said um so let me back up in time in 2022 we had a five-year term that we could have filled um that would have had a term from 2022 to 2027 is that correct but no one applied for it is that correct yes looking for a yes that's correct okay thank you so um what you're saying now tonight is a year later is that when when Council didn't and couldn't fulfill that term we implicitly extended the term of that seat because there's no seats are numbered one two three four five we implicitly extended the term to change the term so I I don't

[72:00] you're telling us tonight we can't do explicitly what we want to do but you're inferring an action that we took which we didn't take I was sitting here in 2022 we didn't do that we didn't say oh geez the seat was just empty it was as long as it was no different than a resignation with the resignation we don't start with a new five years it's just the remainder of that term so there's a remainder of a term if if this forget about the fact that it wasn't filled let's say we filled it and the very next day that person quit would you say there's a new five-year term or would we fill that term for the remainder four years and 364 days in that position it would be an unexpired term um so why is this not an unexpired term can I colloquai on that question Bob yeah and maybe stating Lauren's question a little bit differently can we also just appoint this person to a five-year term effective 2022.

[73:01] is there any would is there any problem with I mean it's it keeps the same five-year term and that person will not have served the first year of it but it then it keeps it could I add on to that maybe a slightly different way to think about it is if we associate it with the seat number right right I don't know what the seat number is let's say it's seat two so uh so that we appoint that person to seat number two for the remainder of c2's term to end four years from now we're doing rights the seeds not the person yeah and to to kind of get to Alicia's point to say that that things should be five-year terms but if we're associating it with the the course of time of the the seat has and I think just to bring it back here I think boards will be much more functional for five person boards if we point one new one every year so it sounds like we need to get ahead of this with a code change to clarify in the future but I'd hate to start the

[74:01] board on this kind of staggered thing that will be less functional for them unless it's really legally not possible I think with some of the creative things I've heard tonight I think we could probably work with that and certainly we should move forward on making changes in our code to make sure that it's very clear what those procedures are and I'm sure we probably think of other things that we can improve on as well so I appreciate the flexibility to work with some of that creativity to make this happen I will say that I I don't know if that was the if there was some early legislative intent but to not allow changing terms of a filled seat I would get because we don't want to say we don't like this person and therefore you only you get three shorter years on your term so I think if we are going to go down the path that has to do with either vacancies or ones that go unfulfilled so we can clearly de-politicize or at least there would be no interpretation or or fear that we

[75:01] could start politicizing terms of boards based on affiliation or performance in that sense Alicia did you have anything to add no but I will need some clarity going forward with the mid-year Recruitment and we will also need Clarity for positions that have been open for a couple of years so it's not just to want this particular one because this will rotate backwards when we have appointments um going forward so again with the process we'll need to clarify that and we'll also need to clarify tonight with that particular appointment will it be as of a four-year term or will it be a five-year term because that's the one that's in question tonight can I ask a different or comment on on that so I what was brought up about can we basically identify the seats and the turns we appoint are to a seat

[76:01] not a person and I wonder if that's part of the change we go forward with because that kind of then just nullifies a lot of these concerns and keeps our stagger no matter what happens so that kind of maybe only just in terms of focusing Direction on what may come from city attorney's office um in that sense and yeah because what I'm hearing from the will of council that's being mentioned so far is I think there would be a desire to have one person serve for five years from the date of appointment and the other person to serve the remaining four years that that seat is entitled to but there's other Provisions in other boards and commissions that we are trying to appoint tonight to that actually say seat two is a two-year term and certain other seats are have a longer term or designated term so addressing it to the seat is already being done yeah so that's what I guess I'm a little confused with because all the seats on that particular board are for five-year terms I guess the question now is when

[77:00] those terms begin is that correct that's right yeah so we would say that term actually began at the time it became vacant is that what we're trying to say about that particular I believe so yeah in the last five-year position expired right which was at the time the last last five year position expired which then was the time it became vacant Rachel just because I think this could go all night can we um express our intent to appoint a second person to that board for a four-year term tonight and uh hope that a City attorney will help us to in the um minutes make it in done in a way that it's legal yeah we can do that tonight but I do think that there are a lot of issues to go through and I don't think we can figure them all out here tonight so that that's fine if you want to go forward on that one but I think that there are a lot of other issues that we need to to tackle and so we'll come back with that

[78:00] okay thank you very good uh thank you for the discussion this ended up being a tricky one so John if we can then move toward is are you starting a software Alicia are you starting us off with a process oh Elisha if you would please I'm starting this officer tonight thank you good evening everyone Elisha Johnson serving the city as the city clerk and the records manager so tonight before we begin the process of a nominee our nomination and appointment to board and commission candidates to fill our current vacancies I'm going to provide an outline of our process for this particular subject there are two steps I would also like to know and I am being supported tonight by our elections administrator John Morris first we will present slides of each board and commission identify which seats are vacant along with their required qualifications the eligible candidates and whether they have applied to other boards second I will ask the mayor to open the public hearing close it when complete

[79:00] and turn the discussion back to me to provide counsel with guidance on how the nomination and appointment process will proceed John if you will now present the slides for me for the first board before we begin I wanted to just know for the record we had 29 open seats this year 60 applications were received and 19 were deemed ineligible or withdrawn before or after the interview process began first board we want to review is our Arts Commission we have two seats available for that commission the first seed is seat number one to appoint a member to an unexpired three-year term through 331 2026 and the second C to seek three and that's appointing a member to a five-year term through 331-28 we have two candidates that have applied and deemed eligible show cardazzo and Jeffrey cash

[80:01] next up Board of zoning adjustment we have one seat available for that board the seat number three which is to appoint a member to a five-year term also through 331 2028 we have two candidates Drew Eisenberg and Raymond Jack Rudd Raymond is a has been a member of that board since 3 18 2018. next we will review our cannibal licensing Advisory Board statistics C3 is open and that is to appoint a member to a five-year term through 320 338 28 that member must be a marijuana or hemp business owner seat five is to appoint a member to also a five-year term through 331-28 that seat must be filled with a health education person that has that background for seat three we have eligible candidate Ethan Daniel and Kyle Kraft for seat five Penny Feinberg Thomas

[81:01] kuntzman who has been a member of that board since 331 2020 and also David Timken next we have the design Advisory Board seat two is to appoint a member for a five-year term through 331-28 they must be a design professional and also C3 is for again a five-year term through the same period and also must be a design professional we have Rory please forgive me blocking corrects but little kervich thank you Rory has been a member since 320 2018 on seat three in seat three and we also have a new applicant Steven Eckert next we have our environmental Advisory Board seat two is to appoint member a member for a five-year term through of course the term period of 331-28 and C4 is a to appoint a member to an unexpired one-year term through

[82:01] 331-24 we have two applicants Alexandra Rothwell and Michael San Clements Michael has been a member since 3 20 2018. next is our housing reward is to appoint a member to an unexpired one-year term through 331 2024 and seat five is to appoint a member to a five-year term through 3 31 2028. we have five eligible candidates Yvonne Durbin Nicholas Hartman Karen Hoskin Karen clearman and Anna pavalentco Anna has also applied for the human relations Commission our human relations commission appointments are two seats seat three is for a member to be appointed for a five-year term through 331-28 seat four is to appoint a member to an unexpired

[83:00] one-year term through 331-24 again Anna has applied to that board as she has with the other I'm sorry housing Advisory Board and fakir Jakob who is currently a member and has been a member since 4-1 2022. our landmarks board we have C3 and C4 C4 is to I mean I'm sorry C3 is to appoint a member for a five-year term through 331 28 must be an art have an architecture historic preservation or urban planning professional C4 is to appoint a member to a one-year unexpired term through 331-24 we have one eligible candidate John Decker John has been a member of that board since 3 18 2018. next we will review the library commission we have one seat open to appoint a member for a five-year term

[84:00] through 331-28 that is for seat three we have two eligible candidates Miriam Gilbert and Elizabeth gold our open space Board of Trustees has one seat open that is seat three and that's to appoint a member for a five-year term through 331-28 we have five eligible candidates John gersel Keith Musselman Mason Roberts Brady Robinson and Harman Zuckerman our Parks and Rec Advisory board has two seats seat three is and seat four are both for the same exact identical term to appoint member for a five-year term through three Thirty One Twenty Eight we have seven eligible candidates Andrew Bernstein Patricia is inser Clifford Moss Jennifer Robbins Anna segur Heather Smith and Matthew Vader

[85:04] our planning board has one seat seat four to appoint a member for a five-year term through 331-28 we have two candidates Gene Feinberg and Kurt norback our transportation Advisory board has one seat and that is to appoint a member for a five-year term through 331-28 we have three eligible candidates Carl Lawrence David Mardis Maria Trinny willerton and Maria has been a member since 4 1 2022. our Water Resource Advisory Board C3 is available and that is to appoint a member to a five-year term through 331-28 our one eligible candidate is Lauren kookman at this time mayor I will now turn it over to you to open and close the public hearing

[86:01] uh very good thank you so much for that Elisha so if we can open our public hearing please we have one person signed up to speak who will have three minutes I believe that individuals familiar with our guidelines so if we could have Lynn Siegel please what what's the the formality all the time I don't get it individual yeah I'm Lynn yeah John Decker for the landmarks board Carl Lawrence for the tab and John gristle for osbt and I have something much worse than the description that Evan described to you of evil or even beyond evil and that is you lack many of you lack

[87:00] the c word curiosity you lack curiosity there's nothing that could be said that is worse than claiming that of this board of this Council so those are my recommendations done but thank you Lynn sorry for the formality but thanks for your testimony okay so um we'll bring this back to council for a discussion on this John is this when you're going to walk us through the process or are you sure you can do that I'm going to do that okay fantastic I keep thinking John was going to do something here and present something but I'll look back over here that's okay he's here to support me and he's doing a fabulous job um I will now outline the instructions on how this process will go and please be reminded that it is outlined and detailed in our bow to Revised Code and

[88:00] in your agenda materials we will proceed through nominations one board or commission at a time in alphabetical order by board title council members will make nominations to fill vacancies one seat at a time once nominations for the seat have been made by council members council is welcome to discuss with each other before taking final action if only one person is nominated for a seat that deployment will stand if there are no objections if more than one person is nominated for the same seat we have a specific process for narrowing the candidates down to one finalist a voting support will be held for each individual nominated candidates must receive a minimum of five votes to be declared the finalists for a vacancy if the first round of voting does not produce a clear winner the candidate will with the fewest votes will drop from the nominee list and the vote will be conducted again this

[89:01] continues until a single nominee remains the order of nominees will be called either alphabetically or reverse alphabetically by last name of the nominees dependent upon a flip of my coin from that point on I will alternate the order for all further nominee votes during the speeding where more than one candidate has been nominated if a person is not selected for the first seat they are nominated for they can be nominated for one of the other available seats on that board or the other board or commission seat that they applied to this process is followed for each board or Commission once Council has determined a single appointed candidate for each seat this item will conclude for the evening and we will need a motion to approve the 2023 boards and commission appointments please note that I have John here to keep track of the nominations and appointments in real time and mayor I turned the meeting back to you and John and I here are here to support you as

[90:01] this process continues thanks so much Elisha for that very clear explanation and one thing maybe I missed it but if there are multiple seats would we generally proceed with the longest term first or is that up to our discretion that's normally up to your discretion but historically you have appointed the less the less term seat first and then you appointed the the higher seat from what I've reviewed in my notes so you would just say it was a five or a four in the South according who's nominated too because that seems to be a question too so I think you normally do it as like you said is your discretion but historically I noticed that you have done the last receipt first and the longer seat second I'm not sure that that's my recollection it seems like we often will start with the longer seat other countries you've been here longer than I have so I would I would support doing the longer seat first okay because yeah yeah I think that's we may have been

[91:01] inconsistent yeah right but um I think I think um Lauren's right I think it's better to start with the longer see is that all right with Council if we start with the longer seats okay okay all right very good uh well if we can dive into it then please and so we have the Arts commission we have a five-year term and a three-year term so I would accept nominations for the five-year term Bob I nominate Jeffrey cash for the five-year term okay any other nominations Rachel I thought maybe we needed a second um and I guess I just also wanted to make a pitch I might be at the wrong time here but sometimes we don't give long speeches with nominations and and given the you know a few applicants there are for somebody's boards I would say we don't maybe need to give nominating speeches this year not at all what how how about only if there is a contested nomination

[92:02] is that I mean people can say whatever they want right we can't force them to say or not I could talk for five minutes by Jeffrey cash but I'm not going to okay so we got one nomination at this point Lauren I'd like to nominate Cheryl Cardozo I'm not going to ask for further nominations so if you all would like to speak to your nominations briefly uh with Jeffrey's Jeffrey's been involved in our organizations and arts field here in Boulder for many many years and uh and also um has been involved in philanthropy on behalf of Arts organizations on behalf of the company that he works for so um I think he's going to be uniquely qualified to make decisions um to make arts grants to organizations here in town he's been doing it for many years already Lauren already on thank you um I really appreciated Cheryl's experience working with youth as an educator um and

[93:02] um I also thought she'd hit the nail on the head within her application when she recognized the cost of housing and venue space as major threats to our Arts community um and her definition of active engagement with communities that are up to underrepresented in our Arts Community was very aligned with our City's Equity goals great I'm just glad we get to appoint both of them yeah uh let's see so uh Alicia could we have a flip of the coin please drum roll please heads alphabetical tails reverse alphabetical it's tails we would go we would vote on Mr Cash first okay and uh Nicole and I can hear how you're really not feeling well and you have my sympathies and our sympathies but I think you're gonna have to keep your uh camera on for our hand votes uh okay so all in favor of Jeffrey cash raise your hand

[94:02] we've got five six okay so that's that I think what that means then is Jeffrey cash gets the five-year term and Cheryl Cardozo would get the three-year term do we need to vote to no okay let's I think it follows automatically at that point and John I'm keeping track of the appointments all right Board of zoning adjustment nominations Rachel I will nominate Drew Eisenberg any others seeing none well I did just want to not make a nomination but maybe appreciate the other candidate for their service I think Jack has done a really great job on this board um and you know my interest in

[95:01] not nominating but supporting Drew has more to do with um just making sure that there's a opportunity for people to rotate new people to rotate onto these our boards yep I agree Lauren and Jack has done a wonderful job and we really appreciate his service and I think in addition to what Lauren said there is has been at least a tradition on this Council that if a person has served a full five-year term and if there is another applicant that we tend to pick that other applicant for the reasons that Lauren stayed in I'll Echo that and thank Jack for his five years of service and seeing no other nominations than Drew Eisenberg is a point will be appointed to a five-year term next okay we got cannabis licensing Advisory board so these are two five-year seats but they're with different qualifications so I'm going to start us off with seat number three which must be for a marijuana or hemp business owner nominations

[96:00] Matt I nominate Ethan Daniel any others seeing none Ethan Daniel will get the marijuana business owner seat and now we have seat five uh this person must have a health or education background I got Tara and then Rachel I want to nominate Thomas kuntzman so we're going to say Rachel anything Lauren I'd like to nominate Penny Friedberg yes none um Tara would you like to speak to your nomination okay I don't really feel good maybe uh Rachel wants to give it a try um yeah I think that

[97:00] um Thomas kuntzman Dr kunzman probably uh has done a really good job on the board and we only created that board three years ago so he has not gotten a full five-year term yet so this is a bit unlike uh the situation where you're renewing someone for a five-year term where they've already served and that that board has been um had some Growing Pains I would say they had uh some turnover early on in the chair position um and and we are getting ready to so I think um look at some some bigger issues coming out of the board with hospitality and things so I think it makes sense to keep some um keep building on the institutional knowledge there while it's still finding its footing and and he's done a great job thanks Lauren thank you I I do know Penny personally um she is on our HOA board and one of the things that I really appreciate if you've ever served on an HOA board you know how fraught those

[98:01] situations can be and one of the things that I really appreciate her about her is her ability to um bring calm and understanding and especially as we have some difficult issues coming forward on this board um I think that she would be a great fit I also really appreciate her more holistic health background very good so Alicia clarification are we switching order only every contested vote when there's more than one person nominated so then we would go in alphabetical order this time yes sir very good so all in favor of Penny Friedberg that is two and so Thomas kunstman would have seven so Thomas will get the health education spot right I do as Lauren did with the last board when I say that all the applications of the applicants even if

[99:01] not nominated were really outstanding and I think that's probably true for everyone we're going to be talking about tonight so I hope that people will feel free to reapply next year because there have been some really good applicants that aren't getting appointed agreed well said okay now we've got design Advisory Board now per our previous discussion I think we're going to do a five-year term and then the four-year remainder of the what would have been the term for the other seat so we will start with a five-year term yes Lauren he hasn't had a chance oh I didn't see your hand thank you I was blocking you know I would like to nominate thank you should be true a bunch any other nominations uh okay well you haven't said anything yet Junior do you want to speak to your yes okay thank you well I think he would be a great addition to the design Advisory

[100:01] Board because of his work experience and also passion he has over 20 years of work experience as an architect and he's had his own practice for 18 years and as part of our conversation when I asked them what was one of the main issues here in Boulder he talked about affordable housing and he also you know he talked as well about sustainability in the environment so he's someone I believe he would be a great addition to the board because of his prior work experience and also understanding what is going on in the community so I think it'd be a great addition thank you or gonna do the same thing I did last time um so even though I'm not nominating Rory I do want to really appreciate him for the service I know that we have two seats but just because we are only voting on The Five-Year seat and we'll probably appoint by acclimation at the other one um Rory has been a great board

[101:00] member I had the pleasure of serving with him on design Advisory Board and um he did serve a full term I believe and so this is sort of more in the spirit of ensuring that we do get a variety of different points of view on our boards and commissions I just have to chime in and think Rory for his service looking forward to pointing him to a four-year term and then I've known Stephen uh personally and professionally for about 20 years and can vouch for the high quality of him as an individual and as an architect and very excited to get him on the sport so seeing no other nominations last call that means that we have Stephen for the five years and Rory blissikovich for the four years okay environmental Advisory Board oh I'm sorry I should be specific five-year term nominations for the

[102:00] five-year term I'm happy to nominate Alexandra Bothwell the others good well it looks like then by acclimation we have Alexandra for the five-year term and Michael San Clements for the one-year term do we want to do you want to do it again Lauren I believe that Michael has also had a full five-year term already and I'm grateful that he reapplied because otherwise we would have an open seat I'm so happy to be reappointing him to a one-year term um and and look forward to his continued Service as well and congratulations to Alexandra this appointment process is being pretty nasty so far if people could stop the personal attacks on each other and on the candidates I'm sure we'll get some disagreements here uh at some point okay housing Advisory Board we've got a five-year

[103:00] term and a one-year term uh Bob for the five-year term I nominee Karen klerman no they're not I've got a nomination I'm going to wait till the next round but I'd like to nominate Karen Hoskin forget any other nominations Nicole sorry I'd like to know Yvonne Durbin very good um any other we still got two other people probably once through nope okay so people would like to speak in order Bob yeah I've had the pleasure of serving on the um for three years on the boulder housing Partners board with Karen clearman she was actually chair during the time I was on the board Karen has deep deep knowledge on housing having served on the older housing Partners board for many many years and she has a deep deep knowledge of Finance matters

[104:00] as serving as a senior officer with Wells Fargo and so I can't imagine a resume that's and she's just a super super nice person so I can't imagine a resume better suited to help us navigate our housing challenges which both have housing components and financial commence so I think Karen would be ideal I think these other candidates are also great and I know that we'll be putting at least one other to a one-year term but I I think Karen is the uh is the superlative candidate here so I don't have my full notes with me and I'm going to be doing this for memory so I apologize if I get something wrong or miss something but um I would um I'm supporting Karen because I know her personally through a communications class actually I took through the city but um also through her position with um Board of

[105:00] the co-housing board for the co-housing U.S thank you for which she served as the Director and also her lived experience in co-housing um I think that she has a variety of skills and a diverse background in housing types that we don't always have as much experience with so I look forward I'm appreciate her applying and would like to nominate her for those reasons great uh and Nicole thank you and I unfortunately am not going to do Yvonne her do given that I can't speak for too long without coffee but um I just really appreciated um Yvonne's work particularly around affordable housing and economic development I think having some kind of fresh eyes on on our city and some of our policies

[106:00] can be helpful and I also just appreciate the work that she's doing across the state in terms of Economic Development opportunities thank you great and so I think we'll probably only have one round of speeches before we go to a couple rounds of voting um so I'll just go ahead and chime in here I I was also impressed by Yvonne uh she has some really interesting ideas and backgrounds and and I uh will not be uh voting for her this evening but look forward to her reapplying to housing or something else another board next year because I think she could help our city very well um and Karen Hosk and I've had the pleasure of knowing for a number of years uh also both personally and professionally and her lived experience is an affordable housing resident as well as with different kinds of housing organizations like The Coho us that you mentioned I think will serve the city extremely well and then uh we're fortunate that Karen clearman applied to this board she has spent years working

[107:02] on improving housing in our community including Boulder housing partner board for many years so looking forward to getting some great folks appointed all right so I believe we're in Reverse alphabetical order this time all right very good uh so Karen clearman see we got I think is that six okay very good so Karen clearman gets the first spot uh for five years and then we're gonna go in alphabetical this time so Yvonne Durbin I got one where's the oh there's Nicole sorry Nicole I didn't see your hand first two for Yvonne so Karen Hoskin gets the one year turn okay great so that was a song to human relations commission we got two seats uh the first

[108:01] one is a five-year term nominations Matt sorry I'd like to nominate uh fakira Jacob for the five-year term uh did great on that first year that we appointed him last year so I think allowing a full term is is absolutely appropriate and well deserved I like how you got that nomination and the speech and read all at the same time very efficient any other nominations all right seeing none that gives secure the five-year term and Anna the one-year term and unless anybody has anything else to say no very good that gives us human relations landmarks board so we have two seats open here and one applicant and here I guess we do have a bit of a decision because John Decker qualifies for both The Five-Year professional seat and also the one-year

[109:00] um General seat but I guess I'll start with the The Five-Year professional seat and see if he gets a nomination here since we're starting with the longer terms yes Bob I'll nominate John Decker and I have a very long speech to read any other nominations before Bob's long speech can I take over the nomination so we can forego the long speech I have not been okay see I mean seeing no objections um then we can grant John the the five-year term and thank him for reapplying he's done a great job on that board so far Library commission we have one five-year term I got Tara I nominate Moon Gilbert I know her she's awesome she's really dedicated to libraries did my speech and all she's a a professional in the

[110:00] publishing business she knows so much about libraries and as well as the publishing business that's all I can say for now very good uh any other nominations seeing none uh congrats to Miriam for the library commission and I'll just make a note if if Miriam or anyone else interested in library is is listening the library commission we still have to determine its final fate but it will most likely not be doing much after a year from now when the library district is fully formed so if folks are interested in participating in the future of the library district the application period is open right now for the library district trustees so encourage you to go find that out on the severe the Cummings website okay that brings us to open space we got one five-year term available Robinson any other nominations Lauren

[111:00] I'll nominate Mason Roberts the others yourself how can I actually yield Rachel do you want to speak to this one I I can give it a try I I didn't uh draft anything um but you know I knew several of the candidates for open space board and and um was was probably not expecting to support Brady at the beginning of this process and then uh had a lengthy conversation with him and um watched his Ted Talk and reviewed his application and and I just feel like we're very lucky that someone of of that caliber of expertise in open space you know nationally and internationally um is is willing to give their time and so I feel grateful that he has applied and uh hope we appoint him before

[112:00] um I just appreciated sort of the detail with which Mason linked his ideas to our existing open space um long-term plan as well as just the his the really robust knowledge of the ongoing issues that um our open space board is facing both recent past and upcoming um so for someone who hasn't served on a board or commission he clearly did a lot of research to come very prepared to our interview and application process and I'm going to call on myself here because this is a tough one we've got a lot of really well qualified applicants so I had a chance to speak with Mason as well and was really impressed with his deep familiarity with open space issues and I know would do a good job on the board I will be supporting Brady Robinson this evening because of the depth of his resume and how many different projects on what how many

[113:01] different very high levels he's worked on issues related to open space and as Rachel mentioned him I think he'll serve extremely well on the board and then just also wanted to give a shout out Harmon Zuckerman had an excellent application and has served the city well in the past on on planning board uh so appreciate his application as well as John gerstel's for his many years of service on the city's planning board the County Planning Commission and a variety of other service in our community and that brings us to a vote unless anybody else says anything else say where where are we now Alicia alphabetically uh all in favor of Mason Roberts we got three so that gives the seat to Brady thanks to all the applicants there Parks and Rec Advisory Board we've got two five-year terms for this one and so I'll just start with seat number

[114:00] three uh the first five year term man I'd like to nominate Andrew Bernstein other nominations seeing none Andrew gets the first seat by acclimation so I will now reopen the nominations for the second five-year term somebody step up here Rachel I'll nominate Anna Seeger she has been very active in advocating my whole time on Council for um the the uh focus on equity in our parks department especially for kids uh and I happen to know Anna and um I think she'd bring a real strong Equity lens to the board Tara I'm going to nominate uh Jennifer Robbins

[115:00] um do my speech now I was really impressed with her desire to work on facilities and maintenance as one of the key components of you know good uh parks department and also her dedication to children she was with the Girl Scouts I really enjoyed her interview very much so I nominate her any others uh see none I believe were reverse alphabetical at this point that is correct all in favor of Anna Seeger that would be six so the seat goes to Anna and thanks thanks to all the other applicants we had a lot of great people here planning board one five-year term I got Matt and Rachel there do you all want to arm wrestle for that

[116:02] I'll let Matt have it I'm just very excited for this uh board um I nominate uh Kurt nordback um I'll be brief but by no way is my briefness an indication of just how qualified and awesome Kurt's going to be but Kurt has been steadfast on just about everything in our built environment in many ways knows Title IX better than uh just about anybody in the community and so just a wealth of experience and knowledge and perspective so I think Kurt would be tremendous great Tara is that a new hand okay any other nominations seeing none that's Curt by acclimation and I'm also excited about this appointment because it's extremely knowledgeable in these areas and it will benefit a lot from his expertise Transportation Advisory Board One five-year term and Bob goes right up well I um I had the honor of nominating last year uh Trini willerton to a

[117:00] one-year term we had a stub term last year and and uh we were able to get a training in on that I'm so I'm delighted to nominate Trini for a full five-year term I think many of you know the Trini um almost died in a automobile incident uh and she let started an organization called um it could be me and uh I think I can't think of anybody in our community that would be better um uh to represent us on the transportation board than somebody who is fighting for the rights of of all people who are um transporting across our our community regardless of the mode section of them other nominations seeing none it goes to Trinity and I'm also very grateful for her service and that she stepped up to serve for a longer term we're very fortunate all right we got one appointment uh for a five-year term to grab nominations come on you can do it Bob well no I wasn't going out can we make official nominate Lauren

[118:02] sorry do you want to say a couple words I don't want to look no Lauren's great and I think we're lucky to have her the Greek then by acclimation Lauren has the seat and that brings us to the end of that one that was by far the quickest and smoothest boards and commission's appointment I've participated in in eight years thanks everyone for your very civil and expedient way working on this Matt I'd like to express how emotionally damaged I am through this process and how exhausted and beat up I feel so no in all seriousness um this was this was just I wish we had more applicants is the only thing about this process that I would say is is a frustration but I think we have some work to do I think it'll be great to work with staff in the community to sort of build our pool of candidates and certainly if we do a mid-year appointment and into next year

[119:00] I will just throw in a plug not that it would have even applied this year because it was so brief and easy but I would love us to consider using instant runoff ranked Choice voting four boards and commission appointments I see our clerk is just exuberant in her excitement for that recommendation uh anyway so I'll just throw that out there there's some great tools to use and it would be a way for us and the community to further vet and and display that voting method uh but we can save that for maybe a mid-year or next year's appointments I'm guessing somebody's very um in the Weeds on ranked Choice voting at the moment and now let's just let me get the process down back first before we start moving it to other areas Rachel I'm struggling to be seen over Matt sometimes I don't know like how to uh I just wanted to reiterate my gratitude for everyone who applied and um and invite people to reapply next year

[120:00] and it was a little frustrating this year that we had um some boards with a lot of great applicants and so I would encourage people also to think about applying next year for more than one board if they're interested because that helps us to get great people in positions where they can help the city so thanks to everyone who applied and please come back Bob and then Lauren we're getting less expedient here by the minute no sorry well I'm actually trying to kill time because I predicted an 8 45 end of this meeting and at the speed we're going right now we're going to end sooner than that so I'm just trying to kill some time here talk really slowly because we only have one more item but actually I was seriously I did have something for Nuria um uh I think we're all aware of the fact that we had probably fewer applicants this year than we've had in Prior years and I think there's actually been a trend the last two or three years and that signals to us that there's maybe something um not right or not entirely inviting or welcoming to for our boards and commissions process and really I wonder if you could I know that you're about to

[121:00] launch a bit of a process to evaluate our boards and commissions um you know it could be anything from do we have too many do are the terms too long those types of things could you speak a little bit as we kill time here so I can get my 845 prediction about what you're going to be doing here um to help us maybe evaluate our boards and commissions holistically sounds good and as I do that maybe I'll invite staff to transition so that we get to the next issue as well um so uh a couple things we have talked about boards and commissions for a while and uh we are going to be thank you John uh we are going to be um having a consultant take a look at that um the issue of boards and commissions and uh is not new to cities um there are certainly some Consultants that have looked at a variety of issues whether our city has too many in which case that pool starts to wane because it is a time commitment looking at the terms as you mentioned because a five-year term is indeed a commitment and a lot of other cities have gone to one two or three year terms to alleviate

[122:02] that because it is or can be daunting to some to to commit to a five-year term there are other issues that I know staff is looking at as well and while these are voluntary boards are there additional ways to support uh from stipends to potential child care to um parking to Transportation those are all items that other cities certainly have struggled with those all come with a price tag as well and the more commissions and and members that you have the more that price tag goes up and so those are decisions that we'll be bringing forward as we move as we bring that to you the other question I know that other cities and this will be something that we hope that a consultant will help us with is really looking at the scope of the boards there are some boards that really might have overlapping Scopes and that would be a really interesting opportunity to think of do we really need to rethink and maybe eliminate two to create one that actually has

[123:00] um sort of a different or a broader level of scope just because of the nature of the issue so I think everything is on the table we always welcome your thoughts as we're moving forward but we will have a consultant excuse me a consultant to help us think through some of those issues and bring those to you for further consideration thanks Maria what's your timing on that um I actually I don't recall right now I'm thinking it's sometime towards the latter part of the year but I can certainly get back to you do you think it might we might be uh possibly okay thank you sir Lauren and then Tara and I say a minute so I get we have it sounds like we typically have around 90 applicants and I think we had closer to 60 but then 19 of them were disqualified could you maybe talk a little bit about you know if that number of applicants that weren't qualified as typical and or also

[124:02] um reasons for those disqualifications yes I can start that and John if you want to add anything please feel free to it is typical we normally have about a 10 percent um group or 10 amount of applications that are deemed ineligible most of those are due to residency requirements or the special condition requirements because unfortunately when people fill out the application of course sometimes they may miss something and not include something and so once we revet re-vet the applications we usually go back to the applicants and if they can Rectify it like perfect example is if you're not a owner of a business you can be a represent representative so that would mean you would need to have a letter accompany your application so we did that in you know a couple of cases this year so that seems to be another one of those issues but it's mostly

[125:00] because again residencies or they don't meet the special qualifications thank you I had one other question which is how for our Outreach efforts this year how did those compare to our Outreach efforts um in previous years clearly I transitioned too soon thank you Jim uh just to add to Alicia's remarks the one other requirement we have that has been disqualifying people is a one-year residency requirements that's something we also have to look at um in terms of our recruitment we followed past precedent uh and I anticipated this question to come so we we hit it in the memo a little bit but just for the public listening and staff to outline kind of how we do things um basically the way we start you know we have our timeline December 19th to January 30th and we just immediately reach out to our Communications and engagement department and they just

[126:00] start to hit the airwaves on all our social medias the major ones Facebook LinkedIn uh Twitter uh next door and they during that they're putting out notifications before during and right before the conclusion of our recruitment in addition to that our Communications team has published an online news article they've also sent out advertisements in the city e-newsletter in mailed newsletters we also include temporary ribbons on multiple City websites including the city council website the clerk's website boards and commissions website vol to your website events website and from there Channel 8 that's playing this has a ribbon for boards and commissions going uh continuously throughout the entirety of recruitment we had physical Flyers placed at our recreation centers in the municipal building and then lastly we notify our boarding commission secretaries and Liaisons to tell their boards internally

[127:00] we're recruiting to reapply and to get the word out I know previously we had discussed um on the boards and commission subcommune subgroup um sort of reaching out specifically to like for Boza or dab um to professional related industry related groups things like that is and I think we had done that last year to some extent is that something we did this year and is that maybe something we should talk about working with our boards and commissions to come up with a more concrete list that we might so it's because I feel like that we don't necessarily see a lot of consistency there like I don't I didn't see it in the AIA Colorado this year what we've normally done in the past is rely on the boards and commission

[128:00] secretaries and Liaisons and their board members to to actually give us suggestions or go ahead and put that information out to those particular organizations because with 20 boards and commissions it would be hard for us to actually Wrangle that information and actually respond to it so we do rely on them to actually promote that kind of campaign but of course if we did get a list and we could assist in any way we would but again we do rely on them for that thank you Matt and then Rachel um thanks John for that update I mean it's pretty comprehensive the the work that we're doing I I would say there's maybe a couple places I didn't hear so if we're doing it awesome but just for clarity one would be is we have some very active Civic groups in our community and so I think that if there's ways in which we could maybe directly partner with them to do some specific Recruitment and whether that's just helping them with messaging or getting it out or or maybe hosting some sort of just q a about boards and commissions or

[129:00] or something like that you know I think of some of our groups like you know plan Boulder or better Boulder and some of them uh you know that have been active and Community cycles and Sierra Club those groups and there's many others but maybe those would be just a helpful way to because they've got a engaged membership and so I think those would be helpful the other one I didn't hear and I want to check on is are we leveraging our community connectors to do some of that really sort of deeper Outreach to sort of help find some recruits to folks that otherwise either might have barriers or entry or just not quite know through our normal communicating channels that we've got openings and would value their input I do I do know we have been working with our comms department and I know they have been asking for the assistance of the community connectors now to what level I we don't know but we have been working with comms and they have been our primary resource for what we wanted to get out there and how fast we wanted to get it out there and and how much we wanted to get it out there so we will work with the suggestions that we have been given by Council to maybe possibly

[130:00] build that type of list or maybe work more closely with the boards and commission Liaisons and see if we can at least Beef It Up for these midterm recruitment I want to say I I think everybody's a little frustrated that the numbers were low this year but I think it's kind of awesome I think it's a chance for us to like flip the script and and say wow this isn't working um and and I think what a my first week on Council I talked with the former city manager about like could we have our boards and commissions members have like we get you know Eco passes and Rec Center passes or at least email addresses and the answer uh was no like not even the emails so you know I think we could what's up okay great yeah we got one um so uh there there's not a lot of of um you know I guess benefits sometimes

[131:02] to being a board member for a a hard job and I think it's even harder in this current political environment where you know often things turn toxic so I will say um I'm I'm glad that we have a chance to you know with the Consultants regroup and reorient and I think that a lot of a lot of previous board recruitment came from people like us and I don't think that's the best way to do it because then we're getting people who look and think like us and it's not a diverse pool of candidates and it's not people that are really representative of the community so I I love it that we kind of failed this year and and um and not in the people that we pointed but in the recruitment process to get a lot of people to apply so um onward to a much much more diverse broad Outreach however that looks thanks I think that uh going back to what I agree with you 100 Rachel I think going back to something Lauren said is there are specific boards that really do not

[132:01] get a big turnout in terms of candidates and dab design Advisory Board I think for a few few years now correct Lauren they haven't gotten a lot of um we haven't even been able to fill that one seat right so in terms of the boards that have the we have the hardest time maybe we can look at the um different professional organizations especially when the requirements are specific and not just community members you know we struggle uh we'll we we just struggle in those areas especially that's the first thing I want to say the second thing is is I'm wondering if somebody can talk about mid-year Recruitment and we are we desperately need people because we can start right now and asking people if they consider um to be on our boards for the mid-year recruitment I'm hoping that somebody can say what that is uh yes so the first thing that will happen tomorrow is we'll be sending emails you know congratulating people on

[133:00] their appointments tonight and then vice versa we'll be sending emails to the people who weren't appointed and then also encourage them to apply for the remaining vacancies coming up um which some of them do have requirements such as being a property owner a representative that will be sure to specify in that I have heard through the grapevine we have some interested uh in the uni Hill Board so that looks like at least one we can fill but hopefully we can strive to get a few more on there and Tara just to add to that the mid-year recruitment will reopen the boards that have still have current vacancies because you name what they are real quick uh let me pull that up for you you don't have it close to you no I have it I had it open and then I closed it always emote um we have beverage licensing Authority

[134:00] Boulder Junction Essex access districts both parking and travel demand the downtown management commission and University Hill and then we also have several boards that um probably a couple of boards I do remember that we only had one applicant for tonight that we will reopen where there might be another seat that is available this process but no those were all great comments and we'll all continue to look for ways to improve these recruiting processes I do just want to absolutely celebrate though the Fantastic set of candidates that we have selected to go on these boards so uh no failure here I think we've got a bunch of really wonderful people and from a process perspective do we not need a motion to adopt this uh security say that sir we do need an emotion okay

[135:01] and um Terry you have your hand up again before we go to that sorry just real quick I have to actually uh leave early tonight so I just wanted to alert Council and community and staff on that thanks for the heads up but stay stick it out for this one vote though please uh so I would like to make a motion to appoint this uh Suite of candidates to the boards as and may I make a one one little statement in support of my motion just to further tank your prediction of efficiency um I don't know if it happened while I was in the back room but I wanted to say a huge thank you to the staff who were involved in this they they've done a lot of of changing in the last few years and um the process is getting better and better so if we can get people to apply they're gonna love it and you and and John you all have done a really good job and and we're at all of those interviews which took a really long time and and I watched all of you being very patient and helpful and with us and with the

[136:00] candidates so thank you all you're here Lauren I would like to second the motion and those sentiments is this a show of hands I would prefer a roll call if you don't mind I defer to you absolutely and I also want to say thank you to council for your support and your appreciation and just reacting to our demands to sign up for you know interviews and taking the time to do the interviews it was a pleasure working with you this year on it and I'm glad that we are narrowing down our process and things are going smoothly all right we'll start tonight's appointment of the 2023 boarding commission candidates and nominees with council member friend yes Joseph yeah spear yes mayor Pro Tim Wallick yes

[137:00] councilmember weiner yes Yates yes Benjamin yes mayor Brockett yes and council member Focus yes the 2023 board and commission appointments are hereby approved as noted unanimously fantastic and just another enormous thank you to John and Elisha and everyone else who's involved in this was a huge amount of work and it went very smoothly because I'm very grateful thank you thank you all right before we move on actually I'm going to call out one thing from um earlier this evening on our consent agenda we adopted some changes to our rules and procedures about what to do if the mayor and the mayor Pro tem are not present at the meeting and so if in that case then the last serving mayor Pro tem steps in and if that person is not available then the current third person on CAC steps in and we exclude remote people from running in-person meetings and the reason I bring this up is

[138:00] because I'm going to step out and get a snack and Mark is remote so Rachel you're in charge for the moment as you all kick off your presentation so right thank you we sure Emily do you need to kick us off on the item or shall we just go I'm happy to introduce it I thought the mayor had introduced it my apologies thank you Nuri I thought the mayor had introducer had to go to the ladies room all right our next item is six on tonight's agenda 6A the library general fund budget reallocation update and discussion thank you so much and I will not speak because I don't want to jeopardize uh councilmember Yates predictions and so I will send it directly to Mark wolf we were a bit worried following words and commissions and what shape you all might be in but it looks good right now so I'm happy to be with you I'm Mark

[139:01] wolf budget officer and I'm joined this evening by Sarah Hancock principal budget analyst we are discussing the reallocation of Library budget funds when we last spoke with Council in August about this process it was prior to the vote to create the library district and since then we've gone through a fairly extensive process internal and with the financial strategy committee and are at a good inflection point in that process to come back to you get some feedback on where we're at and some proposed next steps next slide all right so just to recap a little bit of information on this slide on the left you'll see the library budget for 2023 that is about 11 million dollars for for 2023 you'll see within that Library budget is about 1.8 million dollars in the library fund that

[140:02] Library fund was supported by a .33 dedicated property tax that was repealed last year associated with the creation of the Library District uh 2023 is a transition year the city is continuing to operate the library as a service on behalf of the district while the district goes through the process of establishing a Board of Trustees and moving towards being fully operational in 2024. while the exact timing of a transition and repayment of these Services being provided on behalf of the district are subject to negotiation through an intergovernmental agreement it is anticipated that approximately 10 million dollars or so will be available for reallocation beginning in 2024. and to take you through the process to date so again we last spoke with you in August voters weighed in in November and

[141:00] then we met with the financial strategy Committee in December and January to review a prioritization process and criteria to review funding needs so we went through the process of of seeking information from departments you're familiar with looking at unfunded needs we did that again with some Nuance that Sarah is going to take us through and as we went through with the criteria guiding our process there were several policy issues that were raised and essentially got us to a point where we wanted to learn more do a bit more analysis and discuss those in particular before making meaningful recommendations on prioritization so that's kind of where we're at Sarah's going to take you through how we got there preview those or run through those different policy issues talk through how we'd like to approach them and then we'll be seeking your feedback on our action steps Okay so thank you so much oh I didn't expect that to be so loud

[142:01] um so uh just kicking you off with um how we approach the process uh we definitely cast a wide net in thinking about the unfunded needs that we had we recognized that there were a lot of needs that bar exceeded the available funding 10 million dollars isn't that much in this in the grand scheme so part of what we wanted to do was align that with our budget process and really think through how we could get down to the programs that were most aligned with our need to advance Equitable delivery of services and then further vet them to really understand how those needs best aligned with Library allocation so we thought it was really helpful to focus on that Equitable delivery of services especially because these are ongoing dollars and we think it's a really unique opportunity and we recognize it's a unique opportunity to fund some things on that ongoing basis

[143:02] so to get a little bit more into detail about how we actually collected the information some of this will be familiar we did ask departments to provide us with additional needs that they had and we really wanted to look at this inventory and refine it based on the the equity that I mentioned earlier from that point we did have some input from FSC on some criteria and prioritization and I'll review those in just a moment but to really get a good idea of how these fit into a more a criteria that was a little more structured and then we also um you know part of what came out of that was that it was a good starting place but there were lots of questions that started to come up the qualitative review the the questions about prioritization and and thinking about how to take such a big need and funnel

[144:00] it down to just these dollars big can to bring up lots of policy issues that we wanted to seek guidance from from Council on so that's where we are today I'm wanting to review those policy areas with you guys so the criteria that we use to look at these programs that were provided by the Departments uh were really focused on the immediate need and the type of need but also how they fit in with our Equity uh resiliency framework as well as that Equitable delivery of services so we looked at the timeliness of the needs that were provided by the departments were the immediate needs were they ready to be invested immediately uh what kind of ongoing funding sources these were I mean we were really looking at uh the this is that unique opportunity to continue to fund something on an ongoing basis so we really wanted to look at those that were long-term Investments

[145:01] the type of need that um that we had them aligned with were really this should be somewhat familiar core operational you know those immediate we have to get them done but then also looking at whether or not their program expansions um you know based on established policy or if these are completely new programs that represent emerging needs in the community we also wanted to see what connections these programs had with our sare goals and what kind of impact and Analysis departments had done to understand the outcomes the intended outcomes for these programs and then once again just really targeting those that meet our racial Equity goals and understanding how these are addressing those needs in the community so to step back out and look at what was actually submitted at a very high level we did receive 74 individual funding needs from the Departments they totaled

[146:00] just shy of 30 million dollars and the majority of those were related to ongoing needs so the Departments really did think thoughtfully about those ongoing needs and didn't just give us one-time dollar items additionally the 1.4 million associated with one-time needs were for the most part associated with those ongoing needs so maybe something that needed to be purchased in the first year but then would just need that ongoing support in future years there's also a breakdown here of how the department self-identified what type of need this was so you can see that over half of the Departments identified these as core service needs and then about 30 percent identified them as service needs that were associated with established policy but maybe they wanted to enhance that program so the next piece is really going to be getting into these policy issues I'm going to start at a high level and I promise we'll dive into it a little bit

[147:00] but what came up were these four areas they some of them overlap depending on what the particular program was from the department but overall we realized that these actually presented a pretty strategic opportunity for us to start thinking about what information could We Gather to make very thoughtful decisions about how these funds are spent especially because they are it is a very small dollar amount in the grand scheme of of our entire budget so these policy issues were formulated with FSC feedback so some of you may see this as familiar but the first one was focused on our core operations and some of the master planning that has happened were used as the bolster for those and I'll talk a little bit more in detail about that um we also recognize that there were lots of dedicated funding and other funding mechanisms kind of embedded in these programs and just needed to

[148:00] understand a little bit more about how the different funding mechanisms interact with this general fund uh pot of money uh there were requests related to arpa and other one-time funded programs and then there were also other funding needs that we just felt we needed to explore that didn't necessarily come through the departmental process of collecting that information so I'm going to go into each of these policy areas and then also talk you through the action steps that we've identified to try to remedy the policy areas and get some guidance moving forward so the first policy area is related to those core operations and they all all of the ones that we've identified that fall into this area point to some sort of master plan or policy adoption that is guiding um the program so a couple of examples of requests that we received facilities maintenance and operation support as you know we have a backlog of facilities maintenance they did ask for two to four

[149:01] percent replacement value or an investment in replacement value but for this particular request it was isolated to new buildings so this brought up a lot of questions right we have a backlog we're also in the middle of understanding building consolidation and the implications of that so once again just wanted to get into a little bit more detail about that Parks and Rec maintenance is another example um you know we have lots of Maintenance funding needs across the parks and recreation properties and then we also have the long-term Recreation activity fund sustain ability question which overlaps with our dedicated funding policy area so just lots of questions that we that were coming up as we were reviewing these so the action steps that we've identified to kind of answer these questions are first to review all of our accepted plans and try to understand the level of investment that they are they're requesting or that they are calling for and then also understand that full operational need as well as

[150:01] how that impacts the master plan and then using that consideration of the total need develop that recommendation for what um what programs best fit in with this funding mechanism the second policy area is dedicated Another funding analysis so as you know we have a very diverse funding stream we have lots of different places that funds come from and so some of these programs overlapped with uh general fund as well as just those very specific uh you know dedicated funds that call for certain uses of those funds so some examples are we have Parks and Recreation maintenance Transportation maintenance Planning and Development Wildfire resilience these are all programs that do have dedicated funding sources so this was where we thought it might be good to take a good look at how these different funding sources how healthy they are what the

[151:00] Outlook is for them and if the library funding is actually the right mechanism or the right lever to pool for these type of programs there's other analysis that we wanted to get into as well there's some staffing level analysis going on in the fire master plan we've got other plan components that are being explored there we're in the process of rolling out our underserved Business program and that's still in the early stages in addition to that there's just other Revenue sources out there including federal tax credits and then we also have several of our programs that were submitted through this process include youth activities and we know that we have some funds that are set aside through the Bronco sales proceeds that might be a good fit for that so once again just thinking about the different levers we could pull so the action steps to kind of get us to a good place to make recommendations in this area we're already in the process of doing this so we've begun we've begun reviewing our dedicated Revenue spending

[152:01] restrictions we are starting to compile Charter ballot and code restriction language and just also understanding any formal or informal um policies that might be driving how we're utilizing our dedicated spending and then we want to compare those restrictions to how we're actually spending and budgeting that those funds and then also analyze our fund financials and really understand how healthy all of these dedicated funds are in the long term which we believe really aligns with the call for this long-term Financial strategy strategy and really supporting good healthy revenues for the for the city our third policy area is arpa funded and other pilot programs there were quite a few programs that were provided to us that really spoke to these one-time piloted programs that have different timing implications some of which are going to sunset in terms of funding

[153:00] on in 2026 because that's when the arpa funding sunsets some of them are uh you know have certain time frames where we begin the funding so for example building home we have funding through 2025 possibly through 2026. we also have some other items there are piloted right now that we did through one-time dollars in the previous budget budget cycle so the day Services Center Behavioral Health programming safe and managed public spaces program these are all one-time dollar Investments so we want to look a little bit more into the timing implications as well as the outcome implications um you know how how much of a need is there how do we continue to understand that emerging need for these programs and how well they're doing and how effective they are and you know kind of just really understanding the positive impact they're having on our communities so the action items that we have proposed to examine these programs for permanent funding are to compile comprehensive lists of pilot programs

[154:01] which we actually have also already begun we have a really good idea of how many of those we have out there and then really understand the intent added outcomes that they have and how they align to this air goals and luckily because the circles are very much a part of how we're operating now in our organization a lot of the arpa funded in particular have already begun that alignment so we feel like we have a pretty good foundation and then also just review the method of data collection and how we're analyzing these pilot programs and then utilize all that information to make recommendations for those um those programs in the Bund and the budget cycle um with the caveat that some of these have different timing implications once again some have funding that start in two years so we might not necessarily need that funding until the third year kind of thing and then finally uh and this is the shortest one I promise um we want to look at potential other needs that are not captured in this process departments did a great job of

[155:02] providing us lots of programs that were underfunded or unfunded um and we just recognized that there were some things that might have slipped through the cracks and we wanted to acknowledge those and make sure that they were included in consideration so that it you know some ideas that came up in discussion were snow removal ice operations we know that Street Route Paving is always going to be something that comes up continued support of City staff and then just other arpa funded initiatives that were not submitted through this process so we would just really like to make sure we have a good idea of what these needs are and align them to our prioritization process in the 24 budget so I'm going to hand it back to you mark after I've talked quite a bit thank you all right so our proposed approach I'll just summarize what Sarah spoke to that we'd like to continue to refine the prioritization uh with the 2024 budget process so we think we can make a lot of progress um within those action steps there are a

[156:00] lot of them but we do think it will be meaningful to prioritizing These funds in the 2024 budget we'll establish some of that policy Direction based off of that within the recommended budget and be seeking your feedback as we go through that process there's a couple different ways we'll highlight it over the next several months one I just wanted to point out is that we did have a little discussion with Council back in our last budget process about having a A Better Community engagement process as we approach the 2024 budget we are planning that for this year specifically in an early window working with Community connectors to get some feedback on priorities so we plan to discuss this library reallocation prioritization and then again in August both with Community connectors and a lot larger Community engagement through our opengov platform so a couple different ways to engage there that we think will be helpful for both this process and also the 2024 budget and then lastly we'll be working with

[157:01] the financial strategy committee as we approach the recommended budget date release which is currently scheduled for September 1st and then the last thing I'll mention before we get to questions is just we had a really interesting conversation uh productive conversation with financial strategy committee yesterday about a longer term Financial strategy and so we think all of these policy issues are really elements of that that's probably coming later this year into early next year but I think it really sets the foundation for understanding what's a healthy Revenue mix that really complements all of our budgeting for resilience work in in looking at how we spend our money and making sure that our dollars have the impact that we're really seeking all right so uh questions a few of them and happy to take them in whatever order is productive starting with a question about our approach in refining the funding priorities based on the further research analysis and Community feedback does council agree with our recommended approach to seeking Community connectors

[158:00] feedback related to this process does council support the approach of revisiting the priorities during the budget process and then lastly and I think we're really interested in this question as well is are there any gaps that you see other policy issues that we didn't raise or other funding needs that we should really be focused on as we approach that 2024 budget process so much for that marking that for that excellent presentation by the both of you really really appreciate that was very thorough and good information so what I might suggest is um I appreciate the detailed questions which we've absorbed maybe we can start with any questions that we have for you and then I just might invite Council to have give broad feedback on whatever portion of the work that you're doing that they might be interested in so uh questions okay the questions section is gonna be very short general questions or addressing those that was questions for City staff do we have questions for City staff

[159:00] it looks like we don't so now I'll invite feedback from Council on the information that we've just received in kind of any bucket that you might choose Rachel I figured my hand would be up for a while so um I'll go I guess I'm I'm maybe a little bit confused at this whole conversation because it you know 10 million feels like such a drop in the bucket for our budget that for us to be looking at this Library reallocation um but separately when we're going to fold it into the 2024 budget feels um maybe like an exercise in futility for staff and us so I just throw that out there um in terms of uh prioritizing um I want to note that we many of us had a participated in a tribal consultation over the last few days which was um really awesome and you know gave us a lot of food food for thought and and I I

[160:01] haven't processed it well enough to like know exactly how to draw it broadly into this discussion but we'll just maybe invite others to filter it and I also happen to have seen Jane Goodall last night and and she recommended that that you know when you're making decisions you sort of think about how how it will impact people animals and the environment um and I haven't quite had time to integrate that yet but I would just invite us to to think broadly about um our our budget and our processes and our thinking um as an example from the tribal consultation I I noticed a bridge that was pretty badly cracked today I also happen to have uh biked down Folsom near Arapahoe and almost flipped over uh from a big pothole and that got me thinking about you know in terms of the the people aspects of that um the the cities really do need to first and foremost do what cities are

[161:01] supposed to do I think and so we we do need to kind of fill the proverbial potholes and so in terms of um priorities I you know I I love all that we did with the arpa funding and and all of our pilots and and we also need to do Wildfire mitigation and flood prevention and you know we need to to update the the rec centers in a lot of our buildings so you know I don't have precise you know comms and dollars but I think you know within the um the sort of broad thinking of considering you know multiple different groups of of those impacted by the city budget um one is sort of the the basics of of you know kind of taking care of the fish in the creek and and the humans that are um trying to ride in bike lanes and not have to Veer away from potholes so um that's just general feedback for I'm not sure why we're looking at the specific 10 million but when we do look at the big budget um make sure that we're not losing uh the forest for the trees and we do need to to do what what

[162:02] all cities have to provide um to people uh and then in terms I just want to say thank you for including the community connectors early because that was my request and I'm glad to see that you're incorporating it um yeah I'm kind of keying off what Rachel said and I've gone back and forth on this a bit and thinking about it and I I I'm just not sure we're not expending an inordinate amount of staff time and resources to allocate a discrete uh source of funds that represents under two percent of the budget um and I and and money is money I don't know why this tent this 10 million dollars is special when it's going to be folded into the more General budget the more General budget may have other holes in it that we don't anticipate [Music] and at the end of the day you know it we're expending a lot of energy

[163:02] to treat this as a discrete source of funding um and we had no idea what our other needs are going to be and again it's 2024 budget so I you know I don't quibble too much with the priorities but there should be priorities for all of our funds and I I you know I think that would make for a smoother budget process it's 2024. here are the revenues let's allocate them in in the most efficient and productive manner across the the panoply of programs that we're funding um this is a an exercise that's kind of interesting but again you know the money is is the money and I don't know that it should be put into a separate pot when we don't know anything at this point about our two 2024 Outlook and resources thank you thanks Marcus yeah go ahead Nicole

[164:01] um so my understanding and maybe Mark well if you all can clarify that what is being proposed here is to include the library funds reallocation as part of the broader budget so it pretty much is not treating it separate as as that much of a separate process but maybe misunderstanding so I was just wondering if Mark Wolff could clarify yeah that my understanding is unclear so right it's a good question yeah that that's correct I think uh our understanding was that council did want to have this discussion at some point before the 2024 budget process and so we're taking you through kind of our thought process and where we got to is is indeed it really should be folded into the 2024 budget process because then we we can have that holistic look that both Mark and Rachel were speaking to got Matt and then I'll call myself

[165:01] I might actually come at this from a different angle in the sense that um I I think when we look at our overall budget of nearly half a billion dollars 10 million seems like a little but when we look at the impacts that 10 million dollars can make on certain aspects of the work we do it can be transformative and so I I think it's the lens we use that offers us the greatest insight as to maybe where this money could be best spent our normal budget out process is you take your budget and it's the Haves and the have-nots everyone sort of fights for whatever the crumbs and the pieces are once you get past the main stuff and it's a debate about where that goes I I was anticipating that this roughly 10 million dollars would be treated slightly different for the opportunity it had to make perhaps a a broader impact on our community a new impact on our community um taking advantage of the lump sum that

[166:00] may not otherwise be available for certain things things that we've just said we won't do because we don't have the money so I I I'd love to see this be something we can hang our hat on five years down the road after the library districts formed and say look at all the stuff we've did with the library district money or the money that we saved by forming a Library District by folding it just purely into the regular budget process after this year there will be no a legacy of that Evolution to a Library District because it'll have just dissolved into the overall budget process so I think there's an opportunity here I look back at our Retreat and we talked about the Strategic opportunities around homelessness around planning and development and I go why is this money seems perfect to sort of seed some of those larger strategic things that we're hearing about on a daily basis I looked at the greatest Community concerns that we hear about all the time it's homelessness it's planning it's it's maintenance and services at parks and

[167:00] rec and then the other piece would just be like leveraging other funds and having a big pot of money that says boo we can give you three dollars for everyone you invest and say hey look we got three million dollars sitting right here bam and the project that was out of touch now becomes not just in reach but is now accessible so I I view this as a more transformational pot for ongoing than just fold it in and then kind of dissolved it in perpetuity so that was that was my perspective yep I guess I'm Matt I'm going to agree more with Mark than than you on this if Joel Wagner came here next week and said oh my god um we're 30 million short on sales tax well the predict we completely screwed the predictions we're 30 million short would you still want to spend that 10 million dollars on the special project or or whether you roll that into our overall budget now there's this false Precision here we don't know for 10 million up we could be 40 million we have no idea where we are every every budget's a crap shoot and so for us to segregate this 10 million dollars and treat it as some sort of special

[168:00] windfall that entered in our pocket it's just really I think not responsible for us so wait in a little bit uh well first of all I think you'll have done a phenomenal job so I think all the steps that you laid out I think look like really good ones the the work that you did in going out to the Departments and saying what are your needs and hearing about those and then funneling them in to see what they're related to the rough amount unless you that we're anticipating in savings I think this really great process because we do have a change in our budget coming that's significant and just remind me what's our rough general fund amount for 2023 our 2023 general fund budget is approximately 188 million dollars okay so so we you know we're getting over it's over five percent you know of of the general fund right as so it's not not insignificant that's that's a significant opportunity so while I agree you know with some of what's been said about money is all fungible it's not a red dollar or a blue dollar they're all

[169:01] green um that I think we this is a significant opportunity so I appreciate the work that you're doing to analyze what how we might take advantage of that that opportunity so I think you're on the right track and and and while of course you know so like so far knock on something our sales tax receipts have been up recently they um they could go down or you know we'll probably have additional revenues in 2024 because our sales tax has been doing well so we'll have additional monies of different types but I think it's still worth keeping in mind saying well we were able to move forward with additional initiatives that we would not have been able to do had we not had this Savings in the budget so you know we can't Peg it precisely but I think it's worth keeping in mind to Matt's Point earlier and I wanted a second what Rachel said about including the community connectors earlier rather than later and then just looking forward to the analysis as you continued forward towards the 2024 budget thanks for all your work any other

[170:02] thoughts the oh yeah Lauren there you go yeah I mean I think it is a little bit of a special opportunity because it's always it's hard to claw back a budget right there having um this amount of money that is not currently budgeted towards anything does represent a significant opportunity and also I do want to you know I think it's looking at it in terms of the larger budget and balancing you know I think you guys have done a great job of bringing forward really um great recommendations but also keeping an eye towards what sort of unique circumstance or unique possibilities this presents and if I could just add one more thing think shot Lauren I just wanted to put in a a plug for what Rachel's saying

[171:00] about you know enhancing some of our core Services if maybe they could use a little bit of additional funding I think that is worth keeping front of mind um to the pothole point one one other point I made I think so Lauren kind of triggered this a little bit is I think part of the Allure about this roughly 10 million dollars is that in our normal budget process we as a council may be discretionarily quobble over 60 000 here 30 000 there and so our input albeit is is more philosophical when it comes time to the budget we really don't have much discretion as to where that money ultimately ends up in terms of the dollars the amount and so I think there was an attractiveness to seeing 10 million because that is two orders of magnitude maybe three in some instances more than we ever get to play with as a council and I don't say play in terms of Play No but but but I mean in terms of like sculpting like like I think in terms of how we would manipulate clay that there's an

[172:00] opportunity that is just normally never afforded to this body in the way we've structured our government and and I think that's what's attractive is to be able to really think big that's normally not a chance for us because we again talk about five figure sums and and this is a chance for a a you know a much bigger opportunity so I think that's an Allure piece that I wanted to other thoughts seeing none is that good enough that's great okay thank you thanks again for all your hard work on this all right I believe that was our last agenda item any uh any final thoughts before we wrap up here tonight it was a tactical error on my part to ask Maria that question about an hour ago it took about four minutes it took about four minutes yeah Rachel I mean just I want to make Bob worse um I just wondered if we debriefed the the tribal consultation at all or when that

[173:00] might happen or I mean I think a lot of us participated and probably you know it was an exciting thing and I think if we made some I don't even know what we're allowed to say frankly because those are closed doors so I I wouldn't say much right now but I what I would say is I think it would be a fantastic idea to ask CAC to schedule an update from the city manager I was just about to say that I think that would be great and we should have um so part of this will be after the tribal consultation which a lot of that does happened under um closed doors to reflect the confidential and sensitive nature of those intergovernment relations there will be notes that are created those will go out to our tribal Nation Partners before they are ever public and it is only after that that we will issue a press release or issue a statement about it and so certainly we will bring that in a timely manner and provide that opportunity to council okay Mom well I will just say that um I was I was grateful to participate

[174:02] it was deeply yes to all of those those of us who are privileged enough to attend uh anything else going once and twice gavel's closed 8 49 PM thanks everybody for another good meeting thank you