August 3, 2021 — City Council Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

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[3:05] good evening everybody sorry i'm a minute late and that nearby is going to be a little bit later the national night out was so much fun now we just couldn't tear ourselves away okay um let me look and see i don't want to start without nearby um i was going to see if we can get through some of the announcements and so on but we will be voting right away to amend the agenda so i guess we'll just wait a little bit um is it possible to let people know i guess there are probably some people on zoom watching us right now is it possible to let channel 8 know that we are on a bit of a delay and we'll start in maybe five minutes

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[11:02] yes it's ready to go okay super welcome everyone to the boat welcome everyone to the august 3rd 2021 regular meeting of the boulder city council um we have a late start tonight because many council members went out to the national night out celebrations that were held around town so thank you very much to staff and all the communities that hosted it and thank you to the council members who went to those events with that we will get started with a few announcements the first announcement is copit 19 vaccinations um you can find out more local information on getting your vaccine and sign up for notifications at boco.org covenvaccine notify sign up second announcement is 2021 mid-year

[12:01] boards and commissions recruitment we're still seeking volunteers to serve on these following boards and commissions the beverage licensing authority the boulder junction access district boards there are two of those the downtown management commission and the housing advisory board please feel free to sign up at the website which is up boulder colorado dot gov slash government slash boards and commissions is a great way to serve your community and we would really love to have your help in making boulder an even better place and with that alicia i think we are ready to call the roll all right sir and good evening everyone councilmember brockett president friend here joseph president nagel here

[13:03] sweat lick here wallet present weaver here yates here and young present mayor we have a quorum thank you very much alicia our first order of business today is to amend the agenda um just to clarify there is no open comment tonight because of our late start as published in the legal agenda um we are also adjusting our agenda to remove item 2a which is items concerning the cu south annexation um we'll add a new item to a which is a motion to call a special counsel meeting august 10th which is next week and we'll add item 7b which is a review of proposed schedule for items pertaining to cu south so if i could get a motion to amend the agenda i moved second

[14:03] anyone opposed to amending the agenda seeing none that motion passes and back to you alicia all right thank you sir our next item on our agenda is the 1a the declaration concerning the recent events of the boulder reservoir and that will be presented by councilmember yates thanks alicia thanks sam um i've been asked to read a declaration prepared by city staff and signed by the mayor the declaration is called the declaration of support for constructive community engagement regarding the boulder reservoir the declaration itself is four pages long with the first three pages of recitation of facts in the fourth page of statement of principles as we discussed at our city council meeting on july 20th given our late start this evening i've received the permission of the mayor and city staff to summarize the facts and then to read verbatim the last page

[15:02] statement of principles so those summary of facts are as follows the boulder reservoir has operated a beach and concession area since the fifties recently more than three hundred thousand people have visited the res each year in two thousand twelve the staff the parks and recreation department and the parks and recreation advisory board prepared and adopted a boulder reservoir master plan that plan included among other things the construction of a new visitor center that would expand uses and amenities at the res including a restaurant and a bar in an event space serving a number of groups based on a 2017 concept plan the new visitor center was built between 2018 and 2020 and the parks board and council approved a lease with a restaurant operator there but as the new restaurant was preparing to open a number of reservoir

[16:00] neighbors expressed various concerns about the hours of operation and the service of alcohol there were a number of meetings between those reservoir neighbors city staff the parks board and members of this city council a good neighborhood commitment was adopted in the spring however concerns continue to be raised by reservoir neighbors resulting in the withdrawal of the restaurant's liquor license application and the cancellation of several non-profit events scheduled for earlier this summer now that's a summary of the three-page fact recitation on the declaration the full declaration was posted on hotline last friday i'll jump ahead to the last page of the declaration with the statement of principles the boulder city council declares as follows number one the reservoir is an important community asset and is one of the most important park facilities in boulder and the surrounding region number two the city council believes strongly in the mission and vision of enabling

[17:01] greater access of this community asset in a safe and responsible manner along those lines the city council supports the 2017 concept plan and is incredibly proud of the new reservoir visitor center and its potential to contribute to this vision including through a restaurant and patio space for gathering community members and visitors to enjoy the reservoir and its beautiful scenery the city council supports the democratic and public process through which the concept plan and lease agreement with the restaurant owner was established number three the city council supports hosting events at the reservoir that benefit the community in a manner that is safe responsible and consistent with local state and federal laws and we are proud of the decades-long legacy of beneficial safe and responsible events held at the reservoir number four the city council supports the department staff who are incredibly talented and dedicated public servants in their good

[18:00] faith efforts to engage community members and to address and accommodate their concerns the parks and recreation advisory board and city council have also heard and considered the community's concerns about the new facility in a public forum the parks and recreation department the parks and recreation advisory board and city council have taken and continued to take these concerns seriously and are thankful for the outrage we continue we hope to continue engaging with reservoir neighbors to hear address and accommodate their concerns and finally number five the city council supports civil discourse and pragmatic engagement we strongly we strongly approve of any excuse me we strongly disapprove of any alleged threats to disrupt public vetted and appropriate approved events at the reservoir and we believe that there are more appropriate and productive ways to express concerns or provide feedback on issues of public concern thank you bob um council members anyone

[19:00] want to say any words about this um aaron and then mark erin yeah thanks for that bob and and really appreciate the the parks board uh working on this and putting this together it's responsing uh i and i think pretty much all of us were really disappointed that those non-profit events were canceled and that there were uh threatening emails that were received that precipitated that so it was really unfortunate um i want to mention um i had a chance to um meet in person with some of the neighbors a few days ago and uh while i did hear from them some some continued concerns i also heard from them some real unhappiness that about the way things went with uh the events and being cancelled and they did not agree with their neighbors who are sending the threatening emails so my hope is that we can come together and engage in that pragmatic and constructive engagement that bob read about in that declaration and you know move forward on a positive path going forward thanks thank you aaron

[20:00] mark um yeah i am supportive of this resolution and had the recitation of facts been exactly as bob had stated it i would be perfectly fine with that as well the recitation as in full is a little bit problematic to me for the following reasons uh the the overall tone of it seems to conflate the behavior of one or two extreme people with the activities of the larger body of the community to advocate for a different policy from those which we decided upon um there's a section that reads um despite this outreach and engagement some neighbors still have concerns about the new facility and events as if this was somehow improper um you know if you look at the language of the declaration of independence they have petitioned us for redress of their grievances we have taken a different posture which is our right to do so but there's nothing wrong with

[21:00] you know what they have done um i am not privy to the more extreme emails that we don't know how i don't know how many there were uh i don't know what their content was um and there's reference in the recitation of facts to their being unverified i assume they were either sent or not sent and if they were santa we have read them or some portion of us have read them then it should be verified um and and i hope there's not an expectation that once we've decided on a course of action um those who disagree should you know cease their efforts and go home um you know if that were to be our attitude i think we're going to be uh in store for a great deal of disappointment you know um cu south is coming and i think we'll find that to be um this kind of conversation uh in spades and you know it's just

[22:01] unclear to me that we have properly characterized what most of those neighbors and i have met them as well as my colleague aaron are thinking or trying to achieve um but i do it you know support the text itself of the declaration um i'm just concerned that the background creates a more negative uh impression of those who disagree with us and continue to advocate for a different approach to these issues thank you thank you mark nearby thanks sam sorry i didn't have a hand raised function at first so um mark basically just said what i was wanting to say um i really hope that moving forward we can continue to address the concerns of the neighborhood and keep that in dialogue and um i just want to make sure that that neighborhood knows that yeah there was an action of one person that's not verified per se but that you know i

[23:00] i do support the neighborhood and hope that um the dialogue between them and the city will continue and that these new efforts that have been put in to protect against sound and keeping the quality of life that they currently uh have will continue and um just have a well-rounded open discussion where the parties are heard and felt heard so um that's that's all i wanted to add in thank you all and i'll just wait in here and say that the the way that i read this declaration um writ large is a request for everyone to keep in mind that there's differing opinions in a community and that we should all treat each other with respect and everyone's opinions with respect and when a decision is made it would be um great if we can continue to you know those who disagree continue to do so respectfully and without any kind of implied or or overt threats

[24:01] so i think this really is just a reminder to everyone that um decisions are best made and appeals are best made when everyone is doing it in a way that respects um differing opinions so i think that's that's enough on that subject we hope to be able to bring this to a resolution that makes the most people the most happy and with that back to you alicia all right thank you sir next we have on our agenda the consent agenda item 2a is a consideration of a motion to call a special counsel meeting on august 10 2021 to approve resolution 1289 and the introduction first reading in order by to publish by title only ordinance 8483 these items are related to the cu south annexation very good thank you alicia and um this uh item is specifically just to call the

[25:00] special meeting for next week at the meeting next week there will be first reading of the ordinance related to the cu south annexation as well as a state required resolution that will announce the date and set the date for the second reading public hearing of the annexation ordinance so the action that we're taking tonight it merely calls the special meeting next week it will be short and it's anticipated to be short and before a regularly scheduled study session and then as far as the details of the schedule for this item there's um some parts we need to to talk through um that's under uh the matters item at the end where we can discuss what all the um dates and so on will be nearby so i just want to make sure sam i hear you i just i just want to voice back so voting on this is simply to approve a

[26:01] meeting for next week it is not approving a first reading is that correct correct this is just to call a meeting for next week that's correct perfect that's what i needed thank you great so um can i get a motion to approve the consent agenda again okay we have a motion and a second any one object to the consent agenda uh i'm sorry about that alicia you have a note for me it's a roll call correct yes sir we will start with council member hi wallach hi weaver yes yes alicia i'm going to recuse myself from this vote thank you sir councilmember young yes rocket i

[27:02] joseph hi friend hi and nagel hi so the consent agenda passed eight to one with council member yates recusing himself and uh you can take us to the next item as well all right thank you sir next we have our public hearings item 4 on our agenda item 4a is the public hearing for the introduction first reading public hearing and consideration of emotion to order published by title only ordinance 84-76 this is submitting to the electors of the city of boulder at the general municipal coordinated election to be held on tuesday november 2nd 2021 the question of extending the 0.3 percent sales and use tax for capital improvements for 15 years

[28:00] with the precedes proceeds thereto to be used for capital improvement projects in the city of boulder setting forth the ballot title specifying the form of the ballot and other election procedures and setting forth the related details and if desired the second item is the introduction first reading public hearing and consideration of a motion to order published by title only ordinance 8487 to the electors of the city of boulder at the general municipal coordinated election to be held on tuesday november 2nd 2021 the question to authorize the increase of debt of the city to fund capital improvements for 15 years with the proceeds there of to be used for capital improvement projects in the city of boulder as set forth in the ballot specifying the form of the ballot and other election procedures and setting forth the related details thank you and nuria before we turn to you for the stat presentation i see aaron

[29:00] has his hand up aaron yeah sorry i just want to clarify one thing on that last vote um alicia i think you said that it was eight to one but i would it not be eight to zero um with barbara accused you are totally correct thank you sir with one vote recused thank you thanks just one clarified i appreciate it and i appreciate the correction thank you that's my first recuse so yeah thank you aaron thank you alicia and muria over to you great thank you mayor uh the next item really has been a big lift and a great cross-departmental um work group has been formed but cheryl pitelli our cfo joe wagner and finance and kathy haddock and the city attorney's office are all here to answer any questions and i'll throw it to them as we kick that conversation off thanks nuria so we have a short presentation tonight um thanks emily for running the the presentation next slide

[30:03] so we have a few slides on the timeline and background that you've seen before then we'll get into the ballot language and finally jeff haley from parks and rec is here to answer a question that was brought up at the last meeting regarding the civic area phase two project next slide so the timeline again um we've had a lot of touch points with council uh during the the last eight months or so in this tax we've also heard a lot of feedback from our community via the community survey as well as the non-profit focus groups that we held back in june and july and here tonight we're really focusing on the ballot language and the ballot questions that were included as ordinances in your packets this evening next slide so you've seen this slide several times

[31:00] over the last decade many different ways to fund our capital needs tonight we're really focusing on the second renewal of the community culture and safety tax that tax first came to be when the voters approved it in 2014 for three years then in 2017 they extended for another four years and tonight we are recommending an extension of 15 years for this tax next next slide so why why 15 years it really has to do with the unfunded needs of the city excluding utilities we have over 300 million dollars of projects that are currently unfunded most of which are general fund projects so as you can see from the pie chart uh the majority relate to public safety but there are a lot of other areas where we do have unfunded projects for the city these

[32:02] projects of the 312 unfunded have all been identified as essential or important per our budgeting for resilience definitions and also identified by our current or pending master plans next slide so i talked about the survey we brought the results back uh back to council on the july 20th meeting we had a great uh turnout of almost 2 000 respondents for the survey and overwhelmingly the responses were showed support for a 15-year extension to fund both infrastructure and non-profit community projects as well as support for the related 110 million dollar bond measure next slide so we came to council a couple weeks ago to get direction for you uh that will enable us to draft our ballot questions and i want to thank

[33:02] kathy haddock from the city attorney's office for doing that for us tonight um your direction was a 15-year term for the tax 90 or an estimated 180 million of that is for funding directed towards city capital infrastructure projects 10 percent or an estimated 20 million funding directed toward a a flexible grant program for non or i'm sorry for community nonprofits a related 110 million dollar debt authorization measure and then you ask that specific projects and project categories be included in the ballot language next slide so looking at the projects for the ballot language i did get a request from a council member i thought it was a great request to include the estimated project amounts again i want to re-emphasize the word estimated this is our best guess at this time and

[34:01] as we've seen in the past depending on construction inflation and other factors these may change but also i want to say that these amounts will not be included in the ballot language so we have three transportation projects in the draft language maintaining and improving roads and multimodal paths replacing critically deteriorated signal poles and replacing central avenue bridge improvement of boulder creek path uh boulder civic area phase two which jeff will talk about in a couple slides completing fire station three relocating or reconstruction or reconstructing fire station two or four purchasing emergency vehicles for boulder fire to provide advanced life support renovating the east boulder rec center acquiring street light systems and converting to led lights and then refresh of the

[35:02] the pearl street mall next slide also included in the ballot language are categories so these are categories that we could spend the remaining funds on they are transportation system resilience progress toward climate goals safe and prepared boulder active and healthy boulder and then community focused technology improvements i i do want to know we changed that name once again and i really think that this new um description really is a lot better to describe what we're talking about as it relates to our technology needs for customer facing programs next slide i want to point out just a few things related to the debt ballot question the principal amount is 110 million and the repayment amount shown

[36:00] is 158 million and that includes both principal and interest it is a tabor requirement that we show the repayment amount on the ballot and we do try to be conservative when we do that we worked with our financial advisors because we're spanning over 15 years and we don't know what the market will be um in let's say five or ten years so we want to be conservative so we so we have um adequate ability to do debt financing we assumed a 15-year debt instrument we also assumed a 5.5 interest rate for taxable bonds and five percent for tax exempt i will say we assumed about 15 percent of the debt issue to go toward the nonprofit projects we wanted to make sure that we were flexible in case there were any bigger projects that came to us early on in the process and both our debt and our tax extension

[37:01] questions were reviewed by bond council and disclosure council they recommended many changes that we made they also i want to just point out for transparency say two items one is the terminology of use of up to ten percent of tax revenue to fund non-profit grant pools the reason why we had to say up to it it certainly does not preclude us from um using 10 percent it really relates to our debt service coverage ratio and ensuring that we can meet those requirements without limiting our bond capacity to the full 110 million we also want to point out the nonprofit projects should serve the citizens of boulder i think that certainly was the intent but we wanted to that language needed to be added in order for us to be able to bond for non-profit projects

[38:00] and that is the end of my presentation i'm going to turn it over to jeff haley to start the next slide yeah good evening council jeff haley with parks and recreation you can go ahead and advance to the next slide what i want to do is just provide a little more background information um an understanding for city council related to the civic area phase two uh project that's being discussed and specifically that area within central park um i had the opportunity many years ago as part of a previous ccs tax initiative to manage the project for the civic parch park which was uh west of broadway and i think we've all seen some of the success that we've had from that project and a lot of the activation enhancement we've seen in the downtown core as a result of that so this next phase as we move east of broad broadway is really kind of a continuation extension of that this area has been commonly referred to as the east bookend

[39:00] within the civic area master plan that was completed in 2015 and so the real goal of this is to activate the park more and really move to the east as we look at the areas where we have our farmers market and other activities and events along the 13th street corridor this area really provides nice connectivity to pearl street mall and then as well as you move south and kind of up to the hill and around the cu campus this is just one more phase or opportunity to connect our visitors our residents through all this area with transit events activities and a lot of the cultural activities we have at long bimoca the tea house and other festivals that occur in that area i just want to be specific that this is a very conceptual cost estimate that was developed this this project would require some final design and more enhanced analysis you know we have historic assets in this area we have floodplain considerations and

[40:03] many other different disciplines that we would need to look at to really refine the the final design and the detailed cost i did want to specify that this project would not relocate the bandshell some of you may remember in previous discussions and dialogue back during the civic area master plan in 2015 there was a lot of lively discussion about the band shell this does not um warrant relocation or we're not proposing relocation that and in fact um just to dive into some of the cost we would like to enhance the ban shell and that's one of the areas we've seen as an improvement opportunity for the the park um upgrades so really what this is again as you can see in this diagram really focused on the park in that 13th street corridor the costs are outlined here i won't go through them in detail but it is improvements that would support the the festivals the farmers market access safety visibility and just better functionality

[41:00] around the whole east book end and it would also support future opportunities and those that are familiar with the civic area master plan we hope to enhance that whole east bookend with a variety of items you see listed here with access enhancement perhaps bimoca enhancements transit connectivity as well as that future canyon complete street that's been designed as well so if you want to move to the next slide i'll i'll just continue these are just a few illustrations that also help give city council just a sense of what the actual infrastructure would result in so if you consider the improvements you've seen over on the west side of the park near the library and the canyon boulevard this would all again provide better functionality for large community gatherings you can see some of these images that demonstrate you know large community dining opportunities and art opportunities and other cultural amenities so

[42:00] increasing the path the options just a better functional space as well as restrooms visitor minis and that sort of thing so that's pretty much the the gist of the phase 2 central park enhancements again we would we would look forward to engaging the community and really refining the the final design of this space and how this would really move to construction so i'll turn it back to you cheryl thank you jeff um and that was the end of our presentation this evening so we'll you have any questions we're here to answer them thank you all very much i see aaron's hand and then i'll go after aaron and other council questions now's a good time erin thanks for the presentation appreciate all the information um just one one thing um in the the language cheryl you talked about adding to that about that the bond measures or the non-profit projects should serve the citizens of boulder

[43:00] can we not change that to residents of boulder to include our uh residents who are not citizens of the united states sure i'll work with actually cathy you may want to respond i'm sorry that's no problem um i could move buttons you're absolutely right and we should have thought of that before i think that the language is um in uh that that bondholders bond council are used to is still citizens but we will let them know we they need to update that and we will take care of that um yes we'll take care of it i'm not sure if the word residence is what they'll want to use the big thing is there's a constitutional prohibition against using public money for private corporations and we don't want to run afoul of that but we will get the citizen word out yeah and whatever the language uh needs to be just as long as it's inclusive of all residents of older that would be much appreciated really

[44:00] good point thank you you aaron and then i'll call on me and then mary my question really has to do with the civic area um phase two and the central park improvements um i noticed that um slide 11 which is the diagram of the park with the dotted lines around it the atrium building is included in those dotted lines but um i don't see any plans about what will happen with that building so is it correct to understand that everything that will happen essentially will be um west of 13th street so that mostly this is about the park area or is the atrium building included and you're thinking for the spend on this money yeah that's a great question thank you for that clarification um generally yes everything is west of 13th street um i would add we would like to look at 13th street itself and just how that functions with

[45:00] obviously the market and other festivals that happen there but to be clear the atrium building is really not involved in this this diagram is from some earlier versions where we were looking at options to include basically a public restroom in the atrium to be specific at this time we would likely not um focus on that and it's more in the park so yeah that's correct super great that's my only question mary yeah um i have a question kind of um sort of a follow-up to aaron's question and um this is for the referring specifically to the non-profit piece of it is that correct piece of the measure correct so if say for example um the homeless shelter were to apply for some of this

[46:01] grant money we know that the homeless shelter serves folks from boulder some folks not from boulder outside the counties sometimes outside the state so i'm wondering how in that particular case would this apply or would that be an issue um gerald you want me to do that yeah if you could kathy thank you yeah the the um language that we're trying to do is to make sure that we are not violating the constitutional prohibition against loans to private corporations which arguably can extend to other areas outside of boulder the types of things you guys are raising are really helpful and we will work with bond council get better language

[47:00] that it's not just the residents directly benefiting um that it is about the community as a whole and how different users coming into the community affect the community so we'll make sure that we can cover those types of things i don't know right now exactly what that wording will be okay great um thank you that's all i have thanks mary mark question for kathy um can you review one more time why bond council had that language included of up to 10 yes and and cheryl when when i messed this up be ready to do it and if it matters i can't turn on my video i don't know if somebody needs to do something um with when we issue bonds bondholders like to make sure they're going to get repaid so when we issue bonds we usually have to have a debt coverage ratio that make sure we can pay off our bonds one and a quarter times or one and a

[48:00] half times or whatever the debt coverage ratio is that is desired so that the bondholders for sure get paid so we may only plan to spend up to 100 of what we issue debt for but the bondholders want to be paid back want us to have money available to pay back 100 plus if we can only bond if we have to take that ten percent out of our hundred percent then we'd only be figuring all that on ninety percent of our total so ninety percent of the hundred and ten million by saying up to we can figure the bond coverage ratio as if the whole 110 is available so cheryl do you want to fix where i you know i think you you you explained it well i think the sticking point is the fact that the the ratio required could be you know one one and a quarter one and a half times

[49:01] the expected revenue that we are planning to get so therefore in order to bond 110 million the expected revenue might exceed just the city's 90 percent portion that we would need um to make bond holders feel comfortable with the transaction if if that makes sense have follow-up mark yes please um so i guess the bottom line question for me is would that impact the 10 percent it would not impact the 10 it just relates to our ability to um bond for a hundred and ten if we were planning to do the entire hundred and ten um it would impact our ability may impact our ability to do that it it

[50:00] would not impact our ability to give 10 percent for the non-profits simply again because we they they want to ensure that we have more than what we're estimating at the 200 million so they may want to make sure that we have 250 million worth of coverage um in order to do our bond deal so sorry this is i know this is complicated and i might not be explaining it uh the best a couple of other questions however um we are contemplating the possibility of bonding off the 10 percent how is that possible if it has to be some form of reserve or the bond for the 90 percent it it doesn't have to be a form of reserve mark it's just the amount that we're saying is available to pay back that service

[51:00] um since it has to be in excess of the hundred percent and cara i don't know cara skinner if you want to save me on this if there's uh if you want to try to explain this but it's just the language that we use in the measure it will not affect our ability to give 10 because we know we were very conservative when we came up with 110 million that the debt service payment needed for 110 million is less than our expected revenue every year within a pretty nice margin we did not want to overextend what we felt we could um pay back including the the 10 going to community projects because you know look i've been a supporter of the 10 level of funding for the community projects but i want to make sure that

[52:00] that we can fulfill that commitment because i believe it is a commitment um and i want to make sure that that we're not going to be doing a bait and switch and saying you know um it looks like it's only going to be eight percent and if if you're really uncomfortable with using the up to we can certainly go back to bond council it might you know the worst thing that could happen with that is um maybe at the end of the day given where our revenues are at and where the market is at we might be able to only bond out a hundred million like it wouldn't be um the worst thing to to do that in my opinion so kathy i don't know if you have thoughts on that just that it would limit the amount of money we would have to bear we would have available if we did want to use bond proceeds you know the rest of council may have a different view of it i i i just think that um we should be pretty

[53:01] clear that the 10 is to 10 and as i said it's not a bait and switch that we come back and say well things have changed interest rates have changed the bonding authorities have a different view of it and well uh it's only going to be six percent you know so sorry um i i don't think that would be an appropriate resolution thank you mark um mary and then once we're done with questions then we can go to public hearing thanks sam so one more question um we received a lot of email um from um members of the arts community and i noticed that a lot of those emails were coming from

[54:00] organizations and or individuals who are beneficiaries of the arts commission grants um so they're getting um grants for um events or particular projects things like that um are those types of grants strictly the purview of the arts commission budget or would those also could those also be encompassed in this 10 percent so in other words a lot of those beneficiaries were not capital projects so i have joel here uh wagner joel if you wouldn't mind responding hi sure good evening council

[55:00] joel wagner tax and special projects manager and i will ask kathy to chime in as well if she has any input and thank you for that question mary so the the criterion the types of grants will really be a policy question that council will be able to weigh in on if the ballot passes but since this is a capital grant or a capital tax we'd recommend that funding be limited to capital purposes so general operating support or program grants probably would not be able to be funded out of these funds and kathy do you want to correct me on that if you disagree you've got it right okay great thank you and and those those sorts of um non-capital projects items would be covered um under the arts commission grant making budget

[56:01] and i believe matt schizansky is here if he wants to um talk on that piece thanks matt yeah thank you uh matt zanski with the office of arts and culture and uh yes the arts grants program that the boulder arts commission administers works with general operating support project grants scholarships and special funds specifically not capital grants unless that's a part of operating in which case it requires a special vote of the arts commission to approve it so it happens very rarely and so it is one way that funds are distributed not for capital projects to arts nonprofits great thank you very much thanks mary aaron so uh that prompted additional question for me about the it being capital funding uh would you be able to fund a uh like a planning project for a capital project let's say an arts group or non-profit wanted to undertake

[57:01] a capital project but needed to work out the details of how that would be constituted could we give them a grant to do that planning project thank you for that question so in my experience a a planning grant that would lead to a capital project could be considered a capital related to a capital ineligible for funding and uh again i'll ask kathy to jump in if she has any other thoughts especially since we're talking about uh bonding kathy's experience is very valuable with these questions kathy you're on mute but if you'd like to weigh in on joel's pass to you if if if y'all had a specific question in in his i missed it um i think what he covered it was great is there a specific question that you're looking for from me no no just just what you said i think is

[58:01] is perfect but but the subject was um is it okay to use these funds for capital planning grants as well as capital grants yes yes we did make sure that that was covered in the um language when we talked to bond council about it excellent thank you good to hear thank you okay counsel any other questions seeing none we will go to the public hearing we have 12 people signed up for the public hearing on this so everyone will get three minutes a piece the first three speakers will be susan prant jan burton and lynn siegel let's start with susan brandt okay all right let's see okay unmuted we can hear you okay hi council uh my name is tiffany

[59:00] director of community cycles um and we were a past recipient of one of these grants and we thank you very much for that and thank you for bringing us forward again um and just wanted to point out the great work that was done in the past by joel and his team and continues to be done the future joel's really a pleasure to work with um just a few things and i realized also when joe was talking maybe i'm talking a little bit more about implementation which would come later on uh but um i would want council or or whoever says the rules on this to make sure that uh there's enough money left in the nonprofit uh pool to go for a while since this is a many year grant and we could use it up pretty quickly and in that respect i'm also on implementation i think it's you should be careful with the planning grants and keep them small i would i would say that organizations should

[60:01] raise their own money for planning because that's a good start to get to your capital project and it's a good practice because raising millions of dollars is not very easy so it's really important that you know how to do it and planning grant is a good good way to test the waters there but um but if you do do allow that make it very small um and um and also some kind of questions are things like ongoing projects for it will there be ongoing also for city projects like i just was in a discussion with the city about the dirt alleys and how their people really complain about them but there's no money for them so is that something that you know could be applied for down the road or is it just this list that we're seeing in front of us today for for city projects so um those are kind of the details but uh a big thumbs up on this and uh yes please remember to keep the 10 percent for the non-profits thank you very much thank you sue um next we have jan burton

[61:02] lynn siegel and daniel sher it looks like jan burton isn't showing up here so jan if you can reach out in the chat or the q a if you're here that'll be great and with that we'll go to lynn siegel when you have three minutes there is absolutely no doubt that we need all of these cultural facilities the maintenance all of the infrastructure needs open space all of it we need all of that the question is who pays not the taxpayers this should not be put before the voters this should be put before the developers they are the ones that need to be paying may i state see yourself

[62:00] should not even be considered and lynn if you could please your comments lin could you could you please keep your comments to the subjected sales tax revenue so do not interrupt me sam okay see you south is a huge impact on our sales tax revenue got it huge and i will not in any way support this being on the ballot at all when you're even dreaming of seeing yourself now let's go elsewhere gun barrel the armory diagonal plaza mckenzie junction the rev the big all of the affordable unafford the affordable housing that makes more unaffordable housing east boulder the armory 26th and pine condos ever as far as i can see 1900 folsom across from the chamber of commerce

[63:00] the huge development there this is all costing heavily now it's the developers that are developing these places that need to pay for this infrastructure and for this tax revenue this bond that you're asking me to pay for no way no way not with the way you're approving one after the other of third stories and all kinds of extra subsidies for all these developments no way yes they have a right a certain right don't they bob and everybody else yeah a certain right but they also deserve to pay for their impact on the jobs housing imbalance and everything else that the sales tax revenue is having to cover and you're begging welfare from the taxpayers not okay not okay i agree that the non-profit

[64:01] should have lots of money i agree that there should be lots of cultural amenities everywhere i certainly agree to all those things what i don't agree on is who pays for it not me not the taxpayers don't put this thing before the taxpayers it's your problem your fault for subsidizing these developers and causing this three million dollar charge to the police for the homeless that's where it comes from done thank you lynn and i believe that jan burton is now in the meeting with us so jan if you're here you've got three minutes good evening council my name is jan burton and i live at 852 11th street i am a board member for create boulder an organization which has leveraged other foundations city dollars and our own donor contributions to get more than four hundred thousand dollars in the hands of

[65:00] boulder-based arts organizations and artists since the great quarantine began i have three points tonight number one by removing the word culture from the ballot title you have sent a strong message that arts and culture are not important reinserting the word culture in the title would assure council's commitment to arts and culture in the community and for the upcoming update or of your own cultural plan in 2023 and 2024. number two the 2014 and 2017 community culture and safety tax included 20 percent for nonprofits this was the intent and the expectation of the arts and non-profit communities who help generate support for the tax and the community alert your plan for an extension has lowered this

[66:00] in percent one of the reasons you have given is that there are no self-ready projects from non-profits i would submit to you that non-profit organizations don't have planners keeping their doors open was their priority during the past year and a half and they hardly had their eyes on large project or facility development on the other hand the city of boulder has a cadre of planners incidentally paid for by the community so it's not surprising that you have a long list of projects with the new 15-year tax please give the community a longer runway to develop small and large-scale project opportunities without a bias towards city projects twenty percent would be aligned with the original tax intent but 15 should be the minimum assigned to nonprofits and number three please allow for planning grants so that nonprofits wanting to explore projects have the same capacity as a

[67:00] city of boulder on this point i tend to disagree with sue print as an alternative you could assign 20 of your planners to nonprofit project support in summary this council has supported arts and culture through general operating support grants and other budgetary items please don't step back from arts and nonprofit organizations by limiting this tax measure to its full community potential thank you so much for your consideration thank you jan next we have daniel share deborah malden and nick forster daniel thank you very much can you hear me yes we can um my name is daniel scherr i live at 2161 jonathan place uh just close to iris uh between 26th and broadway for 20 years i served as dean of the college of music at cu boulder and i had many opportunities to work

[68:02] with our partners in culture and i share i'm speaking with you because i share many of the concerns that jan burton just enumerated for you i heard the conversation before i had this opportunity to speak and there's a lot of talk about how you pay for this and how you pay for that but i asked the council to step back for a moment and take the larger view um that that shapes 15 years which is no small amount of time wherein not only is culture eliminated from the title but you also have cut the budget in half and added in not for profits that are not necessarily in the arts space so

[69:00] boulder has not had a reputation of being supportive of the arts i'm thinking of a group that tried for years and years to get some sort of approval from the city to annex some property where a performance center that would serve many of the uh local organizations that so desperately need it with arts uh facilities and that fell flat when you look around the country and you think of boulder as a destination you are missing a huge and important sector when you don't attend to arts and culture which to speaks to people who want to move here and are looking at quality of life and who need the community support not just the university providing its arts and culture but

[70:00] something that the community has ownership of and that we on campus uh support um the other thing i would say is that i thought that the council had a deep commitment to diversity equity and inclusion and the arts are an incredibly powerful way to include those less fortunate than you and me so i would ask you to please keep culture in the title and please restore the budget to its original 20 because you're talking 15 years that's a very long time and what the arts community has gone through this last year and a half is absolutely devastating and it's amazing how well they have come through it but they need this support thank you thank you daniel next we have deborah malden nick forester and fran zankowski deborah

[71:03] hello council my name is debra malden and i live at 502 mapleton i was a member of the advocacy team for the initial 2000 community culture and safety act and served on the community capital tax committee for the 2017 ballot i am here this evening on behalf of create boulder if nothing else the pandemic has highlighted the important arts and culture to us all both individually and collectively despite the devastating impact of the pandemic on the sector boulder's many artists and arts organizations continue to create and to serve the needs of the community while working to advance social justice equity and inclusion and to increase access to the arts this tax extension unlike its predecessors will not specify a slate of proposed nonprofit projects to a large extent this reflects the fact

[72:00] that most organizations have been hard-pressed to pursue capital planning in the past 18 months while they were struggling for their very survival it also explains why public engagement in this tax extension is relatively late as you know the city's community cultural plan will be updated in the early years of the tax this will allow the city to allocate investments based on rigorous analysis of the arts landscape and our community's aspirations undoubtedly this planning process will identify venue and facility needs fundamental to the community's interest a 15-year tax as a 15-year tax it is crucial that the city develop processes for future decision-making that are open and transparent and include substantial community input much like boulders or any cities parks and recreation assets the arts benefit the whole community and are foundational to boulder's vibrancy and health holders arts facilities and their

[73:01] maintenance however are supported mainly through private investment the renewal of this tax provides a unique opportunity for the city to help ensure investment in critical arts infrastructure it also allows the city to leverage public investment with private support the past 18 months have confirmed for all of us the fundamental importance of arts and culture to our social emotional and economic well-being i hope the arts will be appropriately supported by council tonight you can do this by increasing the percentage of funding available for nonprofits to 15 and better yet 20 percent ensuring a robust public process for investment decision making and preserving the name culture to ensure that the arts are prioritized in future funding decisions thank you for your consideration and for your good work on behalf of boulder thank you deborah next we have nick forrester franzankowski and cindy cepucha

[74:02] nick thanks everybody thanks to staff and to council for your hard work on behalf of our hometown i know this is not easy i'm nick forster speaking tonight as an artist as an arts leader as a founding member of the board of create boulder i'm speaking in regards to the first reading of this ordinance and the renewal of attacks and as you've already heard this evening the tax was passed with the support and cooperation of the arts community because there was a clearly defined percentage of funds that were to be allocated for capital projects in support of arts and culture that commitment was 20 not up to 10 percent and it was a critical component in gaining the trust and support of all of us who worked hard to pass that sales tax that year so i'm voicing my concern that bond council has an outsized role in driving this agenda and driving and creating this language i'm concerned that this renewal is for

[75:00] 15 years which is a long time and that most importantly the language ignores the original intent of this tax that the percentage of revenue for arts and culture is too small so specifically um i'm just asking you to support three changes to the language first as you've heard restore 20 of revenue for arts and culture i know that's a stretch i know that's a challenge i know it doesn't work for your numbers but i also know that your projections are conservative that you could bond a smaller amount that you could honor the commitment to arts and culture that was in the original intent yes if it's 15 that's a step in the right direction but i really believe that 20 is the right number considering the time frame 20 15 years is a long time and um and again that was the original intent of it as it was a passed and approved by voters years ago 10 is you know up to 10 is is insulting and it actually constitutes kind of a whole cloth repurposing

[76:00] of the tax it's not a renewal it's a complete transformation of the original intention second i agree with people who've said restore the word culture in the title as a commitment and as a reminder that that's an important part of what this is about and third i want to concur that that planning dollars are important i can tell you as somebody who created one of boulder's most popular cultural facilities in the heart of downtown and i did it without any support from you know ready tax dollars i s you know we spent nearly a million dollars in architecture engineering design financing and for the construction of e-town hall which was an eight million dollar project so that planning component is critical for if you want shovel-ready projects you have to help arts organizations get to shovel ready so that they can actually submit for funding so to review 20 of funds if you can get there really hope you can work hard on on that

[77:00] and i and not just for non-specific non-profits i know it feels like this thing is already done that the survey suggests everyone will support it but the arts community is not just artists it's businesses it's civic leaders and members of the media this is not done the voters have not voted yet let's work together to support arts and culture in this tax thank you thank you nick next we have franz ankowski cindy sapoocha and chip from downtown boulder fran good evening thank you for this opportunity to address you all tonight and i apologize in advance if my comments appear too harsh and thank you to my fellow create boulder board members for their thoughtful and persuasive contribution to tonight's discussion as a lesser known member of crepe boulder i am perhaps better known as the publisher of boulder weekly and it is in that capacity i wish to address my concerns about the ballot measures before you

[78:00] i find it is better to air our concerns and work towards agreement on these issues now than to later hear our complaints and our potential reluctance to endorse this measure when it comes before the voters it has been and still remains the mission of boulder weekly to promote support and sponsor many of boulder's cultural and social non-profits it is also my personal mission to be a force for positive social change which all of these arts and nonprofits achieve in their various programs i have been leading discussions within boulder weekly about this proposed extension of the community culture and safety tax we've had we have endorsed these previous initiatives but now now we find ourselves seriously conflicted removal of culture from the title the radical fifty percent reduction of funding to the arts and nonprofits

[79:00] and to the nearly quadrupling the duration of this tax while not truly a vacant switch for all practical purposes this is and seems to be incompatible with the original intent and spirit of the tax it appears this revision of the tax is actually masquerading as an extension i have learned tonight the 15-year term is related to bonding capability issues but even cfd in 2018 only require extension from the voters cutting in half twenty percent to ten percent the fundamental non-profits causes great unease having recently served for the past five years on the boulder county arts council i've become initially intimately aware of these organizations facility and venue needs no one knows what will be needed in the next 10 years

[80:01] let alone the next 15. and the removal of culture from the title ignores and repudiates all these organizations do and have done to encourage passage of the first tax and later the previous extension i encourage you to reinsert culture back into the and to restore the full 20 funding for our arts and nonprofits and i thank you for your time your attention and consideration thank you friend next we have cindy cepucha chip from downtown boulder and kathleen mccormick cindy hi all um cindy cipooka here and i live at 7173 old post road i'm gonna basically echo what you've already heard from jan deborah daniel nick and fran and um but i want to start off with a little bit of uh history

[81:00] way back in 2015 after extensive research hard work by city staff and many hundreds of hours of input from the community the city of boulder community cultural plan was passed unanimously by city council during the research portion of the creation of that plan it was brought to light that the city of boulder funds arts and cultural organizations at a fraction of the amount per capita compared to peer cities across the country one of the goals of the cultural plan was to work on chipping away at that difference the city has done an admirable job increasing that pool of grant funding for our communities arts organizations and while funding has increased it is still a fraction of the funding in peer cities that coupled with the fact that boulder has one of the highest concentrations of creative professionals per capita in the nation makes it a double whammy the community culture and safety tax helps make up some of that difference endless research has been conducted that can attest to the benefits of arts and culture brings to a community it improves well-being unifies communities strengthens the economy drives tourism and revenue for local business

[82:00] sparks innovation and on and on um and i get that the city has unmet financial needs to fund infrastructure projects listen i work for an organization and i'd like to see some of that tax revenue used for popular and necessary public infrastructure projects in downtown which i fully support but not at the expense of cutting funding for arts and cultural nonprofits which has made this tax such an important part of our community and the cultural landscape of boulder as a supporter of the arts and a member of the board of directors for the boulder county arts alliance but even more passionately a supporter of all things that build our community i'm asking you not to take a step backward by changing the community culture and safety tax maintain the hard work that has been done by past city council members public and nonprofit administrators keep culture in the name keep the 20 for arts and culture and let's get this baby passed thanks thank you cindy next we have chip and kathleen mccormack and we have michael parish signed up michael

[83:01] we do not see you in the meeting so if you could reach out either over the chat or in q a to let us know that would be great and with that we will go to chip thank you mayor weber good evening council members and i suppose council members my name is chip i'm the ceo of the downtown boulder partnership and i want to thank you for carefully considering the language of this really important ballot measure i know you all are keenly aware of the importance of investing in maintaining the city's buried infrastructure which this tax will help to a great degree but i'd also like to just take a moment to advocate specifically for the critical importance of social infrastructure and borrowing language from sociologists and author eric klinenberg who loosely defines social infrastructure as the physical elements of a community that act as a conduit to bring people together and build social capital and i certainly don't have enough time to sufficiently elaborate on why investing in these assets that shape our social interactions is

[84:01] increasingly important but i imagine you all have your own list of arguments but i will say that there are two projects among the staff recommendations tonight that among other great physical benefits fit squarely in the social infrastructure column as well and that is the pearl street mall refresh and the civic area phase two's improvements that jeff healey outlined in the presentation so in short i'd i'd like to thank staff and council for considerate consideration of the inclusion of these two projects in the ballot language and if i were given a closing argument if you will i would just point to the previous successes one in the transformation experienced as a result of phase one of the improvements of the civic area as well as to the the many calls i receive each month from leaders city leaders all over the country wanting to learn how their downtowns can be more like our beloved pearl street mall so again i think these these are very worthy projects and i i also uh would remind you that these

[85:01] are projects that do have a return on investment as we support uh these uh efforts in and around the downtown that just does generate more tax revenue to fund all of these worthy projects so again thank you for your consideration and as always thank you for your service thank you chip next we have kathleen mccormick michael parish and justin beech kathleen good evening city council members staff and council i'm kathleen mccormick and i live at 30 55 11th street in boulder as chair of the commission i can tell you that we support the strongest measures to provide facilities and spaces that encourage an equitable diverse inclusive welcoming and vibrant community arts and culture our foundational community infrastructure for healing inspiration and resilience as as we've seen challenging europe coveted strife over racial inequities and the tragedy of king supers

[86:00] the arts commission was concerned to learn that the word culture has not been included in the new title and that arts and culture have a small and vague piece in this ballot measure even though it's recognized as one of the top us cities for our size for arts and culture and our arts organizations draw a national and even international audience which supports our economic vitality as a city please consider some requests to support arts and culture capital infrastructure first out a larger percentage of the tax revenues ideally 15 to arts and culture for the physical facilities and spaces to do their work justice parks and recreation or other projects mentioned for this ballot measure have requested boulder's arts and culture community includes over 160 non-profit organizations very few of which own their facilities or can easily access appropriate spaces at affordable rents with the economic impacts of cobid we're hearing more about arts organizations that no longer can afford to rent in boulder

[87:00] which is a huge loss for our community facilities such as bomoca and dairy the dairy need room to expand and many organizations cannot find appropriate venues for classes rehearsals exhibits and maker and office spaces as they are displaced arts and culture spaces of all sizes but especially larger performance and gathering spaces are critically needed please consider allowing grants for smaller facility projects while also aggregating funding in tranches for larger projects that could be distributed every three or five years flexible ballot language is needed to allow for planning grants and small projects with immediate needs as well as larger grants facilities that could be show already down the road the idea of a cultural arts center for example with large and small spaces for performances community events and offices has been discussed for decades and explored in concept plans completed for the city as part of the civic center

[88:01] west bookend planning some arts and culture leaders believe the time is right to build such a transformational project for downtown boulder arts leaders are discussing public-private partnerships and capital fundraising campaigns for this and other projects that could better serve the whole community please also consider how the city will determine which nonprofit should get tax revenue funds who will define the process and administer this program could the boulder arts commission and office of arts and culture help determine distribution of arts organizations and or partner with an organization like the community foundation for distribution to non-profits a fair and equitable process will be critical for these public public infrastructure funds thank you for your for your consideration thank you kathleen and then last we have michael parish and justin beech we do not see michael parrish in the meeting michael if you could let us know with q a in chat if you're here

[89:01] and with that we'll turn to justin alrighty can you hear me we can thank you city council for your good work for the opportunity to speak to you this evening my name is justin veach i'm the president of the boulder county arts alliance's board of directors the boulder county arts alliance of course acts as a catalyst to incubate stimulate and sustain a thriving arts community here in boulder county i was first drawn to boulder from los angeles in the 90s to attend naropa and to study with allen ginsberg i got my first taste of the non-profit arts sector while working at the boulder museum of contemporary art which is which propelled me to a career in the arts that has spanned 25 years in counting after 15 years working in los angeles for a variety of arts organizations and receiving an mfa from the california institute of the arts i decided to return to boulder and continue my work in a place that had

[90:00] played such an essential role in my creative and professional development i have since helped get the jaipur literature festival off the ground as a key volunteer i worked for the boulder public library organizing author events for a while spent a glorious nine months working with nick forster and the great people at e-town and the last three and a half years and counting managing the lone mont museum steward auditorium what i've learned in this time is that the arts in boulder have been historically undervalued and under-supported and that the city is in an ideal position to take the lead in supporting the arts and elevating the essential role they play in the life of the city we've all heard much of the research and metrics demonstrating the extraordinary impact the arts can have upon a community's economy it's become a standard ingredient for any recipe designed for community revitalization but the arts and creativity are also an incredible contributor to the overall quality of life for a community the arts are a means to experience the world

[91:01] through another's eyes they offer us opportunities for connection recognition and understanding they help foster a healthy respect for difference which in turn leads to increases in things like you know empathy and tolerance support for the arts in other words is support for the social and cultural fabric of the community which is why it's so important to keep funding for the arts and culture a key part of this tax in line with create boulders and everyone's recommendations this evening the boulder county arts alliance supports the extension of the 0.3 tax and that its original name community culture and safety tax remain in place so as to demonstrate the city's commitment to the arms we also support the allocation of the full 20 to arts and cultural organizations for the funding of large-scale investments as well as smaller ones thank you for your time and thank you for your good work thank you justin and with that one last call uh do we see

[92:03] michael perish in the meeting all right thank you ryan with that we will bring the um public hearing to a close and we will turn to counsel for discussion and in emotions give me just one moment here all right i see juni aaron and mary juni yes i do have a question about the culture point that was made by many of the speakers earlier i was under the impression from our last council meeting that there was either it would be reinserted so i guess that's the staff staff did you have any opinion about what you heard at our last meeting as far as including culture

[93:04] i'll let i'll defer to staff if they want to weigh in but i know that we have talked internally a bit and we certainly defer to council can absolutely um place that back in if that is the desire um so we will defer to your discussions thank you juni did that answer your question um yes i i do support reinserting culture based on everything that i've heard earlier from the speakers also um at the last meeting we did also discuss increasing the amount away from 10 to something closer to either 12 or 15 okay thank you uh aaron and then hang on give me a moment i apologize i covered up my yeah aaron and then mary aaron yeah thanks for that jenny um i would also like to see the word culture added back

[94:01] into the text name so it could be community culture resilience and safety tax and it's not too bad of a mouthful and i think uh is would be um help gain support and i think show the commitment of the the tax measure to supporting cultural and other non-profit uh initiatives and then i wanted to to check in with council on the allocations um to the nonprofit um side of things i know the last direction given at the last meeting was more on the 10 side but we've heard some really compelling testimony both in email and uh at the public hearing tonight so i'd like to check in again to see if council would consider um you know changing that allocation to 15 for for the final here at the public the public hearing so we can let other people talk but i'd love to hear other people's thoughts and see if there might potentially be support for that 15 level time thank you thank you aaron and before i go to the others um i will say i'm i'm planning on doing

[95:02] a straw poll on both the culture and the um percentage amount to nonprofits if that's okay um with that we've got mary rachel and mark mary thanks sam um so we heard uh testimony about how the original tax and i presume that they were referring to the original attacks in 2014 um had um a 20 um because that that was the original one and then that original one was then renewed um and that's so it's been renewed a couple times and i'm just wondering um a if the very first time that it was put to the voters it had a percentage in there for the arts um and then that's part one of my question

[96:00] part two of my question is is it a um on a temporary tax like this that is renewed is there a um um requirement that there should be it should be this for the same thing um so those are that's my question in two parts great and i'll turn to staff nuria cheryl um would or sandra do one of you have information about the 2014 tax and the renewal or um i think mary's second part to your question was is it required to keep the same allocations during a renewal so um and and i am going to defer to joel for further detail on this but in the 2014 we did not specify a pers a specific percentage in the ballot language

[97:00] language we did however include specific projects so joel i don't know if you want to add anything to that sure uh thanks cheryl and good evening again council cheryl is correct the original ballot item listed specific projects so that um ballot item i'm sorry i was just pulling it up um from my notes here the the total projected revenues was 27.6 million there were two non-profit projects with that boulder museum or sorry museum of boulder and dairy center for the arts they totaled approximately 28 of that ballot um but it did not specify a percentage the second round again specified uh specific projects and the community projects there were 7.9 million on about 42 million dollars worth of projects

[98:00] and that was about 19 thank you joel and then i believe the second part of mary's question had to do with is it required if you do a renewal of attacks to keep this that quote same allocations so i'm hoping kathy will be able to answer that question so i'll defer to her can't hear you kathy oh now we can i think okay try again yeah sorry i'm having computer problems in case you can't um we cannot change the purpose of the text so that we got the capital improvements but we in analyzing it we did have enough private projects in there that were that were okay so um we did like joel said we did not have specific allocations before we don't have we're not tied to specific allocations or not and this one we are tied to related purposes good thank you for that mary did that

[99:01] answer your questions um i believe it did thank you thank you mary next we have rachel and mark rachel are we on questions or just dialogue full dialogue promotions or whatever right um so as to your straw poll on the putting culture back in the title i would be in the yes put it back in the title column um and then you know on the 10 versus 15 versus 20 percent of the tax i guess i feel like my understanding is that their return on investment for dollars that we invest in arts we get a two to one return so um i'm i'm a pretty strong proponent of um capitalizing on that and supporting the arts where we can um and then i i also am hopeful that sort of the infrastructure cavalry will arrive a bit

[100:00] from the federal government um and and the monies that we are expected both federal and state level so i'm i'm inclined to push for the full 20 percent to go to arts and hopefully that right thanks thank you mark yeah um you know there was no intent in naming the statute to either cut out the artistic community or frankly to offend them so i have no difficulty if we want to call it something along the lines of community resilience safety and culture tax that really wasn't the intent of of where we were going um and if it is important to them i'm more than happy to comply with respect to the allocations i remain convinced that um it is time for us to be serious about meeting our infrastructure needs and we've seen the numbers the numbers

[101:00] are approximately 295 million in unmet infrastructure needs and and when i look at that i usually lop 100 million off because you know there are some projects that are simply aspirational but that still leaves us with million dollars worth of infrastructure projects that we don't have funding for so this um renewal will still only get us you know between 50 and 60 of those and that list is likely to grow over time um certainly not going to shrink and so we're we're simply not responding to the deficit in capital expenditure funding that we ought to make um it has been my sad experience to actually live in a city where capital expenditures were ignored year after year after year uh and the impacts of that are unimaginable in terms of what it does to

[102:02] a city lack the loss of economic vitality and other impacts and so i remain convinced that the 90 10 is the way to go if we want to be serious about handling our backlog of infrastructure projects thanks thank you mark and i see no other comments so i was going to start with two straw goals um the first one will be do we want to add culture to the title of the tax i will propose um just arbitrarily that it be uh the straw poll be on community culture resilience and safety tax so if i could get uh junie would you like to say something before i take a struggle yes for the for the percentage-wise we'll get there in a moment i was going to do culture first and then percentage second if that's okay please do i i'd like to make a comment

[103:01] before you do that okay so um the proposal i put out there we'll take a straw poll on is community culture resilience and safety tax so if you'd raise your hand if that's okay with you if we make that change i'll count hands one two three four five six okay so we have plenty there so staff i think you've got direction if we could change that tax title the community culture resilience and safety tax that's the first part we'll then move to the percentage set aside for non-profits and juni who would you like to share with us yeah i i want to be i'm very optimistic about the poll that you're about to do but i also based on the conversation that we had last week i also want to be a pragmatist so today as you do in the poll i wonder if you could do maybe 20 15 and 12 percent

[104:00] so maybe if we do get 20 out of every one we get a majority then we don't have to go to the lower end but i just don't want it to be where we just take one pole and then it's over of course i i was thinking of starting with do we want more than 10 but if you'd like we can start it the other way i'd be happy to do that let's go 20 15 12 and 10. if we get a majority for any of those then we can move ahead with it okay so uh council members raise your hand if you would like 20 of this tax to be allocated to nonprofits i see three okay council members raise your hand if you'd like 15 percent i see three hands very good council members raise your hand if you'd like twelve percent i see four hands and so

[105:00] i'm going to say then that we are at 10 so if anyone would like to suggest a different way of doing the polling i think we have a majority of five who'd like to keep it at 10 okay with that i'll turn to staff um did you get everything that you needed from us tonight we did thank you and i will go ahead and we need to do a vote and i will say oh i'm sorry we'll move to about shortly bob you bet something i was just gonna make a motion okay please do i've never lost my materials hold on a second that was a little bit too quick i'm gonna do both of them at the same time if that's okay with everyone i move that we adopt in first reading um ordinance eight four seven six and eight ordinance eight four eight seven is there a second yes there is all right

[106:02] we have a motion and a second um alicia could uh get you in a second aaron um uh alicia we'll do a roll call as soon as aaron is finished if you're ready erin yeah uh bob do you want to amend that to include the revised title of the tax um i'm i'm sorry yes uh with with the revision for 8476 that would include the word culture in the name of the text thank you aaron okay very good staff i think has that so alicia i think we're ready for a roll call all right sir thank you very much everyone councilmember wallace hi weaver hi yates yes young yes rocket hi friend

[107:02] yes joseph yes mayor ordinances 8476 as amended and 8487 are approved to be introduced and published by title only excellent thank you very much and with that i think we're ready for the next item all righty next is item 4b the introduction first reading public hearing and consideration of a motion to order published by title only ordinance 8486 submitting to the registered electors of the city of boulder at the general municipal coordinated election to be held on tuesday november 2nd 2021 the question of amending section 46 of the boulder home ruled charter relating to the number of signatures of registered electors

[108:00] required on a referendum petition and conforming to amendments made to section 44 in 2018 setting forth the ballot title specifying the form of the ballot and other election procedures and setting forth related details and with that i'd like to present my good friend kathy haddock who's going to do the presentation thank you sandra this started out as a simple um change we thought and has become a little bit more complicated so i will try to present it in a way that makes it not as complicated i can assure you that we've done a lot in the office to try to to figure out and make sure that we've got it right and thank you for the teamwork and the cao and particularly sandra and putting this together and thanks emily for doing the slides so this um this charter amendment started kind of towards the end of the cycle wasn't part of our original planning because a good catch by a citizen that we have

[109:01] not um and i'm still on slide one that we had um not made conforming amendments to section 46 when the um changes were made to the charter in 2018 and those were to reduce the number of signatures that were required for initiative referendum and recall so that's where the ordinance started with that working recognizing that working group in 2018 we didn't make those um changes there then was a flurry of emails about how we should have made the revisions and they centered around where the words registered electors should be placed and how it modified things um we realized that it was placed in a different place in each section 38a 44 and 46. so the proposal before you tonight is amendments to all three of those our intent is to try to make the language as clear as possible not add additional words so i'm gonna

[110:00] start and we'll go to slide two now thanks emily um with the process for reviewing signatures on petitions when the clerk reviews petitions the petitions that come in with the signatures she first eliminates all signatures on petitions that are not from registered electors of the city then she counts to see how many valid signatures there are then she needs to figure out how many signatures there need to be for it to be a sufficient petition the clerk reviews the county election count from the previous two municipal candidate elections to determine how many signatures are required and averages those the reports from the county clerk only include those votes that were counted they don't include people that tried to vote that weren't registered or they weren't qualified to register or there was something else wrong with their ballot so when we are at this stage

[111:01] the county neither the county clerk or the city clerk is trying to figure out how many voters that voted in two years before or four years before registered electors they're just looking at the number of voters that there were four candidate elections in boulder and that's because challenges to election have to be timely they are not open forever um it is presumed that if nobody challenges within 10 days in an election all the people that voted were valid electors and entitled to vote and that's not changed so going to slide three the first amendment we have is to section 38 and as you can see in this one the qualifying language of registered electors is removed when referred to the counting of those who voted in the previous two candidate elections and that leaves the qualifying language of registered

[112:02] elector remains for the requirement of those that have to sign the referendum petition the initiative petition or the recall petition slide four please this is the amendments to section 44. it gets to the same place but for this one we had to add the qualification of registered electors of the city for the signature part and take it out when referring to the voters for the two years and four years prior to the initiative petitions slide five please this removes the qualifier of registered electors when referring to those who voted in the previous two candidate elections and then slide six is the ballot question itself we had the underlying shows what we changed from what's in the packet

[113:01] or at least the packet that was presented last week you should have received today the corrected packet and ordinance and this has the ballot requestion referring to the changes in 38a 44 and 46. so with that i'd be happy to answer any questions i am not seeing any council questions um i will pull up our public hearing okay give me just a moment i think we're going to be ready to move to that in a second just want to make sure i have the right list up here give me just one second

[114:22] i do have it so we have two speakers tonight uh lynn siegel and margaret lecompte because we have two each will get three minutes to speak and with that lynn you've got three minutes to speak on amending section 46 of the boulder charter oh i'm real ashamed of you going to 12 instead of 20 hello but to be quite honest i'm not informed about this so i'm not gonna speak i wave my time

[115:00] bye thank you lynn and with that we have margaret lecompte and i see in chat we don't see margaret here margaret with that we are going to close the public hearing and bring it back to council for discussions or motion aaron it well i want to appreciate um staff for coming up with a good solution for this problem uh so we did get an email uh pointing out some some uh issues with the previous version and i appreciate your attention to this and so i'm happy to go ahead and put a motion on the table um i'll um move that um

[116:00] movie we adopt ordnance 84 86 and specifically the version that was uh posted on hotline uh earlier today thank you sir second second we have a motion and a second aaron you want to speak to your mission well this is just a cleanup provision so you know we were doing some really complicated charter changes back a handful of years ago and so there was a flaw in what was done and this corrects that flaw and this updated version uh takes it all the way to making sure that all these different charter provisions are consistent so it seems like a good thing to put in front of the voters get cleaned up all right thank you aaron any other council comments very good seeing none alicia you want to take us to a roll call all right thank you sir mayor weaver hi

[117:01] councilmember yates yes young yes rocket hi friend yes joseph hi nagle hi swetlick yes and wallach aye sir item 4b ordinance 8486 is hereby approved to be introduced and published by title only thank you alicia and then i think we're ready to move on to the next item all right next we have item 4c which is a second reading and motion to adopt ordinance 8477 submitting to the electors of the city of boulder at the general municipal coordinated election to be held on tuesday november the second twenty twenty one the question of amending section seven of the boulder city charter relating to council compensation by

[118:02] requiring the council compensation be paid in equal amounts throughout the year to be paid on the same schedule as other city employees setting forth the ballot title specifying the form of the ballot and other election procedures and setting for related details and second reading and motion to adopt ordinance 8478 submitting to the electors of the city of boulder at the general municipal coordinated election to be held on tuesday november 2nd 2021 the question of amending section 9 of the boulder city charter relating to council meetings by making explicit councils authority to create committees and limiting the size of committees to less than a quorum setting forth the ballot title specifying the form of the ballot and other election procedures and setting for related details and kathy haddock will also be presenting on item 4c thank you thank you and thank you emily

[119:01] for doing the slides and for this one we are ready for slide two in ordinance 8477 section seven shows the changes to the code to even out the payments for capital members without increasing the pay and emily there you go um the reason for the highlighting in this is that when we were researching the candidate elections before we realized that um ordinance 8420 passed by the voters last year for ranked choice voting was not codified so in this slide we are showing the changes that the voters approved last year that were not in your packet form so last year council amended i'm sorry the voters amended section 7 to say council members and the mayor we're not making any change to that part but then when we get down to the highlighted part below we have to address the fact that there will be a mayor elected in november of 2023 that also

[120:01] has the opportunity to do this same election so that language is added so that the mayor can make the election for the person elected in 2023 and thereafter and otherwise this uh the amendment to section 7 in 84 77 is the same as this was in your packet slides whoops sorry about that it's okay um slide three is the ballot question itself um which adds also the language for the so we're addressing the mayor elected in november of 2023 and then slide four is ordinance 8478. this one does not have any changes from what's in your packet um this shows the language um i didn't print out everything before that was change of first few paragraphs are not changed um obsolete language is deleted

[121:01] and then the change is underlined on this slide to make it clear the council has the authority to appoint council committees they generally consist of no more than two council members and in no event shall be greater than a quorum other council members can attend council committees but shall not participate and then it changes from may to shell the requirement to appoint a council committee when screening applications for city manager city attorney or municipal court and this was also recommended by the council charter committee and slide five is the ballot question for ordinance eight four seven eight and i'm happy to answer any questions very good kathy i have a question um in if you can go back one slide to the previous slide my question is we often have a standing evaluation subcommittee that gets appointed and then as needed we appoint

[122:01] subcommittees for looking for city manager city attorney or municipal court judge is there anything in the language that you propose that requires it to be a single subcommittee to do that list of things or is it okay to appoint a separate subcommittee for each one of those different things you can appoint a separate subcommittee for each one of those things the first sentence that we add is to specifically give council the authority to do to appoint council committees so in addition to the one you're required to appoint you can appoint as many as you want okay because uh it just okay if you think that that's good um and clear that we can do separate committees for each of those city managers city attorney municipal court judge and evaluation then i'm good with that okay any other questions council members

[123:01] okay seeing none we can go to the public hearing we have one person signed up for the public hearing on this that's lynn siegel lynn you have three minutes yeah um i don't know exactly how you can do this but i think that with the population growing the way it is in boulder with all this development you need to do something that's more representative as far as choosing the committees and as far as choosing the city manager and the city attorney and such um and and i don't see you improving the representation by increasing the population this much with cu south and with all those developments that i bark to you about every single week that's reducing my democracy it's reducing everyone's representation in the city of

[124:02] boulder by increasing the population phenomenally like you are encouraging it driving it on egging it on with cu south if you're going to ask me to revise the city charter this way and i'm going to agree to it on a ballot measure then you better increase my representation by decreasing the population and that's the opposite of what you're doing done thank you lynn and with that we'll bring the public hearing to close and return to council for discussion questions or motion mary you're a mute

[125:00] we received a suggestion that moved the sentence and under no circumstances be a quorum i forget exactly if you could put up that slide and emily i believe that's slide three of the last one no slide four i think right there um a suggestion that move um the um other council members may attend any council committee meeting to observe but shall not participate ahead of um and to no such event be equal or greater than a quorum of console so the the intent i don't remember what the exact movement of the sentence was but the intent was that the subcommittee itself can be no greater shall be equal in no event be equal or

[126:02] greater than a quorum and then um that the council members attending cannot total um be equal or greater than a quorum so i guess i have to look up that email to tell you what that language was um but does somebody have that email handy i do um i believe what it says is that it added a sentence to the end um to after other council members may attend any council meeting to observe but shall not participate there was an additional sentence added that read in no event shall the number of council members attending a committee meeting be equal or greater than a quorum of counsel right and i just wanted to that that

[127:00] suggestion made sense to me um and i wanted to just ask my um colleagues what they think of that suggestion thanks mary uh i see bob and then i have the thought as well yeah i'll respond mary thanks for raising that up as an issue um i'm not exactly sure how we would work i'm number one um because i don't know if it's the first come first serve i guess a quorum is five and so we had a committee of two and two people showed up and then a third person showed up i guess it's like first come first serve and then it's even more complicated with committee meetings um at least for the time being occurring on um zoom i don't i don't know how um somebody simply observing but not speaking has has an undue influence on the two two council members who are actually engaged in the committee so i did give some careful thought to that suggestion but i'm just not sure how it work or whether it's even necessary but that's my thought i guess i'll follow up marion and i also

[128:00] understand the intent of what you're suggesting but i i don't see the risk here because i don't believe that even a quorum of council members could just call a meeting without some kind of public notice so i i'm i'm thinking that there wouldn't be a way for this to turn into a meeting if a subcommittee meeting is called and the two um appointed members are there and then observers are there i don't think that that a meeting could be called i guess i'd turn to sandra and ask about that if if you had a quorum of council members any place not just a subcommittee meeting but any place they couldn't just call a council meeting right there would have to be some kind of notice i think that it would depend on whether there was um council business being discussed at the meeting generally speaking we take a conservative approach and and do notice on public meetings but um there would

[129:01] actually have to be action and work being done related to um you know the business of government because it you know if you can imagine we have social events where we have more than a quorum you know or we have a quorum i should say of council members and we don't notice those meetings okay um mary would it be helpful to you if there were a sentence in here that said something along the lines of no other council business may be taken up at these uh council committee meetings um or something yeah yeah that would be helpful or something that says that um any any council business shall be brought forward to the full council or something like that um what i'm thinking is similar to like

[130:00] when we were having executive sessions where we would have all this discussion and then um any kind of official vote any official decision was brought to [Music] a council meeting so in a manner where no nothing can be conducted no decision can be made unless it's brought forward to the full council at a business meeting or special meeting something like that oh sorry go ahead no go ahead well i was just going to allow kathy if she if there's anything that she would like to add um she's really she's an expert on quora and open records or open meetings i should say um go ahead kathy if there's anything that you want to add and i'm trying to make sure i understand the problem that potentially we're trying to fix um so council committees

[131:03] are open to the public so those meetings are open to the public you take minutes and and you take records so notice is required if you were concerned that that committee would talk about matters beyond the scope of the authority that's been given to the committee by council we could address the problem that way if the um concern is that meetings that council members may get together and discuss items that aren't on an agenda contrary to your already your open meetings requirements there might be a different way to address it so um is the concern that when a bunch of that when several council members get together that they're going to talk about something beyond what the meeting is called for and is that what we're trying to fix that's a question to marry yes

[132:03] do you mind if i chime in go ahead aaron please do aaron because i i mean i i read that email as well and my understanding of it was more that it was concerned that if you had multiple additional council members they might be making hand signals or or you know like gestures or you know kind of participating in subtle ways so so as to you know in in influence and you know from with the majority of council which is a concern that i don't really share i you know occasionally somebody will sit in on cac and you get up to four council members and they're always quiet you know nobody nobody says anything and the language specifically says any additional members shall not participate and so if they were you know making little you know signals or something that would be a form of participation and would be not allowed so you know if two council members showed up at cec and listen i i don't think that's that's a problem so i i i think i would go with the language as

[133:01] currently proposed i so i i i'll i'll drop it um i i don't um hear my colleagues having any similar concerns and others have given it a lot more consideration so um i will go with the proposed language okay super and then i think we're still looking for a motion i'm just looking for the motion if you would if somebody would bring it up

[134:07] you're looking for this slide for the slide with the motion on it oh i'm sorry i did not do a separate slide for the with the motion okay that's okay i'll find it on the in the packet and i can read it for you mary if you'd like and i will move what sandra reads okay motion to adopt ordinance 8477 submitting to the electors of the city of boulder at the general municipal coordinated election to be held on tuesday november 2nd 2021 the question of amending section 7 of the boulder home rule charter relating to council compensation by requiring that council compensation be paid in equal amounts throughout the year to be paid on the same schedule as other city employees setting forth the ballot title specifying the form of the ballot and

[135:00] other election procedures and setting forth related details did you want me to go ahead and read the second one as well i found it i can read it okay and second reading and consideration of a motion to adopt ordinance 8478 submitting to the electors of the city of boulder at the general municipal coordinated election to be held on tuesday november 2nd 2021 the question of amending section 9 of the boulder home rule charter relating to council meetings by removing provisions that expired on december 31st 2017 explicitly allowing to appoint council members generally containing two council members and in no event a number equal to or exceeding a quorum of council allowing council members not appointing not appointed to attend but participate in council committee meetings requiring council to appoint a recruitment committee for the three council appointments

[136:01] setting forth the ballot title specifying the form of the ballot and other election procedures and sending forth related details second very good we have a motion and a second alicia if you could take us through a roll call that would be great all right thank you sir councilmember yates yes young yes rocket hi friend yes joseph yes mayor ordinances 8477 and 8478

[137:01] are hereby adopted excellent and i'd like to jump in and just say and kathy you can correct me if i'm wrong but this is second reading and so i believe we had changes during this um version for this version so it will need to go to third reading on consent on august 17th correct okay okay thank you okay so they're not adopted so so may i ask sandra did what changes did we make um so i thought we went ahead with it as proposed did we make changes we did not make changes to 8478 we did make changes to 8477 and this is where you guys will have to help me with the council procedure i believe that by correcting the packet

[138:00] before the meeting with what you receive for 84 77 before this meeting that means we do not have to go to third reading on these two is that correct so aaron you've got a hand up well um it was in it was done before the meeting but the text that we just adopted was different from the first reading text and it was it was substantive right to include the the mayor in the text so that that strikes me as something that would require a third reading okay okay so so to follow through on this it sounds like we need to go to third reading on 8477 but i do not believe we need to go to third reading on 84.78 correct correct okay super that's great thank you for the clarification tendra you bet

[139:01] all right sir just so i'm clear we will move 8477 to a third reading therefore it's not adopted and we will go ahead and proceed with the adoption of 8478 okay great thank you all right our next item serve we're ready to move on yes is item number five matters from the city manager 5a is the people's crossing and land acknowledgement update thanks alicia and uh sort of as the city continues to lean in and uplift racial equity and social justice issues staff has been working hard on the land acknowledgement update and we have dan burke and phil yates i believe to talk a little bit more about that great thank you nuria uh good evening council dan burke director of the city's open space and mountain parks department

[140:00] and i will be joined by phil and clay fong in just a bit and there's some other staff that are on the line if there's questions uh this is an update uh to uh inform you of the progress that we're making on two efforts uh by the city uh that is designed to strengthen our relationships with uh american indian tribal nations who we regularly consult with as well as indigenous peoples in our community just to uh remind council community uh this is actually our fourth touch together with staff and council on uh on these issues on april 6 uh we uh gathered together at a council meeting and had a uh a preparation session with earnest house in order to prepare for the tribal consultation uh that was then held on april 7th in which a number of council members participated in it was a very successful tribal consultation uh uh a full day on april 7th we made a lot of progress on issues that we've been

[141:01] discussing over the past several years um in which the name change of settlers park to the people's crossing was one of them and that's one of our updates to you tonight and then on june 1st i was joined by uh phil yates uh who uh uh uh help us uh sort of take the last step if you will and formally change in the name of settlers part to the people crossing uh to the people's crossing and we had a good discussion with council on june 1st so this is our fourth uh um time together on these issues and with that i am going to turn things over to our communication specialist in the city of boulder phil yates to update you on uh on the people's crossing name change as well as the land acknowledgement so phil all right thank you dan good evening council members i appreciate the opportunity to give you these updates tonight um i just also want to take a moment to thank all the staff from several departments who've been

[142:00] cooperating and working on these two projects i also want to thank emily and alicia for their assistance tonight next slide or actually next slide so yeah first we'll start with just the update on the people's crossing next slide uh before we start again uh with the presentation and get deep into it just i think it's important to look back about the meaning behind the people's crossing uh this was um conversations the name came from two consultations we had with tribal representatives and the meaning behind the name is um that boulder and the settlers park area formerly the settlers park area have been a crossroads for indigenous people who have traversed and lived in the area since in the mountains and plains of boulder since time memorial that the people and our people are english translations for how many american indian tribal nations refer to themselves in their native languages and that the usage of the term the people is meant to be

[143:01] inclusive of people who have traveled through and lived in the boulder area next slide well since the name change has been it was adopted open space and mountain parks have we've updated the interactive trail map we've created a new trailhead page on the new city website with an alert actually describing the the process for how we've came to this important community development we've installed temporary signs in the area just to inform visitors of the name change and the sign actually has qr codes and bitly codes that will link to the project web page that provides more information about the process and the meaning behind the name next slide by late september we anticipate installing a trial a trail head id sign will be that will be installed at the

[144:01] people's crossing parking lot uh there's gonna be a trailhead kiosk just north of uh farmer's ditch that's the secondary kiosk there will be trail map signs updated with the new name at the people's crossing the chautauqua trailhead panorama point the halfway house realization point and the centennial trailheads in addition to that we anticipate putting additional wayfinding signs with the new name in the area next slide once we've installed that infrastructure we anticipate distributing additional community communications just to remind community members of the name change and to announce the installation of new sign infrastructure um so that will be communications through a press release next door social media in the emails and then as a part of this work we are also planning the october community event to celebrate the fifth anniversary of the indigenous peoples day resolution in boulder and the people's crossing

[145:00] renaming effort along with that um we are also planning an event um with tribal representatives for the anticipate or for the march consultation next year and clay fong is here to answer questions about indigenous peoples day events this year next slide so right now we're focusing and inviting tribal representatives to participate in the city tribal working group that we agreed to at the 2021 consultation in april what the first goal of that working group and the primary focus of that working group is to help us develop long-term interpretive panels in the area to remind um to talk about the indigenous presence on the land and just to provide additional knowledge for how we can develop probably additional signage across the system but primarily focused on the area we're also as a part of that and speaking with other departments we are

[146:00] talking with other staff about the settlers park inscription that is on the underpass uh it's part of the pathway that will take you to uh from ebon g fine nor uh north to the people's crossing and what we're doing is we're talking the transportation mobility excuse me transportation and mobility public works and parks and recreation again about the long-term future of that inscription but we're also planning to speak with the city tribal working group to gather their ideas about what to do with the inscription next slide yeah now i'd like to provide an update about the city's work to develop a landing knowledge event next slide so since early 2021 we've been focusing and working on developing a formal land acknowledgment through the staffer it's included we've had several lessons from the community and american indian tribal nations and as a part of this work we've really

[147:00] kind of honed in on four key purposes for this effort and the first is to use the statement to educate the community and honor indigenous people who have traversed lived in and stewarded lands in the area since time memorial reckon honestly with a legacy of american european colonization of indigenous lands and a history of removal policies that violated human rights and broke government treaties we want to use the land acknowledgment to inspire community education reflection and action for indigenous community members and american indian tribal nations and finally we want to take additional steps to fulfill the indigenous peoples day resolution and our racial equity plan next slide so we've taken several steps um as a part of this process but first we really want to extend our uh gratitude to community members who developed the indigenous people's day resolution and staff has based the land acknowledgement work on their hard efforts with the resolution serving as a foundation for a

[148:00] city land acknowledgement we've taken several steps through this process we've spoken to the human relations commission on february 20th we conducted some community uh we conducted community engagement for about three weeks during that time we received community input on themes and ideas not in the indigenous people's day resolution that could be included in the land acknowledgment we then provided an update to boulder city council on april 6th and then we presented with all that input we presented a preliminary draft to tribal representatives and we stressed that it was just the starting point and that the city was open to receiving feedback since tribal consultation we're continuing to receive comments on a land acknowledgment this summer and it's important to note that tribal representatives are quite busy this summer with consultations and ceremonies and community events so we're expecting feedback to keep

[149:00] coming through this summer and here we're here tonight to give you an update about all this ongoing work next slide and so the collective weave input we've received through these several steps have led to content that is currently in the draft acknowledgement that we're still receiving feedback on and so the first theme was we really wanted to base the acknowledgement like i said before on the city's indigenous people's day resolution we want to acknowledge indigenous peoples who've lived in traversed and stewarded lands in the boulder valley since time memorial we want to recognize tribal nations that have agreements with the city of boulder and have historical connections to colorado and consult with city and staff we want to honor indigenous people with their own names and in their own languages we want to recognize that knowledge shared over countless generations have has shaped enduring cultural and spiritual connections with the land and natural ecosystems

[150:00] next slide we also want to stress traditions oral histories and languages still connect tribal nations and indigenous people with the area we want to refute past justifications for the colonization of indigenous lands and as a part of this acknowledgement we also want to identify specific ways the acknowledgement can initiate meaningful action for indigenous community members and american indian tribal nations and create an acknowledgement that can adapt with time incorporate new knowledge and histories and meet changing community needs next slide but we recognize excuse me that we need to take action beyond words currently we're developing ways to use the acknowledgement to inspire purposeful reflection in action for indigenous community members and american indian tribal nations when we begin new projects we start long-term community plans we recruit and retain staff we develop work plans that guide our day-to-day work and when we plan city council and board

[151:01] and commission meetings and while we're also conducting council board and commission meetings so definitely taking well the words and trying to take that into action next slide and so here's just some examples um first is that we just plan to develop several several versions of the land acknowledgment that will include a full version and shorter examples um in order just to accommodate the different formats that it might be needed in those formats could include the web or which would have the full version background and additional information signs email signatures and other content so definitely trying to think about the different ways that we can use this to help educate and communicate the indigenous presence on the land since time memorial next slide another possible example is for a slide

[152:02] for community members boards and commissions and council to reflect on before the meetings occur this could provide an opportunity to tie the landing acknowledgement to meeting agenda items and really help prevent recitation of the acknowledgement without meaningful reflection so this is one other idea next slide but we still have several steps ahead of us as we continue with this project like i said before we're still continuing to incorporate tribal nation feedback like we said they consult with a lot of different agencies across the country and that they're busy this summer and that we might not be able to receive some additional feedback through the fall we're also planning to refine how we can use a land acknowledgement to initiate meaningful action we anticipate consulting staff agenda meeting members to hear additional feedback and input for how we can use the land

[153:00] acknowledgement and as agreed to at the 2021 consultation we're inviting tribal representatives to participate in a city tribal working group um that working group is expected to maybe meet sometime later this summer or early fall and as agreed to at the consultation to help us finalize the city's plan land acknowledgement one thing that we're really focused on and are interested in is really trying to let me skip somewhere is really try to include original indigenous names and their meanings in the acknowledgement we're also trying to see if we can create a pronunciation guide that can help community members pronounce indigenous names but that's certainly pending resources and other barriers so as we look ahead a lot of steps still left to do and we're anticipating a council update in fall winter of 2021 but looking back on what we had spoken back in april it could take additional time and finalizing this could occur over two

[154:02] consultations so with that next slide open to questions about all this ongoing work thank you so much dan and philip for the presentation uh council do we have any questions mary thank you for all of this fine work um it's it's really um wonderful to be in this place after six years since the um the resolution passed um my question has to do with um the sign um that is the plaque that commemorates rey and eunice cornell that includes the phrase settlers park um so it says that the city doesn't have

[155:01] jurisdiction to change it um but the city could in in good faith um the city or a council member say could approach um whoever has jurisdiction over it to ask for um cooperation in um in friendly cooperation collaboration to change the sign is that possibility i think that's definitely the case i mean it just is not located on our property and it i think it's the personal property of someone else so i think yeah i would take additional investigation and communication with their family to speak with them and understand how they want to approach that thing moving forward okay great um thank you yeah i guess actually well i have the floor i have another question about this one is about

[156:01] the land acknowledgement um you had the slide where it says potential places in which it could be used and um in it it included like planning for council meetings and planning for boards and commissions meetings i'm not envisioning exactly how it would be used in the planning of a council meeting so the planning of a council meeting to me is like cac so i yeah could you just elaborate a little bit on that please yeah so the idea was more of just to reflect on it when important items that affect community members indigenous community members and tribal nations just to reflect on that when actually putting agendas together um that was kind of the initial idea amy are you here i should maybe talk a little bit more about that yeah i'm here um yeah so actually phil you were right on the right track um when we're like looking at putting together what an agenda might look like

[157:00] and ensuring that um we've got this acknowledgement in our minds with any decisions that will be made moving forward so i could see it happening at a cac meeting depending on what's kind of coming down the pike on the work plan um but yeah i think for the most part it would be at the beginning of a meeting that would be relevant does that help answer your question mary well i'll i'll ask um so the intent then would be basically to um it's basically a way of embedding our actions through the reflection of the landing knowledgement prior to beginning a project or um yeah got it 100 much more eloquently put yeah absolutely that's absolutely true thank you i get it now thank you yeah the intention is really to ensure that it's not just

[158:00] some rote thing that's being stated before any type of board commission or council meeting or even a city training being sure that we're really being intentional because that can happen and we've seen it happen in other jurisdictions and we want to ensure that we're not doing that great thank you my pleasure okay good counsel any other thoughts any feedback for the team anything very good i will i will jump in and say it is great to see this progress occurring on the renaming of the people's crossing it is also really heartening to see those signs going up and so on i want to say that i recall from some of the consultations there was discussion about you know a naming ceremony and how the different tribes would look at doing that maybe a little bit differently from each other so i think it's well worth thinking about how to um do that acknowledgement a public acknowledgement that the

[159:01] park name is now uh the people's crossing and that um it has been done in collaboration with the tribes so i think that's an important piece of this um and i guess also i just want to appreciate how much thought is going into the land acknowledgement because i do see a lot of rote kind of recitations of words with i think a lot of lack of connection and i think doing it at the right times and in the right ways and for the right purpose can kind of prevent that from happening so i guess i'll say one last thing um you know my experience with decision making uh in these consultations has been that it's extremely deliberate and careful um and then once it's arrived at it tends to carry forward for a long time so i think the time invested in this um it may seem like it's moving slowly but that's kind of purposeful i think and and we should resist any temptation to be

[160:00] impatient or rush things i think the pace that's been going has shown that we've been arriving at some really important milestones along the way so i want to thank everyone involved um particularly the tribes that have been part of the consultations and getting us here so thank you all very much thank you awesome alicia what do we have next i got it all right sir next we have item number seven matters from the mayor and members of council 7a is the in-person council meeting discussion excellent and nuria do you want to help lead us through that sure thank you mayor so um i guess a couple of things i'll say as we set off the conversation right one is we had originally planned to have you all come back

[161:00] after the july break and come back to council in person we had some technology issues we wanted to work out just to make sure that we could do that in a way that was still taking testimony in a hybrid approach as we are not anticipating opening the muni building to the public until the fall we have worked out and gotten the equipment in place and so we are now ready when council would like to come back to have meetings in chambers but since those initial discussions cases have certainly been on the rise we have seen a change and trends sort of veering in the wrong direction with covid particularly with the variant we've had multiple conversations with staff as this has been going on certainly i've had conversations with some of uh council members as well in the past and we've been keeping and tracking what

[162:00] the cdc is telling us and monitoring to what our regional partners are doing as well i'll say that uh my position on coming back into chambers and coming back even in the fall as we transition back has evolved as we have seen some of these changes in the covet variant rise i know that we are going to have a meeting on this topic with the county on august 17th um but thanks to staff and james brown and pam davis in particular who put some numbers together what i'll say is that we have seen in the past two or three weeks and this is one of the things that has really made me reconsider where we are uh in the past two or three weeks we've seen about 25 employees been exposed to coven 19 some of those have been breakthrough cases i want to emphasize that not every staff member has tested positive but what as

[163:02] we were being alerted to that what we realize is that a lot of staff members who had been exposed and were being then tested were in fact folks that have been unvaccinated to date yet we've also seen our seven day rolling average uh in the county is about 39.4 cases per day this in comparison just last week the highest average was 25.1 so we ourselves here in the county are seeing increases in cases as we move forward we understand that 95 of those cases in colorado are now delta variant so with all of that i will say that i have shared with staff last friday an email saying that we are and i'll say too to honor staff as well not only have we heard concerns from council and from community but staff

[164:00] members have also been sharing as we have been having town halls and they're talking to their directors we've been having increasing anxiety from staff about coming to work so we have been again thinking about what do we need to do to make sure we're augmenting our safety precautions as clearly as we can as all this has been going on i'll say that i had a fellow council member in another city said something that resonated but that resonated with me um and that really was that we owe it to ourselves to community and by community i also mean our staff folks that they should not be worried about whether a city person helping them from first responders to those providing customer service is placing them at risk in those moments when you're vulnerable and needing assessment assistance you're not really thinking about is the person that's helping me

[165:00] vaccinate it or not because they are not wearing a mask so over time i think we have evolved and we are now in a place where we have shared with staff that we are soon to be issuing new guidelines concerning masking mandates and certainly we are waiting and continuing to par partner with our boulder county counterparts uh in conformance to what cdc is bringing forth but we're also moving to figure out how do we have staff report their vaccination status and allow and a compromise for those that cannot get vaccinated either by choice or by religious objections or for medical reasons and we know that that's there what steps do we need to put in place so that then if they are unable to get vaccinated what reasonable accommodations can we find or frankly what other measures we may do which may be to issue that they have to wear a mask anytime they are in a public facility so

[166:02] i share that to say that we are moving in a direction to increase our safety both to our public and to our staff and to you um and that uh we are hoping to hear from you about the ways in which you want to come back and ways you are thinking about coming back into our public facilities and into in-person meetings as we move forward thank you nuria um council i think the question before us really is um what do we want to do as far as coming back in person there's a much broader conversation to be had about covet and city policy i believe we're teed up to have that conversation on august 17th and so tonight the question before us really is do we want to even try and establish a date when we want to meet in person i think it's uh kind of open forum to weigh in on what we're thinking about that there will be a more fulsome discussion

[167:01] of the entire set of numbers and kind of a big picture uh city organizational directions but i don't think we need to touch on all of that tonight tonight really is a more focused question to give direction to staff on are we anticipating wanting to come back you know in two weeks in a month uh how do other council members want to look at this i certainly have my opinions but i'd love to hear from the rest of you before i go into that so um with that i'm going to open the floor up and let's hear from you guys what your thoughts are i see mark and then aaron mark okay um all right first noria thank you for for that um description of where we're headed it certainly does not create a lot of confidence on my part for a very very quick resumption of in-person meetings i'm not sure we need to to put a time on it so much as we need to be responsive to changing conditions

[168:00] because we're sort of headed south uh i i don't really know if we even want to have the conversation until we see you know a dramatic improvement in uh in infections uh and hospitalizations etc um i would simply leave it open at the moment i mean if rather than keep moving the goal posts um i'd rather wait for a moment when we can establish the goal post and hopefully make it um so that's simply my view on this besides that my last comment is that you know i no longer think of people as three-dimensional i wouldn't want to be disappointed by showing up and seeing everybody in full thanks mark uh aaron and then rachel aaron yeah i agree i've been looking forward to getting back to in person but with uh trends moving in the wrong direction now does not seem the time and i agree with mark that we can take a wait and see position i think that's perfectly fine

[169:00] and then i know we're going to have a bigger conversation two weeks but mary i just appreciate that you're reevaluating the city's approach to uh masking and vaccinations for city with employees so i appreciate that sounds like it's moving in a good direction thanks aaron rachel yeah um thanks for this nuria um a couple things you know you're asking for our feedback on when we return if i understand it like what what would we like to see and so i will say for my part um you know and i think this applies to everywhere in the city not just chambers but um i would hope that it is kind of the trend that you're looking at people who are vaccinated and have submitted proof of that or have been given a reasonable accommodation that is set out in advance for wearing a mask or something that protects them as well as everyone else who's there and you know in terms of everyone else who's there i don't know at what point we're thinking about members of the public coming but that's

[170:01] you know i guess like phase two or something of how we'll have to think through that um i think there are conversations happening nationally around um vaccine passports and things like that and i would think that that you know if it's if it's something optional and where you're going to be in a closed room with people for a while i guess i personally would hope that we and members of the public are keeping each other safe and same rules would apply either you're vaccinated or you're wearing a mask and if you're wearing a mask and you don't know that people are vaccinated then i think maybe we all have to wear masks so that's that's a possible number another level of it um and obviously with delta i don't my understanding is that vaccinated people are passing it back and forth as well so i think that until we know more about that it doesn't make sense to go back at all because this seems like a more optional thing to be in chambers and and along those lines i'm glad that we're getting an update on the 17th but that seems

[171:01] a little you know two weeks in covid time is um you know it can be exponential um so in terms of things like city and county mass mandates and and what we're doing with staff hopefully that's not waiting on us for for two weeks to have those conversations or make those decisions it seems like um i wouldn't want to delay any important important progress all right thank you thank you rachel bob yeah i also want to acknowledge uh nuria and her staff for the hard work they've done over the last week or so to evaluate this situation as rachel said it's a very dynamic situation it's changing from day to day and i appreciate the open mindedness and the flexibility that nuria and her staff have demonstrated in this i know you'll make the right decisions with respect to the more narrow question about when council returns to chambers i think we were all looking forward to getting back together a few weeks ago we had a technical glitch that postponed things on the

[172:00] glitch is now gone we have another problem um and it just occurs to me that if we have a situation where community members are not going to be in chambers with us and if we have some staff members who are concerned about being in chambers with each other or with us um it probably doesn't make a whole lot of sense for us to get together in chambers it's just it's just the nine of us and and we seem to be getting along just fine as mark says in 2d and there's only really one more meeting that would have would have taken place in person before labor day and that's the meeting two weeks from now on august 17th which ironically is the meeting at which we're going to learn more about the variant because we have a study session on the 10th of august the 24th of august which would have been online anyway we have a fifth tuesday off at the end of august so it seems to me i concur with my council colleagues we should make the august 17th meeting um virtual as well we're going to learn more then we're going to learn more in in in for the rest of the month and then as we approach um the fall um we can make a kind of a meeting by

[173:01] meaning determination whether we feel comfortable getting back together and more importantly whether our staff feels comfortable um rejoining us and when we want to invite community members back into chamber so i agree with mark i think this is a a week-by-week case-by-case basis and i wouldn't put any artificial dates out there other than i would say let's do august 17 virtually thanks bob i've got adam and julie adam yeah i agree with what's been said and i just don't think mark could handle my third dimension anyway so judy yeah i i do agree with um [Music] the staying online until we have further guidance and examining further with the new environment variant variant that is coming because again it's it's evolving and i think we definitely need more

[174:00] information to know what is the next step so i think staying online for now um is the best way to keep us safe and keep other people in the community safe as well and i think i've mentioned this before [Music] going into chamber is not for us it's for the community and if the community is not there um i i wonder what's the value of sitting in in that chair next to your name when really you participate in chamber so that you can be with community and there would not be any community because again with everything that is constantly shifting and changing we have to think okay do we also want to put community members in chamber and put perhaps their lives at risk so i'm staying online i think is the best way to go as far as the vaccine passport i mean i watch the news all the time i'm not sure if that's the right way to go but i would say maybe the city should consider just

[175:01] following cdc guidelines and federal policies because um recently i think i've heard president biden mentioning you know for federal employees maybe they will have those guidelines whereas people have to carry uh maybe have some type of a vaccine passport i i don't know but i from what i've seen um watching the news there's heated debate about that as well um again it's about keeping communities safe and doing the right things for community members but again we still have to ensure safety as well also balancing you know what people would call their freedom of choice so um as someone who's been vaccinated i would say um we still want to make people feel welcome but also protect other community members from this you know this deadly virus um yeah i think following it following

[176:00] cdc guidelines should be what we do in this community as opposed to um going on on our own and figure things out thank you juni mary yeah i'm so i the only thing i would have to add to everything that's been said is that um if and when we come back um hopefully prior to the end of this term um it should be done in a manner that we aren't wearing masks at the dice because if we are wearing masks at the dice um i would think that that is way less transparent no pun intended than um being in a zoom call so um so whatever we do we should be there maskless and um and if we can't do it that way then there's really no point in doing it um in 3d

[177:02] great thank you mary and i'll just close up here i i agree with pretty much everything that's been said um i will say there's two purposes for this discussion i figured it would probably land here it's no surprise we're all watching the news and watching going in the wrong direction i think the reason that we would like to return is as juni says for the community and for ourselves i think we get a lot more out of meetings in person we can see body language we can understand you know how people are trying to express themselves through you know means other than just the 2d that we get here however mary's exactly right if we're going to be wearing masks um we shouldn't bother and you know it will be assigned to us into the community when we can get together safely without mass in that room um and that would be the beginning point you know won't be the end point we'll have to get our study sessions in person we'll have to bring the public back to both

[178:01] council meetings and study sessions so this is really setting the expectation that by and large our community like everyone else in the country has seen a setback in the progress on covet the the answer to this is vaccination and the answer to this is making it as widely available as possible i think there's going to be some very large societal forces that are going to come to bear on this and and as we have even higher levels of vaccine penetration we may see a time when we can get back together in person but i guess i'll say i don't think that that's going to be well into september um you know that's just me looking into a crystal ball we each have one i'm guessing that it's going to be um end of september before we're going to return to a conversation about when we might get together in person but as rachel says you know two weeks in coba time who knows what's going to happen we will touch on this next week and i guess i'll finally say for all of us and for the benefit of the

[179:00] community our lodestar here really is boulder county public health i know that they're looking at this closely they'll be with us in two weeks and we can talk to them about um you know what our thoughts are on their actions but i expect between now and two weeks from now we may hear from boulder county public health with some new guidance one way or the other so we'll be paying attention to that thank you all for weighing in on this i'm disappointed that we can't be together in person but it is clearly uh in the best interest of public safety that we're not so thanks very much for all that nuria did that cover everything it did indeed and will keep you apprised of any new developments as they happened in this very strange covid time that we keep very good alicia i believe we have one more item correct that is correct sir our last item is 7b the review of proposed schedule for cu self annexation items

[180:01] thank you alicia and i'll just lay out um what cc has suggested um one thing i'll state right off the bat is that all decisions about the schedule on cu south will be adopted by all of council so cac is bringing suggestions um we we took action on the first suggestion tonight by scheduling a special meeting for next week at that special meeting next week we'll consider two items one will be the first reading of an annexation ordinance relative to cu south and the other item is a resolution which is required by state law which we establish a public hearing date on that annexation and so what i expect we will see next week is a resolution which establishes september 14th as the meeting date for second reading of the annexation ordinance provided it passes on first reading and then we'll see first reading of the annexation ordinance itself

[181:02] if those both pass then we will have september 14th for the second reading public hearing at which we'll have the staff presentation the applicant presentation council questions and the public hearing and the expectation for that special meeting on september 14th is it will take a while and i think we anticipate continuing that meeting to the following week september 21st which is a regular city council meeting where we can have deliberations and any decision that council might choose to make that is kind of the extent that's been planned out so far uh if we do end up needing to go to third reading um a third reading would be able to be scheduled for october 5th and that is kind of the schedule as it

[182:00] is so far we have attempted to take into account um nearby's schedule um so that she will not be here i believe on september 14th but is committed to watching the tape of that um public hearing and presentations and counsel questions and then on september 21st i believe we will have a full counsel um to be able to hear the to be able to have a full counsel for deliberations discussion and any decision so i just wanted to lay that out for everyone i know it's a little complicated um but there are some state rules as well as our own council procedures so i guess i'd turn it up to council any questions feedback thoughts concerns okay seeing none oh mary sorry mary yes sam thank you for that um i'm wondering how the agreement works into the resolution and the

[183:00] ordinance and there will be a copy of the agreement with the first reading and i would then turn to sandra and any anyone else in the city attorney's office to go further than that um i know there will be a version with first reading and that's about all i'm sure of right now sandra yeah mary uh thanks for the question and um if there are any folks jacob or anybody else that wants to chime in please feel free to do so um my understanding is that the agreement will be submitted with the resolution and ordinance um on first reading on um if if council decides that well we have set a special meeting for august 10th so that would be the date that the agreement would be attached mary does that get to your your question well no i guess what i'm i guess

[184:00] what i'm wondering is um the the resolution is is setting the the date for the hearing and that's per state law the ordinance has to go through first reading second reading third reading the agreement is another kind of animal so the agreement is something that is essentially a document that is i'll call it a living document for lack of a better word until some point in time so um how many versions of that agreement do we anticipate um will happen up until the time um of the um second reading hearing um and possibly third reading so will the agreement be evolving

[185:01] at that point in time are there certain places where we expect to release different versions um at what point does it stop evolving so the there are changes that are going to be made along the way and they can be made and updated at different points and up until it's the ordinance is actually adopted and phil and jacob feel free to jump in if i get anything wrong there no that that's correct there are there will be some changes between first and second reading um we are able to hopefully uh as council members may likely know the planning board held a public hearing and then deliberation last thursday and provided a number of recommendations that were we are working on um through the process and so there will be an agreement for first reading and then at this point we don't

[186:01] have scheduled an interim release prior to the second reading of and so when council gets the packet with the ordinance for second reading with the agreement it'll be released then towards the end of september or the end of august okay great so what that says to me is that um if folks have feedback um either council community or um you know the the negotiators on either side see you or the city or the community if anybody has changes they have up until the deadline of the release of the packet for second reading yes ma'am and i also would encourage that we do have a questionnaire on behardbalder.org for those listening as well that will be active through august 13th

[187:02] and phil could you also mention the two public outreach dates that we have absolutely we have two listening sessions scheduled for august um one is um on monday august 9 from 2 30 to 4 30. uh and the second one is thursday august 26th from 4 30 to 6 30. those are two hour sessions it'll start with a half hour briefing q a by staff followed by an hour and a half at a minimum of um just listening to community members providing their feedback okay and mark just a quick question um is it your intention well to forward to us the recommendations of the planning board i know they had quite a number of recommendations yes just for comparative purposes

[188:01] mark i'll just interpret that as a request to staff that um those that spreadsheet with those recommendations be sent out on hotline if that's possible once you've got them collected because all council members will get it and then it will go out to the public as well no problem sam we'll be happy to do that that's excellent thank you and mary i think kind of circling back around to your question we've got those two listening sessions in the be heard boulder um uh portal is also taking feedback on this so you know if we are having the hearing september 14th sometime the first week in september the packet will get locked down so i think you know there's the ability to take feedback and incorporate it um heard that the team's working on it up until kind of the first week in september great thank you um thank you for that

[189:01] all right any other points on the schedule for see yourself great um as i said and i'll remind us again council will be voting on each of these things on august 10th we'll be voting when we vote on the resolution that's going to establish that date suggested to be september 14th so everything about this process will be ratified by the full council none of this schedule will be set by cac only suggestions brought forward to default council so with that i believe we're at the end of our agenda so we're in the debrief section any more feedback or input from council or staff awesome see none i will gavel this meeting close oh sorry aaron you just just to note that uh national night out was uh it was a great event wonderful to see community members in person and see the members of our phenomenal police and fire department

[190:02] departments as well as some open space rangers and others so thanks to everyone who organized that thank you aaron for that much appreciated everybody who worked on that um aaron before you and me by got here we did have some chit chat about that as well so we all agree with you i think um and with that uh we'll gavel the meeting closed at 1009. see you all soon bye-bye [Music]

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