March 16, 2021 — City Council Regular Meeting

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[1:24] even though it's winter it's great it's almost clean [Music] more days good evening council we are now on air and ready to go [Music] very good well welcome everyone to the tuesday march 16th regular meeting of the boulder city council i'm going to start tonight with a few announcements um first covet 19 exposure notifications um exposure notifications are available from your cell phone if you run into somebody who

[2:01] has the app and who knows that they've been exposed to covet you will be alerted as well the website to be able to add your phone to tracking covet exposure notifications is www.addyourphone.com and local information on getting vaccinations for covet 19. um you can sign up for notifications when you are eligible at boco.org that's boco.org covid vaccine notify sign up and then boards and commissions we have concluded interviews for all boards and commissions and will be appointing new members this evening there is still time to apply to those boards and commissions that did not receive enough applications during the recruitment period we will continue to accept applications through 5 pm on march 18 2021 for the following boulder junction access district parking

[3:01] and the same for travel demand management the beverage licensing authority and the colorado chautauqua association if you are interested in applying one of these applying for one of these please visit our boards and commissions webpage at https colon slash boulder colorado.gov slash boards dash commissions and that is the end of our announcements so i will turn to you alicia and see if you could please call the roll of course siren good evening everyone council member brockett president friend here joseph president nagel here sweat nick here wallach present weaver here yates here and young mayor we have a quorum thank you alicia and the first item

[4:01] tonight is to amend the agenda i have a handful of items that we need to change so first is to add item 1b which is a declaration honoring women's history month and then move current item 1b to be item 1d about um the march 6 police disturbance the public disturbance rather and then we're going to add item 1c which is a downtown crime update at item 3j which is to accept the council recruitment subcommittee recommendation to appoint the city manager and then change the title of item 6a downtown crime update to downtown crime discussion and move that to 8 a and then add item 8b impact of march 6 um public disturbance discussion so could i have a motion so moved as you suggested i can't yep seconded

[5:00] very good any objections at all great seeing none the motion passes unanimously to amend the agenda with that we will move on to our first item which is a boulder art suite declaration presented by council member yates thanks sam well this year boulder arts week will be march 26 to april 3 and things will be a little different than they were back in 2019 and we'll hear about that in a few minutes first let me read the declaration older arts week is going into its eighth year and the city's only large-scale inclusive celebration of our community's artists in robust arts and cultural offerings due to the coba 19 pandemic boulder arts week 2021 will take place online and in a coveted 19 safe spaces boulder is one of the most vibrant art communities in the united states ranking in the top two percent in the concentration of artists and art and cultural organizations and businesses the arts and cultural sector contributes to boulder's economic vitality by

[6:01] stimulating creativity and innovation by creating jobs attracting new businesses and creating an environment that attracts skilled and educated workers it also helps to generate spending by tourists and residents at local restaurants bars retailers and hotels arts and culture are also an economic engine in their own right according to the national endowment for the arts the sector contributes 15.5 billion dollars to our state or about 4.5 of colorado's economy socially and economically the arts and cultural sector is a significant risk from the cobia 19 crisis losses have been staggering due to restrictions venue closures and widespread event cancellations statewide colorado creative industries estimates a total of almost 823 million dollars in revenues in the theater dance music and visual arts and nearly a 50 job loss was experienced between april and july 2020 among the arts community this represents

[7:00] retraction equivalent to a decade of growth in the arts in colorado but many artists and arts organizations have adapted and are serving our community in innovative ways using online platforms and creative uses of outdoor venues but the future of the arts and cultural landscape and all who work in the sector still remains uncertain the pandemic and recent racial and social justice events have altered our community in unprecedented ways arts and culture will be critical to boulder's recovery and they will play an essential role in individual and collective healing decades of research showed that the arts build emotional health cultural literacy social cohesion and creative expression boulder arts week will enhance the visibility of the arts within the local community it will be an opportunity for the community to show the arts much needed appreciation the communal nature of arts participation is a strength that residents are hungry to engage in it will be vital to boulder as we come together after this prolonged social distancing loss and polarization

[8:02] the arts foster beauty originality and vitality to the benefit of connecting all members of the boulder community and so therefore the city council of the city of boulder colorado declares march 26 to april 3 2021 as boulder arts week and with that i believe that we have cindy cipooka um here to receive this decoration and share with us a few words about how we will be celebrating boulder arts week this year um virtually and cindy is the um uh president of the board of directors of the boulder county arts alliance and the cindy a panelist right now yeah hey cindy hi um thanks so much for this declaration which um kind of highlights the importance of arts in our community and also thank you so much for the opportunity to speak and represent the boulder county arts alliance uh which helps with boulder arts week at the risk of getting a little philosophical i wanted to start by pointing out that

[9:00] the act of creating art is one of the most human things a person can do the arts have an amazing tendency to bring communities together to communicate celebrate commemorate demonstrate and so much more art for art's sake is important to our humanity but like councilman yates mentioned art is also a hugely important driver of economic development and may be even more relevant these days for economic recovery when the arts bring us together they also create opportunities for local economies around them to flourish so as we think about how awesome boulder arts week is and i invite you to take a look at the website boulderartsweek.com where you can find all kinds of listings of um different um online and cove covered safe events and exhibits that are available in our little city um i i also want us to think about all the amazing concentration of creatives in our community like was also mentioned and i'd like you to think about what that means for boulder and how it how it helps us define our city i invite everyone not only to enjoy the art that

[10:00] surrounds them but also to support it financially with that thanks again and i hope you all enjoy boulder arts week great well thank you cindy and thank you bob i'm very happy to have that declaration and we have one more tonight we have a declaration about women's history month presented by councilmember nagel nearby thank you for being with us women's history month march 16 2021 as in today each year women's history month offers an important opportunity for us to shine a light on the extraordinary legacy of stabilizing women girls and girls who have built faked and improved upon our community women have been leaders not only in securing their own rights of suffrage and equal opportunity but also leaders in the abolitionist movement the emancipation movement the industrial labor movement the civil rights movement the movement of for racial equality and countless other peace movements that have led to a

[11:01] more fair and just society for all yet despite women's immeasurable contributions in the fight to advance civil rights and other civil liberties early feminist movements were not inclusive of all women these initial calls for social justice focused on the experience of women who were cisgender heterosexual and white today we acknowledge the equality and significance of all women including transgender women queer women women with disabilities women of color and unhoused women in our pursuit of social justice for all women of every race class and ethnic backgrounds have made historic contributions to the growth and strength of bolder and countless recorded and unrecorded ways however in spite of these contributions the role of women in history has been consistently overlooked and undervalued in the literature teaching and study of history as we continue to face the covid19 pandemic women continue to lead from vaccine researchers to public health

[12:01] officials to the countless heroines in the front lines women are working around the clock to defeat this virus women and particularly women of color also make up the majority of essential workers including educators and child care providers grocery store workers farm workers and others who are keeping our families our communities and our country afloat we the city council of the city of boulder colorado declare march as women's history month and invite the community to join us in the celebration of all women and the progress we have made as a society as well as re reflect on the work still ahead to reach full gender equality thank you everybody do we have a community member here or is the declaration it i did not see anything on my email but maybe alicia or taylor knows something we we didn't invite any community member here to join this was brought forward by council very good thank you taylor and thank you

[13:01] miraby for putting that out um our next two items are items which are an update for the community and for council on some recent events which we've had occur there's a lot of public interest in these two items and we expect people will be testifying on each of them at open comment with that in mind we will turn to our staff for an update on crime downtown particularly precipitated by one event which required a police swat response and then a second which is the march 6 public disturbance on the hill for each of these my suggestion is and cac set it up this way we will hear from chris and staff about each of these council can ask questions but when it comes to taking action we'd like to hear from the public first that open comment so as would be normal both of these council will address under

[14:00] matters at the end of the meeting as far as instructions to staff going forward we do have a very full agenda tonight we have a city manager and city attorney issues to deal with as well as some important call-ups and some public hearings so if we could please let's make the first part of the meeting updates on those two topics and we will talk about our responses counsel at the end of the meeting under matters so with that chris i'll turn it over to you great thank you sam good evening council uh we we have this presentation that'll kind of combine both of these items together um chief maris harold is going to uh begin with the downtown crime update uh and then after that uh um yvette bowden will also include some of the work that she's been doing with downtown uh and then we'll go into the march sixth uh disturbance on the hill so with that i will turn it over to chief harold

[15:01] thank you chris good evening uh council mayor good evening um we're going to look at downtown crime update and we'll also review the disturbance response next slide please yeah so tonight we're going to be looking at crime in this very small geographic neighborhood also known as the 3m neighborhood for our computer gated dispatch system but this is a very small footprint of all of the boulders land mass in fact it is only 0.17 square miles and it takes up 0.61 of boulder's footprint next slide please so uh since january of 2018 to current um this little small footprint in boulder has uh we've had 53 5307 incident reports in total

[16:00] of those 5307 3927 involved a known crime these crimes included over 700 theft offenses 85 burglary offenses 374 saw defenses and 26 robberies what i really want to focus on tonight and just to let everybody know an incident report is actually a report a police makes but it doesn't necessarily include a criminal offense so i just want to be clear on that um since we've had an uptick in the downtown area on certain crimes uh the boulder police department implemented what is uh known commonly as hotspot policing strategy and since we have very severe jail restrictions we thought that this strategy would work very well it's evidence-based and basically if a police officer is dispatched into a small area that has seen an uptick in crime and they respond to the middle section of that street segment between two

[17:00] intersections and they're very highly visible with lights they get out they do some type of foot patrol for 12 to 15 minutes this dispatch deployment strategy really works well on violent crime and also burglaries which we've seen quite an increase in the downtown area so we implemented this hotspot policing directed patrol strategy on february 9th of 2021 and i'll talk a little bit about uh what we're seeing at this time i want you to know that this is evidence-based it was originally done by dr coper and it's called the copper curve study it occurred in minneapolis and has been replicated all over the country next slide please so this again is the downtown incident representation and all i want you to take away from this slide is that a very small proportion of the city's land mass accounts for a disproportion of the city's incidents uh police innocence that we're called to

[18:02] so you can see that uh of the 92 percent of land mass that this downtown area accounts for 7.8 7.7 respectively from 20 to 20 21. i also want you to know that the pandemic um what we're seeing here is looks like a decrease is really because a lot of the downtown businesses were closed for a couple months so that's why we're seeing the decrease in those numbers next slide please again the same replication here except this is actually reported crime where the police officer responds to the area and actually takes a a crime report of some type again same concept large disproportionate amount of crime occurring in a small geographic area next slide but this is what the business community in the downtown area this is why there's concern because when you look at all of the offenses reported to the police in

[19:00] this very small area some things really jump out at you assaults are most certainly increasing property destruction has been significantly increasing but burglaries and robberies are probably the most concerning out of all of these types of offenses that police respond to i think the most concerning is when you look at the burglary increases we are seeing an 89 increase from 2019 to 2020 but if you look over we've already experienced 17 burglaries in the downtown corridor almost i mean one less than what we experience in all of 2019. so this is very concerning and we really need to get on top of this the other thing that's concerning is robberies we're seeing a large increase 160 percent increase and again if you slide over to the right hand side of the slide you can see that we've already experienced four robberies in this very small corridor of the downtown area

[20:02] next slide so the police department historically has done directed patrols but they really haven't been focused and they haven't been part of a larger strategy but as you can see the uh in 2020 the police did a fair number of directed patrols but what's interesting is is that when we focus in on these patrols starting at the end of november into december we really start to see um you'll start to see the incidents go down but i want you to know that from january 1st to today's date the police department has conducted over 30 330 directed patrols into this very small location in 250 since february 9th of 2020 and you start to see some of the crime trends go down so if you look at the downtown incident reports on the next slide

[21:02] the next slide please sorry thanks so when you look at the downtown incident reports um you can start to see these incidents start to slowly fall back down so when we started the direct trolls on february 9th and i'm talking about very targeted directed patrol strategy you start to see the incidents fall and so the concerning part though is when you look at the burglaries from january to march 13th you can see the concerning parts of the business community in 2020 we had six reported burglaries in 2021 you see 17 in this time frame from january 1st to march 13th of 2021 so this is very concerning and what it tells me um from a person that's done a lot of these directed patrol strategies um is that we haven't found the right dosage or the right focus and unfortunately i think what we're seeing is that we're seeing displacement of the burglaries from east to west in this small geographic area so this tells me

[22:01] that we need to reposition the police officers um differently than we have and so this is all becomes in my mind a part about dosage and proper focus into these areas next slide i think if you go one more please so robberies uh you can start to see oops one nope sorry if you could go back a couple to the robbery slide one more so if you look at the robberies same time frame january 1st to march 13th comparing apples to apples two robberies compared to four but obviously these are very concerning for the business district and it's something that we really need to

[23:01] get a hold of and so if we go to the next slide so chief we're seeing an enforcement action slide just so you know thanks it got stalled down my computer i'm sorry but this slide just points out that the uh our investigative team and our patrol officers are really making an impact with the rest but unfortunately what we're seeing due to jail restrictions is that people aren't being held on a lot of these crimes that we're making arrests for but you can see that overwhelmingly the amount of work that's being done in this small area uh we've had you know just uh really solid arrests significant arrests it's not like the police are not visible and doing enforcement action and i would

[24:00] offer that of the burglaries that we've had we've made really solid arrests on those burglaries but unfortunately people are being released on the burglaries and some of the other felonies as well but i want the community to know that we have made significant arrests and we continue to be highly visible and we're really doing very good enforcement action in this small area so i won't read this completely but of all of the serious crimes we are making significant arrests in these areas while we're on the topic of enforcement i want the council in the community to know that i think that we've made significant inroads to the jail restrictions so after repeated meetings with sheriff pele the district attorney and some of the other chiefs that are experiencing upticks in crimes the sheriff has agreed to reactivate some of the jail space for boulder's repeat offenders and so we're working on a list of serious repeat

[25:00] offenders in the boulder area that are causing chronic problems and um so i'm really i'm very hopeful about that in addition uh sheriff kelly has indicated to me that the vaccination has been approved for his inmates which will open jail space which is really good for the community of boulder and that the sheriff will be taking motor vehicle theft arrests and burglary offenses and processing them through the jail which is very good and i'm very appreciative of sheriff polly's cooperation in this so i am very help hopeful moving forward that as space reactivates in the downtown corridor we get the dosage right on the direct-to-patrol strategy that we'll start to see decreases um in some of the upticks in crime and chief if that's the end of your slides on downtown crime would you be okay with taking questions now or would you rather wait to the end till you're done with the hill update i would love to take questions now and then i can give a quick update on the

[26:00] hill presentation um i'm sorry if my internet's going in and out okay great i'll let you know i'm so counsel do we have any questions nearby i see your hand up and then mary sorry i can't my my hand raised function is not visible today um thank you chief i really appreciate all this can i this is a maybe a stupid question um and i don't know that it really matters but the difference between a robbery and a burglary i understand but is there one that is worse than the other and does that matter in this topic of what we're dealing with no i think that's a really good question and so a burglary is when an offender um trespasses into uh someone's home a residence or a business with the intention to commit some other type of crime usually theft and there's differing levels of burglaries if someone is home in their residence it makes it a very serious first degree

[27:00] burglary when someone is robbed that means that somebody has either tried to use force to take something from a person sometimes by guns sometimes by strong arm just by overpowering i've talked to victims on both crimes and i think they're overwhelmingly full of trauma for victims on both crimes um so i guess it just depends on who you are but i think both incidents are terribly traumatic for people even if people aren't home in their residence to be violated um causes so much trauma sure no i totally understand um is there one that holds with the law a heavier weight or i i'm just trying to understand in terms of all the numbers you've given us are there different levels of severity than some and i just didn't know if there was any i get that the trauma will be the same and very understandable there i just didn't know if the law maybe held one um

[28:00] yes absolutely um if a weapon is involved and serious physical harm occurs then those are the highest of the high and usually are very serious felonies um and so if you go into someone's home and you have a weapon and you cause serious physical harm that's a very high offense the top of the line same with the robbery if you use a weapon to take something from somebody and cause serious physical harm those would be the highest felonies that you can have excellent thank you very much thank you nearby um mary juni bob rachel and mark mary thank you sam thanks chief for the presentation and the amazing data that you are keeping um the what what kinds of human resource adjustments have you had to deploy in order to conduct this directed patrol strategy thanks mary um so the directed

[29:00] patrol strategy really relies on the computer-aided dispatch system finding time uh on the police officer's schedule and dispatching that officer to the scene where they can spend 12 to 15 uninterrupted minutes sitting in the patrol cars i've asked the police officers to get out of the patrol cars go on foot and to be as visible as possible some of the recent research out of las vegas shows that if a police officer gets out and walks and talks to people it has a really uh significant impact on property crime so that's what we've asked the officers to do but obviously you can see that if we're doing this at different street segments on the hour every hour we're trying to do it for at least 14 hours at a time that it's very resource intense for the police department and usually you do these strategies for three months until you get the required reductions that you're looking for and then you transition back into normal patrol operations

[30:00] so this this has required an increase in um like officer overtime or the number of officers or or just it's it's all handled by the computer-aided dispatch system yeah mary i'm sorry this is all from our patrol uh function that we have right now so it's a different um arrangement of patrol rather than an increase in patrol or an increase in personnel exactly what this does is take the officer's discretionary time that they usually would spend doing other other uh strategies and it actually puts them in the places that we require them to be to try to impact these type of crimes thanks very much maris thanks mary thank you jenny thank you i just um thank you for this presentation maris i have a question going back to what mary asked and

[31:01] i just felt that for me i wanted to know do you have the necessary staff to undertake the work that you're doing or do you foresee that you will eventually need more staff officers basically thanks juni i appreciate that question so i want to be really clear from thanksgiving to the holiday season on that slide that i presented that big increase in directed patrols a lot of that was due to overtime that was given by the downtown business community for their holiday season so some of that was overtime patrol when we started this directed focus that was all patrol officers time and their regular course of duties i am finishing up on a very robust workload analysis right now that will give me a much better idea of our staffing and i hope to present that on april 27th you need to to give a really really data-driven approach to where our staffing is right

[32:00] now and where it should be based on workload and so i'm actually right now having a doctor review the math involved in the workload analysis and so that should be done in a couple weeks and i'll be glad to share that with everybody and i really wanted that to be part of our master plan moving forward um but i want everybody to know also and i think the community should should know that we've had a tremendous loss of police officers this year more than double what we have seen in any other given year going back five years so this is a concerning trend and i want the community to be aware of that that we are down officers right now and um it's just a very hard time for policing in general and so we have lost more than double what we're we're accustomed to losing in any given year may i may i call it real quickly um did you say that that increase in patrol from thanksgiving um through december was paid for by um caged

[33:01] not not all of it but there was overtime hours for visibility do you okay um i'll hold i'll hold that on onto that idea for later thank you sure do you need more questions i do have one last question and i was looking at the slides and my question is more of i saw the number of burglaries and i'm wondering are they do you have the data on residential versus businesses and are the businesses those that are because i've walked them all and i've seen some businesses have been closed i know that's more than one question at a time and i'm sorry i can repeat that again are they for businesses that are close due to covert or other reasons or is it businesses that are fully operational

[34:00] great questions the majority of these burglaries are commercial burglaries or businesses and then i would say a few of them are businesses that were closed i can tell you the majority of these burglaries are like smash and grab type burglaries i wouldn't call these sophisticated like serial offending burglaries that require some level of uh you know skill to to break into these are more smash and grabs they grab what they can really quickly and and take off running um so not very sophisticated burglaries i guess if that's helpful junie okay thank you jimmy bob uh my brilliant colleagues mary and juni have largely asked my questions chief i was just going to ask you if you had sufficient financial and human resources available to you it sounds like you'll be coming back to council next month and that so i'll wait that report any

[35:01] request you have thank you thank you rachel thanks maris um so my question you know the criminal justice system at its best is rehabilitative and focused on restorative justice and we're obviously talking about the the very front end of the system right the policing and you know usually jail is not a place to incapacitate people unless they're um a a serious uh threat to the community so my question is because i think what i heard you say um is that you've got repeat offenders who are getting arrested being released committing crimes getting arrested what's up with the prosecution element like are people not getting to the conclusion of their cases such that we would be in the you know the third element of this you know through the courts and into um corrections and ideally rehabilitation um and restorative justice so

[36:01] is that still admired or how much is that impacting what you're seeing yeah thanks rachel i i think that uh for a long time the trial system has been completely closed down d.a dougherty has just started his trials back up and so i'm hoping that that gives some re reprieve for the repeat offending and obviously i think rachel we probably agree on the most of the criminal justice reform unfortunately what we're talking about is a small number of offenders just ravaging boulder right and so those are the repeat offenders that you know unfortunately we have to do better down downstream a little bit or upstream right there has to be services upstream or better services downstream but you know i think that we can clearly identify through data the small number of offenders that are just wreaking havoc especially in the downtown corridor and not having trials i think rachel is

[37:00] a good point there's no completion of the criminal justice system whatsoever and most of that's due to the pandemic and i do think um it will get better as dear d.a dougherty starts opening up his court system and judge cook starts opening up as well okay so i just didn't know if things were still kind of shut down so i agree i think it will help and i was just wondering if that's part of what we were seeing so thanks for clearing that up sure thank you mark chief thank you for the presentation as always um and also thank you for the news about sheriff pele i think the downtown business community may take a little bit of heart that things are going to get better i had one question i think it goes back to your slide six it looked like between 2018 and 2020 and i may have been reading this wrong that um drug offenses dropped by 70 percent is that is that possible

[38:02] uh the reported incidents yeah of drug defenses any particular explanation for that and if so how do we keep it going no i i don't i i don't and deputy chief weinheimer is here who has been here historically maybe if he could jump on for that he'd probably give you a better historical answer than i would deputy chief weinheimer are you with us i am um i'm not sure mark i have a complete answer to that um without looking at that slide it was you said it was between 2018 and 2020 right yeah i think it was slide six okay so one one change that happened in march of 2020 a year ago was that the possession of most narcotics the possession of less than four grams became a misdemeanor so that's one one reason it dropped [Music] and i think in in general along with uh

[39:02] legalization of marijuana we saw that a lot of the smaller interdiction efforts for drugs dropped off dramatically across the country in boulder was no exception okay all right thank you i just it just struck me as uh as odd um so i wanted to ask thank you okay uh adam thanks sam and uh thanks chief harold um i asked a question of chris mescheck when we're setting up this meeting about um since downtown has been sort of deactivated as a space with people visiting it that's sort of in my mind opened up the possibility for more negative activity i was wondering if there was any merit to that and if we should expect as people start going downtown again that the problems might improve to some degree since there's just going to be more positive activation of the space

[40:00] yeah i absolutely agree that activation is key and a lot of this crime i would say the majority of the crime is crimes of opportunity and so when you have less people um you're going to have a bet more crime and i think that's consistent in all the research and crime is all about opportunity and so when you have more people more eyes and ears you tend to see crime go down um so i am hopeful with everything that we're doing that we're going to start to see uh reductions again in crime and keep in mind though this is going to be a goofy year that criminologists will be studying this pandemic year for years to come because it really we're really looking at an experiment in real time about crime and so people are jumping to conclusions about this but i would say we're really not going to know and understand this fully for another year until we get another full year's worth of data to compare to but i would say yes you're absolutely right adam activating space is always a good thing thank you chief harold

[41:01] great and mark i see your hand up is that leftover okay great chief thank you so much for all of that um if you would like to go into the second half of your presentation that'd be great yeah is everybody hearing me okay because my like my internet keeps going in now we're hearing you're great yep no problem and video is good too okay if i could have the next slide yeah it's the university hill disturbance cover slide right now great if you could go one more please now we've got your org slide and timing it's crowd management and control response slide thank you so i'm going to spend the whole time on on this one slide if you don't mind mayor um so and i this is really important for the

[42:00] community for transparency and i i want everybody to understand some principles with crowd management and crowd response um so any time that we're talking about crowd management or crowd control the police really should be focused on four principles that is considered best practice across the country and these dimensions should be reasonable police response should be reasonable it's necessary to prevent harm is it balance with public safety with protecting freedoms so that's the first principle the second the police response should be disarming limits the use of force coercion or intrusive uh oh it looks like we did lose the chief finally and i will assume that she is rebooting um oh there you are you're back

[43:00] you're on mute but you're back you're still on mute chief sorry there we go there you are okay are we good we are good keep going okay so uh the police response should be disarming um and that limits the use of force coercion and intrusiveness whenever possible so in other words we should de-escalate whenever is possible the police response should be focused and that avoids indiscriminate use of force against an entire crowd so we have to be highly focused in our use of force options and then finally the police response should be consistent and that deters future harm by establishing rules and setting expectations the predictability increases public trust and so those four principles are very important and obviously we've talked a lot about um the use of force model and how we change from the typical

[44:00] use of horse model to the critical decision making model which really puts the sanctity of human life in the decision uh to use force has to consider the heat the sanctity of human life so with that and that understanding let's talk about a general timeline and obviously this is still under investigation and probably will be for a couple weeks so these will be general timeline descriptions between the hours of one o'clock and three o'clock the boulder police department started receiving public health order violation calls for service on the hill we also started receive calls for service approximately three that there were small peripheral parties going on not associated at the time with 10 in college 10th and college street at this time we sent a code enforcement response team the crowds were cooperative and agreed to mask in uh public health disorder public health violations they agreed to cooperate with our code and code enforcement response team

[45:01] between the hours of 3 and 5 pm we started to receive calls for service at 10th in college with crowd numbers over a hundred there was disorder at this time in property crime we sent a deployment team of one sergeant and four officers at this time the students were jumping on vehicles that were passing this general area deployment team was dispatched we made one arrest we removed that person from the area and made that arrest between the times of 5 pm and 8 pm we started receiving more calls for service of damage and the crowd becoming larger we sent our university hill impact team in with undercover units to begin dialoguing with the large crowd at that time the command post was established and swot was requested

[46:04] we began the dialogue this was a non-cooperative crowd at this point so swat began uh stationing uh very close to 10th and college street between the hours of 8 pm and 9 pm we had severe property damage and violence toward officers we made an all-county state response initiative and we received state and other county resources i also talked to chief jokers who at the time agreed to do a cu rave announcement which impacted 50 000 students and faculty and staff it was when that announcement went out we knew that we had to make disbursement uh uh recommendations to the crowd to keep consistent with senate bill 217 and so we sent our swat equipment in to make those disbursement orders at that time minimal force was used and not toward the general crowd

[47:01] but towards the ground and at that time the crowd started to disperse before it was entered into the business community three officers received minor injuries nobody in the crowd was harmed due to this force and so if you ask me after that long afternoon i think that the police responded professionally adequately and effectively to this disorderly crowd and riot conditions and i don't have anything further unless you would like to ask questions chief i think that's a great summary i really appreciate it um and i will turn the council members and see do any council members have questions for the chief i am seeing no oh there we go rachel and then mark so i'll just ask one um obviously we would and um thanks again for that presentation maris and i'm i'm really grateful that the uh

[48:02] police were able to handle this situation without escalating violence so i i thank you all for that response and um well done um on that and and i think that um what i would hope for if this you know situation starts to crop up again is you know when we're at like that three o'clock it's a hundred people something interrupts between that and it turns into 800 and and the riot gear so is there like a root cause analysis or is that just um being undertaken or is this like just a one in a million situation or are there ways that we can have an interrupt and like plan for that in the future rachel i'm so glad you asked that because this is really troubling to me so we haven't had these types of situations in boulder for years and so we have intelligence mechanisms we're monitoring social media um and we really didn't have any pre-intelligence this was going to

[49:00] happen obviously we had a really robust deployment strategy for st patrick's day but you know with the um the students all on social media what i think happens is that they can send out something so quick and get hundreds of people to respond in you know literally a half hour or 45 minutes and it really overtakes uh the city response so when this started we had 10 people working in boulder and so to ramp up to get the numbers that we need to safely contain and disperse this crowd really takes a long time and so really this comes down to understanding the intelligence beforehand and unfortunately there was no intelligence and i think the weather i've heard the students that have been arrested say they were protesting not having a spring break i've had other persons that have been arrested say that it was because of the mass coordinates that it was too strict that the police were being too strict about the mass

[50:01] coordinates which you know we've taken a really you know first warning and then enforce so you know it to me it was a combination of things that social media can just draw so many people in so quickly i can tell you that we have a very robust response for st patrick's day and the rest of the week and the weekend but i think any given city under these same circumstances would have the same issues trying to get as many people as possible to be able to contain and control this crowd and i have to be honest with you we've received some national attention on how we handled this incident and so i'm really proud of the response um that you know we didn't have police officers and students or other pers persons severely injured so i'm going to take it as a win and i think we just have to do due diligence on intelligence on these um on these incidents um thank you and i had one follow-up question when you mentioned um there

[51:01] were only 10 people working um how how hard is it to get people to come in on short notice my understanding is that a lot of our workforce doesn't live in the city of boulder i assume that's true of the police department as well like is it is part of this initiative housing maybe or just getting people here or how hard is it if you've got 10 people on to get to however many you need um once the once the command post is established recalls go out and so the swat build-up probably takes about an hour and a half to get that many people i think that we were really fortunate that the state responded with due force and so did louisville in the county and um and obviously cu responded right they were a great partner in all of this um and it does take a a while to recall officers that live you know some of these officers live over an hour away um but that's that's that's policing

[52:02] everywhere in the country they're you know police rarely live in the city they police um and so it does take a while to build up and that's why you have uh mousse with other cities and so we did get a robust response but it takes a while to ramp up thank you that's all my questions thanks rachel thank you um mark adam and aaron mark gee thank you for that uh uh analysis and thank you for the response of the police force for st patrick's day how would we what do we have as a circuit breaker if we end up with the first hundred people [Music] gathering uh together for parties and keeping it from from going to 800. what's the mechanism for doing that well deputy chief weinheimer and his team have put a really robust deployment strategy including

[53:00] uh county resources as well so this is a planned event for the net for this is historically we've seen large crowds so the difference between st patrick's day is we have planning and we have a robust uh you know presence already so we'll have we'll have at any given time 50 officers on the hill and so it'll be much easier to ramp up because everybody's prepared our swat teams will be on standby our regional partners will be on standby cu has a huge presence in the area too and so the big difference is one is planned and one we just didn't have any intelligence on and i have to ask the question um what is a cu rave announcement i'm sorry i'm so used to working in a university setting um that is this um a request it goes out to everybody that signs up for this notification that comes across on your cell phone and

[54:00] so it's a very powerful notification system that the university has and so as this incident was unfolding i asked cu would you please put an announcement out requesting students to please disperse this area or severe consequences would follow and they did that and that's a departure from their normal operating operations on this mark because usually they keep those things to an active shooter you know a serial offender um you know you know a bad sexual assault and so i really do appreciate them putting that notification out because i do think that it impacted the eventual disbursement of the students that was going to be my last question do you think it was at all effectual i do and i think as always in university settings that the university has so much more control over the students than the municipal police have um and i think that the threat of suspensions and expulsions

[55:00] um are much more worrisome to the students and the parents than uh police you know boulder police department's interaction with them thank you so much chief thanks mark thank you all um adam aaron and mary i'm sorry adam your hand went down yeah because i wanted to put it down before you saw it again so um i'm gonna ask my question chief uh i know this is an ongoing investigation but do we know anything about the social circles of the vast majority of people who showed up um i asked this because i think it's pretty hard to get 600 people anywhere in about two hours so you have to have pretty robust social circles in order to do that and not to bury the lead but is this more fraternity sorority involved here that you might be thinking or is there no truth to that um yeah so we're putting a lot of investigative time into understanding

[56:01] where this started and what social media drove this and at this time i do not want to say its fraternities or sororities i just don't have enough intelligence to make that statement what i can tell you though is that this wasn't all cu students there was some other people involved in the crowd and we know that um overwhelmingly it was cu students but we did have a mix of people in the crowd um and so the investigation has started with um people that were being violent first and then property destruction people that were turning over the cars people that were destroying city property and we're kind of going down that list um as we speak but a lot of resources are are being um devoted to understanding exactly what the genesis of this party was gotcha yeah we've seen the arrests so far being a mix of cu and non-cu students so i appreciate that i'm just wondering if we can find mitigation strategies

[57:00] to uh ensure that you know certain social groups if that's what's driving this can be monitored and made sure that we don't run into this again through the same means you know that's such a great point because i've talked to chief jokers what i would really like to do is have a a joint effort between cu police and us to really have someone monitoring and understanding the social media dynamics of these parties and i think that's a good way to at least receive pre-intelligence obviously in large cities like in the city of cincinnati we have real-time crime centers that are monitoring all of this you know 24 7. um in smaller cities obviously we don't have the benefit of that but i think we can get close to it i think with that you know between cu myself you know the feds that we can get close to understanding the dynamics of how these parties originate thanks uh aaron mary and juni aaron

[58:01] yeah well mark asked my question about the st patrick's day response so thanks for that answer chief harold i'll just say i really applaud your department's uh ability to resolve the situation without a serious injury uh to to people involved or officers uh sympathies for the officers who did have the the minor injuries but thanks so much for the um what you accomplished tonight thank you i appreciate that so do the officers so thank you mary and jenny mary thanks sam um marissa you've been talking you were just talking about how you're going down um a severity of um crimes i guess in the investigation and i'm wondering how cu's investigation intersects with the city's investigation and how that whole process is being shared great um yes so i committed when this happened

[59:01] that we would be very transparent about this investigation and cu has donated that's the wrong word has given me um one investigator so they could keep obviously consistency across the investigation but also a communication back to cu and so we're tied in together by they've assigned one investigator to us which is awesome and so our records department everything that we do every arrest every citation is sent daily back to cu their administration their student conduct and so we're working in close partnership on all of this and i have to say to this day uh cu's been a great partner and they have followed through with what what they originally said is that if people are involved in this uh crowd property damage or violence um that they would be held accountable through suspension and expulsion and that's uh today i just got an update that they're continuing in that work so what you're saying then is that some

[60:01] of the folks that have been arrested are that were affiliated with the university are experiencing some sort of um [Music] punishment i guess um already they'll go through their due process uh just like uh in the in the city for but they'll go through their due process uh concerns and then uh it and at the end of the day that they'll either be suspended or expelled uh based on the evidence uh presented thank you and in the future um you said something just a little while ago about how cu has more control over the students and um you know with the threat of expulsion and i'm wondering how that plays into um going forward and how you know how how that can be better utilized in the prevention of future

[61:00] potential um events such as these well i'm hoping this is going to be part of the community dialogue and cu's understanding of the disorder and the quality of life issues that you know the community has to deal with on a daily basis and i do think that you know from the students that the investigators have talked to they're much more worried about the ramifications of being expelled um and then parental enviro involvement than they are uh receiving a citation from the boulder police and so i think this has to be considered moving forward with any strategies is that cu plays a big role here and i think that they do have an impact on student behavior and i think that chief jokers would agree with that and i think that thus far in this investigation that they are staying true to their word that they would have serious consequences if the boulder police department could prove um that they were involved in this riot condition

[62:02] thank you maris thanks mary thank you uh julie i think as i as i'm listening to this conversation i find it unfortunate that cu is not part of the discussion as well because i think they're the missing part of the discussion that we're having and i just wanted to note as well that it's very disappointing um to witness the student's behavior and it makes it very hard for people who are advocate for students in this community to do their job it makes it very very hard um but my question to you it goes back to what mark mentioned about saint patrick's day and probably other holidays i've already graduated you mentioned about something of a wave or some type of notification i didn't get it so i was thinking why didn't i get it and i remember oh you graduated already so you don't get it um but i'm wondering

[63:00] for since we still have covid it's still very present in our community do you know if cu has maybe some type of email blast where they can let the students know that for instance if if you commit this violation here are a list of i don't know a citation you will get just for that and here's how this particular behavior can escalate and also do the students know that the hill is not part of the university i'm just very confused by the behavior when i saw it as well because i understand these are young people who are part of the community as well but nonetheless i just find the behavior just so unbelievable to the point where i wonder what type of education can we do so that we ensure these type of i get riots or rallies however you want to call them that they do not happen because these are serious violations and as you just mentioned these young people

[64:01] will have citations on their records or they will be arrested so i'm wondering what type of education is cu doing to teach these young people that hey if you throw a party on the hill and you get arrested by the boulder police department it's not just going to go on your record it's going to be something that is also beyond the university it's you know it's violation in the community so it to me i just i'm just wondering what type of education or what type of notification are these young people getting yeah i couldn't agree with you more juni i this is serious and uh you know it it was very selfish uh behavior and and violent um and so i know that cu is putting together a complete uh package of education in fact chief joker just called me before we uh started with this meeting and said if you give me the names of the people uh that may not uh be getting

[65:00] arrested but were a public health violation um that we're gonna have um severe consequences for those students too so i know that cu is really trying to rectify this behavior with the community but i think that we need to continue this dialogue because you know it you know there are certain nights up there that is really unacceptable um between the loud noise and the partying and um just you know public urination and all of those issues really impact quality of life for everybody so i couldn't agree with you more jenny and i think we just have to keep lines of communication open and we have to we have to have cu hold people accountable hold their students accountable when the boulder police department issues citations or makes arrests and you're right unfortunately some of these students are facing serious felonies for right conditions and and that's just not acceptable great well i see no more hands so i'm going to say oh mary

[66:02] sorry i just have to ask this question um i'm wondering um what if any conversations have happened regarding um the tying you know you talked about the due process that has to be carried out by the university in order to impose their sanctions so has there been any conversations about how perhaps a city citation could be tied um to university sanctions without having to using the city's due process as part of their due process um so that they're directly tied together is there any such thing yeah that that's a that's a great point and i think that's where the direction that i would like to see this so in other words if we have probable cause to write a citation to me that should meet the standard of proof required at a university and so we're we're discussing all of those issues and

[67:01] i don't want to speak for cu i know um that they're really making an effort to to do just that so if they see that boulder police department has probable cause for an arrest and we have video evidence to support that um i i have seen that they are taking action or at least willing to to look at that case for the severity and and proceed with suspensions or expulsions can i marry that when we get a municipal citation for violation of public health order uh we prosecute the case and get our consequences we also refer to cu restorative justice and they take their own actions in the cases that we've prosecuted we've seen suspensions of students and i think even a few expulsions so that's part of our normal reasons thanks tom great um okay try again i see no more hands at the moment so i want to say a few words and then we'll move on to

[68:00] open comments so we can hear community input on some of these i want to start by commending you chief and the entire police force for having no substantial harm come to anyone as a result of this i do know there were minor injuries to the first responders and i deeply regret that i wish that had not happened but you said you take it as a win i take it as a win too um there have been riots in boulder before they have not always had such good outcomes either for the police or for the riders so um i just want to say that um i think you and your team did a great job here there are always second guessers you know any first responder is going to get second guessed and that's just part of the cost of doing business in your line of work but i would say from my perspective you guys were measured in your response and i think that measured response resulted in ultimately the crowd being dispersed and no one being harmed so i

[69:00] will say that and thank you um i will also say just as a reminder about how crowds come about these days with social media if you remember flash mobs for a while those are things where people use social media to gather people very quickly into spontaneous events and so we live in a time where it is not always clear exactly what will or won't turn into a much larger event um that is not to say we shouldn't do everything in our power to prevent it but you know it is it is more difficult than ever to anticipate these um these types of events occurring and i will just end by saying there's absolutely no excuse i don't care if it's mask quarters i don't care if you've been cooped up for a year i don't care what it is there's no excuse for attacking a first responder so you know not only the attacks but of course the property damage of course the

[70:00] health order violation i mean the list of violations in this case was extremely long but i will say that people who have tried to come up with an excuse it just doesn't work you might be able to explain some factors which may have led to it but there's nothing to excuse an adult attacking a first responder um over really any reason but in certainly none in the events that we saw on the hill so with that i'll close we will to people watching this we will return to both of these subjects at the end of the meeting and we'll talk about further actions that um council wants the direct staff to take um but we do want to turn to our community and hear from them so i'll close again thank you chief and thank you for the police response chris chris anything else we need to do here before we move on i i think we're good with that we can uh i'm looking at an event uh

[71:01] to confirm whether we wanted to cover the other downtown piece now or if you'd like we can wait until uh um the discussion later tonight but a vet do you have a preference it's not about my preference i do believe i'll be speaking to um some of the issues that some of the community members may want to address and if i i am known to speak pretty fast and go through my slides pretty fast so sam if you will allow me i will uh kind of fly through that very quickly why don't you do that now um since you've got slides and are prepared i appreciate we wanted to get staff input and community input and then move on to our discussion later at the end of the night so if you want to show those now that would be very welcome great taylor can you advance two slides please okay um this is sort of a compliment to maris's fine remarks and the work of our colleagues in bpd and certainly patrols and enforcement

[72:01] action are valued by the community but as adam spoke to earlier it's only one part of what can be done to address not only what we're seeing on the hill but certainly the downtown conversation earlier i'm here very quickly to run through what the city across departments and there are many of us working on this not just cv are doing in terms of presence place and to adam's point program and at the bottom of this slide which will be available on the city's website there's some links to how this is being done in peer communities along the front range next slide so um if we can go back one slide taylor so in terms of presence this has been a large conversation and i want to thank the downtown boulder partnership the chamber our colleagues and certainly the business and residents in the downtown core for continuing to work with us we've had several meetings since these issues were

[73:01] raised maris has already talked about the increased and coordinated presence of bpd and the directed control and council is well aware of the coordination with the hot team there'll be and has been continued utilization of private security supplementing enforcement personnel this somewhat goes to the topic mary raised earlier about contributions of the business community to the ongoing safety in the bid there is an ongoing exploration and will be of urban rangers and an ambassador program pilot as we've discussed with downtown volta partnership we have a meeting scheduled later this week and one in the you know over the spring break to kind of firm up scope some potential costs and the like and we'll be back with you on that on april 27 to give you more detail in addition um i just wanted to point out regarding that reallocation of officers that maris was talking about if when we come back on april 27th council

[74:01] should anticipate that it will also include an option that includes somewhat of the civic area and responsibility for liaisoning with the ambassador program as we continue to explore as well as coordination with hati in downtown and the civic area the pilot will be proposed as 18 months which supplement the work already performed across several departments including the police department community vitality housing and human services parks and rec communications and even climate initiatives and i'll talk more about that in a second we have to continue our work on scope to address safety they'll be greeting and doing business outreach all coordinated in our mind anyway by downtown boulder partnership this will be locally retained and supervised team in terms of the pilot and it is replicable in other districts and based on resources could go across

[75:00] the civic area and potentially also cover portions of the hill district if resources are available next slide the second part of any great urban structure around this work is around the creation of a sense of space and we all love pearl street mall but we know that the infrastructure has been around for a little while and in many respects some of that infrastructure in some of those businesses because they are historic and or because they have been around for a while did not anticipate some of the current uses so i'm very pleased to inform those members of the community that may not be aware and certainly downtown partnership is that we've been working with climate initiatives the city already has a rebate program for window films but there are new products in the industry that not only aid in energy efficiency but also some of the security to address some of those smash and grab experiences those rebates programs are available now and staff has already allocated

[76:00] additional funding to that from climate initiatives and we're thankful for that support it also helps meet energy goals addressed encampments infrequent trash collection graffiti removal and volunteerism is something we've always been partnering on and we'll revisit those and there are other interim improvements staff is currently working on our restroom in the mall has been a challenge for some time and so we'll be doing some operational improvements there with downtown boulder partnership parks and rec and community vitality to work on some of those issues long ago in pearl street mall people did not have a million devices they were walking with they needed public charging stations and so the outlets at the bottom of the light poles are really there for operational reasons and for vendors but we know that the community is in need of charging stations and while i don't want to talk about a particular product line you can see there with the young lady charging that we are exploring a couple of solar-powered

[77:00] mobile charging units that will address that need and stop people from actually damaging the public equipment that then impacts small vendors and our operation hand sanitizing stations were put in at the beginning of covid with much help from a cdoc grant and our friends in transportation in downtown and we'll be relocating this toward the bathroom as well enhanced restroom upkeep could be part of ambassador service and improved signage and wayfinding that helps people not only understand how to get around in downtown and all the great things they can enjoy in a more positive vein but also if we can uh posting and reminding people of what the rules and respect of public property are next slide adam mentioned um the importance of activation and though we are act you know really excited um to in in continue to uh enforce and remind people of the public

[78:01] health guidance we want to make sure that they also know we're introducing uh safe and accessible events and with parks and rec help and arts and culture we're looking forward to a busy summer in and around the mall and the band shell and partici potentially university hill event street we're also continuing in partnership with downtown to promote and connect people to small businesses including the farmer's market the moca and the museum of boulder next slide so um i think that was pretty fast sam i've got a reminder that over the next couple of weeks between tomorrow based on your conversation later this evening and the 27th we're going to continue to update the downtown management commission and utmc to work with the downtown bid to evaluate the scoping and costs and then to come back on april 27th during council's already

[79:00] scheduled update with options and costs encampment response resourcing which was already scheduled and the safe parking issue that was already scheduled this will include enhanced bpd resources that you asked about details on the ambassador pilot and the sustainable encampment response resources and on may 4th i want to remind the community that council will address other the annual homeless update with kurt and health and safety and public spaces next slide so later this evening what we would benefit from knowing is first on maris's point this council of questions concerning the crime report that weren't answered or that we can be available for and i'll be interested in listening for exploration around funding approaches around public space management park rangers ambassador program for the april 27 meeting thank you thank you so much yvette that was very very helpful and very streamlined so awesome um

[80:01] turn quickly to council any council members have a question for a vet all right i'm seeing no hands so we will now turn to open comment thank you yvette and i will ask brenda to please remind us of how open comment is run great thank you so much sam i appreciate it i'm going to share my screen with the meeting rules and let me know if you're seeing that sam are you seeing the meeting rules not yet we've got yours there we go yep just now great so um since we have moved into virtual space we have adopted some rules to keep our meetings secure from those who might disrupt it who are not members of our community um so we do have these rules we ask your cooperation as we follow them

[81:01] um the meeting's been called to conduct the business of the city of boulder any activity that disrupts or delays or otherwise interferes with the meeting is prohibited the time for speaking or asking questions may be limited i believe tonight it's two minutes for open comment no one shall speak except recognized by mayor sam weaver and no one shall speak longer than the time you're allowed everyone who is speaking tonight we need to have both your first and last name associated with your screen presence i do have a couple folks so i only have a first name so if you'd like to send your last name to me in the q a box i can change that for you no one speaking an open comment tonight may use their video only videos permitted for city officials employees and invited speakers and presenters um the person presiding at the meeting mayor sam weber will enforce these rules by asking me to mute anyone who is violating

[82:00] we don't have the chat function enabled tonight if you have any technical difficulties or need to reach out to me as the technical host you may use the question and answer box and the city um only folks like myself doing so clumsily may share screen so thank you sam and i believe we are ready to begin with that awesome thanks very much brenda our first three speakers tonight are neil anderson rob ross and tim hogan neil neil you should be able to speak now okay i am unmuted can you hear me we can that's good thank you again my name is neil anderson i live near the reservoir and there was broad support out here for the original concept presented by parks and rec for a cafe to serve the users of the reservoir the current plan however for a night

[83:01] spot and event center is a huge and very unwelcome change from this much has been said and continues to be said but the lease is the final authority on what's allowed during its five-term uh duration or five-year duration and that includes nighttime operations with music till eleven or twelve private events that are unlimited in type size number and frequency and it gives the operator the right to sub leads to third parties for even more activities make no mistake this will transform the very heart of the reservoir into a major place of business the lease virtually invites the operator to make the reservoir a destination night spot open seven days a week with music and events potentially very large well into the night this is an intensely urban use that will push nature out and transform the character of the entire area and not for the better

[84:01] as boulder itself becomes increasingly more urban with every year why are we urbanizing one of the most important places of respite in the entire parks and open space system if anything our resolve should be to protect these places of relief from the sprawl of urban use that boulder has worked so hard and effectively to avoid for 50 years the monetizing of this place is a watershed moment a real break from that strong boulder tradition and a very bad precedent for the future council you are the stewards of the quality of these places i urge you to call this lease up and create limits that bring it back into harmony with the unique nature of this very special place this especially when there are so many empty spaces in boulder itself that will need to be filled post covert thank you thank you for next we have rob ross tim hogan and lisa

[85:01] nelson rob rob you are unmuted rob you should be able to unmute and we seem to have lost rob that's fine i that's yeah he he did drop off um why don't we go to tim hogan next and we'll come back to rob great tammy you should be able to unmute am i unmuted yep we can hear you okay great um i'm here to um say some things about the south um boulder floodplain

[86:00] and the um the annexation but not so much on that so much as something else um certainly the flood mitigation is primary on what's going on out there and we need to do everything we can to get that taken care of by the neighborhoods um setting annexation aside um my point is that um as i've seen several articles in the paper lately and [Music] i suspect that other people have the same ideas because it's been um shown um but that sorry um that a team of conservation scientists

[87:00] have shown that what's needed to avoid the catastrophic climate change conserve species secure essential inconsistent services is absolutely necessary and if we don't um take care of this on that piece of ground i'm afraid that we're going to be losing things um to the university that um myself and many others would rue for many years so thank you very much sorry for that thank you tim okay let's try rob ross again okay round two can you hear me all right uh my name is rob ross i'm an architect i live in town and wanted to

[88:01] discuss a couple items related to detached accessory dwelling units it has come to my attention that planning staff are concerned that adu applicants are investing heavily in larger patched rather than the principal dwelling unit that this issue was not something that was anticipated by staff during the 2018 update this surprised me as i have been designing homes in boulder for a long time and i was not aware that the staff or council had a say or could prioritize where someone invests money in their property given that city planning is a long-term endeavor i don't see why staff is concerned which structure is invested in first i've requested feedback from staff and i'm currently waiting for their response now let's discuss building height with a quote i received from staff quote it was determined that a clearly incidental detached dwelling unit would be clearly minor to the principal dwelling unit based on metrics like height floor area building coverage and scale as well as

[89:01] the intensive council when that language was first included in the code end quote note the staff has been seeking input from the city's attorney's office to ensure that they are interpreting the term clearly incidental appropriately that said many of the metrics make sense however i do not believe height or even scale to some degree can be a metric for determining if an adu is incidental especially when the same section of code specifically outlines the height this is contradictory how can you limit height by saying is incidental and right after define what height you can build to the precedence has already been set for this in previous code cycles with multiple two-story edus approved where there's a principal dwelling uh as a single story the recent shift in direction of how adus are reviewed and approved by staff without public comment or public notice is a concern as it puts me and many other professionals in a tough position when we are expected to meet review criteria that has not been publicly discussed or is publicly available

[90:02] now to wrap things up it was my understanding that changing the adu code was to create more market and affordable housing within the city the city want more housing or is the goal to have so many conditions that little changes hopefully the former thank you thank you rob next we have lisa nelson lilly warren and leslie gloucester lisa can you hear me yep great uh thank you for this opportunity to speak tonight um as some of you know i have lived at 10th and college for the last 30 years first of all i would like to thank rachel and mark for coming to 10th street on the morning after the riot to help clean up and listen to the community and the chief herald for the ultimate police response that avoided serious injury or worse outcomes i wish i had more than two minutes because there was a lot i could share in response to many of your questions during chief harold's presentation but i don't i would also like to thank rachel and mark for the um asking for the notified tonight the hill

[91:01] revitalization working group has been coming together since 2015 to address the chronic issues affecting the whole neighborhood there's clearly a strong need and desire to make concrete changes that will improve conditions on the hill and we cannot make those changes without the engagement and support of key city staff speaking on behalf of myself my neighbors on the hill and the working group please support the request to dedicate staff resources to this work it is long overdue personally i also want all of you to understand that the events of march 6 were actually the second time i've been forced to spend hours sitting in the dark on my floor while waiting for the swat team to arrive in response to a violent and dangerous mob riding directly outside my front door i had a very similar experience during the halloween riot of 2004 which also originated in the 1100 block of 10th street and culminated in a confrontation with the swat team at 10th and college i can't confirm that many of the houses on the 1100 block of 10th street are fraternity and sorority annex houses and the parties where the riot originated started at 11 a.m on saturday morning i think that would have been the time to interrupt the course of events and i hope we will be working towards that

[92:00] sort of intervention with the support of the city in the future i ask all of you to support the nada 5 tonight to support the actions needed to prevent such a thing from happening again second speaking as individual resident of the hill community i'm also asking you to call the planning board decision on marpa house there are substantial factual and process errors with this decision and there's a lot of concern within the community about what will happen personally i believe the market house property offers a unique opportunity to create much needed housing for workforce and families thank you for your time this evening and your engagement and assistance with these issues that are crucial for the survival of my neighborhood thank you lisa next we have lily warren leslie gluskrum and ross cronin lilly hi can everybody hear me hello council my name is lily warren and i am a sophomore at the university of colorado boulder but i'm here today to talk about the rocky mountain greenway i am requesting that you withdraw from the rocky mountain greenway project for the following reasons first creating a

[93:00] system of bike trails at a former nuclear weapons plant site that is still extremely toxic is not something that i and many other cu students who i have talked to want in our community this project poses major health risks to the community as a whole especially because not many people are aware of the dangers of rocky flats it is simply unethical and irresponsible to support the creation of a recreational park in an area that is widely contaminated with plutonium particles as well as other hazardous waste such as american beryllium uranium and radioactive lead among many others it is also unfair that you are planning to put taxpayer dollars towards something that is such a major health risk without listening to the members of the community first even though cdpag has deemed the levels of plutonium as safe cdphe is operating under a conflict of interest as they are paid by the department of energy the doe are the ones who created the bombs in the first place and i don't think we should be listening to the ones who created this problem to determine what's safe the research conducted by the cdphe also neglects to include children the elderly and pregnant women and is overall not a clear picture of the true dangers of

[94:00] rocky flats please have a study session in which this issue could be further reflected on and make sure that there is time for independent speakers do not allow cd phd to take over this study session as they have been dominating this conversation for far too long as i understand you plan on talking about this issue at your next meeting on april 6 however you have only chosen biased speakers who are all in favor of the rocky mountain greenway it is imperative that you hear from both sides as only listening to one side is fundamentally against the principles of democracy broomfield has already withdrawn because they listed and decided rocky flats was unsafe many school districts including the boulder valley school district has banned field trips to rocky flats because they also found it to be a health risk for their students as elected officials it is not only your job but your responsibility to listen to the community and so far the community wants you with to withdraw thank you for your time thank you lilly next we have leslie gluestrom ross cronin and doug burton leslie good evening council leslie lustrom thank you as always for helping to our community navigate all the challenges we face

[95:00] they just came keep cropping up so thank you so very much i wanted to give you a quick update we have the data from excel for 2020 now it comes in their securities exchange commission report known as the 10k i've sent you that report and we'll just highlight a couple of things it's a little bit out of sight out of mind uh since we've stopped the municipalization process but out of sight out of mind doesn't mean that it's somehow everything's hunky-dory so appreciate the council paying attention to this we learned in excel's 2020 10k that in colorado they had 588 million of after tax net income boulder is about four percent of excel's load in colorado so four percent of 500 million would be 20 million there was 588 that's actually 23.5 million we'll round down to over 20 million so what boulder it did in 2020 was save six to 10 million on the municipalization process what many of us refer to as the pandemic

[96:00] panic process um but we've lost 20 million to a monopoly and next year will likely be the same and the same and the same and the same and the same the time we get a chance to reconsider this it'll be way over a hundred million dollars that'll have left our community in after tax net income and we have every reason to believe that an alternate provider could bring us much cleaner electricity excel was over 60 fossil fuel in 2020 in colorado and much cheaper so as we think about equity issues as we think about recovery in the economy as we think about truly being a low leader in climate i'm hoping the council will really take a minute to really digest what these figures mean they're in your inbox you can see them they're not easy to find but i've made it quite clear to you where to find them so appreciate your time as always and thank you for everything you do for the community thank you leslie next we have ross cronin doug burton and chris norris ross

[97:03] hi thank you my name is ross cronin i'm a sales manager at full cycle bikes in colorado multisport i'm concerned with the rapid growth and bike thefts in boulder i moved here from new orleans three years ago in the short time i've been here i've watched crime that approaches the level we had back home last year we had several shoplifters steal from our store at least one came in six times after he'd been arrested and released multiple times and confronted by us on several occasions this past summer family from auburn alabama came in one morning in a panic because all four of their rental bikes have been stolen they had been staying at the baldorado it ruined their trip i doubt they will return to boulder again our shop has been broken into our employees have been threatened customers have had their bike stolens for these customers they've lost their main mode of transportation most cities would have addressed these problems more seriously and provided police force with more tools to combat crime that i have since seen moved to boulder in fact it is just the opposite it seems like our police our policies are designed to encourage more criminals to

[98:01] find her home in our town it's it's a problem that seems to be growing like i said that i don't want to see repeated coming from new orleans our shop was broken into i would like to approach the police showed up very quickly but it just seems to end there um so it just seems to be a larger systemic problem that we're looking for a larger solution to again like to applaud the police fast response on the night of our burglary but looking for a larger solution thank you for the time thank you ross next we have doug burton chris norris and hope nicholson doug can you hear me yep my name is doug burton and i will be speaking about the call up of the planning board's approval of the conversion of the marpa house to 16 three-bedroom student apartments i live right across the street much discussion tonight is about the march 6 riot the opera house call up is

[99:00] a part of that discussion the riot makes it even more imperative that you call up this decision take a really close look at what it means for this neighborhood of mostly single family homes and somewhere down the road reverse the approval the concentration of students in one building at this particular location will fundamentally change the character of this neighborhood and will add to the enforcement challenges on the hill that the chief alluded to as the neighbors on the hill have experienced and documented many students are excessively loud some parked where they're not supposed to some come home in the middle of the night and many party where and when they should not the planning board's well-intended but vague and problematic conditions do not address the non-conformity of these and other issues to put it bluntly it would be a slap to the a slap in the face of this neighborhood for you to not call up this matter and the optics of not calling it up

[100:01] especially in light of the riot would not be good numerous procedural legal and factual flaws underline the underlying the approval outline in many substantive public comments without call up our recourse reluctantly will be an appeal to the courts as outlined in a letter from holland hart nearly everyone in the neighborhood opposes this project i emailed you last week two documents that concisely state the nature and extent of the neighborhood opposition i hope you will review them to call up the marpa house matter you do not need to decide tonight whether the planning board was right or wrong instead you only need to acknowledge that you are the elected body that should resolve this matter and make sure it gets done right thank you thank you doug next we have chris norris hope mickelson and john vanus chris

[101:01] hello can folks hear me yep great my name is chris norris and i am opposed to sb 62. i own and operate a vendor's cart on pearl street mall and have done so since 1997 first selling shave ice and for the past 19 years selling hats it is impossible not to observe the significant changes that have occurred on the mall during the pandemic before the pandemic i might go a year without having reason to call the police since the pandemic i have had dozens of occasions to call the police these incidents range from fighting and yelling obscenities to vandalizing public restrooms and theft on one occasion i reported a man for menacing and after he was arrested that day i learned that he was also wanted for punching a male stranger in the face as well as attacking a female stranger as she exited a public bus all had happened that same day

[102:01] and he was released the following morning since then i see this man routinely near my cart talking to himself about i suspect me he seems to be debating whether or not to confront me about my having called the police on him because of this and perhaps a dozen similar incidents i am reluctant to call the police at all lest i be targeted by the very people about whom i called instead i carry pepper spray whenever i'm at work also i now keep a baseball bat on my cart and three times i've had to wield it against crazed men if the situations that i have experienced during the pandemic are to become normal i must ask myself if i ought to apply for a concealed carry gun permit i assume that many other people wonder the very same thing this scenario would be very regrettable but perhaps inevitable if police are unable to incarcerate these troubled people as they had before the pandemic i asked the council to support the

[103:01] citizens of boulder and oppose sb 62. thank you so much thank you chris next we have hope nicholson john bannis and joelle rosbach hope hi my name is hope michaelson and i live on 13th street on the hill i'm an engineering professor at cu and i love interacting with cu students my husband and i chose to live on the hill because of the vibrance of the diverse community and the charm of the historical neighborhood unfortunately students can be very immature in their behaviors and the increasing density of student housing is having serious negative impacts on the on the hill neighborhood including trash historical homes litter broken glass frequent fire works sometimes throughout the night and recently violence i have lived in several other college towns including hanover new hampshire cambridge mass and palo alto california none of these towns has allowed the problems we see on the hill to take root and flourish in the way that boulder has the riot of match six underscores the legitimate concerns of the university

[104:00] hill residents over the proliferation of student housing in the neighborhood the current plan for non-conforming use of the marpa house property to accommodate high-density student housing represents exactly the type of development that will further promote the trend the neighbors have presented extensive data and legitimate concerns to the boater planning board and the planning board essentially ignored this input in the substance of its recommendations the proposed occupancy actually moves properly further toward non-conforming use for an r1 zone compared to the historical precedent of the past several decades for these reasons i asked the city council to call up the recommendation by the planning board and incorporate further input from the community we believe that the university needs to play a greater role in providing student housing and that the city council should use all the tools at its disposal to discourage the conversion of existing neighborhoods into student housing and to encourage the university to provide more housing for which it is responsible thank you so much for allowing me to have a voice in this meeting thank you next we have john baines joelle rosbach

[105:03] and robert mess john can you hear me yep uh council thank you for having me uh i'll make this as short as i can i i really appreciate a chief marissa harold's uh accurate and genuine uh factual um depiction of what's been going on these last 12 months and beyond uh all i can speak to is a very personal perspective as a business owner and a landlord down on the pearl street mall uh in regards to senate bill 62. uh i'll all i can say and this has been much echoed by uh some of my other business partners is that in the last 12 months we've had two uh break-ins one burglary on our second floor that's an office space uh in our building we've had a burglary in our restaurant we have had a chair thrown through our front window while people were dining within two inches of that window during service at night uh many other menacing and taunting acts

[106:01] that i don't need to go into uh but this has been a year that i have never seen anything quite like it before uh certainly in the the first about 12 months ago and those following 12 months much of it very much covid related and i think we all understand uh the correlation between the two uh much more concerning is what's happened in the last three to four six months which is the acceleration of crime and criminal activity in boulder on the pearl street mall and it's been accelerated by how the policing was being handled i very much applaud the discussions that's been having between the chief of police and now sheriff pele and the negotiations of opening up some of the jail space i applaud that i in my if you ask me a question of have i ever seen any of the activity that i witnessed in the last 12 months i can tell you not once in my 13 years of owning a business 20 years of

[107:01] working on the pearl street mall and i very much oppose senate bills say 6-2 thank you john next we have joelle rosbach robert mess and diane brenton joelle hi can you hear me yep thank you last friday afternoon i walked pearl street i spoke to a number of small businesses here are some of the things they wanted me to share with you on their behalf katie from art mart last night i was chased my car i've been verbally assaulted many times and almost physically assaulted this is not the pearl street i used to know we need a bigger police presence i have to carry mace and a knife oak michelle i was chased about a week ago walking to my car after work i carry a knife with me i don't feel safe at night rocket fizz employee i've had co-workers that have been verbally assaulted i carry a gun with me i grew up here pearl street is dying pedestrian shop we have people shoplift they steal right in front of us we used to file police reports but we stopped

[108:00] because it takes time and resources away from our business ruthie's we have to intervene with drug addicts and drunk drunk people daily we get spat at things thrown at us our customers get harassed and it's impacting our business one of our female workers was working and being verbally assaulted we had to step in the guy threatened to kill me we basically have to be our own security guards a retail store that didn't want to be named we have people that steal frequently i have a hard time keeping employees if they have experienced two incidents they don't feel safe pearl street is full of individuals that are a deterrent to paying customers canova homes susan we have been verbally accosted spit at his stat we have to keep the lights on all night my employees feel unsafe walking to their cars my female employees carry knives we need help from the police beat bookstore in the past three months i've had to call the police at least 10 times folks break into the building do meth urinate all over i've asked them to leave nicely they get aggressive i've been here 35 years i've been asked to fight more in the past 12 months than i've ever been

[109:00] the business community is being bombarded by crime and the police have limited measures to prevent crimes repeat crimes we are getting a real taste of what's to come if senate bill 62 passes i oppose it and ask that you do the same i'm happy to connect you with these individuals that i spoke with thank you joelle next we have robert mess diane brenton and deborah haley robert thank you my name is robert mess and i am the owner of fast eddie's hot dogs a mobile cart on the pearl street mall i have run the cart for nine of the 27 years it's been on the mall i was closed from mid-march until the 4th of july due to the pandemic when i reopened the mall had changed drastically there were fewer people working no tourists no street performers and few locals just out and about on a daily basis i was forced to wake people up sleeping in my assigned spot and ask them to move so i can open there were groups of people unmasked smoking cigarettes marijuana consuming alcohol

[110:00] constantly within 10 feet of my business i was verbally accosted and i had customers chased away i was harassed i had garbage and needles thrown at me i have been spit on i had my life threatened several times one time a man jumped onto my car held up his fist and screamed i'm going to kill you but miraculously stop when i duck for cover the police came and arrested him three days later he was back on pearl street the last time it occurred was there was another man harassing my customers with obscenities and blasting music it was not the first time he had threatened me either i was forced to shut down again and call the police he followed me around telling me he was going to end me and he would never stop after his arrest an officer advised me that there was a very little chance the man would be held for more than 24 hours and it might be a good idea for me to stay closed for a couple of days he admitted to being powerless to doing more because of the policies put in place during the pandemic now that

[111:00] troubled me deeply so i had to make a choice my safety or my business i have been closed since october third and now the spring is coming and i have to reopen i will i be safe not if the priority is to populate the jails at the expense of public safety not if we tie the hands of police and prosecutors and just hope for the best i oppose senate bill 62 it's not the answer it failed to keep pearl street safe during the pandemic and it doesn't serve the best interests of the people who it purports to benefit please help us thank you for your time thank you rob next we have diane brenton deborah haley and samantha short liam first of all thank you chief harold and your law enforcement teams it sounds like you yourselves are working with your own limitations and we appreciate your efforts just an observation i'm perplexed at the city council's reaction to cu's unruly behavior and your shock toward that out of control event after a party got out

[112:00] of control compared to the theft aggression and crime that occurs every single day on the boulder mall this is not meant as an excuse for those that student event but those kids are now facing consequences that will change their lives on the contrary people are committing felonies on the mall every day and have not seen the inside of a jail cell yet if this message sounds alarmist it's meant to be the city council can no longer remain complicit while the very well-being of our city swirls down the drain this town is falling victim to a system that is not working and the city council is not taking responsibility businesses are being attacked employees physically threatened and verbally abused people chase down the mall theft is a daily occurrence and happens in broad daylight who is accountable for this if not the city council then who there are two dysfunctional systems that work in this town public safety and homelessness homelessness is a systemic problem across the country that needs to be addressed homelessness should not

[113:00] threaten public safety public safety is our right the fact that we don't feel safe on the boulder mall is on the city council if keeping us safe is not the priority of the city council who can we count on doing nothing is not an option it's no longer safe to go to the boulder mall even chief harold admits boulder has fallen behind we all carry pepper spray some carry knives for self-protection imagine a situation where the public now arms itself and an entire uncontrolled population does the same that's that's sets the stage for a predictable outcome on your watch thank you thank you diane next we have deborah haley samantha short and evan ravitz debra it looks like oh here's debra sorry sam no problem let me bring her in the room

[114:00] should be able to unneed her debra you should be able to unmute it says i'm brenda deborah we can hear you thank you deborah you're unmuted you can begin deborah i'm sorry i can't i file my report um my name is deborah haley i'm 70 years old lived in boulder since 1969 i'm a librarian by profession thank you for this opportunity i have a story to tell on thursday february 11th i left my apartment about nine for work in longmont as i merged onto foothills highway i noticed two sleeping bags in the tent in the grass the temperature was 10 degrees i thought about the city's goal not to let anyone die from cold and called boulder police non-emergency for a wellness check and

[115:02] they asked the dispatch if police go around in weather like this checking on people outside she replied no not really a bit later a police officer called to say there were no people in the sleeping bags and the man in the tent did not want help they usually refuse help he said sometime that day near 29th and mapleton ryan stoops took his last breath friday's camera reported police assumed from his appearance the man was unhoused i drove back into boulder about four pm about the same time his body was found ryan was not unhoused ryan was a bolder kid my daughter's classmate from kindergarten to high school graduation in our south boulder neighborhood he ran with her crowd and had been at her house she said he was very nice played music according to his obituary ryan was 44 a college grad with a three-year-old son

[116:00] he worked in i.t if those officers who checked on the campers i reported that morning and continued west up the creek path letting anyone they encountered know that the weather was dangerous and offering alternatives to staying outside they may have met ryan asked if he was okay ryan's dad had passed away a week before from cancer perhaps ryan would have accepted a ride home i hope the new police oversight panel together with a new police chief will steer away from enforcement and towards service and safety here is clearly we want our parks to be safe and clean we want people in boulder be they residents travelers unhoused mentally ill addicted or impoverished to be looked out for just tell us what resources you need my condolences to the stoop family thank you deborah next we have samantha short evan ravitz and and troy siegler and i'm troy we we can't see if you're here

[117:01] if you are here if you could let us know in the q a box and with that we will turn to samantha hello uh can you hear me um thank you council uh for letting me speak today um i've been working on pearl street mall at a very small native american art gallery called suny for about six years throughout those six years i can't really explain how many times i've been harassed verbally assaulted and even one time exposed to by a man who was very mentally ill and had to go to court and testify against him um i have noticed that within the last year the crime um on pearl street mall has just gotten so out of control on one occasion probably right before the shutdown happened last march i had a gentleman come into my store

[118:00] probably every single day threatened to kill me um and do harm to me you know verbally abusing me as well when i called an officer in to um give a description he automatically knew who the gentleman was and told me that he was just mentally ill and on drugs and was harmless being a woman who is single you know alone working in an environment by myself it was really uneasy to hear an officer say something like that i really hope that more things are done to prevent these kind of acts that have just been terrorizing not only myself but other businesses up and down the pearl street mall it's really going to affect the environment of of the city if we don't get this issue under control um thank you for your time thank you samantha next we have evan

[119:01] ravitz troy siegler and connie brenton evan hi i agree no radioactive greenway you'd think boulder would be promoting our world's first online petitioning for direct democracy now available at petitions.foldercolorado.gov especially since direct democracy is how boulder got the country's first voter approved open space the country's first gay rights law public campaign financing etc you'd think the city would be investigating why the city attorney told you at the december 15th meeting that the city manager the city clerk and the city i.t director all left working for the city because of the online petitioning debacle

[120:01] and why the city attorney is soon joining that list and you'd think the city would be investigating why it spent 409 000 on a problematic online petitioning system having turned down on false pretenses the free offer of just what we wanted from a renowned national nonprofit more government by the people seems to become have become a horrific embarrassment for whoever is running our city yet council put online petitioning on the ballot unanimously after our city working group unanimously supported it voters approved it by over 71 percent so it seems that some on council were insincere letting staff butcher the project and then leave and they gave the city attorney and city manager a big

[121:01] raise in the middle of the butchering since boulder media dare not question such things i'll be presenting what i've learned in three years of spearheading the project at two minutes per meeting i should be here for the next two thousand years or so the truth shall set you free thank you evan next we have troy siegler connie brenton and lynn siegel um brenda has troy arrived i don't see ryan have not gotten a message great let's go with connie next and ani you should be able to unmute i'm unmuted thank you thank you for uh allowing me to speak to you individually and also tonight i had intended on talking about something entirely different however i need to talk about what happened today

[122:01] i've been talking for about a year about the increasing danger of the downtown mall i sent videos during the summer and it's getting increasingly worse so today i was walking i was working in the back office and my 6-2 employee came in the back and said we have somebody in the front making a disturbance and i went out and there was somebody in the store who i who was visibly on drugs and he's and i asked him to leave and i said i'm so sorry but i'm going to have to ask you to leave the store and he came towards me so this is the first time keep in mind that i call the police between two and four times a week so i'm fairly calm under these under this situation i have a lot of experience and he came towards me and i thought oh

[123:02] my goodness this is this is the time i checked his jacket to see are you going to reach in for a machete are you going to reach in for a gun and he wouldn't leave so i reached for my phone i reached for my pepper spray and i had gotten up from the office without anything on me so i walk i backed my way over to the to the counter and i called the police and and i said you need to send someone down here right this minute he's not leaving this is the first time i've ever had nobody not leave he barricaded himself in the front of the door so they did end up coming my employee my you know luckily had a large male employee with me at the time and helped stand at the door to get him out so he did eventually leave my heart was pounding out of my chest so i didn't get the regular things i don't have the i don't have the video i don't

[124:01] have the i don't have the good description uh but we have now gone to the next level so i implore you to bring additional police presence down to the pearl street mall thank you connie um last lin single okay i'm freezing cold here um it's 52. um first of all i wanted to compliment lily's remarks and leslie bluster thank you mark really about rocky flats um and leslie about municipalization and you know the losses that boulder experienced from this are are really big

[125:02] and right now when we've got rising inequality and racial inequity and a lot of development subsidies and the problem is he's increased crime and that's what you've heard so much about in this uh open comment session um now what i wanted to bring up personally about tonight is the city manager that i'm rather concerned about um the choice of the processor and i think we you know when the city hires someone it's for a long time jane was here 12 years and it's it's really concerning when there's not um a more nuanced discussion about how this person would react um

[126:01] in february of 2020 there was a study session and there was a decision made for a year-long work plan for suny south made under the radar of city council the city manager sort of stepped right in and said this cannot happen you know that the direction should not be given as sam gave to the um city department that works done for yourself that should not have happened um without it coming before the city council so the city manager is a really important person in our community i also have to bring up marpa house lin thank you man your time is up you'll get to i thank him and to see you thank you lynn okay with that we will close open comment and turn to staff

[127:00] chris tom any responses if i can get my me button i'm done there sorry sam uh no response for me tonight but happy to answer any questions and tom i have nothing a lot of moving testimony i did want to note that 1179 people have successfully used the online petitioning system it appears to be working very good thank you council amy response mary yeah thanks sam um so several people spoke um regarding sb62 and we've been receiving a lot of email regarding sb62 and i was curious to better understand the role that the city plays in the outcome of that measure and where we're at and what can the city do would it be okay mary if i colloquy briefly and told you what i know about that

[128:00] please that would be great thank you um we will be having a legislative committee meeting on thursday this will be one of the topics on that meeting and the legislative committee will give direction to carl castillo about um how we should what stance and posture we should adopt on that as as a city organization and city council and then it will be discussed with our legislative agenda discussion which i believe is april 6th i can look that up but at the april meeting when we discuss the legislative agenda all council will have the opportunity to weigh in on what position we should take on that it is a bill which has a few elements to it and the guidance from the legislative policy document doesn't necessarily clearly delineate what we should do with that so those are the steps that i know will come without taking any position on the bill at all i do know that um

[129:01] city staff has testified on this bill at least once it is common i think for city staff to testify on issues that staff has a position on but i believe any any position that we would take the legislative committee and through council as a whole will dictate the organization's position does that answer your question yes it does thank you sam and sam if i can jump into carl castillo is here in the meeting and and can add a little bit more additional information great thank you carl i didn't see you yeah yeah thank you uh mayor i'm sure that the council members are very curious about what this bill is about and i know that we're going to meet on thursday as an intergovernmental affairs committee but i think it's worth understanding the the general outline senate bill 62 would create restrictions on the ability of police officers to make arrests for a variety of crimes and that would include

[130:01] petty offenses misdemeanors as well as cross four five or six felonies um unless um officers found certain um a suspicion to conclude that the person poses a threat to the safety of another or suspicion to include the person that has indicated a clear willingness to cease and desist the other thing it does is it puts limitations on when our municipal judge can provide a monetary bond for the release of the uh the defendant or the suspect it basically requires a higher threshold before a monetary bond can be issued so the only thing i'll add to what the mayor mentioned and as far as the consideration on thursday and and mary to your specific question about what the city can do so what we can do is we can lobby our our legislators we have not taken an official position on this we can do so

[131:01] and we can do so as soon as friday after the committee meets and the reason i bring this up is because i worry that if we wait until april 6 we might lose that opportunity and we actually do have direction that would support a position on this but because i think this is sufficiently let's just say political and controversial i wanted to make sure that i got the the direction from the intergov intergovernmental affairs committee so between the position which is essentially protect local control uh protect the council's ability to determine how enforcement is made and how our municipal judge makes the decisions i wanted to allow the um uh the intergovernmental affairs committee to weigh in and then we could we could encourage uh senator fenberg to take whatever position the committee adopts um so i only mentioned it because it might be time sensitive and i cannot guarantee that we will have the ability to wait until april 6 when this will come before

[132:02] council so that's all i have to add mayor i hope that's consistent with with your concerns and interests as well i think it's completely consistent i will say one more thing i can review this at length at the legislature or sorry the the policy committee hearing but we did speak a bit about this at cml which is the colorado municipal league at the policy committee so i don't want to go into it here because we'll have a few opportunities too but um we also took a preliminary position about um asking questions about some potential amendments to the bill so with that mary i'll come back to you did that answer your question yes it did um and if i heard correctly it sounds like there's two kind of fairly disparate um pieces to this bill there is a i would call it um bail and bond reform component and there's an arrest standards component and carl

[133:01] described at least the arrest standards component okay thank you and then next we have rachel aaron bob and junie rachel um well i guess that just a follow-up question to mary's um if the city's going to start advocating on friday possibly before it comes to all of council i assume that we as individual council members can still advocate outside of whatever the council decides absolutely absolutely okay because just for context like there are some very redeeming aspects of this bill and i think that we are getting in our inbox you know not much gray and just black or white like oppose or support and i actually would like to see an amendment which is what i'll be advocating for but um i just want to make sure i'm still uh free to do that so um my two questions one is we heard about the rocky mountain greenway a couple times um

[134:00] and some people wanted or at least one speaker wanted to make sure that we have a variety of or a balanced presentation panel or something like that i just wanted to get some information on what we're expecting or who we will hear from at that meeting if we've had if we need public engagement have we had it i guess kind of two-part question there that might be to chris rachel i will admit i got a bit distracted myself you repeat your uh the second part of your question for rocky mountain greenway have we had whatever do we need public process have we had it do we have a balanced uh sort of two different sides prepared to be presented whenever that's coming in april yeah we're scheduled to talk rocky mountain greenway and i don't remember the exact date off the top of my head uh but we're set to bring an update uh to council on that there's a fairly long history of the city's engagement so uh um

[135:01] we can go ahead and bring some of that when when that comes forward to council okay um and then you know we heard a lot about um crime on pearl street and you know people currently not feeling safe there so i just wanted to check in with maris i guess if she's still here um she mentioned that that we were upping patrols it looked like in that .17 square mile area or something i'm assuming that's where this is and do you feel like we are we are uh getting at this or addressing or moving in the right direction or any updates yeah thanks rachel and i i really appreciate the community talking because they have had a rough uh go around this last year with the jail restrictions um and so yes i'm giving them everything i have down there um all of our available resources i'm taking discretionary time away from the officers um they are being deployed in this area deputy chief weinheimer and i have a

[136:00] meeting this week to discuss narrowing and figuring out the correct dosage it might take academic support as well to really analyze this data um but we're willing to give everything we have to make people feel safe in that like very small footprint of the downtown corridor but i do i appreciate the community and i'm really sorry um a lot of community people are telling me the same same terrible story so uh yeah we'll get it right thanks and you know if if there's a little you know a couple block segment of our community where people are really getting targeted for um robbery and assaults you know are there are there ways that we can have response be more rapid like i'm visualizing some uh government situations where i've worked and you have like a panic button that you hit and then like you are then on a like rapid response situation are we looking at things like that that will um you know in in this area where it sounds like we maybe uh

[137:01] have at least until the prosecution's moved through but for this period of time um heightened heightened issues or do you feel like we are doing what we can there yeah here here's the truth um the police officers we have a team that's established down there the mall team and they are down walking and providing high visibility at all times um by the arrest that i showed last one of the last slides i showed um we are making we are responding and making significant arrests um it's just the whole criminal justice system on the back end is just not working and so not only is the jail restricted trials are restricted not only trials are restricted but all of the services that go with the criminal justice system therapy drug addiction it's all down and so it's just a really tough spot because the police officers are responding really quickly and they are making arrests a ton of arrest it's just the

[138:02] whole system shut down i do have hope i do think this gets better moving forward and so um i hope that's helpful rachel yeah i appreciate it maris thanks thanks rachel so rachel just to answer your your question um april 13th is when we will be hearing about the rocky mountain greenway update it is a study session so for what that's worth um uh aaron and then juni erin yeah well thanks for additional information maris i just wanted to say to the community members who told the story of their personal experience with with crime downtown sorry you've had those experiences um and just make it clear we are coming back to that topic at the end of the meeting tonight to talk about our next steps so uh it's not that we're just putting aside not talking about anymore it is scheduled for later on thank you aaron junie

[139:00] thanks i have a question for tom and it relates to i guess some of the comments that were made during open comment when community members were talking about trash noise and other issues such as young people using fireworks and i can imagine it's hard for i guess their neighbors and i'm wondering when it comes to i guess rental applications are there any city codes for these particular issues and when when i guess when how do i frame that question when when a young person moving to the hill as part of that application do they get do they know for instance that trash noise and using fireworks is not acceptable at certain hours or do you understand

[140:01] yeah so the um hip the the university and the city cooperate on a move-in information program every year and actually go door-to-door with the students and inform of of what what their expectations are to live in the neighborhood and how to work with them we have a series of ordinances we strengthened our fireworks ordinance about five years ago uh you could only be charged with uh igniting a firework we changed it to possession of fireworks in the city of boulder being illegal so police have charged individuals with possession because it's really hard to catch somebody shooting them off there are still a lot of challenges but i i would not say that people don't understand the expectations it's the behavior that needs to be addressed thank you thank you juni um with that i see no other hands so i think we are good to move on

[141:00] i'll turn back to you alicia all right thank you sir next on our agenda we have the consent agenda items a through j very good and um i guess i will ask chris or actually maybe i should turn to bob and rachel we the first item that we have marked to call out is the city attorney recruitment brochure so i would like to see if bob and or rachel would like to address that and and mary also sent in some suggested changes today she she did i'll tell you crack at this and rachel can correct my mistakes um so uh we had a recruiter that would which counsel uh authorized the committee to engage um interview council members and members of staff as to the qualifications and criteria they'd like to see for our next city attorney

[142:00] the recruiter and jen sprinkler hr director who i believe is available this evening right now prepared a draft kind of job description which rachel and i then met with them on and made some revisions too and then we posted those with this packet for tonight's meeting very very helpfully uh made some suggested edits um to the to that um uh which racial i haven't met on and um we made a couple of of revisions and americans speak for herself as to whether those further revisions were acceptable to her but um i think uh i sent out on hotline uh this afternoon a revised draft which includes both mary's edits and then a couple further revisions from rachel and me as the um as the committee and we're looking for approval tonight because we'd like to go on on posting this since council will be meeting for a few weeks we want to post um this job description soon so that um we can get applications in our i guess our i think our target is to get applications in by the 25th of april so then we can roll into

[143:00] interviews um during may in anticipation of tom's retirement at the end of june rachel any any corrections to that no that's well said i would just add obviously um if anyone else has recommendations or uh proposed edits we would love to hear those as well tonight and and bob's right we are trying to have a pretty rapid turnaround on this so um we understand we didn't give a ton of time for people to uh digest it but hopefully hopefully it's good enough very yeah i just want to thank bob and rachel for the great draft and um and want to also just thank both of you for the additional edits to my edits which are all um highly acceptable to me and um if nobody else has any additions i think we should fly okay super thank you for that we will just leave that where it sits on the consent agenda um and then i guess the other item we had flagged on the content agenda is the appointment of the city

[144:02] manager and i would turn to marion aaron for the recommendations you're going to give to us on that mary do you want to leave that off sir my pleasure um so as you all saw um in the press release yesterday um aaron and i are recommending nuria rivera vandermeide on for the position of city manager we were just highly impressed with all the feedback that we got from the community and from staff as well as you all my colleagues our colleagues um and we just you know we just feel that she will do a fabulous job and um highly credentialed highly experienced and we couldn't recommend her more highly um aaron yeah absolutely agree with everything that mary said the the feedback was

[145:01] really quite overwhelming um in favor of nuria's selection and i think she's going to make an extraordinary leader for the city so i hope council will support our recommendation to i guess go negotiate with her and sign and sign a contract very good and i appreciate you guys for bringing this forward to us i just want to say we had two excellent finalists um for city manager the whole process thanks to you too and jen sprinkle was extremely well organized extremely well run i thought both the public engagement and the fact that we had anonymized um resumes to look at it first really lent a very level playing field to the whole process i just want to thank you guys for your hard work thank jen and our consultants as well um and i'm happy to support the recommendation of the committee tom are we good to go forward do you think

[146:01] okay super with that um i think i'd look for a motion bob i moved that we moved the entire consent agenda uh and the only change from what was originally presented would be the revised draft of the city attorney job description which rachel and i post on hotline this afternoon second and rachel i see well hold on i'm seeing hands go up and down rachel did you have something bob raised his hand to make the motion so then i thought that's how we're doing it so i raised my hand to second it and then aaron's just spoke right out in there um since i'm up though i will say um i want to echo all the the kind words about nuria and we're all excited um that this is going out to her and and that kevin was also a phenomenal applicant and um i'm grateful that we had two good finalists and i think um bob and i have pretty big shoes to fill as

[147:01] the attorney search subcommittee so thanks excuse 13 adam yeah i had a brief point of discussion as well i'm i'm very much looking forward to nuria joining us i just want to talk very briefly about uh city structure i noticed that our new city manager will make about three councils worth of money which i get it you know it's hard to attract top talent but when you're looking at how our government is structured here in the city just know that one city manager equals 27 council members approximately and when you think about that think about who is representing you because of things like that so um maybe it's time for the city to look at how we are represented through how we are compensated and honestly sometimes maybe we're not worth 11 000 a

[148:02] year but um you know in in many people's minds but i think it's a worthy time to check in on that and talk about it as a city in the future thank you adam rachel yeah so i think adam brings up a good point um that the council you know council members do not make an attractive salary such that uh that it would lure a lot of people to this pretty demanding uh job and i think jenn sprinkles got a pretty good explanation of why we um why we put the salary where we do for positions like city manager and city attorney and we're trying and she can explain it better than i can if she wants so i would just say you know the problem to me is not that we are are compensating a city manager appropriately i think that the conversation is um how does the city want to compensate future elected officials i just want to clarify that and i see jan is now on camera

[149:00] yeah i'm jen sprinkle the hr director i'm happy to jump in and provide a little bit more context but um we provide a consistent methodology to how we classify jobs across the city and understand the internal and external equity for roles so the city purchases market data that reflects public sector and private sector employment and we seek to understand for data what is the appropriate hiring range based on the candidates qualifications and so the hiring range for the city manager position reflects the salary of the prior city manager plus the growth um in in market essentially um that we're trying to attract qualified candidates to reach so happy to answer any more questions beyond that thank you jen uh rachel is that good yeah okay mark i see your hand yeah well i am often told i'm not worth 11 000 a year so

[150:00] um i certainly uh don't expect more but i think adam makes a a good point it's not i don't think he was saying that the um the city manager makes too much but that uh members of council make too little and that that is a restraint on the caliber of people who would otherwise run and serve uh in this office um it's very hard i mean it's done but it's very hard to do with with people who have full-time jobs and family situations and it may be time to begin to take a look at it i think it's a reasonable point very good thank you all um i'm just going to round that out and clarify that mark said exactly what i meant if i didn't say it nuanced enough and i appreciate you following up both rachel landmark i think our new city manager is going to be worth every single dollar if not more um i just think you may not be getting the representation you're seeking if

[151:01] you're expecting it to come with only eleven thousand dollars a year and i will point out um that is a charter requirement the salaries are set in charter just to go on the record saying how we are here um so it would require a charter amendment to adjust that so we get inflation adjustments but that's it as limited by charter there have been attempts in the not too distant past to change the council pay scale but i think given all the work we're doing around equity it's certainly a good conversation to be having right now so with that we have a motion in a second on the consent agenda and i believe alicia this is roll call is that correct yes sir because we have an ordinance on adoption on the consent agenda so i'll start the roll call now council member friend yes joseph yes bagel

[152:02] i'm sorry yes yes i thank you sweat nick yes and content agenda was passed unanimously sir very good thank you i think we all should i i know the nuria won't start until may but i think maybe we could take a quick pause now and we'll do it again to thank chris messcheck for stepping in serving as our interim city manager since jane's retirement in october i know that chris will be in that role for a few more weeks but i just want to say i'm glad for myself that i really really appreciate all the hard work that chris has done he stepped up and uh served us very well and and i hope that i know that cert chris will be serving the the city for many many years to come in in in various roles so thank you

[153:00] chris yes thank you very good thank you for that bob um with that i think we're ready to move on alicia all right sir next on our agenda is item 4a call up check in first we have the call up item for the non-conforming use review for the historic restoration and conversion of the former marpa house group living quarters in 891 12th street into 16 three-bedroom dwelling units with a maximum occupancy of 48 persons project site is zoned residential low 1 rl1 case number lur 2020-0022 and and we've got uh charles farrow and sloane wahlberg from planning and development services as well as uh jacob lindsay here we have prepared a couple of slides for council on this call-up uh

[154:01] if council so desires us to walk through those real quick let's go ahead and do that okay all right well um good evening everyone oh sorry about that let's see if i can actually see it all right so the item before you as was described is to determine whether to call up the use review application that was approved by planning board to convert an existing boarding house at 891 12th street to 16 self-contained dwelling units and to renovate and restore the historic structure i'm going to quickly cover the proposal and the conditions of approval there is no applicant presentation tonight but there are members of the applicant team available if the council has any questions so just to jump right in the nearly half

[155:02] acre project site is located at the northeast corner of aurora avenue and 12th street in the university hill neighborhood it's less than a half mile walk from broadway in the university of colorado campus it is located in the residential low zone district as well as all of the surrounding properties so just to cover some history the existing building was constructed in 1923 for a fraternity use which was prior to the city's adoption of the first zoning ordinance in 1928. um the underlying zoning has remained some form of low-density residential zoning since that time thus the site has been non-conforming as to use since zoning was first instituted in the city it was utilized as a fraternity use until 1977 at which time the tibetan organization farah datu established the marpa marpa house boarding house

[156:01] for people interested in buddhism meditation and eastern spirituality the city has documented the maximum occupancy as 50 persons although the actual occupancy has fluctuated over time and last year the structure was designated as an individual historic landmark due to its historic architectural and cultural significance so although the use was lawfully established it is considered non-conforming to the low-density residential zoning it's non-conforming adds to use because the group residence is not permitted in the zone district it's not conforming as to density and also minimum required parking the development proposal is considered an expansion of a non-conforming use because the proposal will add dwelling units and bedrooms applications for non-conforming use review must be reviewed per the specific criteria set forth in

[157:01] section 9215 of the land use code and a determination on this application is a criteria-based decision on january 21st the planning board held a public hearing on the item and decided to continue the board's consideration to february 18th to allow staff to draft conditions as directed in that public hearing um and then on february 18th the planning board voted 7-0 to approve the use review application with specific conditions of approval which i will cover in a minute um so just real quick i don't mean to interrupt i just want to double check are are you showing visuals for us to look at because we're only seeing a blank screen okay that you should be seeing a visual and thank you um i'm seeing issues are you okay are you seeing non-conforming uses i am interesting zoom is funny tonight because i'm not seeing anything so don't don't mind me sorry all right

[158:01] it's not that interesting um so for justin i think it's important to note that different from other jurisdictions boulder's land use code does not seek to eliminate non-conforming uses the code allows non-conforming uses to be changed and upgraded and generally the non-conforming use review criteria are focused on minimizing adverse impacts to surrounding properties maintaining compatibility and improving the appearance of the property and the use review process provides flexibility for improving rehabilitating or modifying non-conforming properties which can help promote reinvestment in neglected structures or properties so just quickly to give some context the area is characterized by residential uses it's historically housed university students staff and faculty there are a number of non-conformities in the area particularly to the north

[159:01] and also the most significant example would be the pi phi sorority house located across the alley to the west which is approximately 28 000 square feet in area with 80 residents in 38 bedrooms as a member of the public also noted there's a large number of single-family detached homes in the area the site contains an approximately 40-foot tall four-story building there's surface parking located off the alley and as i mentioned the site was landmarked last year the proposal includes the rehabilitation of the historic building and also removing non-historic elements like storage jets fire escapes and some life safety upgrades so based on the history of the use of the site the property owner could choose to continue to operate this property consistent with a group living quarters like a boarding house fraternity sorority dormitory with a maximum of 50

[160:00] occupants the population served could vary and would not be required to be comparable with that of the marpa house and i would just also note that allow allowable occupancy for group residences like this are determined based on city records which include rental license records the applicant is requesting approval of a use review to allow the applicant to reconfigure and reconstruct the interior laid out of the building to create 16 dwelling units the proposal would reduce the allowable occupancy of the development to 48 persons which is three occupants per unit they've also submitted a good neighbor statement of operations which is intended to act as a management plan and to document expectations on how the site is managed um i also just want to note that a non-conforming use could also be converted to a conforming use some of those uses that would be allowed per use review or conditional use review are

[161:01] listed but i would just note that they would still be required to meet parking and density requirements um to avoid a non-conforming use review which could be pretty difficult with a large historic structure like this one their proposal does include several site and building improvements to meet the review criteria that's establishing nine vehicular spaces off the alley and um they're also proposing to renovate and remove large gathering spaces which are currently provided as interior rooms exterior decks exterior concrete party areas those would be redesigned to serve more like a passive open space area they're also proposing excess bike parking both as short-term and long-term bike parking in the basement and some other landscape and site improvements so um

[162:00] the disposition of approval dated february 18th does include 24 conditions and sub-conditions which are intended to ensure that the use does not have adverse impacts on neighboring properties and that the site is well managed the conditions are also written to support future enforcement and straightforward interpretation by enforcement staff most notably parking is restricted for the use to 12 vehicles to be parked in the public right-of-way in the vicinity each allowed tenant vehicle would be issued a numbered parking pass and the applicant would be required to provide each tenant who has a driver's license with an ego car share membership or a similar membership tenants are required to meet with management to be informed of the parking limits and to sign a parking agreement in which they either agree not to park in the right-of-way or on the property or within their assigned parking space they would also be required to disclose

[163:01] their make model license plate of the vehicle they own or use quiet hours have been defined for the use as 10 p.m to 7 a.m sunday through thursday and 11 p.m to 8 a.m friday and saturday during those quiet hours unreasonable noise amplified sounds or noises would be prohibited and the city would be able to enforce upon that each tenant is required to sign a good neighbor agreement attesting that they understand that they will be living in a quiet neighborhood and agree to not disturb the quiet enjoyment of both the tenants of the building and also the surrounding neighbors the occupancy would continue to be limited to three per unit regardless of any changes to the land use code on-site management would be required which would enforce the requirements of the reapproval and also the tenant's lease parking good neighbor agreements and direct contact info for that on-site

[164:01] management would be provided to neighbors for complaints or other concerns and then lastly they're required to submit a marketing plan that would be designed to attract more diverse population rather than just students and specifically aimed at residents interested in a living in a quiet environment that's all i have and i'm happy to answer any questions thank you very much son i see bob i'm gonna cut right to the chase and move that we call this up um i think um upon public hearing if that's what will council will discover that we can probably do a lot less than community members think we can do on this um but i would like to call it up for the reason of at least reviewing the conditions that the planning board put together and see if we can improve upon them thank you bob

[165:06] sam you're frozen for many of us all right sorry about that folks uh zoom crashed and came back so bob i heard that you made a motion and then i've got a bunch of hands up afterwards so we'll go with mark aaron um and nearby mark like the second bob's motion for uh all of the reasons that he said uh and i would like to bring the call this up thank you uh aaron as uh sloan uh you talked about um a little bit about uh other by-right uses yes and so there's a list of them so my question is um if it were left as a non-conforming use um and the disowner or some other owner wanted to um change the change that while maintaining

[166:00] their own conforming use but uh not um expand it what would be some of the options of things that they could do kind of without expanding that non-conforming use did i hear that fraternities and sororities were an option that's correct so um they do have the option to operate as looks like my i'm breaking up a little bit but um as a group living um arrangement like a fraternity sorority any of those things would be allowed okay but they wouldn't be allowed to increase the number of bedrooms is that cracked or units that's that is correct they couldn't add dwelling units or bedrooms and they would be still limited to the same number of people okay and can you remind us what those counts of bedrooms units and people are i don't have the bedrooms off the top of my head i know there are some sort of um you know more dormitory style rooms which what units and people's came up

[167:01] and yep so it's considered one dwelling unit one group living arrangement and that's 50 occupants got it okay so you could operate a fraternity or sorority with 50 people in it without expanding the non-conforming use that is correct okay thanks thank you aaron um nearby and then rachel nearby sorry i don't have my video on i'm eating um i just was going to third and say that i would like to pull this up considering the outcry from the neighborhood i think it'd be good to give this a chance to have a public hearing and hear from the community further thank you nearby rachel um thanks sam and thanks slim for the presentation one my first question was i think similar to aaron sort of what are the buy right options and like it looks like they could run a daycare or have maybe a homeless shelter or i'm not sure what other emergency shelter we would be looking at or um

[168:03] i guess a a church or a fraternity is that kind of that the options that they have if um if we call this up and deny it is that what hap i i i'm just trying to figure out like what what is the buy right and what happens if it's denied right so essentially they could choose to operate it as a non-conforming reuse so they could operate it like a fraternity or marpa house they have that option currently they also have the option of trying to make the property conforming to use so that was the list of uses in the use table that are allowed some of them require use review or conditional review so you were right there there's a government facility a religious assembly emergency shelter okay and and is i'm just still not that familiar with

[169:01] these processes so i i thank you for bearing with me here but is that sort of if these go south is that what then happens to the property people do what they can by right um you know it i think in this case they are constrained and in the landmarking of the property so i think it i was trying to point out that it would be pretty hard for them to sort of meet the parking requirements say for a government facility um just because there's just not that much space on the property so my understanding is that it's they would be more likely to operate it like it is today as a group living arrangement then try and make it a buy right development all right thank you um and then if we call it up um to to sort of i guess set expectations

[170:00] where where you know we might be able to um respond i guess to concerns what are what can happen at call up that we could change short of um a full denial i guess ultimately of an application like can i say i you know and if i can get five people to agree with me i i demand that this be painted rainbow colors or like is it sky's the limit for what we can do or are we limited somehow in in our discussion are there boundaries and contours to that so there are very specific review criteria in the code so it would have to be related to one of those criteria specifically ensuring that it's compatible with the area or the character of the area you might be able to make an argument on that um or that you're reducing impacts or mitigating impacts to surrounding

[171:00] area surrounding properties surrounding areas in terms of the history of the area i think you mentioned that the actual density fluctuated in terms of who was occupying it in its previous incarnations do we do you have some information i understand that the the request is for 48 i think total humans and 16 units max um and what was it previously as it fluctuated do we know like the the volume of people who occupied it so right so we um when we're reviewing applications like this we we just rely on the city documentation there's an assumption that there'll be some fluctuation in group living quarters so hypothetically if they have a resonant leave that doesn't mean that they lose the ability to have that many people living there they have the ability to to replace that so they just have a maximum of 50 occupants

[172:01] and that was this that was firmly established with the marpa house even though there has been testimony that that number may not have reached 50 occupants over the last 10 years okay um all right that's all my questions thanks so much thank you rachel so with that we have a motion and a second um i believe this is a show of hands alicia is that right i think i think you call up or tom maybe tom you're the one to ask that's correct sam you don't need a roll call on this okay okay so with that i will call for the vote all those in favor of calling up the marpa house for a review raise your hand one two three four five six so rachel's no mary's a yes so that's seven juni i can't tell if you're a yes or no

[173:01] no okay so it passes seven to two so this uh item is called up 891 12th street is called up for council that goes with the review presented but um uh anyway to bob's point um we we may only have edges to tinker around in here but i i did want to be responsive to the uh many many people who wanted us to take a closer look at this thank you aaron rachel yeah i i just wanted to explain um my vote which is that um i i suspect that we will only be able to tinker at the edges at best and i'm very concerned that we get um a lot of help for the issues that people are raising on the hill and i think that with our limited time we'd actually be better spent to take you know a four-hour evening and a lot of staff

[174:01] time and dig into some of the meat of of what we could do to really help the hill so i just wanted to explain it's not a lack of wanting to listen to people i'd just like to listen in an arena where i think we can really um dig in rather than nibble very good rachel's point i just want to ask a question i guess of tom and this may not be a popular suggestion it's really just a question tom on um our use review call up um are we required to have a public hearing the reason i ask that is because it was tremendous testimony offered to the playing board which we have access to because it was videotaped and if it was the will of counsel could council hear a presentation from staff and then get right to us deliberation relying on the testimony that was offered at planning board or are we required by law to have a second public hearing you are required to have obamacare that's fine thank you thank you bob i see no other hands i'll briefly state my reason for voting yes

[175:00] um one of the key points that any quasi-judicial review can result in is conditions of approval so there's obviously approve as is and deny but what happens much more often is that conditions of approval are imposed and so i think the the actions we'll be taking are mostly reviewing the conditions that were imposed seeing if they are sufficient and if there are enforcement mechanisms in place so i voted yes to call it up so that we could review the conditions of approval and perhaps alter them so and maybe deny or maybe approve as planning board did but anyway that was my motivation for it so that said anything else on this issue mary yeah the other reason to call it up is to as sam said to look at the conditions and see consider the enforcement and see what else we can do but also to better understand

[176:02] what kinds of policy changes may be needed to address things in the future so um i just wanted to add that to my rationale anyway for calling it up adam i would just say maybe this is one of those instances where we can ask the community unless they're bringing up new information um to juice agree with a previous speaker uh to move things along more quickly very good thank you all for your comments um and alicia i think we're ready to move on to the next item all right so our next item 4b is a landmark alteration certificate consideration of a proposal to reconstruct an outdoor cafe seating platform between the chautauqua dining hall and college 100 based on historic photographs at 100 momentous drive a contributing property

[177:00] in the tsutaca park historic district mary oh i'm sorry your hand's still up sorry um so then i'll ask do any council members wish to call this one up seeing none on to the next one alicia all right sir 4c is a site review for the development of a 100 permanently affordable housing development consisting of 100 attached dwelling units on-site leasing office and site improvements at 2727 29th street and a associated use review for attached dwelling units located along the ground floor facing a street on the site this project site is zoned business main street bms in its case number lur 2020.00038 thank you um aaron and then rachel yeah i have uh no desire to call this up

[178:01] and it's a fantastic project uh boiler housing partners is involved 100 units of affordable housing near the center of our city it's kind of hard to get any better than that i just want to bring up one small issue around the connections plan that was raised to me by community cycles i thought it was it was worth bringing forward here i understand there's an existing curb cut on that block that leads most directly to the goose creek path that's nearby seems like an important cycling connection or connection with people with uh wheelchair strollers etc um but the city staff uh decided that that should not have um occur i'm sorry curb cuts the wrong word but a ramp right the ramp down from the sidewalk um so that just concerned me i understand city stop brought up some safety considerations those seem like some pretty low speed streets and it seems like the connection for people on wheels would be would be valuable it didn't exist already i don't believe there have been any accidents

[179:00] associated with that um so just wanted to hear city staff speak to that and see if that's possible to consider adding that back in great no thanks for the question aaron so while the improvements themselves aren't triggered by the development and simply installing curb cuts and striping for a crosswalk would be considered very unsafe based on the geometry of that curve out there there's also a lot of other infrastructure that would need to be considered and installed in order to make the connection safe and to bring it up to the city standards but that said since the site review hearing with planning board we've been able to talk with our colleagues in transportation in a bit more detail and they agree that it's also a very desirable connection we're going to go ahead and design the treatment and determine what components are going to be required and what the cost would be at a minimum we believe that we'll need some curve and gutter extension on the interior of the curve we'll also need to reduce some of the on-street parking that's out there on the curve in order to create more adequate sight lines between

[180:00] pedestrians and oncoming traffic the biggest unknown is whether or not these improvements can be constructed without actually having to upgrade drainage inlets and piping so if the improvements can be constructed without the more expensive drainage improvements then we're hopeful that we can actually construct these improvements in coordination with the affordable housing development at the same time if not then we'd anticipate prioritizing these improvements alongside other intersection improvements in town through the cip um either way we agree it's a valuable connection we're going to continue to explore but our hope is that we'll be able to make some type of connection out there that won't require those more expensive drainage improvements and do it alongside of the actual development itself yeah charles that's great to hear i really appreciate that you all have already looked into that and so i just encourage you if they're if they're if it's kind of on the edge of needing those very expensive improvements but you can change the design a little bit to find a way because if there's a

[181:00] desire line people will probably take it whether or not there's uh the curb cut there this would be great to have the safest version of it thanks so much thank you aaron rachel and then mary rachel um i agree with aaron on that last point and one of the reasons that i think we all agreed to have tabs start looking at these um kind of before they get to this stage i assume that this project was after we made that or had already you know been too far underway when we made that recommendation but i did just want to ask like is that happening is tab being invited to weigh in on planning projects jacob i don't know if you wanted to touch on this but we're just starting to have those conversations how we want to engage planning board tab as well as the design advisory board about the mutual review of concept plan applications actually think we're going to be having that conversation with planning board um under matters this thursday night thank you charles i'll just briefly address that that was identified by council as one of the the priority projects that you'd like us to work on

[182:00] during the midterm retreat and we are coordinating with planning board to understand how both design advisory board as well as transportation advisory board can can coordinate in regards to concept plan review um so that is something that is ongoing and we will be bringing forward recommendations shortly okay thanks for the update and then just one other kind of broad question since it seems like we're we're just you know i don't know knocking it out of the park tonight with random um considerations but we don't get a lot of projects that are going to be um owned affordable housing and um here's another one where i think we have 100 units of rentals and i think there's some some desire and i understand there's a you know the state law that that impacts a developer's desire to build um condos rather than apartments but is there anything we could be doing differently as a city to produce more opportunities for people to begin building wealth through ownership

[183:04] i'm gonna put that to jacob because i see him sitting there with a look like why did she ask that thank you rachel um well you know affordable housing is the intersection of nearly every planning issue and i appreciate you bringing up the question um the answer is that yes we can always do more and there are a number of ongoing efforts including our own coordination with boulder housing partners if council would like us to look more specifically into matters related to how we facilitate affordable housing and ownership specifically we'd be happy to explore it um but with that said um we have a number of projects that are coming forward ownership related and most of them are through our partnerships with boulder housing partners so if council has an additional wish for us we'd be happy to explore thanks for the update i'm mary yeah thanks sam um i have a question regarding the initial point that staff was concerned about putting this curb cut in there if i'm visualizing that area correctly

[184:02] the um the connection would happen kind of from the apex of the interior part of the curve to the outer apex of the curb so it's kind of going at a diagonal is that correct is that kind of how it it functions so it's a so it would make a long connection i think we would probably work with our transportation engineers to determine what the what the safest and most direct design would be i wouldn't be able to say off the top of my head what the ultimate design would be tonight mary well and the reason i'm asking is because i i guess i would i would continue to advocate for a safe connection and i'm sure that y'all are going to do that but if that was the initial concern um for rational for not doing so um that

[185:00] whatever we do is the most um provides the safety that we need and that that at that point so um yeah thank you that's all i have thank you mary so i guess um we've we've worked that over so does anyone have any desire to call this up all right seeing none then it is 905 we're about to enter our um public hearings so i would suggest a short break but i'll wait until we hear from bob i just after our break i just want to do a quick time check i know that we set up the retreat that we would try to do a an agenda check around nine o'clock and that we would try to keep our meetings to no later than 10 30 if at all possible i'd like to make a proposal and see what the will of council is we've still has have ahead of us forcing commissions which we have to do tonight which will probably take us i know it's scheduled for 90 minutes but it will probably take us at least 60 minutes

[186:01] and then i suspect we'll have a relatively robust discussion around uh crime and crime prevention uh downtown on the hill that we started earlier this evening i'm going to suggest that we move micro mobility off i don't think it's super time sensitive i would apologize to staff who stuck around to make that presentation but i think if we try to do micro mobility and boards and commissions and the crime discussion we're probably going to be pushing midnight okay well thanks for that um i think you're right in your assessment um i'm also willing to do the will of counsel um i to me at six one half dozen the other it won't be trivial to reschedule um but just looking ahead at the um scheduling issue it may move off by more than just two weeks i'll just say that mark i would agree with bob i'd like to reschedule and maybe get out by 11 30. it'll be a nice goal

[187:00] great um so i will turn to staff and see maybe chris or charles um or erica what your thoughts are on how you might want to do this yeah i'll look to erica on behalf of the team so um from the transportation side of things um would certainly you know totally understand council wanting to get out for a reasonable hour and so on the only thing that we would ask is that the item be scheduled prior to when we're scheduled to launch a program because we can't do that um we have an rfp out currently and there's a little bit of a timing issue so if we could get it at the next council meeting um we would appreciate that opportunity well thank you i i'm sure we would all appreciate that um however i will just point out that unless the tribal consultation moves off then

[188:02] both of the major items on the next agenda are time sensitive and substantial and that meeting currently clocks in at 4 35 4 and a half hours so uh erica to your point i don't believe that we would be able necessarily just to drop that in at the next available council meeting which would hold uh i have that right okay that right let me double check yeah i think i've got that right so um and then as we look beyond to april 20th that is a four and a half hour meeting i'm looking to see just what we could move off of that um oh library district so and cu south so i'm just pointing out if we make this decision um we will definitely run into the challenge that erica has pointed out it won't be easy to move to the next

[189:02] available meeting rachel um i'm willing to stay up a little late i have really high hopes that we are just gonna like you know blaze through boards and commissions and you know get to those unanimous votes that we talked about at the outset so i i would vote that we we stick stay the course and and be efficient uh i can't tell hang on just one second so i get it right i got bob first thing aaron what's the scheduling suggestion i'm looking at april 13th which i know it currently is a study session but it's a relatively short study session of two and a half hours we have in the past been known to convert study sessions to either either fully to meetings or having a split night or a part study session for a meeting so if this is something we can handle and call it 60 minutes perhaps we could put it on for april 13th and that would meet erica's timetable i appreciate that suggestion bob aaron yeah i would put it off i like bob's suggestion but i would also say let's

[190:00] call the question so we don't spend 45 minutes talking about whether to postpone this barry oh mary's hand disappeared back up all right just call the question okay we'll just call the question um i would support april i'm not april sorry rachel i would support rachel's point except that i i believe bob's suggestion takes me off for that so all those in favor of putting this off raise your hand one two three four five six we have a majority so and um chris at cac let's discuss the suggestion about the study session that sounds good we'll bring forward a proposal okay with that um let's take a five minute break it is now 9 10. let's see you back here at 9 15 and we will start with boards and commissions at that point um again apologies to transportation staff

[191:02] for putting you off and i'd send your emails to bob see you guys in a bit

[196:32] so here we are back again i'm a minute late adam i expect i'll have to put a nickel in your jar when i get the chance let's see i'm pulling up all my materials so alicia i think we're ready to move on to the next item all right and we are on the public hearing 5b motion to approve the 2021 annual board and

[197:01] commission appointments and we do have a slides available for your assistance super if you want to go ahead and pull that up that would be fantastic and these slides seem to have almost everything in them yes they do when our first board that we are to wanting to address and appoint is the arts commission taylor's the fourth slide thank you before we get going on that um mary young had requested that uh she'd be given a little moment to speak before we get going on boards in commission mary thanks sam um i just wanted to before we get going on appointments and to just let all the folks that will be appointed tonight just know that um

[198:00] you will be appointed as public officials and as public officials you will have certain responsibilities such as you will be held to a different standard and so that you have to behave a little differently than you do without having a public official title your personal agendas and activism need to be checked at the door and when you are at a public meeting you are doing the city's service and you have to keep the whole city in mind um and so i just your your your duty is to be impartial when you are in service to the city so i just wanted to remind anyone who gets a point of that i'm hoping that that is stressed during

[199:00] the onboarding but i think that you all should know that you will be um serving as a public official and will be held to a different standard so with that um we can begin thanksgiving thank you mary and i would like to just review what i think is going to be our process i'm certain i will trip up because i always do um but let's just make sure we're clear before we get started on each of the boards um often we'll have more than one term to a point sometimes just one but when there's more than one our process in the past have been to start with the longer terms so work down from the five years to the four years of the three years if they're filling a vacant term so first anyone who has an objection to doing that and then what we normally do is we say we're doing the first five-year

[200:01] term we ask for nominations uh we speak to them we have a vote and then once that person is appointed to that term we go to the next term take nominations and if there was somebody who was nominated for the first seat and they didn't get appointed the first time they can be renominated to the second seat and then the last little bit of trivia that i recall from doing this is that we either go forward alphabetical or reverse alphabetical when we take our votes and the first one of those whether it's forward or reverse alphabetical is determined by coin flip by the city clerk so and she's got her coin all right alicia thank you so that's my recollection of our process if anyone has questions or comments now's the time rachel well since since we cut out that other hearing i i don't feel as pressured to to keep us

[201:01] super efficient here so i'm gonna ask questions can i reserve the right to ask us to switch the order or to at least bear in mind like if there's a board where i'm really passionately hoping that somebody will get say the shorter seat but i want to make sure that they get ac how do i bring that up if the five-year term is getting appointed but i think they're better for the four but i want to make sure that that they're appointed one way or the other sort of like could i make a an appeal to to do the short term first um we typically we typically wouldn't do the short term first what's happened in the past it's suddenly at the council of course is that we make all those kind of disclosures and and advocacy at the beginning and then we go through the list but i'm it's flexible council can do whatever it wants and i think that those are going to be situations where they're reappointments likely because that's who's you know more right for the short short terms in some situations so that's my concern is that you know people bear that in mind that the short-term person might be your kind

[202:01] of uh highest concern appointment and i don't know how to best address them we can speak to it and i think we're going to default to the longest to shortest unless we decide differently there are rules so we can always change them i see bob and then junior yeah i'll just make a suggestion to rachel then i did have a quick question on my own rachel i think maybe what one might do in that situation the situation you summarize is you might nominate the person for the longer term and then when you speak to that person say listen i actually really want this person for short term so um if they don't get this longer term which i'm actually not advocating for i just want to put a placeholder in there that i'm going to seek to renominate the person for the shorter term and i think that least signals to counsel your desire but you can do it as you want as you want um the um the question i had is really kind of a process question we've got this wonderful slide and slide presentation in front of us which we also all received which is really really helpful but there's not going to be probably any room for us to see where

[203:00] the nominations are because i know when we're in chambers um we have um our um our clerk's office actually type type the names as they come up and if we have four or five nominations i don't know if we're all just going to keep track on pieces of paper by our desk or how we're going to do that well i don't think that's one that we had um weighed in on before so um one option is keep track of the nominees yourself the other would be to try and have another screen shared where somebody is keeping track of that so bob would you like us to turn to taylor and see if taylor can support us with that yeah that'd be my suggestion is that somebody support us with that i don't know if we can share two screens at the same time or if we if we want to take if that's possible that'd be great if not maybe we can take down the slide deck if we all have access to it and we could share the screen with the names of the nominees um sam if i can lay in with a technical

[204:00] option sure please um taylor you may be able to annotate on your shared screen um if you look at the green menu at the top the view options at the top of your screen um it may have an annotation option and then you could use like a drawing tool to circle the folks who've been nominated or or if you could simply just highlight the names from the slide yeah that'd be great highlighting would be fantastic we probably couldn't keep it in presentation mode but i could do that yeah you would not be able to keep it in presentation mode that's absolutely correct yeah the um the one i was talking about was a is a zoom tool um so you might be able to keep it in presentation mode as well as the zoom tool annotate is it under more

[205:00] um it would be up under view options see where the green bar is that says that you're sharing your screen on the screen it says view options if you click there there may be a um annotation option okay one second i say may because since i'm not the one sharing i don't see one and because we know zoom is a new beast every day um i'm not yeah i'm not seeing view options on my side so so taylor just to fall back to a more crude approach not as elegant if you wanted to share but not in presentation mode then you could highlight okay okay so i'll highlight folks as they are um voted on and appointed as they're nominated in this case i think and then yeah appointed okay

[206:02] any uh uh bob so does that meet your request yeah just so the council can see at a glance who we're nominating who we're voting on yeah thanks jenny my question is if you want to nominate two people from the same for the same board of commission normally you can only nominate one for a given seat you could nominate one and say i'm gonna nominate this other person for the next seat that comes up but presumably you'll vote for the person you nominate and so you can only nominate one for one seat one per seat so if there's three seats you can nominate three people you can but we're going to do it on a buy seat basis so if you've got three people you want to nominate you pick one to nominate for the first one to nominate for the second and one to nominate for the third thank you i got

[207:00] it thank you and you can always tell us this isn't super formal you can always say i'm going to nominate three and this is the one i'm going to put up first okay if taylor runs into any issues i can you know keep track as well with my share screen so just keep me posted that would be great we'll turn to you if there's any um mistakes as we're going along taylor are you ready i am thank you super well if you want to share your screen for arts we can get going with that um i believe we have three seats to a point for arts we have a five two five years and a four year and so putting the first five year term up i would turn the council for nominations

[208:00] uh junie yes i would like to nominate ebony freeman and the reason why i would like to nominate her is based on her list if it's okay we normally get nominations done and then come back and speak to them if that's okay so we've got ebony nominated um would anyone like to nominate anyone else for the first five-year term seeing none back to you juni tell us why thank you well i would like to nominate ebony freeman based on her life experience as a young person living with disability people with disability have an important role to play in defining or redefining how art is used as a depiction of everyday life during her interview she mentioned three community goals which i believe are at the heart of what we do as a city

[209:00] her three goals were driving amazing experiences lifting ourselves in others and leading with respect all under the umbrella of expending what it means to be a member of the arts community she is vibrant she uses artistry as a self-published author podcast producer and someone with volunteering experience as a logistic assistant at the denver design week thank you juni um so seeing that we've had no one else nominated for this seat i'm going to say that um ebony freeman is selected by acclimation someone tell me if you have any objections to that i'm going to run it this way unless i'm hearing objections okay unanimously ebony freeman is appointed to the first five-year term for the arts commission and now we will take nominations for the second five-year term for arts

[210:00] erin uh yeah i'd like to uh nominate uh jency campbell very good uh anyone else for this seat uh mary i'd like to nominate maria cole thank you and juni i see your hands still up so do you want to nominate one here yes okay i'd like to nominate alan washi alan ohashi okay very good so we have three so far um i'm not seeing anyone else so we've got jancey campbell alan ohashi and maria cole is that correct i was wondering if if if taylor could highlight those those three names maybe in a different color than ebony since we already voted on ebony

[211:00] you know orange or blue or something oh okay there you go that way we can kind of vote on them thanks taylor okay and with that um alicia i'll ask that you flip your coin and determine whether the first one is going alphabetical or reverse alphabetical i'll call it if it's heads we'll go alphabetical tails will go reverse alphabetical all right here's the official flip it is tails tails so we're going to go reverse alphabetical so i believe we'll start alan ohashi then maria cole and jancy campbell um but before we go to the vote would people like to speak for those they've nominated so i believe that jnc was the first one nominated aaron yeah well gen c has extremely rich and

[212:01] deep experience in our community in many many different organizations and boards uh including a lot of time historic boulder but the list of the organizations is too long for me to uh go through right now so i just think she could bring that rich experience in the community and with the creative industries uh to bear on helping our arts community here on the arts commission great and mary from maria yeah i really liked um what maria's response was to the question about what community goals would she advance as an arts commissioner and she talked about supporting the growth of multiculturalism and seeking opportunities to mentor especially younger people as well as having greater representation in the arts so

[213:01] for those reasons i i nominated maria okay good thank you and juni thank you i would like to nominate alan because of his expensive experience as an artist author and his thoughtful responses on how to incorporate and make artists part of the creative economy and play in a place like boulder where community members value art mr allen's perspective of having artists as economic development targets is brilliant far too long we fawn over art while the artist is often destitute living paycheck to paycheck and not being able to pay rent mr allen's contribution might be and helping the board tackling that disconnect and also i just wanted to remind that as as a council we've

[214:00] we've asked people to keep coming back and mr allen was last year he came and i don't think he did get into any boards but he came back again he keep applying so i think we value persistence and we have to reward it as well thank you juni and then two more points i'll make first of all anyone can speak um so the nomin nominators normally speak first so now anyone can speak and when we do our votes in this case we have three um to be appointed someone has to have a majority so if we don't have a majority the lowest vote getter will drop off and if we have a tie we have to dicker so um with that i don't see any new hands up i just wanted to put out there a point of information and maybe this is a question to folks um for what it's worth i believe allen has served on other boards for the city of boulder as well so just

[215:02] i believe he was on planning board at least and i think at least one other so okay with that said i think we're ready to vote and we said reverse alphabetical so we will start with alan ohashi all in favor of alan ohashi for the five year seat on the arts commission i see one very good maria cole raise your hand one two three four five okay that's a majority so we will just stop there uh maria cole gets the um second five-year term and so now we are to the last one which is a four-year term and we'll open nominations i still see aaron and mary's hand up i don't know if those are old but i see junies which i know is new juni can allen be renominated yep absolutely thank you nominate him very good bob

[216:01] i nominate caroline kurt very good and mark i'm going to resubmit jancey um although i like caroline as well but i'm going to resubmit chances okay very good um so juni you spoke about alan anything else you'd like to say no i just wanted to reiterate again i've only been on council a year and a half in my experience has seen his persistency so and i see as well that he would contribute greatly to the to the board to the arts commission thank you very much bob carolyn i'll just say two things about carol first of all i'll say we have we have a absolute wealth of applicants here um just absolutely fantastic there's lots more people we could appoint and unfortunately we're limited to three um with caroline i was prickly impressed by two things first of all she um we have we have artists oftentimes on the arts

[217:00] commission but she's actually in the business of art she's a lawyer who represents artists and other people in the creative industry and i think that business perspective um will really serve well on the arts commission especially since a lot of what they do is working with small businesses and making grants and so i think that she's going to be sensitive to some of the issues uh that they deal with since she actually represents them and and then second i was just super impressed by her answer to mark's question when mark asked you know where to put our money in infrastructure or programs and she had the courage to most uh responders said both and she had courage to say you know what um our artists were devastated by covet as we heard in the declaration at the beginning of tonight's meeting our artists were decimated by um by um by covid and we really need to spend our funding on programs i actually agree with that answer but i also admire her courage and actually picking one of the two choices that mark offered first thanks very much and um i think uh mark you renominated chancy so i'll go to you next yeah i i i i very much like carolyn kurt

[218:03] but i also like jensey very much i think she's got a very uh extensive background um uh as a former president of historic boulder um a board member of the boulder history museum and um a political background as well which can sometimes come in very handy so i thought she was uh an excellent candidate and so that's why i'm putting her up for uh for nomination mark we've got aaron and rachel aaron uh well just say with bob that we can't go wrong here and like i'm excited to have maria call joining the commission as well uh carolyn kurt woody an excellent addition um i did find uh i thought judy made a really good case for um for allen's uh virtues and um he's a neighbor of mine actually so i think i'm probably gonna go ahead and support allen in the third round yeah um what aaron just said i i am i think we should mean what we say and if we say

[219:02] keep coming back and it improves your chances i think that if you come back um that should be meaningful and just an fyi um to junior and others i have asked staff to start tracking this going forward so we can actually see like for those of us only been on here a year i don't know who applied two years ago and three years ago and four years ago so it's hard to i think that if we make that assertion it should mean something to us it should mean something to applicants so i will also support alan for that reason because he's a good and qualified candidate not just for that reason mary yeah um i believe the other board that alan has served on is the arts commission oh okay thank you um and then i will call myself i am going to support carolyn i thought one of the aside from other virtues that people have spoken about i thought that she brings a perspective i haven't heard yet in the time i've been appointing folks to boards uh particularly this board of

[220:02] burning man and fringe festival which are totally participatory totally different uh i can't remember somebody citing either one of those in their applications so maybe the french festival once and so i thought it was a fresh perspective and i think since we're expanding the board it's a great time to put a fresh perspective on so anyone else okay with that i think let's see we had acclimation we did reverse so this will be alphabetical and i believe that's yancy campbell first so all in favor of jancey raise your hand we've got one and then alan o'hashe raise your hand uh sam i believe carolyn kurt would be next by oh ohashi you're right you're right sorry carolyn kurt raise your hand so one two three four okay great and then alan our hashi

[221:03] one two three four okay very good that means that um jancey will drop off and we will flip the order and we'll do uh reverse alphabetical which i believe means we start with i get that right or am i going backwards that's right alan ohashi all in favor of alan for and all in favor of caroline and that is five okay well so that means caroline gets the four-year term and i will echo what everyone else said this board had fantastic applicants it was an expansion and we had a ton we'll be saying it a lot throughout the evening whether or not persistence gets rewarded we appreciate everyone who applies and um so we we do appreciate the time it takes for you to apply and we look forward to these three new members on our arts

[222:00] commission very good all right that one was meaty and then i think we're ready for zaboza boza we've got two seats um that were appointing a five year and a three year and bob i see your hand like to nominate nikki mccord excellent and so any other nominations for the five-year term awesome bob do you want to speak well i had the pleasure of serving for three years with nikki on the boulder housing partners board um nikki always came prepared to her to the meeting she was always smart she was always relevant and i just think i'm glad that she's willing to serve um the city of the community again and and i think she'll do a great job as good a job if not better on boza as she did for many years on boulder house partners thank you aaron yeah thanks for that nomination bob you

[223:00] know a number of us uh were on the campaign trail with nikki a year and a half ago um and i was very impressed by her intelligence um and her sharp wittedness and her articulateness and i think her uh her good judgment will be well well brought to bear on bozo thank you aaron uh anyone else want to speak okay seeing no other nominations for the five-year term nikki mccord will get the five-year term on boza and that brings us to the three-year term uh erin is a new hand up uh it wasn't but i'm happy to make a nomination go for it i'll nominate marine chauvin very good thank you anyone else okay seeing no one else aaron would you like to speak to maureen well first let me say a very large thank you to jill lester for her extremely able five years of service on on the board and by not nominating her for reappointment that is

[224:00] in no way a reflection of the quality of the work that she has done but simply that um with other qualified applicants and a full five-year term served i think it's it's time to let other people have a crack at it um and do their time on service uh and then i think uh maureen is an extremely qualified candidate i've uh seen her at work some professionally i thought she had excellent answers i think she could do a very able job either here or on dab um but i'll take her for here i think she'll be phenomenal okay super um seeing no one else nominated i think that means marine um gets the three-year term and i will just remind us sorry i didn't do this the beginning that there will be a public hearing so these appointments that we're making right now are not final until we vote to ratify the appointments so we're going through and we'll take public testimony at the end of our initial selections and so we'll hear from the

[225:00] public about that all right cannabis licensing advisory board um aaron i see a hand up but i can't tell if that's been okay now it's down yeah i don't want to hug all the appointments all the time okay great we have two um folks to appoint to the cannabis licensing board a five-year term and a four-year term we'll start with the five-year term and i got mark adam and rachel mark yeah i'm going to uh nominate robin noble thank you any other nominations for the five-year term rachel just didn't get my hand down quick enough okay super so with that i see no other nominations for the five year term mark would you like to speak i just thought she was but she was a very very strong candidate has a good background and experience with these issues um and she has experienced family impacts

[226:02] from some of these issues and she has a good focus i think on underage use and i was thoroughly impressed with her thank you mark mary i saw your hand go up and come down did i miss something i'm good okay great well with that i think uh by acclimation robin noble will get the five-year term which brings us to the four-year term and taking nominations for that mary yes i would like to nominate um stacy greene um i think that her oh we wanted to see any other nominations for the four-year term great seeing none go for it mary yeah i think that her background um as a medical professional who actually

[227:01] prescribes marijuana would make a great contribution and i think that her experience also as a mom brings a particular perspective that will i think harmonize with the other people on the board and i hope that her perspective brings robust conversations to already robust conversations to the board great thank you mary and i'm going to jump in and second that um i will note that the person one of the people coming off of the board is someone that i was supportive of because they had experience with medical marijuana and i think stacy green brings a whole bunch of things to the table here one of which is experience with that one of which is addiction counseling and then finally her personal situation being a mother so

[228:01] i think that's a great nomination um thanks and i see no other nominations so stacy green will get the four-year term again thanks to everyone for applying much appreciated all right design advisory board um we have two terms a five-year term and a four-year term so who would like to make a nomination all right seeing no nominations i am going to nominate matthew shek schneider for the five year term and then mark i see your hand up no i would you just beat me to it i was gonna also nominate matthew okay great well i thought his answers were excellent um we uh are having the design advisory board step up into a more active role with the planning board and i think his two years of

[229:01] experience plus his professional background makes him a really good selection for another five years on that so seeing no one else nominated matthew will get the five-year term and then we're looking for a nomination for the four-year term mark your hand's still up you got a nomination i do but i don't want to hog it and i forgot to put my hand down i i did the last one you can do this one i'm going to uh nominate brendan ash very good brendan has been nominated for the four-year term any other nominations seeing none mark would you like to speak to brendan well um brendan as an architect uh obviously has architectural experience worked on some prominent projects i thought uh brandon was highly qualified um and uh it doesn't go much deeper than that i

[230:00] just thought the qualifications were there and the answers were good and um nominee excellent well with that seeing no other nominations brendan will get the four-year term on design advisory board downtown management commission uh taking nominations bob the nominee for the five year term i nominate stephanie trees thank you anyone else for the five-year term i forgot to say we have a five-year term in a four-year term on the dmc stephanie's been nominated for the five year seeing no others bob would you like to speak yeah i mean stephanie's the kind of candidate i think we like to see on our board she's a young mother um as a growing small and but growing business downtown and i think she's exactly what we need on many of our boards and commissions but particularly on our downtime management commission okay good thank you seeing no other nominees um stephanie will get the five-year term and i'm

[231:01] going to call myself and i'm going to nominate ed byrne for the four-year term would anyone else like to make a nomination i have a question sam if i may please seat five is does that require a property representative and do both of our remaining candidates qualify under that restriction that is a very good question i i do not know the answer to that question so we'll have to pull pull up the packet and look briefly and did stephanie qualify for that seat if neither of these did stephanie might that is another you know property representative is very specific as opposed to a business owner right because property representative would imply the building owner i think i'm not gonna i'm gonna i'm pretty sure that stephanie is um a tenant in a um in

[232:02] a space i don't believe that she's a property manager got it i am just getting to the package i know in don po's um uh materials he said he was a property owner uh but i don't know uh if he needs any specific and i don't know whether ed byrne is or is not there this is debbie i was just i received an email from ed byrne that said um he's not a property representative but if he were he would give himself permission [Laughter] and so if ed is not let's see if don po is to someone has someone check that out to see if don is a property owner or representative i'm looking right now i think in his materials he represented that he was

[233:03] i'm looking to see if i can find how he stated that yes he is he's um people productions yeah he's fine but but just a quick question just quick question uh i think property owner technically means the business owner i mean sorry the building owner or the property owner is that correct bob do you have your hand up on this okay left over let me just look i'm gonna have a quick look at um i own the property okay he he does say that specifically okay very good so i think that makes it clear um what we are obligated to do here so ed um apologies you are very persistent and i am sorry that we didn't do this but don also interviewed extremely well so i think we were going to be well served by don as well so i believe that unless other council

[234:02] members have input into this i believe that don is the one that we need to appoint here okay very good thanks for catching that all right environmental advisory board we have one appointment and would anyone like to make a nomination all right i don't see any hands there's aaron aaron um i'll nominate uh air nonviolent nueva very that's why i was going to nominate very good i will nominate paul coleman and aaron anyone else any other nominations for this board seeing none aaron well i i thought uh ernan and he he does identify himself as aaron not carlos he said in his interview i

[235:00] thought his answers were great um he had some particularly good ideas he was promoting net zero housing energy efficiency loans um i thought he had a really good answer about how we should look for policies that are reproducible so that they could be done by other cities like commerce city or longmont and um he also in his other interview talked about his experience uh growing up in a in a neighborhood in peru which i thought would give him an interesting diversity of um lived experience that could uh be well served uh serve the community well on the sport very good and i will speak to paul i've known paul for a while um we worked on the mini effort but i got to know paul as part of that and he is a very well educated person on all things environmental particularly climate change and all aspects of that not just the utility side but also transportation and buildings so i thought paul would be an

[236:00] excellent um member of the eab so with that and if i could just say i mean paul is a very qualified candidate as well so i don't think we can go wrong here great and i'll reflect that ernan is as well i thought both of them had good interviews adam i just want to point out that ernan he did apply last year as well to several boards i seem to remember so this is another case of i think i'll be voting for him because of his persistence uh and his qualification very good okay with that i think we're back to reverse alphabetical um so we will start with ernan all in favor of hernan please raise your hand one two three four five six seven so i think that does it hernan is appointing to the eab

[237:09] awesome housing advisory board we have one five-year term here would someone like to make a nomination aaron i won't hug all of them i promise but i will go ahead and nominate michael chasey thank you any other nominations for have all right i see none aaron well i've known michael for a long time he has a long history in the community and his uh experience is very relevant he's been the head of the urban land institute chapter in the area for a number of years and has also participated in a lot of local initiatives um you bring a depth of experience with housing and transportation and land use issues that i think would serve have very well especially in these early years as as

[238:02] their mission is still being defined very good and i'll just jump in briefly and say i think michael has a lot to bring to this board his uli experience and background among other many accomplishments so um i think we're going to be well served uh so michael lechesey is our nominee for the five year term on the housing advisory board all right housing authority boulder housing partners so um we have three appointments to make here and uh there are if i read this correctly there are two five-year terms in the three-year term is that correct alicia superb so we'll do it awesome we'll do the five to five and the three and i see aaron you're first again

[239:00] oh leftover mary thanks sam um so this is is this still a mayoral appointment i technically of course it is a mayoral appointment that we always um have everyone weigh in and the mayor as long as i've been on council the mayor's performed the will of council um and for what it's worth i have spoken to jeremy um durham the head of older housing partners so i'm going to pass along his thoughts as well once we get going adam i see your hand yeah i wanted to nominate michael black um i thought he gave a great interview and not only does he have that unique perspective from um being part of the shelter for so long but he also seemed very open to just the general uh mission of the housing authority um so he wasn't

[240:01] just bringing only his very personal perspective he was open to all thoughts and ideas surrounding the housing authority's mission and i was pretty impressed by that okay thank you um mary yeah i wanted to nominate ann cooper um and cooper um has been in boulder for a long long long long time like 34 years and she unfortunately was not able to make her interview the last week however i spoke with her today and she's still interested and we had a little chat and one of the things i learned is that she's really interested in serving and one of her reasons is because she grew up in public housing and as someone who benefited um she feels that her service on this board would be very um important to her and that she could

[241:01] bring that important voice to the table thank you mary and i'm gonna interject here before we go any further and um give some of jeremy's feedback it's quite appropriate because two of jeremy's top folks that we discussed were the two that have been nominated so far so um for michael block largely because of his experience with um the operations of the boulder shelter for the homeless he's got a super deep background and not only that but housing in general and then with ann cooper all the reasons that mary mentioned were things that jeremy said as well and um jeremy had led with anne as um the person that he most wanted to see so um we do have two five year terms so we can do them one at a time but i will turn to others i see aaron and bob aaron

[242:01] aaron your mute i lowered my hand and i thought that would let me start talking um so i'm a big fan of michael and and uh and i'm excited to hopefully have a chance to vote for both of them tonight um i'll just mention i i first met ann about 12 years ago in a meeting about uh how to to get the north boulder library branch built and a meeting that lisa morsell was at as well and had been impressed with her then and at every interaction i've had since and uh also for her um unique background um as mary talked about and also her experience in real estate so i'll i'll start with uh in this time around i look forward to voting for michael next round awesome thank you aaron bob i'll just pick up where aaron left off if there's no objection from council i'd like to suggest that we by acclimation pick michael and ann for the two five-year terms and then we can go to nominations for the three-year term i think that's great let me call on rachel real quick just to say that um i don't know anne

[243:01] and didn't get any communication from her and everybody who was a no show i pretty much dropped off my list of considerations so for me there's a little equity consideration of like i don't know somebody from 12 years ago or other people might and so and she may be a that sounds like she's a phenomenal candidate but i'm not going to vote for her just because i don't have the information to go on okay great um yeah she did no show i did get a letter from her an email from her asking to speak uh so um i'm gonna be supporting each of them for a five year term going forward but we have juni and then mark junie thank you i do agree with rachel um when someone doesn't show up to an interview it makes it really hard to get a sense of who they are um but of course her application is there as well i am voting for her as a mem someone who's on the liaison for council and

[244:01] also getting the feedback from um jeremy in the fact that she has the real estate expertise which is which will be helpful to the work of boulder housing partner so because of that i will vote for her but typically i usually don't vote for people who don't show up to me to to the interviews but of course there there were reasons why um but i will be voting for her tonight thank you genie mark yeah i'm a little uncomfortable doing this by acclimation if we're going to open it up that way i i would prefer to make my nomination for a five-year seat which would be pam gibson um so great just for what it's worth mark i agree with you we heard one person who wasn't comfortable with one of the suggestions that bob made so i i'm going to go through it one at a time for what it's worth um but you can go

[245:01] ahead and um say your piece and then we'll walk through one at a time yeah i i think pam is extraordinarily well qualified um she's formerly on staff at bhp she has an extremely detailed background she has experience in county affordable housing issues she's got familiarity with the kinds of programs that bhp actually runs and the methodologies by which they finance their their projects um i thought she was exceptional um so i would i i would be taking the nomination of um and cooper kind of on faith because she did not she was not able to make it and i'm i'm really unable to form that judgment it's not that i would have a negative judgment i just can't make the judgment to um to elevate her over you know pam and

[246:02] michael block excellent so let's let's begin kind of in regular order then we had michael nominated first and um so i will start with the five year term first one seat one we have a nomination of michael block for that seat does someone want to nominate ann or pam for seat number one and adam i see your hand up i can't tell who's old or new anymore but adam what would you like to say anything nope nope i thought mary already nominated anne she so mary how would you like to handle that would you like to nominate ann along with michael for the five-year term i can nominate her for the second five-year term okay and mark would you like to nominate pam against michael for the first five-year term no michael was my other candidate so i'm happy to support michael okay so then i'm going to say michael's been

[247:00] nominated for the first five-year term and i'm going to say that's an acclimation does anyone object hearing no objections michael will get the um first five-year term seat one so now we will talk about the second five-year term which is seat seven and then mary i'll turn to you do you want to nominate in first seven i will nominate anne for seat seven very good and mark i assume you're going to nominate pam for the five year term seat seven yes i am okay super we've heard both of you speak i would invite anyone else who would like to speak on either ann or pam for the five year term great seeing none i will pipe up and i will say that um like i said jeremy um listed anne as the person that he most wanted to see talked about her lived experience as well as her real estate

[248:01] expertise and experience i will also say that a couple of the other people that jeremy mentioned to me were pam gibson and kimberly lord so um i'll just say that we've got those are the just giving you my disclosure of what jeremy had spoken to me about so i think the appropriate thing to do next is to vote on seat seven and i believe we are in reverse alphabetical now is that correct yeah no sir we're in alphabetical we just okay super so voting for seat seven the five year term starting with ann cooper all who would like ann cooper to the five year term raise your hand one two three four five six that's six so ann will get seat seven and now we will open up seat five for nominations uh mark i'll turn to you do you wanna nominate pam for seat seven

[249:01] yes i'm going to do that again aaron uh i'll nominate kimberly lord super and just because we're starting fresh mark would you like to speak to pam again um i have nothing really new to say um other than a personal reaction which is one of the few candidates for any board where i scribbled down after the interview to me it was a no-brainer um obviously that's just personal opinion uh i just think she is extremely well credentialed um and was very composed at the interview and has the background that uh would be really appropriate for this highly technical position super thank you mark and erin yeah i'll just say i thought pam interviewed well and i was impressed by her professional background in in the housing um including bhp uh i mean kim lord um you know she's been around for a while she's a real estate attorney so she has uh industry

[250:00] expertise as well uh is she said that she's looking for her chance to give back to the community i really liked what she said about um uniting uh bhp residents uh and local other local residents um you know with common activities interests and gatherings and i do happen to know that she lives fairly close to um bhp's headquarters and a number of their properties i think should be a great representative on board excellent would anyone else like to speak on this great seeing none now i'm pretty sure we're reverse alphabetical um so let's see the thumbs up alicia thank you we'll start with kimberly lord all in favor of kimberly lord for the three-year seat one two three four five six okay it will be kimberly for the three-year term and um great candidates for this board this

[251:01] year um so appreciate all of you for applying okay human relations commission hrc juni thank you i would like to nominate christine chen because of her work oh well i'd like to nominate christine chen perfect anyone else for the single five-year term any other nominations great seeing none go for it juni thank you i would like to nominate christine chen because of her work in public policy and consulting i believe that experience will serve the commission during her interview her answer about the most important aspect of constituent outreach was to listen and to present or offer all the sides or multiple sides of the issue

[252:00] i believe her take will help further balance hrc additionally her experience in the diversity and inclusion space will be of consequence to the commission she gave a concrete example of the diversity program she ushered at her children's school ultimately based on her interview and her application i believe miss chen is balanced and would be an asset to the commission thank you julie uh rachel yeah i just wanted to add that i appreciated during her interview she talked about leading people through discomfort and i think that is a lot of what hrc needs to do and i appreciated her perspective and i fully support her nomination as well excellent so seeing know others christine will get the five-year term on the human relations commission landmarks

[253:00] bob my nominee abby daniels very good any other nominations very good bob would you like to speak gabby we have two good candidates here but um abby um um has served very well already for a year or so uh maybe uh two on landmarks board and um before that she was ahead for many many years of the um as the executive director of historic boulder and um it just has the history of boulder flowing through ravine so so i can't think of a better qualified candidate for landmarks than abby excellent and i will i will reiterate all of that and i'll also say that she has served a short term and um many times the kind of unwritten rule is if you've done a short term and you've done your work then we tend to reappoint and so abby also ticks that box as well so um very good so abby will be

[254:01] uh get a five year term for landmarks very good library commission mark i'm going to nominate bedina durant excellent any other nominations okay seeing none mark background uh in government issues and public service i think she has a balanced view of how we should approach the library district question um i think she will be very even-handed and how she deals with it and um her background to me was entirely appropriate for this role awesome thanks very much

[255:00] uh seeing no other nominations nina by acclimation will get the five-year term open space board of trustees bob i nominate michelle estrella thank you nearby nearby i'm did you want to nominate someone sorry i had my uh sound off i had nominated peter jenkins peter jenkins okay super um bob well i had the great pleasure of serving with michelle for several years on the park sport back when i was in the park sport as a matter of fact i was the chair and michelle was the vice chair so we worked together not on the board but also on the agenda committee um michelle is always unprepared she always brings a balance to everything she does she listens to people very well and i think several of our boards we do try to

[256:00] achieve some balance with people of different perspectives i think michelle will bring to the open space board um the balance and her intelligence and her uh extensive knowledge of this of the city um through her prior service in the parks board and she's just a really nice person on top of that thank you bob nearby um i was nominating peter um just out of the four candidates he seemed like he had the most grasp of our open space i appreciated the questions he asked regarding use and i think it's something that we're really going to have to focus on so i think that he um looked like he was someone who is going to be able to tackle these difficult questions that our open space is going to be facing and so i would look forward to having him on the board excellent um anyone else rachel yeah i'll speak a little bit to michelle estrella's candidacy as well or bob's nomination um to me she was uh the most qualified candidate and had the

[257:00] best grasp of open space issues i would also add that um at least i i don't know if it comes into everybody's email box but i hear from people that open space is not necessarily a place that people of color feel welcomed on or at or equal participants at in boulder and having just passed the racial equity plan i think that we have an opportunity to appoint a an extremely qualified woman of color uh to an all-white board and um it would it would really um i think uh behoove us to appoint her thank you rachel anyone else okay sing none uh lisa i think we're reverse alphabetical or are we alphabetical alphabetical sir thank you very much so we'll start with michelle um everyone in favor of michelle australia for open space board four five six okay and for peter

[258:03] nearby so that's eight for michelle she will get the five-year term on osbt parks and recreation what we call sometimes the happy board would anyone and bob knows that because bob served on crab okay we've got mary and then aaron mary yeah i wanted to nominate i think her first name is sarah um cadlick yeah there it is catholic um i should should we just take the nomination and see if there's another yeah yeah yeah okay super and aaron i'll nominate elliot hood super okay mary uh sorry adam apologies adam

[259:00] yeah i wanted to nominate stephanie o'neil nearby and i wanted to nominate holly carlson very good okay so i think we started this with mary yeah um i really liked what sarah said about um maintaining a long-term vision as well as reaching out to people with mobility issues and bringing them into the fold of parks and rec so for that reason i nominated sarah and i'll be voting for her thank you and then aaron right uh yes name is aaron um you're next right right right uh so i'm nominating elliot hood uh i thought he had an excellent application and interviewed extremely well i thought it was articulate and and

[260:00] smart and i noticed his professional expertise is he's highly qualified and also serves on the colorado disability funding committee that's appointed by the governor which i thought would be a very relevant experience for access to our parks um and then also he just is a dad with a kid a young child so he's out there as a regular user of the parks um himself with his family so i thought it was just a great combination of experiences that would serve our park support well thank you aaron uh and then uh adam yeah i'll start by saying this was probably the hardest board for me to choose just one because everyone seemed very qualified and very excited to serve which is awesome so um thank you to all the candidates uh reason why i pick stephanie is because she's already a member of playboulder which is the fundraising organization that supports parks and rec so parks and rec is partially doing what it

[261:00] can do because of her uh so i thought that was pretty important and it's obvious she's already committed to the board um so i i think i would like to see that commitment on the board thank you adam and nearby um and i am nominating holly i liked her experience with her former city on parks and rec i believe it was and um just some of her youthful ideas of continuing on with bringing more activities uh for our youth so i think she would make a great addition and having spoken with a few of the board members as well they seemed excited about her okay very good and i see no other hands up here um elise alicia are we reverse alphabetical yes sir all right and so i think reverse alphabetical is actually from the bottom up as we're looking at them um so we will start who would like to see stephanie o'neill

[262:00] uh i see one two i see two for stephanie who would like to see sarah cadleck i see two for sarah who would like to see elliot hood that is four of us and who would like to see holly carlson that is one okay so i believe the way we do this is holly drops off and we run through it again this time in alphabetical order so we will start with elliot hood who would like elliott hood one two three four okay that's still four who would like sarah catholic that is two and who would like stephanie o'neil and that is two so four two and two so juni i think i missed you did you vote for one of these elliot i had my hands up for elliot okay

[263:00] so i'll i'll take the count again i only counted four but i think i missed you can we raise our hands again for elliot okay oops mine is out one two three four so i see nearby sam jooney and aaron and mark okay that's five for elliot so there we are apologies for missing you the first time juni elliott gets a five-year term on parks and rec okay planning board any nominations for planning okay seeing none so far i will nominate george boone bob i nominate rosie vivian very good any other nominations

[264:02] all right i will speak to george i thought george's background um would serve us well he's a developer so he understands the issues around land use and development that will come up and i think it's also good news that he doesn't do his development work in boulder so he will not have a conflict of interest that's not often a huge problem but sometimes on planning board it does become an issue for professionals who work locally it certainly becomes a challenge so i'll stop there and bob do you want to speak to rosie sure sure and i would invite others too as well because i may not do rosie justice but um rosie is um is an architect she owns her own business a woman a woman-owned business um and she specializes in affordable housing which obviously is an area of the greatest concern to us um across our issues uh and she came out across as a very genuine uh and uh positive person and i

[265:01] think um considering the fact that um we're losing a uh a professional off of the board right now with harman's retirement and actually lost a professional last year with uh brian bowen's retirement i think that we it's time for us to um replace them with a professional and architect in this case aaron that's twice i've been muted dang it um so no i i agree with uh the things that bob said um i'll say you know i'd i've actually known george a long time from before i moved to boulder um and he's a good guy i know his family uh so can vouch for his character in those ways um i i will be supporting rosie i was impressed by her professional background and her precise answers on specific kind of ideas uh around she spoke very well about adus and other things and i do feel like a design professional like that having a design profession like that on the board is very helpful when i was served on

[266:01] planning board i learned a great deal from the professional architects who are on that board and i feel like i was able to do a better job learning from them so i think it's extremely helpful to have somebody with that expertise on the board thank you rachel thanks um so i i agree that it's important to have professionals on this board um and especially as someone who doesn't come from the planning background i think i said this last year too but i'm pretty reliant or really look to the planning board to be the experts um and and help guide us and and have good recommendations so this is a board that i think is really important to have quality professionals um on and i understand george is also a professional but i think part of it is boulder code is so um convoluted and and confusing and there are issues that crop up so i think it's actually preferable to have someone who is a local practitioner i guess would just be my preference and

[267:00] then the last thing i'll say is i think um if we appoint rosie we have a chance to have a majority women planning board which is kind of cool you rachel junie rachel you just killed it for me because i i appreciate gender balance as well um but i just wanted to add i will be voting for rosie phibian tonight because her because of her answers uh she favors observing with careful consideration the use of adus she also talked about the saturation limits and her hands-on experience as an architect in her industry knowledge thank you juni mark yeah i'm going to be supporting george i i think having development experience is also important on the board um and i don't think anybody uh can be

[268:01] better versed in dealing with code provisions than somebody who's made a living dealing with code provisions so i'm going to i'm going to support george for this position uh adam mine is not a statement in support i actually have a question for the two people who nominated because this one i'm really honestly very torn um we have two very qualified candidates here who i would consider have very different views so my question to the two nomin nominators is uh what do you see is the balance of the board currently and why would you choose this person for the current balance with harman coming off um so i nominated george i i appreciate having folks who want development to be smart and well planned and so what i appreciated about george is his concern

[269:00] that we think about the impacts of the changes that we're going to make and so when you talk about the balance of the board it's hard to pigeonhole people so i particularly with who's on there right now there's some folks who don't fit neatly into any kind of pro-development or anti-development camps so um i i would personally say uh that george's experience as a developer and his concern that growth be well planned be why i would want george on the board i i don't have anything against architects at all so i think it's a question that in some areas you know you'd have a clear split on a board you'd say this preserves balance or that preserved balance i don't know that the board is in that position at the moment so for what that's worth bob yeah i first of all i agree with um with sam that it's kind of hard to pigeonhole people i don't like to put people in categories of you know plan growth versus no growth or any

[270:01] other categories that kind of get tossed around i i would say that if i were first of all i i wanted to i meant to say that i think george is a fantastic candidate a fantastic person and if he if he ends up not being appointed this board i hope he does apply again because i could see supporting him it was it was actually a hard decision for me as well answer your question adam um i i think if i were to compare what i understand about rosie's positions on on housing and growth and development and and george's i i think i would guess that rosie probably more closely aligns with harman zuckerman who's coming off the board and with brian bowen who came off the board last year and with um the with um david ensign and peter vitelli who will be coming off the board next year and so that's the kind of balance that i was looking for not to say that george um wouldn't be thoughtful about everything that comes before him and i think we've got a really great planning board i think all of them are hard working and i don't like to pigeonhole people or classify people as one way or the other but to answer your question honestly i think if i were to compare

[271:00] rosie to those um who have just come off the board i think she's closer to their positions than maybe george might be thank you mary yeah i just wanted to comment that um for folks that are concerned that there aren't professionals on the board that is one of the reasons that we are having consideration and thought put into um representation from dab on onto the planning board in a exophysio capacity or vice versa so that would ensure that there's a consistent architectural viewpoint on the board albeit a non-voting member um i think the other thing is that what i look for in candidates far and above everything else is that they be critical thinkers

[272:01] um and i think that um people that [Music] are not making their living locally from the industry would tend to have more of a latitude to be critical thinkers um so that's kind of where i lend on on how i made my decision for this one because i agree it's a difficult one yeah okay well with that any other comments before we move to the vote okay um alicia rather than guessing i'll just ask you are we reverse or normal reversal reverse that means we will start with rosie first and then george all in favor of rosie for the planning board raise your hand one two three four all in favor of george oops one two three four five so george

[273:00] boone gets the five-year term on the planning board hey sam do you have another i just want to make a note here that if rosie were to come up again next year i would highly suggest council consider her uh just because it's pretty clear that they are both excellent candidates and i wanted to put both on so okay thank you and junior wait i voted for rosie did you just say that if rosie come back next year yes she she got four votes and george got five votes i voted thank you sorry about that that's okay confused tonight okay tab uh we have two terms we have a five year term and a four year term on tab any nominations for the five year term

[274:05] pull my notes up mark sorry um okay i would like to nominate kyla very good um for the five-year term yes okay um see i see no one else with the hand up in that that case i'm gonna nominate jacob payne for the five year term aaron i'll uh nominate uh ryan shushart and apologies if i got his last name pronounced wrong super and um before we

[275:02] well i'll say my bit after we're done speaking about people um mark did you speak to tila yes i would um and i say this as someone who often disagrees with tila on on various things but i am constantly impressed with her professionalism uh her presentation um her background as uh uh as an attorney um and her knowledge of transportation issues she's been an extremely effective spokesperson uh when she's appeared before us and i like to reward people who have done a good job and bring them back when i can so that's basis for my support thank you mark and i'll i'll speak to jacob i i thought jacob gave some of the most thoughtful answers of any of our board applicants and that's a very high bar this year because there were tons of very good answers i also thought ryan

[276:01] did very well so i'm just going to give it a shout out there um i thought in addition to his clearly fluent knowledge of transportation issues transportation systems and how they work here in boulder he's he's uh a demographic we don't normally get um lots of good applicants on he is younger and so i think he would bring a perspective to tab that isn't necessarily there right now i will say i'm also going to support tila for sure for the board but i would suggest that since she has done four years already that we not give her a five-year term that we consider her for the four-year term but i will be supporting tila for another term but eight years is a pretty good long time and with that i'll turn to um aaron for speaking to ryan yeah i i absolutely agree with all the great things that have been said about tila she's done an extraordinary job in her

[277:01] last four years and you know whenever you get an email from tila on transportation subject you can count on it taking a few minutes but that you'll know more uh when you're done reading it than when you started and you'll have learned a lot so i fully intend to support her since she has had four years i would i think the four-year term is more appropriate um so i uh which is why i nominated ryan shushart in this and this round uh for the five-year term um i think we have an embarrassment of riches here i think brenda halsey would be a great choice i've appreciated stephen heidel's advocacy over the years very much uh i agree with sam's uh positive things about uh jacob payne and and and on and on uh richard collins uh as a great experience too um i'm i'm nominating ryan um i just was i was impressed by kind of his uh innovative ideas and i thought a fresh approach um you know he's worked in a uh in a clean transportation startup so i think he could you know lend us some new perspectives there served on the climate action task force in oakland i think

[278:00] just had some dynamic um uh solid answers i think uh that could help us out on the board a lot sam can i jump in for a second you sure okay um i i think i would like to acknowledge the wisdom of both your comments and errands on the five year versus the four-year term and on that basis i'd like to uh make my nomination for the four-year term next stop okay super that's great so um we will pull tila off because her nominator doesn't want her for the five-year term so now rachel so i'm um and it's super important to me that uh our my super preference that tila be reappointed for a four year term so that's why uh it's a little bit uncomfortable to vote for the seat not knowing for sure if she uh gets that four-year term so i don't know if we can do a straw poll or something like that and also if teal is coming out and she's not in

[279:00] the running for this one i would i would i don't know who to pick of brent or stephen hate brent halsey or stephen haydel to nominate but again two people that have uh come back i think a few years in a row but definitely last year and this year um and are solid candidates and um uh i would want to uh uh i guess just going alphabetically i uh yeah i will go with brent halsey as a nominee as well if i can make a new one since we are mixing it up with uh mark pulling tila off so i'm just going to cut to the chase we'll come back to your other point in a moment but you want to nominate brett halsey for a five-year term i think i do okay super mary yeah i just wanted to say that um to put rachel's concerns to rest

[280:01] um as we need gender balance it would have to be tila for the four-year term that's true that's a really interesting point thank you mary okay with that said um we have three folks nominated for um the five-year term seat one brent halsey can i speak to bryant if oh yes i think everybody else please do yeah a little bit um confused by what we were doing here but um brent has been super active um in transportation advisory board he is uh very committed he um has been involved in the you know crossing guard program and the pedestrian board and and again if if we mean what we say and if you keep coming back um and you have and you're a quality candidate you will get picked so i i think for all those

[281:00] reasons he's a great choice um and i and i would also just like to say i thought that ryan um i don't want to butcher his last name but ryan was an outstanding candidate as well and i would um if he's not selected really encourage him to reapply next year super okay um is it alphabetical this time or reverse alphabetical alphabetical so i think that is also kind of going down the list um anyone else want to speak before we start our voting mary i had to lower my hand and unmute my mic so sorry um i wanted to speak for jacob payne again what i look for in people um is for them to be really critical thinkers and based on jacob's very thoughtful answers that were a departure really from um a

[282:02] lot of the other responses i think that he will bring a critical thinking [Music] to the table that could be very helpful good thank you mary anyone else all right seeing no one else going in alphabetical order first uh for the five year term who would support brent halsey one okay very good jacob payne uh one two three i see three for jacob and then ryan shoeshard that is five for ryan okay so ryan gets the five year term and then mark would you like to make a nomination for the four-year term trying to remember who it was [Laughter] kila of course okay

[283:00] uh tila has been nominated are there any other nominations for the four-year term great seeing none tila will be appointed to the four-year term um i do want to say that one consideration that uh is here aside from tito's great qualifications and her hard work is that we do have transition going on in the transportation department and this will be a bit of continuity um as well going forward i believe tila is the chair at the moment so whether she stays chair or not it'll be good to have her expertise um as we go through a transition so with that i think we're done with tab all right you can't see the longest name of any of our boards in acronym i think so anyone want to nominate someone uh

[284:00] nearby i would like to nominate trent bush very good adam i was going to nominate either one that didn't get nominated so i will nominate ted rockwell super aaron can we sort through the property owner representative thing to do are we clear about who uh if either of them or both of them qualify thank you did we have do we have an answer to that debbie and i are checking now got it at the same time i believe ted works for the university so i'd be surprised if you were a property owner yeah and i'm hopeful we can work this out because i think they're we have a solid two choices here absolutely add a lot to the board so well and i'll say one other thing it doesn't have to be actually a property

[285:01] owner right it can be a representative so if if we were to put them both on and pick one for the represent or property owner who wasn't they could go recruit somebody to support themselves don't see anything in trance application it says that he's a property owner could we vote for them pending checking with them on their status and then come back to it if we have to yeah i'm pretty interested in both of these i thought they were both excellent so i i'm tempted to appoint them and see if one of them could find a property owner who would endorse them as their representative but mark i'll go to you the cu i assume see you on his property

[286:01] in the hill can we certainly do can we treat ted as a representative or of cu since he works for them that's a really interesting point um you know i wouldn't speak for cu and i'm sure they'd have to think about it before they answered but i i think that is a really interesting point aaron did you have something else okay all right well you know debbie yeah i'm not seeing anything in ted's either just that he works for cu i'm not seeing anything that indicates he's an owner so my suggestion is a slight departure from our normal i would say appoint them both and see if we can go to ted and see if cu would designate him as a property owner representative for ukmc mark yes i'd be very much in favor of that

[287:01] okay so just to be formal about it my proposals we appoint trent to the five-year term and ted to the three-year term pending ted's um going to the university and and getting their stamp of approval does anyone have any other suggestions adam yeah if that doesn't happen to work out can we go back and switch it and see if trent can get a representative uh endorsement you know just essentially do the same thing yeah i think i think if we get this back in our lap we would want to reconsider the whole thing so i i what i would suggest is that we um make this provisional and then not vote to approve it tonight so the other ones we're probably going to vote to approve and we're going to have some other board applicants for those boards that weren't filled yet so i would suggest that we make this provisional

[288:00] and we have debbie and alicia work with trent and ted to figure out what the best way is to sort that out talk i would start with trent in the five-year ted in the three-year and we won't vote to seal it tonight but we'll go back and get and have staff communicate with them about the issue aaron yeah i think that makes sense sam and maybe i look to tom is the way to accomplish that then maybe to not include this one in the motion uh for approval so that we don't have to try to undo something we've done instead wait to vote on at a later time you know aaron i'm fine either way you could you could include it in the motion conditionally and then if one doesn't qualify which happens sometimes after you've appointed somebody you can just do another appointment later okay great if we can then that no need to keep it out then okay that's fine with me mark did you have something no i'm sorry no that's no not your fault okay very good so then

[289:00] by acclimation unless i hear otherwise we'll have trent for the five-year term ted for the three-year term for a property owner and representative will vote to approve it tonight and if ted isn't able to work something out with cu we'll revisit this are we good with that awesome they're both great candidates so i hope we can get through the minutia and have them both serve all right is that our last one should be no two more by the way huge props to taylor for doing the powerpoint on the fly absolutely all right uh rab water resources in the nominations

[290:00] seeing none i'll nominate anne kinser i thought she did great at her interview and as usual we've got good applicants but um jill did not show up for her interviews so with that i'll nominate anne any other nominations seeing none and we'll get the five-year term unwrapped and this this last slide is just to provide you guys with an update and possibly get some direction on if you want us to continue um with the application process being open so i'll speak i'll speak for myself alicia you're going in and out of it but um we do want to keep it open i think we need to start recruiting and i think this falls to council and to the people on these boards to try and recruit somebody i mean colorado chautauqua and

[291:00] bla are really important boards so we definitely want to do that um older junction very important boards as well often have trouble getting folks there because it's such a limited geographic area so um other council members mary yeah i just wanted to speak to star waring who is the applicant to the um cca right now to chautauqua and um she was appointed by council five years ago and um i've served with her as the rep on the cca right now and she does a fantastic job she's very very very engaged and a great contributor on the governance committee which has been a very critical committee um in the last couple of years so i'm [Music] if she wants to serve another term i

[292:02] would fully support her and that's probably who i would nominate having served with her on that board excellent i uh bob but while we're on this one i fully agree with mary i know star and and she um she's been a good representative i used to serve in the colorado association board as well and if there's no other uh applicants i would feel a comfortable opening star either tonight or later i also i'm completely separate um received a text from sarah wibinson who um advises me that trent going back to our prior discussion um has arranged to be a property rep so okay put that one to bed and make correct the property rep and ted the uh the other one all right so that means we have to flip the previous so ted's a property rep he gets sorry not ted trent's a property rep he gets three years and if ted will get the five-year term in that case so thank you for that clarification bob and i will speak up and say i'm totally

[293:00] behind this mary you know normally we want to have multiple applicants for our boards but i think our our thought process there is if they're not currently on the board right are specifically on the board they're applying for a reappointment i think is different and so with your and bob's suggestion and endorsement i guess i'd propose that we make that appointment tonight is is there any reason tom that that would be a problem for us my only question is is do we have to wait till the period ends on thursday before we appoint because we have we've advertised that it's open until thursday i don't see any reason why you'd have to um you just close it and maybe i noticed that the council decided to appoint the one applicant okay okay thanks debbie thanks tom um do i see any objection from council to doing that okay that's great thank you mary and bob

[294:00] for that that's very helpful so let's go ahead and say that we'll point star waring to a full term for the cca board and with that i believe that we are done in fact we have a bonus over what we thought we would do for tonight and ukmc got straightened out so that's excellent so i think then um we want to open the public hearing to get input on our nominations before we vote so my recollection is that we have one person signed up for the public hearing and that is lynn siegel and lynn will have three minutes yes first of all i don't make my choices on color or gender um and um boza jill lesser she talked about adus

[295:02] and unintended consequences with them an example of an adu um i don't know if it's an interior one or an exterior one but you could have two addresses and that causes you a decreased ability to refinance that was rather interesting um osbt michelle estrada estrella um i just really liked her um tab jacob payne is fabulous from oakland um he compliments alex weinheimer who's a staffer that's uh quite good on on tab issues and on on trade-offs funding trade-offs for different modes and different improvements in the transportation system you like um a faster pace for getting around town um fine finding um funding

[296:01] happening over time an opportunity and no dead end um projects and uh i thought he'd really compliment alex well um i like also ryan richard and of course taylor duhamy um landmarks board abby daniels arts commission ebony freeman she's very bright and spirited and jancey campbell's been in town forever and great um my star candidate is the rab person from portland and queenser my god what a candidate um she talked about infrastructure maintenance and sewer issues in portland flooding versus aging infrastructures people might be directed towards flooding when really aging infrastructures is what they need to look at um she wanted to listen first to the board and

[297:00] and then and listen to the citizens and make balances in how she makes her decisions use a lot of technical information she brought up texas and the disaster there during the freeze and planning board george boone who's a neighbor and i met a few years ago and really liked in spite of the fact that he's a developer sam um and david takahashi who's great on energy efficiency stuff if you ever want anything any advice about solar hot water electric or anything he's amazing just amazing but um george boone i i'm gonna hope that he's gonna go right for me um and i think that's everybody yep oh excuse me

[298:01] environmental advisory board paul coleman he explains both sides he does a lot of discussion about trade-offs um he's got lots of insightful information he's really well informed um fabulous candidate for ead thank you lynn yeah thanks okay with that i would entertain a motion to approve the 2021 board and commissions appointments as we've laid out so moved in that case i'll second it thank you aaron um is anyone opposed to appointing the board and commission folks that we just selected seeing none that's a unanimous vote to make our appointments thank you all to who applied to our boards um congratulations to those of you who are appointed we hope to see

[299:00] those of you who are not back again uh applying for boards and we thank you all for putting yourself out there we know it's hard to do and um i want you all to know it's greatly appreciated on our side anyone else have anything else to say tim i do believe this requires a roll call oh thank you that's a great reminder let's go down the roll all right thank you councilmember nagel hi swetnick yes wallach hi weaver hey kate yes young yes rocket hi friend yes and joseph hi the boards and commissions for the year of 2021 sir have been approved unanimously thank you very much alicia and thank you taylor for your

[300:01] adaptability on the fly for all that thank you all right so i think we're two matters from mayor city council and chris i think we'll turn to you to see if you've got anything you want us to kick off with uh no i i think uh why don't uh we tee up in the order that they're on the agenda we can start with downtown crime and then uh we'll go to the hill after that all right that's excellent so council i will ask for bob to kick us off bob i guess i'll kick off the question i just want to make sure i'm perfectly clear and anybody in the community is perfectly clear about this chris um question for you um to be clear um the chiefs in my opinion chief's doing a great job downtown and i really appreciate the efforts that she's made especially the changes since february 9th but you and the chief are not looking for incremental funding from

[301:02] council at this moment and to the extent this is a question but to the extent that um you do want incremental funding for the police or other downtown health and safety issues you'll bring those back to us on april 27th is that correct that is and and i agree with you bob i think uh the chief has done a phenomenal job and i think uh the way we've adjusted the way she has adjusted downtown um and it has has been really effective so far um as as the chief mentioned uh that staffing analysis or workload analysis is underway now so we may come back on the 27th with more information there may be a request there but we want to do that analysis first so maris anything to add to that uh no thanks chris um no i will have that workload analysis done by the 27th and then we can make data decisions

[302:01] based on the workload analysis and i appreciate that chris and and the only other thing i'll i'll add just as a comment and then i'm done with downtown is um chief obviously whatever you and chris bring forward by way of additional support please don't be shy about asking for it because we have community members are asking for and i for one will will provide any reasonable requests that that support any reasonable address that you all make i i also will say that i'm very supportive of the proposed ambassador program as set forth by you and yvette and i really appreciate the fact that the downtown businesses are financially supporting that and are willing to serve as the um the management arm on behalf of the city if that's what the city wishes i i don't presume to believe that the ambassador program will end all of our problems or that it will replace police officers but i think between additional support that the chief might need plus the ambassador program which i know has been fabulously

[303:00] successful in other cities chief i know that you've worked with with ambassadors um in cincinnati i think those are and with the jail um uh restrictions easing i think those three things um can um uh lead us to a happier place over the coming months so i'm very enthusiastically looking forward to your presentation on the 27th both about additional support and also the ambassador program to help your officers have eyes and ears on the ground at all times thank you looking forward to thank you bob and i'm going to interrupt our regularly scheduled discussion to make a motion um to extend the meeting past 11 o'clock all right well we got a motion bob you in a second somebody want a second second all right so got a motion and a couple seconds anyone objects seeing no objections we'll go on we've got aaron near by adam and mary erin yeah thanks for those comments bob and

[304:01] uh chief harold i really appreciate the additional attention that you've been paying to to downtown with those additional patrols in the particularly the kind of data targeted way you're going about them i was impressed by your presentation earlier and i've heard from downtown business owners that it's making a difference already obviously it hasn't solved all the problems um but so thank you for that i'm glad you're doing i'm glad you're continuing it uh echo um bob's support for the ambassadors program uh i think that's an exciting initiative and we don't have to get into it tonight but uh chris sometime fairly soon it'd be good to know a little bit more about the rescue act funding and when it's going to come into the city because it may provide it well it will provide us with additional resources that we may somehow we could direct to things like the ambassador program for example so um you know that's something that we're going to be wanting to take advantage of soon right um and an event thanks for your presentation earlier i like the idea

[305:01] that charging station um uh you know a kind of a above ground one right like up at um height level and i do think we're going to do a lot better um as the vaccines kick in and people come back down to town town right like i go down for for takeout but you know i spend you know a tenth of time that uh downtown that i used to and i'm looking forward in a few months to getting back there i think that's going to be true for a lot of our community members and our visitors and those eyes on the ground will will make a huge difference i'll just mention one other thing that i heard um from some other downtown folks which was that some targeted uh additional lighting in certain areas could be helpful um you know they mentioned that uh for particular like say employees you know uh a lot of whom are impacted by kind of threatening behaviors downtown are younger people many of them female you know they're walking back to their their cars or the bus at night after dark and um so concerns for those you know working people's safety so

[306:02] that's not an immediate thing but i don't know that maybe that's something that we could look at with the downtown folks at where you know just a few targeted areas where we could add some additional lighting would help kind of guide uh workers back to their um transportation you know safely at night so maybe that's something you'd be thinking about too thank you for that suggestion we'll certainly take a look at that we actually have a charette plan with parks and rec downtown boulder partnership and cv later this week and that's one of the things i'll bring up of course we want to be thoughtful about dark sky lighting ordinances and other things but we'll take a look at that aaron thank you yeah thanks we certainly we don't want to point any lights up at the sky right but uh yeah maybe there's something and we have to have historic features and there's other things but we will certainly take a look at that okay thanks so much thank you aaron and thank you vet for that so i got nearby adam mary and rachel nearby so i'm just gonna tie on and um

[307:00] a little bit i guess i spoke to some of the property owners as well and you know they had five asks so it sounds like in our um future meeting we're gonna be looking at the ambassadorship and and hopefully some more police presence down there um if needed if the ambassador program doesn't work and i think those are probably two of the biggest ass but the three additional asks we've kind of touched on two of them so the lighting um they were saying that things were a lot safer during the holidays when all the holiday lighting was up so i don't know if something like that could be enacted um i think that sometimes little twinkly lights and um the white lights can still be kind of romantic and set the mood uh all year round um maybe if they you know just don't turn to those the led white lights versus colored um as much and so it could help bring that romance of of downtown's um essence that so many of us love uh so without you know messing with the

[308:01] dark sky issue so that's one option um that i know they had really suggested and we're hoping for on the other one and i i understand we might be getting the charging stations with the solar panel but one of the big requests was to take the electricity out of the polls and i've heard this rumors that staff is saying that's not real feasible but i think that's one of the main issues that's causing problems for a lot of these store owners so i don't i guess i don't know if staff staff's going to report on that tonight or if they can or if this will be in one of the future meetings but i guess being cognizant of where we post the new charging stations and making sure that they're in areas that won't cause mass amounts of disruption to these store owners um would would be a good discussion to have um and then the last uh suggestion i had heard were cameras and i'm sure that gets expensive and i'm not exactly sure how that would be implemented and i know there's probably going to be um big brother issues and whatnot but i don't know if it's

[309:00] something that stores you know maybe we'll have to invest in themselves and but it was just one of the five points that these owners were discussing so i'm just going to put that out there um but i do know very strongly the polls were one of the biggest issues that i really was hearing about so thank you nearby and i'll yeah that i was going to see if you or maris would like to speak to this so yeah i want to just again acknowledge that there's a number of departments working collectively on this on the polls and the charging stations we tend not to want to turn the polls off for operational reasons there have been instances where we've had to turn the power to those outlets off because of vandalism um and so i think what we want is to have a safe charging station option for community members who need to charge their devices our idea is to work together later this week downtown boulder to discuss both the cost of that and the location and management of that

[310:00] as it might align with other uses down there including the restroom so i'll take that back to the team on cameras um it has been the city's um program for lack of a better term not to install a lot of surveillance type cameras i am aware that there is an awesome program that the police department has where people can register their own private cameras and you should know that downtown boulder has a program right now to help businesses pay for that and then have them register those cameras with the neighborhood program run by the police department the city does not man those print cameras um instead they could be providing footage if it was needed um in connection with an investigation uh or incident and the chief of course or tom will correct me if i'm incorrect um we are in close partnership as always

[311:02] with the downtown businesses and also with the businesses in other districts because one of the issues uh mariby that we're always looking at is the equity of how you treat these issues across the city in an equitable manner but chief's great uh data has allowed us to take some first steps with downtown boulder and we'll be responsible and look forward to bringing you details in april sam did i answer that question satisfactorily mayor oh yeah i think so you covered um the polls and you covered lighting i think and you covered cameras so i think you got it and i'll turn to the chief chief is there anything else you'd like to add to what a vet said uh no sir i think she uh she hit all the highlights and yet she's she's correct about the cameras um so thank you event thank you guys i appreciate it great next we have adam mary and rachel adam thanks sam uh most of my points were

[312:01] already taken about uh the ambassador program and lighting but i would i would second all those um i have one suggestion for the chief actually and that's as bars start opening up again um in my experiences security downtown for many years security downtown is actually some of the best eyes and ears that you have access to so i would do some outreach and make those relationships with your officers and security that stays out there until three in the morning so you can you know really utilize those as another pair of eyes and ears for negative activity thank you adam and if you have any um people that organize that group or anybody i can go down and talk to directly i'd be glad to take a team down there and get some conversations going yeah i'm happy to make some connections with some of the bar owners and people that i know who would be more than happy to lend a hand thanks adam appreciate it

[313:00] thank you both um mary um so i just wanted to agree with what bob said and um and also with what aaron said as well and concern for you know between what we read in emails and the stories that we heard tonight um it's very disconcerting that people are having to carry guns and knives in order to protect themselves um and it's just a matter of time before somebody gets really badly hurt trying to defend themselves so that's very concerning i'm wondering if um the ambassadors might be i don't know what their hours are going to look like or what the hours are that people are walking to their cars at what time they're walking to their cars or their transportation but um to establish some sort of a of a buddy program so that people are

[314:00] able to at least have accompaniment while they walked to their transportation so just a thought and then um one of the things that maris mentioned um tonight was the fact that there's been a huge um or significant reduction in the number of police officers with the city and i'm just concerned about how that will affect our ability to address the issues downtown as well as across town and then we're going to be talking about the hill so um [Music] i'm looking forward to the workload report later on and that's all i have thank you very much for addressing all these things and working so cooperatively amongst staff and and with the community thank you thank you mary rachel yeah mary um hit on what i was going to

[315:00] ask about which is like on college campuses especially as um a young woman you know usually there were like um there was like a number you could call and you could then get um you know an escort basically you know from one part of campus to the other know that you'd be safe so have we looked at anything like that um where we could have people um call you know whoever's patrolling the area at the hour that they're shutting down their shop and they could yeah i don't know i don't know if they could have a golf cart right or what what the options might be but is there a way to help people get safely um to their cars or their bikes at the end of their shifts because that's um something that we've heard a lot about um i had my daughter worked on pearl street for a couple summers and she was often leaving um pretty late and dark and walking pretty far to where it was affordable for her to park her car so i think it's it's a significant concern

[316:01] we can take a look in conversation with downtown boulder and continuing to work with both the if there is an embassy ambassador program as we look at the scope but we've also been in cv and through downtown supplementing with private security and we can take a look at those hours as well i also want to remind council that we have extended the duration of the three for three and in the evenings those are lit garages um with pretty easy access on those lower floors um and we can do what we can on wave finding with that as well nothing is a hundred percent but we certainly don't want people to feel unsafe and we'll work with downtown and with the hill on that thank you vet junie thank you uh nearby's cat is very distracting because it's so cute um i just wanted to make a comment i wanted to ask about what is the difference between

[317:01] an ambassador's program and community service officers chief i'm afraid that one was for you as you're wandering around i'm sorry my internet keeps going out i apologize uh table mesa internet over here but so the ambassador program are you talking about police community service officers juni um so the ambassador program is really eyes and ears for the community it's a business relation it's a customer service driven model it does light cleaning light graffiti removal they actually do restroom monitoring you know they're highly visible they have a manager on with boots on the ground that has a police radio tied into the police department so they're really more eyes in the ears high visibility

[318:00] [Music] mechanisms for a downtown corridor or a university setting that's where they got their beginning their start the crime prevention officers or community officers are post-certified in colorado and they perform all of the functions of a police officer but they focus in on crime prevention and crime prevention mechanisms okay do do we have any such program here in boulder community service yeah we we do have uh crime prevention and community officers neighborhood officers um it's something that i really believe in because this is where you do your best problem solving and so hopefully um in the future and part of our master plan process that we can expand that program here in boulder because you know i'm just accustomed to having a very robust uh crime prevention section or unit to work on larger scale problem-solving projects for the community yeah yeah no thank you for bringing that up because i remember uh

[319:02] before i moved here to boulder i lived in a different city and one of my friends were was a community service officer and my understanding is that this idea of being a community service officer integrate people from the community into the police department it teaches them and it almost like it's a liaison or a bridge between the community and the people so in my mind uh expending that friendly aspect of policing to me is something that um i find important and and yeah um i i just wanted to add to something that mary said earlier i am an idealist with a lot of pragmatism and i think it's so important that in this climate as we think about you know some of the challenges that we have to i guess confront you

[320:01] know whether we want more police officers in the community but people also want to be safe and if we don't protect community members they will do what is necessary to protect themselves and we don't want that we want to be the one taking care of that we want to be you know the the system that protects people as opposed to allowing people to protect themselves right so um i i i support community service or ambassador program just so that we can keep people safe so they don't have to carry knives and guns it's just not fair to community members yeah junie i would just like to echo that because what you said is so important in what you see across the country unfortunately as crime rises people are really purchasing more guns than we've ever seen that is not a good sign for how the community looks at government to protect them and so i'm always trying to balance

[321:00] that but you bring up an excellent point and it's one of my concerns is that people do not feel that the government is protecting them and so we have to balance that and so thank you for that point because i think it's very valid right now very good well thank you all for that i won't add anything because i think it's all been said very well um so with that thank you yvette for being here um and we'll turn to the next portion of the evening um which is the university hill so i just want to close this i guess there's no not at five here we've had our feedback and we've heard what's coming we're going to talk about it april 27th so it doesn't mean that we are not doing anything about it we're going to speak about it again on the 27th and we heard from both the police chief and from community vitality the work that's going on downtown so um that's my summary of this part of the evening and if we want to move on into

[322:02] university hill we've heard kind of what happened in the summary but i'll turn to council member wallach and friend um you guys have brought forward some ideas and put them out there would you like to kick us off on your thinking about this rachel you want to go first okay i will uh take a stab yeah obviously the march 6 riots were um an embarrassment to the city in a dangerous situation in which property was significantly damaged and law enforcement officers were harmed so it's something that we want to avoid again in my i guess liaison representation to the hill revitalization working group i've been hearing about the sort of simmering issues since i started on council and would say that from that working group the the riots were not a surprise it was it was um sort of a

[323:00] escalation and culmination of some things that they deal with day to day and have been advocating for some solutions that they think could help so i think that the the riots do compel us to to take some action and add this to the work plan and so what we're asking for is a nada five for some staff support to work with um representatives stakeholders in the community to come up with some suggestions for either enforcement code changes to our code that could allow different enforcement or maybe just committing to more consistently enforcing some ordinances that we already have on the book and then probably figuring out ways that we can better work with and partner with and hold accountable landlords and see you um and so

[324:00] just an example of of the sorts of of things we could look at um with enforcement of current laws i guess we used to have a code enforcement officer who was on the hill um pretty regularly and when they retired that presence lapsed and they used to just have a decibel reader and if there were noise ordinance violations people got tickets and somewhere along the way it's it's become sort of the norm that we don't uh issue a lot of tickets or enforce some of these quality of life um issues so or ordinance violations so that's an example of something that i think we could do pretty um light lift i don't know if it would require uh um reallocation of funds or if that's part of the conversation that that marist needs to bring back when she does her um big look um and then there are other ordinances that we could look at but i'm sort of reluctant to lift any of them up because i think that

[325:01] the broad stakeholder working group with city staff support should come up with the best ideas rather than me kind of freestyling what i think would be best so over to mark yeah i i obviously i agree with all of that you know we we made several concrete proposals in the hotline post that we we put out but i i think what we're looking for is the initiation of a process that's going to proactively address these issues holistically and to provide some degree of it's almost hope you have a community under siege and what they feel under siege and i don't think it is sufficient for us to say well it only happens once every few years you got through it on to the next there are things we ought to be able to address we have a lot of creative talent in this in this town

[326:02] and we need to be able to respond to people who on a day-to-day basis are not able to live the lives that they thought they were going to live when they moved into this neighborhood and many of them moved in in part because of the diversity and proximity to students but they're not getting in effect the benefit of that bargain because their day-to-day life has become so um burdened with the problems that are going on there and so we want to we're not advocating for seven specific solutions so much as we need the resources to put people together to analyze those solutions and maybe come up with better ones and then come back to this council and say this is what we recommend because we think this can make a difference for the community that we're trying to serve and you know march 6 were just a nightmare apart from being an embarrassment it is by the

[327:01] grace of god that nobody was was badly hurt uh nobody was killed and there wasn't more property damage um and i don't really want to tempt the fates anymore i think we owe the people in that community a degree of attention they may not have been receiving and i'd like to get that process going and just one more thing that i forgot to say um on the front end thanks mark i agree with all that is that i think part of the conversation um needs to be about yes and not just no so we're saying you know you can't be loud here and now now and now but there are probably ways to get it where you can you know be noisy and up late and so hopefully that will be part of the discussion too okay um mary adam nearby and bob mary thanks sam so three things um first of all

[328:00] we received a couple of emails from um former council members that provided some historical perspectives on how these questions have been around these issues have been around for a long long long long time and um i think one of the biggest differences between then and now is the data driven actions that can be taken by by our new police chief and the approach that maris's department has taken specifically i'm wondering if we might be able to apply that directed patrol strategy in the hill as we learn from its application downtown because i have a lot of concern about our capacity in terms of

[329:02] just the number of police officers currently on the force so that's one thing that i would look to second i would look to the fact that cu as was mentioned earlier tonight has more leverage over the students than the city does so we need to somehow collaborate with the university to do things like tying citations directly to their their sanctioning actions so that they're as soon as there is a citation they know that they will get um suspended or expelled and there's no delay there so that there is equal fear of getting expelled or suspended

[330:01] through a citation as there is through going through the due process at the university so i think we really have to look at that so that's point number two and point number three is um place management um i've been in several meetings with maris regarding some neighborhood issues and the topic of place management is always brought up and um and how that plays into um the solutions that are possible here so i i would like us to to to work collaboratively collaboratively with the university and i especially want to see the university um more proactive i guess in being able to expedite the consequences of the actions of their students um who are

[331:02] basically misbehaving so um [Music] that's um all i have thank you thanks very adam yeah first i want to say i'm pretty concerned about further escalation simply because this wasn't this event didn't happen because we won a big 12 championship that it happened essentially more or less out of nowhere out of whatever frustrations that the cu students are having who participated um and if you don't provide an appropriate response then the escalation will continue so um whatever we can do in the short term i know chief harold is ready for st patrick's day but i'm worried about almost any warm weather day uh coming up now so uh just you know the short term i think matters just as much as the long term in this instance to get everything

[332:01] uh just reasonably under control that being said i'm super interested in having the absentee homeowners who rent on the hill more accountable for their actions uh the two places that students really look when they're um when they're worried is at are they still enrolled in school and do they still have a place to live and frankly if we don't attack that from both sides where cu is uh a partner and these people who are renting to the students our partner i don't think we're ever going to actually make some meaningful change so i know that's a tough one to make a law for but whatever we can do in that sense where there's actual accountability for the people who own the home and are renting to the students i think that's super important to follow up on uh thank you rachel and mark for

[333:01] putting all your suggestions forward um looking forward to finding some real solutions thank you adam nearby bob and aaron nearby um so i had three points but they've actually been spoken about so um first uh one of the ideas was when mary discussed the the patrols um that are going to be similar to what downtown are that was a thought i had had when we were discussing downtown so i would like to see that implemented and kind of second what she was saying and then um second to go up actually what adam was talking about and to bring it further then i guess into the accountability so i think that the two sides that we can look at really is to see you and the landlords and um i think that those are going to be the biggest consequences that we can see uh if we can get them on board and i will press further into bringing in what c can do um i feel like this is a problem that though we are partners with them in certain aspects they've really

[334:00] um exacerbated this with the housing issues that they are not building um and pushing it onto the hill and the neighbors and our residents are having to deal with this and so i think these are a lot of things that cu should be paying for to help work on providing their staff and their resources so that it isn't all coming from the city of boulder's budget and our tax paying dollars because our taxpayers though they did choose to live here and knowing it is a university town they shouldn't be as heavily impacted by the costs of this so that's my big concern and i really do like the idea of working with cu's department to if that we receive citations from the boulder police it also means that they get x y or z as a consequence from the university and then make those kind of set in stone um so the students coming in their freshman year understand the expectations understand the consequences of their actions so that the residents who have worked very hard and want a nice life on the hill can actually enjoy that so

[335:03] thank you nearby bob aaron and juni bob first i want to thank uh rachel and mark for their leadership and in taking this one um ahead on and uh presenting an out of five to us which i'm gonna fully support and i'll be interested to hear what staff has to say as far as process and timing um i i'm going to agree with what's what's been said by my colleagues i think there really are three legs to this stool i think one is is obviously law enforcement and i'll say what i said before about downtown i i'm looking forward to hearing from the the chief about what resources she needs uh to um to facilitate that and i i think that the ambassador program as an extension of of the police department can be something i know we're going to pilot it downtown but i could envision a day where um we have ambassadors that are actually walking the hill and watching for situations so that we don't have parties that suddenly blow up from 100 800 um very quickly that that they're watching it and they can keep the police

[336:00] informed and call the police and when appropriate so that's something i'll look forward to hearing but that's only one leg of the stools and as my colleagues have said the other two legs are the university and um and wanting them to participate more fully in um these situations whether it's as rachel says finding outlets for people to um uh entertain themselves and have fun engagements that are safe or uh the others the stick side of things um having um appropriate disciplinary actions and feeding what the cops are seeing right directly into the the university and the third leg of the school of course as as was just said is the landlords i i spoke with the boulder area rental housing association folks today and they are very much wanting to be part of the solution they want to know at least at least the organization and i assume they speak on behalf of their members which um have a lot of hill representatives want to know when their tenants are misbehaving often they say that they'll ask to know they don't know

[337:01] when their tenants have received a violation or a warning or on those types of things and they want to be part of that they want to know when the situation is and they can build into their leases a right of either penalties or ultimately eviction if people are not um appropriately behaving and so i think we should welcome them to the table and use all three tools to improve the quality of life on the hill thank you bob aaron yeah i'll be brief because it's pretty much all been said i'll just uh echo the thanks to rachel and mark for stepping up and putting this forward and you know we'll try to find all the solutions tonight but look forward to come what comes out of the collaborations ahead i thought bob put it very well about the the three legs i'm really glad to hear everybody's interested in working together i think we do need to tighten that uh collaboration with the city and the university and it's already really good but to some of mary's points to have the information feed from the city to the university make sense assuming do uh process uh uh is

[338:01] completely followed so uh look forward to the next steps about seeing how we can do this and and then just to put a note that uh this is one of the many problems that has been exacerbated by covet you know we're living in extraordinary times but it calls for extraordinary uh creativity and responses as well with your auntie thank you um yeah thank you to mark and rachel for bringing this forward and to me education is very important educating or keep doing re-education of these young people who live on the hill um i'm slightly concerned about over-policing the hill which might have unintended consequences so i think that's something that we need to balance and i'm slightly confused about the additional enforcement request because

[339:00] my understanding and maybe i'm making connection with two different things that have nothing to do with each other for instance the bedrooms are for people are working to relax certain court enforcements and if we're asking for further enforcement and i'm wondering what further enforcement are we asking for does it have to do with the amount of people who live together on the hill um so that's that's why i'm confused i don't know if rachel can answer that for me and i have other comments i'm happy to to speak to that so when i'm talking about enforcement i'm talking about enforcement of existing code ordinances obviously bedrooms is looking to change an ordinance so enforcing quality of life um i'm largely looking at things like noise and quiet enjoyment of your home so when people have parties like that's what we hear about from uh the hill neighbors in

[340:01] this working group is like the parties will start at 8 a.m on home football you know days and you can hear it from two blocks away and you know 11 a.m a lot of other days and then it's going until late at night and fireworks are going off and so it's more it's really more like party and noise ordinances and for the policing i agree i think there's been history on the hill where there was excessive policing and that's not what i would be driving for i think a lot of this could be done actually with code enforcement and so like the decibel reader that i'm talking about i don't think even needs to be a police officer it could be another city staff member or and perhaps somebody coupled with like a cu ambassador who is you know walking around and educating so i think that the work group will probably come up with a lot of um ideas for ways that we can sort of compassionately enforce i hope that answers your question i think i think that was really great

[341:01] i think part of the problem is or at least what i've understand based on my experience being on council based on my experience being a cu student well a former cu student is that the way we engage the student is slightly dysfunctional we engage when there is an issue and also of course we're engaged at the higher level and i i get a sense that a lot of these people in and and i'm not just taking four people for these young people who you know had a riot during a pandemic that's not my my thought but the fact is we have to make the you we need to make students feel like community members we have to engage them more because what we're doing here we're putting band-aids into an issue of course we're trying to fix it so that the future in the future we don't have the same problem but if we just enforce if that's

[342:01] the only thing that we do and we don't integrate these young people into the community as community members it's still that we're still going to face the same problem so to me i think it's educating keep on educating on the different violations when it come from the city also working with cu making sure that i don't know when i was thinking is that maybe cu need to send an email blast every friday so that they know that these young people live in a community and they cannot be you know doing fireworks you know because there are other people who lives there they're community members who are not just college students and i think cu has a huge role to play um so yeah that that's what i was thinking i just think more punishment model and engagement based on bad things that happen in the community is just not enough we need and and and the thing i was thinking too is that as a city council member how many of us

[343:00] have been to see you maybe during um what do they call it commencement week when you know you know these young people are coming into the community to engage them so i think all these things you know plays a role into the behavior that we see on the hill these people don't feel like they are part of the community and they're just you know behaving however they behave rachel oh um that's an old hand i guess i will say that um the this working group judy that's been you know like trying to get at this for a decade or two has pretty good student involvement and representation and so they are often trying new ways to engage and educate and so um the university actually does a fair amount of that and students are giving input and and and we saw a lot of that with covet as well the the efforts and so i agree we could we could continue with that um and and i hope that this working group will come up you know that will be part of

[344:00] the additional solutions that they lift up great so we have a lot of folks who have said a lot of things i agree with almost all of it um i i will say that i think the formulation of the triangle is really strong and i think that if we think about you know our our policing and the work that cu does on the policing side we have good visibility into that and fairly good um feedback to us and and feedback to them see you a little less right because they're their own institution and so what they do and what we do kind of different but we're both institutions so we do things in kind of an institutional way and i think they're more engaged than they have been i would like to see more i think they would like to do more and so we're aligned on that we want to press on that and we want to integrate them into this what i'll say about landlords is it's very diffuse right you probably got some excellent landlords on the hill who are

[345:01] very attuned to what's going on they may live in town for example and so they know when something's going on because it's not very far away from them they could even live on the hill and be a landlord at the same time but it's diffuse and so when we think about landlords we have to understand it's diffuse great work with barha but i'm sure that not every landlord on the hill is a barham member and some of them may not even like barha so um i think we need to recognize that and that's where laws come in and that's where regulation and enforcement comes in is you know the good ones hopefully you don't end up enforcing on the bad ones there's got to be some teeth out there somewhere and so i'll just say that not to sugarcoat it too much but the diffuse nature of the landlord population and spectrum of behaviors is going to be a challenge and we're going to have to think about it that way i believe um to to freestyle on a few things that i think are worth just putting out there

[346:01] and thinking about um when we when this group convenes and however the process works is i think one thing that we've heard both downtown and on the hill is um reporting confidentiality issues so in other words if somebody finds out you called the cops are they going to slash your tires and i think that is a real concern i think we heard it from vendors downtown and people in businesses i think we hear from people who live near folks who might you know it students also have a spectrum just like all humans do and some of them are going to be belligerent and mean and when they get called in they might do something bad and so i don't know the answer to this is where my freestyling stops but it would be very interesting to explore what the legal requirements are around confidentiality and reporting versus being able to know who's accused you of something so i'll just put out there that that confidentiality piece seems to me to be important and then i want to say one more thing about mark's discussion about holistic

[347:01] response um the hill's a special case because the hill has a high concentration of students it's got the greek system there you know there's a whole bunch of got a big commercial district um so it is a unique animal but university-impacted neighborhoods exist outside of the hill right and so we've got gas grove martin acres got aurora seven probably some others that i'm forgetting some of these code issues um quality of life noise trash all that stuff um are felt by other neighborhoods as well maybe they don't have fireworks but they might have a lot of the other stuff so i think when we're conceptualizing code responses to this whether it's more enforcement or whether it's changes to our ordinances we need to be thinking about all those neighborhood uh that are impacted by the university the university is a great asset to us we're super happy to have it here but the fact

[348:00] that they have they don't house everyone who attends means that there will be external impacts and our community will feel them so i just want to put out there that um there's hill specific stuff but then there's some stuff that that goes outside of the hill um circle so i too will support this and and i think you know there's going to be a little cycle here where we say not a five staff has to digest what we've asked for and then comes back and gives us kind of a staging so we won't get an immediate response once we do the notify but i think it will indicate that we're serious about this and that we're going to dig in because it has been going on for decades there's no question um and over policing was a factor in some of the riots that happened in the late 90s and early 2000s i will say that's not the only factor right and for some people that could be an excuse and not really a driving factor so all that said i appreciate

[349:01] again rachel and mark bringing this forward i think you know riots get your attention and it's got our attention and we need to um respond but we need to also try and learn from what's been tried in the past and what hasn't really gotten us to where we want to be with that mary thanks sam um yeah i just wanted to take a moment to thank rachel and mark for bringing this forward and um and just to add one more comment that made me recall that we have an anti-retaliation ordinance on the books but i believe it only relates to mobile home communities so there's there are anti-retaliation um concerns in other neighborhoods as well so we might look at expanding that city-wide so that

[350:00] we can apply it in all corners of the city but um that's one one thing that maybe we could do i'm also looking forward to seeing what kind of workload this presents and i imagine something will have to come off and um i think that will play into what um what moves forward so i also think that there's a lot of this these issues that might be addressed in the longer term through like the police master plan and some and the parks and rec master plan perhaps and some other ongoing master plan projects that are happening so um to keep an eye on the this more distant ball and see how we might be able to address things um more proactively

[351:01] um through those master plans thank you mary and at this point i think i'm going to turn to chris and say chris do you need notified from us we're certainly happy to give it to you i think you got a sense of counsel here um what's your reaction to what you've heard tonight yeah thanks sam and uh thanks to uh rachel and mark for raising this and then for all of the feedback from all of the council members um uh i think uh it clear feedback and desire um for i think this to be a a work plan item happy to still have uh a not of five um i think as several of you teed up there's there's definitely some scoping that we will need to do to understand this a little bit further um and i think rachel you mentioned this first but the role of the university hill revitalization working group yuna amongst others

[352:01] how we can use those groups to help support some of this work and um so i think we're going to want to to take this scope it a little bit more and then be able to bring back either uh what the what the work plan will be what uh maybe there are some options there likely will be trade-offs um of things that we'll need to stop working on in order to begin working uh on this um i i do wanna mention uh of i think all of the all of the bad of covid one of the one of the silver linings has actually been our partnership with the university um they they asked if they should attend this meeting tonight and i said no um you don't need to attend tonight um uh this will be really a good time for us to hear from council members but they are actively interested and willing to be a partner and i think the work that we have done with them uh through our covid response

[353:02] has opened up some some good lines of communication so i think it's a good foundation for us to continue to expand that partnership um with the university um as as i think even tom uh shared earlier the information sharing that's happening between the city the university barha is greater than i think we've ever had in the past so um again i think we have good foundations uh to continue to build on um and then i think as as we heard from uh from each of you tonight uh i think this will be a a multi-pronged approach uh and some of this will be maybe building on things that are already happening enhancing those um operationalizing those uh others of these may be new things that we need to explore so i would like to be able to then kind of sit down with our team uh be able to put together some options um rachel mark would love to continue to be able to

[354:01] engage with the two of you uh uh as well as the um working group uh to be able to bring this back forward um so uh with that um i'll pause and uh look to either any of the other staff that are are here to add anything um and then happy to hear any additional feedback great and i see tom turned his camera on tom do you have any uh input to us about an out of five requirement or you know sam i was thinking that um it might be best to let uh our team go back and scope this and talk about trade-offs and then get a nod of five from direction for council on which direction you want to take and what other work plan items you might want to put on the background to accelerate this so i'm not sure you need to do it tonight although i'd defer to chris on what if he feels he needs a better direction [Music] i i think the direction that we heard tonight is pretty clear um so i'm i'm open as well

[355:01] great and so then i'll turn to mark and rachel um i i think we've been pretty clear with staff and i think clap staff is going to come back to us with like some options but if you would like we can also do a formal modified i think i'll leave this to you to make the final call since you brought this forward i i would suggest that we do so if for no other reason that is a gesture to the community to say we hear you we're working on it um we're going to try to make things a little better yeah i think it might be a little less confusing as well for community members who know that we asked for another not a five if we don't do it then maybe it looks like a no um and and just want to put in a a light plug for i know that when we talk about the work plan we always say things crop up like you know you got to leave a little bit of wiggle room and i would say a riot cropped up and maybe this is the wiggle room and and that nothing major would have to come off the work plan because maybe this is that little space so

[356:01] if possible there's my my plug mark rachel one of you want to put a motion forward so that it says what you wanted to say mark rachel says you i was going to say rachel she beat you to it well i i'm not quite sure how this should be um phrased from a person may i assist yes propose the council do a 905 to direct staff to explore options based on the hotline that posted by council members wallach and friend today and bring the bring proposals for implementing uh that work plan back to council that sounds really very good i think i'm i'm going to move that again all right got a motion in a second anyone object to going forward with this seeing none that's a unanimous vote for an odd five thank you tom for putting the punctuation mark on that very helpful

[357:00] all right so here we are it is four minutes till midnight um we've gotten to our agenda um i want to compliment bob for both anticipating our problem and giving us the solution to consider cac for having moved the micro mobility off so again apologies to staff for that i think it's been a very good council meeting considering how packed it was but i would ask for feedback or anything else to close the meeting i just want to thank tom for bailing me out and i i just want to thank everybody for your support for that not a five and uh for mark for working on this with me and chris whatever help you need i can't speak for mark but i'm happy to to participate as helpful i as well all right super with that i will adjourn this meeting at 11 57 good night everyone good night and everybody [Music]

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