February 16, 2021 — City Council Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:00] on cic of course you're welcome there okay I have six o'clock sharp and we've got all council members here so I guess we want to check in on channel eight channel eight good to go Chris I'll check in with Emily how we looking in the council chambers you are muted sorry about that we're good to go I'll hit record oh I did hit record so we're good okay super um okay um I'll bang bang bang welcome everyone to the Boulder City council meeting of February 16th 2021 we are going to to start by having

[1:01] an explanation of our interpretation services tonight so I'll turn it over to Brenda for that thank you Sam um we are pleased that tonight's meeting through most of the meeting will be supported by interpretation into Spanish Manuela do you want to do concurrent for me and I'm sharing my screen are we seeing the slides cut off you go full screen let me try again sorry about that and it's not letting me try again okay all right let me end that okay let me try

[2:01] again here I am screen sharing I would like to stop okay sorry about that all right um so we have interpretation this evening as I mentioned here are slides to help folks find the function on the zoom call to turn interpretation onto the language of their [Music] choice glob please choose the icon that looks like a globe at the bottom of your screen and choose English or Spanish for those who will be speaking during open comment or one of our public

[3:01] hearings this evening um we have some suggested tips for working with an interpreter we ask that you speak slowly and clearly pronounce your words and breathe between sentences please do not interrupt each other while speaking if you own a headset with a microphone it is helpful for the interpreters if you use it please select one language Channel English or Spanish and stick to the language of that channel while you are speaking

[4:10] and please avoid using idioms such as quit cold turkey or be under the weather thank you Manu for concurrent interpretation from this point forward interpretation will be simultaneous so please be sure to choose a channel good thank you both um with that I think we're ready to start our announcements we have three major types of announcements the first one is about co9 um the first part is that exposure notification application is available for cellphones this is an application which is completely private and safe and will let you know if you have been

[5:00] exposed to someone who tests positive for covid-19 and you can use the uh website www.your phone.com which you can also see on the slide and then the second part and the very hopeful part is that vaccines are being administered right now in Boulder County and if you'd like information on how to get your vaccine and to sign up for notifications when you become eligible the website for that is on the screen and in short it's www.bouldercounty.org and then you go into families disease covid-19 and vaccines next we have boards and commissions annual recruitment for the 2021 boards and commissions has closed for most of the boards or commissions the city clerk's office is in the process of reviewing all applications to ensure applicants meet the requirements for the board or commission they apply app for and is on scheduled to have the

[6:01] application notebook posted online Monday February 22nd we do however have four boards and commissions that did not receive enough applications to proceed to the interview portion of recruitment so we'll continue to accept applications through 5 o'l on March 18th for the following boards Boulder Junction access District parking and the same Boulder Junction access District travel demand management then beverage licensing Authority and the Colorado shiaka Association board if you are interested in applying for one of these please visit the link that is shown on the slide and then another um advisory panel the city and Excel Energy are seeking a representative group of community members to serve on the first energy

[7:00] partnership advisory panel the panel will meet regularly to review and discuss energy issues and provide feedback on projects and programs arising from the partnership The Advisory panel will serve to connect the community to the new partnership by representing electricity and gas customers in Boulder in both residential and Commercial sectors the panel will review project proposals gather perspectives on community impacts and make recommendations to the Partnerships oversight team interested members of the community are invited to learn more about the working group and apply at the um link that is shown on the slide the applications for the partnership advisory panel will close at 5 o'clock on February 26th and with that Alicia I'll turn to you and see if you could call the role please all right thank you sir council member

[8:02] Brockett present friend I'm here Joseph pres Nagel here stick present wallik present Weaver here Yates here Anda present mayor we have a quarum very good thank you Alicia and next I'm going to ask for a motion to amend the agenda here are the items uh that we would amend we would add a declaration honoring Black History Month to the beginning of item 5A the racial Equity plan item we would add item 6A which is an update on CU South annexation negotiations we would move item 8A maintaining s and welcoming public

[9:00] spaces um to item 8B and we would move item 8B which is the selection of city council finalists um for the City attorney search committee um and we will be nominating folks for that and confirming them tonight so could I get a motion for amending the agenda the mve second second okay great thank you all is anyone opposed to amending the agenda great seeing none that passes unanimously and we'll move on so next we will go to open comment and before we um start taking open comment I will turn again to Brenda to help us uh remind us of the rules and guidelines for open comment great thank you Sam let me see if I can do a better job of sharing my this

[10:02] time can you see the rules currently on my screen yes we're good okay great um so uh thank you all for participating in public comment this evening uh we do to keep our meeting safe and productive in this virtual space have a few rules that we ask that you be cooperative with um we have this meeting called to order for the business of the city of Boulder any activities that dis that business are prohibited the time for speaking or asking questions may be limited we will tell you how many minutes at the beginning of each of our comment sections no person oh lovely that again all right uh no person may speak unless recognized by the mayor and the chat function is disabled

[11:01] there is a Q&A box to be used for technical questions for me only for help with the zoom platform we cannot use this function for the con for questions about the content of the meeting the host and individuals designated by the host are the only ones who may share their screen during the meeting this evening uh no video I'm sorry I'm doing these all out of order I'm a mess tonight Sam I apologize no video will be permitted except by City officials employees and invited speakers or presenters and Sam the mayor May um enforce these rules by requesting that I mute anyone who is violating any of these rules another rule I skipped from slide one is that we do need you to be using your full and true name um associated with your screen Pres tonight

[12:00] if your name does not currently show in your little box please let me know and I am happy to rename you for you um or you may rename yourself if you know how to do that all right mess as it was I think we have covered all of the rules soon great thank you Brenda so we'll now go to open comment and our first three commenters are Rosemary hegerty Brookie Gallagher and Evan rabbits Rosemary Rosemary would should be able to un yes hi my name is Rosemary hegerty from South Boulder I want to speak to you tonight about CU South the recent Transportation study by Fox Tuttle had numerous claws the first being that it was conducted at a time when CU and Boulder Valley schools had shut down all in-person learning so traffic was vastly decreased fox fox Tuttle did not accurately account for this drop in traffic when they used an October

[13:00] multiplier and applied it to November another huge flaw with this study was in not showing any increased traffic flow onto Morehead Avenue part of the additional 7,000 daily vehicle trips that CU South will create will certainly impact Morehead Avenue it is also aggravating to hear city the city and CU say that CU is donating this flood mitigation land to the city of Boulder this flood land is a bargaining chip for CU to achieve its goal of annexation if CU was donated in the land then why are the strings attached the city is projected to spend at least 25 million of the to Total 66 to 99 million for preparing the land for cu's future development couldn't we use that 25 million to do flood work elsewhere in Boulder Frasier Meadows the only South Boulder neighborhood that will benefit from this flood mitigation is not the only ones facing huge flood concerns Martin Acres also flooded badly what about our other

[14:00] neighborhoods while a true open SP space donation from CU to the city of Boulder which this is not would be wonderful do we have money in open space budget for more Rangers and rectifying the years of offleash dogs impact on this land especially the wetlands is there really a need for this CU development College AE students are decreasing and many colleges are trying to find creative ways to stay open because of anticipated decrease in student numbers has you done any projections for student enrollment postco and with drop in US population of college a students thank you thank you Rosemary NE next we have Brookie Gallagher Evan rabitz and Eric tusi Brookie uh Brookie I am promoting you to panelist temporarily because um because can you hear me you we can all

[15:03] right here I go my name is Brookie Gallagher I've lived in South Boulder for the past 13 years like the previous speaker I'm deeply troubled by the recently released CU South development related traffic study presented by cu's contractor Fox Tuttle it contains at least several glaring problems which call into question the validity of the entire study on page 11 Fox Tuttle states that traffic growth along the Table Mesa Drive Corridor has been nearly flat over the past 20 years my lived experience alone tells me this cannot be true looking at the historical data they used in drawing this conclusion the numbers show an increase of over 30% I wouldn't call that flat they set up their graph with increments of 5,000 vehicles on the Y AIS these oversized increments are bound to yield a flat graph some might call this

[16:02] statistical manipul malpractice it was highly inappropriate for c for the CU study to count South Boulder traffic the day after 46,000 people stopped traveling to schools in South Boulder because both CU and bbsd had just gone 100% remote Fox Tuttle counted traffic in November 2020 the month most impacted by Co but they use the multiplier for the month least impacted by covid October some would call that statistical malpractice if they use an extraordinarily low initial traffic count and use an incorrect multiplier once they add their projected 7,000 ad additional vehicle trips per day the ultimate number is going to appear far lower than it really will be decisions based on unsound data can be nothing but unsound themselves

[17:02] thank you thank you Brookie next we have Evan rabitz Eric tusi and making Kohl's Evan so after three years of City staff trying to keep online petitions off the ballot trying to switch us from online petitions to Denver's inferior tablet system pretending that the city Charter had to be changed to allow online petitions a year after voters did just that and after rejecting the offer of free software for online petitions under false pretenses and instead spending $490,000 on an inferior system online petitions are finally working barely as the City attorney told you in January all the heartache caused the city

[18:01] manager City IT director and city clerk to leave their jobs now the City attorney is leaving he tried to blame it on me telling you the IT director left because I said she lied about why the free software was rejected ha she stopped working for the city on January 22nd 2020 I didn't Begin work on the PowerPoint that proves she lied with audio recordings until January 28th and I didn't make it public until February everyone can see the PowerPoint with its date at tinyurl.com petition story that's tinyurl.com petition story I can't imagine her lying unless she was told to and that can only come from the city manager or City attorney I can't imagine anyone under 40

[19:02] or just having ethics will vote for you ever again except council members friend slick and Brocket the days of Boulder government being a lying cheating thieving slandering killing machine are over your beautiful evil is melting thank you Evan next we have Eric tusi mon Kohl's and Christopher cenno Eric Eric should be able to speak shortly Eric you should be able to unmute yourself now sorry I didn't see that thank you for being here tonight as publicly elected officials our neighborhood wants to especially thank council members that attended the parks and recck neighborhood zooms last week and those of you that have actually come

[20:00] out to visit with us and witness the rural quiet of the reservoir in the evenings we are asking city council to review and rewrite the restaurant lease so that it meets the requirements and parameters of the public input process 2012 and 2014 Boulder res Master plans are Baseline documents that outline the uses and limits of the res the adjacent neighborhoods like all communities have Community rights nature itself has rights and the master plan purports to protect many species that make the res their home we are here tonight in response to unilateral negotiations by parks and wreck involving the leasing out of the cafe space at the res the historic operating hours of the resz were altered and effectively zoning changes were made with the signing of the lease final operating hours and allowable alcohol service went far beyond initial RFP parameters this Le changes the entire ire character of one of Boulder's best

[21:00] parks it is one thing to have a Sunset 00 p.m. quite another to have a vendor that is allowed to rent out our new facility for profit put on concerts and sell alcoholic drinks down the down to the water until midnight this is actually what the current lease allows it is not enough that the vendor does not sell drinks this year the five-year lease allows alcohol Laden events such as concert private parties and Amplified music until midnight any night of the year it needs to be changed now before Financial commitments are made 2012 master plan specifically States Endeavor to be a good neighbor to adjacent properties it's time to be a good neighbor we want representation in developing The Good Neighbor agreement that parks and Rex brought up last week we'd be happy to have a nonprofit vendor such as Bridge house run the cafe and provide catering to thank you Eric thank

[22:00] you Eric this would be a service to the entire Community thank you community based solution Eric thank you your time is up sorry next we have Mak Kohl's Chris centenno and Susan Peterson Mak my name is mon coold 1726 Mapleton Avenue I want to offer some thoughts on the selection of a new city manager that relate to that manager's experience in the area of housing community progress about housing whether through area plans or Adu reform or by means of specific projects like Alpine Balsam or the Armory site is occurring at a slow and very costly Pace such that each year our efforts are mocked by the continuing and urgent need to provide housing at a price point Within Reach of teachers nurses weight staff retail workers grocery store clerks Frontline people who have kept the economy running while

[23:00] fortunate Boulder right safely shelter in place we live in a place where housing is so difficult for young people who are on their own we might as well post a sign at the entrance to the city that says this community is limited to people who are 50 years of age or older the number of cash buyers competing for housing ensures that most buyers of real estate are wealthy older white people making the town more and more a monoculture how are we going to solve this if cities do not do it on their own as Minneapolis has done in permitting duplexes and triplexes by right in every single family zoned District State legislatures increasingly are considering imposing housing requirements on cities as Oregon has done for example it is important when Council selects the next city manager that that person have the skill skill and experience to lead the city to

[24:00] achieve solutions to the housing crisis to implement the principles articulated by Council and then Implement them skillfully with planning staff to achieve Solutions will also require Council to clearly articulate those principles and not allow simply a drift from plan to plan and project to project there's a lot of work to be done and we all need to pull together to do it thank you Megan next we have Christopher cenno Susan Peterson and James Morris Christopher I don't see Christopher on the list Sam so we'll go with Susan Christopher if you are here and you are appearing under a different name please let me know in the Q&A box so that we know that you're here thank you I'll unmute Susan now Susan you should be able to unmute got

[25:01] it just got it thanks hi my name is Susan Peterson I'm a private citizen I am a member of the environmental Advisory board but I'm speaking to you on my own behalf with regard to the city manager selection given that we're in a climate emergency we must give a high priority to hiring a city manager who not only prioritizes environmental action but who has Dem a demonstrated track record in taking action to reduce red climate impacts and in taking action to address the impacts of the climate emergency in which we find ourselves globally and right here in Boulder it's the biggest crisis we face I respectfully request the city council put a high priority on experience in taking environmental action when hiring our new city manager thank you thank you Susan next we have James Morris Leslie glustrom and Fred Tomlin James

[26:06] I'm J Morris please continue Boulder's leadership in confronting global warming the ongoing fracking and excel's burning of coal and natural gas for electricity are major threats to people wildlife and ecosystem Boulder has pred Exel to do more Renewable Energy Boulder pushes advances in transportation how efficiency insulation and in Innovation pleas continue to lead the organizing to reduce global warming also please withdraw from the Rocky Mountain Greenway there are hot spots of plutonium contamination there at the nuclear weapons plant site and you could find more details at the Rocky Mountain peace and Justice Center links and from the info they sent there's lots of plutonium both deep under the ground and both being pushed by air and by water

[27:01] finally I oppose the CU South development it it's happening in a Wetlands it was supposed to be open space it requires millions of dollars worth of dirt to be filled to elevate cuu buildings it was done inappropriately and almost fraudulently by secretly trying to have see you because it's exempt from city and county regulations be able to go ahead and buy this property that was supposed to be open space so thank you all for the hard work you do must be really difficult for you to deal with so many issues and so many people and I appreciate you trying to deal with it especially those of you who sort of try and think of longer term things like wildlife and ecosystems thanks again bye thank you Jim and Brenda I'll turn to you and see if you want to check on the personal the phone great thank you Sam yes we do have

[28:01] one caller who joined us by phone um and I am no longer seeing that number that's the way it always works isn't it uh so I think we're all good thank you Sam yep next we have Leslie glustrom Fred Tomlin and David Takahashi Leslie uh I think we actually had Lucas schaer next oh I have them as withdrawing on my sorry about that my list has Lucas Schaefer withdrawing is Lucas in the meeting Lucas is in the meeting perfect let's hear from Lucas apologies for that Lucas I have bad information Lucas you should be able to unmute Lucas you should be a able to unmute oh I am also get y we can hear

[29:02] you Lucas I'm terribly sorry there was a mixup I I meant to sign up for the public hearing section which I did and I I I didn't get a chance to take my name off the open comment list sorry for sorry for that thanks good Lucas appreciate it so next we have Leslie glustrom Fred Tomlin and David Takahashi Leslie good evening Council lesie glustrom I live in Boulder and thank you as always for the incredible amount of work you do for our community and right now going through the searches for the the city manager and the City attorney on the long interviews I know it adds a lot of work on top of a lot of work so thank you so very much it's been a wild year and you've all been absolutely heroic so really appreciate it obviously we don't always agree that's not the point the point is you're working incredibly hard and and I'm I'm so grateful for that um I think in terms of the city manager you might guess that I would would like to make sure that we really use a strong filter on climate

[30:02] there are many many parts of the job we all know um I was seeing this afternoon it's a little bit like getting married you would never get married to somebody after like two hours of interview and you know then a zoom meeting with this or that so I think it requires Extra Care and extra discernment on your part because this is I think you understand the most important position probably in the city so it'll determine so many things about how we move forward on climate I just wanted just in case the candidates are listening I wanted to remind the community and the candidates that we have taxed ourselves six times to address climate 2006 the cap tax 2011 13 and 17 for the utility occupation tax 2015 we up the climate action plan tax and then I think most stunningly in 2020 in the middle of a pandemic we had 31,798 people in this community vote to

[31:01] tax themselves to continue and expand our climate programs that was 56.96 per of the V vote which I think we can call 57% they're not many communities willing to do that and I think the next city manager should recognize that I would love if they had a track record but if not please make sure that they have both a desire and a determination ask some hard questions anybody can say sure I care about climate but ask some tough questions and kind of try to probe them again I really appreciate everything you all do and uh I do look forward to meeting our new city manager so thank you thank you Leslie next Fred Tomlin David Takahashi and Ryan Harwood Fred I do not see Fred on our attendee list uh so I will move to David Takahashi good evening invis envisioning our new

[32:01] city manager our new city manager will be inheriting the challenge of 300 years of misguided waste disposal into Earth Systems as a result we experience wildfires along the Front Range flooding of biblical proportions and around us we have a torched Earth deros and a polar vortex freezing Texas wind turbin if you think that covid is bad covid is actually climate disruption on training wheels when hired she will be the liaison between the public and you our Council task Masters she will be seasoned enough to know that the public will be here after council members come and go she will be steeped in crisis management and know that when things come unraveled she will be count counting on the community fabric to flex

[33:00] with the uncertainty of a Relentless nature Unleashed she will appreciate how the general public stepped up to Katrina she will have studied the lessons from the Heatwave in Chicago she may have experienced the living hell of a runaway wildfire and she will have an appreciation that in these uncertain times she must count on bringing all hands on deck each in their appropriate time she will be a stage director and the stage will be our instable climate reaching unimaginable tipping points she will understand that our current predicament and the sustainable World prescribed by our comp plan will require some creative transitionally complex dance steps she will understand that putting Band-Aids on the symptoms is

[34:02] going to be necessary and she will understand that she needs to walk a bit upstream and begin engaging the root causes of this unstable time she will be thank you David I'm sorry your time is up appreciate your comments thank you everyone next we have Ryan Harwood Jan Burton and Lynn seagull Ryan ran you should be able to unmute awesome um can you hear me yes cool yeah this is Ryan from safe uh this weekend while the Boulder Police Department sorry about that Ryan let me get you back back on you are back

[35:02] on you should be able to unmute again Ryan Ryan are you there my apologies try again sorry Sam I can't be able I can't seem to get him back in I see him can you unmute him I I have tried multiple times we may be fighting our buttons here I tell you what why don't we move on and we'll come back to Ryan why don't you work with him in the Q&A or the chat and um next we have Jan Burton Lyn seagull and Roger poac Jan and I think Jan might be here under the open Boulder name I've gotten her name change so we're all set thank you good evening

[36:00] Council and mayor Weaver thank you for your work during these difficult times perhaps the most important decision you will make during your tenure on Council is the selection of our next city manager there are so many interest areas and priorities for a city our size the climate racial Equity housing and transportation the Arts and more I would urge you to consider more broad criteria in choosing the next chief administrator officer of the city of Boulder a candid a candidate with leadership skills vision and proven success in community engagement can solve many problems with Council support and policy decisions today millions of dollars being spent on community process yet many in the community don't feel their voices are heard dedicated boards and commission members often do not feel staff has an open mind to listening to their points before direction is taken and staffers leading Community engagement are sometimes viewed as a part of the city's

[37:00] Communications machine the Tipton report pointed to dissension and mistrust within the city's own departments and staff members fortunately we have the building blocks to solve many of these problems for example a detailed report by the public participation working group was approved unanimously by Council in June of 2017 when I was on Council but it never got properly implemented as you develop your criteria for the selection of our next chief administrator please consider his or her leadership skills ability to resolve conflict and experience and success in engaging the public in a proactive inclusive manner this can be a differen maker for the city of Boulder in the immediate and long-term future thank you so much thank you Jan next we will go back and I believe we have Christopher cenno in the meeting now we do Christopher you should be able to

[38:01] unmute and then Ryan Harwood will try you again after Mr cenno Christopher can you unmute yes thank you great so I want to thank the city council for keeping our parks uh usable uh I really appreciate the ability now to see kids playing in the Parks uh that that really wasn't the case just a month ago uh recently took a walk down at the library there were kids playing again by the library parents uh it was great to see so thank you for your hard work there um I've also been informed that there's a excuse me a parking lot permanent encampment that is planned currently at a church um I don't know if that's a real project uh

[39:00] the person discussing it said it was so that brings up a number of different issues if that's the case one issue would be how do you manage this how do you deal with the the crime aspect that's already been discussed by the police chief then obviously how do you uh police this type of encampment so thank you very much thank you Chris give me just a moment here I L are we going to try Ryan now let's try Ryan now Ryan you yeah I'm here great thank you sorry about that my fault Okie doy um yeah this is Ryan from safe uh this weekend while the Boulder Police Department was solving riddles safe Boulder sought to raise funds to provide emergency shelter in hotels to people experiencing homelessness we ended up raising over $10,000 way more than we expected in a few short days from

[40:01] Individual donations and collaborated with Boulder Valley Mutual Aid Boulder County Democratic socialists of America and comrade co-op in Denver to provide shelter for 78 people for a collective total of9 warm nights across Boulder Lafayette and Denver this group included many intersectionally marginalized people including Elders people of color lgbtq people disabled and chronically ill people families people from the shelter people without IDs and people suffering from frostbite I'd like to tell you a little more a little bit more about some of these folks Justin is a young man who stayed at the boulder shelter for the homeless on Saturday but was not able to stay another night because this Council enacted a rule that requires him to go through coordinated coordinated entry to stay more than one night unfortunately coordinated entry is closed on the weekends so he couldn't stay at the shelter on Sunday when it was below zero your decisions have consequences and that decision resulted in a young man with only lightweight winter gear being left out and Sub-Zero

[41:00] temperatures which as you very well know from the man who died on Thursday can be fatal one of our friends we got a room for has cancer she's getting a blood transfusion as we speak and her doctor told her she needs to stay off the streets for a few days as part of her recovery unfortunately she cannot stay at the boulder shelter for the homeless because she attempted to access Services last year but hadn't lived in Boulder for 6 months prior so she is now banned from services for two years why this arbitrary unnecessary cruelty to a homeless cancer patient while shelter beds are empty because of decisions made by this council at the recommendation of City's staff I have many more horror stories from this weekend but I wanted to give you a brief update on the great work you are all are doing in criminalizing homelessness and facilitating human suffering thank you thank you Ryan next we have Lyn seagull Roger poac and jelle herzfeld Lyn I do not see Lynn in the meeting at

[42:02] the moment Lynn if you're here under a different name please let me know in the Q&A box instead we will go to Roger Roger you should be able to unmute now okay can everybody hear me yes great council members mayor Weaver thank you for your time tonight my name is Roger posac and I live with my family in the Valhalla neighborhood near the boulder Reservoir as you may know last week Josh Diner withdrew his application for a liquor license at the boulder Reservoir facility of the 100 petitions that Josh sent out to Neighbors in a one M radius 55 were filled out and returned to the bla and every single one of them stated no need and no desire for a liquor license at the reservoir there were also dozens of other petition I sent from Neighbors and they too were overwhelmingly negative toward a liquor

[43:00] license there were even residents in the city of Boulder that sent an emails in opposition how do we get here let me explain the city of Boulder parks and recreation used a leas negotiated with Josh Diner to backd Door extended operating hours and private parties with alcohol at the reservoir facility without public knowledge that's how it happened once the public found out about these the lease we mobilize by writing letters to city council speaking at City Council meetings inviting City Council Members to our neighborhood writing letters to the Daily Camera all to get the leaste pulled up for review and change finally through the bla process we were heard no desire no need for a liquor license at the reservoir I need five City Council Members to join me to pull up the lease and make changes the public does not want more alcohol and does not want late night hours at the res let's move forward and focus on what people do want and desire you have my

[44:01] contact info I'd be happy to help one last thing I ask you mayor Weaver the way the lease was used to circumvent public input is that how you want the city of Boulder to operate back room deals being made I may be wrong about you Sam but I don't think that's what you want policies procedures for public participation are there for a reason and that is to avoid the huge mess that we just went through thank you thank you Roger next we have jelle herzfeld um Annie Lee and Mur and I'll just say before we move on that I believe Annie Lee has withdrawn but um jelle you're up next hi can you hear me yes hi thank you for the opportunity to speak today I'm speaking on behalf of the Rocky Mountain peace and Justice Center and I have three topics I would like to draw attention to today the first is the Rocky Mountain Greenway we continue to voice the concerns of the

[45:00] public regarding the health and safety hazards of allowing the public to recreate on Rocky Flats particularly via a mountain biking trail intended to go around the most contaminated part of the EPA Superfund Site while we acknowledge and understand that the Boulder City Council has a lot on its plate right now we strongly urge the city council to conduct a study session prior to finalizing any decision regarding the city of Boulder's continued participation in this project secondly we are here to stand in solidarity with our allies in the community who are speaking out about the tremendous amount of work that needs to be done to address issues of racial inequality in our community we would particularly like to voice Our concern regarding the continued disproportionate arrests of people of color and Boulder as well as the increased amount of our City's budget that has been allocated to policing this is especially unacceptable when we compare our City's 2021 policing budget of 36.8 million to the combined amount of City funds being allocated to housing and Human Services library and arts communication and engagement totaling 18.3 million that's half as

[46:01] much as the city's police budget we believe that police funds should be reduced and reallocated to programs and services that help our communities to attain social and Financial Security and stability and that this is very necessary conversation to have if we ever want to attain True Justice and Equity lastly we want to thank our allies who have continued to be strong advocates in our community for the need for the city to do more to help our unhoused neighbors temperatures dropped below zero this past weekend and it is our moral responsibility to do whatever it takes to ensure that every unhoused person has a safe warm place to go especially when temperatures are this dangerously cold not having a home should never be a crime punishable by death when we let people freeze to death We are failing in our moral duty to protect those who are the most vulnerable thank you for hearing me today thank you jelle next we have Misha tour and Brad seagull Misha I do not see Misha on the list so we'll go ahead to Brad um Fred Tomlin

[47:01] Lyn seagull or Misha tour if you are here under a different name please let me know in the Q&A so that we can get you um in before we end open comment and Brad I will go ahead and unmute you now you should be able to unmute Brad hi can you hear me we can great um I'm Brad D seagull a 40-year boulder resident from South Boulder um thanks for the opportunity to comment I want to thank you all for the hard work you do it's a tough job my comments basically reinforce previous commentary regarding a need for a city manager with strong climate abilities climate remediation abilities and motivation as noted in previous comments climate is probably our highest long-term priority obviously have we have lots of local priorities that that need uh attention from a city manager we have to have someone who can multitask

[48:00] we have housing issues local economy safety Equity environment Transportation flood plane management growth it goes on and on but none of this is going to mean a hill of beans if we don't solve the climate deal and we all know that uh now we need to make sure that the city manager does and we'll work on this and some of the previous speakers have talked about that especially Lesley uh covid is huge for example and you might notice how much trouble we've had with that over the last year it's been terrible for our economy our health our quality of life this is nothing compared to what climate change is going to be and I know you all know this but let's make sure we get someone who can work on this issue really with some good skills as per my email comments I sent to you on Friday finalists must be have demonstrated skills and motivation not just talk it's got to be a walk we're moving into a very tricky period right now we're in an inflection point we got a new deal going on and this person's going to have to be able to work

[49:00] Regulators like puc EXL state legislator fredal opportunities can't just be going through the motions uh we're trying to get to 100% Renewables by 2030 it won't be easy it's the right thing to do and we have a strong mandate from voters remember 54,000 people on both sides of the of the franchisees you wanted this to happen so let's make it happen as I said my email it'll be a lot easier if we have the right person to lead us uh thanks a lot for listening and best of luck with this difficult selection thank you Brad and with that we will bring open comment to a close and I will turn to staff and see if staff has any uh comments or feedback thanks Sam good evening council members just one item for me which is on this several speakers that uh talked about the city manager selection process there is an opportunity for community members to meet the candidates uh and if

[50:00] you go to the city website and click on the calendar uh you can find that item on the calendar where you can sign up to receive the link uh for the meeting as well as uh you can submit questions in advance of that meeting if you'd like to so that's the only item for me tonight thank you Chris Tom uh thank you Sam I do not have anything else very good and turning to council I see Rachel and Aaron Rachel thanks Sam um I just had a couple follow-up questions about a couple of a speakers questions on homelessness um I was concerned about coordinated entry being closed on Sunday I wanted to double check is that is that how things are working because that certainly is problematic so that was one and then number two I wanted um to see I I would think that somebody with um cancer could maybe stay um at the CRC right now so wanted to know if that's true and if so if we can better um communicate that to the community and

[51:00] people who might need um need a a more medical place to stay Thank you Rachel I see Kurt here Kurt would you like to respond uh good evening Council Kurt fernow director of Housing and Human Services um so coordinated entry um uh as the speaker mentioned you get sort of a free night and then um you need to go to coordinated entry if coordinated entry hadn't been opened during the time um then they they um give you a pass on that so if you're there on the weekend and coordinate entry isn't open you were there the night before then they'll they'll give you a pass um as far as the individual um with cancer um so originally you're correct the CRC um uh earlier in 2020 we were using for individuals that weren't necessarily covid positive but needed to um either stay isolated or um recover from some

[52:01] sort of serious illness we haven't done that in the last couple of months because we've had so many um we we've had a much larger number of positives um staying at the at the CRC however uh the hotel program um since the season opened the 1 of October um is we have 25 rooms every night and those rooms are actually targeted for individuals um who have some either chronic condition or are elderly or are at some risk health risk um related to covid someone with a a condition is described by that speaker would be well placed um and it's actually designed for individuals like that um in the in the hotel rooms which we have available every night uh thanks for that clarification so it might be worth I don't know checking in with a shelter about how well we're communicating I know we don't run the shelter but if people could have

[53:02] had places to stay that night and and weren't able to that's um that's unsafe and unfortunate and then one other question um I somebody asked about safe parking and wanted to ask Tom like if a uh church and nonprofit want to run a um safe parking or sanction encampment the city doesn't have any say over that is that correct like we can't um other than if if something arose you know we would respond to it but is it accurate that it's not really a jurisdiction with that call with that added bit at the end there um this this it doesn't violate our camping ordinance for someone while allow camping on their own property uh but there could be other ordinance violations that we would obviously respond to thanks is that it Rachel very good Aaron uh thanks Rachel asked my question

[54:00] about coordinated entry appreciate that answer Kurt um but just while I got the floor uh Chris thanks for announcing the city manager event just wanted to I don't believe you mentioned the date and time that's going to be uh Thursday the 25th from 6: pm to 7:30 pm. so I hope lots of community members can come join us for a question and answer session with the candidates great thank you for that Aaron seeing no other hand I will close open comment then and turn back to Alicia all right sir our next item on our agenda is the consent agenda which is items a through J very good and I will turn to council and see if there are any questions or comment or a motion for passing the consent agenda h mark all right um I have a question

[55:00] concerning the supplemental appropriation uh with respect to uh newer the legal representation um as I read this the the memo on it uh it appears that there's a possibility that we will not be standing up the tax structure to collect funds for newer until 2022 um and I was a you know an advocate of putting funds up in advance of the tax collections in order to um get things going uh but my question is um how will the appropriation of a million $30,000 this year be repaid um if in fact we're not um implementing the tax until 2022 thanks Mark for that question Cara Skinner from our finance department is here hi thank you cara Skinner Assistant

[56:02] Director of Finance can you hear me okay yes absolutely okay great so um we are still working out what mechanism we're going to use to collect this tax and if in fact we don't start collecting the tax um until 2022 between now and the regularly scheduled ATB in May adjustment to base in may we will devise a recommended repayment plan for council's consideration to the general fund and it might be over two years or three years or something like that but um so that's what we're going to determine the mechanism first which might result in US generating some tax revenue during 2021 and if that's not true we will come back to you with that repayment plan okay um so it's not simply an appropriation it's an appropriation with the expectation of repayment correct okay thank you you've answered my question thank you Mark uh Rachel and

[57:02] Bob Rachel yeah I had a couple questions on um agenda item H landmarking designation for 90 rapo and with landmarks I know there's you know the Quasi judicial so I'm not sure when the right time to ask questions is if it's now or at the next hearing so that's my first question what what am I um what can I ask about tonight you can go ahead and ask questions and we'll just put them as make them make sure the answers are part of the public record okay so thanks for that um it I was a little bit confused in the application like it was ini initially applied for in 2017 so I was wondering why it took so long whether it's the um owner who applied in 2017 is the owner now and do we still is this still um an own owner uh requested landmarking so that's kind of two

[58:00] questions who's who's requesting it and why the delay um and is it still operating as a motel and then in 2018 there were some pictures of showing um either a request or an approval for sort of Rehabilitation and I wasn't sure did that happen um is that on the table like where's that um and then kind of jumping this is a more broad maybe philosophical question um I don't know if Tom can answer it or not but if I jump ahead on the agenda I think we're going to pass the racial Equity plan tonight and I wonder like how just something like landmarking going to sync with racial Equity plan goals um and and broadly with the transportation TMP goals and housing goals um except I'm looking at something like this and um you know I see landmarking a single story building with a lot of parking um I just want to know

[59:02] how does that sync up with our other goals and when do we look at that in a landmarking um application how do we take that into account in these reviews so those are my questions so so Rachel let me ask you a question about your questions is it okay if we um take those forward and answer them the night of the hearing I think so yeah okay super so I will assume Chris that someone from staff has got those questions and if not okay super all right Rachel thank you anything else okay Bob two unrelated items one was the one that Mark raised and mark thank you for asking the question Cara can I just want to make sure I fully understand your answer to Mark um and so um I understand that we're gonna allocate the money now which I'm fine with but um will the tax even if the tax is not collected until later this year or even in 2022 will be retroactive to January 1 in other words will we be collecting tax for all of

[60:02] 20121 from the applicable taxpayers eventually yes and and what that population exactly looks like is still under discussion too but yes we're anticipating that the effective date of the tax would be uh 2021 great so so for example if we don't if we administratively we need till 2022 to kind of get this in place it's possible that some of the relevant taxpayers might um make a double payment for 2021 and 2022 or something like that right potentially but I I think not I think the way that the once it once the um they likely will only make one payment each year it's just it might be in AAR so they may pay in 2022 for 21 pay in 2023 for 2022 I got okay thank you completely unrelated to that I want to make a comment on 3F um there was a request by the uh

[61:00] Council agenda committee a few weeks ago for anyone interested in serving on the uh subcommittee for the attorney City attorney recruitment I raised my hand as did Mark as did Rachel um it occurs to me that a committee of three is a little awkward might be entirely Nimble and I have tremendous confidence in Mark and Rachel to do that so I'm going to withdraw my um my request to serve on that committee and would support 3F if we limit it to uh Mark and Rachel super thank you very much Bob Rachel is your hand a leftover or new it's new I just wanted to um thank Bob for that he has uh stepped out of the way for me to be on at least one other committee see you South and um I appreciate that that he um makes room in that way so thank you Bob thank you Rachel and then Tom I'll turn to you did you have alternate motion language for this I'm trying to

[62:01] recall yes Sam I did I posted it on hotline today and I can read that if that's convenient I think that would be good thank you I'm just pulling it up now um motion to create a City attorney recruitment subcommittee pursuant to Charter section nine with all authority provided there under and to appoint council members friend and wallik to that committee and to ratify any actions taken between February 2 2021 and the present very good so I would entertain a motion to amend the consent agenda to replace item f with what Tom just put out there Aaron go ahead and move the consent agenda except with 3F change to the language that Tom just used thank you Aon Bob we second that very good so we have a motion and a second on the consent agenda as amended Alicia I believe this is a show of hands is that correct yes sir it is and Tom Bob I see

[63:02] your hand still up is that a leftover leftover Super Sam this is a roll call Item J is a second reading okay beautiful thank you Tom thank you for catching that Tom so let's do a roll call vote Alicia righty council member stick hi wallik hi Weaver hi Gates yes young yes Brock Hi friend yes Joseph yes Nel I the consent agenda is approved unanimously sir excellent as amended as amended thank

[64:06] you all right our next item is item four callup check-in item a is a consideration of a proposal to add a deck and replace windows at rear replace chimney and paint brick at 1740 Sunset Boulevard and individual landmark h2020 d339 thank you Alicia um Council any interest in calling this up seeing no I think we're ready to move on Alicia thank you sir our next item is the public hearings item a declaration honoring Black History Month to be presented by council member friend and consideration of a motion to adopt the racial Equity plan and its supporting goal goals strategies activities and outcomes great I think Chris this is over to you yeah thank you Sam uh and um

[65:03] we're really excited to bring this item forward to P tonight before I turn it over to Amy Kane and Ryan Hans and Rachel for the Declaration uh I just want to share that uh this is another step in in the city's journey to uh the in the work that we're doing related to racial Equity uh and uh I just want to appreciate uh Amy's leadership uh on this item as well as uh that of the entire team so with that I will turn it over to you Amy thank you Chris that was really sweet um thank you all thank you so much Council for having us back yet again to discuss the consideration of adoption of the city's first racial Equity plan I'm hoping that the PowerPoint can be pulled up if that hasn't happened already excellent there it is there it is yay um so with

[66:00] that our planning team was intentional in bringing the plan to you for adoption during the month of February to align with black history month this was planned out last year when we were gearing up to um start meeting with a racial Equity engagement working group so February is a month to recognize and celebrate the too often ignored and underrepresented accomplishments of black Americans and every aspect of American History this is a time for all of us to not only reflect on history and the accomplishes accomplishments of so many who have laid down their lives and made numerous sacrifices for freedom but it is also an opportunity for you to recommit to dismantling institutional and systemic barriers that prevent us from truly having a country committed to liberty and justice for all adoption of the racial Equity plan tonight is your opportunity to continue your commitment to advance racial Equity as outlined in resolution 1275 the racial Equity Plan before you

[67:02] is not perfect by any means but it is a start this racial Equity plan represents a milestone for our city government and community in the work to advance racial Equity this Touchstone document reflects significant Community input heard in recent years and strategizes steps that the city must take to eliminate systemic and institutional racism in its policies practices and financial decisions this initial racial Equity plan is a necessary next step in this vital work some of this work is already underway and represents small steps in what will certainly be a long iterative journey we fully acknowledge that achieving the long-term outcomes included in this plan will not be easy and that substantial effort over the next three years and Beyond will be needed to further address racism within our city operation s we are immensely grateful for the institutional partners and community members who have been instrumental in

[68:01] shaping this racial Equity plan through cont contributing their lived experience and perspective identifying areas of most significant impact and strategizing how to move the needle and advancing racial Equity across our community we appreciate your partnership and accountability as we move forward with this crucial racial Equity work but before we move move forward with our presentation about the draft racial or the racial Equity plan I want to step back so our colleague and council member Rachel friend can read and propose adoption of a declaration about Black History Month next slide we can wait on that Rachel you want to go yeah thanks so much Amy and I also want to thank um Taylor Ryman who worked so hard putting this together and always does great research for city council declaration so thank you to Taylor if you're watching okay um the

[69:00] Declaration is as follows Black History Month February 16th 2021 the origin of Black History Month began in 1915 half a century after the 13th amendment abolished slavery in the United States the month of Celebration and honor grew out of negro history week which was created by Carter G Woodson and other founding members members of the association for the study of negro life and history the second week in February was chosen for its overlap with the birthdays of Abraham Lincoln and F Frederick Douglas with the civil rights movement and a growing awareness of black identity black history month or National africanamerican History Month evolved to an annual celebration of achievements by black Americans and a time for recognizing the central role of African Americans in US history this this year's theme for Black History Month recognizes black family representation identity and diversity and explores the African

[70:01] dispora the spread of black families across the United States centuries of this forced migration is most notably traced back to the Atlantic slave trade and the enslavement of Africans and their descendants in the Americas despite the historic atrocities and continued inequities faced by black Americans their contributions hail from all all walks of life and have made Unforgettable marks in our nation as artists scientists Educators entrepreneurs influential thinkers members of the faith community athletes and Civic leaders and are reflected in the greatness of our community we the city council of the city of Boulder Colorado declare February 2021 as Black History Month and encourage everyone in the community to join in honoring and celebrating by seeking out and taking in Black culture and history supporting blackowned businesses and taking time to reflect on

[71:00] what black history means to each of each of us this month and all year thank you thank you Rachel and I'm just gonna jump in here and point out to the public that um when we take open comment please comment on whether you think we should adopt this as Council or not so we will be making a motion I expect at the end to adopt it and if any commenters have an interest in this we'll hear what you have to say at the public hearing on this Amy I think back to you Sam yes J before you go to Amy I just wanted to um to add and I just wanted to thank Rachel for this um declaration and also the rest of council as well and I just wanted to add um for people in the community who are looking for I guess as mentioned Rachel I I mean as Rachel mentioned for something substantive as it relates to uh Black History Month I just wanted to share that I've been

[72:00] invited to an event that's happening on the 27th of this month and it's called U it's by the executive committee for African-American cultural events and it will be it will which will be holding their 2021 Boulder Public Boulder County black history celebration the event will premere on YouTube 30 this year it's virtual so everyone in the community can participate the celebration will highlight and reflect on contribution of countless African-American men and women in our country it's free for everyone anyone can participate and if you need more information from someone in the community there's this lady called Madeline uh strong Woodley and her phone number is seven 20841 1654 thank you

[73:02] juny okay Amy I think back to you cool Judy thank you for that information that's really exciting um and Rachel thank you so much for that declaration you read it beautifully um so my name is Amy Kane and my pronouns are she her and hers I identify as a white cisgender female and I have been working with community staff team members in our organization since just working to create this plan my passion lies with this critical work and breaking down barriers that exist for black brown and Indigenous people who have his been historically excluded from government since our democracy began and with that I'm going to ask my colleague Ryan to introduce himself please good evening Council my name is Ryan Hansen my pronouns are heem I'm a white cisgender man and I'm dedicated to strengthening our democracy by ining access to meaningful and inclusive community engagement that shapes City

[74:00] decision-making next slide please so since the last time we were here in December we have done a number of edits to the original draft of this plan and tonight we're here to address the feedback from our last time together to do a deeper dive in the accountability measures of the plan as requested and to utilize this time as an opportunity to begin closing the loop with Community who have been instrumental in this work next slide please so the last time that we were here you all provided comments and questions which I would like to address at this time Council suggested increased acknowledgement of the con contrib the contributions of Jane Bram former city manager and Tanya Angie former deputy city manager is they were instrumental in bringing this work and this programming to the city of Boulder after discussion amongst our team members it was determined that this work was accomplished because of the contributions of so many including

[75:02] community members and giving additional real estate to two white women felt in congruent with what we were trying to achieve additionally knowing the commitment to this work that both Jane and Tanya have we feel that ultimately they would agree with this decision so another request was to include the raw numbers in the Census Data if possible and so as you all know the most recent census data um from 2020 has yet to be released so the team felt like this was an area where we would like to focus and once that is information is available we can add that as an update to the plan at an upcoming council meeting there was also a lot of questions about providing more thought and inclusion of the Immigrant population and so while we are focusing our energy on immigrant populations as mentioned by the equity Community connectors and residents at the council Retreat and as our membership with the cities for Action so cities for Action

[76:00] is a coalition of nearly 200 US Mayors and County Executives who advocate for pro-immigrant federal policies and launching Innovative inclusive programs and policies at the local level I participate in their monthly meetings as well as popup meetings as relevant information is being discussed nationally for example in planning for covid-19 vaccination distribution and communication that is going that is critical for immigrant populations another question that we had was really around data disaggregation as we mentioned this in the accountability section of the updated plan and this really also plans for collecting some of that Baseline data so on page 24 of the plan itself you will see a simplified version of our logic model with shortterm outcomes and collecting and analyzing meaningful data is a key area where we need to not only collect relevant data disaggregated by race and ethnicity but we aim to coordinate Data Systems to understand and track needs

[77:00] and impacts so as you can all well imagine this is going to be a huge lift um but it's critical to our work ahead and necessary for everything that we're trying to accomplish so mark this one is for you this is about fixing our typos and we went through the plan with a fine tooth comb and with every review we do find another typo um so we also had members of the community who were diligent in assisting us with their feedback and for that we were hugely grateful and yet today we still identified some additional typos which we will be collecting and and uh correcting as soon as our design colleague is back in the office so for those of you who have already attended our bias of microaggression Workshop you all know that we celebrate our mistakes and that we also take action on them and move forward um it's really important that and we do believe that calling people in in order to change hearts and Minds is necessary

[78:00] to this work and so we won't be calling out our colleagues in our mistakes so thank you for that if I can have the next slide please there was a request for more concrete actions and so we hope that you see in the plan under the goals and strategies individual action items that are outlined in addition to those that are outlined in the very extensive detailed logic model we also want to leave a little bit of space for or action items that we have yet to identify that will help support those goals and strategies as we all know things can really change from year to year and we want to ensure that we that we're being mindful of that we didn't know that there was going to be a pandemic and yet here we are and that's changed our focus with our racial Equity work considerably so Sam you had asked about a cultural center and as much as we think that this sounds like an amazing idea and we'd really love to do this um we felt like at this point this is something that we are going to table for

[79:00] future iterations so we can really gauge from community and potential Partners on what this would take to make that work a reality and ensuring um that we're really working with community in this space and can resource it appropriately so eventual Equity um having racial Equity as part of the sustainability and resilience framework was another asked that we heard and so what we thought would be helpful you may have noticed in the final iteration um of the plan we tied the racial Equity plan to various plans in the city the county state as well as the federal orders and we also tied it to our sustainability and resilience fra framework because this was just revised a couple of years ago um and until we know what the plan revision for that will be in the future U we tied it to the framework and are super hopeful that this is included as part of that framework in the the future we're not just hopeful we'll work towards that um there's also a focus on reframing and providing documentation of land use

[80:01] concerns on that nesty page 15 um that was where we spent the bulk of our conversation last time we were here and so um as part of that last meeting um the members of The Guiding Coalition committed to taking on that particular body of work and um and helping finesse it through through The Guiding Coalition so on January 5th the racial Equity guiding Coalition hosted a special meeting where they had robust discussion about the racial history of the city of Boulder and they made a lot of suggestions for editing staff took this feedback and they Incorporated what you see in the revised racial history that you see outlined in the plan today so now I'm going to hand it back over to my colleague Ryan um so he can talk about how we've addressed some of the accountability concern concerns that were expressed in December and Community engagement so next slide please thank you Amy we heard from our

[81:03] community over and over that this racial Equity plan is only as good as accompanying accountability mechanisms that help ensure tangible progress and to honor this feedback we've included the following to further strength and accountability for the implementation of this plan within the logic model many outcomes include a measurable output as reflected in the logic model establishing measurements and collecting this Baseline data is a top priority outcomes will also be measured in results from staff racial Equity training assessments as well as the city's by annual community survey where results will be disaggregated by race and analyzed by Trends over time additionally many outputs will be further developed through departmental racial Equity plans recognizing need to measure outcomes quantitatively and qualitatively staff also plan to co-design and co-host as an annual

[82:00] series of focus groups listening sessions with commun members of color to hear more about their lived experience as well as the impacts of the city's work to advance racial Equity City staff plan to provide an update on this work to council each year this update will include progress on outcomes how racial Equity priorities determined decisions challenges faced and accomplishments propose next steps and adjustments to short-term midterm and long-term outcomes in response to council feedback may also be included updates will be publicly available through series of digestable mediums for community members such as videos brief online overviews or Community Gatherings and as we move forward over the next three years this living plan will continue to reflect the community's goals after 3 years the plan will be updated to reflect changes in circumstances Community desires and new

[83:00] priorities next slide please and you can see in in Boulder's decision-making process uh the wheel on on the right hand side here tonight we are in Step seven of Boulder's decision-making process make a decision and if in when Council decides to adopt this racial Equity plan we'll move into step eight communicate decision and rationale and to share this decision with the community and to close the loop on input we've sought from community members a draft communication plan will be further fleshed out this plan will focus on Deep Reach uh with participants who Shar their perspectives and lived experience as part of this process partner organizations who committed to support focus groups and who are closely with with community members of color and our racial Equity engagement working group who is instrumental throughout this process specific Outreach plans may

[84:01] include bilingual Spanish English video on Nota Boulder and inside Boulder news SOS Boulder Cod podcast or social media on the city's Spanish language Facebook page as this racial Equity plan will serve as a touchstone document for our entire Community we also include an announcement in our Citywide newsletter and social media Communications we'll also share this progress with institutional Partners locally as well as across the gar uh Network Nationwide next slide please so before I open it up if you all have any questions and and we go to public feedback I want to apologize to our interpreters this evening I have a tendency to talk very fast um and was coached to do that to not do that at the beginning of the meeting so I just wanted to offer an apology to our interpreter friends on the line tonight

[85:01] so thank you for that so does council have any questions or do we need to roll on to public comment Sam thank you Amy let's find out council members any questions mark and then Aaron mark Mark you're on mute like I was all right it was my turn um Amy to what extent um was Community feedback funneled through the be herd Boulder um site and was was that the The major portion of community feedback that you got no sir in fact we had minimal engagement with the be herd Boulder site most of the community engagement that you saw attached to the memo and throughout the racial Equity plan was with Community Partners um that that were outlined in that plan okay thank

[86:00] you that yeah it's good Ryan probably knows better the statistics okay you you captured the the big picture Amy we had a many more folks through small focus group conversations and feedback sessions got it okay that's terrific thank you thank you you Aaron where are you uh Aman ran thanks so much for that uh presentation and for all of your amazing work on this plan I'm very very appreciative my one question is so we have the the goals and strategies and they're great goals and their great strategies and then we have the full logic model which has uh many many different implementation steps which is very detailed and I also appreciate that there's one thing that I didn't see and I may well have missed it but I wouldn't ask about it so uh strategy 5.1 is to address board's commissions and work working groups and one of the bullet points in that is to identify and mitigate barriers in the Operation board commission working group meetings like

[87:00] times of day frequency locations days of the week Etc and that's something that I've had my eye on for years as a potential barrier for folks who want to participate in those organizations but I didn't see anything in the full logic model about following up on that strategy um what's your thought about a plan for getting that done personally I have a passion for that particular particular set of work particularly after working with the police oversight task force over the past couple of years and just the challenges um getting the times and getting the people to even have the capacity to participate in that process so that's one of my top priorities um I would like to see that start rolling out this year as you can well imagine that is an giant um giant project but I think it's one of our number one priorities personally great so but does it need to be in the full logic model to make sure outlined in the logic

[88:01] model in a point but it doesn't have the specific year okay okay yeah great well I'm glad to hear about that I'm glad to hear your on it that's one of my biggest caries that's I complain about it a lot it is one of those barriers I'm glad you're working sure yeah very good Council any other questions before we go to our public hearing great seeing none we will turn to our public hearing um we have our first three speakers are Katherine faran Liz morasco and Taylor gar Catherine thank you Sam and I'll just remind our speakers um to speak slowly and to breathe between sentences thank you Brenda and I will point out as you're bringing up um Katherine that we have two minutes per speaker because we have 19 speakers tonight thank you and Catherine you should be able to unmute now thank you

[89:03] oh that's That's Heavy rule that's a heavy rule you just said um okay I'll try to breathe um my name is Katie Faron I'm speaking tonight to urge you to adopt the racial Equity plan and make tangible policy and budget changes and obviously to adopt the um the measure that Rachel fr brought up tonight about Black History Month um Community input planning study and debate have a time in place but they must lead to policy change as a white person who owns a home here and raises a family here I see it as my responsibility to do what I can to protect my town and we need to start seeing racial Equity as a matter of basic protection for our long-term stability in the region because Housing Opportunity education and criminal justice gaps that we have here um you know as a result of Decades of policy and budget decisions long before this current Council are all huge risks to our economic sustainability other

[90:00] communities are seeing that because racial inequity is systemic it's baked in because of common approaches communities take to wealth protection to zoning to City Planning Boulder is not unique in its challenges Boulder has a wealth and ability to allocate reallocate resources to home ownership business opportunities community centers leadership and government order for us to become stronger to be a true economic Center to become a place people can Envision launching new ideas in a place where young families can imagine living in growing up in and working in there are barriers to all of these things that fall on along color lines that we can actually address through policy and when we make policy around Equity we strengthen Boulder's resiliency and its cultural position in the region policy and budget that is where racial inequity lives we we can't change hearts and Minds we can change policy and the first step is approving the racial Equity plan we still make choices and we still impact lives when we accept status quo

[91:00] arguments that do not have long-term economic Vision when we stay in the study and planning phase and and as a result of accepting those status quo arguments that is also a decision and that is also a choice let's not make that choice thank you thank you Katie next we have Liz morasco Taylor G and Cor whis more Liz Liz you should be able to unmute now oh thank you I started speaking okay thank you council members um so on the first page of the racial Equity plan in the letter from The Guiding committee it says the work of dismantling institutional racism will require that some of us give up some comfort and power nevertheless without doing so we cannot live up to our stated values I also saw in the uh plan all of the ways by which we intend to measure success so the number of trainings hiring quotas coalitions things of that nature but I

[92:02] did not see how this plan asked anyone to really give up comfort and power as you stated in the letter I think you're right that racial Equity will me will mean that people have to give up comfort and power but let's not fool ourselves that doesn't mean we force people to sit in trainings it means money and it means land right now as we're holding this meeting there are community members who are doing the work they lead their communities they know the problems inside and out they know the solutions occasionally these community members are tapped to sit on a board or a commission or they'll be offered an inadequate stien to share their expertise time and emotional labor as yet another government representative asks them to for their input on yet another initiative and then nothing changes we should reallocate our resources to support the members of the community who actually know how to get us closer to racial Equity why are we Reinventing the wheel giving up comfort and power doesn't mean that comfort and power just disappear it can get transferred let's start actually transferring comfort and power please adopt the racial Equity plan the city can no doubt accomplish

[93:02] everything in this plan and we will be better for it but even a perfect execution of this plan will not achieve anything close to racial equity in our city the only way to do that is by long-term sustained serious investment in the community and a great place to find those funds is in our enormous police budget taking money from the police budget and reallocating it directly to communities of color will help get us where we need to go that would be a real transfer of comfort and power thank you thank you Liz next we have Taylor gar Coro whis Moore and Lauren grth Taylor thank you I'm Taylor I'm an organizer for Boulder surge after George Floyd's murder this summer there was another Collective outcry from well-meaning people asking how do we address racism and police violence the message from the group leading the fight against this violence clear defund the police instead of listening with humility this was met with hysteria

[94:00] largely surrounding the fear that the movement is too radical history shows us that labeling movements towards Justice is radical has been one of the most effective tactics against them if we can free ourselves from the mental paralysis the label radical induces and truly trust bipo activists we'll see just how obvious an approach like defunding the police is Mark wallet characterized calls to defund as devaluing the significance of Public Safety this shows he's not even trying because Public Safety is what the whole movement is about pilot programs like Cahoots and the star program in Denver have shown time again that Public Safety can be provided better and with less money and less racist outcomes than policing thank you Aaron for proposing this this racial Equity plan is a start but real commitment to racial Equity is shown through the budget the police budget is

[95:00] by far the biggest General expense at 36.8 million and one of the only departments to receive increased ongoing spending I'm urging for a serious expl examination into how police funds can be reallocated and that effort should be led by bipo and unhoused community members and activists a great place to start would be to restore the funds to Community Partners on the police master plan you defunded maybe restore the $300,000 in Human Services Grants you cut the council's contempt for the smallest no cost baby steps to address housing gives me little confidence that there's a real desire to truly address racial Equity adopt the plan and do something thank you Taylor next we have Cor Lis Moore Lauren grath and Chelsea castiano cor hi there my name is cor whis Moore

[96:01] I'm a cisgender woman and I'm white speaking to you on daa Cheyenne and Arapaho land commonly known as Table Mesa I've lived in several majority white cities like Boulder and they're dealing with a similar Legacy of inequitable races policies often using racial Equity plans and policymaking tools as proposed here um and I thank you for that work this is a great start many of them though first addressed what I think of as an obvious Target changing policies that are widely known across the country to contribute to inequitable racial outcomes I assumed that this plan would provide a timeline and strategy for revising and dismantling Boulders inequitable policies and I was concerned when I didn't even see those policies that are acknowledged in the History Section addressed in the logic model by name to be honest I don't think that this is acceptable it's common knowledge from analogous Equity efforts that policies like height restrictions single family zoning occupancy limits and green belting require priority revision reviewing these policies needs to be

[97:01] clear and prominent section of this plan and probably should have been an earlier step in this whole process I encourage you to hire and appoint experienced Community leaders and Experts of color to revise City policies and budget immediately and critically to act on their expertise by incorporating their priorities into this next plan's timeline committing yourself Boulder residents of color these policies have direct negative impacts on bipac and low-income community members keeping Boulder exclusionary and limited in diversity we need to not only acknowledge the racist history of Boulder but work promptly and courageously to repair this Legacy in our most obviously unjust policies thank you thank you cor next we have Lauren grth Chelsea castiano and Riley manuso Lauren hi um thank you for the opportunity to speak this evening I wanted to start off by expressing first my appreciation to staff the working group and community members who have

[98:00] done such great work on the racial Equity plan I'm particularly grateful to their commitment to acknowledging and examining the history of racial exclusion in Boulder and pushing our community to do the same I'm speaking tonight because I am a Community member and property owner in Boulder and I wholeheartedly support the adoption of the racial Equity plan and the Declaration I ask that the Council commit to adopting the plan with all of its current language included but I also want to take this opportunity to ask city council to make the Russ racial excuse me Equity plan the first step in a much broader effort of acknowledging the ways that our City's practices and policies consciously and unconsciously perpetuate inequality and to commit to taking real step towards rectifying those inequalities this requires a commitment to trying TR to truly V vulnerable conversations and as the plan notes a willingness to give up some measure of comfort and Power in the pursuit of a more equal and inclusive community and it requires city leaders to truly acknowledge and name the ways that

[99:00] well-meaning policy decisions have contributed to the perpetuation of racism in our community addressing racial inequality in Boulder also requires more than just plans and honest conversation it requires actively dedicating our resources to this effort we can't dismantle systemic racism through short-term grants temporary efforts at Community engagement or good intentions City Council has to be willing to make long-term investments in bipac communities and we have to be willing to allocate real money in our budget towards improving equal access to resources in our community the good news is that there are amazing Community organizations and bipo leaders already doing this work and as another speaker noted we don't have to reinvent the wheel we need to trust their insights and recommendations and allow them to Lead City Council in these efforts while adopting the racial Equity plan is a good first step I'm asking city council to continue this hard work through real policy and budgetary decisions that reflect a commitment towards addressing racial inequality thank you thank you Lauren next we have Chelsea castiano Riley manuso and Mason Roberts

[100:05] Chelsea um hi my name is Chelsea Castellano and an organizer with bedrooms are for people a ballot initiative that will expand access to housing and Boulder by reforming our archaic and exclusionary home occupancy laws as members of this community it is critical that we hold ourselves accountable to doing everything we can to unravel the systemic racism that has persisted for far too long when zoning laws across the country were originated in the early 20th century they were specifically segregated by race and we still live with vestiges of the of these policies today and we must acknowledge that many of these policies that currently exist in B Boulder are continuing to have extremely harmful impacts that are perpetuating systemic racism specifically many of our zoning laws that prohibit multif family buildings require minimum square footages or restrict the number of unrelated people per home carry on these systemic inequities and continue to segregate our city and neighborhoods KKK

[101:01] leader Thomas Rob told a local reporter in 1993 that Boulder had quote done everything right and that Planning and Zoning to exclude um had made had made Boulder inhospitable to minorities and if more communities would plan and Zone to exclude then more of them would be predominant predominantly white like Boulder end quote I don't want to live in a community that the KKK looks to as a model we must align and uh our desire for racial Equity with our actions um we have the power to take these actions and it is my hope now that you will um have the courage and the will to do so thank you thank you Chelsea next we have Riley manuso Mason Roberts and Lynn seagull Riley what up Council um so uh I would first like to say that I must inform you that Kurt ferer was lying when he told you that the woman that Ryan mentioned

[102:00] could secure a hotel room due to her extreme medical vulnerability in fact earlier this evening I called the boulder shelter and was told that um eligibility for the CRC was determined entirely arbitrarily by shelter staff I was told this by Ben a staff member at the boulder shelter and uh and furthermore I was told that this woman did not qualify for any shelter Services CRC or hotel rooms and was told that I should go to the lodge that I should try to get her into the lodge um which the city loves to direct people to because it's entirely unfunded um by public sources um and um furthermore another staff member of the shelter Robert row uh recently told safe on Twitter during this meeting that hotel stays are are prioritized by the case management team and it is never a quick last minute decision meaning that tonight this woman uh has nowhere to go except because safe

[103:02] uh reserved a hotel room for tonight um but we can't do that long term and she needs care and isolation and safety and a place to rest while she recovers from serious blood loss and other medical uh ailments um and this is just one example of the ways that the city constantly exaggerates the services that are available and what I want to say is that I think the racial Equity plan is worth is I'm Pro it but I also think it doesn't go far enough because it's not just about providing uh it's not just about trying to make uh people of marginalized people equal to white people in Boulder and give them all the things that white people in Boulder have people white people in Boulder need to give up the things that they have like single family home own home ownership and other unsustainable land use and City and um urban planning policies um which are bad for the environment by the way um apologies to the translators um what we

[104:06] needy I'm sorry your time's up thank you next we have Mason Roberts Lyn seagull and Katie Dyer Mason hey everyone uh first I just want to say thank you for all that you do I know how sometimes thankless your work can be and I want to know that I appreciate all of you all so really to get down to it um I believe the racial Equity plan is a start I believe that its words and policy proposals are an important step in in addressing racial inequity in our community I also have been um squarely disappointed in the push back of some council members who seem to feel that it is a step too far whether from the point of view of improving housing policies or from uh reimagining the police budget I believe that in fact adopting the plan is the bare minimum the council can do given the Decades of EX solutionary policies

[105:00] and practices of the city of Boulder Beyond embracing the plan the city needs to make long-term investments in the bipod Community they need to take a supporting role towards leaders in Boulders communities of color and dismantle s systemic racism as mentioned prior by another speaker truly enacting this plan will take hard work not not only in your professional lives but also in your personal retrosp retrospection we all have work to do on ourselves in order to truly succeed in these tasks and council members are not exempt as I see it there are a couple opportunities directly ahead of us that will help us do this work first is the racial Equity plan of course I think its words are important so please adopt this plan and Faithfully enact it uh second the new city manager you all have the opportunity to hire someone who has a proven track record addressing the issues outlined in this plan third the boulder uh police master plan you can Empower communities of color to be part of this process and support reform efforts that increase the safety of the community as and and the police

[106:03] as well as provide an opportunity to shift funds to invest into communities of color and lastly the police oversight Community uh committee you can give the committee real power to hold Bad actors accountable as already said before me enacting this plan will make us stronger uh personally as well as a community it is perhaps the best thing that we can do for the long-term health of our community thanks again for your time and I truly look forward to working with you all to accomplish these tasks thank you Mason next we have Lynn seagull Katie Dyer and Lane taplan Lynn I don't see Lynn in the meeting so I will go to Katie Dyer Katie you should be able to unmute great I'm unmuted I believe um thank you city council uh my name is Katie Dyer I'm a white queer non-binary psychotherapist and because I have a

[107:00] partner who owns a home in Boulder I have home ownership privilege since moving to this city eight years ago I've seen some white people wake up to racial disparities some white people continue to cling in defense and shame to inherited Privileges and many black indigenous and people of color move away the limited racial cultural and economic diversity in Boulder is heartbreaking and makes me question if I can or want to continue living here Larry Ward a black scholar and Buddhist teaches that integrity means wholeness what does it look like for Boulder to be a city of Integrity a city in its wholeness including all people please adopt the racial Equity plan like Amy Kain said earlier it is a start but it must be used to create

[108:00] concrete policy changes and concrete actions the current plan is not enough accountability is a must and there are hundreds of leaders in communities of color in Boulder who have been tirelessly doing racial Justice work for decades the city needs to partner with these leaders and organizations fund their projects and let them lead systemic racism is not dismantled by racial Equity plans or two to threeyear Grants like Lauren commented earlier the city needs to get rid of short-term project-based grants and make long-term investments in Black indigenous and people of color communities and organizations it is time to reallocate the police budget and reimagine Public Safety black and brown people experience disproportional number of arrests and police violence other cities are

[109:00] successfully creating alternative programs Boulder can look to these cities as resources and guides the Denver star program which diverts non-criminal 911 calls to two person teams is seeing success and I believe I'm not positive but I think councilman Brockett suggested putting resources into a program similar to the Cahoots program which is in Eugene Oregon and this program thank you Katie your time is up appreciate your comments next we have Lane taplan Arian guz and Laura Maguire Lane hi I want to start by thanking the city council for its efforts and bringing this racial Equity plan to the table my name is Lane taplan and I white queer Jewish and have class privilege which allows me home ownership in a city that's unaffordable to most particularly

[110:01] people of color due to generations of systemic racism I'm here to encourage the city council to adopt the racial Equity plan and also to consider that it's not nearly enough it needs to be carried through by concrete policy change and investment in communities already doing racial Equity work the task of beginning to work towards racial Equity I know is enormous and I want the council to know that you don't have to do it alone many folks in the community especially people of color have been doing this work for Generations but just haven't had access to the funds to sustain it due to institutional racism I encourage you to make long-term Investments rather than short-term grants to the communities who know deeply from personal experience what inequity feels like and exactly what's needed to create a just thriving Boulder when you say in the plan that this work means giving up some comfort and power this is exactly what that looks like trusting the community you serve with financial resources and

[111:01] listening to them when they offer Solutions as a psychotherapist I'm painfully aware of the disparity and access to already limited Services between white and bipac residents here I strongly urge you all to consider reallocating police funds towards programs that meet the needs of all our community members this includes the needs of the police sending undertrained officers into these crises is unsafe for them too other cities have reallocated police funds towards programs like Cahoots which has been mentioned and has seen a lot of success and I know you've heard about this from council member Brocket Council know that you don't need to reinvent the wheel with this plan please listen to your community make resources accessible and let the community lead thank you so much thank you Lane next we have Arian Ceres Laura Maguire and Ralph Burns Aran hi hopefully I'm unmuted y um hi so

[112:03] my name is Aran gas I'm a resident here in North Boulder um and I'd like to comment on many of the same points that other people have more eloquently brought up this evening already um I support the adoption of a racial Equity plan as outlined today um but Boulder has the ability and the responsibility to go so much further I'd like the city to listen to community leaders and reallocate police resources um for example by sending medical professionals to respond to respond to non-criminal criminal calls um reallocating police resources would also allow the city to easily invest into the community and frankly it would keep remaining officer safer by Shifting the burden of dealing with things like mental health issues um to people who are more qualified to cope with them um thanks uh I I yield the rest of my time thank you Aran next we have Laura Maguire Ralph Burns and Robert

[113:02] mcnown Laura Laura I believe you are unmuted uh Laura is my microphone looks unmuted but I don't know that we can hear Laura Brenda why don't we come back to Laura that sounds right okay can we go to Ralph Burns next yes Ralph you should have a mute an unmute button now hello my name is Ralph Burns can you hear me yep thank you thank you council members and uh thank you for the racial Equity plan I read through the plan and found more of a broad-reaching goals document

[114:02] and I have a specific request for Budget inclusion for 247 co-responding EMS mental crisis service these co-responding programs such as Edge have proven robust and they have been shown to be like a 4 to1 budget saing when compared to police response but these programs have been funded with short-term grants the mental crisis response is an appropriate response to a multiplicity of dispatch calls that disproportionately affect Boulders people of color and boulders poor my two STI bits of experience come as a volunteer EMT firefighter and as working at our homeless shelter where I see that our repeat EMS customers uh such as drug abusers result in uh the fatalities and I see the residents at Boulders homeless shelters suffering from uh mental crisis

[115:02] making them just inappropriately able to cope and I think the co-responding is just the best tool for the job and best for our budget best for our citizens so I'd like to see it as a a firmly budgeted entity in our um services thank you thank you Ralph next we have Robert mcnown Kate McQuade and myen vard Robert yes uh thank you I'm representing the uh United Nations Association of Boulder County and uh our our mission is to support the goals of the UN whether that's locally or nationally or internationally and certainly this conversation today in support of the equity plan is is an important goal uh by the United Nations and something that

[116:00] our local chapter has really adopted as as an important part of our mission I really appreciate the depth and breadth of this report the Coalition is to be applauded for the work and thought that has gone into this I want to limit my focus to one section of the logic plan that relates to employ employment first of all I agree to the need for collection of meaningful data something was emphasized by Ryan in his presentation it's important to know where we stand currently within the city of Boulder staff and how demographic groups are represented at different levels of employment and different rates of pay the goal of a 10% increase in the number of people of color employed by the city is not meaningful unless we know the current number we should also have explicit goals of pay and position Equity across demographic groups to make progress towards increased representation of bipo employees in our city offices with

[117:02] equality and pay and levels of employment is a challenge Outreach to our institutions of higher education could provide access to well-qualified entry-level employees with a variety of skills that the city could make good use of I noted a section in the logic plan that calls for collaboration with CU and naropa development of an extensive internship program in cooperation with these institutions could open up training and employment opportunities for bipo students ideally paid internships that might be funded by local foundations again I certainly Advocate the adoption of this plan thank you Robert next I think we'll go back and try Laura Maguire again we had trouble hearing her before um hello can you hear me now yes we can hear you thank you and apologies the microphone trouble was on my end thanks for coming back around um so I

[118:01] wanted to support what a number of previous commenters have said in urging the city to go farther than the current racial Equity plan um I want to reiterate what they've said that there are many bipac leaders in the Boulder Community who already know what needs doing and who could do this work better and more sustainably if the city is truly committed to giving up comfort and Power by funding bipac Leed projects um I also want to say again that any meaningful progress towards racial equity in Boulder needs to reimagine Public Safety by reallocating funding from the police towards new public safety programs law enforcement officers are not mental health workers or Social Service workers and neither they nor our community are well served by sending them into Mental Health crisis situations a crucial part of racial Equity is a program such as the star or Cahoots programs that have already been mentioned both of which have seen incredible success and could be recreated here in Boulder I urge you to adopt the plan and

[119:01] also to make significant policy and budgetary changes to support racial equity in the end the current racial Equity plan puts too much emphasis on trainings and not enough on the kind of structural change that is needed if Boulder is to become truly welcoming to everyone our community has the resources needed to move towards real equity but only if we're willing to take risks and make hard choices thank you thank you Laura and next we will go back to someone else we passed over um Lyn seagull Lynn you should be able to unmute yeah just a moment here um I what the last person said about structural change Lynn we're having a real problem hearing you oh can you hear now better

[120:04] okay I agree with the last person that talked about structural change you want racial equity and Boulder you're going to have to stop making it worse because the jobs housing imbalance is making it worse the growth in East Boulder puts us on another acceleration in out commuters by a factor of oneir it's just like going to the ellipse and firing up qanon for an Insurrection and not expecting it to happen that's what subsidizing these developers does the Insurrection is happening and the developers are laughing all the way to the bank and the racial Equity is depleted most importantly the city of Boulder is in charge like Donald

[121:01] Trump but we need to do the right thing so why doesn't the one in charge stop the disaster in East Boulder and all the development just push it east and and before it happens instead of egging it on with subsidies dare I suggest that they wanted it to happen or shall I say that they could not overcome the pressure from developers well how well did that work the virus ate up the developers just like the virus ate up the mun Sam well not with the mun because it was Sam Tom and Bob that ate up the mun with their short-term thinking and long-term increased costs to Boulder residents and that hurt social equity and racial Equity but the virus did eat up the developers they got those subsidies based on the god of sales tax revenue where's the bars and

[122:00] restaurants spewing all that sales tax revenue generated by the development subsidies in the toilet developers like Transit are so yesterday thank you Lynn next we have our last three speakers Kate McQuade milen V and Lucas schaer and Susan Peterson has withdrawn so Kate I do not see Kate in the meeting Sam so I will go directly to myen myen you should be able to unmute thank you um I'm sorry um good evening um my name is Milan yard I reside at 905 Hartford Drive I identify as white and i' I have home ownership privilege I would like to start tonight with a quote from the very first paragraph of the introduction to

[123:01] the uh racial Equity plan I quote input from community members of color who have bravely shared their perspectives and lived experiences have made it clear we have significant work to do unquote I'm so grateful to these people for having hope in the process let's not disappoint them yet again people of color keep showing up yet they are met with constant obstacles and racism some of you might have listened to the black in Boulder conversations on January 16th and if you haven't do go listen to it on YouTube no matter how liberal tolerant and pro diversity we feel Boulder has not been and is not a w welcoming Community for people of color so we do have significant work to do and if the racial Equity plan is as a start it is far from being enough so I urge you to approve this plan and take significant and concrete steps forward once it passes let's not Pat ourselves on the back because we have an RP and Equity

[124:01] trainings I would like to see the city of Boulder really invest in the long term in our bipar communities so that they can finally Thrive this means among other things reallocating the police budget because here we are we're working on an RP on the one hand and we're increasing the police budget on the other while cutting all other community services so we need to reimagine P public safety other cities are showing us the way let's not trail behind let's give power directly to bipo and racial Equity organizations through financial resources they know how best to use them I encourage you to give up some of your power and trust them and take some truly concrete step forward by letting them lead thank you thank you maren and finally we have Lucas schaer uh hello hello we can hear you uh good evening uh thank you so much for the opportunity to speak my name is

[125:01] Lucas Schaefer I am currently a lost student and I've lived in builder for the last five years I want to preface uh by saying that I am speaking from the perspective of a privileged white male first I fully support adopting the plan I think it is an essential first step towards working towards uh correcting inequity in our community there is good emphasis on communicating and working with communities of color uh the emphasis on data collecting self evaluation and monitoring is also critical to ensure that our public officials continue to work directly uh with these impacted communities uh in addition there is a clear acknowledgement of how the history of institutional racism has and continues to affect Boulder uh however I would like to offer a specific critique concerning the last section I mentioned uh as it stands the conclusion of the racial history section on page thir of the plan I think is confusing and therefore problematic uh I think it potentially undermines the point of this section as well as the plan as a whole by suggesting that the city is not open

[126:00] to the potential necessity of significant policy reversal the plan here acknowledges the extraordinary and terrible historical impact of racism as well as the scope of systemic racism in our lifetimes uh we as a very white Community inherently must accept that significant systemic changes will likely if not certainly be necessary and we are not in a position to take ideas off the table so to speak uh systemic racism is by definition intertwined with every level of policy and therefore will inevitably require some significant policy reversal uh in addition I believe that in order for us as a community to acknowledge institutional racism and and commit to uh making things better we also have to admit to a degree of ignorance and speaking from my own perspective uh I cannot possibly fathom at this point the extent of what's needed to actually effectively address racial Equity problems uh that we all exist uh acknowledge exist on an

[127:00] unprecedented scale and so it's a little confusing to me that the plan would suggest uh that the city would not advocate for reversing policy decisions should mechanisms outlined in the plan indicate that such large scale action is NE necessary for the sake of equity thank you Lucas I was again I fully support the plan and that was the last thing I want to say thank you Lucas appreciate it and uh with that I'm just checking in one more time Brenda uh do we have um Kate mccoid here I have not seen Kate McQuade join us so I believe we are finished Sam okay very good with that I will close um the public hearing and bring it back to council and I would like to turn to Mary next thanks Sam um I would like to make a

[128:00] motion um so I move that we adopt the racial Equity plan second great we have a motion in a second um Mary would you like to speak to your motion yeah um I want to thank all the community members that came out and spoke tonight um but I especially want to thank um the staff that worked on this and um and all of the community um members that had input and all the partners that had input on the plan um it is as many um of the speakers noted tonight a start and it is something that's focused on the city operations the policies programs and process that many of the speakers processes that many of the speakers mentioned what the plan does not address is um community members themselves and a

[129:01] couple community members mentioned um the doing the work and I just wanted to just talk a little bit about doing the work um Erin okuno who um runs a Blog by the name of faity um says that her version of doing the work around race includes learning understanding reflection analysis and healing around race in order for a person to do their work around race means having to actively take part in all of these steps a person can't read a book or watch a documentary and say they have now done their work that is one step but not the destination or the end of their work

[130:01] they should also reflect and spend the time thinking about what it means for themselves so with that I would just like to also um hope that community members will do the work and and just to say that it's not easy work because it does require self-reflection and it's really hard to acknowledge your own biases and even harder to address them so um thank you everyone and for all the hard work and I'm looking forward to implementing this document which is a living document so it will change as we move along the way great thank you Mary Aon would you like to speak to your second yeah I'll say a few words um thank you for that Mary um and I Echo Mary's thank yous to the community members um and especially the staff that have worked so hard on this and it's been many hours

[131:02] and months of effort and this is an important Milestone and but of course it's an important step adopting this plan but it is far from sufficient in and of itself uh we have a lot of work left to do um I I just took my first session of the bias and microaggression training last week um there two sessions that's being required of All City staff um I found it to be valuable I look forward to my next one that's another item that's it's an important step U but definitely not sufficient you know these are these are all um items that we do that are part of a larger Journey towards racial Equity um we have centuries of um depression and systemic racism to fight against and and overcome so uh you know the important work comes next in terms of implementing this and following through on the goals and strategies are outlined in the plan um and holding ourselves accountable uh each of us on city

[132:00] council um all members of City staff and then the members all the members of our Boulder Community to to do this work uh together uh to advance towards a more just and Equitable Society so I um I invite um all of our community members to hold us accountable um you know watch out for these strategies and goals and and work that we're doing uh let us know U you know when when things are going well and when we're falling short and um you know together we'll we'll keep we'll keep at this thanks everyone great thank you Aon um any other council members like to comment Adam thanks Sam yeah first of all I did want to thank and I don't think we can thank enough Amy Kane and her team and and all of City staff who are open and willing to take on this work you know when we look at so many cities across our country right now um who are going in the opposite direction of this it

[133:00] makes me incredibly proud um to have such a dedicated group of people working on this and again I think it's been stated but this is only the beginning this is nowhere near the end of the journey um specifically to one of the concerns I've heard multiple times from the community about uh policing especially uh if you didn't watch last week's city council study session we did as a council commit to looking at major changes um during the police master planning process and you will have abundant opportunities to be involved in that process uh as it's going to take a couple years to actually finalize that police master plan so please if if you came here tonight to speak especially about that stay involved um keep speaking about it and keep coming out to uh show us the vision that you want uh implemented here in the

[134:02] city again this is only the start of the journey and it's going to take your input all along the way to make those changes happen so um thank you for everyone who came out everyone who contributed to this work uh we have a long way to go but this is a great starting place thank you Adam next juny thanks Sam I just want to take a moment to thank staff and Aaron but also I want to thank Mary um again I've been on Council for only about a year and a couple of months now and most of the work was done before I got there and I I have had the opportunity to see our hard Mary worked as a fellow council member and I'm very proud of how hard she has worked and she really inspired me because of the work she has done um in the subcommittee and

[135:03] also I just wanted to say I did say uh thank you to staff for all the work I've seen it behind closed door I think a lot of times what community members end up seeing is the beautiful piece of work that comes at the end but they don't see the hard work that a lot of Staff members put in and also council members council members were passionate about the work not just you know um at the time we were on city council so I I I really um thank all of you and also I just wanted to say something I know uh community members you hold us to the fire and we appreciate it because that's how we get better being held to the fire sometimes it can be hard um but we really appreciate that and something that Mary mentioned I guess that resonates with me is that we all have blind spots and none of us are perfect I'm working on mine but I think to get

[136:00] to a better Community we all have to work on our blind spots because I think that's really where um the hard work needs to be because this is a pro Progressive Community yet we're dealing with the same issues that uh some communities that are less progressives are dealing with so it's so important that we reflect again as Mary mentioned do the the the work and do the self-reflection so that I guess as a community we can move to a better um a much more Equitable Boulder as um Ain mentioned thank you Sam thank you junnie Rachel yep um thanks for that juny I'm following up on um part of what she said I want to also thank especially Mary and Aaron for all the years of work as guiding Coalition members before um many of us uh joined to this Council and

[137:00] you've been leaders on this issue and I'm I'm grateful for you all for doing um a lot of work for a lot of years on this uh and also to Amy Kaine who has done also a lot of work for a lot of years on this so special thanks to the three of you um and I also want say that assuming that we passed this unanimously tonight I'm really proud to be on a council that is universally committed to this endeavor I support the plan as Amy said it's a first step it's a foundation that we will build on it's not enough but I think it's a really good start um and uh I I see tonight as sort of the easy part um as council member I think tonight our work is is more or less committing to an idea um but when we have to follow those ideas and the ideals that we're setting out in this plan when we're working through a thorny issue where the plan might cause some discomfort and be in conflict with desired outcomes um on

[138:02] some of the tricky issues that we face that's where I think the the rubber will meet the road and I hope that all nine of us as well as members of future councils will rise to the challenge and be brave when it's necessary to enact the goals of this plan thanks thank you Rachel as I don't see anybody else with the hand raise I'll call on myself and I'm going to start like everyone else with a big thank you and I want to call out some names here um the five council members who worked on this um Aaron Brockett Rachel friend juny Joseph Adam swl and especially Mary Young Who as everyone has noted has been working on this for a very long time I appreciate that you all stepped up to this I don't think we've ever had a council committee with as many people on it and so it is great credit to all of you who worked on it that you are interested enough in especially the three of you who are in your first year on Council to step up to

[139:01] this work so thank you for that and I want to call out some staff by name who are also part of the guiding Coalition Kurt Fern hobber Maris Harold Amy Kane of course um we all appreciate the hard work Amy's had to do to organize this complex effort Jacob Lindsay a new addition to the guiding Coalition from planning of course Chris mjuk who has been instrumental also in facilitating this work um with staff and Jen sprinkle from Human Resources so it has been a broad team and then it goes much deeper than that into many community members who have given their time and given their wisdom to us to be able to shape this plan so to all of you uh who I've named and who I haven't named thank you so much for your very hard work on this and it is only a first step but a journey of a Thousand Miles starts with a single step so we should

[140:01] take this opportunity to at least acknowledge that we're taking this step and to celebrate the fact that we are starting on this journey it is not the end and we will have to continue to keep pushing um and another thing I think is important to consider as we put this into effect not everyone in our community is at the same place in this discussion um everyone starts where they start and hopefully Works towards better understanding of each other as human beings and as people who have suffered and who have achieved and so what I would say is let's look with humanity and Grace on each other and when we see people falling short of the ideal of acknowledging or even understanding the the challenges that the community has structurally let's try and bring them along because we we are all better if we

[141:01] can all increase our understanding so again with that I'll just say a special thank you to Amy for all the hard work you've done this is an excellent excellent document thank you for coring all of us and to Mary especially thank you for the time that we've shared on Council you've been working on this the entire time and it is greatly appreciated so with that I will turn to see any other comments if not Alicia I believe this is a roll call vote is that correct that is correct sir and just to be clear um unless you say differently and I vote here I'll assume is for adopting the de decaration as well as adopting the Declaration on Black History Month as well as adopting the racial Equity plan okay Elicia council member

[142:02] wallik emphatically yes Weaver I jate yes young yes rocket hi Bren yes Joseph yes meel I unanimously yes the plan was and declaration were adopted sir unanimously thank you very much congratulations to everybody and one one more thank you to Amy Kane for her extraordinary work for all this time on making this happen wouldn't be here without you thank you thank you all okay I think we're ready to move to our next item all right sir our next public

[143:02] hearing is a second reading and consideration of a motion to adopt ordinance 8432 revising chapter 12 mobile homes by amending sections 10-1 12-25 limitation on the prohibition of sales of mobile homes and 10-12 d26 limitation on required upgrades to existing mobile homes BRC 1981 and setting forth related details great thanks Alicia uh I'm gonna introduce Kurt fober our director of Housing and Human Services who will give an introduction and then turn it over to Crystal and the team so with that take it away Kurt uh good evening Council um it's a uh an honor to be uh going on the heels of the racial Equity plan and um over the last um four years um we we've always brought

[144:02] you something um related to manufactured home communities always trying to uh improve these communities how they work how they function um both for the the residents um and the owners um who um who have who represent our some of our most affordable um ownership units in the city and also represents a lot of the the the the amazing diversity um um that we have um in those communities so uh crystal laer is um one of our um housing Human Services uh plan housing planners and um she's done a lot of this this great work tonight it's a carryon from ordinance changes that we made um towards the end of last year and it really came from a lot of great input from the residents in these communities

[145:00] and they've participated um in a tremendous way um in this work over the last few years as well um as well as the the owners of the manufactured home communities so with that I'm going to pass it over to to Crystal thank you thank you Kurt um Emily could I get control of the presentation please and just one moment didn't that work Crystal or do I it it can you um see it can everyone see it can okay great thank you so good evening council members I'm Crystal laer and I'm here tonight to talk about ordinance 8432 the manufactured home sales

[146:01] ordinance I will be speaking a little slower tonight for the benefit of our interpreters so manufactured hous is the most affordable market rate home ownership option in Boulder but a tension exists between the rights of the homeowner and the community owner acting as a landlord as Kurt um highlighted a little bit earlier so in this presentation um I will be reviewing um the regul regulatory landscape for manufactured home communities in Boulder and Statewide of which I I will say both our Council and our community members have had an outsized um Ro role I will touch on the strategies guiding principles and on um Community Enga the community engagement process that informed ordinance 8432 and I will provide an overview of proposed changes to the mobile homes

[147:01] chapter of the [Music] code so in 1991 um the state Mobile Home Park ACT which regulates mobile home parks or manufactured home communities as I like to say um was enacted um what I don't have listed here but I think is important to this discussion um is that in in 2000 a policy to preserve manufactured home communities was added to the Boulder Valley comprehensive plan and I think that kind of um in my mind explains um that kind of more active role that that Boulder has played in this um Arena so a decade later in 2010 um the mobile home park Act was updated and that was um there was City staff invol involved with that update at the direction of our Council in 2015 and again in 2017

[148:00] Council adopted two local ordinances defining the rights and roles of a landlord tenant relationship in manufactured home communities um so another item that's not on here but I I um will mention is that in 2018 um our manufactured homeowners from Boulder led a successful petition for a sunrise review of the mobile home park act um it found that homeowners were experiencing harm um and that the reason for that was really that there was no regulation um available to homeowners under the ACT um so in 2019 um City staff again um at the direction of council were involved in um in a bill that introduc the dispute resolution and enforcement program that is now um in effect at the state

[149:00] level um that same year um the manufactured housing strategy was adopted and um and then a year later um City straff City staff again Under the Umbrella of the strategy and as a result of the city's legislative agenda um joined Boulder Council or Boulder County staff and a broad Coalition of homeowners and other organizations from across the St State and informed two bills that were enacted and ADV Advanced several action items from the manufactured housing strategy and then more recently in um September of this year um the manufactured housing ordinance brought forward four additional items from the strategy and that was also adopted by this Council um but what's noteworthy to tonight's hearing is that the ordinance was in um there was significant um public testimony focused on the need for

[150:02] regulatory um for regulation of manufactured home sales which is an issue um that wasn't actually part of the um strategy at that point um so Council directed staff to return with the manufactured home sales ordinance that is here tonight so just as a reminder to council guiding principles of the strategy include affordability accountability community and viability and this ordinance advances the principles of affordability in community by seeking to establish a clear path in common expectations for both parties when a manufactured home is sold um so as stated earlier um really that first kind of touch point where there was Community engagement where we heard from um the community was on

[151:01] September 1st um at that um ordinance 8383 um later that month um in terms of community engagement uh the city staff received a propo proposed amendments from a coalition of homeowners that um came from a couple of communities here in Boulder and between um late October and early November um staff uh received input um on some proposed code amendments and that the ordinance um that was put brought to Council on December 15th um was informed by that input um but at the same time um Council also received uh a letter from that homeowner Coalition um requesting um additional changes and so Council recommended that staff get additional input um which happened in late December and early January um which um brought another a

[152:03] revised ordinance to our housing Advisory Board um and provided another public hearing and um the housing Advisory Board enthusiastically recommended um the council the ordinance and since um that housing Advisory board meeting there have been staff has received no further requests for changes um to the ordinance so as an overview this ordinance proposes updates to two sections of the mobile homes chapter of the code um one category of change is um new restrictions um so Community owners would not be able to um do certain

[153:01] actions um that could interfere with a listing or a home sale um it would disallow Community owners from requiring interior inspections of the home it would extend the limit of unreasonable upgrades um Beyond manufactured homes So currently it applies to Manufactured Homes um but it would extend it to also address accessory structures such as porches and sheds and it would finally um disallow a community owner from denying an applic an applicant because the potential buyer agreed to perform the upgrades um that were required by the community owner and I'll talk just a little bit more about that so it's a little bit more clear in a later slide um I think a central piece to this ordinance is um establishing reasonable

[154:00] timelines for various touch points um between those various parties so between the community owner the buyer and the seller and then just this is my um catch all C category or other um so one of the challenges that this that um has been I think observed kind of by everybody um is that home buyers and home sellers often um are unaware of their rights and so one of the um additions would be um notification um by the community owner of of their rights and responsibilities um to both the buyer and the seller and that would include a notice that we have a U mobile home park resources web page um which will in the future if um this ordinance moves forward um include a userfriendly buyers and sellers guide um the ordinance would also induce

[155:02] introduce new flexibility including allowing Community owners to petition if they cannot meet the deadline on sharing the results of the application with the buyer um so um if there was you know something that was reason out of their reasonable control that interfered with that um it would also create flexibility um that would allow the buyer to complete the repair the required repairs so a community owner um Can Define what the required repairs are um but um as it stands right now it's the B it's the seller's responsibility to perform those repairs before the home is sold and then finally um there would just be several um language tweaks um to just create greater Clarity for all parties so if uh the ordinance passes tonight or in the future um the city

[156:02] staff's next steps would be to revise um the code navigation guide to update it and also to develop that userfriendly home sales guide and so with that um I will put up the motion language and my presentation is done thank you thank you Crystal and thank you Kurt and Chris I will turn to council and see if we have any questions I am not seeing question oh there we go Mark I couldn't resist um on February 2nd at our meeting I had um raised an issue about looking at the possibility of making residents of manufactured home communities uh eligible for support uh either legal support or rental assistance um from newer uh funds and

[157:00] I'd like to continue that request and and make the suggestion perhaps that this is something for Hab to take a look at in terms of its implications um what kind of changes might be necessary in order to affect this change if it were indeed deemed to be desirable um I I know Tom you had mentioned at the time that uh we can expect subsequent updates to this statute which I wholeheartedly support um and I'd like to get this possibility in the queue for those um for the next round of updates yeah Mark it's on the Queue it's that's what I told you last time so we're working on it okay then I am content thank you any other Council questions great seeing none I think we will go to the public hearing um our first folks signed up for our public hearing are Lynn seagull Mark robins and

[158:02] Amy B I'll start with Lynn hi um can you hear me Sam yes and I'll just say Lynn before you start because we only have five people you'll each have three minutes so Lyn you have three minutes gotta um you know I'd go even further than some of what um Crystal was discussing here you know for instance having to repair your place before you sell it should be between the the buyer and the seller not anything to do with the ownership of the mobile home part and I'll tell you this from my experience in Boulder you're not going to find anyone to do any repair that I can't find anyone to do my any repair any deferred maintenance on my place on the margin of Mapleton

[159:02] Hill because guess what there isn't such a thing as fixing things up in Boulder anymore it's all about scrape and rebuild brand new new build that's what Boulder's about that's what's driving up the cost of everything and that's what's driving up the cost to the extent that these these ma um owners of these manufactured housing um groups in town are just pushing the LI envelope into demands on the homeowners there isn't such a thing as own my house is worth nothing my land is worth worth everything it's all in the land you know and we have a deconstruction policy now in Boulder it's a dollar a square foot which is a joke no one's going to do deconstruction in Boulder it's called new

[160:01] build you hear that all of you council members that's what Boulder's about brand new build and that's what we've stuck it to these mobile home people like we did in pamama or Ponderosa whichever that one North Pole there is more expensive East Point that was affordable rebuild nope that's what Boulder's about and you talk about racial equity and you talk about how you're going to solve this thing and you know what I mean this is a good thing what you're doing Crystal I gather that but it needs to go further my point um you know this is this got to stop at some point you know there was the infrastructure issue originally you know we've got infrastructure issues that

[161:00] we're not dealing with with the building of Cu South and if we have a major flood we almost we filled up people's basements with sewer to the benefit of our sewer treatment plant we have a something called the 42 Interceptor with our SE system in Boulder that needs massive reconstruction talk about the mobile home park we need massive reconstruction of our entire thank you Lynn thank you your time is up appreciate your comments next we have Mark Robbins Amy B and Renee hmel Mark yes can you hear me we can okay um I'm Mark Robbins from Orchard Grove neighbors Association I just wanted you to know that while the improvements in state law in the last few years have helped considerably to level the playing field at least on paper there are still gaps in Gray areas that Park owners have

[162:02] taken advantage of to interfere with homeowners when it comes to buying or selling a home this is not theoretical it comes from our experience in Orchard Grove and Vista Village and think about it when someone is trying to sell a home mobile or not it's often the individual's largest asset they usually need to sell it quickly they may they may well have closed on another home or moving out of state or paying rent elsewhere when a park owner arbitrarily and capriciously interferes with the sale of a home the seller must continue paying rent in the park every month and paying for two homes may lead to abandonment of the mobile home which can be a windfall for a park owner this is is a somewhat gray area in state law and while the new state enforcement agency is now up and running they are way behind in addressing complaints an Orchard Grove resident filed a complaint six months ago about some of these abusive practices the complaint is still

[163:01] in the system and has not yet been addressed uh let me give you one example of unreasonable demand unreasonable demands upon the seller uh many modern mobile homes have shingled roofs with overhangs with with which both Shield the wall from water dripping off the roof uh which can infiltrate windows and they partially sh shade the windows from summer sun while allowing winter sun to warm the home thus saving energy in Orchard Grove the park management actually asked a homeowner to cut off this overhang so that the roof is flush with the wall and does not overhang this is not only ridiculous but essentially impossible because the overhang is part of the roof structure and attempting to cut it off would compromise the Integrity of the roof for years Boulder has been in the Forefront of protecting mobile home owners rights and many policies started in Boulder have made their way to the state level MH zoning is one example and

[164:02] is now spreading to other cities that they as they strive to protect this very important source of unsubsidized Market affordable housing this bill has been tweaked and worked on by both City staff and those concerned with protecting the rights of both Park owners and homeowners over the last few months I urge you to support this bill it is needed fair for both sides and may well become the template for state law in the future thank you thank you Mark next we have Amy B Renee hmel and Tony pyton Amy Amy you should be able to unmute try

[165:01] again there you go all right hello my name is Amy Bo and um I represent the H Boulder Meadows I first want to thank Crystal and Brenda um they have worked very well in reaching out to the local communities um in hearing us looking at our written statements and revising and working with um and creating the ordinance you see before you today um it has been a beneficial process and it made a far better document that being said um what I would like to bring to your attention is the amount of Regulation we heard Crystal explain in great detail the amount of Regulation that Boulder has done itself and also what the state has done since that Sunrise review in 2018 and that is like what Mark mentioned before is we did have a significant 2019 Amendment a 2020

[166:00] Amendment and also with the 2019 Amendment the DOA program now that is the oversight program that if the community or the tenant believes that there's a problem they can reach out to DOA and a resolution can hopefully be met and it does have the right to impose fines if violations are found um with that in mind and the idea that we just passed ordinances last year in the city is the communities need a little bit of breathing time there's a huge amount of regulations and processes that we must follow that we should follow for the betterment of the tenants and the community but with each additional layer of Regulation there's a greater hindrance in the oper ation and ability to provide what's best for the tenants so going back and forth from the city we did remove a lot of duplication but there still is some duplication in the ordinance before you for example the um mandate that within 10 business days an

[167:01] application must be approved or denied well there's already been this provision for many many years at the state level where a response has to be done in 20 business days the only difference is that amount of time so the more that we over regulate it's just harder for everybody to keep up and I would just ask that um after this round let's allow the laws to work before creating more laws thank you very much thank you Amy next we have Renee hmel and Tony pton Renee hello this is Renee hmel from Vista Village can you hear me we can okay thank you um from first I'd like to um thank Council as always for your attention to our mobile home communities um and for the opportunity to uh bring this ordinance forward um it's been close to six months now that um since we started the process and have been

[168:00] working on it and I'm really looking forward to um the the vote tonight um I'd like to address a couple things that have been said by others um first I thank Mark Robbins for um giving a very clear statement um about issues and why this is needed uh Crystal LA's presentation was great um regarding uh what um ly seagull had to say about repairs should just be between buyer and seller um there's actually a provision in the state mobile home park that says at time of sale the park owner can require a home to um you know come up to standard so um this um gives guidance around that time of sale provision and helps to protect people in the community who own the home a lot of people are Elders um some of the people uh who found the experience

[169:00] traumatic and um inspired this um ordinance were trying to sell their home to move into subsidized senior housing they didn't really have the money available to to do the repairs and although um the park owners did at times make accommodation uh it wasn't consistent some people would be prohibited totally from letting the buyer assume it others were able to pay some money at the last minute and not have to paint their home um you know Etc so um this makes for a consistent process clear timelines um it just makes it a lot more fair for everyone and regarding what Amy Bo said about the uh 10 days um as you may recall the ordinance that was passed in 2015 gave the park owners 10 days to uh do what they now have 10 business days to do so actually the timeline has been extended um and I feel very good about

[170:02] that that you know there's something that's of benefit to the park owners um in that way around that um and regarding what Lynn was saying about scrape and rebuild and new new new this actually is going to help because what happens uh at least here in Vista Village um at times people are interfered with delayed and they end up just giving up they get a buyout for a low amount the home which is perfectly good is pulled out and a brand new much more expensive home goes in in its place so this actually helps to preserve the affordable housing um here in these diverse communities so thank you very much for your time and consideration good night thank you Renee and finally we have Tony pyton you should be able to unmute

[171:05] tnie tmy you should be able to unmute there we go okay thank you good evening my name is tnie Payton I'm with the Rocky Mountain Home Association uh I would like to acknowledge both city council and their staff for their willingness to work with all the stakeholders over the plus years that we all have been working on this project um this has been an emotional project um but something that's important to all St holders in in Boulder um we've submitted comments City staff has considered our comments um implemented some of them some of them not but but our voice has

[172:02] been heard where other times it has not so I just want to say thank you for that uh also to address the concern or um the concern about selling a home in Boulder and across the state of Colorado manufactured housing really is the only or the largest subsid this largest unsubsidized source of affordable housing in Colorado and so it's a great resource for people who want to move to our beautiful State uh and not have to um go into extreme amount of debt to live here and so we really want to protect that and welcome that and encourage folks to come to our state and not burden them with selling their homes with all these restrictions so I

[173:00] appreciate the city staff's willingness to work with our community owners to find a happy medium to make it work for both the community owners and the neighbors that also want to protect their property values but also the folks that are selling their homes and buying their homes okay thank you for that tnie and with that I will bring the matter back to council and see if anyone has questions commentary emotion Adam I'm happy to make a motion if uh you wouldn't mind putting it up again just because I don't have it on my own screen right now uh motion to adopt ordinance 8432 revising chapter 12 mobile homes by

[174:01] amending sections 10225 limitation on the prohibition of sales of mobile homes and 10226 limitation on required upgrades to existing mobile homes brc1 1981 and setting forth related details second great we have a motion and a second um Adam would you like to speak to your motion sure I'll I'll just briefly say this is another area that I'm super happy um we could be a part of and um move forth some legislation that helps preserve truly market rate affordable housing that we have here in Boulder um this is another place where we're not done working but um this is another excellent step in the right direction so thank you um to all the staff and um community members who contributed to this and made it as good as it is and

[175:02] here's hoping that we can do even more in the future great thank you Adam Mark do you want to speak to your second I want to reiterate what uh Adam said I think this is a a good Common Sense uh set of amendments uh I think it will be helpful to our residents in M manufactured home communities um and I also want to thank staff and the community members who participated in this um it makes eminent good sense to me and I'm happy to support it super thank you Mark next I have Rachel and Mary and Aaron though I'm not sure if that's the order hands went up in but we'll do it that way Rachel okay well I think I was actually last so sorry Aaron and Mary thank you Sam I just wanted to um say that based on emails it seemed like um and testimony We Got Tonight Community MERS really felt heard on this and so I wanted to give kudos to staff for um

[176:00] doing a really good process and um enabling people to feel good about this and this ordinance and where we got so thank you Crystal and Kurt and all staff who worked on this nice job thank you Rachel and Rachel was right um apparently Zoom is not sorting by who raised first but now I've got it Ain you're next and then Mary Ain um yeah thanks so much everyone for bringing this forward it's a great next step in terms of preserving uh the rights of our manufactured housing residents and I'm excited to be voting for it tonight I just wanted to really um thank um the everyone for the collaboration that was involved in putting this final version together you know we had this ordinance a version of this ordinance came before us last year and um and we realized that it hadn't gotten enough Community input and um and I really appreciate staff for um pulling back and and Consulting with the community and for those uh members of the manufactured housing community and

[177:00] other stakeholders uh for their input and collaboration and I feel like we've gotten to a really great place and like with Rachel said with um just really excellent Outreach and collaboration so thanks again thank you eron Mary yeah I just wanted to Echo everything that um everyone's been said and I just wanted to also add that um as Crystal was going through the sets of ordinances that have happened and when they started happening um it's been it's been a a long road and instrumental to that I just wanted to recognize Tom Carr's role in this um I think it was back in like 2014 or something like that when um a lot of residents came to us and wanting to have some money for legal assistance so that they could um address some of the issues

[178:00] that they were having and instead of doing that and running out what was not a real huge sum um Tom recruited ishbel Dickens to come and help or organize the communities and that set into motion all of these changes that have come since and so I wanted to thank Tom for that idea and bringing ishbell on board which really set all of these wheels in motions that um that everybody has you know played a huge role everybody on staff has played a huge role but it all started with Tom's idea so thank you Tom great thank you Mary and I see no other hands I will just briefly say this is great work um I recall when Mary and I were early on Council we would often hear from U members of mobile home communities who were having really negative experiences and from what Mary

[179:01] described from what Tom did and staff has done we've come to a place where I think we are helping lead the state at thinking through the um regulation of these these housing types so thanks to the community thanks to staff and it's great to see us taking this next step so with that Alicia I believe this is a roll call vote is that correct that is correct sir okay council member Weaver mayor hi Gates yes young yes rocket Hi friend yes Joseph yes yes go hi and wall yes I'm also a yes by the way I miss

[180:01] you just barely ah I'm sorry I had you mark But thank you for correcting that for me all right sir that ordinance is adopted very good passes you unanimously thank you again staff thanks Council for unanimous vote on that and Chris I think over to you maybe yeah I'll let Alicia go ahead and thank you sir next we have item 6A which is Matters from the city manager and it's an update on CU South annexation negotiations thank you and uh as council is aware staff has been negotiating with CU regarding their annexation application and we've reached a point in the discussion and and conversations with them now that I'd like to add some members to my team that represents the city so uh I intend to invite two council members mayor Weaver and council

[181:01] member friend to assist staff in the negotiations with CU in order to bring some level of the public voice into the discussions in addition to City staff uh I'll ask them to advise me on the negotiations they would not in any way speak for councel if they accept this invitation it would be appropriate for them to resign from the council appointed process subcommittee uh and be replaced by two new members to be appointed by Council in order to avoid crossover of the council committee to these negotiations so with that uh I'm happy to hear council's feedback very good thank you with that Chris for that Chris and I would also invite any Council feedback or comment Bob uh well first of all I fully endorse Chris's invitation to having uh uh Sam and and Rachel uh serve as um advisers

[182:01] to staff on um as they work through negotiations I think that um staff found Sam and I did something similar with the Exel negotiations last year I think staff found it valuable to have a couple council members as sounding boards uh as Chris just said um Sam and Rachel would not speak for Council they would not make decisions they would not instruct staff but it's just an opportunity to bounce um things off of a couple council members I assume that that Rachel and Sam and staff will bring points back to C discussions happen over the next several months um but I I I think Sam and I found this was be and staff more importantly a helpful tool to use and I think we should use it whenever we have a situation where staff is in in discussions with a party on the other side and we need um access to some um feedback from from Council between Council meetings or between check-ins with respect I I understand the reason

[183:01] for um Mark for excuse me for um Rachel and Sam to need to leave the process committee um because of this new role they're taking on I serve on the on the the first team of the process committee back in gosh was it was 2019 I guess it was um with Cindy Carlile and so I'd be happy to raise my hand um to to be one person to replace uh Sam and Rachel on the process committee so I don't know if other council members are interested but I'm happy to um happy to do that very good thank you very much Bob Mark and then Aaron Mark uh yeah I I would also support the Chris's invitation I think uh uh Sam and Rachel given their knowledge base on this subject are the appropriate council members to work with staff on this and uh I would also endorse uh Bob's inclusion as a new member of the process

[184:00] committee um I I think all of those uh would be very very uh helpful so very good thank you Mark Aon that all sounds like a good idea to me thanks uh if Sam and Rachel are willing thank you for being willing to step up I'm sure it'll take a fair amount of time it'll be some difficult work but we will um benefit from your expertise knowledge I'm sure um and uh I mean I'm I'm perfectly happy to I'm willing to put my name forward as well for that um process sub commmittee since those couple seats are empty um unless somebody else wants it thank you Aon and I see Mark Mar is your hand up again up again okay go for it Mark and then Rachel just quickly I I think Aaron would make an excellent second member of the process subcommittee and I would endorse that as well thank very good thank you Mark Rachel thanks Sam um and thanks Chris

[185:00] for this invitation um I would say that my overarching goals are to help get people safe from flooding and to um ensure that we get Maxim Community benefit in annexation so if I can help with those goals by um stepping up and and helping you then I'm happy to do that um and I'm also uh happy to step back from the process subcommittee and would support Aon and Bob um moving on to it and appreciate their willingness to do that thank you Rachel Mary yeah so um I support um Sam and Rachel moving on to uh be part of the negotiations and Aaron and Bob to um keep those seats warm on this um process subcommittee okay very good H thank you all for your comments I also Chris will um gratefully accept your offer um it

[186:01] will be a lot of work but it's an important Community project and I think having uh the political lens um in staff discussions is helpful to kind of ground things and the community desires for a project like this so um I will formally resign from the process subcommittee um Rachel I think maybe we want to have you say that you want to resign as well and then I turn to Tom to see what we need to do to formalize all this well I think appointing the the the difference between the two things is that the process subcommittee is a formal Committee of councel uh with power to delegated by Council to organize the process for the CU South annexation project um so that should probably be appointed by Council motion uh and Sam if you'd like we could do the same thing we did last time which is do it by um telling me what you want and

[187:00] I'll draft it and put it on the consent agenda for the next regular council meeting the beginning of March uh and then the uh invitation doesn't need any action from Council very good and Tom just to clarify would it be okay if we made a motion under matters tonight to appoint um Bob and Aaron to the process subcommittee and then open the public hearing and took a vote Yes okay should we do that under Matters from the mayor and members of council or should we do it now uh I it doesn't matter you you the your rules allow you to do e it either now or at the end of um the at the end of the matters okay super thanks for the advice Rachel um couple things I wanted to clarify with Tom you know when we did the Excel negotiations there were um some people who were um not super excited that council members were were stepping up to do that so I wanted to make sure um that there are no legal issues if Sam and I go forward and do

[188:01] this so hope to clarify that no there weren't then and there are aren't now um the when Council two council members can meet U and not it's not a a a meeting under the open meetings act uh under the open meetings act for a local government body it requires three Mee members it becomes a meeting if the council delegates authority to a committee which is what the process subcommittee is and then you do have to follow the open meetings act uh an invitation from the city manager for two council members to provide informal advice on negotiations isn't of any Authority okay um thank you for that clarification and I I I do want to say to any community members um watching we are sensitive to um wanting to make sure that the community has information and um people aren't alarmed by this so um feel free to reach out to samur or the process subcommittee members with any um concerns and and I it would be my

[189:02] intention that we um are very transparent and loop the community in frequently um and fully so um with that I will also formally resign from the process subcommittee and I will flag for so hopefully that's great um and then also to Tom just another question um with a vote tonight when when are we officially not the process subcommittee and free to um meet with Chris that would be effective immediately thanks thank you Rachel so and with that I'm going to make a motion I'm going to move that we appoint um Bob and Aaron as members of the CU South process subcommittee Rachel I'll I'll um Second and I don't know if it needs to be a

[190:00] part of Mo of the motion that um we also want people to we also want our colleagues to accept our resignations from the subcommittee so I might add that so thank you I accept that Amendment um and is that a second I take it Rachel it is yep okay very good we have a motion and a second for Council to accept M Rachel's resignation from the C South process subcommittee and to appoint Bob and Aron as the new members of the CU South process subcommittee um Tom I assume this can be a show of hands yes okay Adam you might want to open that uh public hearing real quick yep thank you very much appreciated so um we have motion second um let's open the um public hearing so Brenda can you rem remind me of what

[191:00] we do here do we look for people to raise their hands in the chat we do yes um the other thing we could do is I could it would take me a minute but I could try to throw together a quick slide with the link to tonight's meeting um so that other members of the public who might be watching on YouTube um could join us for that meeting so just a minute to do that I'm happy to pull that together yep that would be great um and Tom is it okay if we make the motion um open the public hearing and wait for people to um inform Brenda and then come back to it so can we move on in other words to an item under Matters from the mayor members of council and come back to this public Hearing in a few minutes yes you can okay super so if it's okay with Council we'll do that we'll give five minutes for Brenda to get a slide up and people to come in thanks Adam for

[192:00] the reminder and while we're waiting for that um why don't we move on to um item the next item uh Alicia you want to take us to the next item yes sir of of course item 8A is our next item and that will be an update from the city manager search committee I dentifying the city manager finalist thank you very much and I will turn to our search committee Mary and Aon Mary do you want to get it started yes I will do that so um throughout the course of Last Friday and Saturday um Council interviewed five semifinalists for the position of city manager they were candidates Ki G A and L and we're using letters to identify them in order to U preserve the confidentiality of the um

[193:01] semi-finalists um so council members um were all aligned in their ratings of the semifinalists which um has resulted in two very strong finalists um so therefore the subcommittee recommends um candidates K candidate K and candidate I as the two finalists so um we'll open it up for Council discussion here thank you Mary Aaron do you want to add anything no Ju Just to say that um yeah that these two finalists uh were chosen by every single council member as their top two choices so we had a strong consensus on who our semifinal who our finalist should be and uh you know we had originally thought maybe we would have three finalists but the consensus on the top two was so strong that we felt like um it would be efficient to

[194:00] just bring those two forward thank you eron then I've got Bob and Rachel Bob yeah I just want to add a clarification and then ask a question um clarification on the process as Mary said uh council members you interviewed the five semifinalists on Friday and Saturday last week um we didn't do that as a whole Council we broke up um there was not a public meeting um and then our our input on the five semifinalists was were solicited separately and independently by our HR director and our recruiting consultant and so as Mary said interestingly and surprisingly or maybe not surprisingly given the strengths of of the top two candidates we independently and separately identified uh the the two candidates that Mary mentioned as our top two candidates as finalists I wanted to be very clear about the fact that we didn't sit around in a room and talk about it we we um we interviewed these people and then we waited in and and uh the votes were compiled and and uh it was a very a very um clear alignment so I think that speaks highly

[195:00] to the two candidates uh um just a question and Mary and Aaron if you know or maybe if Jen sprinkle is on she could answer the question um so we've identified these candidates by letter I I think we all appreciate the fact that we've G from over 60 applicants to 13 quarter finalists to five uh finalists who we interviewed a week ago and to to the two finalists that the community will have an opportunity to to meet next week um when will the the names and backgrounds of those two finalists be available to the community I know we've got a um some sessions lined up for next Thursday for community members to meet them and ask them questions hear their presentations will that be available later this week or early next week that the actual names and and backgrounds of those two finalist thank you Bob I see I see Jen has popped up on our screen so Jen what what do we got yeah I'm happy to jump in uh so the next step will be the recruiter will notify these individuals that they've been selected by Council as

[196:00] fin I'm sorry to interrupt can you just say your name and your role for the city please yes Jen sprinkle the HR Director for the city of Boulder thank you yeah so the next step is the recruiter will notify these individuals that they've been selected by Council as finalists so we'll give those folks an opportunity um to um prepare for their names to be public um as finalists and so a press release will be issued um after that that process is complete so um that will be before our community Forum next week um which is on the 25th so by February 24th the press release will be issued great Jen and and to the extent that we can um get it out a few days before that that'd be great I realize we have to work with them and and they don't know yet and so on so forth so but I think as much advanced notice as we can provide to the community um so they can do you know do their own due diligence on these people and and be prepared for the for

[197:00] the the meeting with these two people on the the 25th I think that'd be great so as early as we can they possible thanks yeah and I believe we're targeting this week uh barring unforeseen circumstances that'd be perfect Daren thank you so much you very much Rachel yeah um Bob asked my question basically about when when we would get notice out to the community who I know are very interested in this um so I would just add that I thought it was a a delightful process and once again we have sort of some unanimity on this Council and that also feels very good so nice work to um Aaron and Mary and that um process committee on getting us to this point Thank you thank you Rachel and I also want to make a comment and have a question um so first comment is I thought it was an excellent excellent um step to anonymize everything um it was great to be reading through the resumés as we look through

[198:01] the semi-finalists with nothing but the qualification and experience there we didn't know the names we didn't know the cities that they were from it was and and many items that could have been identifying were redacted from the materials we got so I just want to say that that is a a step that I think we should take um kind of broadly in the organization it's not like that um Council gets to hire city manager City attorney or municipal judge very often but that was a really helpful way to do it I don't know how it's done within the city but it I will just comment that I thought it was um I've never done that before I've hired a lot of people and I've never gone through resumés in that way and I thought it was super helpful um and then the question Tom do we need a motion of any kind here to uh ratify this or can our committee our appointed subcommittee just move ahead with

[199:04] this you're on mute sorry it would be helpful to have a motion there are legal consequences to someone being a finalist that don't apply to semi-finalists and I would feel more comfortable if we drew a clear bright line between the two so approve the selection of the two finalists you could do it by a show of hands and Tom just to be clear since it's under matters if we do that we need to open a public hearing is that correct yes or you could suspend the rules and wave the public hearing I I think we probably just want to dot our eyes and cross our teas unless Council would like to to suspend the rules um shortly after we get to Mary we'll put a slide up that has a way for people to um come in for the public hearing and then they should indicate whether they want to speak about the um city manager or about the CU South

[200:00] process subcommittee with that I'll turn to Mary and then Aon Mary yeah thanks Sam um several of um you all mentioned the process and how well it went and I agree it was a very smooth process and um the redaction was really quite um phenomenal in that we were purely evaluating the candidates on their um experience and capabilities um but I wanted to thank um Jen sprinkle and um Heather our consultant who have really done the heavy leting on this um Aaron and I just get asked questions and and then we give direction and off they go um but they have definitely been doing all of the heavy lifting and have done a stupendous job and so I just wanted to recognize them and thank them thank you Mary Ain I

[201:00] was gonna make that same point thank you Mary um and Jen uh is still here thank you you uh spent so many hours with us over the last few days in the interviews and helping uh correlate the um the feedback and such so just incredibly appreciative of all that uh very hard and very high quality work as well as from our search consultant Heather so thanks so much and I'm happy to make a motion if now is a reasonable time to do so I think it is we'll we'll do your motion and then we'll do the public hearing on the first motion and vote on that and then we'll do a public hearing on the second motion so go ahead Aon okay and then I do have a little bit more information to give about next steps as well but um I will go ahead and move uh the council move candidates K and I as the two finalists for the city manager position second okay we have a motion in a second we will open a public hearing on that as

[202:00] well so Brenda I'm gonna turn to you and you said you would talk us through your thoughts on this I'm happy to so I'm going to share my screen now um and let me go ahead and make that just a little bigger for folks um so here is the link to join tonight's virtual meeting um so we invite any of the public who are watching on YouTube or Channel 8 to do so now um you can use that phone number to join by phone as well and then what we'll do is as people join us um Sam you want to go ahead and do this public hearing first the one we just had a motion on um for the finalist candidates sorry Sam is that correct we'll start with the motion for the yes start with the motion on the CU South process subcommittee sorry Zoom crashed on me briefly apies no worries so we'll

[203:02] start with the motion on the CU sub committee process committee I'm not wording anything well um by of of the folks who are stepping off of that committee so if you are interested in participating in that hearing um please raise your hand now you will find your hand raise button um if you click the participant icon at the bottom of your screen you will find a hand raise button in that box or under your reactions if you have an icon that says reactions you will find a raise hand button there there I have activated that feature for everyone so folks should be able to use that feature now we do have two hands up at the moment Sam so we can get started as other folks find their way to us perfect that's great I see the

[204:00] two hands and the two hands I see are Laura Tyler and Lynn seagull you'll each have three minutes to speak and we will also collect more hand raisers for a couple CLE more minutes um Laura why don't we start with you you'll have three minutes hi everyone thanks so much for uh this opportunity to speak um great job Sam and Rachel uh on the subcommittee I'm sad to see you go you did fantastic work um we're really delighted with the turnout on the beard Boulder uh looks like it's getting a lot of response and so yes this motion has my wholehearted support and I believe I can safely speak for my neighbors and colleagues that are part of the South Boulder Creek Action Group so and then welcome Bob and Aron great thank you Laura um Lynn

[205:02] you're next sorry go ahead ly can you hear me barely uh let me turn up my volume um can you hear now that's better yes yeah um I've got to um contact people because you you're kidding right you're kidding this is a public hearing no no sorry people this is not a public hearing you just announce this right now I have to send to all of my friends like I how can I instantly do this this is unbelievable you're trying to pull Sam and Rachel who are going to support annexation 100-year flood plane flood out Olive Boulder take out our 42inch Interceptor take out the sewer system we'll have not only the mobile home

[206:02] infrastructure to deal with we have the whole of Boulder with a 100-year flood plane you are kidding this is outrageous no on Sam no on Rachel no way and Rachel's right when she said yeah this is is this going to be any kind of a problem maybe it's not a legal problem Tom but it's a problem for the city of Boulder it's a problem for transparency it's a problem just like you did for 10 years of working against us on the municipalization effort because you had no spine as a lawyer in our situation trying to get for 10 years you know this is unbelievable you just pull up a public hearing out of nowhere and everyone's supposed to come and guess what I had to forward them my link which is illegal to do come and get me send the police Tom because people need to get on through this they can't go to channel8 and actually make a statement

[207:00] can they can they um who is on here sorry um Brenda can they this is called um engagement public engagement this is not public engagement unbelievable trying to pull this public hearing no notice see South biggest deal happening to Boulder 300 acre campus there you know a football field size of 20 stories of dirt that the city of Boulder supposed to give to see you on a platter that's what Sam and Rachel want annexation that's what Sam Sam and Rachel want another whole university in this town this is unbelievable no way you just do this over you know public hearing this is no public hearing this is a joke this city this this engagement

[208:02] process this is outrageous I thought this was a progressive University Town yeah it's a University Town two universities for one town of 107,000 people they don't need any handholding they've got plenty of other campuses the annexation has nothing to do with safety Rachel in the South thank you Lynn your time is up so just to be clear to those who are commenting the comment is on the motion to have Rachel and I come off of the process of committee and Bob and Aaron to come on we haven't restructured anything in any significant way as far as the process that will be held going forward um so I just want to make that clear we have two more people with hands up I see Paul colan and Brad seagull um

[209:04] Paul good evening council members um yeah I'm going to comment also on this this process of the public hearing this was I mean how many people are still watching this meeting right now and Brenda I know you put the URL up but you didn't put it up long enough I fortunately I was watching on H YouTube so I was able to stop the video and go back and and find the url and type it in um but this uh you know you you guys are in a tough situation matter how you decide on see you South you know there're going to be a lot of people are going to be unhappy but this process doesn't help doing the process this way doesn't help things so um the the Optics are bad and that's all I have to say thank

[210:00] you thank you Paul next we have Brad seagull and then Margaret lant Brad oh yeah can you hear me we can yeah I I happen to agree with both uh Paul and my sister which doesn't actually happen that often I don't agree with my sister a lot of times uh she's right on the nose I think you guys really need to be careful with this I'm not going to get into all the details about all my opinions on this but it does not look transparent and it's really making me nervous man I've been here 40 years and I have not seen this kind of stuff going on until recently and there's some bad things going on we got to be real careful about how this is coming across to the public uh this is going to be looking bad I'm I'm very concerned I was very concerned about the process that went on when Bob and uh Sam were working with uh Excel and I think we got to be real careful about how we move ahead

[211:00] maybe this is legal I don't know what to what Tom's got in mind but it does not look good and I'm trying to be a reasonable citizen I generally don't come across as some kind of crazy but uh we got to watch out here I'm just urging some real caution Rachel I think is on the right track understanding there's going to be some people really having some problems with this and it started to look bad even though maybe this is just one little step right now I would say be very careful thank you Brad next we have Margaret lmps Margaret you should there we go all right I'm very sorry because I didn't get notice of this meeting and a public hearing until probably uh maybe 10 minutes ago so I do not know what you all have said but I share the feelings

[212:00] of the previous speaker that I'm absolutely infuriating infuriated that I have not heard about this or votes or any other thing like like that I am usually a pretty reasonable member of the public who is cares a lot and knows a lot about is what is going on but I feel incredibly in the dark about all of the kinds of things that are taking place that are not transparent and I don't think this is the boulder that I move to and care about and I do not think this is what the public wants to know about I only found out about this uh public hearing because of a uh a per a citizen who told me about it and so I joined in so I feel like I don't really know what all is going on However the fact that I don't

[213:02] know about what's going on and that I am as most of you know very well I am a well informed and truly committed citizen of this community the fact that I don't know about this is absolutely an aberration that should not happen I would really like for whatever decisions are going on about Su you South to stop right now for really genuine public participation to take place thank you thank you margin um so I guess we have a suggestion that we talk about how this would happen in a physical public hearing we would do the same thing that we did tonight except that people who are present physically in the room would be able to raise their hands and I would just emphasize that um

[214:01] from the standpoint of the process for CU South essentially nothing has changed in the sense of we'll have the process subcommittee and then there will be the opportunity and we haven't gotten to this yet but we we will in the next couple days we will add additional public um engagement opportunities to work with Rachel and I if if we go forward with this to hear directly on what community members think we should be bringing to CU to speak with us about so Aeron I see you and then juny I have to say I based on the public testimony and and my own thoughts before that that I'm I'm a little uncomfortable going ahead and and having a vote on something that we just announced a few minutes ago Sam your point is totally appropriate and that nothing fundamentally is changing but um you know given Community concern around the issue you know having a last minute

[215:00] public hearing I think is maybe not the best approach so what I'm wondering is um you know I think as I understand Rachel and and Sam can just resign right I mean we don't need a motion to approve their resignations can what we're I think what we need the motion to do is to point Bob and myself to the process subcommittee can we just table that for now and put it um on the consent agenda for our is it March 2nd meeting I believe um so that the community has a chance to weigh in and if they feel I mean because that's really what we're doing is just appointing Bob and I to that committee and if with a couple weeks lead time people think that's a terrible idea they can let us know and it might we might vote differently but um I'm just a little uncomfortable going ahead and having vote tonight can I call on that real quick go ahead um so as somebody who who has uh been pretty passionately involved on CU South I do understand when you hear the word c South you get pretty alarmed and um don't want to miss something and don't

[216:01] want Council to take an action that might um you know harm harm your goals in it and I completely appreciate where um community members are coming from on that and have felt it myself so don't discount it even a little bit um that said with a process subcommittee like when Sam and I were appointed a year plus ago um I don't even remember there being a public hearing or anybody talking about it I'm not sure that we had public comment on um I can't remember police subcommittee or you know we have our big decision sort of um appointing committees uh at the beginning of the two-year cycle so I just want to make sure that um that we don't cause unnecessary delays in in responding to this because I I absolutely get it and I'm just not sure that we usually even get public comment on what's sort of an internal decision of like two people aren't willing to serve on the committee and and two others are and there's not a

[217:02] ton of um options there so like maybe that's just a question on the history Mark and the juny as a matter of parliamentary procedure do we have the ability um to hold this public hearing open and find 15 minutes to deal with it on Tuesday even though it's a study session I mean I'm prepared to go forward today because I don't think there's any substantive uh harm that's being done but if if there's a perception that we're acting in haste um uh just to explore the option of of finalizing it on Tuesday when people can make more comments if that's what they choose to do I I'm I'm hardpressed to see the disadvantage of finishing it tonight because it's simply appointing two new members um to a process subcommittee but

[218:00] if that will make people feel a little better and and possibly make Aaron feel a little better is that something we could do yes so I'd rather not wait two weeks to get get Bob and and and Aaron going I I you know it's you'd have to call a special meeting to to take action at a study session uh and I I think the mayor can call a special meeting on 24 hours notice but I'm just look I was just reading the charter which is why I gave you such a short answer Mark okay um uh juny and then Bob I think I just wanted to say exactly what um Erin said I did at first feel uncomfortable with the process but I didn't fully understand it anyway I think that was why I didn't raise any concern but after hearing what Aeron said I agree if that will help community

[219:01] members and I think from what I'm hearing from you Sam is that that's the way things usually happen so in a way it's a bit confusing how the process is going um but if postponing it would help community members and get more feedback on how to move forward and the member who would be on that committee actually said let's wait and get it done on March second I would say why not wait and take the community members or the future community members advice committee members advice Bob and then Mary Bob I'll say two things which are kind of contradictory but bring it I'll bring it home I I would observe that earlier this evening we appointed a council subcommittee um on consent agenda without a public hearing so we do that all the time as racial observed with that said um I joined with Aon and I guess since we're the two two members of the of the uh to be appointed to the committee I joined with Ain and and uh

[220:00] we heard some concerns from from committee members they ultimately may not have a problem with Ain and I serving but they don't have any advanced notice of that and there maybe and this has been in um we've had quite a number of of active community members so I think I would tee this up um I don't like the idea of of rushing a hearing at um and adding a a hearing at a study session I think we should just put this on either public hearing or consent on uh March 2nd um at consent people can speak at open comment or we can do a public hearing if people want I don't really care um but I I I do that the one consequence I would observe on that um so I'm I'm gonna agree with Aon agree with some of the speakers the one thing that I would observe on that however is that means that um either Rachel and Sam need to go forward with um the previously scheduled uh uh process committee meeting this Friday or we need to cancel that meeting and reschedule it for two weeks hence um I'm fine with either one

[221:00] um if Rachel and um Sam need to get going with the um support that Chris asked for perhaps the best thing to do would be to cancel the meeting and put this on the March 2 agenda Mary uh Bob just brought up the point I was going to bring up which was what happens on Friday with the subcommittee meeting but well if we choose to um continue this hearing which would be what I would suggest if we want to do it for later we can continue the hearing um close it for today just stop it for now um reopen the hearing uh March 2nd or at a special meeting and then um take testimony and then until we do that um you know I think Rachel and I would remain on the process subcommittee but I would really rather turn to staff we see

[222:00] that we have Joe katuchi here and hear what staff would prefer as far as um to have the meeting on Friday or to reschedule it I I think um I don't know if Joe's ready to do that or not um we can probably do it later um but Joe if you have a thought it would be interesting for us to hear yeah Joe Tadich director of utilities and I can be quick I think it would be good to keep this Friday's meeting just because the schedule is is so tight for this year and to be able to meet with you and Rachel and get some uh guidance on the pro process going forward okay well with that then I'll make a suggestion and then people can react to it I would hold this public hearing I continue i' suggest continuing this public hearing scheduling it for March 2nd and doing finalize accepting

[223:01] resignation and replacing Rachel and I on the process subcommittee um I'm open to comment Mark and then Rachel yeah I can you make your resignations from the process committee effective uh some right after the Friday meeting so that uh uh as Council action is not required for you to work with staff you would be resigned from from the committee but you would not lose two weeks in terms of any other work you're doing that's a question for Tom I I think the answer is yes but Tom yes the answer is yes you can okay so so then I'm just going to summarize Mark to make sure that I understand you're suggesting that Rachel and I don't tender our resignations tonight we do it after the Friday meeting correct okay do your other work and on March 2nd we will decide on your Replacements very goodel

[224:02] I was gonna suggest something similar to mark that we maybe tender resignations tonight effective Saturday morning or something like that so that we don't have to revisit this and um we can have the meeting and there's no issues and then I just wanted to flag um it Bob mentioned may be putting this on consent so that people have time to comment at open comment or to email or to call us um I'm not sure for a uh process issue that's really an internal question Sam and I have resigned two council members and only two have stepped up that it's a valuable use of this council's time frankly to take hours away from other work that we could be doing to hear about a process question um in a public hearing because I think it will be ours if we open it up um as its own agenda item so I think the consent agenda makes sense people can speak at open comment and and still reach out but I don't know that we should be pushing other things aside for what's it really an internal

[225:00] decision very good Aon yeah I think that makes sense and and and if we can always pull it off consent if people you email in and say that Bob and I are the worst possible appointments you know we can we can pull it off and and have appoint two different people so if we get we'll hear from the community if people think it's a bad idea and to that to that point would maybe the best process approach be to uh withdraw the motion for tonight and then um have a a new motion come back on the consent agenda for the March 2nd meeting I Look to Tom here that would be fine so so I think that that probably makes sense Aaron um so then just to walk this through Rachel and I will Tinder our resignations tonight subject effective on Saturday and then we can bring back the appointment um on consent

[226:00] is that your suggestion Ain and so the the motion on consent will be to appoint Bob and Aaron to the CU South process subcommittee and we will take Community input on that going forward Council does that make sense okay very good so I will amend my resignation to say that I will resign from the process see South process subcommittee effective Saturday Rachel that's exactly what I was going to say I amend my resignation to be effective uh this Saturday um morning I guess I don't know if we need an exact time but that's my intention okay very good um so we've heard from the community Rachel and I resign after the next process subcommittee meeting and um between now and then that will be what we work on is

[227:01] just the process subcommittee only and then we'll resign and we can see what Chris would like us to do with staff after that um with that I think we're done with this item because there's no sorry sorry to interrupt but I forget who who made the motion I think that might have been me so do you want to actually formally withdraw the motion then I will formally withdraw the motion to appoint um Aon and Bob to the process subcommittee I seconded it so if I need to withdraw that I also do okay thanks for talking through everybody y you bet thank you all for the input and so that takes us to our next item which we are also taking input on and that was the uh cityy manager so do we have any hands for

[228:03] that um I do not see hands for that yet um let me open my box again and look uh I have put the slide up again for any folks who would like to weigh in on um choosing the finalist um by letter of the city manager it looks like folks who we have had a couple folks joined since we started the first hearing so I'll just say the best way to find your raised hand button is either through your participant box you click on the participant icon and there may be a button um to raise hand at the bottom of that box or you may find it in your reactions box and I'm not seeing any hands I don't

[229:02] see any hands either H there's a hand no went away ly seagull ly this uh public hearing is about the city manager candidates who we've identified by letter so if you have comments on that um you're good to go my hand was raised that's why we glitches happen that's why we called on you ly right well it's just lucky that my hand raised what because I done it multiple times just saying now you can go ahead and after what I have to say discount it because I'm speaking to the wrong issue or something but you know what this needs to be more of a dialogue the last thing I didn't even

[230:00] understand Rachel and Sam are leaving this the that process subcommittee so they can be appointed to a another thing that's about Su South but you're you're gonna need to speak to the city manager search my time Sam my time Sam no it's not your time you get to speak it's a confusion on the from the public it's a confusion to the public what is even going on Lyn to right now we're speaking about the city manager okay let's see if we have anyone else who wants to speak about the nominations for the city manager and Sam to be clear I muted Lynn so that she would be able to hear what you were trying to say to her thank you Lynn we really do need to concentrate on this tonight we put off the um the CU South process subcommittee

[231:03] appointments until um March 2nd so if you would like to speak you can speak on that I see Paul colan also has his hand raised but the subject for now is the city manager nominees so I'm gonna have Brenda unmute you Lynn and if you have any comments on that subject we'd be happy to hear them I watched the city manager when Jane came on this is a big deal the city manager stays forever before you can get rid of him luckily we got rid of Jane I want to see the pre the ones that you go through first and the council just throws out without me even knowing who they are and I get it that they're trying to get jobs and so you know they can't let their employer know and that kind of thing but I want to see everything that you see

[232:00] and I don't you already bet them yourself maybe one of those people is the one I wanted I didn't want Jane I wanted the guy from Ann Arbor that was I don't know 10 years ago I listened to all the interviews I worked on this a lot Sam so give me some credit here I would like to see who those people are what their bios are be able to review them not just be given a few or a couple or I don't know how many people that you've already decided to vet your sell that's not right the public should have an option to see those people and not by their name so that we could you know risk them their job and their Community but by their values we've got a huge issue coming up with this virus and with climate change with municipalization with which I'm intending to do in 2025 Sam as soon as we can get out of excel but we need a manager that's going

[233:00] to appreciate those things and we need to know who those options are it's hard enough to know what somebody's to turn out to be and you know approving the Oz without even going to council first you know are we going to get another city manager that's going to do something like that that he has the audacity to actually say oh there wasn't a council meeting in time so Lyn your time's up thank you for your comments and we'll go now to Paul Coleman Paul you thank you Council I'm I'm here um this is real short I just would really like you to have three finalists instead of two I don't know maybe there's a big drop off in quality after the first two but I would appreciate if there were three finalists thank you po Paul if I could

[234:00] ask you a question we've got you on the phone why would you prefer three to two exactly because I gives us more choice I mean I know nothing about these are letters I know nothing about anybody um and you're saying that only two of these people are worth looking at um I'd rather look at three okay thank you that's noted um and then we've got Brad seagull oh yeah can you hear me we can Brad I tend to to back what Paul says I realize you guys have probably had a good process and maybe very well you've got you know two that are just great I I was kind of looking at three I was sort of looking forward to talking to three that seems like a little more reasonable number to be able to have uh we've had processes at CU where they only had one candidate that was no good two is not

[235:01] quite so good either so I guess I'd just say it would feel better to me we had a chance you know something like what my sister brought up the idea we're not going to be seeing all the details about the person I understand these confidentiality issues that's a reasonable Point um but uh it seems like three would be better I I back Paul on that thank you Brad I will bring it back to council then um we have no more hands up and so um I guess I'll start with Adam Adam yeah I'd just like to say for the community's uh interest that uh when you put someone out in the public um in a in a job role like this potentially hiring them they put at risk their current job and uh that can have very devastating negative consequences for them if they're visibly looking for other work so um keep that in mind when

[236:02] we choose two instead of three um if if we don't feel they have a really really good sh at getting this job we don't want to sacrifice their current job as well so think about that a little bit too please and I would follow up that comment Adam which I agree with with another comment which is this is ultimately going to be a council hire and I think another consideration that we had was given that there was such broad agreement on these two candidates we did not want to to bring someone in that had all the risk that Adam pointed out when the chances that um they were going to be the final selection were were small and so I think there's also a balancing act that we took the advice really of our consultant uh and our professional HR folks on if

[237:02] you know that um a person that you're bringing in is very unlikely to make the cut then it can be more damaging to them not only for their career risk but all the work that you're making them do and and the um the uh amount that you're putting them out so I just wanted to say that that entered in the conversation as well Rachel yeah I I had the same thought as um Adam and your addition to it Sam and also just want to add to um one of the commenters points about releasing like the redacted versions to the whole Community um I was able to you know intu it or figure out some cities on the redacted versions um so I don't think it would be protecting privacy if we did release that so I just want to flag that as as uh I'm sure that Jen and HR would have a similar concern but um I I don't

[238:02] see that being viable because you can read between the lines in a lot of ways and um Google information and figure things out so I I support the two because I think that um there was just such broad agreement and then um a uh just a large enough Gulf that I think we would be causing harm to ask a third person to come to the city and put their um job at risk when Our intention is really to be looking at these two thank you Rachel Aaron also they're fantastic candidates and I think when they're um made public and when people have a chance to talk to them I think there will be a legitimate Choice involved and there will be uh two great potential choices to be made so I realize you have to kind of trust us here which people some people aren't going to want to do but um the there was a real drop off to the number three position so it'll be fun seeing the finalist in

[239:01] interviews with the community yeah and I will say to the community I think you will enjoy meeting these two folks so um I think with that um we can take a vote and our vote is to accept the recommendation of our city manager search subcommittee to bring in the two candidates um I believe it's K and I that they brought forward so um Tom is this a show of hands yes it's a show hson very good so all in favor of bringing candidates K and I raise your hand very good that's unanimous we'll do that okay and Alicia would you like to take us to our final item oh I'm sorry I apologize I thought

[240:00] we were done Bob and then Aaron yeah I just want to make a process observation um you know when we have this rule it's been around for a really long time that if a motion is made under matters we open a public hearing it's wable Rule and sometimes we do wave it it seemed to work when we were in Chambers and those who happen to be in Chambers sometimes came up and and and commented but it doesn't seem to work on Zoom um and um the there is an engagement there's a community engagement subcommittee which consists of Rachel and me and and coincidentally we have a meeting tomorrow so I just wanted to offer on behalf of Rachel and me sorry Rachel um that we we'll we'll tackle this problem at our meeting tomorrow and we'll bring forward to council some suggestions on how to address it again it seemed to work in Chambers but it doesn't seem to work online and so Rachel I will come up with maybe a couple of ideas we'll bring them back to Council in a few weeks whenever CAC can schedule um this and give you guys some some thoughts on how

[241:02] we make motions under matters and and how do we handle public hearings um so just maybe stand by on that and we'll see if we can we can avoid this problem in the future cool and I'll follow up Bob and say from my experience it was never really that satisfying in Chambers to be quite honest because you had the converse problem right of people watching channel 8 who might have wanted to comment on something that came up under matters and there was very little way for them to make their way to council chambers late at night to be able to comment so I've always found the matters question I it seems to me like we should either not take public comment and just make the appointments we're going to make or if we're going to invite public comment we either invite it ahead of time so we get it via email or um we make it into an item of some kind so when you take that back um Bob and I think that's a great idea I appreciate the suggestion that you do

[242:00] that realize that it didn't really work very well in matters uh sorry in Chambers either and we've struggled with this as long as I've been on Council that's a great Point Sam so we'll come up with some solutions or some proposed solutions that um that deal with both in Chambers and on Zoom so it can be a permanent solution even after we're back together again thank you Rachel yeah good idea um Bob and yeah it these are uncomfortable and and um odd situations where we do these um public hearings on matters especially on Zoom I'm just wondering if there are any um legal um issues involved if it's possible that um B could could get back to us kind of early tomorrow I think we meet at like 9:45 just if there's anything we should be aware of that might be limiting for our ideas no there's no requirement in the law that there be a public hearing it's a tradition and Boulder and an expectation from the community so it's

[243:00] more of a policy consideration on your behalf than a legal one okay thanks Aon yeah thanks for that offer Bob I look forward to what you and Rachel come up with um and then I just Sam I I had a little bit more information about the the finalists and city manager if I could go ahead and share that that'd be great thank you Erin great so um as we talked about before the the names of the finalists and some background information about them um will be made available uh soon hopefully in the next two or three days but no later than February 24th and then there will be a virtual community meeting as mentioned before on Thursday to 7:30 which will give um community members a chance to meet and provide feedback on our two finalists and uh there'll also be a chance to ask questions in there and speak with the candidates in small groups during virtual breakout sessions um we'll have um as Chris mentioned earlier there'll be a place where you

[244:00] can register on online uh located on the city's calendar to to get meeting instructions and um you can submit question questions for the candidates in advance the event if you're not going to be able to attend um the event will include interpretation in Spanish and will also be recorded and made available afterwards and then we will look forward as Council to getting the community's feedback on the finalist when people have had a chance to learn more about them and after this event and uh just also FYI to the community that there will be other events with the finalists for um internal um staff stakeholders department heads and such like that so this is one part of um the Outreach that's that's happening so that's what I had Mary anything else very good you covered it all Aaron sorry I was a little slow to my unmute thank you all um anything else on

[245:00] this item okay very good Alicia what's our last item um it is is Item B which is maintaining safe and welcoming public spaces update continuation and it is a scheduling discussion thank you Alicia um so I'll just tee this up a little bit and then we'll go out and make sure that I'm teeing it up right and get feedback from Council so um CAC came off of the last discussion on this subject and we tried to schedule something quickly and we realized that we're going to have trouble scheduling it there were some conflicts with people who could be there and not and probably more is we weren't sure exactly what we were scheduling so I think tonight is a scoping and a scheduling discussion and I have brought to this discussion a few buckets that I just want to put out there that are subject matter that I

[246:01] think relate to the um the issue at hand encampments and safe public spaces and then I will happily write down others that I've forgotten and then I will kick us off to see how Council wants to proceed so um the items I have written down to talk about and try and schedule either in one hearing or in multiple um are the issue of additional resources in the city do we want a city cleanup crew and then do we want an ambassador program and or uh additional um police presence um another item that was brought up and I don't believe we resolved were some suggestions about additional ordinances relative to propane tanks and or tents in public spaces there was um I think uh meth rehab and Recovery was a subject that was touched on I don't think we spent

[247:01] much time on that though I'm not sure there's action for us and then there's the question of additional services in the city whether it be sanctioned encampment or safe parking and I think the focus there was it something run by a nonprofit or private organization so those are five buckets that I have Bob Sam I think you've done a good job on the buckets I have a thought on dates too we should probably scope first because that might um inform us on what date would be appropriate based on how long this discuss discussion would be I I don't disagree with your buckets I think that's a good one I'll just make two comments first with respect to the last point you made about sanction campgrounds and say parking I I think our staff was pretty clear and I think a majority in Council indicated at a meeting gosh probably six or seven months ago now that that was not something we wanted to spend City resources on so if the question is do we want to revisit that discussion I I

[248:01] think that's separate from uh this encampments discussion and and certainly if there's a major Council who want to have that discussion revisit that decision at some point in time in the future that's fine but I don't think that falls under this umbrella certainly was not within the scope of the staff's memo for our meeting on January 19th which we're effectively um continuing now um if if it's and Rachel earlier in the evening did um ask a hep a question which is what if somebody privately wants to do that are there things the city needs to um to weigh in on I guess around maybe safety or health or something like that I again I'm not really keen on answering hypothetical questions if there's an organization in town that wants to do these with their own land and their own money and they want to come to City staff and say Hey listen we're doing this what things we need to be thinking about I I think that becomes ripe at that point in time but I'm not sure that we have a whole lot of time to answer hypothetical questions um unless they're they're real so I I guess I would

[249:00] probably not includ my my preference would be not to include um either a sanctioning campground um or or safe parking discussion in in in what was a pretty narrow discussion with some subparts initially um regardless of whether it's a revisiting of the city's earlier decision not to have the city fund these things or if it's just a hypothetical question about what if somebody wants to do it privately so I would I would actually exclude that from this discussion we can have a separate discussion about whether we want to bring it back at a different date you see you mentioned in the resource um bucket which is the first bucket you um talked about uh the the staff had recommended or recommended we consider potentially um uh additional resources for our parks department to do cleanup potentially some Rangers um potentially some police um Staffing and then you also mentioned an ambassador program and I'm quite keen on having a discussion about that and I I I suspect we probably won't be able to have this continued discussion for four to six weeks we'll talk about a date

[250:01] here in a few minutes um and I I I would I would urge if if if this is the will of a majority of council I would urge um staff to um to to lay that out as an option I don't know if staff will recommend it or not but I'd like to at least have it here what the options are I know that our downtown organization has indicated that they would support this financially that they would be happy to manage it um there are organizations out there that run Ambassador programs that um provide um ambassadorship but also provide light cleanup which might help Ali roads' team and parks and um they actually provide a presence and so it could could actually result in a reduction in the number of police officers that we need to have in the affected area which I think is primarily downtown and around the Civic area it it's it's economically advantageous as I understand it to use these ambassadors they're not police officers they don't carry guns they don't have badges but they do provide a presence and they're quite a bit less expensive than having police officers so I'd like to at least at this rescheduled and continued um meeting to hear from

[251:03] staff to hear from the downtown organizations about what this might look like so we can make an informed decisions do we hire more cops do we hire um more people to do cleanup or is there a third path here through a contract um which probably gives us a fair amount of flexibility and from what I understand is quite a bit cheaper so my only request would be that we include that Ambassador option as part of the package when we come back super so I have that included and just to be clear so that um I'm not confusing folks I was not suggesting that we revisit City sponsored sanction encampment or city sponsored or funded safe parking I I think it had been brought up by some members of council as something that they were interested in finding out are there barriers I don't know if we want to talk about it I just have it as a bucket to to hear from council members on but I was not suggesting uh and I

[252:00] haven't heard a suggestion that we revisit the previous decision about not considering them at the moment for funding so I was and I'll I'll leave it to people who are interested in that subject to hear if they want to have this scheduled or not so first question so Aaron good um first question make sure we got the buckets and everything we want in the buckets and then let's talk about how to schedule them Erin and Rachel yeah Sam I thought your your buckets were good um and uh but I do want to make it clear as I think as I put out in my hotline post before our last meeting when we we ran out of time that that I do want to have as part of the discussion um you know additional um Service Alternatives that that we might offer uh for folks experiencing homelessness and um you know that may count as a revisit of some previous conversations but um we've been through a lot of covid since the last one we are proposing significant additional

[253:01] expenditures in the area of um of dealing with encampments um and we also have a recent example of the safe outdoor spaces in Denver that have been quite successful and actually just earlier tonight the Denver city council voted 10 to1 to expand that program going forward because it has been successful so people don't have to agree with it but I do want to make sure that it's on the tables part of discussion so eron I just want to be clear so you are suggesting that um so I believe that sanction encampment safe parking are part of your Service Alternatives right so so I believe the way you put it Service Alternatives so I can make that the headline and then we can have some subp parts to it is there anything else you'd like as a subpart no I think that that puts it well and my focus is on the um that safe outdoor space u model program that would be the one that I would want to talk over all right very good Rachel you done

[254:00] Ain I am okay so I also wanted to point out that um you know I think when we were taking the vote last month um on this issue kind of part one of it several of us said like we'd like to talk about this holistically and not you know chop it apart into enforce or not enforce because we we um Wanted also to include a discussion of as Aaron called it Service Alternatives and I think that was pretty well agreed to that we would have that opportunity so I think it would be poor form for us not to include that in part two if we agreed to include it in part one when we were sort of advocating for or in part two when we were advocating during part one to do that so um hopefully Erin's suggestions will get adopted as this um but more broadly as I was sort of thinking about what I wanted to lift up tonight I found it really hard um and almost like being asked to to pick a favorite kid like there's just so much in here that it's

[255:02] really hard to pair down we're going to have this one discussion and you know what do I really want to make sure gets on there and so I think all I want to lift up is um I think we need to have um more space for um us to create some ongoing substantive creative discussions on this issue because we're not going to get through what we need to get through in one more meeting and we need meaningful opportunities for Community engagement so that frustrated community members in all directions are not stuck with open comment and sending email emails um I I I appreciate and know that our staff works really hard on this issue but it's the biggest issue we hear about I think we all agree that we have not achieved Perfection and so um I think trying to lump in everything we ever want to talk about um you know big picture stuff here is going to be really difficult for one session so my request is to discuss at

[256:00] that session how we can dig deeper and more ongoing on this issue at the council level um the way we do with a lot of other things on our work plan um looking at also more Regional collaboration opportunities um and so that's that's my big request and then aside from that just on a smaller point I think um staff made a decision last week to um double up the number of severe weather shelter days available and my sense is that Council might want to have a discussion of that as well that's all I got Adam yeah I just wanted to say briefly this does seem like an additional expenditure or additional funding discussion and it's pretty clear that you know there is sort of a split on Council whether or not that should go all towards enforcement or all towards um additional services and it's worth having that discussion like we agreed to last time

[257:02] whether or not that should happen because I can tell you I'm probably not going to vote in favor of an all enforcement uh regime going forward um and thanks to Bob to being open to an alternative you know that's a start for sure but this is part of the discussion I want to have is how how are we going to dedicate those funds going forward because I think there's a pretty obvious split on Council about overall what we want to do with those very good thank you for that I I think we have a threshold question question that I I think is important to answer and I don't really care what the answer is but I think we need to answer it because we have a camp which wants to take the elephant in bites and break it down into some bites and talk about the bites that that's what the buckets are and we have we have what Rachel just passionately argued for is a holistic

[258:00] discussion which this is where CAC just crashed and burned because um I have a hard time articul ating what that looks like and in fact Rachel talked about a series of discussions and some other things so when I talk about a a threshold question it's what are we trying to do and so if the idea is to you know we we talked about having a holistic discussion I think that's an allnight discussion if we want to have it in the way I because I think where it's going to wander off to pretty quickly is how do we have dialogues about this with the community and I don't think I mean that's a programmatic kind of question we're not going to have one meeting or two meetings where we can decide that we're going to have to kick off interested council members to design what that would look like so I I think if we want to have a ongoing discussion that's like one type of discussion for

[259:00] us to have and if we're going to go there if that's what five council members want to do my suggestion for that is a special meeting and this is all it is is focused on that because everything Aaron that you leaned towards and Rachel talked about it as far as holistic and I think Adam even referenced that he wanted to have it that's going to take time to frame up and so what I'm trying to do here is to see what it is we're trying to frame up so council members as you listen to this discussion be thinking do you want to have a meeting that is holistic do five of us want want to have a night where this is what we talk about and you know I I'll challenge Rachel and Aaron to describe that because as I try and put bucket items together and make a list of what we talk about I feel like Aaron and Rachel perhaps don't want to frame it up that way so it would be helpful for one or both of you to describe what that

[260:00] looks like so that we can plan it but I I really do feel that that means a special meeting that devoted mostly to this because if I look down the list of items and put it in context with what Aaron and Rachel have described I think that's most of an evening um Mary thanks Sam um I I'm not entirely sure what a holistic discussion means either um but I'll start out by saying that back in January when staff came to us asking for direction on a couple of things those couple of things um one of them was whether or not Parks should establish an internal team instead of hiring out to serve pro um that is a sort of reorganization of something that we were already doing and so I don't see how so

[261:04] so to me a holistic discussion and reorganizing an internal team is like it's like apples and oranges and and so we've got the apple cart being held up by the oranges um so if we want to have a holistic discussion this is what I would propose um I would propose that we do it in the context of the regional discussion that the HRC is um supposed to take up um and to to have it within the frame of how do we work regionally and with other partners to address these issues because we're not going to do it by ourselves I mean a holistic discussion to me is not going

[262:02] to be addressed with City resources so we have to have to have partners and we have to have to do it within the context of a bigger area that is outside the boundaries of the city of Boulder so that's what to me is a holistic discussion um I um I really don't want to revisit the the encampments and the safe parking um in terms of having it be City funded um I do do think that if an outside organization wants to bring something like that forward they go to the planning department and they find out what the barriers are when they're ready to do that um so I think that having a discussion about what the barriers are is not really um it's like the it's like the callup that we had this morning right it's like

[263:01] well it's it's it's almost like my managing so if if somebody wants to do that they go through the channels in order to do that um so I think that there are two separate discussions one is let's give direction on the things that staff asks us for direction from which was basically a reorganization of stuff we were already doing and then the holistic discussion I think should be done in the context of organizing a regional discussion um because I really don't see us having any kind of impact holistically with City resources thank you Mary next I have Aaron Bob and Mark Erin well I I I think the the sort of holistic approach is is being um kind of

[264:00] portrayed as as a bigger thing than it needs to be um mayor I appreciate your talk about needing to work on things regionally I absolutely agree with that but but for me when I if you want to call it holistic I just mean that that we we talk about um the staff recommendations uh together all at the same time along with uh seeing whether there's interest in providing Service Alternatives that we might also spend some money on so so that's really it it's just that we it's just that we don't take one proposal from staff at a time at a separate meeting each one I know we're not proposing just that but the but that we don't break it up into little individual pieces and talk about each individual one completely separately but that we look at all of the proposals from staff as well as Service Alternatives um together and I mean if if CAC really thinks that takes a whole special meeting i' defer to your scheduling expertise but that doesn't seem like um it's that much longer of a

[265:00] discussion um you know it seems like something we talk about on in an evening along with another agenda item or two I just want to oh I'm sorry I I was just gonna cqu briefly that I'm not sure Aaron that you're and Rachel's descriptions match in my mind Mary go ahead yeah and and I sry say I think this is how I'm thinking I'm not I'm not speaking for Rachel here I no I get it I'm just trying to I'm trying to parse because you're both using the word holistic and I'm just I think this is good we're actually making a bit of progress here sorry Mary I interrupted you can I go now so I had a question for Aaron and so I could see um the discussion including some Service Alternatives um and I think if we had a list of what those Service Alternatives

[266:01] would be um I think then it might be a manageable discussion but if it's just uh Service Alternatives and we don't know what we're going to be talking about I don't you know I just I don't know what that means so if we had a list of Service Alternatives that we could actually have a discussion about then that would be good so do you mind if I go since Mary asked me a question yeah so Mary I mean for me personally I'm just bringing forward the the safe outdoor space model um but other people might propose other specific ones um but it's certainly fair to have people come prepared with a list in advance that's my one um that I want to talk over but I thought if I may ask um but I thought that the safe outdoor space was outdoor

[267:03] camping and sayfe parking lots which is no it's it's a it's a sanction encampment model but preset up right so it's not like people bring their own tents it's you know there's a nonprofit that sets up ice fishing tents with heaters and and then a couple shared heated spaces um I had it links to it in my hotline post it does not include parking um it's it's a it's a preset up uh Camp Campground okay people want to discuss other Alternatives yeah might have been next yeah I'm sorry Bob and then Mark yeah yeah so I I want to go back to what Mary said originally which is apples and oranges the staff in January asked us four questions and we really didn't answer them and none of them have to do with sanction campgrounds they ask us and basically that Sam Sam in the first four of Sam's five buckets he he

[268:00] summarized them very well and I think we owe it to staff to answer their questions they um and the the topic for the meeting was about keeping our public spaces safe and clean and so the staff had some ideas on how to do that some of was going to require money some was going to require reorganization and and to be fair to staff we haven't answered their questions and I think we should just take care of that business first um we should answer their questions as quickly as we can they've peed it up they've given us all the information they've given us all the research um and we just need to say yes no yes no yes no to these things I I I think a sanction Campground a revisiting of a sanction Campground um discussion is a long and complicated discussion it will require staff a significant amount of time and I just think tacking that on to these four pretty straightforward questions that staff is waiting for answers for just does staff of disservice and so you know if if a majority in Council wants to revisit our decision on sanction campground that's fine but what I really

[269:02] oppose is a process where we tack that very very lengthy and contentious and already decided decision onto four pretty straightforward questions that staff has already teed up and all we really need to take is an hour hour and a half and answer their questions mark I I I tend to agree with Bob on this um I'm a little reluctant to start retiga uh some of the questions that we dealt with and I thought had decided in January I am receptive to to a conversation after we deal with the the core issues of what staff has asked us about Public Safety to a conversation about what has changed in the world what new programs have worked what are how are they not working how might they be applicable to here um but but simply to open it up to a general uh let's do this again because

[270:00] we didn't like the answer we got in January I I don't think that's productive I'd be more than happy to hear an analysis of what the Denver programs look like what's going on nationally is there new data that we need to look at that that might change our view of the world um in terms of Service Alternatives but but simply starting again and and doing it again I'm not sure is going to be very productive for us um I would urge us to to at least Focus for the first part of this conversation on the things that we need to respond to staff on I am prepared to have a second conversation because e either one of these conversations is a full evening um and I'm happy to have two special meetings if that's what's required but let's not kid ourselves that you know looking at um Service Alternatives even in the context that I've describe them

[271:00] uh is anything less than a full evening of of conversation um and I would urge council members who want to take a look at some of these Service Alternatives to bring us information um to show why we need to take a new look I mean I I think there's a having made decisions in January I think there's a certain burden on council members who want to look at it again to show us why that's a good idea and I'm I'm always hopefully responsive to new information new data um new analysis that says hey what we looked at back then is different today because somebody's figured out a better way to do it uh why don't we look at that and and I'm I'm prepared to do that but I think in the in the first instance we need to be focusing on specific things that that we discussed at the last meeting that staff is looking for guidance on thank you any Mark and I got a lot of

[272:01] council hands up I'm going to turn to Kurt fobber who's got his hand up and see if we can inject the staff perspective I think Kirk before you start I think one thing that we'd like to hear before you end you know have to start with it is what do you want to hear from us as far as what was in the last memo we didn't touch but other than that go go whatever you were thinking uh uh thank you uh Sam so um the the other thing that I'll um interject is that um once a year we've been trying to have sort of the the annual um kind of homeless meeting and homeless update with city council where a lot of the issues that that I think are being discussed tonight um are often addressed and we look back at the last year what's worked what hasn't worked what do we need to tweak or improve um and sometimes it's looking at um other programs or other ways of doing that um

[273:01] it's normally a very full night um and um it can sometimes be the majority of only the the one item on the agenda um we haven't really scheduled that yet for this year because quite frankly I was sort of waiting to see um how these conversations and the these meetings would would play out but last year it happened in July um and then we had a follow on um meeting with additional questions that came from that in September where we focused on on severe weather shelter um as far as what's what would be helpful for staff um I think the direction that we heard at the last meeting um one is that the um I think it was item number four if I'm correct which was more around um different approaches to sentencing and um additional Serv um uh treatment services

[274:03] that happened through that there wasn't there wasn't um really any support for that on Council um I don't see us re um um litigating that conversation um I think Council was pretty clear on that um we also felt like there was support around um um identifying um approaches for residential meth treatment which is a um a very important issue in our community that needs to be tackled um the other two weren't um weren't really addressed by Council in a way that gave us Direction which was additional staff for things like Park Rangers um or um a block-to-block program or something um something like that and the other was um uh sort of reorganization of how we actually do the cleanups with an internal team and we

[275:01] could have done that without council's um um approval but there's budget implications to that and potentially staff implications that we um particularly in these tight budgets we're not able to really um maneuver that um without additional support from Council thank you Kurt I think that's very helpful so I'm going to summarize to council what I just heard which is really only the first bucket that I brought up tonight is what staff is asking us to speak to so I'm not saying whether that's good or bad but my interpretation if you disagree with that interpretation tell me when I call on you um there's a few hands up Adam and then Aaron and Rachel yeah just in response to Mark um there is information out there HRC and Hab did a very extensive research project I was part of the Joint Committee that did it they sent it to all of us I don't know if you read it or

[276:01] not but the information is there well may I cqu on that yeah HRC did a very interesting analysis of um safe parking they did almost no analysis in the report that that I looked at of um sanction campgrounds and they made a request for tiny homes also with very little data so I mean they it's not that they did not fulfill their function I thought they did it very well on um the parking facilities but I don't think they really addressed I mean any of the major questions with respect to sanction campgrounds and and you know I'm not going to Bor us today but I I have at least 12 to 15 of them that I put down on a piece of paper after reading it and saying you know we don't have answers to these things and I'd be happy to have them take a look at it and do as good a job on that as they did on um parking

[277:02] you know safe parking um so it's not the case that they gave us a report that fully addressed all of those core issues I really thought they only addressed one they made a very interesting case um on on the the safe barking but I don't think they did that on sanction campgrounds or tiny homes I appreciate that Mark um I'll finish by just saying essentially we're being asked to allocate new additional funding towards enforcement and I can tell tell you without having the additional supportive structure conversation I'm uninclined to vote towards additional enforcement that's why I think we're having this issue about holistic versus non-holistic several of the council members are asking us to vote on these specific issues that are all enforcement based I totally understand that I'm just saying if you want my vote on some of those we

[278:01] have to look at the other side I always want your vote Adam I know I know you do Mark uh that's that's all I'm trying to get at here I understand so Adam I have a question for you um when it comes to the Ambassador and police program I think that fits in your description I'm not so sure about the city internal Cleanup Crew do you view that as enforcement as well it's technically an enforcement mechanism of our camping ban so in a way yes I understand that it's a little bit different and there is room for discussion there for sure but it's still an enforcement mechanism okay so got it anything else that you would like to say okay um Aaron and then Rachel yeah I mean similarly I was G to make a similar point to Adam which is that the reason why I'm I'm bringing this up in this context is that my understanding is that we're proposing spending significant additional dollars City funds you know to deal with the

[279:02] issues around encampments and so if we are going to be devoting significant additional Financial Resources to these issues then I think it um we need to look at what um potential Service Alternatives we might consider with those uh some portion of those funds you if um you when we're that's the way this is all apples right that that if it were just a like a no dollar additional dollar expenditure but moving a function from an external one to an internal one that's a pretty small question you could deal with on on your own but I believe it also comes with a larger budget um so that's similar to what Adam is saying is like if we're going to spend a a substantial amount of additional money on these issues I I think we need to consider um what we might do with those dollars um and and look at other Alternatives um as other parts of it as well and and that's why yeah so I think it belongs as part of this discussion

[280:01] because of the dollars okay so Aon I'm going to try and summarize help me correct me when I get it wrong um so staff asked us a few questions about City cleanup and potential ambassadors or police and that takes more money and so because it takes more money you believe that Service Alternatives need to be in the conversation about what to do with the money FS correct okay thank you uh Rachel and then Mary uh yep um following up on Aaron and Adam I would just reiterate like I feel a little bit like there's been a bait and switch if we don't include that discussion because when we had part one and everybody agreed to vote on part one knowing that we were going to get to part two which included Aaron had lifted up like the Denver sanction encampment discussion and it seemed like people

[281:00] said yes we will have this part two discussion so I feel confused about that if we now cut it out that just it doesn't feel um like good good um just doesn't feel like follow through to me um and I appreciate Kurt reminding us about the annual updates and you know I've only been on Council a year so I can't speak to what an ordinary year looks like but this issue I feel like really has us chasing our taals as a council the whole year and the volume of emails that we get about the amount of time that we spend you know talking one-on-one to each other about it is is I think the topmost issue so I just I don't feel like even with the additional supplements to the annual um discussion that we are like getting our heads around this sufficiently so that's why I'm talking about something holistic and I don't know exactly what the method is to get there I don't think we have to discuss or or decide that tonight I just

[282:01] wanted to lift it up for something to be discussed as part of that discussion like how do we you know maybe go at this a little bit differently so that we can I think most of us agree on the progress we want to make we want to um help individuals and and ensure that spaces are safe so how do we get there because we're not we're not there definitely not this year and I think Co has complicated things and so I just think we need again more robust and creative opportunities for discussion that's what I mean by holistic thanks Mary and then mby Mary so I just wanted to bring up the the the safety issue of um the propane tanks which is not is that's a different bucket is that true I have it as a there was the second bucket I put out there yeah okay that's all I had you're the only one to come back to it Mary so I just

[283:01] want to make sure that um it's something you're interested in having yeah it's a significant safety issue since it was causing fires um I just think that is a real significant um issue no matter what we do okay thank you nearby um I'll just jump in here uh I I know that last time it was getting late and we agreed to put off the meeting to have a more robust conversation on what what was trying to be discussed so I mean I support addressing the four topics that c uh the four questions that staff needs addressed and I think we should do that first and foremost I do understand the robust conversation but I think like Mary is stating and this is

[284:01] what I brought up during our Retreat is that have a more robust conversation yeah I mean maybe during a council chat or something like that but this is where a third parties need to jump in and I thought that was wonderful that one of the speakers talked about on open comment today um where they raised funds so that people had hotel rooms to stay in I mean that's outstanding uh we have many many services within the county and obviously there can always be more but it's going to take Community to jump in and third parties to jump in and I think that going the route of them working together and coming and finding out what the roadblocks are from the city is going to be the best and most effective option because right now we have the funds that we have and I think we have a phenomenal program that our staff and County have put together so I think I mean I don't know the stats in the nation but it sure seems like we're leading in a lot of ways and doing a fantastic job so um I'd like to get

[285:02] staff those answers and and open it up and and really ask that third party community members that you know share a deep passion in this jump in and and start helping us because again unfortunately we I mean it'd be great to have unlimited funds but but we don't so or or Resources with staff and buildings Etc so that's kind of where I'm sitting on this issue thank you Mir by so I am going to try and frame it up again um based on our conversation so far so one thing I'm hearing looks more like a process to me that's like iterative conversations going forward some of these I think we could do in a meeting um it would be a long one but I think that the items that I have that we would like to talk about and I'll say holistically in the sense that Aron said it and what what that

[286:00] means is if we're going to spend more money or maybe Aon and Adam both if we're going to put more money towards it let's talk about all the things we could put more money towards and some of those are internal City Cleanup Crew Ambassador SL police and then Service Alternatives so those are things that involve money right and then we have some things which don't involve money which include severe weather shelter days right that's policy there may be a little bit of money but it's it's not a whole lot of money and then what Mary brought up which is ordinances around safety so um I also had brought up some items around that neither one of those are necessarily money you know because enforcement is handled the way we handle enforcement on everything else so do people generally hear those two categories as two different categories one is

[287:00] money okay so I'm getting nods from Aaron and Mark so that's some broad ends of the spectrum so maybe we can say what's money and talk about money holistically and then we can as time permits talk about things like severe weather shelter days and ordinances so is that a way that we can frame this up so because it sounds to me like we could do those in two separate meetings one of which is holistic in the sense that IT addresses where we're spending and another of which is policy around this I know they're interl but that's a way of separating them so I've got um Mary is that new and then Bob and Aaron is that old Mary okay so then I've got Bob and Aaron Bob yeah I think it's interesting how you frame that up Sam and I don't disagree with that I guess I I really more have a question for staff probably for Kurt um so if we put all the money

[288:00] things into one meeting the question I have for curred is um and if those money things including included spending money on a city at least partially funded sanction kground which sounds like what Rachel n proposing um the um the question I would have for Kurt is is when could you be ready for that because I I know that we're ready for all the other money dis discussions you guys were ready in January we just didn't answer your question so I know I know those questions are fully framed and ready to go whenever we can find a date on the calendar the question Kurt is if we tacked on to that a question of city financial support for sanction Campground would that slow that up or are you kind of ready to go on that one too so I think we would need um from today we would probably need at least six weeks um to put this memo together um I think we could certainly do it about within eight weeks um trying to

[289:01] bring in as many of these things the the things I have mentioned um and just to make sure we're aligned um because some things seem like they came on and off the list um an ambassador program um internal cleanup team um ordinances around tents and gas tanks um I've taken meth recovery off because that wasn't talked about and I thought we had agreement there um unless there's a cost there we might bring that up as well uh um and then uh uh sanction camps um I had that on there as well Regional collaboration um the 60 days for severe weather shelter I would think that that's not as time sensitive that might be better in a an overall homeless conversation and possibly even

[290:00] the possibly even the regional collaboration not sure but um that's kind of the list that I have I think it would take us six to eight weeks to put that together in a way that was um comprehensive so so can can I just cqu with a question Kurt y so say say we cut this down to the dollars and non-dollars so I'm just going to try a cut through this which is the more resources City cleanup crew and Ambassador SL more police I believe that's already in your memo right so we probably don't need anything on that although I do think there's additional information that we would want to bring you um when we brought this to you at the last meeting um it was the question was do you want us to spend more time looking into this in a more comprehensive way with real dollars and a real proposal we didn't really bring you a real proposal um My Hope in a following meeting is

[291:02] that we would bring you something that um had a little more meat on it and um something that we'd hopefully be able to move forward with in the more defined way so kurk walk me through it I know I'm breaking this down so I apologize but City Cleanup Crew internal City Cleanup Crew do you feel like that's fleshed out enough or do you need more on that uh we're relatively close on that okay so we we pretty much have what we need on that and it wouldn't be a lot extra work um police and ambassadors so what I mean by that is I think we were told more police and what has added into that is the idea you said Rangers I believe some more police or Rangers and what's come in is and Bob will have the name of it but it it is more of an ambassador program that would be collaborative with maybe um downtown

[292:00] Boulder how is that like a few weeks where to work to to frame up more about the the Staffing yeah I think we would need more time for that because um and I noticed Maris has got on but I think all those things come to they uh they they play together so um if you had an ambassador bassador program you may need less PD or you know you know if if you're using Park Rangers um you you need to look at all those programs together to see how they fit together it's not one program or another but I'll see that Maris has gone on there Chief good morning good morning good evening Council it'll be morning soon um yeah I I think uh Kurt's did on there I think that we would look at that uh uh as an integrated system that it wouldn't just be one or it would be an integrated system and maybe wouldn't rely so much on the police side if we

[293:02] looked at that ambassador program um so we would integrate that and it would take a take a little bit of time to to put that together but not a lot of time okay so so I think for the purposes of what we might do um we may not need detail proposal yet because what we're trying to do is sort out what we would spend our money on should we decide to go that way so it seems like if we could have a rough outline I think we might have that um on the Ambassador SL police it would be enough for us to be sorting on so I guess what I'm saying is if we're looking you know at a list of things we can spend our money on and we have kind of a rough idea it may even be philosophical right how we make this decision so um I've got cleanup crew doesn't need a lot Ambassador police to really Implement would take a lot of design but we might be able in a handful

[294:00] of weeks to have a picture of what that would look like where we to choose to spend our money there and then what may be more complicated and I'll I'll turn to others after this is Service Alternatives and I really only heard that talked about in a couple ways safe parking and sanctioned encampments I keep bringing up safe parking because we heard that from HRC it's been mentioned twice tonight so Kurt you indicated it would take a long time to write something up around sanction encampments say parking we've heard from Adam we have what we need for safe parking we have examples down the road for sanctioned encampments but I think that's also a question that we might be able to come to some philosophical with this Council conclusion on without a deep dive kind of study of each of those so how comfortable are you with us having a conversation with what you can

[295:01] get us in if we schedule in four weeks and you wanted to make sure we had just some rough budgetary numbers would it take a lot of work on your part yeah I I think we can put all these things together for you um again I I think if we scheduled it in in you know we're going to work with whatever time you give us um if you give us six weeks we're going to give you six weeks of work if if you give us four it's going to be a little more abbreviated um the um I do know there's been meetings in the past where Council has said just give us some information but don't spend any time on it um it usually hasn't gone well for us um so we we would want to give you something that um we felt comfortable with as well okay great thank you so I see some hands up I don't know if they're current I'm going to call and we'll see Aaron Mary and juny

[296:01] Aaron yeah thank for all that Sam I just actually had I thought you were going in a good direction with the like the the money related things and the the not money related things but I was a little unclear like I thought Mary's point about like the propane tanks as a safety issue being you know more time sensitive were you suggesting that we deal with that as one of the non-monetary issues that we could get to sooner rather than later I I wasn't putting it sooner than later I was suggesting that as far as sorting goes however we want to get to them that ordinances for safety were a non-monetary piece well I I I think that separation makes sense and I would support you know that the safety related non-monetary bits coming you know sooner rather than later um so we could move make progress on this okay all right well that's interesting um thank you for that eron Mary and then juny so thanks Ain I appreciate that and

[297:02] I I think what you just brought up right now is that there's another factor to consider here and there is um a time element too um to these things as well as as the cost and then the no cost um so so priority I guess um but one of the one of the things in terms of Service Alternatives as I recall in January what was brought up was um that meth recovery that meth addiction is a huge huge huge huge problem and I and I was a little concerned right now when Kurt said well that hasn't been brought up so we're g to throw it out but it seems to me that it's something that would actually help people um it probably goes under the bucket of um cost money um but I also think that in order to have a real impact it's one of those things that would need to be addressed in a on a bigger scale um or

[298:03] maybe whatever we do could be scaled up um but it seems to me that that the whole meth recovery since we're doing seeing so much meth addiction that is something that could actually have a great impact on people's lives so um I don't want to let that go um so I'm bringing it up because I don't want to let it fall by the wayside in favor of something that perhaps doesn't really have an impact um in terms of you know addiction recovery thank you Mary juny and then Rachel and then I will ask for a motion to extend the meeting after that juny yeah I was just about to say that as well because it's already five hours into the meeting um and we've mentioned

[299:01] four and a half hours during or Retreat um and also we're just discussing whether we should bring back the four topics and I wonder whether it would be useful to just have a meeting where we discuss really discuss those topics but um I wanted to say on this list that I heard tonight I fully support the internal CD cleanup crew the meth recovery I think that's important and I kind of see it almost like maybe that's not the right word almost like it's it's a balance I wanted to say carrot but it's a balance basically if we're gonna and I like the idea of the ambassadors so having the ambassadors and I think from what I'm hearing as well from Bob is that the ambassadors will take away from

[300:00] cost because it's going to be an engagement with other organizations in town and they will be able to pay for it or at least help cover some of the costs so it might not be as expensive and this idea of having the ambassadors we might not need as many police officers so I like that but I really think having ambassadors Without Really dealing with the real issue which is the meth issue that we're dealing with in the city it's almost like we're not doing anything anything it's like we're playing was the word Hopscotch so I think the meth recovery might be a good way of balancing things out thank you juny uh Rachel and then why don't you close whatever you have to say with a motion for extending the meeting all right I hope I remember um I just wanted to follow up on on um Mary and Erin's point on the propane tanks and I don't

[301:01] disagree like that's alarming we don't want explosions there um and so I understand it's a safety concern but I think honestly almost everything on this topic is a safety concern like addiction is a health and safety concern certainly the rash of overdoses in Boulder um is alarming somebody froze to death last week um you know just all around this topic I would not like for us to forget that there are just health and safety issues all over the place and I'm it would be Leary of us prioritizing one safety issue over others and it's it's just which is why I feel like we need a that holistic discussion of this is just such a a huge T multi- tentacled um issue so just wanted to add that in thanks you want to make a motion for us dang it yep I sure do I would like to extend this meeting I so move

[302:00] second any opposed great seeing none it's extended Mark you're up yeah I also want to be supportive of of Mary's comments on sort of alternative methods for treating meth uh addiction this this started out as a public safety conversation and I can't think of anything that would be more impactful in a positive way uh on Public Safety than dealing with the rampant meth addiction that we that that we're experiencing um that also has a direct correlation to the uh crime that we're experiencing so I think anything we can do to get a handle on that is um is highly valued and and perhaps the single most important thing we can do so I uh I appreciate Mary raising it and I want to be uh supportive of that as well thanks

[303:01] Kurt uh thank you uh both Mary and Mark so the intent was um not to take it off the list of things that we're working on we we have a subcommittee that's working on um bringing um um one or more meth um treatment programs to Boulder County um so there's a group that's working on that now um and we could make that part of the memo and the discussion to try to add more information um my intent was to focus on things that we need decisions from you more you know sooner and we could bring if we need as we know more about this and we need additional funds um we can bring that to you at a later date the I think the challenges to bring all of these things um fairly um um defined um will will take some real effort but but but we we will not lose

[304:00] our momentum or um effort and and working on that Thank you Kirk so um Rachel I'm sorry to do this but I'm going to push back a little bit these things are all important and I agree that they are and so we could have one big meeting we could try and hash it all out in five hours but I'm still gonna say we need an agenda so even if we do it I'm G to keep driving towards ways to sort discussion topics and I want to tag off what Kurt said because Mary I totally agree with you and Mark about meth I think it is a top of the list Challenge and I think what I heard from Kurt last time and I think I'm hearing it again is there's more work that needs to be done and there's work going on right now on that so Kurt is that right we've got progress being made at the county level on this um that's correct okay so I was feeling like for the purposes of where I think we need to sit down and have a

[305:01] conversation with this group to make some decisions that staff has asked us for meth isn't on the list we had to look at it we understand it's moving and because we're not there yet we don't have a request from staff on what that could look like and what the costs are and so on so I was sorting that into a bucket of in process so then if we look at I mean I am going to come down firmly on the side of um mark Mar and Bob that we need to answer staff's questions right and so if in order to do that fairly and have a a discussion that incorporates more than just what what staff brought up we want to add Service Alternatives I think that's one maybe two hour discussion to have which is City Cleanup Crew mostly done Ambassador police maybe take a little more work to

[306:00] get us information just so we can have a scoping discussion and then Service Alternatives I think if we bucketed those together the objection I heard to just addressing cleanup and Ambassador police is that's all enforcement and what I heard from Aaron and I think Adam was if you added in Service Alternatives to that that we could have a discussion that involved it now not everybody's going to maybe be happy with where we land but we will have discussed the right items together in order to take a decision so one proposal I would say is if we're going to do it we have a bucket which looks at answering staff's question City Cleanup Crew yes or no Ambassador police program yes or no and Service Alternatives yes or no we have a limited amount of money so we're going to make a decision about those and some people will be happy some people won't but we will have considered everything in that bucket then we have this other

[307:01] bucket which is policy so what I see under policy is the ordinances on safety and the only other thing I have here is severe weather shelter days that looks like policy because Regional collaboration I don't know that we need to have a meeting on Regional collaboration I think it's super important I think staff does a lot of it but I don't know what we're going to say to staff as Council about Regional collaboration unless we're asking them to do more so I'll put out that I see a money bucket that is holistic in the sense it incorporates other things than just enforcement and um ordinances and policy and then Regional collaboration as potentially mixed in there so I'm just trying to move us towards like some kind of resolution where if we have the agenda I think we can schedule a meeting and so there's that I got Mary Aaron and

[308:01] juny Mary hand eron Sam I I think you the direction you've gone there works for me I think it sounds like a great Direction and to jun's point we're spending a lot of time talking about what to talk about and I I think we could just go with say with what you've proposed and then schedule a meeting where we actually talk about what to do um so I think that sounds I'm ready to cut to the chase when we all are um juny Sam I just wanted to say that I didn't hear you mention the meth recovery and I wanted to know if that was still on the table so I I I tried to ask Kurt and let's see if if we got that right that is in process already I believe and it's County work and I don't think staff needs anything from us for that to proceed at the moment is that right Kurt that's correct okay so juny I think

[309:01] it's incredibly important and I don't know that we have an action item on that in the short term but I could be wrong so I if if others would like that added to the money bucket we can do that um Bob Mark yes my biggest concern was that the sanction Campground discussion um uh slow down the others back to Mary's apples and oranges apples waiting on oranges or something like that that um so you know Kurt's Kurt's giving me Comfort that if we give him sixish weeks or so um uh he can be ready to talk about um the all the money things um I'm fine with that and then we'll just make as you say a series of binary discusss or decisions or or allocate a bucket of money um I'd like to uh if it's not pretty much sure I'd like to throw out a date now that we seem to be I see Mark's hands up somebody's going to disagree

[310:00] with me um Co around kind of a money discussion and then maybe a later policy discussion you want me to do that now or do you want to hear from Mark first um I'd rather hear your date we can just throw in the mix sure well I'm gonna I'm gonna throw out April 6 that's actually seven weeks from now so we're giving Kurt an extra week uh I know in talking to um to chip with downtown and some staff members that they're going to be fully ready on the abor proposal within the next couple of weeks um so it sounds like probably the long poll in the tent is really just giving uh occurred enough time to um to to pull together the sanction Campground uh uh materials and and money um as I look at April 6 I believe and and and Chris and staff can disagree with me and CAC can ultimately negotiate with this I think there's several things on April 6th that can be moved so for example our covid briefing which is very important and we should continue to do that a monthly basis I think subject to Jeff Zach's availability we could move that a week

[311:01] to April 13th which is a study session there's no decisions ever made in the co discussion so I I think it could just as easily be presented in a study session if Jeff is available the following week so that that clears up an hour um and then I think there's a couple of things there's the legislative agenda which I know we have to get to at some point in time and 3303 Broadway which I know has been put off a few times maybe it can be put off again and the gr Rocky Mountain Greenway project which I think is just an update I don't think that's a decision so that could be moved presumably by a week or two or to a study session so I'm guessing that um with maybe the exception of either the legislative agenda or 3303 Broadway I'm guessing that CAC and staff could probably clear off 80 80% of this meeting by moving off Rocky Mountain and the co briefing by by a week or so and that is that is seven weeks from now thank you Bob Mark and then Rachel

[312:00] oh sorry Mark mirot and Rachel Mark um Sam I'm I'm pretty supportive of the the manner in which we've um segregated the money issues and the policy issues my only concern is that I think the money uh meeting may go for8 hours and the with what's left in the policy bucket uh we may be done in in you know 75 minutes I'm not sure it's going to be a a good allocation of of time but thematically it makes sense then I guess we'll have to buckle up for an eight hour meeting it's going to be a long one well so I'll wait to hear others I'm not sure I agree but I'll come back to that in a moment um nearby and Rachel um depending on what if we if this is a vote or discussion it's if it's a discussion then this is fine um but I have a business trip for the first

[313:00] two weeks in April so I will not be attending either council meeting in April I was just going to let everyone know as it got closer but seeing as this is coming up I figure I'd at least let you know now because if it does come down to a vote and there's a tie um I will not be there to break it or on one side of it depending whatever case is so thank you um Rachel I am um very uh comfortable letting C CAC run with this timing discussion so um whatever CAC works out I think is fine for me um but I I do want to flag I think that if we um Extended severe weather shelter to 60 days a couple days ago then I think uh March 10th some people will have used their 60 days and when the temperatures drop March 11th and Beyond we're going to be in the exact same emergency and need to make a decision about whether to do an emergency um opening so I'm I'm

[314:01] less comfortable moving that discussion back um I I well just say that I think I think that that can of worms is going to reopen sooner than later okay thank you all right so that's the end um it may be that that can of worms reopens I don't know that we can schedule around that one way or the other um so but what I am hearing around that is propane tank ordinance and severe weather shelter days whatever you think about either one of those um folks seem to think we can do something sooner and shorter than the money items and and I'm seeing nodding heads on that um then I would turn to staff if that assertion is out there does Staff feel like you've got what you need I mean severe weather shelter days you probably already have everything that we need to know about

[315:00] that and we can go there what about the ordinances what about um the idea of regulating propane tanks in some way that we continue to try and make them safe it may be as simple as no propane takes on city property I don't know exactly without a permit so I would just turn to staff and say when would Kurt and or Tom your groups be ready to talk about potential safety ordinances related to public spaces so I would let uh Tom weigh in on this I think one of the the the positive aspects about this list is there's in some um there's different staff that work on different parts of this memo um so no one's doing all of it um the tanks would be one of those um but it would include um the parks department as well as as well as the PD um so I'll let uh

[316:00] Tom or Maris reply in addition to that Tom do you want to start and then go to Maris sure I I I think we could put we could certainly do something in the six week time frame that you're talking about if that's if that's what you're looking at we could get something ready for you with um understanding implications and drafting some language okay very good and Maris thanks mayor okay um so it sounds to me and I'm just trying to put out there what I think I've heard that staff would need sixish weeks to get ordinances ready for us to look at at least for propane tanks um and anything attendant to it so that and it sounds like it's roughly that time frame if we're talking April 6th to do um the money discussion so we've got cleanup done some work on Ambassador police um and then Service Alternatives so it

[317:02] seems possible that we could do this in one big meeting or we could break it into two and if we break it into two I think it's more manageable but it breaking into two like this gets us away from the holistic holistic discussion so Kurt uh thank you Sam and to respond to to to Mark Wallock I think the length of the meeting to a certain degree is based on how SU successful staff is in presenting the information I think if we do a good job in presenting these different scenarios um hopefully it can be done in a reasonable amount of time I think we have narrowed it down um to something that we can probably bite off um but but I'll I'll just make one last comment um as people think about the time that it takes to put these things together um all the staff that will be working on these options um actually

[318:02] have other full-time jobs and so um this is sort of on top of what we do um um obviously um we bring things to you all the time but um this is um we have ongoing programs that we're trying to keep going and um we're not totally focused um on each of these things either okay so Kirk I just want to recap it is a short list it's City internal cleanup ambassador police uh Ranger program and Service Alternatives right so that's the money bucket and what I would turn to Aaron and ask and Adam is when we think of Service Alternatives what is it that you'd like staff to bring back to have that conversation do we want to have it just be the the campground concept Aon and Adam do you want Campground and safe parking because I I what is your

[319:01] thinking about how to have that discussion framed up the way you're hoping to see it so as I mentioned before I mean the one concept I'm working on bringing forward is the the sanctioned uh Campground the safe outdoor space concept would you need anything from staff or what would you need from staff to um te us up for that so I I don't need a lot I mean if if they had time to take a a quick look at how the program is functioning in Denver and whether they think it could apply to Boulder great if they don't have the time for that I'm fine just you know talking over the concept you know independently of you know the staff bringing it Forward Adam I'd like to hear from you and Rachel about this because if we go with what Aaron said and I think I understood we'd be looking at a discussion which looked at City cleanup Ambassador police patrol and sanction Campground for a module of this

[320:02] discussion is that does that work for you for a module yeah that's that's fine for me for a module um while I do want to take on the safe parking conversation at some point I don't want to overextend uh and make it even longer and um I think there's a lot of good information there that council's already been provided if that information isn't compelling enough for you to want to bring that up as a council then I don't think it's going to do make any difference in this context okay Rachel any thoughts uh I agree is Adam okay Bob sorry I had to get mute off um I was I want to go back so so thanks that for that Erin and and Rachel and Adam that was helpful um uh I want to come back to I was a little concerned about mirabi not being available I I threw April 6 out there not realizing that she wouldn't be available so I was gonna um

[321:01] maybe make an alternative proposal let me first ask a question though of mirbi mirbi would you be available on April 13th no sorry I'm still out of town so you're out on this the 6th the 13th and the 20th yeah I won't be back I think until I I don't think I'm back until the 17th oh so you are no no no hold on hold on I'm sorry trying to look at this I I don't have the dates written here okay no sorry um I think I'm back I think I'm back on the 12th or 13th it's sorry our dates are kind of flexible because everything's really fluid right now with covid so I I think I'm back somewhere around the 12 13th okay well um I'll guess you know if if I think it's this these are very important discussions and I think we should try to have everybody there and so if if mirabai's out on the six but can be back

[322:01] by the 13th I'll I'll kind of flip what I suggested before and that we um move off um the things that um that are on the 13th both of which I think are not time sensitive either as a matter of fact one of them is already is already marked as tentative uh and the other one I know is is an ongoing project that that probably can be briefed on at any point in time so maybe we can just clear off the entire meeting of the 13th make it a regular meeting if we're going to take votes which we can always do um if if if mirbi will be back by then um I was looking at February that's why I was so screwed up on my dates I'm sorry it's late my brain's not working no I'm am gone the six the sixth and the 13th I'm completely gone I will not be back until the 14th or 15th that's why my dates I was okay maybe maybe you can work with CAC and give I start CAC next week so yeah get give them specific dates and then CAC can schedule things so anytime to the 20th and on I'm I'm back so but yeah I start cic on whatever Monday is

[323:02] so I can work with them then okay and thanks for that mirb I think we can just let CAC run with this from here that's right so Aon I was going to go there thank you for that if we're happy with the buckets and we need to see nods that we're happy with this um CAC can probably wrestle with it and if we do one day for this meeting I think the two modules I'll just call them that for fun would be the dollars and the policy and the dollars would include City cleanup Ambassador sanction Campground the policy is severe weather shelter days and an ordinance around safety and I think that's digestible but I don't know I guess I'll ask Council if we took those modules to CAC would you be happy with whatever CAC works out as long as we are breaking it down into those

[324:00] buckets okay all right well um to be continued I'm sure um CAC will take this in those ways I will turn to Kurt and Maris and Chris any does this all sound digestible to you like we can work with this y uh from my perspective this is very doable okay Maris yeah I'm seeing nods Chris you okay with this yep that sounds good okay sorry that took a long time um Rachel I'm not sure it gets to your bigger point about a longer term discussion but I think that may be a process thing separately so okay um I think we're teed up on all those tough matters items anything else we need to touch on Alicia I think we're at the end is this was that the last item for us that was the last item for you okay very good anything else

[325:01] we need to touch on tonight seeing no hands and nothing else I'm going to say meeting's adjourned at 11:25 thank you all thank you br everybody good night .4 million subscribers on YouTube and he targets undeniably a pro-russian audience um he also created his own political party in 2019