August 28, 2019 — City Council Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[8:18] COUNCILMEMBER AFRICA AS IN CARLISLE HERE JONES HERSELF.NAGEL WEAVER CASE HERE.YOUNG PRESENT WE HAVE A QUORUM.WE HAD SOO MUCH FUN LAST NIGHT WE DECIDED TO DO IT AGAIN TONIGHT. AND WILL NOTE THAT NEARBY COULDN'T BE HERE WHEN WE DON'T WE SCHEDULED A SPECIAL MEETING BUT SHE SEND US HER THOUGHTS WHICH WE'LL TRADE YOU BRING INTO THE DISCUSSION. WE HAVE TWO HEARING ITEMS BUT WE HAD HEARING ON BOTH SO WE'RE NOT TAKING MORE COMMENTS. ARE JUST THE LIBERATING IN THOSE TWO ITEMS HAVE TO DO WITH.

[9:00] TOBACCO AND SHAPING IT AS ONE SWEEP OF ISSUES IN THE OTHER IS PAVILION RENOVATION AND NOW FIND ALSO MARRIED TO A PLAN SO THAT WE ARE JUMPING RIGHT INTO TOBACCO.THANK YOU FOR DOING THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT YOUR SKIN OR FOR MORE FUN IF IT IS HERE TO HELP AS WILL TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE WHEN EXCISE TAXES SALES TAX.ALSO HE'S A MORMON FROM THE FORM OF HEALTH IS ALSO HERE. PRETTY CARPENTERS HERE BUT SHE'S SITTING IN THE BACK SHE CAN TALK ABOUT TAX ISSUES SHE WILL BE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ON THE SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES.I WANT TO ADDRESS HER AS WELL.SO JUMPING RIGHT INTO IT.THESE ARE TOPICS FOR COUNCIL CONSIDERATION TONIGHT YOU HAVE THREE ORDINANCES BEFORE YOU ORDINANCES EIGHT THREE FOUR ONE EIGHT THREE FOUR TWO WHICH ARE TAX ORDINANCES PLACE ABOUT THE MEASURE ON THE BALLOT.CCS MEET ADDRESS THOSE FIRST COULD YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO GET THROUGH THOSE GET THEM ON THE BALLOT IN TIME FOR THE SEPTEMBER DEADLINE. SIGN ORDINANCE EIGHTY THREE FORTY WHICH IS THE REGULATORY ORDINANCE SO IT GO RIGHT TO THE TAX.I SEE THREE QUESTIONS THAT YOU NEED TO ADDRESS TONIGHT.OF COURSE YOU CAN ADD WHATEVER YOU WANT WHICH TYPE OF TAX EXCISE OR SALES TAX.WHAT TO TAX

[10:08] CIGARETTES OTHER. PRODUCTS ELECTRONIC SMOKING DEVICES AND HOW MUCH TO TAX THE CURRENT PROPOSAL IN THE ORDINANCE IS THREE DOLLARS PACK OF CIGARETTES AND FORTY PERCENT OF THE SALES PRICE OF OTHER TOBACCO PRODUCTS ELECTRONIC SMOKING DEVICE.SO GOING TO THE TYPE OF TAX. CARE IS GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SALES TAX AN EXCISE TAX A LITTLE BIT OF OUR EXPERIENCE WITH THE SUGAR SWEETENED BEVERAGE TAX WHICH IS AN EXCISE TAX.THANK YOU CARSON ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF FINANCE TO OUR TEAM DID PUT TOGETHER JUST THE STABLE OF PROS AND CONS FOR SALES TAX AN EXCISE TAX THE MEASURE WILL GET BETTER.YES OKAY UM SO FIRST LOOKING AT THE SALES TAX. CLEARLY ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT ALL CONSUMERS WOULD PAY THE FULL TAX IT WOULD BE CHARGED AT THE POINT OF SALE. AND EVERY RETAILER WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR CHARGING THAT SALES TAX AT THE POINT OF SALE.ANOTHER PRO FOR US FROM

[11:01] AN ADMINISTRATIVE PERSPECTIVE IS THAT LARGELY LOCAL RETAILERS CURRENTLY ARE LICENSED. BY THE CITY OR MAYBE SOME ONLINE RETAILERS THAT WOULD GET LICENSE BUT. LARGELY WE ARE TO HAVE RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM AND SO IMPLEMENTATION AND DISCOVERY. AND COMPLIANCE WOULD BE EASIER BECAUSE WE HAVE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ICON THAT IS OFTEN PERCEIVED AND AND TRUE IN MANY INSTANCES THAT. THEY WANTED THE IMPACT OF THE TAX UNTIL THEY GET TO THE CASH REGISTER SO THEY. AS THEY ARE CONSIDERING PRODUCTS TO BUY FOR ONLY SEEING THE RETAIL PRICE AND THEN IT'S NOT UNTIL THEY GET TO THE REGISTER THAT THEY SEE THE IMPACT OF THE TAX. FOR THE PRODUCT YOU'RE CONSIDERING TONIGHT IT MAY BE SO THAT IT BECOMES. VERY AWARE AFTER ONE OR TWO PURCHASES WHAT THE TAXES AND WHAT THE TOTAL PRICE OF THE PRODUCT IS SO THAT MAYBE LAST OF AN ISSUE WITH THIS TYPE OF TAX.WE ALSO THOUGHT THAT THAT I COULD BE MITIGATED BY POSSIBLY SOME SIGNAGE REQUIREMENTS IN IMPLEMENTING ORDINANCE THAT POSSIBLY AT THE DISPLAY OF THE PRODUCT.THERE MIGHT BE

[12:02] SOME SIGN THAT SAYS. YOU KNOW PRICE OF THE PRODUCT TEN DOLLAR FORTY PERCENT TAX FOR DOLLARS TAX TOTAL. TOTAL PRODUCT PRICE OF THE FOURTEEN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT SOME TYPE OF REQUIREMENT TO MAKE IT CLEAR AS THEY ARE CONSIDERING PURCHASING WHAT THE IMPACT OF THE TAX WOULD BE. AND THEN TO THE EXCISE TAX OF A PRO.IF THE TAX IS PASSED ALONG. IT WOULD BE REFLECTED IN THE SALES PRICE OF JUST THE DISPLAY SALES PRICE WOULD INCLUDE THE IMPACT OF THE TAX THAT ISN'T BECAUSE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS PASSED ALONG BUT IF IT IS.THAT WOULD BE A PRO.THE OTHER PROS THE CITY DOES HAVE EXPERIENCE AND LESSONS LEARNED FROM THE SUGAR SWEETENED BEVERAGE IMPLEMENTATION SO WHILE WE HAVE A LONG ESTABLISHED RELATIONSHIPS WITH RETAILERS WE DO. HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH REACHING OUT TO DISTRIBUTORS FORMING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS HAVING. ROLLOUT PHONE CALLS WITH THEM AND MAKING SURE THAT THE IMPLEMENTATION COSTS MOST SO WE DO HAVE SOME LESSON LEARNED FROM. A CON

[13:04] FOR THE EXCISE TAX. IS ON THE FULL WEIGHT OF THE TAX MAY NOT BE BORNE BY ALL CONSUMERS ON THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT TO PASS ALONG AN UPSTREAM TAX TO CONSUMERS. SAW AN EXCISE TAX TYPICALLY A SPOT OF ITS BEING UPSTREAM TAX A TAX ON THE DISTRIBUTOR OR WHOLESALER. AND THEN THAT TAXES CHARGED TO THE RETAILER. THAN IT IS THE RETAILER'S CHOICE WHAT TO DO ABOUT THAT COST THAT THEY JUST HAD THEY CAN PASS IT ALONG IN THE PRICE OF THAT ACTUAL PRODUCT OR THEY CAN. ABSORB IT IS AN OVERHEAD COSTS THEY CAN SMOOTH IT ACROSS MORE PRODUCTS AND WE HAVE FOUND THAT TO BE TRUE WITH THE SUGAR SWEETENED BEVERAGE TAX THE DIFFERENT RETAILERS ARE HANDLING IT DIFFERENTLY.IT'S NOT ALWAYS NECESSARILY SLOW THAT THE TAX IS PASSED THROUGH IN THE PRICE OF THE PRODUCT. SO THAT IS SORT OF THIS. SECOND POINT IS THAT THERE'S DISPARATE METHODS SO NOT ONLY

[14:00] MIGHT NOT ALL CONSUMERS BEAR THE BURDEN IT DID CAUSE SORT OF FRUSTRATION. BECAUSE SOME RETAILERS AT LEAST IN THE INSTANCE OF SHARES TO ENCOURAGE. PASSING ALONG IN DIFFERENT PRODUCTS THAT WERE NOT SUBJECT TO THE TANK SO IT CAN CAUSE FRUSTRATION. FOR SOME CAN CUSTOMERS AND THEN LASTLY DISTRIBUTORS ARE NOT OF THESE PRODUCTS ARE NOT CURRENTLY LICENSED BY THE CITY WE DID. LOOK AT THE STATE STATE DOES HAVE. A CIGARETTE AND TOBACCO DISTRIBUTORS LICENSED AND AT THE STATE THERE ARE THIRTY THREE CIGARETTE AND PONDER NADY OTHER TOBACCO DISTRIBUTORS WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY BEEPING DISTRIBUTORS WHO WOULD BE. BUT SO THERE WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT OUTRAGE ANOTHER NUMBER OF DISTRIBUTORS COULD BE UPWARD OF TWO TO THREE HUNDRED THAT WE WOULD. NEED TO GET LICENSED AND MADE AWARE OF TAX AND MANY OF THEM I THINK FROM LOOKING AT THOSE LISTS ARE OUT OF STATE BUSINESSES. HE COULD UTILISE SO THE CIGARETTE TAX IS THAT IMPLEMENTED AT THE STATE LEVEL SO THEY DO HAVE THESE LICENSED DISTRIBUTORS.NEXT

[15:06] THE STAFF AND THEY HAVE A STAMPING PROGRAM SO THERE HAS TO BE A STATE THE STAMP AFFIXED TO A PACK OF CIGARETTES AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER SORT OF ISSUE. AND SOME CITIES WE DID DISCOVER THAT HAVE. IMPLEMENTED CIGARETTE LOCAL CIGARETTE TAXES HAVE IMPLEMENTED A STAMPING PROGRAM LARGELY THE BIG CITIES CHICAGO NEW YORK THINGS LIKE THAT BUT. IT IS A WAY TO HELP WITH COMPLIANCE SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE A STAMPING PROGRAM.THERE ARE SOME COMPLIANCE ISSUES TO BE THE FOCUS OF THE RETICENCE OF THE DAY MAYBE SOME PLANT ISSUES ON SALES TAX AT THE TILL AT THE REGISTER RIGHT BECAUSE. I REMEMBER THIS HAS TO WORK AS A TEENAGER IN A PHARMACY IN NEW YORK AND THAT WAS. STILL SENDS EXTRA SALES TAX WAS APPLIED A MEMBER YET THE KEY AUDIENCE SEPARATELY AND DIFFERENTLY FROM ALL THE OTHER PRODUCTS UNITS.IT SEEMS TO ME THAT MAYBE

[16:00] ANOTHER CALM THE SALES TAX MIGHT BE THE FACT THAT THERE HAS TO BE TRAINING MAYBE SWITCH TO COMPUTER PROGRAMMING. AT THE REGISTER TO BE ABLE TO ADD THAT ATTACKS ARE JUST AUTOMATIC. YES I THINK THAT THAT IS TRUE I THINK THAT MOST RETAILERS HAVE A PRETTY MODERN POS SYSTEM NEEDS SAY IS. YES THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROGRAM AT SPECIFIC TAX FOR CERTAIN PRODUCTS AT THAT THE CHRISTIANS IN THE CITIES AND DONE THIS.HOLD ON SALES TAX ON WHAT SPRING HAS PASSED IT THIS WEEK BUT ON THE BALLOT THE BALLS THEMSELVES BACK SO. IT DOESN'T YOU CAN ALWAYS DO AN EXCISE TAX BUT WE WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE TO DO IT THAT WAY. WHICH WOULD BE THE FIRST TIME WE WERE THE FIRST SOMETHING SOME WAY BUT YOU COULD. AND WOULD YOU WANT THIS YET SO WE DID. TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE BUT. WE DO HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH THE SUGAR SWEETENED BEVERAGE DISTRIBUTION TAX IT IS AN UPSTREAM TAX ON THE DISTRIBUTION OF SUGAR SWEETENED BEVERAGES INTO THE CITY OF ALL THERE.IT'S A SPECIFIC EXCISE TAX MEANING IT'S A SPECIFIC AMOUNT PER UNIT AS OPPOSED TO A PERCENTAGE. ON THE EXPERIENCE

[17:02] THAT WE HAVE HAD IS WE DO KNOW THAT SOME LARGE RETAILERS HAVE CHOSEN TO ABSORB THE DISTRIBUTION TAX AND THEY DID NOT PASS IT THROUGH IN THEIR PRODUCT PRICES.WE ALSO KNOW THAT SOME RETAILERS HAVE INCREASED THE PRICE OF RELATED AND UNRELATED PRODUCTS SERVICE FOR A WHILE THEY ARE PUTTING IT ON CANDY OR WATER AND AND WE DO KNOW IT.I LIKE FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS.THEY JUST INCREASE THE PRICE OF ALL SODA PRODUCTS ARE SOLD IN ESSENCE PEOPLE ARE BUYING DIET SODAS ARE. PAYING HIGHER PRICES WHILE AND WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THAT FROM DIFFERENT CONSUMERS AND THEN REGIONALLY WE ARE AWARE OF OF OF ONE OR TWO AND THERE'S PROBABLY OTHERS.IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO LOOK FAR OF REGIONAL RETAILERS THAT HAVE ATTEMPTED TO. HAVE ALL OF THE SUGARS IN BEVERAGES PRODUCTS DELIVERED TO A STORE OUTSIDE THE CITY AND THEN THEY PERSONALLY CHUCKED THEM INTO THE CITY. TO TRY TO AVOID THE TAX ON SO THERE ARE COMPLIANCE ISSUES RELATED TO THIS TYPE OF DISTRIBUTION TAX

[18:00] WHEN IT'S JUST A LOCAL TAX.WE DID SAY YOU KNOW AND THAT'S WHAT'S REFLECTED ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE THAT. A LESSON LEARNED MIGHT BE MORE PRESCRIPTIVE ON SIGNAGE ON BUT AGAIN IT'S DIFFICULT WITH ATTRITION TAX CUTS I DON'T THINK YOU CAN PRESCRIBE THAT THEY FLOAT THROUGH ON TO THE PRODUCT.SOME GIVE A SENSE OF HOW MANY DISTRIBUTORS OF THESE PRODUCTS THERE. EARLIER SO I'M SORRY ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE WE DO KNOW FROM LOOKING AT THE STATE OF THE BEARS' THIRTY THREE CIGARETTE AND LICENSED CIGARETTE DISTRIBUTORS IN THE STATE AND HUNTER NADY OF THE TOBACCO WE DO NOT KNOW HOW MANY SHAPING PRODUCT DISTRIBUTORS THERE ARE WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT RESEARCH AT AN INK YOU WANT TO WATCH ATTACKS.SHE WANTED TO STOP FOR A CHOCOLATE STASH TO YOU IS YOU KNOW YOU HAD A TIP EARLIER ABOUT OTHER

[19:00] CITIES THAT ARE PASSED WHICH SHOW HOW MUCH WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE ON.I HAVE THE TYPE OF TAXING THE SALES I MEAN THEIR EGO THINK YOU KNOW THAT'S THAT.THIS IS THE SOAP AND AND I ALSO WONDERED WHETHER OR NOT I CAN'T REMEMBER WHETHER WE'VE HEARD FROM AND MAYBE HE COULD HELP WITH THIS. UM THERE'S A PREFERABLE TAX WHETHER IT EXCISED OR RETAIL.I KNEW IN RAISING THE TAX PART OF THAT IS TO BE A DETERRENT TO CORRECT.SO JUST DEAL WITH THE FEDERAL VERSUS SALES FORCE THE WEEKEND. SO I GUESS HERE'S A QUESTION IT SEEMS BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID IT WOULD BE IF WE DID SALES TAX FOR SIGNAGE. RIGHT AND THAT THAT WOULD COVER THE BASES. RATHER THAN SETTING UP A WHOLE NETWORK OF DISTRIBUTORS AND I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY THE STEPS FOR THE SPRINT AND TOOK A LOT OF COMMENTS BOTH WAYS RIGHT.OK

[20:05] LET'S TALK ABOUT GOOD. FOR ME I GUESS THE CONCEPT THAT THEY CAN SPREAD THE COST AT THE END USER OR. THE DISTRIBUTORS CAN SPREAD THE COST OF MULTIPLE DIFFERENT PRODUCTS IF THEY DO MORE THAN JUST. TOBACCO PRODUCTS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A RED FLAG TO ME BECAUSE I WOULD PREFER TO EXPAND ITS TAX BECAUSE IT SHOWS UP IN PRICE OF THE PRODUCT BUT. IF THERE'S WAYS TO AVOID HAVING TO DO THAT THEN I'M NOT QUITE SO. ENAMORED OF IT BUT I LIKE THE IDEA OF SIGNAGE SO THAT YOU KNOW WRITE ABOUT OR AT A PLACE THAT BROWSING THROUGH THEIR PRODUCTS AS TOBACCO PRODUCTS.HERE'S THE TAX RATE MUSICAL COUNTERPOINT TO THE REAL ESTATE AROUND THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT SOMEBODY SELLS A PRODUCT MARGIN RIGHT ANOTHER REASON TO MAKE UP NUMBERS.THIS EFFECT IS COSTLY BUT NO FIVE DOLLARS. DOLLARS WHICH IS FIVE DOLLARS REMEMBER SOPHIE IF WE HAD A THREE DOLLAR TAX WHETHER EYES OR UM. OR SALES TAX THAT

[21:04] IT'S ONLY SOLD A PACK OF CIGARETTES LESS WORSE THAN THAT AMERICANS. COULD SPREAD THAT THE SPREAD OR MARGIN ACROSS OTHER PRODUCTS. IN THE TAX SO THE PROBLEM YOU COULD IGNORE THE SIGN THAT SAYS THERE'S A THREE DOLLAR TAX MONIES GRAHAM IS TALKING ABOUT AS WERE SALES RATE THAT OUR. WEEK IS TO JUST GO JUST MAKE YOU MAKE HIM A COUNTERPOINT TO SAM'S WHICH IS I'M NOT SURE THAT YOU COULD PREVENT PEOPLE FROM SPREADING THE TAX. BE THAT WAY BECAUSE YOU COULD SIMPLY CHARGE LESS FOR RIGOROUS OR FREE PRODUCTS AND LOWER YOUR PRICE. LOW COST FEDERAL CROSS OF THE PRODUCTS AND HAVE HAD THE TEXT TO GET BACK UP TO HER COMPETITORS. ARE IN WEAKNESS IT IS THAT IT IS TRUE BUT THE AMOUNT OF TAXES STAY THE SAME RIGHTS TO SEE THE SAME TO TURN THEM OUT REGARDLESS OF HOW THEY. STRUCTURED THE TOTAL PRICE IF THE PRICE OF THE CIGARETTES WAS EIGHT DOLLARS DOLLAR SALES TAX OR TAX.I'M JUST

[22:03] SAYING THAT I'M NOT SURE THAT IT MATTERS IN CELLS AND PROTECTS FROM A TRANCE LIKE THE THINGS PEOPLE CAN SPREAD OUT OVER. YOU COULD ARGUE DIFFERENT WAYS FOR YOU WHAT YOU WOULD SEE THAT THE ADDED AMOUNT FROM THE TAX WAS THREE DOLLARS. YOU THE PARENT AND AS IS APPARENT FROM THE SALES TAX BECAUSE EZRA CAFE SECOND THAT SOT THE SUGAR TEXAS' SALES TAX RIGHT NOW IN WHICH IS WHY IT WAS PARTICULARLY COMPLICATED RIGHT.YOU CAN FOLKS SUM UP CAN YOU SUM UP THE EDGES AS YOU LOVE TO TALK TO THE TEXAS FARM. COMMUNITY SHUTTLE UNTIL US FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW IF WE'RE GOING TO USE SALES WITH SIGNAGE VERSUS XIII HER TIME SO HE THURMAN DIRECTOR OF HEALTH DIVISIONS WITH PORTER COUNTY HEALTH.I THINK SAM MADE THE POINT THAT IS MOST.

[23:00] IMPORTANT WHEN WE DO APPLY TAXES AND USE THE PRICE INCREASE AS A DETERRENCE OR YOU WANT THE SALES PRICE YOU WANT THAT TO BE SEEN BY THE CUSTOMER AT THE POINT OF SALE.I THINK THE SUGGESTION OF REQUIRING THE SIGNAGE MIGHT BE A WAY TO TO ACHIEVE THE SAME GOAL. I CAN REALLY SPEAK TO THE DIFFERENCES OF OPINION IN TERMS OF HOW FOLKS MIGHT MOVE. THE PROJECT AROUND OR SPREAD THAT THE TAX OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BUT IN GENERAL. ON HEALTH HAS BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF AN EXCISE TAX PRIMARILY SO THAT YOU COULD SEE THAT AT THAT POINT OF SALE BUT AGAIN. WITH THE SALES TAX AND SOME OF THE LESSONS LEARNED FROM THE CITY.IF YOU WOULD REQUIRE THAT IN THE SIGNAGE SO THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD WHAT THAT PRICE WISE THAT MIGHT BE A WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THE SAME. OK THANK YOU TO MOVE TO ANOTHER OF TRISH OTHER COMMITTEES BACK TO ME FOR MONK RUM. EXCISE TAX IS A

[24:02] CITIZENRY SALES TAX RATE ON THESE PRODUCTS TO STATE AND LOCAL SALES TAXES DURING. THE TRADE TODAY THERE'S A SALES TAX ON EVERYTHING EXCEPT CIGARETTE OR SALES TAX AND THEN THE STATE HAS ACTED. IN THE BABYSITTERS THEIRS TO AS A SALES TAX ON BABY PRODUCTS TODAY TRYING. TO MAKE IT AN EXCISE TAX AND THE ATTACKS AND ATTACKS IN OTHER WORDS BE FORTY PERCENT TAX ON THE UNDERLYING PRODUCT. ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL AND YOU DON'T PAY SALES TAX ON TOP OF THAT.SO THE DPP SALES TAX ON THE UNDERLYING PRODUCT AND YOU PAY SALES TAX ON THE FORTY PERCENT EXCISE TAX IS THAT RIGHT.OK EFFECTIVELY BE ALMOST A FIFTY PERCENT TAX.LIBBY WAS PASSING THROUGH A HOST OF TAXES IT WAS PASTOR IS PASTOR WANTED THE QUESTION. SO LITTLE WE HEAR FROM FOLKS AND GET A STRAW POLL IN HERE AND AS WITH MOST OF THESE OTHER ISSUES AND COME UP WITH THE ORDINANCE.SORRY EMOTION

[25:00] BUT IT'S ON THE FACE OF IT IS SILLY TO ME LIKE A SALES TAX WITH SIGNAGE IS THE SIMPLEST WAY TO GO AND WOULD MAYBE ACCOMPLISH THAT GOAL.HEY THIS IS COSTING ACTUALLY BECAUSE. I COULD BE SO NOW I'M NOT THAT MANY FOLKS AND I AGREE WITH THE FOLKS TRENDING THAT WAY IN FROM THE ONE I DISAGREE YOU CAN CONVINCE ME OR JUST NATURE. WELL I GUESS SIGN WOULD HAVE TO BE STRATEGICALLY PLACE. BASED AND I'M NOT SURE THAT WE CAN MANDATE THAT AND PEOPLE GENERALLY WALK AND YOU KNOW THEY'RE IN HER WALK IN GRAB WHAT THEY WANT. SEE THE CASH REGISTER AND SO I BELIEVE THAT PART OF CIGARETTES KEPT BEHIND THE COUNTER IN MOST PLACES YET TO ASK FOR.THAT'S RIGHTSO IN OTHER WORDS PEOPLE

[26:00] HERE YOU COULD. REGISTER BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE TO ASK A CLERK FOR A PACK OF CIGARETTES AND GENERALLY THINK YOU GET TO GO PICK OUT YOUR CIGARETTES. ALL TOBACCO PRODUCTS BECAUSE OF EIGHTEEN YEAR OLD GET. IN DO WE THINK THAT WE COULD HANDLE THAT SIGNAGE ISSUE IN A WAY THAT I HELPED TO ENSURE THAT THE SHOPPER WOULD SEE THAT I THINK WE CAN.WE GOT SOME EXPERIENCE WITH MARIJUANA. DOES SUCH REQUIREMENTS FOR ONE. OF MY THOUGHT WAS THAT IF THIS PASSES IN THE IMPLEMENTING ORDINANCE WE WOULD PROPOSE A SIGN AS I THINK SAM SAID BY THE REGISTER IN CERTAIN SIZE TYPE. AND THE COUNCIL WOULD TELL US WHAT THE SUN WOULD SAY THAT IT MIGHT BUY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE. THAT THE PRICE DOES NOT INCLUDE AN IT SALES TAX THE CITY OF BOULDER OF FORTY PERCENT OR SIX. CENTS PER DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR ON THE PRICE THAT YOU

[27:00] THAT YOU SEE ON THIS SOMETHING LIKE THAT MAKE IT CLEAR THAT YOU'RE ADDING SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT THE PRICE ADVERTISED PRICE. AND WE DECIDE THAT TONIGHT OR EVEN NEXT WEEK BECAUSE HE ALWAYS USED THE TABOR BELLA MEASURE FORWARD TO IMPLEMENT THE TAX NEXT YEAR IF IT PASSES.THIS WOULD BE AS I SAID THIS TAX IS NOT SELF BACK TO EATING CATS GOING TO PASS AN ORDINANCE TO IMPOSE IT.AND IN THAT ORDINANCE WE WOULD HAVE SUCH LANGUAGE. IN THAT FIELD ENOUGH FOR THAT ASPECT OF THIS QUESTION WE GO TO THE AMOUNT I THINK THE TEXT GIVEN GIVEN THAT. ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT BOB SAID ABOUT BEING TAXED TWICE AS WELL.IF THERE IS AN EXCISE TAX IN ITS TEXT AGAIN AT THE REGISTER AGAIN. THAT WOULD RAISE IT BUT I'M NOT THE IDEA OF THE DISTRIBUTOR THAN NOT PUTTING IN THE ACTUAL TAXES HAS BEEN DONE WITH THIS SUGARY DRINK TAX IS TROUBLES ME. SO IT

[28:00] SEEMS THAT THE SALES TAX IS PROBABLY THE ONE THAT WOULD BE MOST EFFICIENT IN TERMS OF DEALING WITH THIS.OK SO IT IS TENTATIVELY HOPEFUL THAT THEIR SINS AND I WAS GOING NEXT WHAT TO TAX AMOUNT OF WHAT I CARRY ON.OK SO THAT THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE DRAFTED WAS CONCLUDED OTHER TO CONCLUDE ELECTRONIC SMOKING DEVICES AND OTHER TOBACCO PRODUCTS AND SO WE HAD ONE SEPARATE TAX ON CIGARETTES. AND WANT CIGARETTES AND OTHER TOBACCO TAX AND THEN WE HAD ANOTHER ONE WAS JUST OVER TOBACCO. THE COUNCIL ASKED ME TO TRY TO RE DRAFTED JUST ONE THAT WAS CIGARETTES ALONE AND ONE THAT WAS ELECTRONIC SMOKING DEVICES HOME. AND I SHOULD BE CLEAR THAT IN OUR DEFINITION OF ELECTRONIC SMOKING DEVICES WE INCLUDE RE FULFILLS ALL ASSOCIATED PRODUCTS WERE NOT JUST TYPING. TAXING THE FEEDING DEVICE BUT ANYTHING POOR PEOPLE BUY BUY TO PUT IN THE DEVICE THEN AT THE LAST MEETING COUNCIL PASSED. BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD THAT ONE OF THE THINGS YOU

[29:00] WANT TO AVOID IS DIRECTING PEOPLE. TO A CHEAPER PRODUCT THAT'S NOT BEING TAXED AND THAT THERE ARE LITTLE CIGARS THAT ARE SOLD SINGLY THAT OUR PROP POPULAR COULD BE POPULAR AMONG YOUTH.SO COUNCIL ASKED ME TO RE DRAFTED TRADED A GREAT JOB. WHICH I DID NOT REALLY HAVE A LOT OF TIME TODAY TO INCLUDE OTHER TOBACCO PRODUCTS CIGARETTES AND ELECTRONIC SMOKING DEVICES YOU HAVE SOME OPTIONS THERE.SO THESE CIGARETTES ARE CIGARETTES OTHER TOBACCO PRODUCTS ARE. OUR SMALL CIGARS SNUFF CHEWING TOBACCO. AND ELECTRONIC SMOKING DEVICES ARE. THE DEVICE AND THE REFILLS I REFERRED IN THE ORDINANCE TO A STATE DEFINITION OF OTHER TOBACCO CORN OR DEFINITION OF TOBACCO PRODUCTS SO IT'S CLEAR. WHICH ONES YOU'RE TAXING THE QUESTION FOR YOU IS. DO YOU WANT TO TAX THOSE THREE PRODUCTS THAT WE CAN GET NEXT TO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH THEM AND I'VE GOT A SLIGHT EQUIVALENT SEES YOU AND YOU. CAN YOU REMIND US THAT MAYBE JUST SET THIS BUT I NEED TO WRITE DOWN HOW MUCH THE OTHERS THINGS ARE ALREADY TAXED.I DON'T HAVE THAT I

[30:02] BELIEVE THAT THE LOCALS THE STATE CIGARETTE TAX ABOUT EIGHTY SIX CENTS.THERE'S NO TAX ON E CIGARETTES ARE RAPING I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE OTHER TOBACCO PRODUCTS TAX ISN'T A FORTY PERCENT TO THREE DIFFERENT WINDOWS OR JODI KNOWS. ON CIGARETTES AT EIGHTY FOUR CENTS IN AND FRO TO PIECE THE OTHER TOBACCO PRODUCTS IS UP FORTY PERCENT TO FORTY PERCENT OF SALES OF SALE PRICE.YEAH AND THEN AGAIN ZERO ONE MANUFACTURER PRICE AND THEN ZERO ON MANUFACTURING COMPANY C THE FIRST IT'S A GOOD TEACHER EIGHTY SIX CENTS BEFORE HACK EIGHTY FOUR CENT A PACK. OF ONE OF THE LOWEST IN THE STATE IN THE COUNTRY. SO YOU CAN SEE THESE OR THESE OR EQUIVALENCY IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THE E CIGARETTES AND VAPOR PRODUCTS BECAUSE CIGARETTES. YOU WOULD AND IF YOU WANT TO POSIT A DOLLAR

[31:00] PER PACK. TAX ON CIGARETTES YOU NEED TO GO TO TWENTY ONE PERCENT AND OTHER TOBACCO PRODUCTS AND SIXTY ONE PERCENT ON THE CITRUS AND BAKING PRODUCTS. CAN YOU DO IT THE OTHER WAY IF WE WANTED IN FORTY PLUS. HOURS JUST TO MENTION WHAT I BELIEVE ASP AND ASP AND STARTED THREE DOLLARS A PACK ESCALATING BY TEN CENTS A YEAR TO CAP OUT FOUR DOLLARS A PACK. AND IT INCLUDED FORTY PERCENT ADDITIONAL ON OTHER TOBACCO PRODUCTS AND FORTY PERCENT ON BAKING IS THAT RIGHT.I THINK THEY INCLUDE DATING AND CROQUET.YET ONE WAS ALREADY TAXED AND ONE WASN'T.AND SO I SOUGHT THE REASON THAT THE RATIONALE FOR THAT WAS THE THOUGHT IS THE STATE'S GOING TO COME AND DO SOMETHING AND IT. WAS JUST PROPOSING THAT WE DO AT OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE. BUT WILL LEAVE TO PICK WHICH COMMUNITY AND WELL. I SUGGESTED ASPEN THREE DOLLARS. BACK PLUS TEN CENTS

[32:02] A YEAR FOR TEN YEARS. AND FORTY PERCENT FOR OTHER TOBACCO PRODUCTS AND FORTY PERCENT FOR FAITH AND JUST BE CLEAR FORTY PERCENT FOR OTB ON TOP OF THE FORTY PERCENT. OF THE QUESTION MOM WHAT ARE OUR SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES TO KNOW ANY OF THEM HAVEN'T EVEN PASSED ANYTHING OR NOT TYLER. WOODSON IN THE STATE GRADE KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE TEED UP IN THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION HERE WHERE THERE WAS A STATE BILL THAT WAS. THAT WAS FORTY PERCENT ON. SIX OF NOT REMEMBERING THAT THE STATE BILL THAT WAS THERE AND HE PROBABLY KNOW THAT FAILED IN THE LEGISLATION TO COME BACK. YOU KNOW THE NUMBERS ARE MUCH REMEMBER MOST OF MY HEAD YES SO IT WAS ON.I THINK INTRODUCED REALLY LATE IN THE SESSION AND SO IT WAS GOING TO INCLUDE INCREASES ON ALL TOBACCO PRODUCTS FOR CIGARETTES SPECIFICALLY IT WAS. ONE SEVENTY FIVE NM FOR

[33:07] OT PEAS. SIXTY TWO PERCENT AND THEN FOR TAPING OR E CIGARETTE USE THE SAME RADIUS OT PEACE AND HOW MUCH IS A PACKAGE TOO GOOD TO HIM NOW FIVE SIXTY. BY SIXTY FIVE IS THE GOING RATE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE FOR THIS OVER SAYS TO LOOK JUST YET SO THE STATE WAS GOING OVER FORTY PERCENT THEY WENT STRAIGHT TO SIXTY TWO PERCENT.THEY WERE THINKING OF IT IN THE DRAFT BILL SIXTY TWO CORRECT AS FAR AS MORE CAN YOU REMIND ME WHY WE WHY FORTY PERCENT IS WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED.GENERALLY YOU KNOW THE MAN'S BODY.I CANNOT SPEAK ON BEHALF OF WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE WHAT I CAN OFFER IS THAT. HEALTH PERSPECTIVE HERE IS. WHAT WE WOULD WANT

[34:00] TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT THE PRODUCTS ARE TAXED EQUALLY SO IF UM. IF WE WERE LOOKING AT THREE DOLLARS A PACK AND HAS BEEN AS AN EXAMPLE. THAT WE WOULD WANT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE CORRESPONDING AMOUNT WOULD BE FOR THE TEE PEES. AND THEN AGAIN THE CORRESPONDING AMOUNT FOR PAPER SO THE TAPING OR E CIGARETTE PRODUCTS HOME TO BE THAT EQUAL AMOUNT WOULD BE ABOUT EIGHTY THREE EIGHTY FOUR PERCENT. AND YOU WOULD INCREASE OT PEAS I CAN'T REMEMBER BUT I CAN LOOK IN MY NOTE TO LET YOU KNOW.SO AGAIN BRINGING THEM ALL UP TO AN EQUAL PRICE TO BEST DEMONSTRATE THE FACT THAT ACTUALLY THERE'S HARMONY TO THE PRODUCTS AND NOT. MISS COMMUNICATING OR UNINTENTIONALLY COMMUNICATING THAT ONE IS SAFER THAN THE OTHER SIDE KNOWS THE COMMUNITY HAS DONE THAT YET.IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYBODY'S DIFFERENT MATTER THAT I'M AWARE OF CERTAIN FEASTS FEASTS.THEY ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION IN TERMS OF LABELING

[35:00] RIGHT NOW WE HAVE CIGARETTES TO HAVE THAT LABEL ON THEM THAT'S A SIGNATURE HAZARDOUS TO HEALTH AND DON'T SMOKE COULD BE PREGNANT.WE CAN CAUSE DEATH.WHAT KIND OF LABELING IT IS ON VPN PRODUCTS.I DO NOT I WOULD DEFER TO ANOTHER EXPERT IN THE AUDIENCE THAT IF POSSIBLE DO YOU KNOW THAT WHEN EVER SOMETHING HIS NICOTINE IN IT IS THEIR REQUIRED LABELING AND NOTIFICATION.I SO YOU'RE GETTING NODS FROM THE TOBACCO FOLKS IN THE BACK OF A VERY SAYING THAT THERE IS REQUIRE LABELING.BUT EVEN IN DATING UH THIS IS JUST AS THE AMOUNT OF IT JUST SAYS IT HAS NICOTINE DOESN'T HAVE MORNINGS ACTIVE WHICH IS AN ADDICTIVE HUH.THEY'RE SAYING

[36:04] IT AS FDA WARNING AND THEY GIVE UP JUST REPEATING WHAT HER ANSWER WAS BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THIS GROUP TO THE WEEKEND AWAY WITH ADVERTISEMENTS PREEMPTIVE LEVEL.WHEW THERE SOME WOMEN SHEESH THE NIGHT AND SORRY WE THANK YOU TO THE AUDIENCE AND APPRECIATE CLEAR THE HEAD OF THE SMOKE. YOU'RE TALKING I'M TALKING RIGHT NOW ARE FOCUSED ON HOW MUCH WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT A TAX ON HOW MUCH ONE THING WAS DISCUSSED WAS THE IDEA OF PARITY. COMPLICATED BY THE FACT NOBODY SEEMS TO HAVE DONE THAT QUITE YET. I'M AMAZED THIS POINT JUST TO SEPARATE THE COMPONENTS FROM CIGARETTE TAXES THAT WE MIGHT ALL BE LINED ON. THE WATER IS OUT OF WHICH WERE WHAT MADE YOU SHOULD TACKLE THAT FIRST BECAUSE THEN WE OUGHT TO

[37:00] WORRY ABOUT THE MASSIVE THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE THESE ARE THE TWO.LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO TAX ALL OR JUST ONE.JUST WHEN YOU HAVE THE FOUR MAKE YOUR CASE TO CASE THE UM I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF TAXING PAPER PRODUCTS. TO CONCERNS ABOUT THE CIGARETTE TAX ONE IS I DON'T THINK WE'VE REALLY ADEQUATELY NOTIFY THE COMMUNITY THAT WERE. IMPOSED IN CIGARETTE TAXES COME OUT RATHER QUICKLY AND CAME UP QUICKLY IN DESERVEDLY TO ADDRESS A TEAM OF APRIL. ATTACK LED THROUGH THE TAX RECEIPTS TWENTY ONE THROUGH MANY FLAVORS THROUGH A LICENSING REGIME. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE ADEQUATELY NOTIFIED THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY THAT THEY MIGHT BE A CIGARETTE TAXES CONDITION OF ONE PROCESS ISSUE ISSUE NUMBER TWO IS. UNLIKE FISSION PRODUCTS WITH A GOOD TAX COULD BE MEANINGFUL BECAUSE FOR GENERAL AND JUMP IN THE CAR AND DRIVER WAS FILLING A VOID THAT ACTS. AS THE BEST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO SMOKES AGGRESSOR PROBABLY ADULTS THREE DOLLARS A PACK OF THIRTY DOLLARS A CARTON.I

[38:09] THINK THEY CAN BE PRETTY MOTIVATED TO LEAVE BOULDER AND GO BUY CIGARETTES IN ONE OF THE ALL CITIES AND PSYCHO CIGARETTE TAX IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE. IF WE DO ON THE SALE SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO NOT CONSIDER A TAX ON. FOR THE CYCLE TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA TO INCREASE THE STATE TWO PACKS A VERY SIGNIFICANT PASSAGE OF SIGNIFICANT STATEWIDE. CYBER ATTACKS IF THE SEA FOR SOME REASON NEXT SPRING FEELS TOO I'D BE HAPPY TO REVISIT THAT BUT. I JUST I'M WORRIED THAT WE HAVEN'T GIVEN NOTICE AND I'M WORRIED THAT THE TAX EFFECT WE CAN BE AVOIDED AND WE'RE NOT REALLY ACHIEVE MUCH BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF CIGARETTES AND FATHERS' ADULTS.AARON AND SAM WILL AGREE WITH WITH BOB ON THIS ONE THE UM. WE'VE WE'VE DONE VERY QUICKLY AND JUSTIFIABLY SO RIGHTLY VIRGIN SIXTEEN HAS ONE LEAD AT JULY SIXTEEN THOUSAND LI TI THE SEPSIS BEEN A MONTH AND TWELVE DAYS.

[39:02] AND I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT TIME FRAME IN ORDER TO COMBAT THE EPIDEMIC BUT THE VAST VAST MAJORITY OF ENGAGEMENT THAT WE'VE HAD IS FROM PEOPLE WHO WERE. SUPPORTING OR OPPOSING KEEPING REGULATIONS AND WE'VE HEARD. NEXT TO NOTHING ON THE CIGARETTES I SAID DON'T THINK THAT'S BEEN THE FOCUS OF THIS EFFORT I'D LIKE TO KEEP THIS FOCUS ON MAKING. BUT WITH THE CIGARETTES ABSOLUTELY IS A PHASE TWO I HAVE NO INTEREST AND CERTAINLY WOULD ENCOURAGE I'M VERY INTERESTED IN. IMPOSING ADDITIONAL BARRIERS ANSWER IT'S JUST IT IS A PHASE TO. DECEIVE THE STATE DOES ANYTHING IN THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION IF THEY DO NOT THEN WE WOULD HAVE A STRONG INTENTION OF TACKLING THIS IN THE SUMMER NEXT SUMMER.JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE THE TIME IT NEEDS. TO LOOK AT THE OTHER WAY HAIR APPRECIATE THAT THESE OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE ARGUED A MYSTERY PUT PRESSURE ON THE STATE. WOULD BE HAPPY TO HEAR IT IN THE OPPOSITE WAY WHICH IS WE PUT THE TAX ON CIGARETTES AND OTHER TOBACCO PRODUCTS AND YET THE STATE DOES MOVE FORWARD WE ROLL BACK THE TAX.

[40:02] SO THIS IS THE WAY IT'S MORE EFFECTIVE I THINK IT MAKES MORE OF A STATEMENT THAT WE. INTEND TO HAVE THIS TAX IN PLACE AND THAT THE STATEMENT OR WE WILL. BOB I DON'T MIND IF THE DRIVE TO L CITIES THIS IS NOT ABOUT RAISING MONEY FROM TAXES IT'S ABOUT. HEALTH AND PROTECTING HUMAN HEALTH AND I THINK THE BOOKS DESERVE AS MUCH PROTECTION AS CHILDREN. DESERVE OUR PROTECTION AND SO I WOULD LEAD WITH A FULL SUITE OF TAXES. BECAUSE OF RENO AS SOME PEOPLE HAVE REMINDERS INCLUDING COUNTY THAT WE CREATE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TAX RATES ON THE DIFFERENT. TYPES OF TOBACCO LEADING PEOPLE TO CHOOSE SAY CIGARETTES OVER BAKING PRODUCTS BECAUSE THEY'RE CHEAPER. PER NICOTINE HIT SO I WOULD PREFER TO PUT THE TAX IN PLACE FIRST AND THEN ROLL IT BACK IF THE STATE DOES IN FACT BRING A SUBSTANTIAL TAX IN PLACE. SAID CINDY MARY AND LISA I I AGREE WITH SAM.I THINK THAT THE TOBACCO INDUSTRY BIG TOBACCO REALLY DOESN'T NEED ANY BREAKS FROM THE CITY OF BOULDER THAT THIS IS TOBACCO.

[41:08] WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT HAS A LONG HISTORY OF ADDICTION. AND ISSUE HERE IS IF OTHER THINGS JUST TO SAM SAID COST MORE. THAN TOBACCO MAY BE THE FALLBACK AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT AS WELL THAT SHOULD BE A CLOSE LOOP IN TERMS OF THE ADDICTIVE QUALITIES AND PARTICULARLY SINCE YOUNG PEOPLE YOUTH HAS BEEN TARGETED. THE THING WHEN IT'S THE NICOTINE IS THE TOBACCO AND NICOTINE IN THOSE PRODUCTS AND I THINK WE OUGHT TO DO WHAT WE CAN NOW TO TRY AND DEAL WITH THIS. EMERGENCY THAT A NATIONAL EMERGENCY.SO I'M A BEARING ON THIS ONE I THINK THAT WE'RE WE'RE A CITY IS PRETTY BIG PROPONENTS OF PROCESS AND WE'RE KIND OF UM. REGARDLESS OF WHAT ITEM ISN'T WHAT THE PRODUCT AS WERE SNEAKING SOMETHING IN ON PEOPLE AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR.IT MAY BE RIGHT TO TAX BUT I

[42:00] DON'T THINK IT'S GOOD PROCESS.OK I AGREE WITH MARY ERIN AND BOB FOR ME. SOMETHING ON COUNCIL PRICES HAS BEEN REALLY IMPORTANT AND I DON'T THINK WE GO TO TOBACCO PEOPLE WHO SELL TOBACCO AND SAY OKAY GOTCHA ON THIS ONE I LIKE THE FEAST TOO.I AM HOPING YOU GUYS WILL FOLLOW UP ON PHASE TWO I HATE BIG TOBACCO AS MUCH AS ANYBODY AND KILLED MY MOTHER KILLED MY SISTER. IS TO ROB MY FAMILY AND LOVED ONES IN TROUBLE ALOT OF PEOPLE BUT I DON'T THINK WE JUST WE HAVEN'T HARDLY TALKED ABOUT CIGARETTES.

[43:00] YOU CAN SMELL IT AS SOON AS SOMEBODY PICKS IT UP SO I'M LIKE A TWO PHASE APPROACH THE FAMINE AWAY AND JUST TO COMPLICATE THINGS BY BRUCE AND CINDY. BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM AND WE DON'T WANT TO INADVERTENTLY JUST TRANSFER THE PROBLEM.THE IDEA IS KEEP GETTING THE NICOTINE AND SO I THINK THIS IS PART OF THAT SOLUTION THAT I SEE IT ON AND SO I'D BE. IN ORDER TO NOT INADVERTENTLY TRANSFERRED THEIR NICOTINE ADDICTION TO CIGARETTES. THIS IS PART OF A COMPLETE SOLUTION SO I'D BE OKAY WITH THE BOARD NOW YOU HAVE NEARBY SPOTS.YEAH UM THEY'RE RIGHT AND I TALKED TODAY AND SHE. AGREES WITH THEM WITH LISA AND MARY AND KAREN AND I THAT WE SHOULD NOT BEFORE WITH SECRETS EIGHT X TEN SHEETS FOR APPROVING TAX FROM THOSE ATTACKS.OK SO THAT CARRIES THE DAY STILL MANAGED TO CORRECTLY WILL JUST DO IT. KEEPING TAX RIGHT NOW THEN CAN WE ARTICULATE THE PHASE TWO THOUGH.HOW WOULD THE SHOP I

[44:05] LIKE. HIM MAYBE GAYS OR ENLISTED IN THE COMPANY KNOW BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE HER THAT HER LEGISLATIVE AGENDA WHICH I THINK WILL YOU TYPICALLY PAST DECEMBER. A VERY CLEAR THAT THE CITY VIGOROUSLY ENCOURAGES THE STATE TO IMPOSE A SECRET X MY FACT I WOULD EVEN SUGGEST YOU THROW NUMBER AND THE MINIMUM OF THREE HOURS BACK.UM AND THAT WE ARE ALL IN OUR LOBBYIST THAT THIS IS A HIGH PRIORITY FOR THE COMMUNITY ALWAYS HAVE TEARS OF TIREDNESS BE NEAR THE TOP OF OUR PRIORITY LIST. AND THAT WE ALL INDIVIDUALLY WE KEPT EACH OTHER BUT ULTIMATELY I THINK. WE CAN COMMIT TO SHOW THAT WE WILL WORK THROUGH OUR RESPECTIVE STATE REPRESENTATIVES TO ENCOURAGE ATTACKS ON THE BIG PROBLEM LAST YEAR WAS THE TAXES IMPOSED KINDLY TO SEASON THE MIC AND JAM TOAST. YES THEY SHOULD BE PROPOSED IN THAT THEY PROPOSE THIS AND INCLUDED ON THE SPONSORS CAN MOVE ON THAT RIGHT AWAY SO THAT. WE'RE DOWN THERE TESTIFYING IN ENCOURAGING THE STATE TO DO THIS. AND I

[45:02] THINK THE OTHER THING WE SHOULD COMMIT TO EACH OTHER AND YOU CAN BIND FUTURE COUNCILS BUT THAT IF. AN EVENT THAT THE STATE LEGISLATURE DOES NOT PASS A VIGOROUS ATTACKS BY THE TIME A GERMAN SAYING. THAT THIS BE ON THE COUNCIL'S WORK PLAN FOR TWENTY TWENTY TWO COME BACK AND REVISIT A CITY TO CITY TAX. CUTS WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST CAN ASK A QUESTION ABOUT HIS JAZZ CIGARETTES WHAT ABOUT OTHER TOBACCO PRODUCTS TOBACCO TOBACCO PRODUCTS. WOULD BE HAPPY THAT THE TIMES COULD DO ME IF I'M SOME ON COUNCIL AGAIN NEXT YEAR.COMMIT TO THIS THINGS TO SAM.WELL I WOULD JUST POINT OUT THAT ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THINGS ARE DIFFICULT THAT THE LEGISLATURE'S THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE CONCENTRATE LOBBYIST TURNED A FOUR MONTH SEASON. AND I WILL SUPPORT ALL OF THIS IS THE SECOND CHOICE. I WILL SAY THAT THE UNCERTAINTY ASSOCIATED WITH THE JAMMED AGENDA AND DELAY TACTICS BY PARTICULAR LEGISLATORS IS THE THING THAT MAKES THIS PROBLEMATIC SO WE'LL WATCH AND IF IT DOESN'T GET THROUGH.I'M GOING TO HOLD

[46:06] EVERYBODY TO THEIR WORD THAT THIS BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BRING FORWARD WE HAVE A PROCESS THAT THE SHOP OWNERS SAY THEIR PIECE BUT CAN WE. SAY YOU KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY.I HAVE PERSONALLY BEEN ADDICTED TO TOBACCO HIGH SMOKE FOR YOUR CHEWED TOBACCO FOR TEN YEARS. AND IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO GET OFF OF AND THE TEXAS SERIES MOTIVATION TO DO THAT. SO WE HAD TO TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY HENRY AT ONE OF THE LOWEST CIGARETTE TAXES IN THE NATION AND THAT'S REALLY NOT WHAT WE SHOULD DO SO. IF IT DOESN'T PASS THE LEGISLATURE AT A SUBSTANTIAL LEVEL.I PROPOSE THAT WE FILL THE GAP SO IF LEGISLATORS WOULD LEAD DOWN TO A DOLLAR. A PACK WANT TO COME BACK AND PAY TWO DOLLARS A PACK A LITTLE BIT ON THE FIFTEEN PERCENT FOR OTHER. TOBACCO PRODUCTS HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT A TWENTY FIVE PERCENT BETTER SO I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP OUR EYES ON IN OUR COMMUNITY.THE TOBACCO PRODUCTS HAVE AN ECO AND HIGH RATE OF TAXATION.SO K AND

[47:07] THAT WE CAN. TALK ABOUT THE SITTER RETREAT AND PUT IT ON OUR WORK PLAN SO THAT WE RESERVE THE SPACE FOR AND WE USUALLY GET A LEGISLATIVE UPDATE WHAT IS AROUND MARCH OR SOMETHING.SO WE'LL HAVE A GOOD IDEA THAN AN. INCREASED AT A LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE GETS MORE FREQUENT UPDATES AS WELL SO THE LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE CAN REPORT BACK IF THERE'S. A BOX AT THE STATEHOUSE AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO WEIGH IN WITH OUR STATE LEGISLATORS ARE OTHERS FOR BEING WITH FOX WILL ALSO EARLY TO SEND YOU A GO AHEAD LISA.AS CAN SEE ALSO EARLY IN THE SESSION AFTER NOVEMBER.WE GENERALLY MEET WITH OUR STATE LEGISLATORS AND SO THAT'S THE KIND TO REALLY IMPRESS UPON THEM HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS AN APPROACH THAT IS TO MAKE THIS A HIGH PRIORITY.CAN I ADD A LEFTY

[48:04] AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY IF THIS IS SUCH A HIGH PRIORITY PROCESS AND OR STAND BUT THIS IS NOTHING I MEAN. IT'S NOT ABOUT ASSAM SAID RAISING MONEY IN THE COMMUNITY THIS IS BOULDER STANDS FOR HEALTH NATIONALLY INTERNATIONALLY PEOPLE COME HERE TO TRAIN FOR THE CLEAN AIR. FOR THE ABILITY TO BE IN PLACES THAT WE HOPE TO HAVE CLEAN AIR AND THIS IS THIS IS PART OF IT.I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD STEP BACK NOW AND NOT MOVE FORWARD.I MEAN IT'S IT'S DISAPPOINTING. IT REALLY IS AND I I HEAR IT YOU SAY ABOUT GETTING INTO IT NEXT YEAR BUT. I MEAN WHAT IS THE DELAY TO MAKE IT'S JUST GOING IT'S PASSING OFF RESPONSIBILITY TO THE STATE WHEN WE COULD TAKE IT ON OURSELVES AND ACTUALLY ACT. AND SHOW WHO WE ARE AND PEOPLE ARE WATCHING US SO I WOULD JUST URGE YOU ALL TO THINK MORE THAN ONCE BUT THINK TWICE ABOUT THIS BEFORE SETTING IT OVER INTO ANOTHER YEAR.I'VE BEEN ADDICTED TO TWENTY YEARS TOBACCO.I KNOW

[49:00] LOTS OF PEOPLE LEASE AND MY FAMILY AND EXTENDED WHO'VE DIED OF LUNG CANCER.SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS AND I TAKE REALLY SERIOUSLY AND THE FACT THAT OUR YOUTHS ARE THE TARGET HERE I T W SEARS SERIOUSLY. AND AT THE END THAT'S THE WAY IT IS ALWAYS PANDER TO LIFELONG USERS.SO STEPPING FORWARD NOW I THINK IS THE THING TO DO I'M SORRY I DON'T KNOW BIG TOBACCO FOR A CURE ALL BUT I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT.I WROTE THIS NOTE WHICH MOVES ON WE ALL SHARE A PIECE BUT. MOST PEOPLE WOULDN'T CHANGE THEIR MINDS BUT IT DISTURBS YOU HAVE OTHER FOLKS IN THE VALLEY TO GO HEY WHERE THE OTHER HOTSPOT COLORADO. WE'RE GOING TO STAND UP. THE PREMIUM SORT OF AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT. WE ARE GOING TO SET A STANDARD AND I BET YOU OTHER CITIES IN BOULDER COUNTY WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT HERE WAIT A

[50:00] MINUTE. WE DON'T WANT TO BECOME THE ANSWER TO ENABLE THE COUNTY. AND TOM TAYLOR SAID IN A MODEL HERE TO OTHER PEOPLE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING SO I GUESS. I AGREE OF ALL THE OLD BALD OR ENTITIES NOT TO WORRY ABOUT. THE TOBACCO SO I'D BE READY TO ACT NOW AND JUST FOR SHARING HUMBLE LITTLE PERSONAL STORIES AND I HAD MULTIPLE MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY.I'M ADDICTED TO TOBACCO SMOKING TWO PACKS A DAY I WAS UP. TO THE EXTEND I RESPIRATORY PROBLEMS IT'S FROM ALL THE SMOKE THAT WAS IN THE ROOM AND I WAS KID. AND MY MOTHER WAS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING KILLED BY TOBACCO AND CIGARETTES BEFORE SOMETHING ELSE COUNTRY FIRST AND WE'RE WORKING ON DAUNTING RIGHT NOW.I MEAN THIS IS WHERE BEING I'M WORKING HERE QUICKLY TO DEAL TAPING LOOKING FOR TAR NEXT STEPS WHERE WE IMPOSE STRONG

[51:00] REGULATIONS TO PREVENT TEEN BEEPING WHICH IS WHAT WORK OUT RIGHT NOW.OK THAT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S WHO READ I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ONE MORE THING TO THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA. WHICH IS I THINK WE ALSO WANT TO ENCOURAGE THE STATE TO PASS A BABY DAX SAID OH OK WELL WE DIDN'T MENTION IT WAS OKAY. AND THAT MAYBE WE ARE MAKING FUN OF OUR PRIORITIES. FOR AT LEAST STARTED THEIR WEEK A LOOK AT OTHER THINGS THAT MAY BE ONE OF US AGREE COMPLETELY AND GOING TO REPLACE LIEUTENANT IN DECEMBER. THE PRIEST IS COMING UP. THE HOKIES LOST TO IN COLOR VERY MUCH AWARE OF THIS AND IS PREPARED AT FADING.OK SO I THINK THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT HOME FOR THE AMOUNT THE AMOUNT SO FORTY PERCENT HAS BEEN PUT OUT THERE AGAIN I'M NOT SURE WHY BUT. I WOULD THAT WORKS FOR KEEPING PRODUCTS I WOULD BUY DON'T WE JUST TRY IT LIKE EIGHTY PERCENT.SO I WILL SUPPORT THAT WILL SUPPORT AN OUTFITTER WILL DRIVE PEOPLE TO CIGARETTES BECAUSE THE TAX ON CIGARETTES IS EIGHTY FOUR CENTS.SO ONE OF THE PROBLEMS

[52:09] WE HAVE WITH. PICKING ALMOST ANY NUMBER FORTY SIXTY EIGHTY IS THAT IT'S GOING TO. POTENTIALLY PEOPLE ARE PRICE SENSITIVE MIGHT BE DRIVEN TO OTHER TOBACCO PRODUCTS OR CIGARETTE SO I'LL SUPPORT WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS BUT I WILL POINT OUT THAT WE'RE CREATING. THE KIND OF PRICE DISPARITY THAT WE WERE SPECIFICALLY WARNED AGAINST TEARING BY PEOPLE WHO STUDY THIS. NUMBER IS PROCESSED BUT AGAIN WE'VE BEEN SANE SENSE WAS AGED SIXTEEN TO FORTY PERCENT FOOL. SAFE PUTTING THIS ON THE BELT OR CHAIN TO THE NUMBER. THAT WE CAN ADD THIS TO THE NEXT YEARS WE PLAN TO IF WE FIND THAT FORTY PERCENT IS NOT DOING THE TREK AND PEOPLE ARE. STILL BUYING BABY PRODUCTS LIKE CRAZY FOR ABOUT FORTY PERCENT AND WE IF WE HAVE TO DRESS UP WE DON'T WE CAN CERTAINLY. PUT THAT FORWARD AS WELL BUT I FEEL A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE TEAM TO THE NUMBER TO LAST. SO IT'S

[53:01] SMART FOR NOW HERE IS A REALLY REALLY GOOD POINT TO AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT POINT. WE COULD PUT THREE DIFFERENT MEASURES ON THE BALLOT WERE TWO CIGARETTES A THREE DOLLARS WHICH IS THIRTY PIECES OF FORTY THREE PERCENT AND ONE OF RICH'S BATHING PRODUCTS OF EIGHTY THREE PERCENT.THE VOTERS DECIDE YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION HERE.WE'RE ALLOWING THE VOTERS AND SO THE PEOPLE WHO WANT A CAMPAIGN SPEECH DUE PROCESS.THOSE FOLKS CAN GO CAMPAIGN TO VOTERS.SO I READ I WOULD SAY HOW SUPPORTIVE EIGHTY THREE PERCENT NOW SUPPORT FORTY THREE PERCENT NOW NUMBERS EIGHTEEN FORTY. THREE DOLLARS I WOULD SUPPORT THREE DIFFERENT MEASURES AND WE YOU KNOW WHO'S IT FOR US TO STAND IN THE WAY OF LETTING THE VOTERS MAKE A DECISION. THIS IS CAMPAIGN SEASON AND THEY CAN GET TOBACCO CAN POUR MONEY IN HERE AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTS TO CAN POUR MONEY IN HERE.MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT SOME OF THESE OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE PASSED THESE TAXES LIKE THIS ONE CONSENT. THEY HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN THE SUBJECT OF

[54:00] HEARINGS THEY JUST CAME TO CONCERT SO I GUESS I WOULD PROPOSE I MEAN I HATE SETTING. EVADING TAX WHICH I WANT TO DO. BUT BE AND HAVING IT BE THAT SOME PEOPLE COULD GET DRIVEN TWO TYPES OF TOBACCO CONSUMPTION. EVEN MORE DANGERS POTENTIALLY BEEN BAKING. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULDN'T LET THE VOTERS MAKE THEIR MINDS UP BECAUSE THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME BETWEEN HERE AND THERE FOR THE SHOPS ARE CONCERNED. TO MAKE THEIR POINTS FOR BIG TOBACCO TO COME IN AND MAKE THEIR POINTS.SO WHY NOT LET THE VOTERS DECIDE THIS CITY.I AGREE I AGREE THIS IS WHY I THINK THAT GIVEN WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS. TOBACCO FREE KIDS THE AMERICAN CAT THE AMERICAN ACADEMY OF PEDIATRICS THE AMERICAN HEART ASSOCIATION THE AMERICAN LUNG ASSOCIATION BOULDER MEDICAL CENTER.THE BOULDER VALLEY SCHOOL DISTRICT NATIONAL JEWISH HEALTH NORTH BOULDER DENTAL COLORADO HEALTH ASSOCIATION COLORADO DENTAL ASSOCIATION GAS OR AT CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL COLORADO. YOU KNOW WE DO WE LET THESE PEOPLE DECIDE IN OUR

[55:00] COMMUNITY.I THINK SAM IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ON THE BALLOT LET THEM DECIDE. RATHER THAN AS TRYING TO DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING AND HAVE THAT AS A BACKUP IF IT DOESN'T PASS. AT THE BALLOT DIDN'T GIVE IT TO CARL CASTILLO IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO BUT THESE PEOPLE LET THEM SPEAK TO POLICE.OH WELL YOU SEE I GUESS THE QUESTION IS.IN OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT PUT HIM IN AS WORN AND WORKED WITH THE BOTTLE BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT PASSED.

[56:05] JUSTICE OF THE ONE THAT'S EVERYTHING FROM EIGHTY THREE TO NUMBER ONE MAKE SURE WE THINK WE COULD PREVAIL ON THE THAT'S THE THING AND WE'RE FROM PRETTY. MEAN IF THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT'S THE NUMBER. TO FORTY PERCENT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT IN THE STATE HAS NOT BEEN THE STATE WILL PROBABLY PUT SOMETHING IN WHATEVER THAT IS SO. BUT NONETHELESS AND TO VOTER DECISION TO PICK THE RIGHT NUMBER SO WE GET THE BALL AT LEAST LEGISLATURE PASSES ON OTHER THOUGHTS. AS MARY JUST YEARS BUT THE NUMBER WE COULD SIT YOU CAN PARK A LATE MOVE TO THE NEXT THING AND COME BACK TO IT.IF THIS IS TOO SUDDEN BUT WHAT IS THE QUESTION ON THE TABLE FORTY PERCENT VERSUS ANOTHER NUMBER FOR BP NOR ARE WE REVISITING CIGARETTE TAX.WELL YES BOTH ARE RESISTING ATTACKS MAKE ANOTHER POINT

[57:00] PEOPLE ON THIS PASSAGE ON COUNCIL SOMEWHERE BETWEEN TWO EIGHT YEARS.CIGARETTES HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR SOME OF US SINCE DINOSAURS WALKED THE EARTH.I HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR FOUR HUNDRED YEARS WE'VE KNOWN IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM FOR GENERATIONS.WE HAVEN'T PUT ON YOUR WORK LANCE BASS CAME UP AND TO PROPERLY WORK. FOR DRESSING THIS IS A EMERGENCY TEEN ISSUE. WE'D INCLUDE CIGARETTE TAX ON THE WORK PLAN IN TWO THOUSAND AND NINETEEN OR EIGHTEEN OR SEVENTEEN OR SIXTEEN YOU'VE ALL BEEN HERE TIME AND WERE SUDDENLY PUT THE CIGARETTE TAX.NOW I THINK THIS IS A GREAT SESSION HAVE ANYTHING TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE. STATEWIDE BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY WE ARE SUDDENLY CONSIDERED TEXT WITH NO NOSE TO THE COMMUNITY AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TEEN BABY AND SO YOU KNOW A GREAT. DISCUSSION HAS PUT ON THE REPLY FOR NEXT YEAR BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY REASON WHY THIS CIGARETTE TAXES ARE COMING UP. SO THAT WE DID NOT MOVE TEENS TO CIGARETTES AS

[58:00] WE SAW THAT THEY THINK. THAT'S THAT'S THE REASON MY LOAD INTO IT SO WE DO HAVE DATA THAT SHOWS THAT WE HAVE A FORTY PERCENT VACANT ACTS. TEENS WILL SUDDENLY PICK UP CIGARETTE SMOKING IS THAT THE BELIEF THAT WE HAVE SAID THAT WITH THE PROMINENCE OF SUPPORTERS.I DON'T KNOW FEEL THE ACHE IS ALL THAT RAIN HERE.I THINK THERE IS DATA THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM TOM AND I SEE JODI HERE.SHE PROBABLY TOBACCO FREE KIDS ANSWER THIS WITH DATA THAT SHOWS THAT IF IT'S A HIGHER PRICE THEN IT. DISSIPATES THE USE AND AS TO ASSAM HAS SAID IF THE CIGARETTES ARE LOWER THAN IT WILL SWITCH OVER TO SOMETHING ELSE. IN THE TOBACCO FAMILY SO THAT'S THE REASON TO HAVE THE PARODY BUT I'M SURE THE DATA IS OUT OF HER NECK AND REOPENED WITH MARY. BECAUSE YOU'RE A HIGHER PRICE WHEN I RACE TO KEEP IT GOING TO STAY HERE LONGER THAN THE MILAN KNOW AND I'M JUST GONNA SAY THAT TO ME THIS IS ABOUT PROCESS.IT'S

[59:01] STRICTLY ABOUT PROCESS BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE SEEING AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL IS EVERY TIME ONE PARTY GETS TO CONTROL THAT ONE OR RANTINGS. REGARDLESS OF FLUID AND SOUL.I JUST DON'T WANNA BE LIKE THAT HERE I WANT TO STICK TO OUR PROCESS. AND I WANT TO STICK TO HAVING LETTING THE COMMUNITY KNOW WE'RE DOING REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT IS. AND AND AS BOB SAID THIS CAME UP AND AARON SAID THAT THIS CAME UP BABY CAME UP FOR ADDRESSING IT AND I DON'T WANNA JUST LIKE LISA SAID GOTCHA.MOM IT'S IT'S NOT HOW WE DO THAT HERE WE HAVE PROCESS. GAVE LISA THE NEAR AND IN AT THIS POINT THE ONLY CAKES I'M INTERESTED IN PUTTING ON A SUNDAY AND SO I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO COME. TO AGREEMENT ON IS WHAT THE RATE OF THAT FREAKING.

[60:02] TAXES CAN BE AND I TAKE BACK WHAT I SAID BEFORE I THINK WHAT WAS DISCUSSED FOR HOW MANY DAYS. A MONTH AND TWELVE THE TWELVE DAYS WITH TALKED ABOUT FORTY PERCENT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE PEOPLE WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT SICK OKAY.AARON I MEAN TO AND AM DEEPLY UNCOMFORTABLE HERE BECAUSE ON THE ONE HAND AND IN NO WAY TO SUPPORT TOBACCO IN CIGARETTES AND IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER BUT I'M FINDING MYSELF KIND OF FUN.UNWILLING TO GO TO THE HIGH CIGARETTE TAX RATE NOW FROM A GOVERNANCE PERSPECTIVE.I JUST I'D LIKE TO BOB'S POINT BEHIND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD BEEN WORKING ON ANY ANYTIME THE LAST. FOUR YEARS SENIOR CENTERS AND WERE RESPONDING TO AN EMERGENCY THAT TEEN GAPING AND I JUST FEEL IT FROM A GOVERNANCE STANDPOINT WE SHOULD. RESPOND

[61:04] TO THAT WE BE CONCERNED ABOUT TEEN DATING DO IT QUICKLY DO IT WELL AND THEN FOR THE THINGS THAT ARE NOT. NON VIRGINS NOT EMERGING CRISIS EMERGENCY CRISIS SHOULD COME BACK TO. LOOK AT JOHN'S PLACE THAN. WHAT I'M HEARING WE SHOULD PUT ON THE DEL FORTY PERCENT SALES TAX FROM BABY PRODUCTS THAT WE NEED TO CALL THE E CIGARETTE AND BABY PRODUCTS WHILE A BOMB. AND WITH SIGNAGE THAT WHAT I'M HEARING THE NEXT ISSUE.THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD ON TAXES AND LESS OF THE GHAT WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE REGULATORY ORDINANCE CAN WE PAUSE AND TO SAY. ABOUT HOW IT WAS WRITTEN BEFORE THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE USE THE WORDS E CIGARETTES AND THE BEING IN THE TITLE IN THE TITLE SO THAT YOU REFER TO THEM.IT'S VERY CLEAR TO VOTERS WHAT I PROPOSE SINCE IT WAS HARD TO PREDICT WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO MORE DIFFICULT THAN NORMAL EVEN. SO WHAT I PROPOSE IS THAT WE PASSED YOU JUST CONTINUE THIS AND HAVE

[62:00] CONTINUED SECOND READING ON SEPTEMBER THIRD.I PROPOSE AN ORDINANCE THAT YOU AMEND AND PASS BY EMERGENCY ON SEPTEMBER THIRD WHEN ALL THESE THINGS. HAVE PASSED EMERGENCY ANYWAY YOU COULD PASS SOMETHING TONIGHT BUT HAVE TO SAY PASS THE AMENDMENT AS COUNSEL SAID THAT'S NOT REALLY GOOD SO. THAT WE CAN BE CLEAR AND TRANSPARENT WHICH ARE DOING. HALF THE PACK WAS ACTUALLY FOR ME TO TODAY BUT I GOT AN EXTENSION TILL TOMORROW SO WE'LL GET IN THE PACKET FOR THURSDAY NIGHT. AND HAVE IT FOR NEXT WEEK ON SEPTEMBER THIRTY THAT WOULD TRIGGER EIGHTY EIGHT.YES I HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH WHY WHY IS IT FORTY PERCENT IS THAT JUST BECAUSE THAT'S THE FIRST NUMBER THAT WAS TOSSED OUT IN JULY OR MINUS.SO I CAN JUST MAKE THAT UP.TUESDAY I DID WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE TONIGHT ACTUALLY AT EACH PRESENTATION I SAID. YOU HAVE DISCUSSED A NUMBER I JUST USE A SOMEWHAT HOLDERS SO. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT OTHER CITIES TO JUDGE WHAT OTHER CITIES THAT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE A DECISION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER

[63:00] I. TRY TO MAKE THAT CLEAR IN EVERYTHING I'VE WRITTEN EVERYTHING I'VE SAID THAT I WAS IN DECIDING THIS IS ALL TO YOU.I JUST USE THE NUMBERS THAT WERE OUT THERE WHY ARE YOU THE HARD PART OF I THINK THE OTHER CITIES FELL ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S THE RATE OF THE OTHER TOBACCO PRODUCTS.IT ISIT HAS THE PARITY THERE WITH THE OT PIECE FOR A FORTY PERCENT OF HIS RECALL FROM EARLIER DISCUSSION ON THAT YOU WANT TO DEVELOP PURPOSES MAKE THIS EFFECTIVE JANUARY ONE.KNOWING THAT WE MEAN THE FIELD IMPLEMENT THIS BY JANUARY ONE BUT AT LEAST GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY TO IMPLEMENT AS QUICKLY AS WE'D LIKE TO SCRAP YOUR. THANKS BY JANUARY ONE EFFECTIVE JANUARY ONE WILL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO IT WILL HAVE TO WORK WITH OUR FRIENDS AND FINANCE ABOUT WHEN YOU CAN ACTUALLY DO IT. AND SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. SUSPECT WAS JULY ONE

[64:01] OR MAYBE WE COULD DO IT ON DAY ONE IT DEPENDS TO SOME EXTENT ON HOW SUCCESSFUL THEY ARE IMPLEMENTING THE NEW SALES TAX SOFTWARE PUTTING IN. SO I WILL KEEP KAO SURPRISED AND WILL DO IT AS SOON AS WE AS WE PHYSICALLY CAT. BUT IT WAS IN JANUARY BUT THE ORDINANCE WAS TO THE BALLOT MEASURE WILL SAY JANUARY JUST HAVE THE AUTHORITY. AND I WOULD HATE TO SAY JULY AND THEN FIND OUT YOU COULD DO IT IN MAY.OK EVERYBODY GET ON THE NATION TO GO TO THE ORDINANCE.OK SO THE ORDINANCE EIGHT THREE FOUR ZERO RAISES THE AGE TO PURCHASE ALL TOBACCO PRODUCTS TO TWENTY ONE.IT BANS THE SALE OF FLAVORED TOBACCO PRODUCTS EXCEPT MENTHOL FLAVORED PRODUCTS IN ESTABLISHMENTS THAT EXCLUDE PERSONS UNDER TWENTY ONE.IT LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF ELECTRONIC SMOKING DEVICE THAT CAN BE SOLD TO ONE CUSTOMER IN TWENTY FOUR HOURS AND IT LIMITS IT TO DEVICES ARE TWO REFILLS. AND REQUIRES

[65:00] GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION OR FOR ONLINE SALES COMPARING THE INFORMATION ENTERED BY THE PURCHASE TO AT LEAST TWO DATABASES DO NOT INCLUDE SELF REPORTED SOCIAL MEDIA MARKETING. IS AT IT THAT'S IT THAT'S WHAT IT DOES.BEGINNERS ARE MORE SITES.ACTUALLY IT'S LIKE OKAY WELL WE JUST TALK ABOUT THE STUFF EATERY ON TO HAVE A CRUSH BUT COME ON THE BAND WITH SYAFIQ TO DO TO THEM.REMEMBER I THINK IT'S THE FACT THEY WERE JUST THIRTY DAYS. BUT WE DIDN'T PUT A SPECIAL EFFECT OF THIS WOULD BE THIRTY AND I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU GO TO KOREA WOULD BE THIRTY DAYS FROM THE DATE FACET.OK SO I'M GUESSING THAT THE ISSUE AND THE BAND OF THOSE TWO THINGS LET'S JUST CLARIFY IS EVERYBODY ON BOARD FOR READING AT TWO TWENTY ONE AND BY. LIMITING THE NUMBER OF

[66:01] DEVICES THAT CAN BE SOLD TO A CUSTOMER IF THE TREE FARMERS LIKE THE RIGHT AMOUNT. AND IN THE ON SITE REQUIRING IDENTIFICATION IN THE ANGST ON MY SALES ARE GOOD HONORABLE. TO EVERY QUESTION ABOUT THE HOW TO'S OF LIMITATION WILL BE IN FORCE OR NETWORK ROUTES AND VISION THAT WE KNOW THAT THAT'S TRUE OR REINFORCE IT.WE ARE IN THE CONVENIENCE STORES AND ATTEMPT TO BUY BACON PRODUCTS TWICE IN TWENTY FOUR HOURS OR WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE THOUGHT ABOUT HOW THAT'S GOING THAT'S OF COURSE THE POLICE.WE DO HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH DOING UNDERCOVER. BUYS FOR BOTH MARIJUANA AND ALCOHOL HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE OFFICER DOES MARIJUANA AND SHE SAID SHE WOULD BE ANXIOUS TO DO THIS. IF WE HAVE FUNDING FROM THE TAX I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE. PROVIDE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES TO THE PIECES AS YOU KNOW SAM WHEN WE PROVIDE SOME GIVE SOMEBODY A JOB TO DO SOMETHING. AND IT'S THAT THEY DO REALLY GOOD JOB AND WE SEE THE SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM RENTALS MARIJUANA ALCOHOL SO THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE NEXT COUNCIL THAT.PLEASE PROVIDE

[67:07] RESOURCES TO DO THAT WITH CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS THAT WE DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAY CHECK FOR AGE FOR IDENTIFICATION IF YOU PASS THAT AND FOR. MULTIPLE CELLS TO TWENTY FOUR HOURS I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT SIGNAGE WHEN YOU GOING TO STORE AND THAT MIGHT SAY SOMETHING SPECIFIC ABOUT FEEDING PRODUCTS ARE HAZARDOUS TO HEALTH.ERM SET POSSIBLE TO DO IN TERMS OF A STORE THAT SELLS FEEDING PRODUCTS.I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER THAT LISA. I READ I READ THE TWO THOUSAND AND NINE FEDERAL ACTIVE PRE AMPS LOCAL AND I'M NOT SURE WHETHER APPLIES TO ELECTRONIC BIDDING PRODUCTS I WAS LOOKING AT THE CIGARETTE ISSUE. AND WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS THAT. THE COUNCIL WILL REVISIT THIS NEXT YEAR AS. PART OF BOTH IMPLEMENTING LICENSING AND THE TAX. AND I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD HAVE I WOULD HAVE BETTER ANSWERS BEYOND WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO WITH RESPECT TO SIGNAGE BUT. I THOUGHT THAT WAS TOO MUCH TRY TO COVER HERE AND I DON'T REALLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.OK THE DEAL FLAVORS

[68:06] BUT THE CLEAREST OR IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH A BUDDY OF YOURS DOES THE FLAVORS MAY BE THE EFFECTIVE DATE.I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST IF IT IS MAJORITY SUPPORT THE EXEMPTION ON THE THOUGHT LIKE TO SUGGEST A SUNSET OF THAT AS WELL SO THAT OUR ULTIMATE OUTCOME IS THAT WE BAN ALL FLAVORS.UM AND AND SO I'D LIKE TO JUST RODE IT OUT YOU. CAN FIDDLE WITH THE EYELETS JUST THE BAN ON FLAVORS BE JANUARY ONE I'M NOT MARRIED TO THE TIME TO SPEAK AND IT. SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF A PAPER IN TIMES OF PEOPLE IT'S AWESOME TREND OF THE BUSINESS BUT WE CAN TALK OF AN EARLIER DATE MAYBE SIX OR NINETY DAYS. AND THEN ON THE EXEMPTION FOR MENTHOL THAT'S WHERE WE GO I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST A SUNSET TO THAT MAYBE A YEAR OUT. SO THAT A YEAR FROM NOW WE FIND OURSELVES WITH WILL FOREVER STAND. AND WHY NOT JUST TREAT

[69:02] THEM ALIKE AND HAVE THE OLD AND HAVE AN EXAM TO THE ONE THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS WE DO HAVE A COUPLE BUSINESSES IN TOWN.UM THAT THAT ALWAYS SHOWS WE CAN PRODUCTS AND IF WE MAKE WE DO OF A BAND OF ALL THE PRODUCTS EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY.THEN WE'RE SHUTTING DOWN THOSE TWO BUSINESSES AND AT LEAST ONE OF THEM IS LOCALLY OWNED. UNDERSTAND THAT THE HUSBAND WIFE OF A YEAR TO LEASE THE GOOD EMPLOYEES AND SO I THINK. I'D LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE SOFT LANDING FOR A COUPLE BUSINESSES TO SELL ONLY BACON PRODUCTS UNLESS I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THEM TO BE HIS FIRST LIQUOR STORES WILL HAVE OTHER PRODUCTS.SO TEXAS THAT WE THAT WE DO IS THOMAS GOT ON THE SLIDE. BUT THAT WE DO IN FACT SUNSET ON THE MENTAL EXEMPTIONS WHILE WE TALKED WITH A SIX MONTH OLD MONSTER STORM THAT THEY'RE. HERE I'M OPEN TO DISCUSSION ABOUT TIMING BUT I DO FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD WE SHOULD BAN ALSO VERSE ONE TO GET THAT OUT THERE AND

[70:00] THOUGHT ABOUT THIS. GREAT DEAL AND THEY SAY THAT I THINK IT'S THAT THE HEALTH IMPLICATIONS OF A PING OR BECOME TOO SEVERE FOR US TO LEAVE MINT AND MENTHOL. EXEMPTED FROM THESE OTHER REGULATIONS THING WE'VE HAD PRETTY UNIVERSAL. TESTIMONY FROM THE HEALTH COMMUNITY AND THE NICE COUPLE HUNDRED ACUTE CASES IN RECENT MONTHS OR WEEKS OUR PEOPLE IN THE HOSPITAL THINGS HERE ONE PERSON DIED.I WANT TO MENTION A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS IN PARTICULAR SO WE GET TO AN EMAIL RECENTLY FROM MARTY MOORE HAD OUTFIELDER WHO TALKED ABOUT HOW. THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY HAS BEEN PARTICULARLY TARGETED PERSON THE YOUNG PEOPLE IN PARTICULAR AND STRONGLY URGED US TO THEM THE FLAVOR CHICKEN PRODUCTS INCLUDING MENTHOL AND ALSO MENTIONED. I REACHED

[71:01] OUT TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE STATE CHAPTER OF THE END OF ECP. ROSEMARY LYTLE AND ASKED HER OPINION ON THE MATTER AND SHE ALSO. URGED US TO BAN ALL FLAVORS INCLUDING MINT MENTHOL BASED ON THE DISPROPORTIONATE IMPACT OF ANOTHER AND OTHER TOBACCO PRODUCTS ON THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY SO. BETWEEN THE HEALTH IN THE MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES IMPACTS DIFFICULT TO GET RID OF OF ALL FLAVORS AND I'M OPEN TO CONVERSATION TIME.THIS CAN BE JUST CLARIFY SOMETHING.WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL FLAVORED TOBACCO PRODUCTS STILL POSSIBLE TO SAFELY. REACH I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS TRACKING THAT I COOKED IT WORKS FOLKS THINK ABOUT THIS FOR A MOMENT I THOUGHT THAT. IN CIGARETTES FLAVORED CIGARETTES ARE BANNED FEDERALLY CHARTED ON AND SO THEN THERE'S OTHER TOBACCO PRODUCTS AND I'M

[72:00] PRETTY SURE THAT TRADITIONAL CIGARETTES ARE MENTHOL CIGARETTES RIGHT THANK YOU. AND AND THERE ARE FACTORS THAT HAVE ALL KINDS OF FLAVORS AND THEN THERE'S CIGARS SOME OF WHICH HAVE FLAVORS IN THEM AS WELL AND SO. IF WE DO THIS AND MIGHT BE OKAY WITH ME.IT'S GOING TO MEAN A LOT OF DIFFERENT PRODUCTS OFF OF SHELVES. PEOPLE ARE ACCUSTOMED TO BEING ABLE TO GET AND I MEAN NOT THAT I CARE BUT TO CHEWING TOBACCO WAS THE ONE THAT WILL BE THE MOST.

[73:00] I DIDN'T KNOW I'M THE ONE S THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE I I CAN GO THERE JUST SIXTY DAYS TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE READ THAT SLIGHT BECAUSE IT TALKS ABOUT TOBACCO PRODUCTS.REPRINTED FROM BANNING MENTHOL CIGARETTES.I DON'T THINK SO AND WITH THE FOLKS OF THE COMMITTEES THE ROARING FORK VALLEY BAND ALL FLAVORED EVERYTHING SO I'M SORRY I MISSED THIS LIFE IS NOT RIGHT.I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT SUZANNE THE WAY THE ORDINANCE REASON I JUST RE READING IT IT'S COME. TO ANY FLAVORED TOBACCO PRODUCTS DESIGNED FOR CAPABLE FOR USE IN ELECTRONICS POKING US WHEN WE LEARNED IN JORDAN TO APOLOGIZE.I THOUGHT THAT WAS HER PREVIOUS INCIDENTS WAS INTERESTING QUESTION. WOULD NOT MAKE MORE SENSE TO CALL OUT NICOTINE RATHER THAN TOBACCO PRODUCTS BECAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT BABY DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ALL OF THE OTHER IT'S JUST THE PURE NICOTINE. IN YOUR STOPPING

[74:05] CESSATION DEVICES TODAY SO WE DEFINE ELECTRONIC SMOKING DEVICES ANY PRODUCT CONTAINING ARE DELIVERING NICOTINE INTENDED FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION THAT CAN BE USED BY AN INDIVIDUAL SIMULATE SMOKE.SO IN THE DEFINITION ELECTRIC SMOKER WE DON'T USE THE WORD TOBACCO BUT WE WE INCLUDE IN TOBACCO PRODUCTS ELECTRONIC SMOKING DEVICES JUST IN THE DEFINITION WEEKS ARE YOU CAPTURING. STUFF WITH ZERO THE NO NO TO THIS IS WHAT NICK DID INDEED THIS STUFF THAT DOESN'T HAVE NICOTINE THAT HAS FLAVORS HAS HEAVY METALS.SO WHAT RIGHTS VOTING RIGHTS MEANS ANY PRODUCT CONTAINING OR DELIVERING NICOTINE.SO YES IT WOULD ONLY BE NICK.ALSO I'M NOT SURE THAT GETS US WHERE WE WANT TO GO. RIGHT ON MY

[75:03] FEET GOING TO BE OKAY FOR THINGS WE WANT TO BE AN OFF FLAVOR TO THE BEING. I GUESS EXCEPT FOR YOU BUT IT'S FLAVORED TOBACCO PRODUCTS IS READY TO DISCUSS MARIJUANA IS ALLOWED TO BE THEY SHOW THE REMIX FOCUS ON THE ADDICTIVE STUFF FOR NOW. NICOTINE IS ADDICTIVETHAT'S WHY IT'S WRITTEN WITH NICOTINE AND THE OTHER STUFF I THINK YOU KNOW. IT'S UP TO PEOPLE OF SOMEONE TO DO THAT AND IT'S AND THEY'RE NOT BEING ADDICTED TO BE THE SUBSTANCE AS PLANNED.OK SO YOU CAN OF FIX THE SLOW WELL HIT BALL.IT DOESN'T MATTER THE CASE OF THE STANCE THE SALE OF ALL FLAVORED BABY PRODUCTS PRODUCTS THAT DELIVER NICOTINE I GUESS. OPEN ISSUES PUBS OK BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT THE OTHERS GIVEN THE INFORMATION THAT WE HEARD ABOUT BAKING FLAVORS EVEN IF THEY DON'T HAVE NICOTINE.

[76:00] THEY'VE GOT TO THE AIR.IT'S BAD IT'S CARCINOGENIC SORROW. FOR WHAT IS THEIR WAY TO INCLUDE BOTH TOM AND THAT'S IT JUST SO WE JUST ADD THAT ANY PRODUCT CAPABLE OF DAVID AND I CONSIDERED GOING INTO THE HOLE. NOW ON TO HER WHICH IS WHAT EVERYTHING ABOUT IT CAN'T BE ANYTHING YOU CREATE A WHOLE CLASS OF PEOPLE THAT WERE JUST MADE LEGAL ILLEGAL TO PAY.THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE SET FOR A B SEVENTEEN C MAYBE TOM CAN FIGURE THIS OUT IN THE INTERVENING TIME. BUT THE OTHER THING I GUESS IN OUR FAVOR I WILL SAY THIS IS YOU MIGHT BE SOMETHING WITHOUT NICOTINE FOR THE COOL FACTOR BUT YOU NOT DO TOO AND SO ON.THE THING THAT'S REALLY SINISTER ABOUT NICOTINE IS YOU GET WHEN YOU KICK IT OFF.

[77:01] AND ALSO YOU KNOW WE'RE FOCUSED ON THIS BECAUSE OF THE TEEN HAVEN PROBLEM AND THE REASON THAT THE BIGGEST ISSUE WITH THE TEAM BEEPING IS THE EFFECT OF NICOTINE ON THE DEVELOPING BRAIN.INA SAID THAT I THINK THAT THAT'S THE MOST HARMFUL THING WITH YOUTH SMOKING AND SHAPING IT AS NICOTINE ADDICTION ON YOUNG BRAINS SITE SO THE WAY WE'VE GOT THE STRUCTURE NOT JUST CHECKING.WE EXCLUDE MARIJUANA TOBACCO PRODUCT DOES NOT INCLUDE A PRODUCT THAT DELIVERS MARIJUANA. CURRENTLY WELL DEFINITION CAN DELIVER BOTH SHARE THE LEAD SO THAT. YOU ADD TO THEIR WANTON WAY BACK ON WHEN GOD IS STRUCTURED IS WE BAN BAN THE SALE OF ANY FLAVORED TOBACCO PRODUCTS THAT USE ELECTRONIC SMOKING ELECTRONIC SMOKING DEVICE.WE DEFINE TOBACCO PRODUCTS EIGHT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY PRODUCT THAT CONTAINS MARIJUANA.BUT I STILL THINK THAT THE TEENS THAT KIND OF ACTIVE SO THE DEFINITION WE HAVE OF OF OF ELECTRONIC SMOKING DEVICE ME. READ IT ALL MEANS ANY

[78:05] PRODUCT CONTAINING OR DELIVERING NICOTINE INTENDED FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION THAT CAN BE USED. BY AN INDIVIDUAL TO SIMULATE SMOKING MIDDLE OF ROOM TO CONTAIN ERRONEOUS OR ANY OTHER SUBSTANCE EVEN IF MARKETED AS NICOTINE THREE. AS NICOTINE FREE TO INHALATION OF PRODUCTS THAT COVERS PRODUCTS HAVE NICOTINE IN THE MARKET MAY BE A SMALL. BUT MOST OF NON ALCOHOLIC BEERS ACTUALLY HAVE ALCOHOL IN THEM AND SO NONE OF THIS WE CAN NEVER. TRACE AMOUNTS OF NICOTINE AND I THINK THAT'S CORRECT TIME THAT EVEN THOSE THAT SAY NO NICOTINE THERE'S A TRACE AMOUNT SO THAT WE WOULD BE OVER THERE. OK SO EVERYTHING IS COOL BUT HONESTLY WANT TO GO FARTHER BUT IS AT A LEVEL OF THE CONCURRENCE ON THAT ONE BUT WE STILL HAVEN'T TALKED TO SOME ACTION GOING ON.OK SO NOW THIS PIC SENT THIS TIME PERIOD FOR MENTAL ONE SECOND SIR.SO EXCEPT MENTHOL

[79:00] FLAVORED AN ESTABLISHMENT SO WE REVERSED THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT COORDINATE ACTRESS SHOW.IT WAS SOO OK SO WE'RE GOING TO BAN THE SALE OF ALL CLEAN AND BEING STUCK IN THE SAME BY JENNIFER'S IN THAT DEEP BUT UNSOLD INVENTORY.OKAY THAT'S IT THAT'S ACROSS THE BOARD UNLESS WE ALLOW THIS EXEMPTION WHICH BOB CHAVEZ PROPOSED AND ERROR ENCOUNTERED IT AND I WOULD AGREE WITH AARON.THE M TWO PEOPLE ADDRESSED US FROM THE COLORADO BLACK HEALTH COLLABORATIVE. AND MENTIONED THAT EIGHTY PERCENT OF BLACK ADULT AND YOUTH SMOKERS ARE USING MENTHOL AND OVER FIFTY PERCENT OF HISPANIC MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOL SMOKERS USING MENTHOL. AND NEW NATIONAL

[80:00] DATA SHOWS MORE THAN HALF OF HIGH SCHOOL E CIGARETTE USERS ARE USING MENTHOL MINT FLAVOR SO I THINK THAT REALLY SPEAKS TO NOT HAVING ANY EXEMPTIONS AND FULL FLAVORED.LET'S PUT THIS ANOTHER WAY BECAUSE YOU ARE SAYING PHASE HIM OUT TO SKYPE THEM LONGER AS TO ALLOW FOR AN A SHIRT LANDING.MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO ALLOW FOR AN ICELANDIC. AND WHAT THAT IS HELP PEOPLE GET OUR LEASE IS THAT WHATEVER WHAT YOU HAD IN MIND BUT. TWO ISRAELIS ADDRESS THE TWO BUSINESSES ALSO EXPAND ITS OWN BUS THAT'S ONLY SOME SUGGESTING A SENSE ADDING. MENTHOL EXEMPTION OF SOME PERIOD OF TIME IS REALLY JUST ABOUT THAT AND IF THE PEOPLE FUNDED BY THE MOTHER LISA SAID OR MEANT WE MIGHT NOT GET ON. TO A POLICY MEANS A TOBACCO POLICY MEANS EVERYONE TO HELP BUSINESSES AND CARS AND I WILL SAY. THEY DO JUST PAUSE AND SAY WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO SOME OF THE LOCAL BUSINESSES AND TOM HARDY AND IT'S BEEN HARD ON TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO. BE FAIR

[81:01] AND ALSO ADDRESS THIS BUT FEELS LIKE A CRISIS FOR YOU AND ARM.NOW IF PEOPLE HAVE IDEAS ABOUT HOW TO HELP. BUSINESSES GET OUT OF THIS BUSINESS I THINK THAT'S A MORE PRODUCTIVE WAY TO GO THE EXEMPTION WILL ANY OF YOU CAN IMAGINE A LITTLE BIT OF A LONGER. PERIOD FOR TIMELY GIVEN THREE EXTRA MONTHS OR SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE ARE ONLY LOW NUTRITION TWENTY ONE STORY CONTRACTIONS.HOWEVER THIS IS A SINCERE ARTIST ALMOST SEPTEMBER AND IF WE ENFORCE THIS OR HAVE JUST ENACTED IN JANUARY THAT STILL A NUMBER OF MONTHS FOR CLEARING OUT INVENTORY.I DON'T THINK THE INTENTION WAS TO PUT ANYONE OUT OF BUSINESS BUT AT THE SAME TIME THIS IS AN UNREGULATED PRODUCT AND IT ASSUME ONE ASSUMES RISK IN DOING THAT KIND OF THING.IF

[82:05] THE FEDS CAME IN TODAY AND SAID OK WE'RE SHUTTING DOWN ALL THE MARIJUANA ESTABLISHMENTS WOULD WE BE OBLIGATED TO BAIL EVERYONE KNOW I'M. A SUCKER ON INVENTORY MORE ABOUT THE FACT THAT SOMEONE BUSINESS EIGHTEEN MONTHS IN THE LEASE. RATE AND THE PERSON GUARANTEED ADMISSION AND DONE IT BUT WE HAD ALSO BEEN TO CHURCH AND ALSO IN ALL THE FUTURE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE. WOULD BE PUT OUT OF BUSINESS WE WERE TO SEE SILLY BUT I MEAN THE POINT IS THAT WE'RE THIS IS A LEGAL PRODUCT AND WERE MAKING IT ILLEGAL. AND WITH RESPECT TO THE TWO BUSINESSES THAT'S ONLY THIS KIND OF YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF BANKRUPTCY.MAYBE THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS THAT'S A JUDGMENT CALL BUT MY POINT IS IT'S IT'S IT'S EASY TO BE WE SHOULD KNOW THE GOVERNMENT COMES THROUGH AND START. CLOSING DOWN BUSINESSES ON SHORT NOTICE WHEN THEIR CELLAR PRAGUE ALL THIS LIFE AND REPREHENSIBLE BUT STILL ARE TECHNICALLY LEGAL SO I'M JUST A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE.SHUTTING DOWN

[83:01] BUSINESSES BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE WHAT THIS ALL DID WELL OR YOU SEE I GUESS. I THINK IT'S MORE WITH US ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP THEM OUT AS A TRANSITION OUT OF A BUSINESS THAT WE DID NOT WANT HAPPENING IN OUR TOWN ANYMORE.I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WE'RE NOT THAT I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A BUSINESS HELP FUND ITS. HIM BUT WHO DO LIVE IN WOODWARD REASON IS TWENTY ONE THAT WE'RE SEEING THIS AT THE DOOR TO DOOR. POSTS AND A BIG TAX AND WE DON'T KNOW YET MAYBE THOSE ARE ALL SUCH THINGS OR MAYBE THEY ARE INSUFFICIENT THINKS. SEE WHAT THIS IS AN ORDINANCE WE CAN ALWAYS ADJUST. SO WE COULD SO WE COULD PUT THE MENTHOL EXEMPTION WITH. IT WITH A SUNSET AND THEN IF WE FIND THAT THERE'S MUCH YOU CAN WALK AROUND SPOKEN BABY PRODUCTS IS SOMEHOW SNUCK IN THE DOOR AND GOT HIM. AND WE CAN ACCELERATE THE EXEMPTION HOWEVER I THINK YOU KEEPING TRACK OF THE I MEAN THE NUMBERS SHOW THAT THOSE KIDS ARE WALKING AROUND USING THESE THINGS.THE NUMBERS SHOW IT.THAT'S THE DATASO AGAIN I

[84:03] WOULD SAY THAT WE ACT NOW AND I MEAN I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THE INTENT WAS AND PUT ANYONE OUT OF BUSINESS BUT. THIS IS AGAIN IT'S AN EMERGENCY. AND THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUNG PEOPLE'S LIVES HERE SO I I JUST HAVE SOME DIFFICULTY IN LOOKING AND SEEING LATER. WHAT THE NUMBERS ALREADY TOLD US WHO ARE PEOPLE GOOD WITH THE JANUARY FIRST EFFECTIVE DATE.PS MAC AS PEOPLE PONDER SALOMON TORRES FOR MONTHS. YEAH SO I WOULD JUST BE FOR FLAVOR OR THE ORDINANCE. BEFORE THE FLAVOR TO FLAVOR THE MEAT WE WANT TO ME AND YET CAN WE DO ALL THE OTHER STUFF IMMEDIATELY CLIMB AND THIRTY S THAT STUFF THAT WAS MY QUESTION.AH BUT THAT FEELS GOOD TO ME IS IT SOMEBODY OF STAFF HAS AN IDEA OF HOW WE WENT OVER TO THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT

[85:00] EXEMPTING OUT OF THIRTY DAY MAYBE MENTHOL.WELL NO I THINK WE JUST SAID WHEN WE WERE ALL FLAVORS FOR THIRTY DAYS AND ALL WE SAID THE BAND GOES TO JANUARY FIRST. AND THERE'S NO SUCH THING. THAT IS ORDINANCE SLIVER OF AN ORDINANCE THOSE THE SECOND THIRTY DAYS AND THAT AFFECTS ALL OTHER FLAVORS EXCEPT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE SAYING THAT FLAVOR VAN WOULDN'T START TO JANUARY FIRST.I'M NOT OKAY WITH THAT. SO I'M OKAY WITH EXEMPTING THEM AND CALL UNTIL TEN TO JANUARY THE RIGHT. LITTLE TRANSITION TIME TO ONE QUARTER TRANSITION TIME OR SELL OR WHATEVER BUT ALL THE FLAVORED STUFF CANDY CRUSH THEM OR. YOU KNOW UNICORN CHEESY POPCORN OR WHATEVER THAT STUFF ALL NEEDS TO STOP NOW AND SO I WOULDN'T PUSH

[86:00] THE ENTIRE PAN OUT I WOULDN'T SAY. THERE'S AN EXEMPTION FOR MENTHOL THE CAREERS OF JANUARY FIRST TWO WHO MET ME AND THE ESTABLISHMENT OVER TWENTY ONE SO WE'RE TAKING ALL THE CANDY CRASH.NOW ALL THAT STUFF IN THERE AND THE MENTHOL AMERICA AS A LITTLE TIME TO TRANSITION JANUARY FIRST.I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BUT NO MORE.YES I THINK IT'S JUST JUST SAY WE'RE ON. THE SILVERS OF THESE FOLKS ARE OR WERE JUST THROWN OUT OF BUSINESS AND YOU KNOW WE'RE GOING TO PASS STRONG REGULATIONS AND THEY'RE GOING TO GO AND EFFECTS SEEN. IN WHERE WE ARE RUNNING PEOPLE OUT OF HIS SKIN SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A LITTLE BIT OF TIME SEEM SO CAREFULLY LAMA SAYS BUT. WHAT IF IT ALL WENT INTO EFFECT THIRTY DAYS IT SEEMS TO ME THAT FOLKS IS A COUPLE STORES THAT THIS IS ALL THEY SAW AND IT. CAN YOU REALLY GET RID OF

[87:01] ALL YOUR INVENTORY TO HIS MOM. BUT THE ONE TO BE PUT OUT OF BUSINESS AND HAVE A LITTLE TIME TO FIGURE OUT THEIR TRANSITION AND MOVE TO ANOTHER BUSINESS FOLKS HAVE AT LEAST. IT SEEMS TO BE FOR THOSE STORES TO EXCLUDE ANYBODY.THIS MEANS THAT IN THIRTY DAYS TO CAMP BY STEPHANIE SULLIVAN YOU CAN'T BUY IT ANYWHERE ON THE RIGHT AND THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT PART. THE QUESTION IS FOR THOSE ESTABLISHMENTS THAT EXCLUDE ANYBODY UNDER TWENTY ONE A LITTLE LONGER TO TRANSITION I GUESS THAT'S THE QUESTION IN MY MIND AND ON. RATHER THAN HAVING LIKE SIX MONTHS OR TWELVE MONTHS MENTALLY AND LOOK. THE COMPROMISE WAS JANUARY FIRST BUT SO ARE YOU SAMMY FOR YOU TO VOTE ON THE STUMP. THAT'S UP TO YOU IF YOU PASS

[88:00] BY EMERGENCY CAN PROBABLY GET IT DONE BY SEPTEMBER THIRD MY PREFERENCE WOULD MAYBE HAVE ANOTHER WEEK OR SO. TO DRIVE TO STUFF IT IN THE OBVIOUSLY THE TAXES YOU HAVE TO VOTE ON SEPTEMBER THIRTY.THIS IS DUE BACK PAY WELL AND BY BECKMAN BE ABLE TO DO IT IN SEVEN ELEVEN AND IN EVERY CONVENIENCE STORE.IT'S STILL FOUR MONTHS AND WE HEAR WORDS LIKE EMERGENCY COMING FROM HERE ON THE DIOCESE AND EMAIL IF IT REALLY IS THE METS' FOUR MONTHS OF SOMEBODY. YOU KNOW CONTINUING TO ACCESS AN. AGE RANGE RAISE TO TWENTY ONE IMMEDIATELY. KNOW AND STAND THAT THOUGHTS DO YOU THINK THERE WILL BE NO TWENTY TWO YEAR OLD BOULDER THAT'S GOING TO GO BUY A BUNCH OF FLAVORED STUFF AND SELL IT TO KIDS.I MEAN I THINK PEOPLE SEE THIS IS A BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY AND THAT CONCERNS ME.SO MAYBE WE CAN AVOID DEBT REACHES THE QUESTION OF IS TWENTY FOUR HOURS A GOOD NUMBER.WELL

[89:06] IN POINT TREAT LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF ELECTRONIC SMOKING DEVICES THAT CAN BE SOLD AND I WOULD SAY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE POD THIRD THE PODS ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE FULL SO I WOULD WANT TO INCLUDE IN THAT THIRD GOAL IT. LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF ELECTRONIC SMOKING DEVICES AND TIED TO THIS AND THAT CAN BE SOLD TO ONE CUSTOMER AND THEN PICKING OUR SNAKE MAYBE TWENTY FOUR HOURS.MAYBE TOO MANYOH I MEAN IT'S IT'S LIKE NEGOTIATE EVERY DAY IF YOU'RE GOING DEAL DOES STUFF IN YOUR TWENTY TWO YEARS OLD.YOU COULD GO AND BUY ONE OF THE SPOT TO WIN ELECTRONIC SMOKING DEVICE EVERY DAY AND THEN YOU CAN SELL OR LICENSE. THIS WILL BE POTENTIALLY USEFUL BUT RIGHT NOW TO GET A DIFFERENT STORE.LOUIS WILL

[90:07] REDUCE THE STORE EVEN MORE THE WAY THE COOLEST OFF TO TAKE THIS OPTION BOOK. A QUESTION FOR TOM TOM IN THE THIRD BULLET ITEM AT LEAST IT WAS JUST REFERRING TO DOES THAT INCLUDE SO CALLED USES THE TWO TIME ALL THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.NO NO NO NO NOPE WE TELL SOMEONE TO SELL ELECTRONIC CIGARETTES OR FOR ASSOCIATED PRODUCTS INCLUDING REFILLS TO ANY PERSON IN ANY TWENTY FOUR HOUR PERIOD. THAT FORCES IN FETISHES THAT MEAN FOR PACKETS OF YOU OR FOR THE JUDGES SAY IT'S THE THAT THE INDIVIDUAL PARTS.WELL ITS PROBABLY WOULDN'T LOOK ASKEW AT A STORE IF THEY HAD FOUR TOGETHER ONE PACKAGE AND WE DO NOT HAVE A DEFINITION OF

[91:00] ASSOCIATED PRODUCTS I CERTAINLY COULD WRITE ONE AND THE .HOW ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE A WEEK YOU CAN BUY ANYMORE NEW LIFE. BECAUSE IT INCLUDES THE PARTS SOME PEOPLE MAKE IT THROUGH THE PARK TODAY AND SO MAKING IT WE. WILL COME UP WITH THE BETTER LOOKING WHEN WE COME UP WITH AN INFORMED HIM WE MAYBE DON'T HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT TONIGHT.DO WE SHOW IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE CLEAR ON EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR HOW TO HELP. SO LEAVING BUSINESSES TRANSITION TO ANOTHER BUSINESS MODEL OR LINE OF WORK SO THAT'S THE PART OF THE WAY TO CLEAR EVERYTHING ELSE AND SO RATHER THAN LOOK AT IT AS AN EXEMPTION AROUND PRODUCTS.

[92:07] LET'S FOCUS ON WHEN IT GOES INTO EFFECT AND I AND OR WHETHER SOME OF THE WAY HOME. JUST BECAUSE IT'S MORE THAN JUST ITS OWN INVENTORY IT'S THE FACT THAT THEY ARE COMMITTED TO LEASES THAT HAVE EMPLOYEES WILL HAVE TO FIND NEW JOBS.I MEAN IT'S LIKE HAVING ABOUT. THE SHOPPING CENTER ON THE HILL RIGHT TO DISPLAY SOME POLICE MOVED OFTEN BUSINESSES HAVE TO MOVE OR QUIT THE BUSINESS AND SO I THINK IT'S. THE SAME TIME WHICH IS HOW DO WE CREATE A SOFT LANDING FOR THOSE BUSINESSES AND THEIR OWNERS AND THEIR EMPLOYEES SUCH AS SYMMETRY. THE ESSENTIAL THAT WE HELP TO KEEP IN MIND THE EMPLOYEE PART TO RATE THE PEOPLE WHO VIEWS INTO. THE WORK THAT YOU DON'T LIKE MY SUGGESTION WHICH WAS IF YOU'RE IN OVER TWENTY ONE STORY GOES INTO EFFECT JANUARY FIRST I WAS FINE AND THAT. MOST AVERAGE I GET IS

[93:00] TO COPY MY SHOULDER SO THE MEN FOLLOWING ME IT WAS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT BEING COMFORTABLE WITH BECAUSE IF IT'S THAT POPULAR. AND PEOPLE ARE OVER TWENTY ONE GOING IN AND KEEPING THE REVENUE STREAM. FROM THE BUSINESS FROM FALLING OFF A CLIFF THAT WAS FIRE IS MARRIED WAS TO HELP THE BUSINESS ESSENTIALLY BECAUSE THERE'S NO OTHER JUSTIFICATION. FOR AN EXEMPTION FOR MENTHOL AND MET IT'S JUST THAT I FIND THAT CAN BE CRUSHED AND THE STUFF THAT IS INTENDED REALLY. MOSTLY FOR KIDS EVEN IF IT SOLD IN OVER TWENTY ONE STORE.I'M CONCERNED THAT IT'S JUST AN INDUCEMENT BUT ARE GONE WORSE WITH WHEREVER WE LAND UP.I'M JUST AN EXPRESSION MY OBJECTION TO MY DISTASTE FOR THE STUFF THAT'S AIMED AT CHILDREN THINK THIS UNIVERSE.OKAY WELL SO WE CAN UNTIL WE CAN SAY OK BAN ON ALL FLAVORS GOES INTO EFFECT AND THIRTY.WHENEVER THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE ORDINANCES IN THIRTY DAYS.MOM AND THAT GOES INTO EFFECT JANUARY FIRST THE MENTHOL MENTHOL JUST THE GOALIE JUST FOR THE STORES THAT ARE OVER

[94:00] TWENTY YEARS.THAT'S WHY OUR NEIGHBORS JUST THE MENTAL SYSTEM AND IS AT MINIMUM PAUSES MENTAL AMENDMENT ALSO IT'S WRITTEN JUST THOUGHT WE COULD HAVE MEANT THAT. WE HAD A LONG DISCUSSION AND YOU DECIDE ON JUST MENTAL WITH AN AD FOR TEMPORARY EXEMPTION YOU COULD WIN IF IT WERE PERMANENT.YOU MIGHT ZOOM IN MORE FOR TEMPORARY EXEMPTIONS BECAUSE MEN WILL GO UNDER FLAVORS THAN TRANSFORMERS. SENTIMENT TO MAKE THEM FOCUS ARE VERY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER. TO ADD A TB SO SHE DID A SUMMARY JUST LOOKING BRIEFLY CONFUSED EVERYBODY IN THE THAT OPEN YOU THE STORY THE IDEA OF GOD.OK THE EVEN SO THAT IT'S PUT OUT RIGHT FOR BANNING THE SALE OF FLAVORED TOBACCO.THE BEAN

[95:01] PRODUCTS WITHIN THIRTY DAYS OR WHENEVER THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS IS THIRTY DAYS AFTER PASSAGE WILL BE A FOUR MONTH EXEMPTION UNTIL JANUARY FIRST FOR STORES. THAT SOLD OVER TWENTY ONE FROM AND MENTAL ERRORS.YES IN THE OTHER THINGS THERE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE THINGS THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO WHETHER WE HAVE LIMITS ON ELECTRONIC SMOKING DEVICES. IS TSK SO I WILL CRAFT A DEFINITION FOR ASSOCIATED PRODUCTS THAT MAKES IT CLEAR THAT IT'S ONE PAW OR OTHER THINGS YET TO BE YOUR INTENT IN THERE SOME STORES ALREADY HAVE LIMITS.SO THERE'S SOME OTHER SOME PEOPLE HAVE DONE SOME THINKING ABOUT WHAT IS AN APPROPRIATE MOMENT WE MIGHT TALK TO.I GOT THAT FROM A TOBACCO AND I GUESS MAYBE LISA'S POINT IS YOU COULD IMAGINE TO LIMIT THE DAILY LIMIT WEEKLY LIMIT FOR EXAMPLE. IF IT'S TOO LATE BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOUR IDEA I WAS LIKE LOOKING INTO GEAR SO I WILL ENDEAVOR TO GET THIS IN THE PACKET TOMORROW FOR SEPTEMBER THIRTY.YOU CAN PASS ON SECOND READING AND THEN WE COULD DO WAS A THIRD READING ON CONSENT. IN TWO

[96:08] WEEKS LATER YOU'RE IN A NORMAL PROCESS IN THE FOLKS TO DO WE NEED TO PASS THE ORDINANCE ON SEPTEMBER THIRTY. WHEN I WAS ALL FRESH IN YOUR MIND I WOULD LIKE YOU SO OKAY GOT IT RIGHT THIS IS JUST TRYING TO BE NICE TO. YOU IT'S NOT THAT HARD TO DO WHAT YOU'VE JUST SUGGESTED. AND BECAUSE MOST OF IT'S THE SAME. WAY ONLY MADE REALLY ONE CHANGE TO CHANGES TO THE REGULATORY ORDINANCE AND IF YOU GOT IT WRONG SOMEHOW YOU CAN TELL ME NEXT WEEK AND WHAT. DOES ONE OBSERVE IS THAT AMERICA IS NOT HERE IN SEPTEMBER THIRD AND SHE DOES HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT THIS WHICH WAS PROBABLY MORE CANDOR WERE. THERE AND I WERE AS FAR AS SOME PRINTING OUT A PERIOD OF REPRIEVE A MENTHOL SO I JUST. FINALLY ON SEPTEMBER THIRD WOULD PASS IT TWO WEEKS AFTER THAT THE EDGES HAVE A CHANCE TO HAVE A SAY ON FINALLY GET TO GET THE JIST.SHE MADE A DIFFERENT VIEW.OK WE GET TO AND I THINK THE TIMING IS GOOD.I JUST NEED REQUEST OF

[97:01] US THAT WE ON SEPTEMBER THIRTY JUST MAKE SURE THIS EXP RESTAURANT AND NOT REDO THE WHOLE DISCUSSION.YES IT MIGHT BE PUT ON CONSENT FOR. A THIRD ON BOTH THINGS THAT YOU HAD A LENGTHY DISCUSSION OF OR IF THIS I'VE GOT SOMETHING WRONG IT WAS FIXED ON CASSETTE. OR A LAST THOUGHT GOOD AS WHAT I THINK THE COMMUNITY.RUTH HAD A LOT OF ADVOCATES ON THEIR ON THIS ISSUE TO BE INCREDIBLY PERSUASIVE AND EFFECTIVE AND YOU COME AT IT FROM POSITION OF CARING ABOUT OUR CHILDREN. AND THEY BROUGHT THE STORE TENSION WAS NOT ON THE RADAR JUST DEEPLY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT.SO THANK YOU ALL ELSE ONE THING EVERYONE FOR COMING OUT THIS BEEN A LOT OF PASSIONATE ADVOCACY AND RANDOM. PEOPLE IN THE ROOM THAT ARE NOT THE LOVE PEOPLE NOT IN THE ROOM THAT HAVE A LOT OF PASSION ADVOCACY AND OTHER SITES.I ALWAYS JOKE

[98:00] WITH MY WIFE SAID EVERY TUESDAY NIGHT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ANNOY HALF THE PEOPLE IN TOWN. AND EVERYONE GOT WHAT THEY WANTED TONIGHT SO I COULD PROBABLY MANAGE TO ANNOY EVERYBODY IN TOWN. BUT POLITICS IS COMPROMISE AND I THINK. THE BEST WE CAN TRY TO BE FAIR TO BE BALANCED OR TEN LIST OF FOLKS WHO DON'T KNOW WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY AND I SUSPECT THIS IS NOT THE LAST WORD ON THIS TOPIC.MARY AND I WOULD DO THOUGH WHEN PAPA SAID AND I WOULD LIKE ALSO TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN KEEP SOME METRICS. ON THIS AND YOU KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT TOBACCO WE TALK ABOUT NICOTINE AND UM AND THEN THERE'S OT OPIOID ONE OF THE MOST. MOVING TESTIMONY THAT WE HEARD WAS FROM. A DOCTOR WHO HAS A DAUGHTER WHO WAS COMING OFF

[99:00] OF THE GAPING ADDICTION AND SHE READ FROM THE DAUGHTER'S DIARY. IN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS IN THAT PASSAGE FROM FROM THE DIARY WAS THAT. SHE HAD NO ISSUES GOING TO DO WITH HER SAD AND MISERABLE LIFE OR SOMETHING TO THAT EXTENT AND SO. TO ME WHAT THAT SAYS IS THAT THAT'S THE ISSUE. IS THERE SOMETHING IN KIDS' LIVES THAT MAKES HIM SAD AND MISERABLE THAT MAKES THEM WANT TO DO THIS SO THIS IS A COMMUNITY ISSUE AND WE ALL HAVE TO STEP UP AND DO IT.I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO BE. THE ANSWER AND THAT'S WHY I WANT TO SEE METRICS ON ON THESE ITEMS TO SEE WHAT THE EFFICACY IS AFOOT WITH JUST AN. ARM BUT I DO THINK THAT THAT WAS THE HEART OF THE MATTER HOME. THE SADNESS AND KIDS LIKE. SAM THANK EVERYBODY FOR A CERTAIN

[100:00] SHOE WAS MUCH APPRECIATED AND YOU KNOW THERE'S A LOT THAT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND ABOUT HOW WIDESPREAD THE PROBLEM WAS AND THAT TARGETED. ADVERTISING WAS SO THAT WAS AN EDUCATION IT WAS GOOD TO LEARN. LITTLE DISAPPOINTED ABOUT WHAT WE'VE DONE AND IT IS BETTER THAN NOTHING AND SO THERE HAVE BEEN BIG STEPS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION IN THIS MEASURE.I'LL COMMIT BECAUSE I WILL BE ON THE NEXT COUNCIL THAT IF WE DON'T GET SOMETHING TO THE LEGISLATURE'S I'M GOING TO BRING THIS BACK. AND WE CAN HAVE ALL THE PROCESS WE WANT BUT IT'S GOING TO BE. SILLY IF WE HAVE INCREASED THE RATE AND TAX. DIDN'T GET WHAT WE WANT THE LEGISLATURE IF WE DON'T BRING THEM BACK TO PARODY IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE WHAT WE'VE DONE. SO I'M GLAD WE'VE DONE WHAT WE'VE DONE I'LL VOTE FOR IT EVEN THOUGH. I WISH WE COULD'VE DONE MORE BUT KEEP ON US AND IF WE MAY BE ACTIVE IN THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION BECAUSE IT SURE BUT TOBACCO WILL BE AND BE. BACK TO US IF

[101:07] WE IF WE DON'T GET WHAT WE OFFER THE LEGISLATURE MAKE SURE THAT WE DO WHAT WE SAID WE'RE GOING. TO NEED TO I ALSO WANNA THANK TO PEOPLE WHO CAME OUT I THINK THIS HAS BEEN IN A VALIANT EFFORT AND YOU HAVE TAUGHT US ALL SOMETHING. I AM ALSO DISAPPOINTED I FEEL LIKE WE'VE DONE A HALF MEASURE HERE BUT THERE'S A COMMITMENT I HEARD IT.I'M NOT GOING TO BE ON THE COUNCIL NEXT TERM. BUT FROM THE EMAILS THE BASIS FOR A WHILE NOW AND I HOPE YOU KEEP IT UP KEEP THE KEEP IT UP KEEP GOING BECAUSE THAT'S. A LOT OF FORCE BEHIND YOU AND YOU'VE GOT THE DATA BEHIND YOU YOU'RE NOT MAKING THIS UP. SO I THANK YOU AGAIN I I I REALLY DO FOR HELPING US ALL. HELP YOU HELP THE CHILDREN IN THIS COMMUNITY AND I HOPE OTHERS BY SOME EXAMPLE WE MAY SET WHEN WE DO THE FULL MEASURE.

[102:11] THANKS WILL AND OTHERS JUST AN ARM AND THEY AGREE WITH IT SOME MAKING POLICY IS FUSSY. OR SICK FROM WHOLE CLOTH BUT SORT OF STUFF STUFF IS COMPLICATED AND IT'S AN INDEX FOLKS AND IT WAS QUITE GOOD. IT PROPELS CHANGE JOE BIDEN ARE LITERALLY BUT I THINK IT'S MORE THAN A HALF MEASURE WAS A BIG STEP FORWARD AND TOM. WE WILL KEEP MONITORING IT AND I DO THINK THAT LOOKING AT YOU. HOLD A HEALTH THAT GET A NOM NEIGHBORING CITIES TO ALSO STEP UP TO THE PLATE WILL BE AN IMPORTANT PART OF SUCCESS. WITH THAT THANK YOU ALL WEEK AND IT LEADS TO OUR NEXT. SPEC TO SCHOOL NIGHT AT BOULDER HIGH IN EUROPE SO THE PARENTS YOU KNOW I AM A LITTLE BITTER THAT MISSING BACK TO SCHOOL NIGHT.

[104:15] SHE'S GIVING ME A SODA COLA FOR THE MOST TO THE MEET RECORD. THUS THE YOU ARE A QUICK MEAL EVERYBODY'S CAR MUST GET THIS DONE THE GO.IF YOU ARE WHAT YOU CAN MOVE ALL I MEAN

[105:00] THE LOVE THEY SHOWERED READ IT. THE COUNCIL WILL COME BACK TO THE ER. THE HOME THAT DOES LIKE THE US LIKE THEY'VE ALL GIVEN ME THEIR PROXIES LETTER OF THE SEASON WHEN THE ACTION. IN THE CREED RECITING POETRY GENERALLY THE WATER.OKAY I THINK WE'RE READY TO COOK A GOOD EVENING COUNCIL.WE ARE BACK TO TALK

[106:09] ABOUT THE ALPINE BOSTON AREA PLAN AND I'M JUST GOING TO SEE THINGS UP HERE JUST A LITTLE BIT. AS WE WERE TALKING LAST NIGHT AND THEN AS A STAFF TEAM WE WERE. WORKING TODAY TO TRY AND HELP KIND OF THINK ABOUT HOW WE HELP THE CONVERSATION TODAY BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU'VE HEARD. IN THE HEARING YESTERDAY AND THE GORE WERE TRYING TO REALLY ACHIEVE THROUGH THIS ROUND OF HEARINGS IS TO UNDERSTAND THE CONSENSUS BETWEEN. THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE COUNCIL AND TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE DIFFERENCES WERE AT HEARING. AND TRYING TO KIND OF ANTICIPATE WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS NOW KIND OF GOING FORTH FROM THIS MOMENT FORWARD SO I WANTED TO INTRODUCE A BIT OF MAYBE A THOUGHT OF A FRAMEWORK.I'D LIKE US TO JUST KIND OF WALK THROUGH IT AND THEN WE'RE IN ACTUALLY COME BACK TO HIM A LITTLE BIT LATER. BUT THINK

[107:03] OF THE TOP OF THAT TRIANGLE WERE WE GOT THE AREA PLAN ON THE TABLE NOW AND THAT'S KIND OF THE MOST BROAD SAYING THAT WE COULD DO. AS WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YESTERDAY. WE COULD LOOK AT AN AREA PLAN THAT HAS A PHASING MECHANISM MAYBE THE CITY OWNED SITE IS THE FIRST PHASE. AND EVERYTHING OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OWNED SITE IS A FUTURE PHASE THAT DOESN'T GET IMPLEMENTED FOR FIVE OR TEN YEARS SOMETHING LIKE THAT.WE ALSO MODIFIED THE AREA PLAN WE HEARD LOTS OF CONCERN ABOUT ON THE COMMERCIAL CENTER.WE JUST TAKE THAT OUT OF THE AREA PLAN BOUNDARY AS AN OPTION NO CHANGE TO THAT AREA KEEP THE SAME LAND USE KEEP THE SAME ZONING AS IT IS TODAY.ANOTHER OPTION THAT WE COULD DO IF YOU WANTED TO NARROW EVEN FURTHER WOULD BE. HAVE THE AREA PLAN ONLY FOR THE CITY OWNED PROPERTIES THE CITY OWNED SITE AND REMOVE EVERYTHING SURROUNDING IT FROM THE AREA PLAN. ON THE LAST OPTION WOULD BE JUST KNOW AREA PLAN AT ALL WE WOULD JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH A BILLION CONVERSATION AND ON.THEN WE WOULD FIGURE OUT

[108:00] THE REST LATER WE OBVIOUSLY ON A LARGE PIECE OF REAL ESTATE SO WE WOULD STILL HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO. BUT THAT'S KIND OF A FRAMEWORK TO THINK ABOUT THE OPTIONS THAT ARE ON THE TABLE. BEFORE WE DIVE INTO THAT AND TRYING TO KIND OF DECIDE IF WE WANT TO EXPLORE THAT ON WHAT WE'D REALLY LIKE TO DO IS NOW KIND OF COME BACK TO. WHAT THE AGENDA WAS FOR YESTERDAY WHICH WAS FIRST TO TALK ABOUT THE PAVILION AND APPROACH ON THE PAVILION WE STILL THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. FOR COUNCIL TO START THERE WITH THE PAVILION. AND THEN WE CAN MOVE INTO THE AREA PLANNED CONVERSATION AND BASED ON THIS FRAMEWORK IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT THAN. WE CAN TALK ABOUT DO WE WANT TO TALK BY. COMPONENT AS WE TEE UP THE AGENDA OR DO WE WANT TO TALK IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WAY SO WITH THAT AND HEADED OVER TO GENE REALLY QUICK. AND SWAP OUT THE PRESENTATION AND TOM JUST TO SAY IF YOU KIND OF WORDS BEFORE WE HEADED BACK TO COUNCIL MEETING COUNCIL MEMBERS I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS COME FROM. THAT MIGHT HELP WITH SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD LAST NIGHT AND SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS.SO

[109:05] WITH THE FIRST ONE IS ON THE AREA PLAN PURPOSE AND THE REASON WHY WE'VE SUGGESTED LAND USE CHANGES IN THE WIDER AREA.SO AS YOU KNOW AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WHEN THERE'S A CATALYST FOR CHANGE SCENARIO AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT REDEVELOPMENT.SOMETIMES WE SEE RIPPLE EFFECT AND OTHER PROPERTIES A MENTOR TO REDEVELOP REDEVELOP MAYBE IS ABOUT USES.MAYBE IT'S ABOUT MEDICAL USES THAT HAD SOME AFFINITY TO THE HOSPITAL THE TURN. THAT NOW MAY WANT TO MOVE TO THE BABY BELL USES IT MAY BE ABOUT AGING BUILDINGS. BUT THE AREA PLANS PURPOSE. IS TO HAVE CONSIDERED THE FUTURE FOR. REDEVELOPMENT BEFORE WE SEE THOSE APPLICATIONS SO THAT THERE'S A GUIDE TO REVIEW THOSE INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS. CAN GET WE WANT GET WHAT WE WANT AND THIS IS REALLY A BOWL THE BOWL FOR LAND USE AND FOR THE CONNECTIONS PLAN. ONE OF THE KEY PURPOSES OF THE CONNECTIONS PLAN IS TO IDENTIFY WHERE WE WANT NEW STREETS AND CONNECTIONS.ALLIE

[110:07] CONNECTIONS ARE PENNED UP ADN BOTH PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE CONNECTIONS WHEN PROPERTY'S REDEVELOPMENT REDEVELOP AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED. A FEW OF THOSE THAT AREN'T ON THE CITY SITES OF BOTH TO THE SOUTH. AND IN THE AREA SO. THE PROPOSED LAND USE CHANGES FOR THE AREA WERE KEY TOPIC OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD A SMALL GROUP WORKSHOPS EARLIER THIS YEAR AND WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT CHANGES TO THE AREA MORE.WE DIDN'T HEAR A LOT FROM FOLKS THAT THEY WANT TO SEE MORE THREE TWO THREE STORY OFFICE BUILDINGS IN THAT AREA ESPECIALLY IN THE PLACES THAT ARE. AROUND CURRENTLY TRANSITIONAL BUSINESS OR EVEN THE COMMUNITY BUSINESS. THEY'D LIKE TO SEE CHANGES THAT EVEN IF THEY EVEN IF THERE ARE NON RESIDENTIAL USES SOME OF THOSE MEDICAL USES THAT ARE THERE TODAY TO BE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. WITHOUT HOUSING ABOVE AND SO THAT GIVES THAT SOME OF THE REASON WHY WE'RE SUGGESTING THOSE MIXED MIXED USE LAND USE CHANGES. IT MAY AGAIN IT MAY NOT RESULT IN JOHN ZONING CHANGES BUT IT SIGNALS COMMON INTENTION ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IN THE FUTURE.SHOULD THOSE PROPERTIES COME IN FOR REDEVELOPMENT.THE SECOND

[111:10] THING I WANTED TO JUST CLARIFY IS AROUND THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AND THE ENGAGEMENT. WE HEARD A LOT LAST NIGHT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE ENGAGEMENT AND THE COMMUTE COMMUNICATION ABOUT THE PROJECT AND CLEARLY. MANY PEOPLE FEEL THAT THEY WERE NOT HEARD. OR DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON THIS PRODUCT THIS UM THIS PLAN THE PLANNING PROCESS OR THAT THE FEEDBACK THAT THEY PROVIDED WAS NOT REFLECTED IN THE PLAN. AND WHAT I WANTED TO JUST REITERATE IS THAT AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE DRAFT PLAN WERE REALLY BASED ON. THE DIRECTION FROM THE VISION PLAN THE DIRECTION THAT WE'VE HAD FROM AUBURN COUNCIL AND PLANNING BOARD ALONG THE PROCESS FROM OUR ADOPTED POLICY DECISIONS DECISIONS.AND FROM THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK THAT WE HAVE HEARD ALONG THE WAY SUB SCENARIOS TO THE TOP AREA PLANNING PROCESS REALLY EVOLVED.I MEAN WHAT WE BUT

[112:06] YOU SEE BEFORE YOU HAS EVOLVED ALONG THE SOUTH OF THIS LAST YEAR. AND WHAT THEY THINK THAT THE FLOOD MITIGATION THE VARIATIONS IN THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL USES THE GROUND FLOOR USES KEY ELEMENTS OF THE URBAN DESIGN PLAN. AROUND A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE GROUND FLOOR ACTIVITY BUILDING CHARACTER ROOF TYPES AND MUCH OF THE CONNECTIONS PLAN WERE IN DIRECT RESPONSE TO COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME DIFFICULTY IN COMMUNICATING THE RATIONALE FOR THE PLANET EXACTLY WHAT'S IN IT AND OF COURSE THAT SOMETHING WE CAN DO BETTER BUT. I JUST YOU KNOW FOR THOSE FOR YOU AND FOR THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WATCHING CALM THEY WERE HEARD.WE DID LESSON WE HAD TO BALANCE A LOT OF DIFFERENT PIECES FROM THE PLAN IS TO JUMP IN HERE YOU GO AHEAD.I

[113:01] GUESS WHAT I WANT TO TAKE STEPS. YOU HAVE DONE IN A VERY IN DEPTH PROCESS IT HAS SPANNED MULTIPLE YEARS AND I KNOW WE HEARD FROM SOME PEOPLE THAT IT WAS RUSH. THAT IS NOT THE CASE AND ON THE CONTRARY WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING WHY IS THIS TAKING SO LONG INSIDE THIS ONE UP CALL THAT I KNOW THAT. THERE'S ALWAYS A SEGMENT OF POPULATION THAT. BECOMES AWARE OF AN ISSUE. IN THE ELEVENTH HOUR AND THAT WAS STILL SHOCKING AND JARRING AND MIGHT WAIT A MINUTE. MA'AM BUT ACTUALLY THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH YOU CAN DO BY PUTTING IN THE PAPER IN THE NEWSLETTER AND ON THE EMAILS. AND NEWSLETTERS TO SIGN UP AND THERE'S OPEN HOUSES SO I GUESS I DO WANT TO SAY THE STAFF HE DID A GREAT JOB IN. PROVIDING LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR FOLKS TO COME SPEAK AND I JUST WANTED TO TO TO SAY THAT PUBLICLY. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT PEOPLE LIKE WORK AND AT THE OTHER END AND THAT'S AND THAT'S FINE BUT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GOOD PROCESS.I WANTED TO GO AHEAD

[114:08] AND I WANTED TO DO THAT AND JEAN M. YOU'VE BEEN LIKE INSTRUMENTAL IN THE PARTICIPATION IN GROUP PLAY AND INTERACT NINETY FOR THAT NIGHT I RECOGNIZE THAT YOU HAVE. AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF YOUR HEART AND BRING ME INTO DOING AN EFFECTIVE PROCESS SO I DO THINK YOU'VE DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB AND SO HAS TO ASSIST AN. IDEA I WOULD NEVER RECOGNIZE HIM BECAUSE I JUST KNOW YOUR HEART IS IN GOOD PARTICIPATION AND SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU.I ALSO THOUGH I THINK ERM. AND THIS IS JUST ECONOMY THAT

[115:00] PEOPLE HAVE BEEN REALLY FOCUSED ON THE SITE PLAN AND THAT THE ADDITIONAL I'M WORKING NIGHT AND THIS IS ONE ASK YOU THIS QUESTION. IN TERMS OF THE AREA PLAN.YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW WE HAVE PROPOSED TO REAPPLY AND FROM A PERSON I GUESS MY QUESTION IS COULD WE IMPROVE OPTIONS ON THAT AREA PLANNED A LITTLE MORE. THE THING I THINK THERE HAS BEEN. LIKE THIS OVERDUE OVER AND MAYBE IT'S NOT OVER BUT UNIT IS HUGE FOCUS ON THE SITE PLAN AND THEN NOT A LOT OF CONSIDERATION ABOUT THE PERIPHERY. IN THE AREA OF TANNIN I THINK IN SOME WAYS. BECAUSE WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT NUMBER OF UNITS AND THINGS LIKE THEY'RE ON THE SITE AND THEN. SAY WELL IF WE IMPLEMENTED THE AREA PLAN AND WE WOULD ADD ALL AT THE EAST EXTRA UNITS AND THEN IT'S GOTTEN KIND OF CONFUSE

[116:00] CONSENT ISN'T. CONFUSED AND YOU KNOW AND FOR PEOPLE SAYING WELL THERE'S GOING TO BE SIX HUNDRED UNITS UNDER. YOU KNOW OR EIGHT HUNDRED NINE HUNDRED UNITS ON THE SITE PLAN AND THAT'S JUST NOT THE CASE NOR HAS IT EVER BEEN THE CASE. BUT THERE'S STILL SEEMS TO BE SOME CONFUSION IN TERMS OF NUMBER OF POTENTIAL UNITS IN WHAT COULD HAPPEN AND I THINK ERM. WHILE IN OUR IN OUR PLAN EVEN WITH THE SHOPPING CENTER. THAT USES SERVER PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THE ZONING YOU KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT YESTERDAY IN AND THE REST MAY BE SOME CONFUSION SO I'M JUST WONDERING. UM IF IF WE SEPARATED THE AREA PLAN FROM THE SITE PLAN.I AM ASKING YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION IN TERMS OF COULD THAT ALLAY PEOPLE'S CONCERNS SOME IN TERMS OF THEIR DEGREE OF PARTICIPATION IN AREA PLAY.I THINK THAT IT'S BEEN HARD IN THE CONVERSATIONS.IT'S REALLY

[117:11] DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO IMAGINE CHANGE. ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND PLACES THAT THEY THINK THAT HAVE BEEN STABLE FOR A LONG TIME. AND WHERE THERE'S A NIGHT OF OUR PERCEIVED IMMEDIATE NEED FOR REDEVELOPMENT SO I THINK THAT'S JUST A DIFFICULT CONCEPT SOMETIMES FOR PEOPLE TO IMAGINE.AND THEN WHEN THERE IS A APPLICATION AND THEY'RE LIKE OH I SEE THIS THIS COULD BE CHANGING SO I THINK THAT'S UM SOME OF THE OPTIONS THAT CHRIS LAID OUT AROUND THE NIGHT.I THINK THAT THEY'RE A LOT OF RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE AREA PLAN FOR THE CONNECTIONS PLAN FOR URBAN DESIGN. THAT COULD APPLY ACROSS THE BOARD. IF WE CHOOSE NOT TO MAKE LAND USE CHANGES IN SOME OF THE AREAS AROUND THE SITE. AND THINK

[118:03] ABOUT THOSE OUT OF AT A FUTURE DATE IF THAT FEELS MORE COMFORTABLE. THAT I COULD WORK BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO LOSE THE WIDER CONNECTIONS TO PLAN OR THE URBAN DESIGN ELEMENTS OF WHOM THINK YOU ACTUALLY ABLE TO KEEP GOING.AARON SAM CINDY MARY AND I'M SORRY FOR INTERRUPTING YOU.WE'RE YOUR HOUSE ONE LAST YEAR LIKE TWO MORE SUNSETS ABLE TO SPOT I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE DID RE RECEIVED SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY FROM A COMMUNITY MEMBER TODAY.THE FOX COULDN'T BE WITH US TONIGHT SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO WORK ON RESPONSES TO THOSE IN FROM THOSE OUT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS. AND THEN OUR THOUGHT FOR A KIND OF FLOW FOR THE EVENING WOULD BE FIRST TALK ABOUT THE PAVILION THEN WE CAN DIVE INTO THE AREA PLAN ITSELF. DOES THAT NEGATE THE PEOPLE THAT JUST TO THINK WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO DO A RUN.OK AARON SIMPSON TO MARRY. HIM BY ONE ECHO THE APPRECIATION FOR THE WORK

[119:00] THAT YOU'LL HAVE DONE AND JEANNE YOU IN PARTICULAR YOU'VE BEEN WORKING IN THE HOSPITAL SITE SINCE. FIFTEEN TWENTY SIXTEEN TO WHERE I WAS NOT DIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH THE VISION PLAN PROCESS BUT. STARTED WITH WHEN WE WHEN WE CHECKED IN WITH COUNCIL LAST JANUARY WHEN CHEWING SOME EARLY MEETINGS RIGHT AFTER THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED BY ME.I'M MAKING THIS UP.OKAY NEVERMIND SHE PROBABLY FEELS EVEN INVOLVE TAKING A MAY ZERO ONE MOSTLY OF WORK FOR A WHILE.HAIX I SAW U ALL THE TIME HE'S IN THERE WITH THAT SAID I THOUGHT YOU ALL DID AMAZING WORK YOU CAN.WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE DETAILS OF THE AREA PLAN CONTENT BUT IT WAS EXTREMELY WELL DONE ONE THING I WOULD ASK ABOUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. HOW THE POCKET SLING OUT POTENTIAL FUTURE DIRECTION RIGHT THROUGH THE LAND USE CHANGES AND WHAT IT'S DOING THAT IS TO EMPHASIZE HOUSING MORE RE TRACKED AND I GUESS I'M. ONE OF THE INNER THERE WERE THOSE SLIDES MENTIONED

[120:00] LIKE HOW MANY. POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT MIGHT BE BUT THE CHANGES THAT WERE CONTEMPLATED IN THE ZONING WOULD ALSO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF OFFICES THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED ARE LIKELY AS WELL WITH THEM.WELL IF IF SOME OF THE EXISTING NON RESIDENTIAL USES CONVERTED TO HOUSING THAT WOULD BE A NET REDUCTION IN. NON RESIDENTIAL USES JOBS IF. YOU KNOW THERE ARE THERE SOME OF THOSE SOME OF THE CURRENT NON RESIDENTIAL USES ARE ON PRETTY UNDERUTILIZED PARCELS SO ESPECIALLY FOR UKE MIXED USE. IT MIGHT SOME OF THOSE USES OR A SIMILAR USE OR REPLACEMENT TYPE OF NON RESIDENTIAL USE MAY STAY WITH THE ADDITION OF PAST RIGHT.I GUESS BUT THE CURRENT ZONING A LOT OF CASES LIKE TRANSITIONAL BUSINESS FOR EXAMPLE WOULD ALLOW FOR A FAIR AMOUNT OF OFFICE YOU STRAIGHT. TO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT THAT CONTEMPLATED ZONING WOULD RESULT PROBABLY IN A NET REDUCTION OF THE ALLOWED NUMBER OF JOBS IF WE. THINK IT WAS JUST

[121:02] MENTALLY HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN PART OF THE CONVERSATION PEOPLE JUST DON'T KNOW HOW MANY NEW RESIDENTIAL USER MIGHT BE WILL THERE ALSO WOULD BE FEWER ALLOWED. AN OFFICE JOB WHICH AS ONE OF THE THINGS THE COUNCIL'S INTERESTED IN THE COUNTRY IN THE NFC WITH IT ANYWAY.OK SAM DEKKER FOR EXTRA STAFF.I MEAN THIS AREA PLANS ARE REALLY WELL DONE DOCUMENTARY CLEAR. AND SOBERING TALK ABOUT THE DETAILS LATER BUT IT WAS A REALLY FINE WORK PRODUCT. AND I THINK YOU KNOW SITTING HERE THINKING LAST NIGHT AS ROOFS OF MARCH PEOPLE WHAT MUST IT BE LIKE TO BE A CITY PLANNER. BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE A CITY COUNCIL PERSON. YOU PUT YOUR WORK PRODUCT OUT THERE AND PEOPLE. COME PICK IT APART AND BECOME PICKING APART A LOT OF TIMES BECAUSE OF MISCONCEPTIONS LIKE MISCONCEPTIONS AND HOW LAND USE. RELATES TO ZONING MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT WHAT AN AREA PLAN DOES AND DOES HE SEE PICTURES IN HERE.THINK OF

[122:02] EVERYTHING CHANGING COLOR WARMTH STRAIGHT INTO BEING SOMETHING AND IT'S VERY. NIGHTMARISH FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE BUT THE TRUTH IS OF CHANGES OVER TIME AND PEOPLE TRY TO HIGHLIGHT THAT LAST NIGHT. I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH A BUSINESS OWNER AND A RESIDENT OF NEARBY NEIGHBOR TODAY. AND TO THE MISCONCEPTIONS ARE ENORMOUS. AND I THINK SOME OF THAT IS JUST PLAIN OL' MISCONCEPTION I THINK THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT STIR THE POT A LITTLE BIT. SO IT'S YOU KNOW I COMMEND YOU FOR TAKING THAT IN STRIDE AND FOR THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE COMMUNITY UNITS A PROCESS THAT WE HAVE TO GET THROUGH. AND YOU KNOW YOUR WORK PRODUCT WAS GOOD I THINK IN. THE THING THAT PEOPLE REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED TO STRIVE TO DO A BETTER JOB BUT THIS IS THAT THERE'S A PIECE OF THIS THAT WE OWN. AND WE CONTROL AND YOU KNOW PSYCH AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT GOES THERE WITH HIS FORMS GOING TO BE AND HOW MANY THERE ARE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.MRS. WIDER

[123:10] STUFF THAT WE'RE. WAITING TO TURN US BUT THAT'S ALL PRIVATE PROPERTY. AND SO WHEN I HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH THESE FOLKS AND THEY'RE LIKE OH YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE ALL THIS NOT OBVIOUS LIKE THIS COULD ALL HAPPEN. WHATEVER WE DO IF WE DON'T PUT AN AREA PLAN IN PLACE AND KIND OF GUY DIDN'T PUT LIMITS.THEN HE COULD JUST COME IN ARIZONA NOW AND PEOPLE CAN MAKE THIS CHANGE NOW AND I GAVE HIM SOME ILLUSTRATIVE EXAMPLES OF WHERE PEOPLE COULD. GET A SHOPPING CENTER PUT IN HOUSING AS THINGS SIT RIGHT NOW. MY RIGHT HAND THAT CONCEPT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COMMUNICATE AS MUCH AS WE CAN IN THESE OPEN HOUSES. TO THE COMMUNITY SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND A RE RE CONTROL THIS WEEKEND TO SET GROUND RULES OUT HERE AND THERE ARE TO SET. AND WE HAVE THESE OTHER PROJECTS TO TRY AND ADJUST THE GROUND RULES SO WE

[124:00] GET WHAT WE WANT LIKE TO USE TABOR OF YOU. PEOPLE'S MINDS JUST BLOW UP AND SAY THAT. BUT IF IT'S TO COMMUNICATE THAT THIS IS A VISIONING EXERCISE MOSTLY AND THAT MIGHT BE SOME CHANGES BUT THOSE CHANGES MIGHT TIGHTEN UP. THE US'S MIGHT MAKE A MORE CRAFTED TO WHAT WE WANT SO I REALLY THINK THAT THE PLANNING PROCESS ITSELF SCARES PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY SEE THESE PLANS.I THINK IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ALL AT ONCE WHERE THINGS MIGHT HAPPEN PRETTY QUICKLY RELATIVELY SPEAKING HOSPITAL SITE BUT THEY WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAPPEN AROUND. LAST THING I'LL SAY IS AS PART OF THIS IT HAS BECOME CLEAR TO ME THAT WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT THOSE SHOPPING NODES AND WE ASKED YOU. TO BRING THIS AND THE PLAN STARTED WAY BACK WHEN I WAS JUST THE SITE PLAN. AND WE CAN AND WE ASKED FOR AN EXPANDED SCOPE OF THE ERIE PLANT BECAUSE IT

[125:00] INVOLVES THOSE SHOPPING CENTERS AND THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. COUNCIL THAT WE ARE THE ONES WHO DIRECTED YOU TO LOOK BROADLY SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THE INTERACTIONS. SIR THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK AND FOR GETTING THROUGH LAST NIGHT CINDY MAY I JUST MISSED THE ECHO CHAMBERS SAID APPEAR.I ALSO WANTED TO THANK STEPH FOR THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE.IT IS A TREMENDOUS EFFORT AND MY INTEREST NOW IS SEEING THAT THIS SLEEPING COMMUNITY HAS AWAKENED.HOW DO WE ENGAGE DEBT SO THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY THIS MEANINGFUL COMMUNICATION BACK AND FORTH AND SO PEOPLE CAN FEEL LIKE THEY OWN PART OF WHAT IS HAPPENING. AND TO ME THAT'S THE ENGAGEMENT PARTY THAT IT SEEMS IT TOOK THIS LONG TO SORT OF RATTLE THE RATTLE THE FOIL AND THEN WAKE FOLKS UP BUT. I THINK THERE'S A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY HERE. AND THAT

[126:04] THERE HAS BEEN BUYING FROM DIFFERENT PERSONS IN DIFFERENT PARTS AND BE GREAT IF PEOPLE COULD COME TOGETHER. SO THAT THEY'RE HAPPY WITH WHAT'S ON THE GROUND AS WELL GOING FORWARD NOW IS FOR US GOING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR GOOD AND DILIGENT HARD WORK SHE LIKED HIS OPENING REMARKS AFTER MARY.EVERYBODY'S ON THE VALUE OF A BUTTON TO GO TO THE CASE I DON'T HAVE A LOT.ADD TO THE GRATITUDE AND FOUR FOR THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE HERE BUT I DO WANT TO ADD THAT. I WE GOT INVOLVED IN CITY POLITICS TO SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR IS THIS IT WAS THAT THE WASHINGTON SCHOOL REDEVELOPMENT AND THAT WAS ABOUT TWELVE YEARS AGO. A LOT HAS CHANGED IN TWELVE YEARS WE NOW HAVE A VERY DEFINED COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS.

[127:11] IT WAS VERY DIFFERENT BACK THEN AND HOME LATE LAST NIGHT AS I WAS LISTENING TO THE TESTIMONIES I KEPT THINKING BACK ABOUT THAT PERIOD AND HOW. OVERWHELMING TRAIN UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT WAS GOING ON WAS AND MOM AND SO I HAVE THAT EMPATHY FOR HIM FOR A LOT OF FOLKS THAT CAME OUT LAST NIGHT WHO UM. IT'S SOMETHING BRAND NEW AND IT'S WHERE YOU LIVE AND IT'S IT'S KIND OF NUANCED AND TOM AND I JUST WANNA SAY THAT. AS IT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID HERE IS THAT THIS IS A LONG TERM VISION. AND IT SAYS AND ONE OF THE REASONS I REMEMBER WHEN WE GAVE STAFF DIRECTION TO. LOOK OUTSIDE OF THE SITE ON THOSE TWO REASONS THAT I FELT WE SHOULD ONE WAS I REMEMBERED THE JUNIOR ACADEMY AREA PLAN WHICH MISTAKENLY DID NOT INCLUDE

[128:00] THE HOSPITAL. AND WE PAID FOR THAT DEARLY SO I DIDN'T WANT THAT HAPPENED WITH THE SHOPPING CENTERS AND AND I FORGOT THE OTHER POINTLESS BUT OUT OF A DO A LOT HAS CHANGED.THERE'S A LOT OF PROCESS THAT WHEN ON WEEKDAY. I JUST DIDN'T GO ALONG WITH SOMETHING IN THE PREVIOUS ITEM BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF PROCESS AND THAT WASN'T THE CASE HERE.I THINK WE DID HAVE EXTENSIVE. OUTREACH YOU LOOK AT THE LIST OF ALL THE EVENTS YOU LOOK AT THE HIGH NAME THAT WENT INTO IT AND YOU CONSIDER THAT WE BOUGHT THE SITE IN TWENTY FIFTEEN.SO MOM THANK YOU AND I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT UP.MY THANKS AS WELL.PRICKLY FOR COMING AND WE ALL CAME OUT ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON MEETING HAVE TO DO THAT BUT IT DIDN'T WAS WHEN BORED I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY GREAT MEETING ONE OF THE MERGER SAID.I MEAN THE FACT THAT YOU WORK HARD AND DID A GREAT JOB.THE FACT THAT PEOPLE ARE.

[129:09] FRUSTRATED OR CONFUSED OR SCARED OR NOT LISA SOUZA IN OTHER WORDS PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO BE FRUSTRATED SCARED AND CONFUSED EVEN NO MATTER HOW BIG A JOB IS BECAUSE PEOPLE. GET IN A DIFFERENT I'M SO CONFUSED. HOST BATHTUB LAST NIGHT STILL BUT LAND USE HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR FOUR YEARS AND SO. UM I THINK YOU KNOW WE CAN EVER DO TOO MUCH COMMUNICATION US A GREAT JOB THAT I THINK AS WE GO FORWARD HERE TONIGHT AND OVER THE COMING WEEKS OR MONTHS. THE FACT THAT WE MIGHT NARROW I LIKE A TRIANGLE CRIST TO IT BUT THE FACT WE MIGHT NARROW THINGS IN THE SHORT TERM DOESN'T MEAN THAT ALL THE OTHER WORK. HAS BEEN DEVELOPED IS WASTED.I THINK THIS MAY JUST BE MORE BUFFETS AN EXERCISE WE SAY. WE HAD TO DO THIS AND WE COULDN'T JUST A SITE PLAN FOR IT BECAUSE YOU KNOW WE DEPART KNOW THAT SUPPORT NEXT OR DO WE NEED PORTIONS OF THOSE COURSES TO POLICE.SO WE HAD TO DO SOME CONTACTS AND I THINK ALL OF THAT WERE RUN TRANSPORTATION AND DESIGN IN HEIGHT AND WHAT'S IN THE AREA WAS ALR

[130:00] IMPORTANT WORK TO DO.WE MADE NOW ARE SET OUT IN PHASES AND FOCUS MORE ON SITE. THAT DOESN'T MEAN ALL THE REST THAT WORK IS WASTED AS I THINK WE WILL COME BACK TO THAT WE COME BACK TO OUR COMEBACK TO THAT. IN THE YEAR TWO YEARS I THINK THAT'S ALSO VERY VERY VALUABLE INFORMATION CHANGES ARE FOR PEOPLE. AND WE BIT OFF A LOT HERE BUT AWFUL LOT MAYBE IN RETROSPECT WE SHOULD'VE APPROACHED DIFFERENTLY THAT'S OUR FAULT WE DID WHAT WE ASK YOU DO. UM BUT BUT WE ARE WE ARE AND WE'VE GOT GREAT INFORMATION WE'VE GOT SOME PEOPLE'S ATTENTION. AND ELLIS CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT IS MANAGEABLE FOR BOTH STAFF AND COUNSELING FOR THE COMMUNITY AND MAKE CHANGES AND THE WAY THAT MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE GET BEHIND.OK PAVILION WITH A SLOW START GETTING INTO THE MEAT OF THE UM. THE QUESTION THAT WE HAD PUT ON THE AGENDA WAS GIVEN

[131:00] FEEDBACK ABOUT THE PAVILION AND REALLY I THINK WHAT REALLY THE KEY QUESTION IS IS ABOUT.SHOULD CITY SERVICES BE LOCATED ALPINE BALL SOME. THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY NEED.I THINK TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THE PULSE OF COUNSEL ON RELATED TO THAT REALLY KEY QUESTION. BECAUSE THAT'LL HELP INFORM THAN WHAT WE DO IN THE AREA PLAN SO. THERE MAY STILL BE SOME OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS RELATED TO THAT BUT I THINK IF THERE COULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF DIALOGUE ON JUST A CONCEPT. THAT WILL HELP US INFORMED AND ANY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE AREA PLAN.OKAY NOT TO SAY WE JUST DID A BUNCH OF SPEECHES AWESOME WE CAN DO THAT AT THE END OF THE NIGHT BUT WITH THIS. WEEK'S FOCUS SO MAYBE PEOPLE WANT A TOPIC YOU WOULD YOU SAY YES OR NO.WE HAVE TO GO.I MEAN YES THE SIMPLE QUESTION WHICH IS A YES OR NO MA'AM OKAY JUST A SIMPLE OK. AT THAT BUT WE COULD DO IS STRUT STRUT CHECK IN TO SAY MOST PEOPLE BUT THE ARM ON THAT LIST TODAY.MOST PEOPLE THINK WE WANT CITY SERVICES AT THE BILLION TO THREE

[132:00] DIFFERENT QUESTION.WELL START THEREI'M SURE IS IT THE THUMBS UP IF MOST PEOPLE ARE THERE ONE THERE YET THREE AND MOSTLY THE MOSTLY DEAD ARE SOME CAVEATS.OK YOU GUYS ARE NOT THERE AT ALL AGES WITH CAVEATS HELPFUL TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT IT WILL TAKE TO GET US MORE PRODUCTIVE FOR THE SUFFERING ITSELF GETS GOOD.I MEAN STAR START.YES ALL THE WAY THERE I THINK OR CONSOLIDATION OF CITY SERVICES WHICH ARE HAVE LOTS OF ADVANTAGES SO GOOD TO GO. AND I'M THERE FOR A FOURTH FLOOR WILL WANT TO UNDERSTAND DETAILS ABOUT HOW THAT WILL BE USED AND SO I THINK TO BOB'S POINT. DETAILS TO CONSIDER SO WE CAN START WITH YES BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A SPIDER YES AND AND SORROW.

[133:03] YOU KNOW FOR I THINK THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION THE BOBS ABOUT TO. ASK IS DO RELEASED IN THE TWO MILLION DOLLARS TO. LEARN YOU KNOW ABOUT THE NEXT DAY'S PLAN AND ABOUT WHAT'S POSSIBLE THERE AND ABOUT WHAT SOME LAYOUTS ARE SO I'M GOOD TO GO. TO THAT PHASE FOR SURE AND UNDERSTAND AND I DOWAN CONSOLIDATE CITY SERVICES ON THE SITE WAS THREE OR FOUR STORIES ARE FUN. TO SEE HIM JUST THIS OR THAT THE TWO MILLION DOLLARS IS TO. DETERMINE WHAT WE MIGHT PUT THERE BUT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE SUBSTANTIVE WORK THAT INVOLVED THAT'S BEEN IT TO MEAN IS THERE NOT COULD COULD YOU GUYS WHAT THAT. WOULD BE YES AND LET ME KNOW IF I'M NOT TOUCHING ON EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A SIT IN ON PROPOSED BUDGET THAT WILL BE COMING FORWARD.IT IS TWO MILLION DOLLARS TOWARDS THE DESIGN.SO WHAT THAT WOULD BE AS WE WOULD START TO COMMENCE DESIGN OF RENOVATING THE PAVILION BUILDING BY ONE WE GOT. RE SCANNED

[134:00] THE BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO HAVE TWO GIANT HOLES IN THE BACK OF IT FROM WHEN WE DECONSTRUCT THE REST OF THE HOSPITAL ON AND FINISH THAT. AND THE INTERIOR RENOVATION TO REALLY MAKE A PURPOSE BUILT BUILDING FOR A CUSTOMER SERVICE HUB ON AND SO WE WOULD START THAT WORK AND AS MICHELLE DESCRIBED LAST NIGHT.THAT'S PROBABLY A BIT.THAT'S LIKE A YEAR AFTER YEAR DESIGN PROCESS.OK SO I'MOY I TAKE YOUR NON DEGREE FROM AN UNDERTOW BUT I MIGHT EVENTUALLY BE TO UM I I THINK ABOUT THE HUGE UPGRADE OVER TWO MILLION DOLLARS I'M NOT FUSSED ABOUT THAT.BUT WHO IN A MOMENT HERE A CONSULTANCY SERVICE HE HAS MADE A VERY COMPELLING ARGUMENT FOR WHY CONSOLIDATION MAKES SENSE IN FOR WHEN YOU GET OF THESE BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN WHITE HOUSE ENERGY MIX.I'VE NOTICED THAT I HAVE A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION WHICH I'M TRYING TO GET THE ANSWER TO. WHICH IS PROPOSING TO PUT THOSE CONSULTING SERVICES AND NINETY THREE THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT BUILDING WILL COST US. ON THE COST SEVENTY MILLION DOLLARS SIXTY MILLION FOR THE BUILDING AND ALLOCATE TEN

[135:00] MILLION TO THE LAND AND EXISTING. FORTY MILLION FOR THE SITE BECAUSE THE RANGE OF EIGHT TO TWENTY TWO OTHERS CALL IT AND MAKE YOU SO SEVENTY MILLION DOLLARS IS IS UM CAN WE DO BETTER.YOU KNOW RENT VERSUS RENT VERSUS OWN I'M TALKING ABOUT. BUILD VERSUS BUY SO WE'RE GOING FOR ROUGHLY SEVENTY MILLION DOLLARS THAT LAND COST PLUS ANOTHER SIXTY NINE DOLLARS AND NINETY THREE THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THE QUESTION.PRETTY SIMPLE ONE WHICH IS IS AT THE RIGHT NUMBER BECAUSE. IF ALL THE OTHER NINETY THREE THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT BUILDING FOR COLLECTIONS OF BUILDINGS ARE ALL COST ABOUT SEVENTY MILLION DOLLARS SOUNDS LIKE JUST THE RIGHT ANSWER RIGHT. UM QUITE FRANKLY EVEN IF IT WAS A LITTLE BIT LESS PROBABLY STILL THINK IT'S THE RIGHT ANSWER BECAUSE THERE'S AN ADVANTAGE TO BE ON BROADWAY AND BE AN APPROXIMATE. SO I DON'T DISCOUNT THAT THERE'S SOME VALUE TO SOME BUT A NUMBER OF ITS VALUE TO IT.IF HOWEVER TURNS OUT THAT THE GOING RATE FOR NINETY THREE THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE SPACE TO OWN IT. IS LIKE FORTY MILLION DOLLARS THAT THIS WOULD BE REALLY REALLY BAD MISTAKE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE'S THREE MILLION DOLLARS IN VALUE IN BEING ON BROADWAY.THAT'S THE ONLY ONE

[136:02] LOOKING FOR HIS COPS WHAT IS NINETY THREE THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF OWNED OFFICE SPACE. IN BOULDER COLORADO GOING FOR AND IF YOU GUYS GIVE ME THAT AND SHOW ME THAT IT'S ABOUT SEVENTY MILLION DOLLARS ON THEIR. WAY WAY WAY FROM SEVEN DOLLARS AND I THINK WE NEED TO REVISIT DISCUSSION AND THAT SAME WEEK AND WEEKEND COPS PULLED OF RECENT SALES AND VALUES AND MARKET PRICES. I AM JUST SO AND ADD ON TO THAT I MEAN THIS A GREAT QUESTION ABOUT THE INTERESTING QUESTION BECAUSE SHE WANTED DISTINGUISH THE TIX AND IT'S NOT APPLES TO ORANGES.FOR EXAMPLE WE BE MAKING THE PAVILION BUILDING INEXORABLY RIGHT SO IF YOU BUY ONE IT'S NOT A MEAN OF ZERO TO THE BOX.EUNICE WHO EITHER HAVE TO SAY WHAT WE'VE LOST THAT. POSITIVE ASPECT OF THE BILLING FOR WE HAVE SPENT THIS MUCH TO GET A VACATION IS CUT THE APPLES APPLES SO. IF IF IF IF THE ALTERNATIVE BUILDING WAS NOT MET ZERO WHAT WOULD TAKE. PART IN EVERYTHING EVERYTHING YOU MAKE IT COMPARABLE ECONOMIC LOCATION COMPARABLE BUT

[137:00] EVERYTHING ELSE COMPARABLE WAS NOT ZERO AND ALL THE WONDERFUL THINGS. THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO IN PAVILION BUILDING WHAT IS EK GO FOR HYPOTHETICALLY IN BOULDER COLORADO AND BEGAN THE SMALLER THE DELTA THE MORE JUSTICES FROM EXPECTS US. TO SO I'M I'M IN BOB'S HOME CAMP HERE WANTING TO KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE. AND I STILL HAVE SOME HESITATION ABOUT PUTTING ALL OF CITY SERVICES ON THE WESTERN EDGE OF THE CITY WHEN THE CITY IS MOVING EAST. AND FOCUSING ALL OF THAT TRAFFIC AND THERE'S IMPACTS THERE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE WAYS TO GET AROUND. THEIR BASES THERE THIS IS THEIR DEBTS IN THE OTHER THINGS BUT NEVERTHELESS THERE'S STILL TRAFFIC AND A LOT OF IT.SO AN EGG THIS AND ALL OF THE COMMENTARY LAST NIGHT BUT IT IS A CONCERN WITH ME TO RESIDUAL CONCERN.

[138:04] THE QUALIFYING QUESTION WHICH IS TO THE STAFF. SEEMS TO ME THAT IMPLIED IN THAT WHAT WAS LAID OUT WAS AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE WE WOULD PROBABLY LOOK TO PUT ANOTHER HEAD OUT EAST FOR MORE CONSOLIDATION. THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT I READ INTO THAT GRAND SCHEME SO THAT IT WOULDN'T BE ALWAYS EVERYTHING. CONSULT ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN BUT RIGHT NOW THAT'S WHAT MOST PEOPLE LIVE AND WHAT WE OWN THIS OPPORTUNITY BUT I THINK. THAT OTHER PEOPLE RECOGNIZE WHAT YOU SAY WHICH IS THE FUTURE. WILL EVENTUALLY BE ARTY AND AS YOU LOOK AT THE MAPS ARE ALSO A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE SOUTH. OF THE CENTRAL AREA WERE SITTING READING THIS CROSSROADS HERE. AND IT TAKES PEOPLE AND PEOPLE MAY SAY A HECKUVA LONG TIME JUST TO GET TO WHERE WE'RE SITTING RIGHT HERE. DURING DIFFERENT TIMES OF TRAFFIC SHOW THOSE THINGS ARE ALL PART OF THAT CONSIDERATION. IN IN TERMS OF THE RESIDENTIAL KINDS OF

[139:00] ASPECTS AND HOW THAT CAN BE MOVING SO I WOULD AND BUILDINGS OF THE EAST. AGAIN THAT SHOULD BE PART OF IT SO THAT WE DON'T DEPENDING ON WHAT THE COSTS ARE HERE WE DON'T THINK ALL OF THESE COSTS HERE AND FIND OUT THAT. MAYBE FIFTY YEARS A HUNDRED YEARS WHAT I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING IN TERMS OF AN EASTERN HAVE. WILL BE ON MY LIFESPAN THAT'S FOR SURE BUT. I DON'T THINK THE DOORS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IT'S. PROBABLY BOTH AND AND IF IT IS FUZZY AND I MEAN THE CONCERN AGAIN THERE THIS A CITY TAX MONEY WERE TALKING ABOUT. THIS IS NOT NOBODY'S GIVING US THIS IS IN GRANT MONEY IS IT. SO THE QUESTION WAS ASKED WAS CAN YOU REMIND US WHAT PERCENTAGE OF CITY STAFF WOULD BE HERE WHO ARE GOOD QUESTIONS LIKE THIRTY PERCENT OR EIGHT THIRTY FIVE. LET ME DO THE MATH ON THAT REALLY QUICK AND CHECK SOME NUMBERS BUT ON TO ADDRESS THE EARLIER CONVERSATION AND

[140:00] WE DO ENVISION THAT THERE WILL BE MULTIPLE. HARVESTS OF CITY FACILITIES IN THE CITY IN THE FUTURE.I'M SO WEAK IGNORING KIND OF ARE DISPERSED FACILITIES REC CENTERS FIRE STATIONS. LIBRARIES THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. THERE IS THEIR CUSTOMER SERVICE FUNCTIONS SO THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE COME TO TO ENGAGE IN BUSINESS WITH THE CITY OR SERVICES FROM THE CITY. THAT'S WHERE WE ENVISION THAT THAT. THAT HAS A STRONGER TIES TO OUR HISTORIC CIVIC HEART TO BEING DOWNTOWN AND THE CONNECTION ALPINE POLLS. SHOW JUST TO FOLLOW THROUGH AND THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE WERE TALKING ABOUT REMOTE WERE TALKING ABOUT NOT USING NOT HAVING. OFFICES SPACES ET-CETERA SO IN TERMS OF IT SOMETHING THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT LAST NIGHT LISTENING IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO USE TECHNOLOGY MORE EFFICIENTLY.DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME KIND OF BUILT ENVIRONMENT THAT WE'VE ALWAYS HAD IN THE PAST AND I ALSO WONDERED IF WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY STAFF. WILL BE HOUSED IN THIS PAVILION AREA.HOW MANY

[141:00] HOW MUCH FOOT TRAFFIC WILL BE THERE.I MEAN HOW MUCH FOOT TRAFFIC COMES IN TO THOSE TWO BUILDINGS AND CENTER GREEN NOW. AND HOW MUCH WILL YOU BE EXPECTING THERE AND HOW CAN THOSE THINGS FOR EXAMPLE JUST UTILITY BILL BILLING. WHICH PEOPLE USE TO TRACK DOWN AND YOU KNOW GIVE THEIR CHECKS HERE ARE THEIR ENVELOPES OR OTHER PLACES NOW IT'S ALL DONE ONLINE. SO SO THERE ARE THOSE KINDS OF QUESTIONS AS WELL THAT GO INTO WHO IS WAREHOUSING IN WHAT WE'RE DOING AS A CITY. THAT ARE ALL REALLY GREAT QUESTIONS AND ARE AT THE EXACT SAME THINGS THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT TOO. THAT THE NATURE OF BUSINESS EVOLVES OVER TIME IN WHAT USED TO BE A VERY MUCH IN PERSON FACE TO FACE CONVERSATION IS BECOMING MORE ELECTRONIC FOR CERTAIN SERVICES NOT.NOT EVERY SERVICE THAT YOU WILL OBTAIN FROM THE CITY WILL BE VIRTUAL AND THE FUTURE THERE WILL

[142:00] ALWAYS BE A FACE TO FACE OR A HUMAN CONNECTION THAT WE WANT. THINK ABOUT EVEN JUST ENGAGEMENT. BOMB PART OF WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS THOSE FACE TO FACE CONVERSATION SO THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A PLACE FOR R US FOR PHYSICALITY LIKE PHYSICAL STRUCTURES. AND PHYSICAL LOCATION OF THE CITY FOR ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS YOU THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT'S WHAT MICHELLE TALKED ABOUT YESTERDAY.THE AMOUNT OF SPACE.WE BELIEVE CAN START TO SHRINK AS WE IMPROVE THOSE SERVICES AND IT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT MICHELLE AND I SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT IS. WITH THE RENOVATION THE PAVILION HOW YOU DESIGNED THAT BUILDING THIS SET OUT. TO ACHIEVE THOSE EXACT THINGS SO THAT YOU'RE NOT DESIGNING THE GIANT CUSTOMER SERVICE CENTER FOR ON THE MASSIVE TRAFFIC TO MAYBE WE HAVE TODAY AND THERE ARE THERE'S. THERE'S TIMES WHERE BETWEEN IN PERSON VISITS AND PHONE CALLS THERE'S OVER A HUNDRED CONTACTS A DAY IN THE PARK CENTRAL BUILDING ALONE. AND

[143:01] SO THAT THAT TRAFFIC ACTUALLY HAS BEEN STAYING PRETTY STEADY RECENTLY NOT DECREASING. BUT IN THE FUTURE IT WILL EVOLVE AND SO HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT OUR BUILDINGS ARE FLEXIBLE ENOUGH TO RESPOND TO THAT. VERSE IS RIGHT NOW THEY'RE VERY MUCH DESIGNED FOR. THE BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS OF WHEN THEY WERE BUILT IN THE SEVENTIES AND SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE WANT TO DO IN OUR FUTURE CITY FACILITIES IS DESIGNED THEM TO BE. THE FACILITIES OF THE FUTURE FOR THE EVOLUTION OF HOW WILL DELIVER GOVERNMENT SERVICES.THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE THOSE BACK OFFICE FUNCTIONS OF OUR AH OUR INTERNAL SERVICES THAT MAYBE DON'T HAVE A CUSTOMER FACE OR A STRONGER CUSTOMER FACE AND MAYBE. THOSE ARE GREAT PLACES OR GREAT SERVICES TO BE LOCATED MAYBE EAST WHERE TRANSIT OPTIONS AREN'T AS GOOD FOR OUR CUSTOMERS BECAUSE. ITS OK CUZ THEY DON'T NEED EM AND THEN THERE'S OBVIOUSLY ALL OF THE MICHELLE DESCRIBED THE LAND INTENSIVE USES SO THINGS LIKE OUR EQUIPMENT STORAGE.OUR MATERIAL STORAGE

[144:04] THOSE ARE PLACES THAT WE HAVE THAT FACILITY ALREADY IN THE EAST PART OF THE CITY'S MUNICIPAL SERVICE CENTER. ON AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THOSE SERVICES WILL CONTINUE TO LIVE IN THE FUTURE SO IT'S ABOUT MULTIPLE NODES.OK SO JUST TELLING A PARENT TO THESE QUESTIONS AND LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE AND GETTING A ANOTHER HUB. HOW TO USE CDS TO HER BF'S KIND OF INTERFACE AND WILL DO BEAD IMPLICATIONS OF SERVICES AND WERE TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE EVERYTHING BUT THEN YASSER AFTER THE RACE THAT. THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN MOVED FURTHER EAST SO THAT WILL NEED MULTIPLE HUBS HAD TO SEE THAT SECONDHAND INTERACTING WITH THIS HAVE. WHAT WE THE WAY WE'VE DESCRIBED IT AS THINK ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE TYPES OF SERVICES.SO WE'VE REFERRED TO ALPINE BOSS AND THAT'S THE CUSTOMER SERVICE JOB.SO

[145:05] HOW DO WE START TO THINK ABOUT WHAT ARE THEY WHAT ARE THE SERVICES AND THAT'S WHY MICHELLE PROVIDED THAT HANDOUT THAT HAD BEEN TO SERVICES AT THAT RIGHT THERE. HOW DO WE THINK ABOUT WATER ON CITY SERVICES WERE THINGS THAT PEOPLE COME IN FOR THE SAME MAY BE THE SAME BUSINESS TRIP.THINK ABOUT IF YOU'RE COMING FOR A BUILDING PERMIT AND A SALES TAX LICENSE.HOW DO YOU RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE TO COME DOWNTOWN AND THEN OUT TO BRENT AND THEN.SO HOW DO YOU START TO CONSOLIDATE THOSE SOME.SO IT'S REALLY ABOUT BEING THE LOGICAL IN THAT AND THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST STEPS OF THE FACILITIES MASTER PLAN. IS TO THINK ABOUT OUR SERVICES IS A WHOLE AND WHAT MAKES SENSE TO GO WHERE MOM SO THAT YOU AREN'T BOUNCING ALL OVER TOWN.I'M GOING TO JUMP IN JUST TWO BECAUSE I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH WHAT CHRIS SAID THIS HOME ON BROADWAY WOULD BE THE CUSTOMER SERVICE IS CUSTOMER INTERFACE AREA. OUT

[146:00] EAST IS WHERE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE OF THE SERVICES THAT WE DELIVER TO THE COMMUNITY AS OPPOSED TO THEM NEEDING TO COME TO US SO STREETS UTILITIES. PARKS MAINTENANCE WE ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF THOSE SERVICES OUT THERE BUT THAT'S WHERE THOSE WOULD BE.AND SO I FORESEE THAT FEWER RESIDENTS WOULD NEED TO GO TO THAT LOCATION BECAUSE THEIR NEEDS FOR WHAT BABY WHICH IS A PERMIT TO PAY THEIR UTILITY BILL WHATEVER THAT. THINGS LIKE THAT WOULD BE AT THIS BROADWAY LOCATION WHICH IS CLOSER TO WHERE THEY LEFT THAT HELPFUL THANK YOU. OK SO THOSE USEFUL DISCUSSION IS SOMEWHAT EXPECTED THE QUESTION WHICH IS ARE WE PREPARED TO PROCEED. WITH MOVING FORWARD TO SAYING YES WE WILL HAVE CITY'S FACILITIES IN THE PAVILLION YES YES YES YES AND I WITH RESERVATION THE RESERVATION BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS BUT THE COP.OK SO IF IN UNLESS IT LOOKS LIKE A

[147:00] REALLY BAD FINANCIAL COMPARISON.YES YES FOR YOU AND YOU STILL WANT THINGS OUT EAST.WELL I'M NOT OUT EAST I MEAN I JUST HAVE TO SAE YA RESERVATIONS.OK SORRY SERMON I GUESS WITH THE DESCRIPTION OF THINGS GROWING MORE OUT OF YEAST LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE TRANSIT VILLAGE AREA PHASE TWO.FOR EXAMPLESO THERE WILL BE STUFF GROW AT LEAST AND YOU COULD IMAGINE. THAT IF WE HAVE ONE CUSTOMER SERVICE JOB. AND THERE ARE PEOPLE COMING FROM FAR AWAY REPEATEDLY TO ACCESS THE CUSTOMER SERVICE OF YOU COULD PUT A SATELLITE OFFICE OF WHATEVER THE FUNCTION IS TO GETTING A LOT SO. YOU KNOW I ATE AS A BUSINESS PERSON AND THE HOMEOWNER HAD NEEDED PERMITS AND SEWING EITHER ME OR MY CONTRACTOR. GOVERNMENTS MAY DO BETTER IN PERSON.

[148:24] I MEAN BUT AGAIN LOOKING AT THE MAP YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE HUBBY IS WHERE MANY PEOPLE LIVE AND THEN LOOK AT THAT SOUTHEASTERN QUADRANT DOWN THERE. AND SEE WHAT THAT'S CLOSER TO THE CITY YARDS OUT THERE LATE SO I MEAN AGAIN DEPENDING ON ONE'S PERSPECTIVE ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE LIVE AND THE LOCATION OF THIS. WERE THE IDEAL SHOPPING CENTERS IT'S JUST A DIFFERENCE IN PERSPECTIVE. IF I JUST KNOW TONIGHT I GET THAT TOTALLY AND OBVIOUSLY THE EASTERN PART WOULD BE MORE CONVENIENT ON THE SOUTHEAST. THE TRANS IS

[149:02] NOT MERELY SKIM THE CITY OR TERROR NETWORK REMOTELY ESCAPE SEVEN THAT'S WHERE THE POWERFUL ADVANTAGES OF THE UP AND AWESOME SIGHT AS SOME. IS THE TRENDS OF ELDERLY AND I'D FORGOTTEN TO MAKE YOU WEAK UP THAT IS PART OF THE PROJECT.OK SO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE PAVILION.OK WE GET THERE AND AGAIN WE WOULD DECIDE ON THE THIRD TO FORCE SOMEONE TO COME.OK SO THE NEXT QUESTION IS ASKED THIS A GOOD QUESTION TO THE NEXT QUESTION IS NOW STARTING TO TALK ABOUT THE AREA PLAN ITSELF ORIGINALLY WERE BACK TO THAT. YEAH WHAT WE ORIGINALLY THINKING WE WERE GOING TO STRUCTURE THIS IS THE SAME WAY WE DID WITH THE PLANNING BOARD WHICH IS YOU REALLY WALK THROUGH THE PLAN COMPONENTS. ON BUT IT FEELS LIKE MAYBE THERE'S A FIRST A FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION WHICH GOES BACK TO THAT TRIANGLE IN. THE MEDIA AND MAYBE IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO START HERE AND THEN FROM THERE WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE WE SHOULD WHERE WE SHOULD GO IN TO HIS QUESTION CAN YOU DESCRIBE.UM I GET THE AREA PLAN.WHAT ARE YOU THINKING

[150:07] WHEN YOU SAY AREA PLAN WITH FEASTING TO SET. AREA PLAN WITH EASING WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID WITH THE TRANSIT VILLAGE AREA PLAN WHICH IS. PHASE ONE WHICH WAS BETWEEN THIRTIETH AND THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND THEN PHASE TWO WHICH IS THE RAILROAD TRACKS TO FOOTHILLS.PHASE TWO WE ADOPTED THE VISION FOR PHASE TWO. AS PART OF THE PLAN BACK IN TWO THOUSAND AND SEVEN. BUT WE HAVEN'T IMPLEMENTED THAT WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY LAND USE CHANGES WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY ZONING CHANGES. BECAUSE THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AREA PLAN SAYS YOU DON'T START PHASE TWO UNTIL YOU HAVE SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION OF PHASE ONE. AND WE HAVE A FUNDING PLAN IN PLACE FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS A PHASE TO ANOTHER TO PUT CRITERIA. UPON WHICH WE WOULD START TO EXPLORE THOSE CHANGES IN PHASE TWO SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO THINK OF WATER DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND APPROACHES BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT WE WERE HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY.SO THAT'S WHAT AREA PLAN WITH PHASING WOULD BE IS MAYBE THE CITY SIGHTS A'S WON ANY OF THE SURROUNDING AREA MAKE

[151:00] IT FACE TO MAKE THE CHANGES NOW.OK SO THAT'S THAT CREATE EXPLANATION.ERMIN PHASE TWO OF THE TRANSIT VILLAGE HAS THAT TERM COME FORWARD HAVE PEOPLE WITHIN THEIR FEES TO AREA HAS ANYBODY COME FORWARD AND TRIED TO DEVELOP. IN THERE AND HOW HAS SET DEVELOPMENT KIND OF CONTROL ARMED WITH WHAT HAS TO CONFRONT WITH THERE BEEN A COUPLE OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME FORWARD. BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T CHANGED THOUGH AND USES THE ZONING THEY NEED TO CONFORM TO THE EXISTING ZONING. AND SO THERE'VE BEEN SOME FOLKS THAT HAVE INQUIRED ABOUT WHAT CAN I DO WHAT THE AREA PLAN SAYS AND THE ANSWER IS NO NOT RIGHT NOW. ON YOU NEED TO WAIT ON THAT OR DO SOMETHING THAT MEETS THE EXISTING ZONING I THINK A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT IS ON INDOOR SOCCER FACILITY WHOA OKAY. THAT WAS DEVELOPED

[152:05] AFTER THE AREA PLAN BUT UNDER EXISTING ZONING. AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION IS THAT THE TRENTON VILLAGE IS SUCH A HUGE AREA AND THIS IS REALLY A TINY AREA SO UM. YOU KNOW SOMETIMES THEY STILL KNOW MAYBE WE COULD IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN BUT WE DIDN'T WE WENT FORWARD WITH THIS AREA PLANNED SO ANYWAY THAT. MIGHT BE ANOTHER OPTION THAT ACTUALLY JEAN AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT.AFTER WE PUT THIS TOGETHER WHICH IS WE CAN ALSO DO THE AREA PLAN.

[153:04] OK WE'RE ZEROING IN TO GET MARRIED AND KAREN AND SAM. SOLD LAST MONTH ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT TOM. THE FACING AND THANK YOU FOR THE RESPONSES RIGHT NOW AND DAVID SAID THAT THERE COULD BE A TIME COMPONENT IS THAT TIME COMPONENT ACCOMPLISHED VIA. THE CRITERIA LIKE SUCH AS WHAT WAS DONE IN THE TRANSIT VILLAGE OR CAN YOU JUST SAY TIME I THINK IT COULD BE EITHER YOU COULD SPECIFY A SPECIFIC TIME FIVE YEARS.DAY TEN YEARS OR YOU COULD MAKE A CRITERIA BASED WOULD BE MY MY THOUGHTS AND WELL IN IT.WHAT WOULD BE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.GOOD QUESTIONWELL I THINK THAT IN TERMS OF JUST. STARTING TO SIGNAL WHAT YOU WANTED TO CHANGE THAT THE CRITERIA

[154:00] BASED ONE JUST PRESENTS A BETTER SIGNAL TO THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF WHAT YOUR INTENTIONS ARE THERE. IN SO I GUESS WE COULD DO A LOT OF DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS HERE BUT IN TERMS OF PHASING THING JUST WHEN USING THE TRANSIT MILITARY PRISON AS AN EXAMPLE. FOR THAT ONE WE ADOPTED THE AREA PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE AREA LIGHTS WE FINISHED AREA PLAN FOR THE WHOLE AREA. BUT THEN ONLY IMPLEMENTED THE FIRST HALF AND THEN AT SOME POINT PROBABLY WILL IMPLEMENT THE SECOND HALF. SAID THAT TYPE OF PHASE IN WOULD MEAN ADOPTING THE ENTIRE AREA CLAN BUT ONLY IMPLEMENTING THE FIRST PART IN UNEMPLOYMENT IN THE SECOND PART. BUT ALTERNATIVELY WE COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH PLANS MORE CONSTRAINED OR MORE LIMITED RIGHT WITH IT. LIKE FOR EXAM THIS AN INTERESTING IDEA THAT YOU MENTION ABOUT AN AREA PLANNED ONLY DID LAND USE CHANGES FOR THE HOSPITAL SITE. BUT INCLUDE THE CONNECTION PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE AREA SO THAT WOULD BE ONE POSSIBILITY RIGHT.IT'S AN INTRIGUING IDEA.SAT THERE

[155:05] AND IT SEEMS LIKE. THE WHOLE POINT OF THE AREA PLAN IS TO COME UP WITH THE FICTION THAT WE AGREE ON AT WORK OR WITH COMMUNITY AND LAND ON THAT. SAINT'S IF WE WERE TO SAY COMPLETE THE SITE PLAN. THAT WE WOULD NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE THE REST OF IT DONE AND I THINK I GET SOMEONE TO TALK ABOUT THE COMMUNITY CONFUSION AGAIN. BECAUSE ONE THING I THINK WE HAVE THREE SUPER CRYSTAL CLEAR ABOUT IS JUST LIKE THE SOCCER FACILITY THAT CAME UP AND TRENDS ABILITY AREA PHASE TWO THINGS CAN STILL HAPPEN HERE RIGHT.WE'RE NOT CHANGING ZONING AND LAND USE AND I THINK WHAT PEOPLE ARE ON CERTAIN OF IS WHAT COULD HAPPEN NOW.I THINK THE THING THAT WHATEVER COULD HAPPEN NOW IS PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND I THINK. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN NOW IN DIFFERENT AREAS OUTSIDE OF BALSAM COULD BE THINGS THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE. BRIGHT AND URINE

[156:00] SAMPLE WOULD BE PRE DEVELOPMENT OF A COLONY PLAZA IN A WAY THAT WAS A SOFT HOUSING OR SOMETHING. CAN'T BE BECAUSE BC SO THAT EVERY KID ON THE GROUND FLOOR BEFORE REDEVELOPMENT OF IT ALL THE GREAT TRAIT FOR ANY KIND OF ANY KIND OF LIKE IT IS. SO I GUESS THE THING THAT WE HAVE TO COMMUNICATE AS REDUCE WHAT WE FACE IT. OR NOT IS WE HAVE TO COMMUNICATE. EVERY PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER HAS RIGHT TO DO SOMETHING RIGHT NOW. UNDER THE ZONING AREA AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE RUN INTO THE AREA PLAN WHICH MIGHT INCLUDE LAND USE CHANGES. IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE REALLY CHECKING IN WITH THE COMMUNITY AND OURSELVES THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET WHAT WE WANT OUT OF RE DEVELOPMENT THAT OCCURS. AND THE REASON THAT MOTIVATES THIS AREA PLAN IS TO NOT USE IN ORDER TO LET PEOPLE KNOW HEY THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO WEIGH IN ON THE LAND USE AND POTENTIALLY THE ZONING CHANGES.SO FOR ME I WOULD PREFER TO VIEW THE ENTIRE AREA PLAN WITH

[157:00] PHASING IN THE SENSE THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY PLAN LAND USE CHANGES. HOSPITAL SITE IN OTHER WORDS WE GET THE VISION IN PLACE WE DO RIGHT AND YOU'VE DONE A REALLY NICE JOB. WITH THE THAT TAKES TO LAND USE MODELS THE PROTOTYPES YOU PUT OUT THERE AND IT'S VERY HELPFUL THERE'S ILLUSTRATIONS THERE. SO I WOULD I WOULD BE OPEN TO TRYING TO DO THE WHOLE AREA PLAN FOCUS ON THE SITE PLAN FIRST TRY AND GET THIS I PLANNED ON AND KEEP CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY GOING.BUT THE PART OF THAT IT'S AN EDUCATION FOR THEM IS IN A PRODUCTIVE AREA PLAN.WE DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT CAN BE BUILT ARE NOT BUILT HERE BUT YOU MIGHT WANT US TO WRITE MIGHT WANT A LANDMARK. THE LOSSES FOR EXAMPLE AND SO I FEEL LIKE THOSE TOP TO. BE THAT ONE SHOULD BE FINE AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IF WE PROCEED THAT WE HAVE EVEN DECIDED BUT WE FOCUS ON THE SITE PLAN.

[158:06] GETTING IT DONE IN THE AREA PLAN WE MOVE FORWARD WRIST LESS. CONSTRAINED TIME LIKE THIS NEW COUNCIL'S GOING TO COME IN AND GAVE THEM WILL HAVE THEIR OWN PRIORITIES FOR THIS. SOMEONE USE A SITE PLAN JUST A CLARIFICATION YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CITY SITES IF YOU SAY YES.THE CITY SAT NOT SET UP THE SHIP ENTERED THE CITY SITE.I JUST WANT HIM TO PICK UP ON THAT IN THE CLEAR.THE DESIGNATION OF WHAT KIND OF PROTOTYPE SO WHERE ARE THE COUNTY WILL BE INVOLVES YOU KNOW BASICALLY ON THE CITY ON CITY OWNED OUR OFFSITE WE CONTROL NOTHING ELSE EXCEPT LAND USE ELSEWHERE.OK WE'RE GOING TO A NEW AND THEN COMING IN TONIGHT AND NINE TITLE.YOU KNOW ACTUALLY A CONCH GO HOME.I SHAKE BUT UM THINKING ABOUT IS TODAY AND IN

[159:00] LISTENING TO PEOPLE LAST NIGHT I E IAEA HEAD. PROPOSED IN MY OWN MIND THAT MAYBE WE GO FORWARD WITH THE AREA CLAIM THAT WE SEPARATE AND NOT CITY OWNED PROPERTY AND WE LIKE THE IDEA OF DOING A FEASTING. THE THING I LIKE THE REPLY AND SAY TO ME PLANT ALL THOSE THING SAYS THAT GIVES. FIRM THE COMMUNITY OF PREDICTABILITY IN TERMS OF WHAT THE FUTURE IS GOING TO BE AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A VISION FOR WHAT. IT IS AND IF THERE NEED TO BE TWEAKS OR OR SOMETHING SO I AGREE WITH SAM THAT. MAY BE FACING THIS SONG AND SPENDING A LITTLE MORE TIME WITH PEOPLE LOOKING AT AREAS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY.MAY IT MIGHT HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND.

[160:03] OH YOU KNOW DO WE WANT LIKE AND THIRTEENTH AND FALSE AND DO WE WANT MIXED USE EAST OF THIRTEENTH OR WOULD WE PREFER THAT TO BE HOUSED IN THE JUST AN EXAMPLE.UM SO OKAY WE HAVE THE ICE AT EAST THIRTEENTH AND BOB AND ERIN AND I AM A SCI FI HAVE AN AGREEMENT TO AGREE WITH LISA SALMON THE CITADEL DIFFERENTLY TESTED.I LIKE THE FOURTH LAYER DOWN THE SITE ONLY.I'D LIKE TO PARK THE AREA PLAN. YOU CAN CALL FEES IF YOU WANT BUT WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS I DON'T WANT TO DO AN AREA PLAN IN PARALLEL WITH THE SAME PLACE. I WANT TO SAY GREAT WORK PUT ON THE SHELF COME BACK TO ANYTHING THAT'S OUTSIDE THE SITE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.MAYBE IT'S WHEN WE DO THE MID TERM. REVIEW THAT WOULD SEEM TO BE THE SWEET LAND USE DESIGNATION THAT WOULD SEEM TO BE A GOOD TIME TO REVISIT THE GOOD WORK DONE SO I WASTED BUT. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A SITUATION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AREA PLANNED PHASING IN PARALLEL WITH THE SITE PLAN. AND CONTINUE

[161:01] TO CONFUSE PEOPLE BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IF THERE ARE SOME THINGS GENE THAT YOU REALLY REALLY NEED. TO ESPECIALLY FOR SITE PLAN LIKE DESIGN OR CONNECTIONS. WILL YOU LET US KNOW THAT OTHERS ARE THINGS THAT. GO BEYOND THE BOUNDARIES OF THE SITE AND DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO STOP THE BOUNDARIES OF THE SITES YOU LET US KNOW WHAT YOU REALLY HAVE TO HAVE DONE.I THINK I'D LIKE TO VERY CLEARLY IN NC TO THE COMMUNITY.THANK YOU FOR THAT FEEDBACK WILL FOCUS ON THE SITE.WE MAY TALK WITH SOME OF THE STUFF LATER.WE'RE NOT TO TALK ABOUT IT NOW WE'RE NOT EVEN SAY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WE'RE JUST GONNA FOCUS ON THE SITE AND GET THIS DONE AND SAVE THAT GOOD WORK FOR SOME FUTURE POINT. THAT'S A GUESS WHERE I MET MAYBE THAT'S WHAT GUYS SAY TO ME. IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I'M THINKING AND HERE'S THE ONLY REASON WHY IS THAT WE'VE GOT ALL THIS WORK DONE NOW AND I THINK REALLY FOR THE STUFF OUTSIDE.WE REALLY NEED TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE COMMUNITY I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE RIGHT.THE FOCUS NEEDS TO BE ON THE SITE ITSELF.I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ADDERALL.THAT'S KIND OF PURE

[162:03] WANT. TO KNOW THAT IT WOULD SHELVE INDEFINITELY. BECAUSE ALL THAT OTHER STUFF IS IMPORTANT AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WHAT WE HAVE THIS LAND USE AND ZONING IS WHAT PEOPLE REALLY WANT RIGHT THAT'S THAT'S MY QUESTION THERE IS SOMETHING GAL RITE.I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT INTEGRATES WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE AND SO I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT INDEFINITE I WAS TALKING ABOUT. LITERALLY FACING MORE WE FOCUS ON THE SIDE IN THE NEW COUNCIL COMES IN THEY CAN DECIDE IF THE COUNCIL SAYS PUT ON SHOW FOR FIVE YEARS.THAT'S THE ORBITER COUNCIL IF THE NEW COUNCIL SAYS WE'VE GOT THIS TIME WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO DIALOGUE WITH THE COMMUNITY TO SEE. IF WHAT'S THERE NOW IS WHAT THEY WANT AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK THOSE TWO CONVERSATIONS I HAD TODAY WERE REALLY ELIMINATE THE SMART INTELLIGENT INVOLVED PEOPLE WANT A BUSINESS OWNER AND CALMING AND WARM.A NEIGHBOR JUST DOWN THE STREET CAR NOW HARD AND WHEN I WAS EDUCATING THEM ABOUT OH YOU KNOW. THIS CAN

[163:01] GO IN NOW THIS JUST KIND OF A LIST OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN NOW FOR DEVELOPMENT THEY WERE KIND OF SHOCKED. AND WHEN I WAS STUCK IN THE BUSINESS OWNER ABOUT WE WOULD POTENTIALLY LIKE TO CONSTRAIN FORM. IN THE FUTURE REDEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE TO NOT ONLY PRESERVE WHAT'S HERE BUT MAKE SURE THAT YOU DON'T END UP WITH THE UNDERGROUND PART FOUR STORY APARTMENT BUILDING. THAT CONCEPT WAS JUST KIND OF MIND BLOWING TO HIM THAT THAT COULD HAPPEN NOW.SO ANYWAY I GUESS I WOULD WOULDN'T WANNA SLACK THIS SET BUT IT'S NEW COUNCIL'S DECISION.SO WHAT WERE YOUR HEAD AND SAY FOCUS ON THE SITE NOW AND CONTINUE DIALOGUE UNTIL. IT'S A QUESTION THAT THE QUESTION THE MOST THE DAY YESTERDAY AND THIS ONE IS THE MID TERM REVIEWS COULD LAPSE. SO MIDTERM OUT TO THE COMP PLAN WOULD BEGIN IN TWENTY TWENTY SO RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT A HEARING SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR. HOW

[164:03] DECEMBER TWENTY NINETEEN YET SO WE'LL MAKE A DIME. WHEN IT FEELS LIKE WE JUST FINISHED THE CAKE AND JULIE HAS A BUBBLY THERE AND THEN I'M GOING TO BRING HOME. FOR COMMENT WAS ALLOWED TO SEE OF IT AND SEE IF THIS IS A YES LET US AT LEAST. COME UP WITH THE PLAN THE HIGH LEVEL PLAN FOR THE CITY OWNED LAND AS PART OF THIS EFFORT. EVERYBODY'S THERE AND WHEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE SEEING THE LAND USE PLAN CORRECT.I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR WHATEVER THIS IS THE PLAN INCLUDES THE LAND IS ON THE AND DESPITE NO I DON'T WANNA I DON'T WANT. AN ICY PART OF THE CONFUSION LAST NIGHT WAS CONFUSING.THESE CHANGES WITH SITE PLANNING SO I DON'T KNOW FOR THE A CANNOT JUST BE HONEST WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE PLAYING BOARD.IT'S JUST A BIG JUMBLE THOSE WORDS

[165:00] MEAN ANYTHING SO CRASS MARY QUESTION ABOUT HER SUGGESTION SIR. BUT WOULD YOU WANT THE REZONING DONE AS PART OF THIS SO FOR THE PARTS THAT WILL BE ON THE CITY OWNED.YES I'M TALKING ABOUT IT'S A SIGHT POWER MAKES SENSE ONLY ON WE KNOW IT YET.I MEAN WE DEFINITELY NEED TO CHANGE THE PART OF IT.THE REASONS I STATED LAST NIGHT.SUGAR LAND USE AND ZONING. LAND USE IN THE ZONE AND USE ZONING IN AND DISCUSS A VISION. OF WHAT GOES IN THOSE POLY ARMS FOR THE CITY OWNED SITE. THAT WERE ON AGREEMENT THAT AT LEAST NEEDS TO BE IN THIS THING THAT WE'RE GOING TO ADOPT A MONTH WILL MOVE FROM KNOWN.OK HERE'S THE SECOND STATE IS. BECAUSE ZONING SEPARATE STEPS A DAY OR SO. BUT BUT WHEW WHO'D UP THE LAND USE AND THE VISION IN THIS STEP. AND THAT WOULD SIGNAL INTENTION THAT WE WOULD THEN MOVE ON TO AS THE NEXT STEP TO REZONE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THOSE. OK FOR THE CITY OWNED LAND AS A YES AND I AGREE WITH BOB. WE

[166:00] DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT GETTING INTO THE WEEKLY JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY FIND THE PEOPLE SEE ONLY RECEIVING YARDAGE ON TO THE NEXT LEVEL. NOW I KNOW NOTE KNOW JUST IT'S JUST THE LAND USE AND THEN ONCE THE FOLKS ON THE LAND.I WANT THE WHOLE AREA PLANNED AND IF WE'RE GOING TO FACE THIS IS MY THINKING BEFORE GOING TO FACE THEN WE PHASE THE CITY. SITE LAND USE FIRST AND WHEN YOU SAY. ONLY LAND USE WHAT ARE YOU LEAVING OUT OF THAT OR EVEN DO ANY RETELLING WE WOULDN'T DO THAT AND AS AARON SAID THAT'S A SEPARATE STATE FINAL AGREEMENT YET.OK THE LAST I HAD ONE OR ALL TONIGHT WITH CASEY SAYING YES.OK NOW I

[167:02] WOULD AND WE MOVE FORWARD IN THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY WITH THE LORD USES AND THEN WITH THE SONY. US WERE TALKING ABOUT HIM IS IS THAT IT'S JUST IT'S JUST TWO STEPS STEP ONE IS YOU DO THE AREA PLAN FOR JUST THE SITE. INCLUDES LAND USES AND THEN TO PROVE THAT AND THEN YOU START THE REZONING PROCESS WHICH HAS ITS OWN SET OF STEPS TO STAY BEYOND QUESTION.I BELIEVE I RECALL HAVING DONE LAND USE AND ZONING IN ONE STEP RATES YOU'VE GOT TO LAND USE AND ZONING. AND SO I THINK AARON MINDLESS OR REASON CAN. JUST AS CLOSE TO THEIR DIFFERENT APPROACHES TO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADOPTING THE PLAN YOUR TIME ADAPTING PHASE ONE OF THE PLAN WHICH ASSISTS THE SITE SO PLAN DOESN'T INCLUDE. THE CHANGING OF THE LAND USE AND THE RESOUNDING IT TO THE SUIT SAYING WE SHOULD DO THOSE THINGS. ARE GOING TO ADOPT A PLAN IT WILL SIT WILL DO WILL DO WHAT WE PLAN TO DO BUT THEN YOU HAVE SEPARATE STEP. ACTUALLY THE ARGUING SEMANTICS ARE GOING TO MAKE THE DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT

[168:00] WOULD HAPPEN IT'S JUST DIFFERENT FROM ACTUALLY OKAY BUT I DON'T THINK SO HUH.NOW I'M CONFUSEDTHEY ASK A QUESTION COULD WE CAN'T WE.I MEAN ONE OF THE THINGS I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS EXTENDING THAT COSTS IN ALL OF THIS STUFF AND UM I WOULD RATHER DO. THE LAND USE AND THE REZONING AT THE SAME TIME IS THAT POSSIBLE IS IN THE U S SO THAT SUE THE CITY OWNED STRUCTURE AND SO THE TYPICAL PROCESS WITH. AREA PLAN SENSE OF COMMUNITY PLANS FOR HIS VISION IS CREATED WITH THE AREA PLAN OR SUBCOMMITTEE PLANNED. AND THEN THE NEXT STEP ONCE THAT'S COMPLETED IT IS BUT YOU MOVE INTO ZONING THE PROPERTY IN KIND OF GETTING IT READY FOR DEVELOPMENT.THAT'S TYPICALLY WHEN SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME FORWARD IN THAT INSTANCE SOMETIMES WE HAVE HAD THE CITY PROACTIVELY REZONE IT RIGHT AWAY.ANOTHER OP ED

[169:00] IN OTHER TIMES WE HAVE. MADE THE DECISION THAT WE WANT PROPERTY OWNERS TO DO IT BUT THE CITY AND SITE YET SO WE ARE THE PREY ARE THE OWNER SO WHY COULDN'T WE. DO THAT LAND USE DESIGNATION THE PLANE TO LAND USES AND THE REZONING AT THE SAME TIME ON THE CITY OWNED SITE SO THAT WERE NOT. KIND OF DRAGGING IT OUT REGULARLY AND AL WERE LOOKING IN.I MEAN JUST TO GET THE REQUIRED REGARDING IT WITHOUT AT LEAST TWO YEARS SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE WE AGREE THAT'S WHAT WE DO. WHICH WE WOULD FIRST COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING BOARD TO ADOPT. AN AREA PLAN AND THAT'S PAINTING THE FUTURE VISION OF WHAT WE WANT THE PLACE TO BE IN IN THE AREA PLAN IS A MAP. THAT WE CALL A FUTURE LAND USE MAP BUT THAT. THAT'S THE PROTOTYPES THE NEXT ACTION THEN YOU WOULD TAKE IS THE ACTUAL CHANGES TO THE BOULDER VALLEY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND USE MAP. AND RE ZONING THE CITY

[170:03] OWNED SITE. AND YOU WOULD USE OUR ACTIONS SO NOW YOU OF YOU HAVE SAID. WE ARE TAKING THE FIRST REGULATORY IMPLEMENTATION STEP OF THE AREA PLAN WHICH IS FOR THE CITY OWNED SITE OR MY FAMILY TODAY.THERE ARE ANY CHANGES OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OWNED SITE THOSE WE WOULD NOT MAKE THOSE CHANGES SUIT KEEP EVERYTHING AS IS TODAY AND COULD REZONE WILL HAPPEN IN THIS FALL.YES IT COULD HAPPEN THIS FALL AND YOU WOULD DO IT AFTER YOU ADOPT THE PLAN AND THE BOULDER VALLEY COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE MAP CHANGE. COULD WORK COULD BE DONE CONCURRENTLY WITH THE REZONING AND THAT'S ACTUALLY A VERY COMMON PRACTICE AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO BECAUSE FLEET.WE HAVE EVERYBODY RIGHT NOW KIND OF TALKING ABOUT YOU KNOW. JONES AND GOT PEOPLE COMING UP TO SPEED ON THAT ON THE CITY OWNED SITE AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED ON ZONING AS QUICKLY AS HE

[171:00] COULD.OK SO I GUESS I WOULD SAY THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO PHRASE IT IN A WAY WE ADOPT THE ENTIRE AREA PLAN TO START A PERMIT.IT'S JUST AN ADOPTED VISION. AND WE DON'T WE SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY LAND USE CHANGES OUTSIDE THE GO AHEAD MAKE TO THE CITY OWNED SITE. LAND USE CHANGE AND ZONING AND THAT'S KIND A KIT FOR THIS COUNCIL RIGHT WE WE CAN GET THROUGH THOSE STEPS AND THEN SITTING HERE IS AN AREA PLAN. WHICH CAN BE MODIFIED AND CHANGED BY THE NEXT COUNCIL NEXT COUNCIL CAN COME AND THERE'S A CLAN. AND WE ONLY REALLY FUNNY ACTIONS ON THE SITE RIGHT WE ONLY TAKE ACTIONS ON THE SITE ITSELF. AND THERE AND IF THE NEXT COUNCIL WANTS TO GO THROUGH THIS WEEK AND TALKED ABOUT GIFTING OR MAKE LAND USE DESIGNATION CHANGES. FOR THE AREA OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OWNED SITE SO IT'S A WAY TO STAY ENGAGED WITH THE COMMUNITY.IT'S A WAY TO

[172:06] STAY ENGAGED TO THE ELECTION BUT STILL GOT WORK DONE ON THE SITE ITSELF IS THERE ANY WAY TO CAPTURE THE VISION PART THAT. EVEN WHEN HE SAY ADOPT THE AREA PLAN YOU MEAN YOU TALK ABOUT A PEOPLE CARE A LOT ABOUT KEEPING THIS THE SAME WEEK YOU KNOW WE AND THE NOTION THAT. WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS WHAT'S ALLOWED TO HAPPEN NOW CAN USE AN INTEREST IN HAVING THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT MAKING SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT. LAND USE DESIGNATIONS IN THE FUTURE FOR HANDING THAT OFF TO THE NEXT COUNCIL. TO JUST BE CLEAR WE DO TAKE THAT APPROACH THAT'S DIFFERENT PHASING THEM LIKE I WAS TALKING ABOUT BEFORE AND IT WOULD PROBABLY PEOPLE CAME AND TESTIFIED.WE WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE JUST ADOPTING THIS RIGHT NOW.WRIGHT WOULD NOT BE SAYING WHAT WILL DEPART NOUN PART LATER.SWEEP IT UP IN THE AREA PLAN WHICH IS FROM DEPARTURES BUT IT'S IT'S LIKE THE DESCRIPTION THE TRENDS OF MILITARY PLAN RIGHT.I MEAN I EXPECT WHEN WE

[173:03] COME BACK TO PHASE TWO WE HAVE AND ANY LAND USE CHANGES IN TASTE OR GRAPES OR IF WE WERE TO OPEN BY EXAMPLE.IT JUST TOTALLY GET THAT IT IS RIGHT BUT I'M JUST IN THE PERCEPTION IS LITTLE DIFFERENT.COULDN'T WE JUST MAKE DEALS ALL THE LOUD OUTER RAIN JUST MAKES IT ALL NICE FADED COLOR. TO BE DISCUSSED NEXT YEAR IS TO BREASTFEED THINKING THAT BAD BUT BUT WITHOUT NOTING HERE'S ALL THE STUFF WE HEARD BOTTLE OF DOM BUT JUST PUSH THE WHOLE. RESOLUTION OF THAT TO NEXT U S OF A QUESTION FOR TEEN MOM IF WE ADOPT THE LAND USE CHANGES ALONG WITH THE ZONING CHANGES AT THE CITY OWNED

[174:00] SITE. IS IT NECESSARY TO CONDUCT. OUR WOULDN'T WE NEED TO CONDUCT MUCH MORE OUTREACH THAT WE CAN BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE. BASICALLY WERE YOU DOING WITH THE LAND USE CHANGES AS YOU'RE SAYING YES I WANT TO BUILD A HOUSE AND WITH THE ZONING CHANGES WHAT YOU DOING. I'M GOING TO PUT A BAD COMPARISON TO PUT A BATHROOM HERE I WANT THIS MANY FIXTURES AND YOU LAY IN THE DETAILS. IS AT A GOOD ANALOGY FROM THE VERY I THINK USING IT WE THINK MAYBE A WAY TO DESCRIBE IT IS IN THE AREA PLAN PAINTS A VISION. TO THE FIRST STEP TO IMPLEMENTING THAT VISION IS TO CHANGE THE BOULDER VALLEY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND USE MAP. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU SAY RIGHT NOW YOU CAN DO STUFF ON THIS CITY OWNED SITE. AND WE WOULD NOW SAY YOU CAN DO THIS MIX OF RESIDENTIAL MIXED USE AND SIT BACK ON THIS SITE THAT WOULD BE THE LAND USE MAP CHANGES.SO NOW WE

[175:05] SIGNALED OUR INTENTION OF THE FUTURE USE OF THIS LAND SHOULD BE THESE THINGS. THEN THE NEXT STEP IS CHANGING THE ZONING AND THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD SAY AS WE DESCRIBED IN URBAN DESIGN PLAN.WE WANT THIS PART OF THE SITE TO BE ZONED. ZONING ACTS AND WE WANT THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S OF THIS HEIGHT OF THIS. TYPE OF UNIT WE WANT THIS AREA HAVE A TRUCE KIND OF THE THINGS WE DESCRIBE AND URBAN DESIGN PLAN.SO THAT'S THE FINAL STEP IS WRITING THE ZONING. AND DEPENDING ON WHAT THE FINAL VISION IS THAT ADOPTED IN THE AREA PLAN WE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE EXISTING ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ACHIEVE THAT VISION.SO WE MAY NEED TO WRITE NEW ZONING DISTRICTS TO ACHIEVE THAT VISION. BUT THE FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT STEP IS YOU GOTTA GET THAT THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND USE TO SAY YOU'RE NOW ALLOWED TO USE THIS LAND FOR THOSE USES BEFORE WE WRITE HIS OWN ZONING.I MEAN WHAT DO THOSE

[176:01] TOGETHER WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THE ZONING AS IT LAYS OUT A LOT MORE DT CORRECT PAN AND I AND MY QUESTION STILL STANDS.DO WE NEED IN ORDER TO LAY OUT THE ZONING DO WE NEED FURTHER OUTREACH OR IS IT. DEFINED WELL ENOUGH IN THE URBAN DESIGN PLAN. IN CONNECTION WITH THE QUESTION THEY ASKED BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S IN LARGE PART A QUESTION FOR US WE ALL SAID THAT WE COULD CHANGE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING THIS FALL.WE KNEW WHEN IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A REAL ESTATE TEMPERAMENT TO ME AT ALL BECAUSE I WOULD SAY ACTUALLY WE WOULD NEED TO DO SUBSTANTIAL ADDITIONAL OUTREACH.IF YOU'RE WRITING ZONING DISTRICTS.THAT'S A BIG EXERCISE RIGHT SO THIS. WEEK ATOP THE AREA PLANNED THIS FALL BUT I THINK YOU ARE TIRED YOU COULD ADOPT THE AREA PLAN THIS FALL THIS IS WHAT JEAN AND I WERE JUST. CHATTING WITH EACH OTHER ABOUT IS I THINK YOU COULD ADOPT THE AREA PLAN THIS FALL.YOU COULD EVEN

[177:00] POTENTIALLY MAKE LAND USE MAP CHANGES THE BOULDER VALLEY CONFERENCE A PLAN LAND USE MAP CHANGES FOR THE CITY SITE THIS FALL IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO. BUT WE STILL WE WE PROBABLY NEED TO DO MORE OUTREACH RELATED TO THE ACTUAL DESIGN OF THE ZONING DEPENDING ON WHAT WE LAND ON IN TERMS OF LAND USE. FOR THAT AREA SO THAT WHETHER WE COULD WRITE THE ZONING AND DO THAT ENGAGEMENT THIS FALL THAT TO ME IS. THAT LIKE SO INTO THE FIRST PART B PHASE ONE THE REZONING WOULD BE PHASE TWO AND THEN THE LAND THE LAND USE FOR THE LAND ELSE I'D BE A ST.SO THE MAIN REASON I WANT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET THE AREA PLAN. ADOPTED IS BECAUSE IT HAS THE CONNECTIONS PLANET HAS SOME OF THE OTHER VISIONS FOR BUILDING FORM AND FORM SO MUCH IS. THE QUALITY OF THE BUILDING AND SO ON SUMMER AND THEY'VE GOT THESE TWO FOR PROTOTYPES BUT I GUESS IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE WE DON'T

[178:00] NEED TO CHANGE LAND USE. OR THE ZONING ANY OF THE STUFF OUTSIDE THE CITY SITE.I DON'T REALLY WANT TO DO OUTREACH SO I WOULD IMAGINE IF WE WERE GOING TO DO IT. AT LAND USE CHANGES ON THE CITY SITE WOULD BE ONE OF THE LAST THINGS AS COUNCIL DID. YOU KNOW IF WE WANT TO DO IT AND I DON'T KNOW ZONE AND THOSE WITH BETTER NOT LEAVE THAT ASIDE FOR THE MOMENT. BUT THE CONNECTIONS ARE IMPORTANT. YOU KNOW WE NEED TO HAVE THE WHOLE AREA PLAN SO THAT WE THOSE CONNECTIONS TO GO THROUGH THE SITE MAKES SENSE AND CONNECT UP TO SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF THE SITE WAS RIGHT THERE.DOES EVERYBODY REALLY KNOW THE CONNECTIONS FOR I THINK YES WE NEED TO GET THE CONNECTION TRAIT THAT RIGHT.BUT THIS WHOLE THING OF MAKING IT NEW ZONES AND STUFF I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NECESSARILY TRUE BECAUSE AT LEAST I KNOW IN LOOKING AT IT ON THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY. YOU KNOW I'M PRETTY.OUR AIM

[179:10] WAS GOING THROUGH FORWARD WITH SOME ZONING TERM THAT WAS SUGGESTED AND THAT IS IN THIS SITE PLAN AND I DON'T LIKE FOR ME I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT WHY.OK SO I WAS IN GHANA GOP'S CASE ARE LAUGHING AT SOMETHING ELSE.OKAY I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW HOW WE DO THIS IN SO WE ALL ARE.I KNOW AND SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IT'S WHY COULDN'T WE DO.THE LAND USE CHANGES KINDA ZONING FOR THE CITY OWNED SITE AT THE SAME TIME AND MAYBE WE COULD TALK ABOUT THE CITY OWNED SITE. AND GOES THROUGH JUST THE CITY OWNED SITE AND THE SUGGESTED. TERM CHANGES THAT ARE BEING RECOMMENDED FOR OR ARE OUT THERE FOR OUR CONSIDERATION AND WRITING STAFF HAS DONE AN

[180:00] INCREDIBLE JOB OF SAYING OK HERE'S YOU KNOW EASY BUT. GOD CAN WE DO THAT IS SESSIONS SO I'M I'M WITH MORE WITH KAREN AND BOB HERE AND I THINK MARY.I THINK WE NEED IS ICE AT THE VERY BEGINNING.NOW THAT WE'VE SHAKEN THE GIANT WE NEED TO HAVE MORE ENGAGEMENT AND I THINK BEFORE I MET FOR THE FEES AREA PLAN. I'M FOR LOOKING AT THE CITY SITE BUT I WANT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON THAT SITE RATHER THAN THE COUNCIL MOVING AHEAD WITH LAND USE AND ZONING CHANGES. ADDING TO IT SOMETHING TO THROW OUT LAND USE CHANGES POSSIBLE ZONING CHANGES AND SEE WHAT SEE WHAT COMES BACK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. WELL THAT'S GREAT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD. DIE FROM IT THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT THIS IS AT PRESENT WE ALL CAME OUT AND SAID THANK YOU. YOU FORWARD ON THIS FOR FOUR I MIGHT CONSIDER. IT AND THEN

[181:01] I SAID. I THINK THAT WE HAVE HEARD. ALOT FROM THE COMMUNITY AND HOW DO WE ENGAGE NOW IN TERMS OF WHAT EVERYONE IS SINGING AND BRING THEM INTO THIS PROCESS SO THAT IT'S NOT MORE OF WHAT HASN'T HAPPENED.OK WE HAVE TO STOP THIS CONVERSATION FOR MINISTRY OR SOMETHING.SOO THAT ISN'T WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO MISS A MINUTE AGO I THOUGHT WAS THE WHICH IS ABOUT. HAVING THE STUFF OUTSIDE OF THE SITE THE HOSP THE CITY AND SITE CAN JUST PUT IN GREAT FADED OUT.TBD NICE TO SEE THIS IN A WEEK AND WE COULD ADOPT THE AREA PLAN WITH WITH THE LOVELY PROTOTYPES. AND THE CONNECTIONS PLANNED RIGHT BECAUSE WE WANT TO GET THOSE SET HERE. ONLY WITH ONLY THE ACTUAL. PATIENTS ON THE CITY AND SITE AND THAT WOULD GIVE TIME FOR ADDITIONAL OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE SURROUNDING AREA BUT ALLOW US TO CONTINUE TO MOVE

[182:00] FORWARD WITH THE CITY OWNED SITE.EVERYBODY LIVE WITH THE STATEMENT WAS MADE TO CLARIFY HE KNOW THAT WOULD MEAN NO LAND USE CHANGES OUTSIDE THE CITY OWNED PROPERTIES. THE BUSES FOR A DEGREE NEVER. RAISE A REALLY REALLY GREAT DAY AND NIGHT WHAT IS GOING OUT MEAN I I JUST MEANS WE TALKED ABOUT BELLA INFORMATION LAW TO INPUT WE'RE NOT DECIDING THAT HERE. WE RECOGNIZE IT AT SOME POINT THE CONVERSATION WILL CONTINUE WOULD NOT.THESE WERE NOT ADOPTING THE RECOMMENDED LAND USE CHANGES FOR THAT AREA FOR EXTRACTS. SOOTHE THE CHILD HAS A TBD FOR AT LEAST FORTY. DEAD ON THE THAT'S ESSENTIALLY DOING A SINGLE PARCEL AREA PLAN I SWORE I WOULD NEVER EVER EVER GO THERE AGAIN SOUL AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE WOULD BE TO GET. A KIDNEY I

[183:02] WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE CONNECTIONS THE FLOOD MITIGATION FOR THE TRIP. BEGINS TO FIX THE TRANSPORTATION SO WE HAVE THE CONTEXTUAL PEACE IN THAT WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT IT IS I THINK WE'VE COME A LONG WAY ON THE FLOOD IN THE TRANSPORTATION.YES BUT IF SOMETHING COMES IN AND EVERY DEVELOPS AS A FOUR STORY OFFICE BUILDING AS OPPOSED TO HOUSING MAY BE THE FIRST ONE TO SAY TOLD YOU SO WHEN WHEN ARE YOU PROPOSING.OTHERWISE I'M PROPOSING THAT WE GO AHEAD AND PASS THE LAND USES AS THEY ARE IN THE AREA PLAN THE PROPOSED AREA PLAN EVEN THE ONES FOR LIKE A DEAL THAT WERE MAKING PEOPLE CRAZY.YEAH BECAUSE IT'S A THAT WOULD BE THAT COULD STILL BE PHASE TWO.I'VE DECIDED TO FORGIVE ME FOR THAT APPROACH I WOULD ABSOLUTELY TAKE THE SHOPPING CENTERS SHOPPING CENTERS AND LEAVE THEM SECRETLY. I WOULD

[184:01] I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS I WOULD LIKE FOR THIS DISCUSSION. I WOULD LET LIKE TO LOOK AT THE CITY OWNED SITE AND GO THROUGH HOUSE STAFF HAS KIND OF PRESENT BLOCK BY BLOCK. WHERE SEARS AGREEMENT WARES OR NOT. WE HAVE QUESTIONS TO COUNTY INMATES THE COUNTY AL. YOU KNOW TO REDO FOR STORIES ON THE WESTERN END WITH RETAIL ON THE BOTTOM LIKE THE PLANNING BOARD ARE SOME OF THE PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDED. OR DO WE DO TWO STORIES HE KNOW. AND I WOULD LIKE TO GO THROUGH THOSE RIGHT NOW BEFORE WE HAVE THIS HIGHER LEVEL AND THEN I WOULD LIKE THERE'S JUST SOME PART OF THE AREA PLAN.I AGREE WITH AARON ON THE SHOPPING CENTERS.YOU KNOW THAT WE JUST KEEP THEM PRETTY MUCH WHERE THEY ARE. AND THEN THERE'S JUST A FEW PARCELS ON THE AREA PLAN FIVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHEN I THINK THE COMMUNITY HAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS OKAY.ALL THE PEOPLE

[185:01] WANTED THOSE WHO SAY THE CITY OWNED LAND THAT GOES THROUGH AND SEE IF WE HAVE SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT.NO NOWELL THAT'S WHAT WE SAID WE'RE GOING TO DO PHASE ONE WOULD BE DOING THAT WE WILL NOT TONIGHT. THE IMPLIED THAN A QUESTION TONIGHT OR DO OR EVER.THAT'S THE ONLY THEY'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THIS SITE OVER ONE AND THE PLANNING BOARD IS GOING TO GET ANOTHER YOU KNOW HEARING OR WHATEVER.THIS IS AND THIS IS JUST DRAGGING BOOM THE P N ITS MAKING THE COSTS GO UP.SOOSO YES THIS WAS THE WORK.ACTUALLY WE'VE BEEN TALKING WAY TOO LONG OF THE BIG PICTURE.THIS IS THE WORK WE ARE HERE TO GO THROUGH BLOCK BY BLOCK AT LEAST THE CITY OWNED LAND.I THINK THAT THERE IS SOME TALK ABOUT ACTUALLY SLOWING DOWN THE PROCESS FOLDING IN MORE OF THE COMMUNITY CONCERN.

[186:00] RATHER THAN JUST AGREE WHEN HEARING AND THAT WAS IT WAS THE FOUR YEARS OF MEETING SAYING NO TO. THE COMMUNITY WE HAVE TO PLAY INSTEAD OF COME OUT ONE WAS DEBORAH HINTS AND SHE'S COMPLETELY FROM THE COMMUNITY AND ANOTHER ONE IS PULSE EVERY DUDE. WHO'S COMPLETELY FROM THE COMMUNITY AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE POINT TO AT LEAST DISCUSS THOSE. AND GET TO TAKE OUT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO TONIGHT BUT SOME JUST BE CLEAR WITH EVERYONE THAT WILL BE ANOTHER HEARING.THERE'S A JOINT PLANNING BOARD AND COUNCIL HEARING ON THE TWENTY FOURTH SO HEARING WILL TESTIFY.LET US KNOW WHAT THE THING SO IF WE WERE TO DO SOMETHING TONIGHT. GUIDANCE TO STAFF AT WHAT TO TEE UP THE NEXT DISCUSSION IS NOT A DECISION TONIGHT HIS GUIDANCE TO STAFF IN THE JOINT HEARING THE PLANNING BOARD AND US. IN

[187:01] THE NEXT AND IN A DELIBERATE AND DECIDE TO MAKE HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY RATED STOP THE PROGRAM AND THEN WE GET TO TAKE PLANNING BOARD AND THE PUBLIC'S RECOMMENDATION INTO CONSIDERATION.OCTOBER FIRST AND WE CAN CHOOSE TO ADOPT THE AREA PLAN. AND PROPOSE PROTOTYPES FOR LAND USE CHANGES TO COME NOT TO QUIT ADOPT LAND USE CHANGES THAT NIGHT RIGHT. UP THE AREA PLANS SHOW IS PLANNING BOARD SUPPOSED TO REACT TO THE PLAN THAT THE COUNCIL PLANS TO DO TONIGHT FROM THE WORST FOR. ME TO GET ON THE THREE OF YOU SAYING YES BUT IT'S A STRAW MAN THAT WE ADVANCE TO THE NEXT HEARING AND THE NEXT HEARING IS WHERE. DISCUSSIONS AND DECISIONS ARE MADE AND THAT THE MARK FOR THE TO BE TALKING TO US ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT ON THE CITY OWNED SITE. REALLY THAT'S ALL THAT WERE FOCUSED ARE SO SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO CAN WE DO TO HIM WE JUST HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. OK WE HAVE THE SOLACE TODAY. CAN YOU CAN YOU HELP ASK MORE POINTED QUESTIONS OF US PLEASE.YEAH WHY DON'T WE GO

[188:10] AHEAD AND WALK THROUGH THE PROPOSAL FOR WHAT THE VISION OF THE CITY OWNED SITE WOULD BE. AND GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL ON THAT ON SO I MIGHT HAVE JEANNE JUST WALK US THROUGH EACH OF THOSE UNKIND TO DO A BIT OF A RECAP.YUP SO WE'VE GOT THE ARM CIVIC USES ON THE NICE BLOCK ON WHERE THE PAVILION AS AS WELL AS TO BRAND BUILDING AND THEN WE MIXED USE. THEM TO ON THE NORTHERN PART OF BLOCK.SO LET'S JUST STOP RIGHT THERE ON THE NORTH OK LET TALK ABOUT THAT.OK THE BALL SEEMS TO ME.I THINK THE FLOOD THE FLOOD MITIGATION THAT YOU PUT INTO PLACE MAKES SENSE TO ME ALONG THE NORTHERN SIDE.

[189:02] ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE GIVE YOU THE RIGHT MAP TO HELP AND MAKE SURE IT'S REALLY CLEAR FOR YOU.THANK YOU CAN SOME CONFUSED YET LETS OUT LIAO OKAY GREAT OKAY IGNORE EVERYTHING OUTSIDE OF THE SOUTH ORISSA WERE NOT NOW OR JUST LOOKING AT THEM. BUT JUST WANTS TO WILL TAKE YOU TO GET AGREEMENT ON THE FLOAT GOING TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE AND GET SOMETHING DONE. GUESS ONE THING ONE THING LET'S START DOES ANYBODY DISAGREE WITH HAVING THE FLOOD MITIGATION ON THE NORTH STRIP OF THE SITE. NAME CAN JUST MAKE THE POINT THAT IT MEANS THAT THE BUILDINGS ON THE NORTHSIDE OR SAT HUNDRED FEEDBACK FROM THE STREET WHICH MINIMIZES THEIR THEIR CREDIT THE YEARS OF PERCEIVED ALL ENORMOUSLY.IN OTHER WORDS THE PRESIDENT DESERVES A LOT OF THESE ANSWERS A LOT OF THESE OK. SORRY HARVEY THE PLACE WHERE THE PAVILION IS THAT CORNER HAVING A GOOD

[190:00] SAID WITH IT WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH CONSOLIDATING CITY SERVICES THERE.YES YES YES YES AND THEN THE BRETON BUILDING WHICH WE JUST RENOVATED SO I HOPE WE SAY YES YES YES OK.THE FLEX SPACE FOR ABOUT THAT.NORTH EAST CORNER MIXED USE TO THIS PURPLE ON RIGHT OK SO JUST GIVE US.THERE'S TWO OPTIONS FOR WHAT THEY ARE A COUPLE OPTIONS FOR WHAT THAT MIGHT END UP BEST.SO AGAIN WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT SETBACK FROM BALSAM AND THERE'S STILL SOME QUESTION AS TO HOW MUCH SPACE WITH THE MATS UPPER CORNER. WE'RE GOING TO NEED IT FOR OR WHERE THE CONVEYANCE TIES BACK INTO THE REST OF THE SYSTEM SO AGAIN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE WILL NEED TO BE TO POTENTIAL IS DETERMINED LATER.WHAT WE'RE THINKING ON THAT ON THE MIXED USE IS THAT UM IT SHOULD BE A GROUND FLOOR ACTIVE ACTIVE SPACE. AND IT COULD BE HOUSING ABOVE OR IT COULD BE

[191:00] SOME OTHER TYPE OF USE OF POP CAN GET. SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE FOR. CONSOLIDATING CITY SERVICES ON THE SOUTHWEST AND SOUTHEAST CORNER AND I'M HAPPY PUTTING HOUSING OR IN I LIKE THE FIRST FLOOR BEING OPEN. BUT I WOULD NOT BE TOO OPEN FOR CIVIC USES SO THAT YOU GAVE IS KIND OF EITHER OR.I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE AIMING CITY OFFICES TO THE RIGHT I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE TOSSED AROUND US. IS THAT I OR RELOCATION OF THE SENIOR CENTER WITH HOUSING ABOVE IS GREAT.SOME OTHER KIND OF CIVIC. YOU TO BE ART CENTER COULD HAVE YOU JIM COULDN'T THE ONLY THING THAT FLOOR COME OR IS IT TOO IS A VISIT ANOTHER PART THAT TOM. WE

[192:00] SELL AND BE YOU KNOW IT SOME OTHER USE OR. SO TONIGHT WE ARE JUST DECIDING LEATHER GETS TO COLOR CORRECT RECORD GIVING US FEEDBACK ON IF THAT FEELS LIKE THAT SEEMS LIKE THE RIGHT LAND USE OR. IF YES TO EVERYBODY AGREES TO ACT UPON THEM ON THE FIRST FLOOR. THUS I FOR ONE THINK THIS IDEA OF THE SENIOR CENTER. AND SENIOR HOUSING MIGHT BE A FINE HE'LL BE HAPPY TO BUY YET AND SO I WOULD SEE SOME SOME REAL COMMUNITY BENEFIT CIVIC USE.I WOULD CONTEMPLATE BUT OTHER THAN THAT WOULD REALLY LOOK FOR HOUSING ON THE CORNER AND NOT JUST ADDITIONAL OFFICE SPACE.RIGHT RIGHT BUT TO THIS SENIOR HOUSING IN SOMALIA MIGHT WORK REALLY NICE.WE ARE BY CALLING THE PURPLE MUCH ANYTHING TONIGHT.ARE WE AGREEING TO ANY DEGREE OF DENSITY RIGHT. TO DUE TO THE CITY'S FIRST HOUR SO WE ARE FOUR BUILDINGS MID RISE THREE TO FOUR. SITTER FOR STORIES SORRY BUILDING HEIGHTS WOULD BE BETWEEN THIRTY FIVE AND FIFTY FIVE FEET OR EXCEPTION OVER

[193:00] THIRTY FIVE FEET TO ALLOW FOR A TALLER FIRST FLOOR FOR MIXED USE BUILDINGS.THAT'S WHAT THE PROTOTYPES AS IN CAN I ASK A QUESTION TO JEAN YIP. SO JEANNE YOU TALKED ABOUT UM FLOOD MITIGATION BEING ON THE SITE AND THAT YOU. IT MIGHT TURN OUT THAT ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER WE MIGHT HAVE TO BROADEN THAT AREA SO I THINK THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE BY THE NEW DEPT. IT ALLOWS FOR MORE REVIEWS SO I LIKE THEM WITH SUZANNE AND ERIN HAVE SAID IN TERMS OF UM. YOU KNOW HAVING THAT FOR SPACE AND SENIOR HOUSING BUT NOT TO HAVE MORE OFFICE BUILDING ABOVE. YARN THAT I THINK THAT

[194:01] WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT CENTER INCLUDE AN AREA PLAN OR TO PROTECT DESCRIPTION OFFICES DISCOURAGED AND AGAIN SAID HOUSING. PLUS ACTIVE FOR ITS CLEVER THAT IS BECAUSE THIS IS RIGHT ON BROADWAY RIGHT THIS IS THE MOST INTENSE. PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT EVERYTHING ELSE IS GOING TO GET SMALLER. OVER THE OVER THE TIME THAT WE'VE DONE THE NATION STARTING WITH A ONE OF THE KEY QUESTIONS WHEN WE DID THE SCENARIOS LAST FALL.SOME FOLKS WERE LIKE OK IF YOU GUY HAVE TALLER BUILDINGS ON BROADWAY AND PINE IN THAT YES FOR SURE VERY. I AGREE WITH THE HOME THE IDEA OF THE SENIOR HOUSING AND SOME SORT OF A CIVIC USE ON THE GROUND FLOOR AND WHAT THAT WOULD BE MOM. NOT SURE BUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT'S THAT SOUNDS LIKE A REALLY GOOD THING FOR THAT LOOK TO DISAGREE AND DISAGREE WITH FIFTY FIVE FEET.I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE GOING UP THAT HIGH WHAT'S THE SETBACK OFF OF BROADWAY FROM THERE.

[195:02] THIS IS THE PROBLEM COMES FROM A GENTLE STATE REMEMBER WHO SENT IT TO WE CAN TALK ABOUT SANDY I LIKE PURPLE LIKE THAT ONE BROWN. BEAST OF A HEARING TO GO THROUGH AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE ARE READY FOR A PUBLISHER AND SO. YOUR CAN GO THROUGH AND SALAD PURPLES AND BROWNS AND GREEN ANYTHING TONIGHT AND ONE WAS SPECIFICALLY FOR A PROCESS STANDPOINT. A COUPLE WITH THIS GOING FORWARD HEARING ON THE TWENTY FOURTH OF OCTOBER FIRST STEP IN PURPLES AND BROWNS ALL NIGHT LONG BUT I'M NOT GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS GOING FORWARD.OKAY I'M BAFFLED BY THAT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN LEADING UP TO THIS FOR THE WHOLE TIME SO WHY ARE FROM PEOPLE LAST NIGHT. TWENTY FOUR HOURS A DAY JUST A NOTE WITH D HAVE HEADPHONE YEARS TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS FOREVER AND YOU KNOW WHETHER IT'S THIRTY FIVE OR FIFTY FEET FIFTY FIVE FEET. THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING TONIGHT IS GIVING STAFF DIRECTION. THAT DIRECTION IS GOING TO GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD THEIR CONTENT DELIVERY DONE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER

[196:00] HEARING AND THEN WE MAKE.YOU KNOW MAYBE IT HAS TO BE LITTLE LONGER THAN OCTOBER FIRST BUT. I THINK WE TERM WE WANT TO GIVE STAFF SOMETHING TO WORK WITH SO THAT THEY CAN'T GO FORWARD TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE AND SAY OK WE HEARD YOU WERE. WE ARE INTERESTED SO I'LL SAY NOT FIFTY FIVE FEET.OK SO AT BETTY AND ED TO DIRECT THE FIFTY FIVE. INTERACTIVE WHAT IS THE SETBACK OF RAIN I MEAN THIS IS A THING OTHERWISE WE'RE JUST IT'S LIKE PLAYING MONOPOLY APPEAR BY. THESE THINGS ARE NOT GOING TO BE SET IN STONE THEY'RE GOING TO BE CHANGED AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THE COLORS LOOK GREAT.WHY WERE GOING THE AIR THROUGH THE EXERCISE OF TRYING TO SAY HOW MANY WINDOWS ARE GOING TO BE ON THE BUILDING OR NOT. THE WHOLE IDEA HERE IS TO GIVE SOMETHING FOR THE HEARING TO ADDRESS RIGHT.IT'S GOING TO BE DE FACTO ITS STAFF HAS DONE OR WE TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND USE IT YOU

[197:00] DON'T LIKE FIFTY FIVE FEET BUT THAT'S FINE.AND THAT'S GOOD FEEDBACK AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT BUT IT'S STILL GOING TO BE IN YOU SOMETHING EVEN IF YOU SAY SOMEHOW. BY SPECIALTY OTT OR OVERLAY ZONE OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO PUT THERE THAT YOU CAN GO TO ABOUT THIRTY FIVE FEET OR SO.I MEAN IF THE DOOR STRANGER OK OK HAVE FIFTY FIVE FEET. BY MONDAY OF THE DEAF IN HER BECAUSE I THINK JUST TO CLARIFY. AND I DON'T HAVE A PACKET PAGE NUMBER BUT THE DRAFT AREA PLAN PAGE THIRTY THREE WHICH IS THE HEIGHT MAP FOR THIS CORNER PARCEL THE NORTHEAST CORNER WHICH IS THE PURPLE ONE.WHAT WE ENVISION FOR THAT IS THAT IT WOULD BE UP TO FOUR STORIES. AND BUILDING HEIGHTS ABOVE THIRTY FIVE FEET FOR A FOURTH FLOOR. OR TO ALLOW APPROPRIATELY PITCHED ROOF FORMS IS WHAT WE DO IS WHAT THE AREA PLAN WOULD SAY WE WOULD WANT TO ZONING TO BE I THINK THAT'S PRETENDING TO STEPH SEEMS GREAT.YET WHILE HATES THAT

[198:05] WORD SAM READ TO HIM YOU KNOW IT WAS TO BE IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY READ BECAUSE. THERE'S ADDITIONAL PAINTINGS BUT WHAT I READ WAS THE PLAN IS THAT HELPFUL THING WE CAN MAKE THAT CLEAR IN THE PROTOTYPES. IN ANOTHER CERAMIC DID JOE POINTED WHERE THE PLAN IS CALLING FOR BUILDINGS ABOVE THIRTY FIVE NOT FIFTY FIVE FEET HERE BUT ABOUT THREE FEET. IS WHERE WE HAVE EXISTING BUILDINGS TO GO UP TO SIXTY ODD FEET SIXTEEN E GRAY SIXTY EIGHT SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LOWER BUILDINGS THAN WE HAVE CURRENTLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT.OK WELL I THINK TO THE EXTENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THOMAS. IT'S GOING TO BE ALONG THIS BOMB SYRIA AND IF WE HAVE PRESERVED A LOT OF USE AND IF WE BUILD BUILDINGS.IT'LL BE

[199:00] FINE IN EVERY BUILD UGLY BUILDINGS IT WILL NOT BE FINE AND I THINK IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO A LOT OF HOW IT FEELS. SO ANOTHER THING TO ADD JUST TO. BE CLEAR IS THAT EACH ONE OF THOSE PARCELS TO THE EXTENT THAT WE DIVIDE THEM UP IN EITHER SUPPLEMENT A BOULDER HOUSING PARTNERS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR SELL THEM TO A PRIVATE DEVELOPER.EVERY ONE OF THESE OVER TO HER SITE PLAN REVIEW. SO EVEN WHEN WE HAVE LAND USE AND ZONING IS VERY LIKELY THAT THESE BUILDINGS WILL GO TO SITE PLAN REVIEW WHICH MEANS PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND POTENTIAL CALL UP BY COUNCIL.SO THERE'S A WHOLE OTHER LAYER PROCESS TO TRY AND ENSURE THAT WE GET GOOD BUILDINGS AND READ MANY RESTRICTIONS WE PUT ON NOW IS WHAT THEY. KEPT TELLING HER TO ANOTHER BLOCK I THINK IN THE NORTH STAR BLOCK NEXT. DAY SO WHY DON'T YOU START OUT THAT DISCUSSION AND TELL US WHAT IS THE BROWN RULING AND THE HEIGHTS OF BROWN IS THE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO. SO IT'S STACKED FLAT KIND

[200:04] OF FORM. THAT WITH ANN AND THIS DOES INCLUDE THE GREEN ON THE HEIGHT MATH THAT WOULD. SPECIFY THAT THAT GETS TO ITS THREE FLOORS BUT WITH THE POTENTIAL EXTRA FLOOR ARE EXTRA HEIGHT ABOVE THIRTY FIVE TO ALLOW FOR FOR REFORMS IN TRUTH. THE TRUTH DESPITE THREE STORY THREE STORY THREE HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK. IN EFFECT SOLD AND I DID NOT HEAR A LOT OF OPPOSITION TO THE SNOW. AND IF YOU LOOK AT DOVER UNION'S PLAN AND IF YOU LOOK AT PAUL SCHAEFFER READERS PLAN BOTH THAT THOSE HAVE TO IN YEARS.I THINK SUPPORT FOR THOSE OTHER THOUGHTS.AND SO WITH THAT WE HANG ON. TO ANOTHER FOR NOW HOWEVER SHE'S GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THOSE TWO

[201:00] PLANTS AT THE COMMUNITY PROVIDED WHICH IAC AS BOOKENDS OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN TO JUST COMMENT. ON WHETHER IT HAD JUST PUT ON RECORD.I DON'T LIKE TAKING DOWN DECONSTRUCTING THE HOSPITAL BUT I ALSO WORK NICELY HIM IN THE MINORITY THE MINORITY BUT NOT LIKE. IT DOESN'T SEEM TO SUSTAINABLE TO ME AND I HAVEN'T BEEN CONVINCED THAT IT'S NECESSARY.OKAY WHAT'S NEXTOK AND SO THEN FOR THE WEST BLOCK WAS PROPOSED IN THE PLAN IS THE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ONE. THAT WOULD BE MORE IN THE FORM OF TWO TO THREE STORY TOWNHOME STYLE. THAT COULD WOULD LOOK LIKE COME HOME SALES OR MAYBE NOT OPPORTUNITY THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY STACKED FLATS BUT THE THING TO LOOK LIKE. WOULD BE THE TOWNHOME THE TYPE OF STYLE RAMEN THAT IS AT THE THIRD SET OF ANSWERS WHICH THE BRITISH A HDR ONE AND TOOK A DAY IN QUESTION.SO

[202:09] COULD YOU HAVE EIGHTY USE IN THE BACK SO YOU HAVE LIKE YOUR HOUSE IS BEHIND THESE TOWNHOUSES SOLD IT FOR EACH TO EACH. FOR EVERY TWO TOWN HOUSES YOU COULD HAVE WON TWO CAR GARAGE WITH A GRANNY FLAT ON TOP OF THAT TEAM INCLUYE POR WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.YOU COULD SAY IT DEPENDS ON WHAT GOES IN AT THESE TOWN HOMES AND THERE'S A DETACHED GARAGE IN THE BACK A BIT TOO NEEDY AND THE BACK. WE NEED TO WRITE IT INTO THE ZONING AND LOOK AT THAT LATER.OK THANK YOU AND I'LL JUST SAY NO THANK YOU COLONEL.UM I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE OFF THE TABLE ANY KIND OF RETAIL ON. THE FIRST FLOOR AS PROPOSED BY SOME MEMBERS ARE THE MAJORITY OF THE PLANNING BOARD I DON'T THINK THAT IS A GOOD. LAND USE PROJECTS I KNOW I KNOW

[203:00] AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT DOES IS IT.DOES ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK FOR IT OR IS EVERYBODY AGREE WITH LISA YEARS.OKAY I JUST HAVE TO PUT INTO WORDS.IF YOU WERE RIGHT AT THE PARK.I THINK IT'S A COOL IDEA GIVEN ITS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PARK. AN IDEA BEING ABLE TO HAVE A LOOK AT AN ICE CREAM SHOP OR COFFEE SHOP RIGHT ON THE GET ON THE PARK WHERE KIDS CAN PLAY.I LOVE THAT IDEA BUT GIVEN IT'S ACROSS THE STREET. I DON'T THINK IT COULD SERVE THAT FUNCTION SO I DON'T SUPPORT THAT.HOW ABOUT IF INSTEAD WE LOVE PUSH CARTS IN THE PARK. VIA THE RADIO THE OK TO MEAN THAT ALL THE CANDIDATES GO AND SAY I THINK WITH ALL DUE RESPECT IF I'M BORED AT HAVING THE FOUR STORIES ON THE PARK. THAT WE NEED TO STICK WITH OUR ORIGINAL IDEA SINGS CASCADING DOWNWARDS YOU GET TO THE DARK YET SEEM TO BE A CONCEPT.MY

[204:04] UNDERSTANDING IS THE THAT THAT SPOKE TO THE IS TO HAVE LIGHTS CASCADING DON'T REALLY BUY ANY PLANNING BOARD PROPOSAL ONLY THROUGH SOME FUEL ON FIRE. AND IF I CAN JUST ASSUME IF IT'S CORRECT. THE PLANNING BOARD ALSO TALKED ABOUT MAYBE THIS PARCEL THAT'S ON THE SOUTH AND AS AARON MENTION OF IT. TOUCHING THE PARK MAYBE WOULD MAKE SENSE BUT WHAT I'M HEARING IS PROBABLY NOT THAT EITHER NO PUSH CART. JUST BE ME WHO YOU TALK MOVED TWO BLOCKS TO GO TO A DEAL MARKET WILL GET AN ICE CREAM AND THEN THERE'S TWO COFFEE SHOPS ARE REALLY NO. SIR JUST TO BE CLEAR THE CITY DOES NOT OWN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.CORRECT YEAH THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED TO CHECK IN ON THE RIGHT THERE WE DON'T OWN THAT CORRECT. OKAY THAT WE WENT TO THE FRIDGE TO GET EXACTLY DOES THAT MEAN WE ARE SPECIFICALLY NOT WEIGHING IN ON A GIVEN GIVEN WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.OR WILL THE IDEAL SIDE THAT WERE NERVOUS ABOUT THE COLORS.

[205:01] DESIGNATE THE SAME THING AND SO IT WOULD BE SIM IF THAT SITE REDEVELOPED. IT WOULD KNOW I KNOW I KNOW I KNOW BUT WE TALKED ABOUT LET'S JUST STICK WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY OWNED SITE. AND THE REASON I HAVE THIS DISCUSSION OUT JUST REMIND OURSELVES THAT IF WE PHASE THIS IN TWO PHASES AND WE WILL ACTUALLY BE IMPLEMENTING. LAND USE CHANGES ON THE FIVE BLOCKS BUT NOT THAT SIX BLOCK RIGHT. SO FOR HIM TO STICK WITH WHAT WE SET BEFORE BED PHASE AND WE COULD CONSIDER THE LAND USE CHANGES ON THE CITY OWNED SITE. NEAR PARTY CURRENTLY EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT BE NICE. TO HAVE GONE AHEAD AND DESIGNATED REST OF THIS SO THAT PEOPLE HAVE CERTAIN ABOUT WHAT MIGHT COME AND READ BUT IF WE WANT TO BE TWO PHASES.JUST TO BE VERY ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION WE WERE JUST BEGINNING AND I WOULD HAVE AN EXCEPTION FOR EVERYTHING INCLUDE SIX BLOCK BUT I DON'T WANT A CONFUSING STATEMENT.YES IT'S EVEN GOT

[206:03] TWO DIFFERENT LAND USES ON IT CURRENTLY. IS JUST NOT THE WESTERN HALF OF THAT BLOCK IS MIXED AND THE RESIDENTIAL WHICH IS VERY CLOSE TO THE NEW DESIGNATION ANYWAY SO. DON'T BOTHER TO USE AT LEAST A CONSISTENT YEAR IN THE FIRST PHASE IN THE US TO THE CITY AND SAY TO PEOPLE AGREE.I JUST WANTED TO ADD ONE THING ONE OF THE COOL THINGS ABOUT THE HOLIDAY. IS THAT IT DOES HAVE IN SOME OF THOSE MIXED USE ZONES YOU GET THESE MIXED HEIGHTS AND IT WOULD BE GREAT.WELL I GUESS I PUT OUT THAT WHAT YOU ALL THINK ABOUT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE YOU CAN GET THAT KIND OF VARIATION WITHIN THAT WESTERN I WOULD LOVE TO. SOAK AGO TO TODAY SO WE COULD GO TWO OR THREE AND HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF VARIATION. IS

[207:01] ONE OF YOUR TIME IN THE CITY AND I'M SORRY YESTERDAY THE US YET SO ONE OF US THAT THAT LITTLE THAT BLOCK IS NOT INCLUDED ARE MAPS.WHY WAS THE INTERNET TO JUST HAVE THAT AT A THIRTY FIVE FOOT. THE THIRD OF MAY WE COULD WRITE WHAT I WAS HEARING IS MAYBE RIGHT INTO THE PROTOTYPE ON TO ENCOURAGE A VARYING ARE MIXED HEIGHTS AMONGST THE STRUCTURES AS THEIR BELT. SO WE COULD PUT SOMETHING IN THE PROTOTYPE IS THAT SIGNALS TO WHAT WE WANT. THE DEVELOPMENT TO LOOK LIKE IN THAT TWO THREE STORY DEVELOPMENT UNDER THIRTY FIVE FEET BUT MAKES UP IT'S A LITTLE BUT YES BECAUSE I CAN. THAT WOULD GO ALONG WITH THE IDEA OF HAVING THE BOMB THE USE OF STRUCTURES CONDENSED AND THEY THINK EIGHTY USE AND A LITTLE COURAGEOUS EVEN THOUGH I DON'T LIKE PROVIDING HOUSES FOR CARS.UMM A TAD TOO LITTLE

[208:02] FOR ME ABILITY TO SIGHT AND YOU CAN GET ADDITIONAL UNITS WITHOUT THEM BEING MY. DAD JUST PASSED ONE COMMENT I HEARD SPEAKING TO TINA MARCOS TO TAKE HIS TIME AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PORT ISSUES BECAUSE IT PRESENTS A SUMPTUOUS NEAR HER. BED MAKING A CASE FOR SOME FAMILY ORIENTED OUT. TO ME THE OPPORTUNITY AND FAMILIES CAN LIVE AND IN. APARTMENTS TOO BUT BUT THIS WAS ONE OF MORE TRADITIONAL FAMILY FRIENDLY AND THE IDEA OF OF SOME OF THIS BEING AFFORDABLE TO. AN END AND HAS SOME SOME VERSIONS OF THIS IS WHAT THE WESTERN SIDE. OF THE MARKET RATE BUT I'D LIKE TO PRESERVE THE IDEA OF SOME OF THAT BEFORE IT WILL SOON GET SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING FAMILY A FAMILY ORIENTED HOUSING. AND THAT'S NOT QUITE CARRY PLANETS WHEN TO GET THAT OUT THERE CAN. GET THAT FEEDBACK FROM HIM CAN WE PUT IN THE PARKING LOT FOR TONIGHT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND ITS UNQUESTIONED BUT I DO TOO BUT. AARON ALONG THE LINES OF

[209:04] DESCENT WITH. FAMILY AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN OTHERS THEY ARE IN NEXT TUESDAY THAT ALLOWS A DENSITY BONUS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT'S MY SON. THAT'S WHAT MY TRICKY TO SEW UP I WOULD CONSIDER HIM A PROTOTYPE THAT WOULD. DO THAT THAN I'D CARE TO LOCATE EVERY INSTANCE OR THE SUMMERS BUT WELL THE PROTOTYPE IF IT'S SOMETHING TO PUT UP A FEW PEOPLE DO THAT.OK THIS SHOW I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S BEEN HEIGHT LIMITATION IMPOSED EXCEPT FOR THE BROADWAY SIDE ACROSS THE WHOLE AREA. LIKE THIRTY FIVE FEET OR THEIR WORK WAS SOME SENTIMENT THAT WE SHOULD GO ABOUT THIRTY FIVE FEET FOR PICTURE OF SOME THINGS OF THAT NATURE.SO FOR ARCHITECTURAL INTEREST BUT NOT FOR LIVING SPACE.WELL WE

[210:04] WE THE ONES WE HAVEN'T COME AROUND A BEND HE LAST BURN GAS SO AS SCRAPES AND MAYBE. A WAY TO TRY AND DESCRIBE A LITTLE FURTHER IS HEARING THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HEARD WHICH WAS CONCERNS ABOUT HEIGHT BUT ALSO WANTING TO SEE VARIED REFORMS LIKE ITS TRUCE.SO WHAT WE INCLUDED IN THE DRAFT AREA PLAN IS THAT HEIGHT MAP. AND WHAT THE IDEAS THAT HELPS ARTICULATE RIGHT NOW OUR ZONING JUST SAYS. EITHER YOU CAN GO UP TO THIS SITE THIRTY FIVE FEET OR YOU CAN GO UP TO EXCITE. BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY THE ZONING DISTRICTS DON'T DESCRIBE HOW YOU SHOULD USE THAT SPACE ABOVE THIRTY FIVE FEET.SO HEARING THE FEEDBACK THAT OCCURRED. ON FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT WAS WHERE THE CONCEPT OF THIS HEIGHT MAP CAME WHICH WAS LET'S BE REALLY CLEAR ABOUT OUR INTENTION IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW BUILDINGS TO GO ABOVE THIRTY FIVE FEET.HERE'S WHY EITHER IT'S FOR ITS TRUE FORMS FOR ITS FOUR ADDITIONAL STORY DEPENDING ON WHICH WHICH. OF THE LAND USE

[211:07] PROTOTYPES THAT WERE AND SO THAT WAS THE INTENTION BEHIND HEIGHT MAP WAS TO GET MORE NUANCE THAN OUR CURRENT. REGULATORY STRUCTURE CURRENTLY DESCRIBES SUE ZAN TALKED ABOUT A CASCADING HEIGHT COMING FROM BROADWAY OVER TO NINTH STREET IS THEIR PORTION IN THEIR WORRIES AND RICHES UP TO HIGHER THAN THIRTY FIVE.OTHER THAN BROADWAYYES SO THE REST JUST WEST OF MILL VALLEY HAS THE FORCE TREES BUT HE HASN'T SAID. YES SO THAT THE ENGINE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG IT'S THE PINK AREAS OF THE MAP ARE THE ONES THAT COULD GO COULD BE FOUR STORIES.THE GREEN AREAS CAN GO ABOVE THIRTY FIVE FEET FOR SUCH REFORMS ARE ONLY THREE STORIES. AND THEN IT'S JUST THE PAVILION BUILDING WOULD BE THE ONE THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO GO UP TO FIFTY FIVE FEET. ON

[212:03] THE CRITERIA AND THE PARKING GARAGE CORRECT ENDING HIT THE AREA TO THE WEST OF THE GREEN BLOCK RATE THERE WOULD BE YET UNDER THIRTY FIVE FEET OR UNDER. FOR IT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE HELPFUL TO ADD A COLOR FOR THAT CONSISTS BECAUSE WHEN I LOOKED AT HIM LIKE SO WHAT HAPPENS THERE. ARE COLORED TO SAY FIXED MAXIMUM THREE FEET TO THE WELL KNOWN FOR THAT ONE THAT WAS JUST OK SHOW FROM HOME.OK I KNOW ARE WE READY TO MOVE ON TO THE CENTER BLOCK A LOWER PORTION THAT IS OUR STRENGTH OF THE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL THREE OR POTENTIALLY IN CIVIC. GOOD MYSTERY SO CAN I START IN THIS I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF HAVING THE COUNTY OFFICES HERE.UM I WOULD SEE THAT WHEN WE BOUGHT HIS HOUSE HIS HOUSE.THAT'S REALLY THE HOUSE

[213:10] WHEN WE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY WE BOUGHT IT FOR TWO REASONS WE BOUGHT IT FOR TWO CONSOLIDATED OR OUR OFFICES. AND IF I HAD TO ALSO HAVE HOUSING AND A LOT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN MIDDLE INCOME HOUSING AND I THINK TO TAKE THAT. UM IF YOU JUST COME UP WITH THE NUMBERS WERE LOSING WE WOULD BE LOSING AT LEAST NINETY HOUSING UNITS AND THAT IS JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE TO ME.I ERM I THINK WE COULD GET A LOT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING THERE IS A OKAY WITH IT GOING. TO FOUR STORIES HIGH AND WITH THE FLAT ROOF ALTHOUGH AT ONE AND NOT IN THE VERNACULAR BUT I WOULD WANT THAT TOP. CAP

[214:09] THAT FLAT ROOF TO BE SOMEHOW ARTICULATED IT SO IT WAS ACTUALLY BEAUTIFUL AND NOT TO SOME UGLY BOX AND UM OBVIOUSLY THAT THEY'RE LETTING PEOPLE SPEAK. TO ME TODAY SO I'M THE CAN AGREE WITH THAT AND I HAVE SEVERAL REASONS FOR THAT. ONE OF THE WING OF THE THINGS THAT GIVES ME PAS IS THE IS A LACK OF PROCESS ALIGNMENT.WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF PARTNERING ON THIS SINCE WE BOUGHT THE SITE.IN FACT THE COUNTY WAS CONSULTED ON GOING IN ON PAYING FOR IT TOGETHER AND SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT SINCE TWENTY FIFTY. YEARS SO UM AND THERE HASN'T REALLY BEEN ANY MATERIAL MOVEMENT ON EXACTLY WHAT COULD HAPPEN SO THAT GIVES ME PAUSE.I THINK UM TO LISA'S COMMENT ABOUT THE NINETY UNITS THAT AREA IS PUBLIC.HOME LAND USE AND

[215:10] STONING RIGHT NOW. SO WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH SOME SORT OF LAND USE OR RE DESIGNATION AND REZONING PROCESS WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW. AND SO IT WOULD TAKE A LONG LONG TIME AND THE LAW.A LOT OF DISCUSSION. UM AND I'M AFRAID OF TWO THINGS ONE IS THAT. WHAT ONE THING FOR TWO REASONS. THAT WE WOULD NOT GET THAT MADE UNITS BECAUSE SO MUCH TIME WITH THE LAUGHS THAT THE ESCALATION COSTS WOULD GIVE US YOUR UNITS AND HOME AND THE OTHER BEING THAT. WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET THAT TO BEGIN WITH BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL AND UPSIDE.SO THOSE THE TWO REASONS ON THAT ONE UM I WAS ALSO IT WAS GOOD TO HEAR THAT THE COUNTY IS EXPLORING SEVERAL OTHER

[216:00] SITES.SO UM SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT IT REALLY. MEAN THEY'RE STILL WITH THE ENDING LET'S LET'S GIVE HER SOME OF THE CITY'S NEXT. SHOW I'M GOING TO BE DISAGREEABLE. AND STATED I AM INTRIGUED WITH THE IDEA OF HAVING THE COUNTY ON THAT SITE PARTICULARLY THE KINDS OF USES THAT IT IS ENTERTAINING RICH OR. THE HEALTH ASPECTS AND CLEAR CASE FOR IT BEING CLOSER TO THEIR OTHER OFFICES IS A GOOD ONE.THEY BECAUSE IT'S A COUNTY OFFICE THERE.THEY SERVED THE CITY IS WELL AND SPECIFICALLY IN THOSE KINDS OF USES I THINK THEY'RE VERY IMPORTANT THEIR CROSS ACROSS THE STREET ON ALPINE IS THE NEW MENTAL HEALTH FACILITY.UM SO I WOULD THINK IT WOULD WORK SYNERGISTIC LEE

[217:00] WITH THAT AND AM AGAIN IT'S AS HAS BEEN POINTED OUT ABOUT THE SYRIA FOR OFFICES.THERE'S ALL THAT RANCID BROADWAY AND EASY WAY FOR PEOPLE TO REACH AT WHO MAY NOT HAVE THE MEANS.OTHERWISE TO GET THERE AND SO I'D LIKE TO SEE IS PROCEED WITH LOOKING AT THAT. AND IF THEY'RE NINETY MORE HOUSES THEY COULD GO ON THERE WHAT IS THE OVERALL DENSITY PROJECTED FOR THIS AREA.I HAD THOUGHT THAT ENTITY WAS ONE OF THE HOT TOPIC ISSUES AND THAT IF IT'S NINETY AND AT WHAT WOULD IT BE FOR THE REST OF IT. IS THERE AN ANSWER TO THAT AND MAKING THIS AND OTHERS ARRANGE TO BRING SIS CINDY JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND ARE YOU ASKING WHAT'S WHAT IN THE DENSITIES OF THESE VARIOUS LAND USES.IF IT WEREN'T FOR THAT

[218:00] PARTICULAR PARCEL WERE USED FOR OFFICES BECAME HOUSING AND IT BECAME HOUSING HOW WOULD THAT THEN HOW MUCH WOULD IT BE FOR THE TOTAL AREA IN TERMS OF HOUSING REJECTED.YES SO IT'S A DIFFERENCE OF ABOUT NINETY UNITS AND I CAN JUMP TO THE SLIGHT AH REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBERS IT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WITH COUNTY ARE WITHOUT PROJECTIONS OH. SO AND WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT I WOULD JUST ADD IT I REALIZE I LISTEN TO THE COUNTY. SPEECH JUST A FEW TIMES AND I REALIZED THEY'RE FAIRLY IMPRECISE AND SOME OF THEIR ANSWERS BUT I THINK IF WE WERE MORE AMENABLE.PERHAPS THEY WOULD START LOCKING SOME THINGS IN SO WE COULD ACTUALLY START DEALING WITH THEM MORE THAN NEWT REALLY JUST MY THOUGHTS. EXPRESSED INTEREST IN PARTNERING WITH THE COUNTY FROM THE FIRST TIME IT CAME UP AND I CONTINUE TO BE INTERESTED TO EXPRESS THE REASONS WELL I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL THOSE.

[219:02] AGAIN BUT WILL SAY WOULD BE CONTINGENT ON A BIGGER AFFORDABLE HOUSING PACKAGE THAN WE WOULD GET IF WE DID THIS SITE FOR HOUSING ONLY.SO IF THE COUNTY THINKS THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. TO LOCATE HERE WE HAVE A SYNERGISTIC HUMAN SERVICES SOCIAL SERVICES HUB FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS GREAT AS LONG AS TIRESOME BROADWAY SITE IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER. IT IS MORE HOUSING MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WE WOULD HAVE IF WE DID NOT PARTNER WITH. THEM AGREE WITH CINDY AND KAREN WHILE I DO AGREE THIS HAS BEEN A FRUSTRATING PROCESS MAY BE TAKEN TOO LONG.MAYBE THAT'S OUR FAULT.UM I ACTUALLY HAVE THREE CONDITIONS BUT THE BOTTOM NOT ALEX IF WE CAN GET SOME DONE HERE FOR CAMP RAIDED THE CAMP WHICH SHOULD. OCCUR THAT SOONER OR LATER SO WE CAN RELEASE THE COUNTY LET THEM GO DO SOMETHING ELSE AND SO WE COULD FOR WHAT WE DO HERE. I GREW THERE IN THE DAY THAT I THINK WE NEED WOULD ONLY WANT TO DO THIS IF WE ENDED UP WITH. AVAILABLE LAND WEST OF THE BALL FIELDS VERY

[220:00] CLEAR WEST OF THE BALL FIELDS. YIELDED MORE AND I THINK NATURALLY MORE I WOULD AND NINETY FOUR NINETY ONE IS GOING TO BE MATERIALLY MORE THAN NINETY THAT WE'RE LOSING HERE. TO NOTE THE NUMBER IS BUT IT REALLY MORE OF THE BALL FIELDS. THE SECOND IS A COMFORT WHICH I DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW THAT WE CAN SHARE THE NEW PRODUCTION. SO WE COULD BE CUT BACK AND FORTH ON WHETHER THIS IS USABLE OR NOT I KNOW THE STAFF HAD DISCUSSIONS BUT THIS WAS A SURPRISE BUT THIS QUESTION LAST NIGHT. SEEMED TO GO BACKWARDS AND UM AND THEN THIRD WE UNDERSTAND LIKE WHAT THE ECONOMICS OF THIS ARE GOING TO BE A STREET LAST BOX I WOULD WANT TO OWN. IRIS BROADWAY I DON'T WANT WANTS TO STICK LIKE A PUPPET AGREED TO AGREE THAT SOMEDAY SOMETHING TO BUILD UP THERE. AND AGREE TO AGREE THAT THE DOOR IRAQ A MESS OF ALL THIS I WANT TO OWN THAT LAND. SO THIS IS GOING TO LAND SWAP. THAT WE NEED TO CUT SORT THAT OUT PRETTY SOON TOO AND DO SOME BP SOMEBODY MONEY IF IT'S TREE A PLANT SWAP OKAY IT'S INTERESTING. THAT THEY'RE EXPECTING US TO PAY YOU KNOW A LOT OF MONEY BUT I GUESS I'D LIKE TO COME TO KNOW THAT SOONER RATHER THAN

[221:00] LATER BECAUSE. I DON'T WANT TO DO OUR DILIGENCE ON. NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS AND PARKING GARAGES AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND FIND OUT THEY HAVE AN EXPECTATION OF BIG FAT CHECK THE MONEY THAT WE DON'T HAVE SO I THINK IT'S WORTH EXPLORING.UM LIKE TO EXPLORE FASTER THAN WE ARE RIGHT NOW I LIKE TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE PROCESS EDITION OF THE MINES AND UM I THINK THAT TOO.I THINK THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN FAIR TO THE STAFF OF ACCOUNTING FOR THAT EXCEPT THE CITY THAT I THINK WE HAVEN'T PROVIDED ADEQUATE ERECTION.I LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT THE WORKING GROUP CONSISTING OF CITY STAFF AND SKY STUFF OF COURSE TO THE ONE STRUCTURE TO DO THE WORK. WE HAVE A WORKING GROUP THAT ALSO INCLUDES ELECTED OFFICIALS TO SUGGEST TO MEMBERS OF THIS BODY I DON'T CARE WHO DID NOT NEED ME TO TWO MEMBERS OF THE SPOTTY. AND A COUNTY COMMISSIONER AMY PUTS THE CITY STAFF AND CUTTING STAFF. ON A REGULAR BASIS LIKE EVERY OTHER WEEK FOR LONG IT TAKES TO BOTTOM OUT THESE THINGS ERIN I INSTEAD HAVE TALKED ABOUT. LET'S FIND OUT SOMETIME THE NEXT FEW WEEKS MAY OR MAY BE BEYOND THIS TIME FROM USF SIX IT OUT.LET'S FIND OUT SOON WITH

[222:02] THIS GOOD WORK OR NOT DOES NOT WORK THAT WE SHOULD RELEASE THE COMING WHAT CAN GO PURSUE OTHER OTHER OPTIONS. IF IS GOING TO WORK IN THE BEACON IN THE SNOW THAT MOUSSAOUI CAN ZONE THIS APPROPRIATELY AND START PLAYING FOR. YOU KNOW LOOKING AT BROADWAY'S CAN REQUIRE SOME DUE DILIGENCE BY STEPHEN IRISH AND WE WILL JUST HAVE OUR FINGERS BUT. I'D LIKE TO ACCELERATE THIS DECISION PROCESS BECAUSE IT FEELS GOOD TO LOOK TO ME IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY TWO OR THREE. MONTHS WE HAVE COUNTY FOLKS THAT COME VISIT US AND WE ARE THE SAME THING AND WE'LL MAKE A DECISION SO LIKE TO MAKE IT. WHAT THEY NEED TO MAKE A DECISION WELL I DON'T STILL HAVE SEVEN SITES SO WE COULD HELP THEM AND GIVE THEM TWO SIX EIGHT. ONLY BLAME I JUST I JUST WANTED TO HAVE A GOOD PROCESS MOVE FORWARD.OUR NARRATOR EVEN MORE WITH BOB. AND CINDY ON THIS BUT I'VE GOT A LOT RESERVATIONS AND MY RESERVATIONS INCLUDE NOT ONLY THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN LISTED SO FAR WHICH ARE REAL AND IMPORTANT. BUT ALSO HOW

[223:00] MUCH MORE PROCESS ARE WE BUYING OFF THE IRISH BROADWAY. SO LET'S GET THE HOUSING DONE PRONTO BIKE. THE RANGES IS TOO BIG TO EVEN GO RIGHT BECAUSE IT COULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL AND COULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL LOSS AND TO PUSH WE DON'T WANT TO DO. SO BECAUSE OF ALL THAT PROCESS WERE WERE HANDING THE NEXT COUNCIL FORMED ONE AFTER THAT POTENTIALLY YOU KNOW. IN THE NECK TO GET THROUGH AND SO IT'S GOING TO BE LAND USE CHANGE ZONING CHANGE AMERICA TO GET THROUGH ALL THAT SO I JUST.IN ADDITION TO THE OTHER

[224:04] ONES I THINK. I LIKE YOUR IDEAL WORK AND OR EITHER WAY I THINK THAT'S THAT'S A WAY TO LIGHT A FIRE UNDER THIS PROCESS TO SAY. THE GOAL WAS TO COME TO A DECISION SO I DON'T REALLY WANT TO FORECLOSE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE KNOW ALL OF THE THINGS THAT COULD BE PROBLEMATIC. BUT IF IT'S A WIN IF WE GET PAST THAT FIRST HURDLE THAT SAYS WE CAN GET THAT LAST THIRTY OR FORTY HOUSES.ERIN WE KNOW THAT WE WILL GET AT LEAST THAT ADDITIONAL ENCLOSURE HOUSING ZONING WORTH OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.MAYBE YOU CAN PUSH FOR MORE SINCE IT'LL BE OUR SITE. THAT I AM WILLING TO EXPLORE BUT BUT IT NEEDS TO GO FASTER AND SO THIS SIGNAL IS A SIGNAL THAT WE'RE INTERESTED AND SO LET'S GET ON IT. CAN JUST MAKE A COMMENT LINKING THE SAID LAST NIGHT VERY CLEARLY IS THEY DON'T WANT THE COUNTY SITE HERE AND THAT WITH THE ONE IT WAS HOUSING AND WEIGHT AND SHAPE THE FLOOR.AND I WOULD ALSO FREE NOW.THEY POINTED

[225:13] OUT TO US AND THE LAST TIME THEY CAME THEY NEEDED THREE HUNDRED AND SOME PARKING UNITS AND THAT IS A HUGE DEAL AND IT'S THE WINNINGS JONATHAN. JAMES E U KNOW E HE SAID DOWNTOWN LEE OF A CULTURE WHERE THIRTY PERCENT. OF PEOPLE DRIVE TO WORK YET THE WHOLE CULTURE AT THE BROADWAY SANG COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WHEN MOST OF THE PEOPLE. DRIVE TO TO THAT SITE WHICH MAKES NO SENSE AND IT IT'S LIKE IF WE BEGIN TO ADD ANOTHER STORY.PARKING ON OUR PARKING STRUCTURE THAT I MEAN THAT'S CHEAPER CAPABLE OF DOING THAT THAT I THINK IT COMPLETELY GOES AGAINST THE GRAIN OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.I WOULD ALSO SAY AND WE GOT A LETTER FROM STEPHEN LONG TODAY WHO OWNS THE IDEAL SHOPPING CENTER.

[226:04] SAYING YOU KNOW HE WANTS TO SEE WORKER SAID HE SHOPPING CENTER BE ABLE TO HAVE A FIVE MINUTE WALK TO. THE CROSS THE STREET FROM GROCERY FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES FOR PHARMACY FOR GIFT SHOP FOR COFFEE FOR ALL KINDS OF THINGS AND UM. AND YOU CAN CATCH THE IRISH TO BROADWAY AND SO I DON'T AND IF THE COUNTY WAS DEAD. INTERESTED HE WOULD HAVE TO DO TO GOD NOT THE POP EYED THIS POINT AND THEY HAVING AN EFFECT THAT THEY ARE STILL LOOKING AT SEVEN SITES. ARE JUST STRINGING US ALONG AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO THOSE PRICES OR TWO AND A WHOLE ESCALATION COSTS THAT COULD HAPPEN COULD OCCUR ON. WHAT WE WANT IT BUILT HERE IN TERMS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING THE REGION BEEN. THINKING ON THE I THINK

[227:01] IT'S WORTH EXPLORING THE END I SEE THAT WITH THIS PLAN SET UP IS IT PRESERVES THE OPTION AND I THINK. WE GIVEN THE POTENTIAL AT IRIS AND BROADLY WE'D BE CRAZY NOT TO LOOK UNDER THE HOOD. AND I WILL SAY THIS SINCE I GET TO WORK IN WITH BUREAUCRACIES IN MY DAY JOB AND MY EVENING JOB THAT. I THINK THIS THIS THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN CLUMSY BUT IT'S CLUMSY WATCHING BUREAUCRACY STUCK TO EACH OTHER. AND I DON'T THINK WE WOULD EXPECT THE COUNTY DO DUE DILIGENCE AND TWO WE GAVE THEM AN INDICATION YES WE'RE JUST TO GO DO IT. AND SO I THINK THAT THAT IS WHAT'S BEING WAY FOR IT BUT EVERYTIME WE TALK ABOUT IT WILL LIKELY SEND A LOT OF MIXED MESSAGES.SO I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE WHAT FEELS LIKE IT'S TAKING FOREVER BUT NOW I THINK IT COULD BE A WONDERFUL SYNERGY HERE. IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT THEN SO BE IT BUT I THINK WE'D BE REMISS NOT TO LOOK FOR.SO I GUESS

[228:03] THAT'S WHY MATT LOOKS LIKE THE IDEA THAT WORKING AND I THINK MICHELLE SAID LAST NIGHT THAT. THEY COULD FAST TRACK THIS IS WELL IF THEY GOT A SIGNAL THAT IT WOULD BE WORTH YOUR TIME. TODAY I TALKED TO BOTH MICHELLE AND TO LEASE TODAY AND THEY'VE COMMITTED TO ME AT LEAST THAT IF WE WORK IN GROUPS. AND PURSUE THAT THEY WOULD WORK AT OUR. CAR FOR SPEED OR AGENDA OR SCHEDULE SO I JUST I KNOW THEY'RE IN YOUR SKEPTICAL AND I GUESS WE'LL HAVE SOME DEGREE OF SKEPTICISM BUT I LIKED AT LEAST SOMEBODY. TO FIND OUT IF THERE'S A DEAL TO BE DONE HERE IN UTAH ONLY THE SECOND YOU AGAIN.WELL I'M NOT A MYSTICAL SAY THAT I'M NOT OPTIMISTIC IT OUT THAT WE DO HAVE ANOTHER HEARING AND PUBLICLY IN. WEDGES ONE MAKE ONE MORE COMMON AND WHEN THE WIND OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY CONCERNS ME IS THAT WERE SAYING WERE TRADING OUT NINETY UNITS POTENTIALLY ALL AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND HOME FOR WHAT WERE SAYING WOULD BE TO BE MORE THAN THAT AT IRIS AND BROADWAY.SO WE'RE GOING

[229:08] TO BE STARTING. RIGHT OUT OF THE CHUTE SAYING WE WON ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY UNITS OR WHATEVER YOU KNOW AND THAT NEVER FLIES REAL WELL WITH THE . JUST STARTING OUT RIGHT RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE SAYING THIS IS WHAT'S GOING HAPPEN AND SO THAT GIVES ME CONCERN AND THAT'S JUST FROM WATCHING HOW THE COMMUNITY WORKS.IT'S NEVER GOOD TO READ OTHERS SHOOT SAY THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO BUT I ALSO THINK BEING HERE WE ARE A LOT OF DISAGREEMENT ABOUT THAT FOUR STORY. BUILDING LAST NIGHT SO JUST KEEP IN MIND ON THIS SITE.IT'S ALSO CONTROVERSIAL THEY SAID THAT WE ARE A LOT PEOPLE NOT HAPPY ABOUT THE FOUR STORY BUILDING IN YOUR STORY WHETHER IT'S COUNTY OR TO SEEING YOU SAD. LIKE IT IF YOU THINK THAT ALPINE BALSAM HAS BEEN A

[230:00] NIGHT ON SAY A HURRICANE.I CAN ASSURE YOU WHEN WE GO WE'RE ANYBODY GOES TO IRIS PAULSON IT'LL BE ANOTHER FIVE YEARS OF PLANNING. A BOMB CYCLE I WOULD TAKE A LONG TIME WE HAVE TO BE DELIBERATE AND YES IM AIMING TO RAISE AN EXCELLENT POINT.WE COULDN'T WE COULDN'T GO IN SAYING IT HAS TO BE. UNDER NINETY UNITS AND THEN BOOM IT GOES VERY BADLY SO I THINK TO BOB'S POINT IS THAT YOU TAKE THE BALL FIELDS OUT RIGHT. DON'T MISS THE BALL FIELD A LOOK AT WHAT'S LEFT IF HE SAW THE DIAGRAM THE COUNTY THROUGH LAST NIGHT. AT RANGES OF UNITS AND THEY DID A GOOD JOB OF STARTING LOW DENSITY UP TO THE NORTH NEXT TO JASON FOR US AND THEM. GETTING MORE INTENSE AS THEY GET UNDER WAY IN SO IF YOU IF YOU IF YOU DO THAT MORE AND MORE CAREFUL DETAIL WHERE YOU SAY. HERE

[231:02] ARE SOME POTENTIAL USING THOSE PRINCIPLES BUT WITH THE RANGE AND BOTH THE BOTTOM AND UPPER END OF THE RANGER ACCEPTABLE ALTHOUGH YOU MIGHT FOR THE UPPER INTERMEDIATE MIDDLE. AND THAT'S THE APPROACH TO CRAP LIKE THIS SAYING THAT TRICK NEVER WORKS OF SIN.SO ONE THING I WOULD SAY IS WE HEARD. MUCH OF THE FIRST EARLY FEEDBACK THAT WE HEARD FROM THE . WAS THAT THEY PREFERRED OFFICE HERE. TO RESIDENTIAL WERE REALLY CONCERNED WITH THE HIGH NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND THAT THEY EXPECTED THIS TO BE MORE OFFICE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE EXPRESS WE BOUGHT IT. AND I GUESS ANOTHER THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR A LOT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING HERE WE CAN DO WHAT WE DID.POLLARD RATE AND SO WE'RE GOING TO USE SOME MARKET RATE AND WILL CONSIDER THE COUNTY TO BE A MARKET RATE PARTNER NOTES CAN INVOLVE LAND AS WELL. AND

[232:00] THEN WE'VE GOT THIS HUGE HIT ON BROADWAY THAT. WHATEVER WE DECIDE WE'D LIKE TO BE WE MIGHT HAVE A MARKER A PARTNER DEVELOP THAT AND USE THAT TO FIND. AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL SLOTS SO. I FEEL LIKE THIS IT CAN BE LIKE POLLARD REARRANGE IT AND WE DO OUR JOB THAT'S WHY THE BLOCKS ARE REALLY NICE THAT'S THE THING WE DID. POLLARD WAS MADE FOUR BLOCKS. SHOULD WE ASK OR THAT THEN TCHER.HERE HE LOOKS BORED I THINK EVERYBODY.YES YOU HEARD FROM OUR DIRECTOR WAS A TEEN SERVICES.I AGREE WITH SAM.I THINK IN WITH THE DIFFERENT BLOCKS OF HOUSING YOU CREATE ENOUGH HOUSING TO GET ENOUGH RESOURCES TO GET SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENTS ON THERE. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DID THIRTY FROM PAROLE AS WELL SO I FIGURED OUT WHAT WHAT MARKET YOU NEED TO SUPPORT THAT. KORVER ALSO

[233:04] THROUGHOUT THE THIS IS A CITY OWNED SITE WE WANT TO GET THE KIND OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT WE DON'T ALWAYS GET. UP OR SHIP IT BE GREAT OUT HERE TO TAKE ADDITIONAL READ IT PROBABLY ADDITIONAL RESOURCES FOR THAT AS WELL.WE MAY WANT TO PUT ADDITIONAL RESOURCES ON THIS SITE TO GET THE KIND OF IN DIVERSITY OF CUT OF FOUR BY HOUSING THAT WE WANT TO ASK IT TO SOAK UR ERM.USUALLY WHEN WE ARE ONLY DON'T OWN A SITE AND WE WANT TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IN THE PAST HE SAID SOMETHING LIKE YOU KNOW TO FOR EVERY ONE. AFFORDABLE UNIT MAY BE REACTIVE THREE MARKET UNITS IN ORDER TO MAKE THE MONEY THAT'S CORRECT AND MAKE IT MORE. BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE WE ACTUALLY PHONED THE END SO THAT SHOULD BE SOME KIND. OF BONUS OR

[234:00] SOMETHING AND THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD GET FOR EVERY TWO AFFORDABLE UNITS WEEK IT JUST TO MARKET IN NATURE. AND I CAN DO THE MATH THAT WE WOULD GET BECAUSE WE OWN THE LAND HERE.WE DID GET A LOT MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THIS SITE. AND AS HE JUST SAID DIFFERENT TYPES OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING SO WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO LOOK AT MIDDLE INCOME HOUSING WHICH HAVE BEEN WORSE FOR SKIT WHAT. THIRTY FIVE HUNDRED BY TWENTY THREE FIVE SEVEN LOOK SO SO THAT'S CORRECT HOWEVER THE LAND DOES HAVE A VALUE THE CITY PAID VALUE FOR. US COUNCIL WOULD NEED TO MAKE A DECISION OF IF YOU WANT TO GET VALUE OUT OF THAT LAND OR NOT OR IF YOU INVEST ALL THAT INTO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IT ALL COMES TO THE ECONOMICS OF THE PROJECT AND HOW YOU STRUCTURE THE AIR. IS SUPER JUST REAL QUICKLY I MENTION ABOUT OWNERSHIP HOUSING TO ONE THINGS WE HAVEN'T SEEN A REALLY LONG TIME IT'S THE HOLIDAY MODEL OF INTER MIXED. AFFORDABLE AND MARKET

[235:08] RATE OWNERSHIP HOUSING WOULD THAT BE A POTENTIAL OPTION HERE LIKE SAYING THAT WESTERN BLOC. THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE PLACE THAT WE WOULD IMAGINE THERE. ARE NO REGULATORY HURDLES ARE FOR TAX COLLECTORS AND NOW THIS GREAT TRIP TO DAKAR MYSELF FOR A QUICK MAYBE WE CAN EVEN USE THEM PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM AT THE SLIGHTEST. THANKS OKAY WELL I GUESS WE HAVE COMPLETED OUR TOUR OF THE FIVE BLOCKS AND IF WE CAN JUST JUMP IN REALLY QUICK OR RELATED TO THE COUNTY CRITERIA. WHAT WE WERE HEARING AS. A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE INTERESTED IN CONTINUING TO EXPLORE THAT FIRST BULLET WHERE IT SAYS A NET GAIN OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT WOULD BE SOMEWHERE CLOSER TO THE MATERIALLY MORE HOUSING.

[236:03] IRIS AND BROADWAY ON THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY EXCLUDING THE BALL FIELDS SPECIFIC ABOUT THE HISTORIC YEAH AND AND FACTORING IN HISTORIC STRUCTURES YOU MIGHT PUT HOUSING. AND THEN I SAID I'M GONNA MAKE SURE THAT WE EITHER ARE OF THE COUNTY OF THE CIVIC HDR THREE.THAT'S THE HOM FOUR STORY ALOUD HIS. MOM IS WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE ON THAT LOW ON THE SOUTH PART OF SUNBLOCK WHEN WE LEFT THE WORKING GROUP DECIDED THAT THE FOUR STORY BUT KEEP. THE HEIGHT HEIGHT MAP FOR STURGIS TALK ABOUT THE COUNTY BUT WE KNOW IT WHETHER IT'S UM SO I THINK JEANS ASKING YOU IF THE IF WE DECIDE IT WON'T BE. A COUNTY SERVICE THERE AND IT BECOMES RESIDENTIAL IS THAT HDR WE TALKED ABOUT THE COUNTY USE BUT IF IT'S NOT THE COUNTY USE.ARE YOU WHAT ARE YOUR WHAT'S YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT RESIDENTIAL PROTOTYPE THAT WE'VE OUTLINED FOR THAT SITE AND DOES SET HERE FOR STORAGE IN FORESTRY.SO IF I COULD JUST SAY I WOULD GO FOR FOUR STORIES.ERM IF YOU LOOK

[237:12] ACROSS THE STREET TO THE SOUTH ON NORTH YOU HAVE FOUR STORIES IN ACTUALLY. WE ESTIMATE THE NEIGHBORS LAST NIGHT AND I THINK THE NEIGHBORS ARE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED SOME BALSAM AND SO I THINK THEY'RE. PROBABLY OK GOING TO FOUR STORIES WILL CUT UP INTO THE ISSUE ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S A HIGH DEGREE OF AFFORDABLE TO THEM.WELL FOR ME AT BLINN IT LIKE A HUGE MAJORITY OF AFFORDABILITY AND ALSO COULD SOMEBODY TELL ME WHAT IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE INDIVIDUAL BLOCK ON WEAKER. WEEK ITS TWO ACRE

[238:00] SITE ABOUT NINETY THOUSAND SQUARE FEET WOULD YOU SAY AND THAT'S FOR THE ENTIRE CENTER BLOCK IS THAT CORRECT CALL ON HER SON.I JUST GROSS WITH OUTSPOKEN MONEY FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. WITHOUT THE STREETS AND THEY WERE LOOKING ABOUT TWO ACRES OR NINETY THOUSAND SQUARE FEET MUCH OF THE CONNECTIONS AND A LITTLE BIT LESS IN THAT. SHOW THEY MEAN THE COUNTY WHEN THEY CAME TO THE HALF TO HAVE. ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY THOUSAND SQUARE FEET IT SOUNDS LIKE ANOTHER GROUP WERE DEALING WITH ARMED TO THE SOUTH BUT SORI U TOT MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD PART EIGHT THE PINK BOX REACHED THERE ONLY.THAT'S ABOUT AN ACRE HE SAID OH SO THAT'S FORTY FIVE THOUSAND SQUARE FEET AND THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE SETBACKS FOR STREETS AND THE FOUR TERM. THE CONNECTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT UM IT WOULD BE PRETTY DIFFICULT TO GET ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY THOUSAND SQUARE FEET IN THEIR RIGHT. IT'S IF IT'S A TIGHT FIT BUT THERE THEY WOULD BE A FOUR STORY BUILDING WITH THEIR FLOOR TO CEILING HEIGHT SAID

[239:00] TYPICALLY NEED ON A COMMERCIAL BUILDING. BUT THERE IS THE SPACE IN THERE TO GET THE SIDEWALKS WE THINK THE SETBACK BEHIND THE SIDEWALK AND LANDSCAPING THAT TYPE OF THING WE WOULD WORK THAT OUT.DO YOU KNOW DOING THEIR SAVIOR AND MAKE SURE THAT'S SOME OF THE REASON WHEN WE OUTLINE THAT URBAN DESIGN PLAN. WHAT WE OFFER THE REALM THROUGH THERE WHO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THAT YOU GET TO THEM.ONE IS JUST A QUICK QUESTION IS THAT THE PARCEL THAT THE MOBILITY MOBILITY HUB WAS SHOWN AND IT'S RATED IT'S JUST WEST OF THAT SISSY. LITTLE RED DOT IS A MATTER IT'S NOT A CANDIDATE NOT SQUARE FOOTAGE TWO TO SET ASIDE ITS ABOUT THE PERFECT AMOUNT OF LEFTOVER SPACE TO OK THING. TO KEEP THE AIR AND SO. MANY PARCELS LARGER THAN ITS ONLY MAKER WM NINETY UNITS AN ACRE. FROM OUR

[240:00] RESIDENTIAL TEST FITS WE LOOKED AT ABOUT WEEK IN A ROUGHLY NINETY EIGHT NINETY UNITS CAN YOU GIVE EXAMPLES LIKE SOMETHING ELSE IN TOWN THE ZAMBIAN STRIKER TO SECOND. HER HEAD THAT'S DIFFICULT BUT HAVE TO LOOK IT UP AND SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE NOTICE OF HAND FROM STAFF BUT. I COULD GET BACK TO WHICH EACH TWENTY THIRD AND SPRUCE IS ABOUT ERM FORTY FIVE TO FIFTY UNITS PER ACRE AND THAT TO ME TO THINK ONLY THREE STORIES.SO IN THE LAND USE PROTOTYPES BOB. THIS HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL THREE ORANGE STAR AND THE GRAPHIC BELOW AND THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF MAYBE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IT'S THE SCIENCE RECKON. IT'S I THINK LIKE PAUL SUPPER RITA'S DIAGRAM THAT HE SHOWED. HIM WITHIN THAT SAME BUILDING FORM YOU CAN GET OVER RATED AND CITIES. IN THE SAME MASS AND SCALE SO WHEN WE ARE ESTIMATING D USE PER ACRE WE PICKED AN AVERAGE OF A THOUSAND BECAUSE I COULD COVER FAMILY SIZE UNITS TO ON. TO EFFICIENCIES AND IT

[241:05] WAS JUST A GOOD AVERAGE ACROSS THE BOARD WANTED TO GET BOOKS LIKE THAT. JUST DO THE MATH OR SO FORTY THREE THOUSAND FT TREE CAN LOOSE THE MOST OFTEN THAN CHER WAS LIKE UH SO I MEAN THAT'S THAT'S. YOU CAN GET A THOUSAND FEET IN THE NINETEEN NINETY TO NINETY THOUSAND TWO. HUNDRED AND SIXTY THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AND SELL MILLIONS MORE IN THE PROTOTYPE WE TALK ABOUT A SORT OF SIXTY TO NINETY SO NINETIES EARLY IN THE OTHER EDGE. CAN USE THE PROTOTYPE WE DESCRIBE THIS AS ABOUT SIXTY TO NINETY. K SO NINETIES PROBABLY AT THE UPPER EDGE AND A SHORTER SEVEN FLEXIBILITY IN THEIR MIX OF UNITS WERE IN THAT BUILDING. EXERCISES AND EXERCISES GIVES US SOME OF THEM GIVES US SOME WORKING ROOM IN THE EFFICIENCY OF THE BUILDING THE CIRCULATION SPACES. AND OTHER THINGS WHEN WE DID THE FIT TEST THE KIND OF PLAN FOR SOME OF THAT DATE. YOU KNOW UNTIL YOU GET INTO THE TEMPLE TO THE DESIGN YOU YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW.

[242:02] WHAT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF THE REQUESTS A GOOD DEAL OF THE COUNTY A SUBJECT IN MORE THAN WE CAN PUT THEIR. BIG RANGE BETWEEN SIXTY AND NINETY KS THE WALKWAY FROM THE OVER THE COUNTY BECAUSE WE'D ONLY GET ONE HUNDRED.IT TURNS OUT THAT WE COULD APPOINT A SIX TO HEAR THAT THAT WOULD BE KIND OF IMPORTANT INFORMATION.I THINK THE WORKING GROUP SHOULD IT COME TO PASS WILL HAVE TO WORK WITH PLANNING TO REALLY. GET YOUR RECEIPT BOUGHT MISS OUT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD LIKELY GO HERE YOU KNOW WHAT MAKES SENSE FROM A MARKET PERSPECTIVE WHAT WOULD GO HERE.THIS ORGAN OF THE LECTURE APARTMENTS THAT WERE ALL THREE THOUSAND SQUARE FEET FLAT FIELD AND CLASS SO. WE CAN FORGET THAT MARTY TELL THAT I'M SOO GOING IN AND TAKES ME BACK TO THE DENSITY QUESTION I ASK EARLIER.IT ALSO HAD TO DO WITH HIS LOT WITH OR WITHOUT. OVERALL ARM WITH THOSE WITH THE SET OF LAND USES ON THE CITY SIDE IF BOULDER COUNTY ISN'T ON THE SITE THEN IT'S TOO TENDER TO SIXTY.IF

[243:07] THE BOULDER COUNTY FACILITY WERE THERE WE WERE ESTIMATING A RANGE OF ONE TWENTY TO ONE SEVENTY ON THE CITY SIDE. SO IT'S A TOTAL BUILT UP LIKE NINETY UNIT SAID HE WOULD LOSE ON THE WHOLE SITE. YET THAT'S WHAT I THINK BOB WAS JUST GETTING OUT WITCHES AND EXAMS ARE SET TO NONE THAT JUST BLOCK. THE NINTH KNOW WHICH JUST BE ON THE BLOCK AND IF YOU LOOK AT THAT DELTA FLIGHTS YET IT'S ABOUT NINETY SIX TO NINETEEN. SIXTY TO NINETY BASED ON THE LAND USE PROTOTYPE SO WHAT I WAS HEARING WAS THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER THING THAT THAT WORKING GROUP COULD FLUSH OUT IS REALLY WHAT STUFF WE SAY SUBSTANTIAL MORE.WHAT'S THAT WHAT'S THE MORE WHAT'S THE NUMBER. WILL HAVE TO DO SOME SHORT ESTIMATES ON. IN A WAY TO COUNTY PROPERTY AS WELL EVEN IF THEY'RE JUST HIGH LEVEL KIND OF KNOW A FEW DIFFERENT BUILDINGS AND YOU KNOW WHAT YOU COULD LOOK LIKE SO IT'S FOR THE FUTURE.HE TOO CAN WE DO A TIME OR I'M SORRY YOUR URINE.I JUST WANT TO SEE

[244:12] REAL QUICKLY THAT THAT. JUST THE FOUR STORY WORKS HERE I THINK BECAUSE YOU'RE FACING AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL SO THAT YOU'RE FACING THE NON RESIDENTIAL USES ON THE SOUTH SIDE. AND IT IS TO THE NORTH WRITES THE MOST YOU USE ARE OFF THAT WAY. BUT ONE THING I DON'T KNOW WHO WAS IN THE IN THE HEIGHT THING ABOUT THE INSTILL A DESIRE FOR SOME VARIATION IN REFORM. IT SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S IN THERE BECAUSE SO GOOD YOU KNOW A LITTLE BIT OF SETBACK OR ARE SOME TROOPS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.I THINK WOULD HELP WITH BUILDING PEOPLE CAN ASK THE QUESTIONS THAT SO IF YOU DID.ERM ISSUE TIME FOR STORIES WITH NET GO. HIGH WITH DECO BECAUSE HIS OFFICE BUILDING DON'T THEY PUT WITH YOUR TEMPLATE ON THE FIRST TO SAY YOU KNOW IT MIGHT TAKE YOU FROM. A FORTY FOUR TO

[245:06] FORTY FEET AT THE FLEET WE SET UP TO FIFTY FIVE IT. WAS THREE STORIES THE TRUTH AND THEN FOR THE SOLE AREA OF FALL HERE SO WE'RE GOOD WITH THE COLORS ON THE MAPS FOR THE CITY OWNED PROPERTIES. ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION SO THERE ARE FEW QUALIFIERS THAT YOU GUYS ADDED THAT WE CAN WORK INTO THE DESCRIPTION AND THE DRAFT PLAN.OK WE'VE RESPONDED TO THE PLANNING BOARD'S GOVERNMENT THAT SUPPORTED WHAT ELSE IN IRELAND AND THE REST OF WHAT WE'RE HEARING THOSE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OWNED SITE.NO MA'AMOH YEAH THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD POINT TO REAL QUICK THE CITY OWNS TWO ADDITIONAL PARCELS. JUST SOUTH OF THE BRENTON BUILDING YOU CAN SEE THE CURSOR HERE AND ON OF THE POINTER ON.WE'RE ASSUMING

[246:03] THAT WE WOULD INCLUDE ACTORS THAT CITY OWNED LAND THAT WE ARE ENVISIONING WOULD HAVE A FUTURE LAND USE AN AREA PLAN OF MIXED USE. SO THAT IT WOULD RETAIN THE OPPORTUNITY IF WE WANTED TO SELL THOSE THEY COULD BE SOLD WITH THAT INTENTION.SO MAYBE A QUICK CHECK ON THAT.AN ECCENTRIC THAT'S FOR YOU OKAY OKAY. TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT CIRCULATION CONNECTIONS WORD THAT HER SHOES SO I THINK NEXT WE WERE THINKING WE'D GO TO URBAN DESIGN AND CONNECTIONS AT WORK WORKING OUTLETS WILL MANIFEST THE ANY RECOMMENDED CHANGES.THE ONLY CITY THAT OWES A GREAT CONNECTIONS PLANNED I'D LIKED THE PLAIN WORD SUGGESTION TO EXTEND THE MULTI USE PATH ALONG BALL SOME EAST ACTUALLY CONNECTION OAK NETWORK CONNECTIONS AND URBAN DESIGN.

[247:07] SORRY I WAS SEEING ALL THAT SAID THIS IS URBAN DESIGN IN CAME THE CONNECTIONS AND SO YOU THINK ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD THE AREA PLAN IS THIS NEWS SAYS THIRTY TWO.THANK YOUACTUALLY STARTS ON PAGE THIRTY ONE AND THERE'S A NARRATIVE THERE'S THE MAPS AND THEN THERE'S A BUNCH MORE NARRATIVE ABOUT THIS DESIGN STRATEGIES.SO JUST ASK A QUESTION IN IT TO GOOD URBAN DESIGN AND THINK. AND A CONNECTION SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHERE LIGHT TENTH STREET IS TO BE LIKE A FOREIGNER. SO IT'S A PEDESTRIAN STREET THAT'S REALLY MELLOW AND IT WOULD ADD MORE PER ME ABILITY INTO THE SITE AND I THINK PAUL SAID PRIETO ACTUALLY INCLUDED IN. IT RIGHT THERE HERE AND I LOVED HER MOVES.WE DON'T HAVE

[248:07] TIME TO MENTION THE UNITED STATES BUT THE AD REALLY NICE. PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE AND EVEN CAR SHOULD I SAY IT BUT YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TO GO REALLY SLOW AND THEY HAVE THEM ALL OVER FROM. THE NETHERLANDS THEY HAVE THEM IN GERMANY THERE ARE REALLY NICE FEATURE URBAN FEATURE AND I WOULD LIKE.I WOULDN'T WANT TO GO.WE HAVE THIS INCREDIBLE POTENTIAL FOR SITE AND I'D LIKE TO SEE A VERNA I'M NOT SAYING IT RIGHT.I DON'T SPEAK TO BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT CONSIDERED. AND I THINK ONE OF THE COMMENTS WE DID GET FROM THE IS THERE. RIGHT NOW IT FEELS KIND OF LIKE EVERYTHING. WEST OF ELEVENTH STREET IS KIND OF AN ISOLATED VILLAGE AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT OPEN UP A LITTLE MORE WITH THIS FOR ME ABILITY IN I THINK THAT. THE VERNA

[249:12] WHAT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING W O N E R F. THAT THAT WOULD OPEN IT UP CAN JUST ADD A REALLY NICE WAY FOR PEOPLE TO ACCIDENTALLY COME INTO CONTACT WITH EACH OTHER AND HAVE YOU KNOWN. CONNECTION TO OTHER THOUGHTS I WAS AT A CONCERT THE MAJORITY HERE I THINK. PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE PRO WILL NOT SLIDE I THINK WE CAN THAT. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO WITHOUT IS TO TAKE IT BACK TO OUR STAFF AND KIND OF GIVE A LITTLE BIT. JUST LIKE IT TO BE CONSIDERED EACH THIRTY TO THIRTY TWO. OUT OF THE NOTES PAGE THIRTY TWO OF THE TROUBLE OF PACKING NOT THE DRAFT PLAN TO ADDRESS HERE AND SORRY IT'S. IN RIGHT NOW IT IS IS IT'S JUST A

[250:00] PATHWAY AND MY CONCERN IS SET JUST THE PAST THREE. YEARS IN HIM JUST THOSE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON EITHER SIDE TO IT'LL BE LESS AND MORE PRIVATE AND SITE. WHICH WHICH TREES HAVE THE TENT IS SOUTH OF THE ALPHAS THIS ONE OR THAT OR THE RED CURTAIN OH I'M SORRY I ACTUALLY I WOULD PREFER THAT CARLOS CORREA LESS CAR LESS.SO I MEAN I THINK HAVING HAVING THAT BE. JUST THE STYLE YOU DESCRIBED BUT EXCLUDING CARS WOULD CAUSE YOU DON'T DO DO ALL THE PARKING THIS IS FOR IS FURTHER EAST. AND JUST LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE KIDS RUNNING AROUND YOU JUST READ ONE OF THE ST.BOERNE AND YES I MEAN A THING. BUT IT JUST THE EDGES FROM A KIT THAT JUST WHEN YOU HAVE ONE OF US ARE BETTER THAN CARS GOING FAST BUT. HAVE NEW CARS IS EVEN BETTER MANY KIDS AROUND BUT ELEVEN STREET COULD HAVE THE CHANCE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A BURN OF AND CONSIDERED HAS AGED AND WEATHERED TENTH STREET ELEVENTH STREET.I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BUT IF WE

[251:00] LEAVE TENTH ST.I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY CAN WALK THROUGH THERE AS WELL AND MAKE IT A SPACE. SO AARON COULD YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND JUST A LITTLE BIT OF TENTH STREET IS NOT. UM IT'S BETWEEN TWO PRIVATE PROPERTIES IT LEASES TALKING ABOUT THE EQUIVALENT OF TEN STUDY THAT RIGHT THERE THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T GET IT FOR SYRIA. IT'S NOT ACTUALLY TEN STREETS THAT YES THAT IS IN BED AND TEND TO DISCARD US RIGHT NOW IT IS GOOD IS MAKING A CASE FOR. AMERICA BUT SOMEWHERE ELSE IS FINE TO SHIMMER IN IT SOMEWHERE ELSE IS FINE BUT I DON'T NEED TO JUST BE PRIDE EITHER AND IT LOOKS LIKE IN ST.LET PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY CAN WALK THROUGH.YES THERE WERE A FEW GOALS RIGHT NEXT TO THE PLAZA.I MEAN YOU CAN MAKE AN

[252:03] ARGUMENT THAT BEING CAR FREE AS WELL AS OTHER THOUGHTS ON URBAN DESIGN.YES TO LOTS OF PARKS AND OPEN SPACE AND MOBILITY PLAZA NICE. IF HE AGREED THE ELECTABILITY PAS IDEA AND I KNOW THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TEBOW COULDN'T PITCH FOR A LITTLE SHUTTLE THAT RUNS FROM THE SITE TO THE TRANSIT CENTER DOWNTOWN.SO I THINK THAT THERE'S NOT GREAT EAST WEST TRANSIT HERE BUT IF YOU HAVE LITTLE CONNECTION AND BRUSH OR OTHER TIMES. I THINK TO BE A GREAT PART OF A TEAM PLANS TO GET THAT OUT THERE TO. HAVE A BUS RIDE WENT AND TOLD ANTENNA CAN GET JUST ONE HALF MILE TO THE DOWNTOWN BUS STATION. TO GO AND THE SKIN AND WALK TO PLOT. WILL EITHER SKIP OR SO BUT SOMETIMES IT'S REALLY FULL LIKE WITH THE SCHOOL KIDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. MAYBE DOESN'T GET

[253:03] ANY DOES MAKE SENSE BUT I THINK IF YOU HAVE THE TEAM OVER AT THIRTIETH AND PEARL KNOW JUST JUST JUST THE SHORT. DAY AT THE START OF LIGHTNING AND THEN BUT THE OHANA KAI TALK ABOUT THE FALSE KNOW UM YEAH CONNECTIONS ARE UP HERE.OKAY GREAT THANK YOU SUGGEST I SAY WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THIS BIG WHITE SETBACK ON BALL SOME AND THIS. CAN BE BEAUTIFUL AND WILL HAVE A MULTI USE PATH THROUGH THERE RIGHT IN THAT AREA AND THIRTEENTH STREET IS OUR GREEN STREET YOURSELF BUT MY CONNECTION SO. IF AND WHEN BOULDER MEDICAL CENTER EVER REDEVELOP LONG MAY IT LAST.I THINK HAVING MULTI USE PATH AND THE CONNECTIONS PLANNED. AARON YOU'RE SAYING THIS STRETCH FROM BROADWAY TO THIRTEENTH STREET A LONG BALL SOME.YET I THINK THAT WAS JUST THAT PLANNING BOARD WILL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AS WELL.THEY DID AND I WANT TO AGREE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE THAT WITH OUR STAFF. DOES A NIGHT

[254:00] OF NICE CONNECTION WITH THE GREEN STREET AT THIRTEENTH WE DO NOT HAVE QUITE AS MUCH RIGHT AWAY FURTHER EAST.ONCE YOU GET PAST THIRTEEN OR YOU COULD PROBABLY IMPOSE REQUIREMENTS ON THE REDEVELOPMENT REMIND THE PEOPLE TO BUILD FROM SCRATCH BUT WE OFTEN DO THAT WITH REDEVELOPING IT AGAIN IT'S. THIS TYPE OF PLAN IS ABOUT LOOKING TO THE LONG TERM FEE CHECK IT AS HEAVEN ON ST.I FED IT TO BE HAPPY IN THE STRETCH CONNECTIONS IN THAT CIRCLE SELECT CANDIDATES A KILL JOY BUT OK HOW ABOUT CONNECTIONS WITH THIS IN THIS CONNECTION BOWL.SORRY WE DID CONNECTIONS CONNECTIONS FOR GOOD WITH THE CONNECTIONS PLAN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE AXIS OF MOBILITY STRATEGY THAT WAS HAD THIS IDEA FOR SHUTTLE THE I FASTER WALK.

[255:07] AGAIN SOLEDAD SAY THE OBVIOUS IS THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF UNEASE WITH TRANSPORTATION AS IT IS NOW LITTLE ON WHEN THINGS WE DEVELOP AND SO. ON TO STATE THE OBVIOUS WHICH IS WE NEED TO PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION TO THEM.SOME ARE MORE DANGEROUS INTERSECTIONS RIGHT NEXT TO THIS SITE. THAT'S PROBLEMATIC THOUGH IS THE NICE THING IS THAT THIS PLAN HAS THE POTENTIAL TO IMPROVE THE CONNECTIONS AND SAFETY BUT MAYBE ALSO INCREASE THE VOLUME. AS MY OBSERVATION THAT IN ANY CASE SO WITH RESPECT TO. CONNECTIONS AND INTERSECTIONS SOMETHING SO PEOPLE HAVE COMPLAINED OR ARE CONCERNED ABOUT A NINE TO BALSAM. AND

[256:04] THERE SEEMS TO BE. UM I GUESS A LOT OF SOLUTIONS FROM THERE I I DON'T I HAVEN'T SEEN THE DATA TO SUPPORT THEM. AND ONE THING THAT COULD ADD A NICE URBAN ELEMENT AND THERE IS TO HAVE A TRUCK A SMALL TRAFFIC CIRCLE. SO THAT INSTEAD OF IN THAT WOULD ACTUALLY REDUCE EMISSIONS INSTEAD OF YOU KNOW THREE CARS ALL STOPPING AND WAITING TO GO IF YOU COULD HAVE A SMALL TRAFFIC CIRCLE IN THERE.I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE. ROOM IN THERE BUT WE DO OWN THE SITES AND SO. MUCH WE OWN YOU KNOW THE PARK WE SAW YOU TALKING ABOUT NINTH AND ALPINE BANK AND AWESOME THERE'S KIND OF AN ISLAND THEIR. HOME PARK THE AND THEN THERE'S THE PARK MAYBE IT'S OUT PLAYING IN BOSTON.I MEAN THEY'RE OUT PLAYING IN NINTH.

[257:00] THE PLAN THAT I WOULD LIKE AS CAN SUGGEST TRAFFIC CIRCLES THEM BOTH BUT IF I HAD TO HAVE ONE AND DO IT ON UM THEM NINTH IN THE PAY IS A CIRCLE. YUP THAT IT'S NOT A CIRCLE THAT INTERSECTION.SO ACTUALLY THE CIRCLE IS AN INDICATION MR. EDWARDS STAFFER WORKS SERVICES. THE CIRCLE IS AN INDICATION OF POTENTIAL INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS WHICH THAT WOULD FALL WITHIN. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED IN THIS CONNECTION IS PLANNED MULTIPLE INTERSECTIONS FOR POTENTIAL FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS AND CAYENNE IN A TRAFFIC CIRCLE LIKE WE HAVE DOWNTOWN. COULD BE CONSIDERED COULD CERTAINLY CONSIDER THOSE IMPROVEMENTS YOU WOULD HAVE TO LOOK HIM IN TO READ AND DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD CAUSE OTHER PROBLEMS WITH THAT PARTICULAR SOLUTION BUT THAT COULD BE EVALUATED.I THINK YOU ARE THE THOUGHTS. AND IS QUICK TO JUST SIT JUST TO CLARIFY THIS TO THE SOME PRINCIPALS WOULD MEAN THAT THERE WOULD BE FULLY SHARED PARKING BETWEEN THE OFFICE AND RESIDENTIAL USES CRACKED.

[258:00] THAT PROBABLY DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH OFFICES IF IT'S WITH KIFFIN CSN EFFORTS WITH THE COUNTY THERE WOULD STILL BE SOM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM HIM. FROM OUR OUR TRANSPORTATION STAFF AND FROM THE CONSULTANTS IS WE COULD PROBABLY SHARE ABOUT THIRTY PERCENT OF THE HOUSING NEED HOUSING HOUSING HOUSING. THE NEEDED PARKING FOR THE HOUSING. BECAUSE OF THE DAY NIGHT. KIND OF USES AND THAT THAT'S THE THING THAT JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE WORK AND IN THERE THAT PEOPLE DON'T GET THE BLOCKS THAT ARE RESERVED. FOR OFFICE AND THE PRESENCE CAN NEVER PARK THERE. BECAUSE YOU GET A HUGE CRUSH DURING THE AFFAIR BETWEEN THE DAY NIGHT ABOUT THIRTY FROM OFFICE AND RESIDENTIAL. ONE MAKE SURE WE'RE INCLUDING THAT UNITS AND THAT JUST TO. PUT A FINE POINT ON THAT WHAT IT WHAT IT REALLY IS RELATED TO THE SHARING IS. THE RESIDENTIAL CARS THAT DON'T LEAVE HER DURING THE DAY THEN OCCUPIED THE SPACE THAT WE WOULD ASSUME AN OFFICE USER WOULD USE.SO THAT'S WHERE YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU DON'T MAKE IT OVER ASSUMPTION OF THE AMOUNT OF CAR TURN OVER EACH. DAY WRITES ABOUT THEIR

[259:00] ASSUMPTIONS VERSUS NEEDING THE SPACE THAT SOMEBODY GETS ALL THE TIME OH YES THE IDEA THAT WOULD BE ON BUNDLED. IN AND THEN THE OTHER ONE JUST AS THERE'S THIS SEEMS LIKE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR REALLY AGGRESSIVE CAR SHARING. NOT JUST ONE OR TWO FROM OUR GOOD FRIEND YOU ARE SHARE BUT LIKE A POOL. BECAUSE THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE CAR LIGHT HERE SO YOU COULD HAVE FORTY OF THEM SHARED BY HUNDRED PEOPLE AND THAT THERE COULD BE A BIG WAY THAT YOU GET TO THAT POINT.EIGHT AGGRESSIVE GOALTHIS IS A BIG TOPIC FROM THE FOR THE PLANNING BOARD AS WELL THEY WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE SOME PRINCIPLES AND ALSO EXPLORING. THE IDEA OF REALLY A REQUIREMENT OF CAR FREE LIVING. IN OUR STAFF STARTED TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH THAT WAS A LINK THAT WAS PROVIDED IN YOUR MEMO ABOUT. HAVING SEATTLE AMEN THERE MAY BE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT ARE STARTING TO. ACTUALLY KIND OF A REQUIREMENT. OR SPRAY IT WITH

[260:02] THE END SOMEBODY LAST NIGHT SPOKE TO UM THEY HAVE TO SIGN A CONTRACT THAT THEY WON'T HAVE A CAR I'M MORE INTERESTED. IN BUILDING FOR CARS AND ERM I RECOGNIZE PEOPLE HAVE THEM BUT UM I THINK WE'RE WEIRD.THIS SITE IS FREE DON'T NEED A LOT OF PARKING LOTS.OK THURSYUP AND SO URBAN SERVICES WAS AGAIN THE IN THE CAN THE PLAN HE OUTLINED. A LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT SIDE WITH THE QUESTION BOB ARE. NE NE IS THERE ANY FEEDBACK ON THIS ON THE SECTION THAT DOES INCLUDE THE FLOOD MITIGATION WHICH WAS JR. ARTS AND CULTURE THAT SHOULD GO ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER. OF THE SITE THAT NE BLOCK AND I'D LOVE TO SEE A PLACE WHERE CHILDREN ALL PEOPLE ALL TRYING TO PEOPLE CAN COME AND CREATE ARE REALLY GOOD

[261:00] TOGETHER AND MAYBE THEY CAN WORK OUT.I RATHER DO THAN THERE ARE SAYING.I MEAN THERE'S I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY I GUESS FEE OF THE REC CENTER STREET BUT YET. SO THAT I THINK THE LAST SECTION WAS JUST ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN WHICH I THINK WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT ALREADY TODAY.THIS WEEK A BILL EVEN PULL OUT OF THE RABBIT OUT OF OUR LONG CONVERSATION ABT THE PATH. I'M STREAKY TALK ABOUT THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBER KAREN. BUT JUST WANTED TO STAY JUST FROM THAT THE PULLING OF THE HOUSE. WERE TALKING AT TBD RATE FOR THE NON CITY OWNED AREA BUT IF WE CAN ALSO WRITE IN THERE THAT THERE IS NO ANTICIPATED CHANGES FOR THE SHOPPING CENTERS.I THINK YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN IT ENOUGH TO PEOPLE THAT WE ARE NOT PROPELLING THINGS PRIVATE LANDOWNERS OF THE PROPELLERS.I DON'T THINK PEOPLE GET THE HINT THAT WE OWNED TO SAY THAT THE LAND AROUND.I'M SORRY I REALLY

[262:15] APPRECIATE THE STAFF CAN COME FORWARD WITH A PROPOSED PLAN. PROPOSED TIMELINE AND WE CAN WORK IT OVER AS THE PLANNING BOARD WHICH IS SOMETHING LIKE PHASING WHERE WE WERE GONE WITH THE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS FOR OUR PROPERTY AND AM IN THE FUTURE.THE NEXT COUNCIL WILL DECIDE WHAT THE PRIORITY USE FOR LAND USE CHANGES FOR THE REST. ORDERED UP A SITE PLAN FOR THE CONNECTIONS FOR THE FLAWED FOR THE URBAN SERVICES FOR EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT HIM THAT SITE PLAN PROCESS SO I THINK WE SHOULD ADOPT IT HERE SAID TYPE PLANT AREA PLANT EXCUSE ME. TO ADOPT THE AREA PLAN AND IN A SECOND PHASE OF THE CONVERSATION MIGHT BE DO YOU AGREE WITH WHAT WE HAVE ON CITY OWNED SITE. FOR THE PLANNING BOARD FOR THE JOINT MEETING WENT GREAT.HERE'S THE AREA PLAN IS

[263:09] MODIFIED BY PLANNING BOARD AND COUNCIL. AND DO YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE CAUSE FOR IT AT THAT LEVEL AND CAN U DIN COME TO THE SITE PLAN DURING THAT MEETING DE. THE CITY OWNED SITE PLAN.HOW ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT DOING. ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT ARE YOU ASKING THE QUESTION IS HOW WARD SEPTEMBER TWENTY FOURTH FLOW. WAS MAKING IT SUBJECT THERE I WAS MAKING A SUGGESTION THEN AT ABOUT SEPTEMBER TWENTY FOUR BUT WHAT YOU THINK. WHAT I'M THINKING HE IS ON SEPTEMBER TWENTY FOURTH WHAT WE WOULD BRING IS A REVISED AREA PLAN THAT IS GOING TO HAVE ON. LAND USE MAP IN IT FOR THE CITY SITE OR MONEY. AND WALL HAVE LAND USE FOR ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THE CITY SITE IT WILL HAVE CONNECTIONS IN URBAN DESIGN EXTENDS OUTSIDE THE CITY OWNED SITE. AND THEN WITH THAT WE WALK WE CAN BRING A DRAFT OF THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN YOU DON'T HAVE TO ADOPT THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. AT

[264:01] THE SAME TIME YOU SHOP AREA PLAN WILL BRING A DRAFT OF THAT THAT WOULD TALK MORE ABOUT THE PHASING FOR YOU THEN GIVE US FEEDBACK ON WHAT'S ESSENTIALLY A BOMB. WELL I GUESS WE WILL PUT STUFF IN THE CHAPTER THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN CHAPTER TYPICALLY DON'T WE BRING SOMETHING THAT'S IN MORE DETAIL IT'S ALMOST LIKE A WORK PLAN. SO WE COULD PUT TOGETHER WORDS FOR THAT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN SECTION TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S HITTING THE RIGHT TONE BASED ON THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT. DOES THAT SOUND LIKE ME AND JIM BOB AND THEN LEASE. THE REQUEST IF WE ARE GOING TO FOUR ON THE TWENTY FOURTH WOULD REQUEST THAT STAFF SIT DOWN WITH THE LEADERS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND HAVE SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH A LOT AND COMMUNICATION ALREADY BEHIND US.I DON'T ACTUALLY THINK THAT SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS BRINGING FOUR ARE INCONSISTENT WITH. THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT AND SO I JUST ASK

[265:00] THAT WE CONTINUE THAT COMMUNICATION CALL IT THE TWENTY FOURTH. AND SOME EDUCATION PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT AS YOU HAVE HELPED US UNDERSTAND THE LAST TWO NIGHTS.SOME OF THAT COULD BE SOME BABY TWEAKS.MAYBE THERE'S SOME GOOD IDEAS THAT COME OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP. MAY JUST BE FOR A MEAN WERE THERE THERE IS A DISAGREEMENT WITH THE STAFF IN A ROW BUT I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU GUYS CAN CONTINUE TO ENGAGE. WITH NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S. THE GROUPS WOULD LIKE SCI LESSON THERE ARE GROUPS LIKE SEYMOUR. AND ALL MALE GROUPS NOT JUST YOU KNOW ONE PARTICULAR GROUP SO I JUST REQUEST THAT I WOULD HAVE IS THAT WE CONTINUE TO TALK.I LIKED I'D LIKE TO GO ON LONGER SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE DETERMINED TO HAVE THE SCHOOL FOR THE TWENTY FOURTHS OF AT LEAST. I KEEP TALKING TO THEM FOR THE NEXT FOUR WEEKS WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN SO THEY EARN THE MARIN CITY SIDE AREA PLAN.IF MY UNDERSTANDING IS ARE WE GOING TO TAKE ALL THOSE SUGGESTED OR PROPOSED

[266:00] LAND USES AND TURN GRAY OR IS CERTAIN TO BE MORE DISCUSSION WITH THE EPI BUT I. WAS TRYING TO PROPOSE EARLIER THAT WEEK I NEVER CEASE TO. HAVE THAT AREA PLAN WHERE WE FOCUS ON THE CITY SAY BUT I JUST THINK THAT COMMUNITY NEEDS TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE SLAYING OF USE.I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ALL THE LAND AROUND. OUR PHASE WHATEVER FUTURE PHASE BASE THAT'S WHERE. LET US PLAY A LITTLE BIT WITH. DO WE TAKE THE DRAFT OR THAT WE HAVE NOW AND WE HAVEN'T AS OF THIS IS A FUTURE PHASE BUT HERE WAS THE IDEA AT THE TIME. OR DO WE JUST GRAB IT OUT COMPLETELY SCREW IT I'LL JUST READ OUT COMPLETELY JUST THE ON THE MAP YOU BRING IT OUT.I THINK CAPTURE SOME OF THE CONVERSATION RATE THE DESIRES OF TO MAINTAIN SOME OF THOSE THAT. I NEED A LOT OF WORK IT'S NOT LIKE IT AS IT DISAPPEARED AND I AND

[267:00] MOST WORK IN A WAY TO REFLECT THAT IN THE INN. AND THE MATERIALS AND WILL BRING IT BACK HERE.I THINK THERE COULD BE SOME EDUCATIONAL OR MORE EXPLANATION TO THE COMMUNITY OF YOU KNOW THESE OTHER ZONES SETTER. OFF OF THE CITY OWNED SITE BECAUSE THEY DON'T THINK PEOPLE FULLY UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS. AND TO REALLY MEET WITH LEADERS AS BOB SUGGESTED FOR DIFFERENT GROUPS. BE IT IS IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE TO TRY AND MOVE THE EDUCATION PROCESS AND SOME HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE AND SOME DON'T WHICH IS SOMETHING GOOD HAPPENED NOW ON THESE PRIVATE LANDS. WHERE THAT LEAD UP TO SYRIA PLAN OR NOT. WE COULD SEE EVERY DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL AT COLONY IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING OR AT IDEAL IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING AND SO THAT I THINK THAT SHOULD PROVOKE. EVEN IF WE DON'T MAKE ANY CHANGES.THESE

[268:01] PROPOSALS COULD COME FORWARD AND WHAT YOU MENTIONED IN THE PACKET AND I THINK NEEDS TO BE EMPHASIZING THE AREA PLAN. IS THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE REAL POSSIBILITY OF SOMETHING COMES FORWARD WHICH IS LANDMARK. RIGHT TO FREE IF WE DON'T MAKE AREA PLAN AND SOMETHING COMES FORWARD AND WE REALLY HAVE TO PROCESS THE APPLICATION AND THE ARMORY.MAYBE YOU CAN SPEAK TO THIS SO PEOPLE WATCHING CAN HEAR IT AND WE CAN SAY IT AGAIN IN THE FUTURE. BUT YOU TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT APPLICATION MORE TO COME FORWARD AT ID OR A COLONY THAT IT WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY ITS LANDMARK IS THE FIRST STEP.THAT'S CORRECT PROBABLY ANY MAJOR REDEVELOPMENT WOULD REQUIRE A SITE REVIEW AND ONE OF THE FACTORS THAT YOU CONSIDER THIS A REVIEW IS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION VALUES OF THE PROPERTY. AND MAN MARKING IS OFTEN A RESULT OF PEOPLE CAUSE. OF SIGNIFICANT BUILDINGS GOING THROUGH THE SITE REVIEW PROCESS AND OTHERS IN THEIR RESCUE HIM AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT. THE ANSWERS WITH THE COMMUNITY HAS EVEN IF THAT LAND MARKING WHAT HAPPENED THERE WOULD BE A

[269:00] CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL FOR THE SURFACE LOTS ARE NOW SET CORRECT.IT'S A POSSIBILITY BUT YOU KNOW OF COURSE YOU KNOW.MY GUEST A DARTING BIGGER CIRCLE.WELL NO SO FIRST OF ALL YOU KNOW. IS I'M UNDERSTANDING THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT ARE STILL THE URBAN DESIGN PRINCIPLES THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN THE PLAN AND THEN OF COURSE WITH. THIS A REVIEW PROCESS IN ADDITION TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION YOU LOOK AT THINGS LIKE COMPATIBILITY AND HOW IT FITS INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I THINK THAT IS PART OF THAT SITE REVIEW PROCESS HE WOULD START TO TALK ABOUT.SO WHAT ARE THE COMMUNITY VALUES AROUND THAT PART OF YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER ONE OF THE BIG. OBJECTIVES OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HISTORICAL. RESOURCES VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT AWAY WHAT ARE THOSE FEW CORE DOORS THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT MOVING PARTS ONCE YOU GET INTO THE SITE REVIEW PROCESS. AND DECISION MAKERS

[270:02] HAVE A LOT OF PLACES TO EXERCISE DISCRETION THAT'S GUIDED BY THE CRITERION THE CODE. GRADE AND I THINK THAT'S IT'S JUST IMPORTANT FOR THE TO HEAR THAT WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE MEETINGS WITH LEADERS THAT. WE ARE TAKING ACTION ON THOSE RIGHT NOW WE MIGHT WANT TO IN THE FUTURE TO FURTHER PROTECT THEM BUT THAT WOULD ALLAY FEARS NOT. THE FATHER TO MARRY ISAAC A MENTAL PROCESS WHEN THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME INTEREST IN CREATING A WORKING GROUP WITH THE COUNTY BUDGETS S C A C TO MAYBE PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA. NOT TOO FAR IN THE FUTURE JUST TO BUY THEM A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER PEOPLE WANT TO DO IT AND MAYBE EVEN TO THE POINT OF CONSIDERING IT'S THE UNION IN. THE AIR WELL WE ARE NOW IN THE EYE TO THE START RIGHT AWAY WORLD CAN WE MAYBE LEAK IN THE WEE PEOPLE INTERESTED IN HAVING A

[271:00] WORKING GROUP.SO SHOULD WE WAIT AND SEE IF HER DRAWER TO SEE HOW THE TWENTY FOURTH ANNIVERSARY WILL OWE SOME WE'RE GOING NOW.I MEAN HER NO I MEAN ALL COSTS IS TIME IF IT MEANS WHAT HE THINKS COULD HAPPEN AND WHY WE'RE GOING TO COMMENT BECAUSE I MEAN WE ARE.GRAMPS ELEGANCE CAMPBELL AN ERROR IN ALL WE COULD ALSO HEAR A GROUNDSWELL FOR IF THEY REALIZE THAT IT WILL LESSEN THE DENSITY ON THE WHOLE PARCEL.I THINK THE ONLY ONE OR TWO COMEDIANS IN ANYWAY SAT ON THE DECISION VERSUS THE WORKING GROUP'S OPPOSITION TO GIVE AUDIENCES A PROCESS TO GET MORE INFORMATION. MORE INFORMATION AND HELP STAFF GO FORWARD SO. YOU GUYS OVER HERE BUT THIS WAS TO MAKE A DECISION THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO OR NOT A FIVE LITER WE COULD JUST DO ANOTHER FIGHT THE ENEMY.OK WE

[272:06] HAVE ARE NOT LIVE TO JORDAN TO DO.OK THE PICTURES ON IT I. FOUND MANY IF NOT ME I AM EXTREMELY INTERESTED AND I HAVE ZERO TIME I HAVE LESS THAN ZERO RIGHT NOW ALL I'M INTERESTED FOR BOB AND SOMEBODY. VERY DEAR TO ME ON LEAVING THE WEEK WE SHOULD BE UNHAPPILY OUT IF AN ERRANT YOU TO SCAN TO SCAN OUR VERY LIFE UNDER THE SHAH DOES AT WORK.BOB AND SAM THEM YOU SHOULD NEVER BUY TIRES WHICH IS JUST A RUNNER FOR WHO SHE WANTS TO BE ON ALL STEP ASIDE OR BREAK THE WALL BECAUSE SHE'S IN A BUSY SEASON. THE PARADEOK WE GET A CALL ON

[273:00] THE INSURGENTS FIRED A COUPLE OF REQUESTS FROM ONE IS UM AS YOU DO ME WITH THE FOLKS. CAMI FOLKS THAT I WOULD LIKE AND FOR US I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU FLAG THOSE AREAS OUTSIDE THE CITY PARCEL THAT COULD DEVELOP INTO SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T WANT. IT FROM DON'T INCLUDE THEM IN THE AREA. I WOULD LIKE THAT FLAG AND IN THE OTHER THING IS TO SAY. I'M A SUBJECTIVE ABOUT WHAT WE DON'T WANT. TO FIGHT WHAT COULD HAPPEN THERE COULD YOU PUT IT THAT I. WAS THE IMAGE IS SOMEWHAT WITH WHAT WE DON'T WANT WE DON'T WANT A COMMERCIAL HUNDRED PERCENT COMMERCIAL BUILDING IN A ROW BUT. IT DOES BUT WHERE AREAS OF SIGNIFICANT CHANGE OR LOUD I MEAN DOES FAR WORSE THINGS COULD DEVELOP INTO SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT MEET OUR COMPLEX GOALS GOALS. AND THEN

[274:01] UM THE OTHER THING THIS IS A QUESTION I GUESS IS IS THERE. CAN AN AREA PLAN TO ESTABLISH A POTENTIAL LAND MARKING BOUNDARY SUCH ERROR DOES THAT HAVE TO BE DETERMINED THROUGH THE MARKING PROCESS.WELL YOU CAN SIGNAL A GUY WITH THE PLAN DOES RIGHT NOW IS IT STARTS. TO RECOGNIZE THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF CERTAIN PARTS OF THE OF THE AREA PLAN SO YOU KNOW IT'S AND I CERTAINLY HAVE DONE AN IDENTIFICATION PROCESS AND I WOULD ASSUME DEAD.SUBSEQUENTLY IT COULD EITHER RESULT IN A LANDMARK IN PROCESS OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD SUBSEQUENTLY GET STARTED WITH THE SITE REVIEW APPLICATION. SO IT END SO WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT QUESTION IS TO USE THE LAND MARKING BOUNDARY AS SOMETHING THAT. PROTECTS THE VIEW OF

[275:00] THE LANDMARK TO. LANDMARK AND ALSO THE VIEW CORRIDOR SURE THAT'S POSSIBLE BUT I THINK THAT. YOU KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS YOU GO THROUGH THE HISTORY PRESERVATION PROCESSES. BUT YOU KNOW YOU START TO IDENTIFY IN THAT PROCESS THE THINGS THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT AND IMPORTANT AND THOSE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU GET INTEGRATED INTO THE LANDMARK ORDINANCE ITSELF. TO YOU WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN WELL AND PERHAPS THE PERHAPS I COULD BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS. TO JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR THOSE THINGS THAT DAVID MENTIONED THAT SAYS THAT WOULD OCCUR AS A PART OF A HISTORIC PRESERVATION LANDMARK DESIGNATION PROCESS NOT AS A PART OF THE AREA.OH I SAID HE AND WHITNEY SAID YOU COULD SIGNAL THAT IN THE AREA IN THE AREA PLAN RIGHT NOW THERE IS A CHAPTER ON HISTORIC PRESERVATION. OFFICE SQUARE WERE DOING THAT SIGNALS SAYING HEY THERE ARE POTENTIALLY HISTORIC RESOURCES IN THIS AREA. BUT THEN I THINK WE WOULD RELY ON THE REGULATORY PROCESS OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION

[276:00] CHAPTER OF THE CODE. TO ACTUALLY MAKE THOSE SORT OF DISSIPATE AT IT HE CAN SEEM LIKE A USEFUL. CONVERSATION POINT WITH NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS TO EDUCATE THEM ABOUT THE POTENTIAL HEIR TO PRESERVE THE ELEMENTS YET AND ALONG WITH THAT ALONG WITH THAT IS. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING AND WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN WITH THE LAND USE CHANGE JUST SO OH WELL.HE GETS A HEFTY SHARE AND I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE GRADING OUT OF THE AREA AROUND THE END IN A SHEER K SHARE SOME OF THOSE.AND UM BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GET THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY SO FOR EXAMPLE RIGHT NOW ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THIRTEENTH AND BOSS AND I BROUGHT THAT UP.IT'S

[277:05] BASICALLY UM DOESN'T NEED IT THE SAME AS WHAT'S ON THE ACT'S SOUTH. WEST CORNER OF THIRTEEN COMPULSION IN AND IT WOULD ALLOW COMMERCIAL DO YOU REALLY WANT TO ALLOW COMMERCIAL TO CREEP INTO THE B ON THE EAST SIDE OF THIRTEENTH STREET. AND I THINK THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT. I THINK IT COULD BE A DISCUSSION POINT WHEN WE SAY HERE'S THE PHASE THAT WOULD COME IN THE FUTURE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THINGS LIKE AND EXPLAIN THAT. TO COME TO GET THE PIECES FALLING FOR THE CONVERSATION NEXT YEAR EVEN IF WE DON'T. HAVE ONE MORE THING I'M SORRY JUST ONE MORE THING YOU. KNOW I I WROTE IT DOWN THE RIGHT TIME TO TIME SORRY I WROTE IT DOWN TWICE AND HAS TO DO WITH THE FACILITIES MASTER PLAN AND CALM. AND LOOKING AT ALL OF THE CITY. PROPERTIES AND

[278:00] BUILDINGS AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST WITH RESPECT TO. HOUSING ADVISORY BOARD WHO PROJECTS WAS TO LOOK AT ALL OF THE CITY PROPERTIES TO SEE. HIM TO LOOK AT THEIR LAND USE OR ZONING AND THEIR APPROPRIATENESS FOR HOUSING SHOULD WE DECIDE THAT. THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS FACILITIES MASTER PLAN TO I'M PUTTING THAT OTHERS A POTENTIAL PART OF THE EXERCISE IN THE FACILITIES MUST. AND I WOULD SUPPORT DEAD ACTUALLY OVER TEN OR TWELVE YEARS AGO WE DID AN INVENTORY OF ALL THE BUILDINGS HE HAD BEEN THE CITY. AND WE LOOKED AT WHAT COULD BE USED FOR HOUSING. AND AT THAT TIME ALL THOSE BUILDINGS WERE OCCUPIED THE CITY FACILITIES AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION NOT TO ADD EXTRA STUFF THAT'S AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT.ERMESPECIALLY FOR GOOD OR LOSE ON HOUSING AND SAY. OK DOES THAT GET YOU OR YOU NEED TO GO CAUSE I VERY MUCH THANK ALL OF YOU EACH OF

[279:00] THE MEMBERS. OF THE COUNCIL FOR THE VERY THOUGHTFUL COMMENTS TONIGHT IN THE REVIEW OF THESE PIECES AND I WERE I JUST WANNA. THANK YOU FOR YOUR EARLIER COMMENTS AND I WILL SHARE THOSE WITH OUR WIDER STAFF TEAM WE'VE HAD THERE'S QUITE A FEW PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD A HAND. IN THIS WORK IN THIS PLAN AND ESPECIALLY IN THE COMMUNITY ENGAGED IN THE OFFENSE ANOTHER SO I WILL SHARE YOUR COMMENTS WITH THEM AND THANK YOU THANK YOU.