August 27, 2019 — City Council Special Meeting

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[4:42] good evening everyone welcome to this a special uh council meeting of the Boulder City Council on what's our date August 27th 2019 Lynette will you call the role council member Brocket present Carlile Jones here morelle

[5:00] she's here she's here Nagel here here here Weaver here Yates here young present mayor we have a quorum great thank you all for being here um this is a special meeting so there's not going to be any open comment instead we're going to have a public hearing on three items and they are hate crime amendments gender inclusive language amendments to the boulder code and The Pavilion renovation and Alpine Balsam area draft plan so those are the three topics if you want to speak to them please sign up over there I'll note that we're also going to have a because we like meetings we're going to have another special meeting tomorrow night and that will be um solely on the tobacco regulations and tax measures because we recently had a public hearing on that topic on August 13th we will not be taking public comment tomorrow night but with that we are going to start

[6:00] tonight with something special so um if Chief Tesa would come up so um it's on excellent um so everybody knows police chief Greg and he announced recently that he well he gave us a few months notice that he was retiring so tonight we're going to honor him and I'll just note that at the city there's a lot of people coming and going um but some people when they go it's a much bigger deal because they held up a much bigger part of the sky and chief Tesa is one of those people and it's hard to imagine that he spent 36 years as a police officer 32 of them here at our city that's a whole lot of

[7:00] life's work that he has given to us and to all the residents who live here and that's pretty amazing gift that you've given and i' I'd say that probably in a lot of ways you've kind of grown up or the city's grown up with you or you've grown up with the city and more than just being a public servant I would say that you've um you've made the city a better place and you've done a lot of things under your leadership that have really um had helped the city to evolve and I'm going to read a a statement that talks about all of those so bear with us declaration in honor of police chief Greg Testa last June police chief Greg Testa announced that he would be retiring on September 3rd 2019 the chief has served as a police officer for 36 years the last 32 with the police Boulder Police Department after joining the police uh Boulder Police as a patrol officer in 1987 he rose through through the ranks serving

[8:00] as detective Sergeant Commander Deputy Chief and interim Chief before being named chief of police on June 16th 2014 during his five years as Boulders chief of police Greg Testa led the police department in several important initiatives including and I warn you this is a long list starting the Edge co-responder program to support mental health needs on police calls creating the homeless Outreach team making the Boulder Police one of the first departments in Colorado to have officers carry Nar cam saving an estimated 15 lives so far creating a Professional Standards review panel and ensuring selection of community members for the panel um making sure they're made outside of the police department implementing Boulder's body warn camera program starting the youth Explorer program and launching a two-e annual summer police Youth Academy developing a formal neighborhood area

[9:01] police policing program and creating the Boulder police mobile app for police news and releasing the first comprehensive police stop data report and I'll note that few cities are doing that we're publishing our stop data on putting it out there to engender a public conversation which is a a bold thing to do can you hold that during his Decades of Service Chief Testa has led the community through periods of Challenge and Joy from rallies and protest to the 1994 murder of a Boulder police officer that ye investigated to three presidential visits to Boulder to reading to kids in the library and organizing Community Soccer Games Chief Testa is widely recognized by leaders in the community as a person of character and skill Boulder City Manager Jame Bram hailed him as a man of honor and integrity Boulder County Sheriff Joe Pell says that Chief T Testa is unflappable and former Boulder County District district attorney Stan Garnett

[10:00] said Testa is just the best kind of cop a guy who wants to keep the community safe and to be fair not weighing in on that Chief Testa himself is modest placing the credit for his success with the members of the police department says Greg you've got to surround yourself with good people and you have to trust them you can't shy away from asking people for advice you can't rush decisions and the most important thing is to be patient after he retires on September 3rd Greg will have an opportunity to test that patience he says he wants to spend that time getting better at flight fishing so for all these reasons the city council of the city of Boulder Colorado declares September 3rd 2019 Chief Greg Testa day and we urge all members of our community to wish the chief well in his retirement

[11:18] thank you so much I'm I'm I am really humbled um I've always called the mayor mayor out of respect but um Zan and um you guys get to witness the chief please giveing a hug to the mayor um yeah unflappable wow um so Council thank you so much for this declaration and and and for all you do and I I just appreciate you so much um we've I feel like we've worked together on so many um different issues and different you know problems over the years so thank you for that yeah when I look I'll make this short but when I

[12:00] look back at 30 um two years with the city board there really has been lots of change in our community and what a great um Dynamic Community we have and um and I'm just so grateful um and privileged and what an honor it's been um to be your police chief and I thank Jane um immensely for having uh confidence in me to to appoint me to this position um and to work with City staff um Jane and and all City staff and I have to I have to specifically point out Jane and Tom um because we've worked on so many issues and problem solved so many things and it's been an honor um to work with both of you and I have the utmost um respect for both of you for your commitment um to this committee or to this community and um your customer service values thank you so much and lastly I I I have to say what a what a great great Police Department we have um

[13:00] the men and women at the Boulder Police Department work so hard every day um and they give so much and um it's just been an honor to be um to work with them and to be their police chief and all of the um accomplishments that the mayor um um read are definitely accurate but they're they're not my accomplishments they are the police department's accomplishments and um and when she said that um I've I've surrounded myself with good people the one thing I when I look back at my time the one thing that I have um I think really excelled or done well in is being able to pick good people and put them in the right positions and both Deputy Chiefs Carrie wein hammer and Kurt Johnson are here tonight and um their leadership uh in the organization is what has led us to these accomplishments and mark blly the union president here too I have to acknowledge Him so thank you so so much thank you very

[14:08] much got a hard yes thank you Chief and um I also want to note that um council member Bob had a hand in Penning that declaration which I thought read very well so than shout out to you okay and with that we'll launch into our first topic your first public hearing is second reading of ordinance 8335 amending the municipal hate crimes ordinance uh good evening Kurt FH uh director of Housing and Human Services so this uh there'll be two uh uh hearings and presentations tonight um both of them will be uh given by uh Kay Fong um who oversees the uh the office of Human Rights and community relations

[15:00] for the city and Janet Michaels um senior assistant uh to the City attorney um if you want to start the yeah I'm not sure how to get this up on the screen it's on my monitor do I need to hit something got it okay so um in 2016 there was a a community survey that was done and that survey um gave a lot of helpful information um it showed that we're a very welcoming Community but it also showed that we're not is equally welcoming to everyone particularly people of color and it really became a data point for us to look at what we need to do as a community uh to be more welcoming um so this um this survey was really a starting point um for the work that we're going to be um talking about tonight okay so this is just a brief overview of

[16:01] the structure of the presentation and uh we'll just talk a little about some of the background the community engagement uh what it is that we proposed to change in a staff recommendation um some of you may be aware that the human relations commission last week uh did pass a motion to uh for your consideration about some additional language that we uh may wish to include in this so I think one of the big questions and I think uh that Kurt had kind of indicated you know why are we doing this and I think a good reason for this is encapsulated by this quote from the chair of the human relations commission nille Manar who has been uh very active and has been a great partner to work with on this initiative and I think you know his words ring really true for me and it's we have a need to take action at the city level to combat the rise of hate nationally and to make our city safe for all people where State and National hate crime policies are not strong in Progressive enough and I think

[17:00] if we use this sentiment as a starting point um it becomes very clear why it is that we're proposing what we're proposing so there's two major issues or changes that we're looking at one is this issue of mixed motive and I and some of this might be reviewed since we did discuss some of this a while back but um by way of reminder you have an issue with a lot of statutory language where if you don't specify that mixed motive offenses can be prosecuted as a hate crime it can be very difficult and that's been the experience of other jurisdictions to move forward on a successful prosecution of that type of offense so an example of that might be okay there's a you know somebody in a tight Boulder parking lot crashes into somebody else and while the initial incident was triggered by a collision um you may have uh you know some racial epithets being thrown about and it can lead to an assault and that's

[18:01] where you're looking at a mixed motive offense and in some jurisdictions they were hard to prosecute Illinois was one example and through a combination of case law and statutory change they were able to address that head-on and we're proposing to do something very similar by having language that specifically addresses mixed motive the second piece to is that pertaining to religious practice current hate crimes language you know makes it very clear that if there's something that happens to a house of worship like vandalism um broken windows Etc that that is very clearly covered the human relations commission though was concerned with individuals that might be involved in uh religious practice outside of the confines of a house of worship an example of this might be um you know somebody going through their Muslim prayer you know outside of a Mosk and as well as folks who through their clothing or their hair you know that marks them as as part of

[19:01] following a particular religious belief that we want to create protections for people outside of a house of worship and people who you know may sort of have as some might call it the sort of uniform uh that would be consistent with their religious identity and we would want to protect that so what we're looking at in both these instances is really looking at developing a sense of clarity uh Clarity for who we're protecting and under what circumstances we are protecting Community engagement there's been a pretty long history on this um going back to 2017 some of you may remember the community perceptions assessment the related openhouse um another key milestone in this was the 2018 Community speakout where many individuals came to the HRC which had a specific January hearing on the types of in incidences that we wish to address this year we've had public hearings and this all kind of stemmed from our February uh council meeting where we were instructed to move forward on this this we had um public hearings and have

[20:02] also been doing uh feedback through the HRC web page so there's been different Avenues because one concern was folks might not want to show up at a public meeting so we would enable an opportunity to address these issues through an online mechanism so the summary we expand the underlying number of fenes subject to enhanced sentencing we add language to more to clarify the enhanced sentence and the mixed motive situation and we add religious expression to the definition of bias motivated crime in throughout the human rights ordinance again clarifying the scope of protection that we offer this is the sort of Staff recommendation here um we can see the motion language it's essentially to amend the municipal hate crimes ordinance with updated sentence enhancement and related language changes and setting forth related details uh we have two more just quick slides but to reflect the uh proposed changes that were voted on at last week's uh human

[21:00] relations Commission meeting essentially they unanimously voted in support of the inclusion of the definition of religious expression in this ordinance and also called for a degree of specificity about what would be added to the definition and this is going back to some of the religious expression pieces um so hair head coverings and garments and other factors would be added to the definition with that I'll turn it over to my colleague Janet Michaels from the city attorney's office yeah thank you Council um the second the first reading of this ordinance um was passed and there was new language added to it that included um religious expression as a protected class and since that time on October 19th the human relations commission had a meeting and they have recommended additional changes to that language um now the city attorney's office doesn't take a position on whether this addition language should be adopted by the

[22:00] council but if Council does choose to include it um the CAO has prepared language that's consistent with the intent of what the human relations commission has recently recommended um the human relations commission proposed adding language to the definition and there is Das information this you'll find on your green Das sheet um the HRC proposed adding language to the definition of religious expression including head coverings of all kinds hair including uncut and unshorn hair that language would be added to the the rest of the definition that Council passed on first reading Federal guidance has referred to other expressions of religion related to grooming and um to hair length and shaving and such um such as rosari and dreadlocks Orthodox Jewish s locks um in addition to the uncut and and Shor hair that has been recommended

[23:00] by the human relations commission um and that's uh language so language we propose if Council wants to adopt um a new Amendment to broaden the language um so what we would do and again it's on your green D sheet is insert um after the word Garb delete or but you would insert um head coverings of all kinds hair including shaving or hair length observances and we feel that that is a broader definition and that encompasses the concerns that the human relations commission had expressed at their August 19th meeting and I'll also just briefly I think it's valuable for us to look at what the rationale was that was expressed by the HRC and we can see that's actually consistent with what uh the city attorney's office has proposed um you know the broadest piece you know we're looking at um just to ensure min minority religions and religious practices are uh understood in these

[24:01] protections um this may also augment jury instructions to jurors who may not be familiar with religious practices outside of their own and then the last piece and I think this is fairly critical is that hair and head coverings are the two more most prevalent examples of religious expression-based hate crimes experienced by the Boulder Community according to feedback to the HRC so that concludes the formal part of the presentation great thank you so much um questions from Council so just to be just to be clear it also includes garments it does okay that's what's intended with um religious Garb yeah yeah garments Aon so thank you for that um I'm just looking at the uh trying to figure out the exact amendments that are being proposed and and it looks like my packet has 200 pages and your has had

[25:01] 203 are you able to give it to us in kind of chapter and verse what section in exactly on page 29 of the agenda packet well except I think my page numbers are different so I'm looking for the numbers and the ordinance ordinance number thank you ordinance number 8336 Y and on the second page of that ordinance the definition of religious expression uhhuh 8336 I have genderation 8335 is the bias motivated thank you that's that's a good clarification 8335 is the bias motivated um or the hate crimes um ordinance but the definitions for the change are included in 8336 because we've put all of our definitional changes in the human relations ordinance and another change that the human relations commission

[26:02] recommended um that they proposed to City Council on the August 19th meeting was in the hate crimes ordinance to have a cross reference to the human relations ordinance so the human relations ordinance contains the definitions and that's where the definition of religious expression would be amended to be included so in the hate crimes ordinance what we would have is a new um a new reference to cross reference the definition of religious expression in the human relations ordinance and that's in your other Das sheet excuse me but the definition maybe it'll help um currently and what the city council um passed at first reading was this definition of religious expression religious expression means any external manifestation of a person's religious beliefs including but not limited to attending worship Services praying

[27:00] wearing religious Garb or symbols displaying religious objects adhering to certain dietary rules or refraining from certain activities and then at the again at the um August 19th meeting human relations commission voted to recommend the city council to add additional language and they had referenced um uncut hair unshorn hair and City attorneys proposes broadening that to hair including shaving or hair length observances because that's going to cover more religious expression and it's also recognized um in federal guidance of anti-discrimination laws thank you you're welcome that was helpful um any other questions all right let's turn to the oh we wanted to invite up the chair of the human relations commission if you wanted

[28:00] to speak and then we'll go to the public hearing thank you uh my name is nikil manol I'm the chair of the human relations commission um I guess just first off I want to um uh commend my fellow Commissioners and commission and staff as a whole for all the work we put into this um it's taken a long time we were uh very thoughtful and always um engaging with the community and being responsive to them um in getting to this point where we have these um specific modifications to the law so um there's been a a robust public engagement process and not everyone who's on the commission now was was even on the commission when we began this and so just the fact that um they were able to join in and um take this up and see the importance of it is um um speaks volumes of the the quality of the commission and staff um what I would say about um I'm I'm also signed up at public

[29:02] comment to speak so I may speak for my personal experience at that time but um uh what we've seen as a commission in particular since the 2016 election it was only just a couple weeks after that we had a monthly meeting in November of 2016 we usually don't have High attendance UT meetings and we had something like 80 people we had a packed house that night and we had an unbelievable amount of public comment and almost immediately after that election we had CU students um Boulder Community members from uh multiple faiths and minority groups talking about um bias and hate incidents and hate crimes being committed against them um including having head coverings torn off um name calling uh incidents of of vandalism and so that um in expanding these protections um I think it's important that to recognize that we live in a very different time now than we did say in 2015 when it comes to bias and Hate um nationally speaking and locally and

[30:01] um we need to push ahead and be Innovative and adopt a different take in responsiveness to hate crimes um to be responsive to the the new landscape because as you saw in your memo um we had statistics showing that in Colorado just in the past year um uh hate crimes have doubled in the state um and although we also have some statistics around the numbers of hate crimes um locally in Boulder we've actually had more instances of people reporting hate crimes to the human relations commission than have been logged in statistics that have gone to police and through the the DA's office as well so um that's the second piece I just wanted to mention is that in enacting these laws um responding to a troubling statistic and something that that um I found um deeply troubling is that over uh um only half of of all hate crimes get reported and victims do not feel comfortable coming um Coming forward and Reporting them them um it's because people don't feel

[31:00] that um their own whether it's their own religious expression will be understood that people will understand that law enforcement um cities um people don't feel they'll be taken seriously and they also feel that even if we have laws on the books they won't be able to be um prosecuted to the point of a conviction um I've followed many hate crime cases in Boulder um over the past decade and I've seen um cases getting dropped they're extremely difficult to prove because of motive and I know we we've talked about this before but it it needs to be reded again that's the most difficult aspect to prove in cases and I think covering these um mixed motive um hate crimes and specifically naming um these um uh forms of religious expression head coverings um uncut Hill like you see I have as as a seek as an outward expression of my own faith um and what was named by um uh the city att's office just now those naming those things is really important because when when people see that a council and they see that a staff has named these things

[32:01] in the law that builds confidence in them that someone understands me someone has looked into these issues and knows what what my religious expression is because as a victim when you step in you and and you report to the police the last thing you want after you've been assaulted is to be trying to explain and educate people about um who you are your own identity and your own religious expression so enacting the these changes um it's the council is bridging that Gap so um I think in terms of what the commission did this is really solid um solid work and if there's any other questions about what we're doing tonight I'm happy to take questions I think it's pretty clear oh we have one n u this looks really really comprehensive and I appreciate the the change you made at the last minute as well were there any things that um that didn't make it in here that that you guys um debated you you you you were as you were being comprehensive was look like you were and I can't think of

[33:00] anything myself but were there anything that you consider putting in the ordinance and then um you didn't get a majority or people just didn't feel like it was it was reaching too far or do you do you feel like this is where you all need to be um this is where we all need to be but to you to answer your question we did um look at a lot of things um particularly among protected classes and we had um some discussion and staff and commissional research around um looking at adding um um homelessness status or unhoused status to um to the law and um uh in in working with the Anti-Defamation League and other groups we found that um those are not immutable characteristics and you know that housing status thing can change um pretty quickly and so it would be difficult to address in this law but we did in the interest of still wanting to protect it we think um uh uh vulnerable person statutes um at the state level and and perhaps locally could be modified to to address that but that so that's why that pie from the study session was not included

[34:03] thanks so thank you nikil and thank you to the human relations commission and staff for doing this hard work um you mentioned that 50% of crimes um hate crimes go unreported is there um data on the pass on how the passage of ordinance such as this um increase the reporting of such crimes I'm trying to I think if we included that in the memo um I think um when we found the statistic it said um only I think it was 54% of hate crimes get reported and the rest go unreported and that was over like a decade of um of research and um it may not have been in the memo but we um uh we looked at um reasoning why people might not come forward to report so in terms of like some specific statistic I can off the top of my head name uh name one but in talking to people who've spoken to the commission

[35:00] about incidents about why are you coming to us why don't you um go to the police can we help you report to the police those issues I I raised about why people might not have confidence in in things um in in the prosecu prosecut ability was something that came up so at least in the context of what we'll do and we hope it will help thank you thank you yeah well Nik this isn't for you specifically thank you so much for your work and for the to the human relations Commission for your work on this I just wanted to let everybody know that we are in receipt of a letter from uh Congressman Joe nus uh supporting this effort on on the human relations commission behalf on our behalf and specifically for the inclusion of um protecting religious expression and um calling out head coverings and and hair so just want to let everybody know about that and thank you to Congressman nus for weighing in yeah I just want to thank Congressman nus um IL a bloom in in his office in J Grano who have taken an interest in this um since the beginning um in fact when Jill was on Council took an interest in it so it's very nice of them great why don't we go to the public

[36:01] hearing thank you for that okay thank you so much oh oh okay then switching hats okay or head coverings you're you're first up nikkel Almost Got Away um so uh my name is nikil Manar I'm shair of the human relation commission now I will switch hats from answering questions on behalf of the commission to um just speaking on behalf of myself um hate crimes are an issue that um motivated me to um to get involved in in the first place in um in city government I had not much connection to all of this I didn't really know anything I saw 15 people applied to the commission five five years ago this month actually when I filled a vacancy and I I kind you know I just I didn't know why people believed in me and I think the

[37:02] council at the time and some of you who were on Now saw something in me um and over time um uh as I've gotten to know staff and Council it's uh made me more comfortable um talking about some of my own experiences involving bias and hate and um in terms of the importance I I placed on on inclusion and having a welcoming community and what that looks like especially in teres of you know from cultural events to like indigenous people's day to just this kind of deep level policy stuff that can be difficult um um I've had my own experiences with bias and hate I'm a native of Boulder I grew up in the city I went through the Boulder Valley School System um graduate of Cu and I've made this place my home I'm a second generation immigrant my mom and dad moved here long ago in the either late' 60s or 1970s or something like that they're watching it at home now um they've made this through home and in taking up this law I think if we

[38:02] pass these amendments it will definitely make me personally feel more protected as an Indian seik we have unfamiliar practices um like growing uncut uncut hair people have had coverings and many people in my community and friends and and people of of other religions from South Asian descent um these laws will will help protect them um and uh make the community more safe uh my whole life changed um about Deca about a decade ago and I was attacked in a hate crime in my own home home City and Hometown and um the impact of that of going through that um not even the crime itself but just coming forward to um report that to the to the police uh and and cooperating and going through the system with the DA's office

[39:00] um and and knowing what it is to go through the system as a victim testifying and and what you go through um was a totally new experience for me and unless you've gone through it you wouldn't really know um it made me get involved in wanting in in helping other victims after that and in keeping track of um all the hate crimes I watch them like a hawk in the community sorry I keep pausing if I could just have a few seconds more to speak but um it made me watch these crimes over the past decade which was you know I've mentioned before and I was highly motivated in seeing when they got convictions and when they didn't and what was the victim's experience in them and I saw that that mixed motive piece coming up and everyone said motive is the difficult thing and and you can't really change it or do anything about it and I just think we found a way to do it with this law and um after I um it took I went through all of the things I named

[40:00] as a victim difficulty in in coming forward and why I was part of that you know outside of that 54% that didn't come forward um to report them and I know what it took in me to be able to come forward and speak out and I also know the retaliation and impact that happened to me after that and I lost everything in my life every Rel reltionship um everything I had and I didn't think that there was any way that I could come back from that it just I didn't feel the community supported me I didn't have anyone to back me and I didn't know how it was going to happen but I just had faith that I'd be guided someday to do something about that and and make sure that nobody goes through what I go through who I could do something to help with it and in coming in in in being appointed to this commission and in being given a chance

[41:01] and with the um the relationships and friendships I built with all of you and staff that became my community and my family and and made me feel I could speak out today about this and talk with all of you about this and and and invest the time and energy into changing this law so um what we're doing is really important and we all live in bubbles and we don't often mix with people different premise but a colleague and friend to all of you like me you may not have known that these things impact me and people think they don't happen in bould but just because it's not happening to you that doesn't mean it's not happening so changing this law and doing this is a big deal and the council support and what what all of you are doing um is really means a lot to me thank you nille Lisa Nik um thank you for your courage and strength to come

[42:00] forward I know how much how hard that is but I want to say I remember the night that you interviewed and I remember you telling us some of your not to this extent but some of your harrowing stories and you were the best candidate and I just can't thank you enough for sharing your story and also just putting your mouth where your words are or you know walking your talk and putting the amount of effort you have into this human relations commission and into these ordinances and um I think this Council cannot thank you enough because you've shown some incredible leadership and I just want to thank you and thank you for coming forward tonight and just your statement has been incredibly

[43:00] courageous and I hope it gives light to others in the community so thank you Nik Thank you Lisa so do I may say something I we had a little mix up on our sheets but this is the correct um list now for this public hearing ah sorry about that well then uh Christopher Lundy if you would come up and if Sarah Jane Cohen can be on deck sorry it's not very tall friendly it's never really quite high enough for me um um thanks uh Nicole I I listen to kage I listen to his radio program now could you introduce yourself Sir Christopher Lundy excellent thank you um I'm not going to have nearly enough time to kind of touch on the subject but I I

[44:01] just heard it announced the the program tonight so I'm not a big Advocate or I haven't been involved in this process we hate crime um so I'm just share really briefly um my limited experience is that both my younger brother and myself were U special head kids uh disability kids and so it kind of goes without saying there was a lot of discrimination involved it wasn't quite like the TV show welcome back Carter growing up but um we're both uh born in North Africa Muslim countries so I guess we're African-Americans but uh we never had anything U thrown at us against anything thrown at us regarding that particular race or anything like that but um we do have a current problem with uh my dad who's a senior up in Table Mesa livz on Butler Circle and uh been having a problem with a a neighbor uh poisoning and killing anim animal and put them in our in our backyard and uh and he kind

[45:01] of knows that you know there's termia different type of bacterial diseases that can be a problem actually someone out in Lewisville I think died from mowing over a dead animal that was carrying the disease and I went to the cop shop and talked to an off duty officer about it and he was kind of you know it's kind of hearsay evidence and not a whole lot we can do and think can put in security cameras or something but anyway so it's kind of a hate crime against my dad number one then of course my younger brother who's disabled it was kind of it's obviously a hate crime against him of course me as well but so anyways um I'm not quite sure what our opportunities or our Avenues to kind of maybe negate or stop that type of abuse going on it's been going on for like two or three years now so um anyways I was just hoping maybe uh maybe get a little feedback from someone uh maybe here tonight uh I don't know if it's that like an FBI kind of thing or again it's not serious enough you know

[46:01] haay type of thing no proof um he actually the neighbor kind of a really clever in individual actually called animal control on us after planting the dead animals in our yard and blame it on our wood pile or something but it was very strange situation so any uh any assistance might be of value um talk to the neighbors about it and they're kind of aware of the gentleman and uh but again you know no one really kind of wants to uh uh get involved I guess that's kind of often the case I know in some countries they have laws where Good Samaritan laws where if you don't get involved it's actually a crime so anyways thank you much U thank you sir um maybe we can have staff follow up I think we have your your information I'm not so tall um my name

[47:03] is Sarah Jane Cohen I live in Boulder and I thank you for uh considering this really important ordinance um I am a member of The anti-deformation League Mountain States regional board and I'm here speaking on behalf of the ADL uh the ADL supports the revisions to the municipal hate crimes ordinance ADL has drafted model legis ation that 46 States uh with hate crimes laws have used to create their individual laws ADL is really an an expert in the field of hate crimes and leads our state's hate crimes Coalition called the colorado Coalition against hate this Coalition includes Boulder County organizations including among others out Boulder County um in the spring ADL met with Boulder City staff and the human relations commission uh with Excuse me with n to discuss and review potential CH yes it's true um to review potential changes

[48:01] to the municipal ordinance We Believe great care and intentionality was taken in drafting the proposed revisions many of the revisions closely mirror our model Municipal hate crimes ordinance ADL is very pleased that we were able to share our policy recommendations with the city and to have many of those recommendations reflected in the uh proposed Ordinance Colorado has strong hate crime laws on the books but as we continue to experience an increase in reported hate crimes locally and nationally it's important to take proactive steps to plug the holes in the existing ordinances and legislation Boulder's decision to revise and strengthen its hate crimes ordinance sends a strong message that the city will not tolerate targeted violence against marginalized populations and will do what it can to ensure the city is a welcome and inclusive place I thank the city staff nikil and the rest of the human relations commission past and

[49:00] present council members and the mayor uh for all your help and um we really appreciate uh that that the city is is taking this step thank you thank you Sarah Jane oh we have a question well not a question but Sarah Jane I just wanted to thank you for coming to uson and representing the ADL because obviously the opinion of the ADL is very valuable in a matter such as this really appreciate thank you for sure STS and then Emma I'm Stan Deets I'm a member of the human relations commission and a long-term resident of Boulder um I don't have a lot to add you've heard a lot of the things that are here the thing that has been the learning curve for me is to really hear directly how much pain exists in our our city um how much is unreported uh how much goes on how much

[50:01] fear people walk around with and it has been just startling to me as I listen to individual stories as I look at data as to what's taking place and so I want to compliment everybody who's been working on this and your own selves for for taking this seriously and taking it up and I and I do also hope that you put as specific of language as you can in terms of religious EXP ression there are over 20 religions practiced in the city of Boulder the attempt to even try to get straight how each of these views their practice and the importance of it is very difficult and especially in a case of mixed motives at a sight of a crime to collect the kind of information to make the kind of interviews that are needed requires a lot of attentiveness to the importance of a particular religious expression to the individuals that are involved and so I think it's very important to give give as strong a guidance as possible and as much specificity as possible to help people

[51:00] both report and of course to gather the information that would be required for prosecution thank you again for taking this up thank you and Stan are you by being as specific as as possible um have we captured it in the language that the attorney I think so I I think the attorney's office been very helpful in both extending it and bringing it cons consistent with other practices and law that exists on it and so I would be very supportive of that and I do apologize myself for coming late with some of these amendments but you listen to the community and things grow as you know yeah and and and so you think you got it and there's always more and so I really respect the attentiveness to figuring out what groups we missing what are the very specific things we need to add thank you excellent thank you um Emma

[52:02] hi my name is Emma kading soan um I live on Spruce and fulam here in Boulder and uh we absolutely must do more to combat the rise of hate crimes and I fully support the expanded Protections in this ordinance and I thank all of you um and and the HRC for your work everyone should be able to feel safe and welcomed in this community my only concern is the increased sentencing increased jail time for offenders is not may not be a solution to the problem of hate crimes but may actually uh increase their prevalence and extremity a better alternative may be to require that restorative justice be offered to the victim as an alternative I understand that some victims may feel that the judge allow restorative justice it could provide victims with an opportunity and means to get restitution

[53:00] and closure which prison time would not allow prison is also often the cause of not the solution to radicalization the Anti-Defamation League who I know that you've been working with the Federation of American scientists and the United Nations have all noted that prisons are breeding grounds for extremism the proposed ordinance mentions that increasing sentence length will send a powerful message to the community that local government is aware of and is working to protect potentially marginalized populations The increased sentence may send that message but I worry it may not actually protect those people um we must take these hate crimes incredibly seriously and we must make sure that the steps we take don't inadvertently make the problem worse yeah thank you thank you so I think that's it for public comment um we will close well you didn't sign up can I not speak you can but you know let's go you know this I didn't want to

[54:00] interrupt in front of people and okay that's cool Lynn go ahead um I was discriminated against at the West Senior Center for a program I was in can you can you start can youle and Boulder M Mountain Heights and I was discriminated at the West Senior Center for my Pro Palestinian kind of stance and I'm half Jewish myself and I didn't get one word from city council or from anyone that I sent my um complaint about I was thrown out of a program there called Circle talk that's put on by the Jewish Family Service and I'm I'm just an average person here um that was trying to go to this um group for older adults and when I wasn't on time I was blamed that I had to be there for the first three sessions and they don't I found out afterwards after I'd gone to the court to an appeal to appeal a suspension from the center for one month

[55:00] I found out that there wasn't even a rule like that I was never given the rule by the person Cammy at Jewish Family Services and now I find out there isn't even a rule and I was blamed and told that I was thrown out of the program for that and that I was um suspended from the Western year Center for a month so discrimination comes in many different forms and just I feel now like I can't speak out for Palestinian Justice because it's not politically [Music] correct thanks Lynn okay now we'll close the public hearing um I'll turn to you Sam but can I no no go ahead you go ahead so I'm willing to put a motion on do you want to add a question or just um the um final speaker who uh spoke regarding um restorative justice and I just wanted clarification that is the ability of the

[56:03] judge to you are correct that is within the sensing authority of the municipal court judge okay thank you for the clarification and I'll just further note that she is a big fan Linda cook is a big fan of restorative justice and would almost certainly offer that in preference to extend the jail time if everyone agreed to participate y okay so I'm I'm going to put a motion on the table here um I move that Council adopts ordinance 8335 amending section 511 and 524 to amend the municipal hate crimes ordinance with updated sentence enhancement and related language changes and setting forth related details as amended on the yellow sheet in front of us second and then I move that we adopt ordinance 8336 amending section 1211 including cluding adding a definition of the term discriminate deleting subsection D of

[57:01] 1213 amending section 12112 amending section uh that's the next one yeah the next ordinance I was going to do both we're going to do another presentation there going to be another got it okay so we'll stop with that first thing um we had a second did you want to say anything well I mean I agree with everything that's been said much more eloquently than I can say it that it is important to emphasize that we intend to welcome everyone into our community and when anyone is mistreated because of their race or their religion or any other uh inherent attribute that it it diminishes as whole and so I thank the human relation commission and staff for bringing this forward second or second was second so I all agree and um this is an important step forward but just as important is the

[58:02] hard work that we all need to do to begin to um recognize and dismantle the systems and the structures that enable this kind of thing to happen so um I hope that we all begin to recognize those things and do that hard work as well and I'll just add um my thanks to staff for navigating this process and being Nimble and adaptive to nille for your leadership to the HRC for holding this space for this and um I'll just note the Anti-Defamation League has has been helpful throughout the process and has offered to help with trainings um as we evolve as a community and educate ourselves and the folks that have to enforce this um and um we had some lovely emails input like from Rabbi Fred Green and others and so I thank the community for weighing

[59:01] in anything else it's a roll call vote I'm sorry it's a show of hands vote oh I was like okay all of those in favor it is unanimous thank you all can just one other thing just that um Miss seagull mentioned testimony discrimination against particular political views that she offer in City accommodations I just wonder if staff could follow up on that because of course people should I think we all acknowledge that people can express whatever political views they want um and that the way they're treated at City facilities would not vary based on that ideally so and for that matter um the first gentleman seem to have some um process or some questions about how to proceed if somebody can follow up with him I think he's back in the corner that would probably be good okay okay second um next is second reading of ordinance 8336 gender

[60:00] inclusive language okay well it'll be a kind of a similar structure to the previous uh on sentence enhancements um one main difference uh with this is that this was uh a collaboration very much without Boulder who came to us last summer with a fairly comprehensive listing of uh proposed changes and part of the background with all of this is uh going through some of the old files 1999 seemed to be when this last process started and you know as many of us are aware a lot has changed in the last 20 years and um it really is kind of high time for an update uh to language and statutes and some of the um other City documents that feed off of those statutes so here are some of the rationals for the changes that we're looking at today is that we have uh language that really sort of reflects an

[61:01] outmoded thought um that you know now we look at gender identity as being something more of the Mind than in the body and I think some of our older language doesn't reflect that um there's also issues where there's been sort of uh invasions of privacy uh some of the old language made for things that could be rather intrusive and um disrespectful of one's privacy and that there are a lot of issues around Health Care particularly faced by transgender individuals that um the old language uh is more of an impediment than a help um in helping folks address some of those pieces so there's quite a bit here in terms of changes so primarily you know we start from a a baseline of uh amending some ident you know some of the key terms like gender identity and gender expression and then eliminating more outmoded terms such as gender variance uh we had some language about

[62:01] gender presentation which um I believe you know the sort of uh the most challenging piece was one in which it said that people could only uh change their gender presentation according to somewhat arbitrary number on an annual basis um we're also looking at some exemptions with respect to gender variation and some pieces uh with regards to public eom foundtion and participation on sports team and ultimately amendments to the human rights ordinance to address barriers to enforcement just again we did a uh fairly rigorous public engagement process that's been going on for almost exactly one year Al Boulder came to us at the HRC meeting in August and presented the current proposal which really forms the uh the nucleus of what we're talking about tonight and again we see that it was 20 years ago that uh we had done this the last time um we did have a live event we solicited feedback at the rainbows over

[63:00] Pearl event which was a key part of the pride month celebrations and the boulder Jewish Festival as well uh which happened on the same weekend and we also had a mechanism for online feedback um on the be herd Boulder website and we also had public hearings at the last two um HRC meetings except we didn't we didn't do it in the August hearing uh generally speaking the feedback was positive uh and supportive of the post changes uh you did have some concerns uh from folks that maybe were rooted a bit more in the sort of old thinking um but I think you know it it's safe to say that I'd say 95% of the comments were supportive of the changes that we're looking at so here's the summary we're getting rid of the old language that is offensive and outdated and we're also syncing up with state anti-discrimination laws because there had been a discrepancy with the verbiage we were using and that that had been promoted by the state uh one piece two is modifying an exemption for sex

[64:00] segregated housing for persons under age 25 so somebody can lawfully live in housing that aligns with their gender identity although there are a few limited circumstances where that would not be the case uh this was probably one of the more um uh pieces that we had to work on a bit more but basically the bottom line is that we have an exemption we have created a a proposed language where an individual can be grouped with a sex group that aligns with their gender identity in competitive Sports where this created a bit of a challenge though is that we may have some organizations um you know one example might be the NCAA NCAA um which may have uh regulations that conflict with this so in this instance what we would do is there would be an exemption for such organizations we arrived at this conclusion in consultation without Boulder and what we sort of landed on was that if we were to change say the ncaa's policy that's probably something

[65:02] more appropriately done by a national campaign of persuasion ra um rather than our local ordinances so where does this all take place and we've already had some stuff that was passed by Statute last fall but you know we're looking at changing definitions in the human rights ordinance to be more up to dat uh we're also going to change some of the language particularly in the Discrimination pieces so you know that's the kind of uh three-legged stool of employment housing and public accommodation uh we'll talk a little bit about the gender variance exemptions that we had just talked about in those other in the previous slide and then also some um issues around the uh statute of limitations around this that need to be clarified uh this will have probably um you know it will create some um adjustments that we'll have to do beyond the statute so internal City documents you know one example that was given to us by out Boulder was the language within human relations

[66:00] commission's um handbook and departmental policies such as those pertaining to HR and others and there may be other places as well so here is the staff recommendation um reasonably complex I I won't read it aloud but people can just sort of look at it from there great thank you very much ch um I guess n did you want to speak to this as chair as well I could you don't have to I mean I I make the offer yes I signed up at comment as well but I can I'll just do it now okay no um so this I just wanted to um this was done in collab in in close collaboration without Boulder and we just want to thank them for um assisting us along the way um with these changes and the commission as a whole has been um again with as with the hate crimes ordinance with this item and we've been all in it together and pretty unanimously supportive of it and and we've done quite a bit of investigation

[67:00] with the staff and just wanting to get this right and um you know along the way I was just thinking you know some of the feedback I've gotten is okay we really push you know pushing things ahead with this one and and while I do feel um you know we're trying to stay ahead of things uh we're also playing catchup with some of this stuff too and so I think it's uh it's about time we change some of this uh language as well and just I believe that it's it's really important that we um you know as put my comments in the hate crimes ordinance that uh just for me I I believe we should allow people to be themselves um and to be themselves without being subject to uh offense harassment um and even slights when when when you open up a handbook um or look at a law um seeing seeing your identity named and and recognized there's something really meaningful to that and to um Council women's young Young's points about um Beyond laws and and policy

[68:01] changes um looking at the broader um you know how we interact as a broader community and and dismantling systemic um discrimination I think when we look and and see ourselves reflected in in in city government in law and policy um it's really meaningful and it helps create that sense of welcom welcoming this inclusivity and uh it's just important that people who are from Minority um whether it's religions or gender identities things that people may not be familiar with and and have difficulty understanding and engaging with that leadership as leadership we all step up and uh and uh make the best community we can and the most welcoming and Safe Community we can um for all of these people thank you thank you any questions shall we go to public hearing okay so we just okay Michael

[69:02] Duffy and then did I do that see there's a phonetic there but I still blew it Mel I haven't figured out how to write it phonetically yet you can let me know um thanks for um having me here tonight my name is Mel I use they pronouns I'm the education and program manager for out Boulder County and I've been involved in this process I'm also a resident of this area and a trans person so this is personally um important to me as well as through my role as an advocate for the community with Boulder County um I just wanted to highlight that there are no federal protections like this it's really important to have this at a local level I want to Echo what Nik said about how important it is to be reflected in the laws and ordinances to know that this is a safe place for Trans people to exist and to be um there are high levels of uh discrimination um that have real world effects for Trans folks related to um to educational access related to housing discrimination and just

[70:00] stability in life um and this has um real world implications both mental health physical health and so ordinances like this can make impacts beyond what you might um anticipate or expect we do have a significant trans population here in Boulder I can't tell you what percentage of our population is trans but I do know um anecdotally that we have a high um High rate a high population of trans folks and part of that is because of the the work that out Boulder County does but now also in turn it's um part because of the work that the city of Boulder is doing in this area to be inclusive um and I do we do have a community survey report and I can provide that data for you um following up if you would like to take a look at that we did a um survey last year on um the experience of trans folks as well as lesbian gay bisexual pay rest of the letters of our community this sort of um protection is very validating for our community um and just I really want to thank the um clay and nikelle the whole HRC for um being amendable to this process we've gone

[71:01] through I think a good process to figure out exactly how the language should be um precisely worded to to Grant the most um protections that um are validating and have uh real world implications that are not leaving out part of the trans population that might not have access to healthcare and requiring some of the like physical transitions that this outdated language has so it really does expand it and make it more robust I would say so I want to um appreciate that um I think it's also great that this is um happening at the same time as the hate crimes updates um because our community is also definitely um benefiting from that as well so I also want to well them up here just say um thank you for that and um showing support for that as well so thank you and if there's any questions about this going forward um I've been a part of this process so I'm happy to answer any questions of definitional or whatever that might be thanks it was pretty clear but we we definitely thank you and out Boulder for your assistance and bringing this to our

[72:01] attention Ain I just wanted to Echo that Mel I know how hard you worked personally on this and and really appreciate your involvement in out Builders because I feel like we've got a really great ordinance in front of us and we couldn't have done it without you all so thank you yeah thank you thank you um Lynn seagull yeah I support any transgender things I was just trying to sign up for the circle talk group with the West Senior Center and I tried to put in my gender and it said you have to put in your gender and it won't let me put in my gender so it's kind of like doesn't matter what you do you're going to get discriminated against but yeah I support any um effort in this regard to protect people thank you okay with that we're going to close the public hearing Aon well I would love to make a motion that we adopt ordinance

[73:00] 8336 that has a whole bunch of extra words after it um just all of that second and that's including the information on the green colored sheet it does right because that was modified as well yes thank you for that with that Amendment that's on the Green Sheet included um so any so I just this is a really great step forward I do appreciate the work in the community out Boulder and um clay and uh your department worked really hard on this it's um much needed uh some of the language in our uh code when you read it is uh not just embarrassing but a a shaming um that we have that in our code so I'm glad to take this step forward hopefully that all help ensure that all of our community members can feel seen um and treated fairly by the government anything else any one else I just say Amen okay this is great um hands all those in favor it is unanimous thank you so much to the HRC and to step good

[74:05] work your final public hearing for tonight um is item C related to Alpine bostom area plan I'll let you get up first thank you J got it there you

[75:00] go colorful handouts that's where everybody's been what's that so what time are you going to the vape 11: so you're going with Aaron um I'd rather go earlier when does it open they invited me at 11 with Aaron but if you well so I can't go at 11 Sam are we ready to

[76:00] go we'll talk okay all right hey could everybody find a seat so we can get started if if anybody has an open excuse me if anybody has an open seat next to them can they raise your hand we we have some people that need to find seats excellent thank you all let us begin Chris Muk assistant city manager and interim planning director will kick us off Chris great thank you Jane uh good evening council members um tonight we're here to present two items um all related to the Alpine balam area plan um so we're going to break this evening as you have on your agendas into kind of two um presentations um first we'll begin with Michelle crane um who will give an overview of the facility's master plan and specifically how it relates to the Pavilion building and the location of city services at the Alpine balam site we'll then take any clarifying questions specific to that issue um then we'll have Gan gatsa cover

[77:02] um the Alpine Ballam draft area plan um and then have any clarifying questions from Council before we open the public hearing um and then um once we conclude the public hearing um we have provided some uh kind of a suggested structure and questions for Council to walk through um the draft area plan and any questions related to the Pavilion so um with that I'm going to turn it over to Michelle to begin the presentation good evening Council wait can I just ask you to clarify one thing can you just we talked at CAC about what the what we're deciding tonight and what we're not deciding tonight can you maybe give that to everybody out in the room sure so um this evening we are reviewing the draft of the Alpine bosom area plan so um tonight council is not making any decisions but providing feedback the planning board did the same uh and gave staff feedback we'll take that feedback

[78:00] and revise to bring forward the final plan the Alpine balam area plan that will be considered for adoption by both the planning board and the city council that public hearing is scheduled for September 24th so tonight's purpose is really to give us specific feedback on changes that you would like to see in the draft area Plan before we bring back the final draft for adoption great thank you good evening Council I'm Michelle crane City facilities design and construction manager um in our purpose is uh to share some early work on our facility's master plan and is it helps place a larger context around what the pavilion's opportunity is to provide city services at the Alpine bosam site and so again we're here to provide information and look for um feedback on both uh The Pavilion and the facilities master plan so the B shoulder Valley comprehensive plan identifies that Master plans establish detailed policies priorities service standards facility

[79:01] and system needs um for delivery of specific services and Facilities provided by each department our master plan is by contrast trying to look at facilities as a collective and holistic system of delivering C services to the community not per service or per Department an individualized approach fails to really capture the common goals that can be achieved across all of our facilities our vision and our goal for the facil master plan is to identify a vision for City buildings for the next 50 to 100 years and develop an implementation plan that will help guide us as we're replacing aging infrastructure and our buildings are adapting to a changing environment in ways that they have not in the past and all while trying to maintain exceptional and uninterrupted delivery of our essential services to our community the decisions we make each year in our annual Capital Investments last decades in our buildings and so we want to chart a course that better capitalizes on these common goals in

[80:01] links to an investment strategy that we can Implement through that annual budgeting process and we do see consolidation of our buildings as a key to achieving these goals so in our early work on our master plan we have identified these uh six common areas of focus across all of our buildings so first we want our buildings to respond and address people's experience we want them to be welcoming inspiring places to deliver our essential services and we also want them to be provide Equitable and quality workspace for our staff they should be functional they should be efficient in our operations and maintenance both within the buildings themselves but across the system again as a whole they should be accessible from again around the city but also then within the buildings um themselves as they deser they serve the diverse needs of all people pertaining to sustainability we of course want to work on reducing our energy consumption and our carbon footprint but we also want to include other principles of sustainability like water conservation and use of recycled

[81:01] materials in our buildings our buildings should have a good resiliency and a response um they the infrastructure should support an immediate response to times of Crisis but also response and adapt to Chronic stresses over time and we want them to be fiscally responsible so we're really looking to maximize the efficiency in our buildings in order to reduce our costs and we have an aspirational funding goal to be able to implement this plan in a budget neutral way over time and I'll get to that in a little bit more detail in just a second about how we'll see savings to implement this plan but again consolidation of buildings would be a key to that success so the last piece on just our facilities master plan is that it's really important to understand we need to look at our buildings through two different lenses we need to look in the Urban Urban context because again our buildings work as a network across the city in the way they deliver services to our community in the way we work as

[82:01] staff between buildings and in the way we operate and maintain buildings and then we look at buildings specifically at the individual building level so what you experience upon arrival and how they function within the buildings for the purposes of tonight we are focusing on that Urban context as it relates to really addressing the question is Alpine balam a good place to deliver city services and should we continue with renovation of the Pavilion building we would spend a lot more time in the design phase is really in that individual building level so now looking at um The Pavilion more specifically and Alpine balsom we wanted to for Simplicity boil this down into really three key factors of space time and money so what makes Alpine balam a good fit for City facilities how is renovation of the Pavilion a timely opportunity for us and is renovating The Pavilion a good

[83:00] investment in February of this year I um presented to you how the Pavilion building could consolidate um three possibly four buildings into just this one and that would accommodate roughly 250 to 300 staff in this building depending on whether we added the fourth floor or that balance of amenities that we might provide tonight again the goals to put this in the larger context of all 22 buildings that we could consider for consolidation through our facili master plan so on this slide are all those 22 buildings and in Orange are the services that are actually directly provided to the community from those buildings and in blue are the Departments and divisions that are actually in those buildings and this collectively represents well more than a hundred million in our building assets so all those 22 buildings combined on that previous slide equal 420,000 gross square feet we deliver our

[84:01] services through what we're going to for Simplicity um through do different types of buildings so administrative type buildings that really house our offices and most of our kind of customer desks if you will and then what we're calling land intensive buildings which are the ones that house like shop space and Equipment storage and then just very um specific uses for the purpose of the discussion around Alpine Balsam we would not recommend or be looking at putting land intensive uh uses up at that site so we're focused on the administrative um type functions but our master plan is looking at all of these buildings collectively and so um that's what we see here is the breakdown between those two types of uses the carbon footprint on these um Collective buildings is about 43 um 100 metric tons which is really equal to about a thousand cars um just for some comparisons and we spend just under $2

[85:01] million a year operating and maintaining these buildings and that does not include our backlog and it doesn't include our planned um future infrastructure upgrades when we look at consolidating and what we could achieve by consolidating each one of these bars gets more efficient so we can reduce our gross square footage just out of the gates by about 20% by just not replicating so many spaces in so many different buildings we can reduce our carbon footprint by up to 60% and again this is just in our administrative buildings we'll continue to look at that reduction in those land intensive buildings Greening of the grid over time will reduce that an additional 30% and this will help us achieve our climate commitment goals and we can reduce our our onm by about 30% and we see an equal opportunity to reduce by another 30% those planned infrastructure improvements across all different

[86:01] buildings when we consolidate we can reduce those planned infrastructure improvements by about that other 30% and it's in those areas that we see the savings to help fund implementation of this plan so now looking specifically at what Alpine balom contributes to this equation we estimate that we can provide about 60% of our administrative needs in our customer service desks at the Alpine bosam site between the Pavilion and the Brenton building and so we also looked at our facilities again through this greater Urban context and when we did that we called to mind the history of Boulder has of intentional planning and laying out of our city from the structure of our Urban layout that has created three main Regional centers and our distribution of neighborhood centers we should be equally as intentional as to how and where we present our city government and our services within the

[87:01] urban Fabric and so we spent some time just looking at this and focused on some basic but key elements to help best inform where city services should go so first we looked at where people actually live in the city and so we um aggregated all of the residential type use es and those are all shown now in the yellow and so you can see that the majority of people in the city live along the western side and in the South with our higher densities along Broadway um those orange and rust color uh colors on the map um reflect our commercial and Industrial uses out centered towards the east the Boulder Valley comprehensive plan tells us that in the future more people will live in this area um in the Eastern area of town so then we looked at just the major transportation corridors and how people move throughout the city with Broadway being um that major Corridor uh along

[88:02] the western edge moving north south and then 1197 and 36 really bringing people in from the East to again the center of town and there was a question from our last meeting about uh staff City staff commuting and of City staff who do live outside which is a majority um they commute along those three major corridors in that um in that pattern um and so intercepting folks coming from the East and out east in the future could be an advantageous what percentage of Staff live outside the city it fluctuates and I've got to get a more solid number on exactly what that is but it is a majority of those staff but is if you add this up it's like 95% it's 95% % of Staff who do commute from outside the city yeah yeah are using those so that's not the total that's not the total that's not 95%

[89:01] total City staff it's of Staff who live outside the community oh okay yeah and so which is still a majority but that exact percentage fluctuates I'm on the wrong so we're boiling this down and what we have concluded is that Alpine Ballam is a strategic location on the western side of town to continue to serve people where they live outside of the Civic area itself where we don't fit really down here for our services Alpine balam is in a very centralized location on this western side and its proximity to this historic core preserves that strong connection between both the sites and that can be further strengthened through our Broadway Corridor and that Broadway Corridor makes this site quite accessible to our community along this edge of town so our facility's master plan will continue to explore opportunities to consolidate other services out e East and provide a complimentary service Hub but implementation of anything out in the East would be on a much longer time Horizon so then the factor of time and

[90:02] this is um kind of simple but very important for us we talked last time um at our May 16th meeting I believe that we are more or less on borrowed time with Park Central and New Britain and we need to vacate these buildings and have a plan to vacate these buildings soon we also are interested in getting out of expensively space at Center grain and the Pavilion is actually an opportunity right now to address these immediate needs but it also addresses our longer term needs of facilities and so then we move on to the money side of the equation and at uh again at our May 16th meeting you Council had requested that we better break down our cost estimates for what renovation would be and so um this graph here is going to help break those down a little further we start with just a base construction cost in this range and at this point we have vetted this with sort of multiple sources who are experienced with construction in the city and this is a pretty agreed upon average Reign for construction across the

[91:02] city on top of that as a percentage of those construction costs you have design and professional fees development fees and contingencies and then we have escalation and this is where we have that biggest range in what potential escalation can be and this is really uh how much risk do we want to take and what the construction Market will do and depending on who you are you determine to take varying levels of risk our estimates have been purposely conservative but have been based on what we have seen in a pretty um ever increasing construction Market can you just explain the range is that per year assuming a few years that's the range or why that's a huge range it is a huge range and so depending this is where we asked a number of people and we looked at our own cost estimating um and different people people had different projections it's a bit of like looking in the crystal ball and it's how much you think that that construction Market is going to escalate over the next

[92:01] couple years so we wouldn't actually go and bid this project and get a cost for two years and so we're looking a bit into the crystal ball about what the Market's going to do over that period of time our estimates have been based on what we've been seeing recently which has been a pretty escalating Market but so that's just the escalation until we would if we pursu a timeline till we get to actual construction that's right yeah yep and it is a compounding percentage as opposed to the the items below are just a percentage of construction cost this is a compounding percentage which is where it gets that much bigger so all of these costs would be in basically anybody any developers um budget and this is a range now of between $350 up to $500 a square foot depending on where you land with escalation the city has included in our kind of all-in budget these additional um elements so we have to include

[93:00] fixtures furniture and Equipment which normally are passed on to uh a tenant from a developer in those costs but in order for us to fully move into the building we would need to include these and we've also included um the cost to go to Net Zero so beyond our regulatory requirements to get our buildings to really be high performing Net Zero buildings so again all of these costs would be um included no matter where we develop in the city if we chose a site though outside of um what we have currently at Alpine ballum we would also have to include land acquisition costs and parking and so it's another advantage that we're taking that we see at Alpine balam is that we have that 400 space parking structure to help offset and um use for our parking needs if we were to look elsewhere in the city we would have to include those costs for Associated parking as well which be before before you move on maybe you could um back up a little bit and paint a picture of of what um I know we're deconstructing around the building right right and so um maybe you could paint a

[94:01] little bit of a picture of what we're going to start with in other words these costs are based on what what what is the inside of the building going to look like um are there some walls have to build do we have HVAC do we have elevators like maybe describe what we're going to start with yeah so right now as we proceed with deconstruction that project's scope includes deconstructing the entire interior ior of the Pavilion so really cleaning it back out to its concrete shell and so we would need to rebuild all of our mechanical systems we learned uh through our experience on the Brenton building the costs associated with renovating that building just by repairing those two exterior walls that we're going to tear down are going to trigger us to have to meet our current energy codes which really means when we investigated the mechanical systems we're going to have to do a full replacement of those systems um so we're we're starting really from a base concrete structure so way to look at this is we got the land and a little bit of vertical concrete and that's kind of about it we have the structure and this

[95:00] and it's a Concrete structure and so it's not insignificant but yes that is really what we have land we have parking and we have a structure y okay thanks so we've showed you this analysis before but it's still relevant to understand the value of investing in renovation of the Pavilion versus spending money in lease space lease space is cheaper upfront it's why people do it um when there's a short-term scenario when they're you know investigating something but over time we see that investing in an asset um does end up avoiding costs and in our analysis over 50 years we do end up avoiding about a hundred million um in costs when we go with renovation over that lease space and the city is a long-term tenant um with a presence here so this is is where we conclude this is a good investment it also um allows us to leverage this kind of asset as collateral as we look to advance other

[96:00] types of initiatives so without this we don't have those assets another clarifying question if I can jump in um this is um the lease costs are primarily the um Center Green Building is that right these lease costs would presume if we had to lease an equal building so it would we're looking at needing to find lease space to vacate Park central New Britain so this is presuming the lease cost that we currently hold at Center Green Plus additional lease cost for Park Central New Britain yes just remind us again the the um our lease cost at um centor green is about a million a year about a million dollars a year okay and then you projected escalations over time yeah and then so this carries that escalation of that uh lease rate over time and we've just applied the same conditions to um an equal lease for Park Central New Britain would you would be comparable in size which is pretty comparable in size yeah okay great thanks sorry so boiling things back down to our summary um we bought this site in part

[97:01] to really address the needs of our city facilities and as we continue to assess this site and this opportunity we see it as a strategic loc location in town very close to our Civic Corps that again provides significant space to provide services where people live and it's available right now to renovate when considering the alternative to lease space over the long term we find this to be a good investment cost-wise but also energy energy-wise in trying to achieve our energy goals so the city has developed a funding strategy for the Pavilion which we are going to present in the 2020 budget programming and design could be funded through in 2021 and 2020 and 2021 using general fund Capital dollars for a total of $2 million over those two years in 202 22 we would propose to issue debt for construction which is currently estimated at about a $3 million annual payment um and this would be over about a 30-year lease term by this time in

[98:02] 2022 that we would have refined those um actual design decisions and and talked about whether the fourth floor is in there and this number would be refined based on um current interest rates as well so those things do get refined after renovation though we would be able to vacate the lease at Center Green and redirect that million dollars um annually towards the repayment of this debt and so this approach incorporates this existing expense or this expense using general fund Capital dollars into the existing City budget and it's not requiring new or additional funding if we do not proceed with renovation of the Pavilion we will be coming back with roughly an equal request to lease space to be able to vacate Park Central and New Britain and we'll start lease payments on that and which will escalate over time so in the moment yeah sir are you estimating that it would be six years before we could move into the

[99:01] building it is roughly about a two-year design process we'd have to go through a full site review um and so that site review Tech docs takes about two years and roughly a twoyear probably a little less construction time but a little leeway in entitlement so from the time we start it's probably about a four four and a half year process so could you run the um the design phase concurrently like started soon while the hospitals Decon being deconstructed that would be the goal is that we would start design so well so that's four four and a half years but you're talking about 2025 and that slide which is six years oh yeah so yeah this was looking ahead if we could get in there sooner um you know in 2024 somewhere in there these are sort of rough timelines by 2025 we could vacate that LE yeah sorry maybe 2023 or 2024 that might be a little optimistic but yeah yeah by 2025 would be we would be able to redirect that payment and you know we would be shooting for as soon as

[100:01] possible okay thanks Michelle I may have missed this in the memo but what was the escalator rate for the lease rates oh I don't have that off the top of my head but I could pull that back out for you we based the escalation on what we're seeing at Center Green which I believe is 3% annually yes 3% yeah that's pretty good because my escalations have been higher than that so just as a yeah and I think yeah so that's a conservative number conservative on the $2 million that that um you're going to ask us to fund I think in a few weeks right when we do the budget for the general fund um it sounds like some of that money will be used for um design work some will be used for entitlements some will be maybe generic for how you create an office building some might be specific to the city needs if at the end of that period or some word in the middle of that period whoever's on council at that point in time decides to go a different

[101:00] direction and they want to sell it as a somebody else's office building how much um how much that 2 million could be recouped I me the entitlements obviously would be because somebody's got to get the entitlements done right you have IDE the work that we do through the entitlement phase um that it could be valuable to somebody else anything that we do past that and and you know roughly speaking it's about a a 5050 it's about maybe a million you know and half the process towards that site review and entitlement phase and then roughly half the process that really makes this a purpose build building but even there though um presumably it's going to be an office building for somebody it's either going to be office building for us or somebody else so even presumbly some of that second million could possibly be repurposed for somebody I mean hard it's hard to say how much value somebody else could see is you know is you really in that last phase you get very specific about how mechanical systems are run to specific spaces and and that's the purpose built part of that and so it would be hard to say that that would be valuable I think it's um more clear that

[102:00] entitling the project would have a potential value that could in theory be recouped and pass that would be really hard to to pinpoint okay thanks so you mentioned that the building has to go through site review um is that partiel two acres or is there another Criterion that triggers the site review I think it's because of the height of the building yeah and it's in a it's in a site review right now and so you would need to amend the present site review approval okay got it thank you okay keep going okay so in these last couple moments we I really just wanted to share with you at least an early Vision that we have for the site and what we're thinking about City facilities um up on the Alpine balam site we do do not want to start our vision here with replicating the office spaces that we have today what if our buildings could be a place where our community shares Innovation with our staff and amazing

[103:00] things happen in places like this we envision creating an interactive place in this building to promote positive and interactions between the city and the community in environments that Inspire us through ART and installations that speak to the Innovative place that Boulder is and remind us of the greatest accomplishments of this city that put us on a World stage we want to learn from things that we're already doing successfully so meeting spaces like we see at the Boulder Public Library that every day are shared by both the community and the staff on that ground floor space or the bridge that we commonly see our staff and our community sharing that space we want to learn from what we did at Brenton where we took our worst energy performing building and turned it into one of our best and the first all electric building in the city we also created more welcoming spaces there and better staff work spaces what if we could feel moments of joy in our buildings like so many of us feel here living in Boulder and Inspire new conversations and a collaborative

[104:00] dialogue about the future of our city we want to harness the nature of Boulder in our buildings and these are the ideas and visions that we have for this site at this early stage and the goals that we're reaching for here so with that I hope this information has been helpful and for the discussion that we have planned for this evening and can take any more questions so we've been kind of asking as we go anymore go ahead Mary so I have a couple more thank you for that presentation um at the beginning of the presentation you mentioned that you were looking at 22 buildings is the facilities master plan limited to those 22 buildings no the total facilities master plan is not limited we want to look at all of our buildings and through those six um core areas that we talked about so our energy and our sustainability and um our exper experience in in those buildings the 22 buildings are those that we've identified could be considered for consolidation meaning that they aren't anchored to a specific geography in the

[105:00] city like a Rec Center is it serves a specific area in the city those 22 buildings are scattered throughout in different um areas and and we could consider consolidating them and achieving those efficiencies so you're looking at all city-owned buildings throughout the whole city um are you considering Parcels as well uh at the own land Parcels we are not at the moment looking at Parcels but again early in our our master plan and I think this is where there's sort of feedback but right now the focus is really on our facilities okay and um the other thing that you mentioned in the presentation was customer desks and I wanted to get an idea of um the customers and what services there are that are being provided at those customer desks yes so that map that um I shared I can put back back up on the screen um this one yeah we can go back to that ah okay oops sorry take a little bit to get back

[106:03] there um but those are the services so we have a wide range of services um that we provide whoops at those desks apologies it takes there we go that one okay yeah so we're doing anything from building permit to helping install car seats to doing educational programs um we do domestic Partnerships with our city clerk we do um bulk water stations we service um we help with CU at our Fleet stations um so that's where we've looked at all those city services and and that's kind of the the range of things that we're providing thank you yeah um Sam and then Lisa great so I have two questions one is about the fourth floor so when we saw this plan a while ago one of the things that was kind of surprising was that the fourth floor didn't have many employees

[107:00] in it and the discussion then was around public inter interaction and interface and so at at first I was imagining that on the fourth floor there was all this empty space but instead you would do that on the first floor right would the first floor be kind of where the visions that you were putting out as as far as the pictures and the interaction and then you'd have employees likely service desks and so on two three and four you know all those things is what we would like to explore through the design phases and so early thoughts are the customer um service desks in these areas and those uh spaces like the meeting space at the Boulder Public Library we would offer on the first floor and try to have a very transparent first floor but we also um you know just in the back of the napkin saw the opportunity to bring the Community up to that top floor and share you know the amazing views and the opportunities up there as well and so we thought you know there could be a blend of those things but all of that is

[108:00] design work and and things that we would get into in a lot more detail in the design phases of course I just wanted to hear back what you're thinking had been um and then if you can go to the slide that shows the benefits of consolidation um I mean this is a pretty powerful slide about what the the savings are and so on um I was curious about with the carbon savings have you thought about putting a price on carbon and then thinking about what the the I mean we have a we have a climate goal right climate commitment and this would be a huge step forward in being able to meet that climate commitment from the city's standpoint um but there's also the component of their's economic value that we're told we should attribute to that and so I don't know if it's a city you've given any thought to that I don't need an answer right now but it might be something that you consider just like omm's cash that we save you know the value of the reduced carbon emissions is

[109:01] something that we have considered presenting what that is is part of our facility's master plan and quantifying that and really it's it's a lot of that early work that we've done on trying to understand how our facilities will meet these climate commitment goals that really without looking at consolidation it it won't be something that we can achieve just can't replace mechanical systems with a new more energy efficient model we we really have to look at some um fairly aggressive measures and I will just note while we're hearing on that subject that the going to Net Zero Adder is about 5% so it's really amazing what the technology is allowing these days as far as being able to achieve Net Zero in a big commercial building and increase the price 5% to do that Al Lisa um so I'm back I'm back on your slide um entitled the urban context and right now you

[110:01] showed that a significant proportion of our uh staff come from Northeast East or from us36 so why not why bring them all the way over to the west side of town and why not I I'm just asking a question and so I we're not supposed to be clapping it's just a question sorry that this is where I give the little speech about no booing no clapping just so that everybody feels like this is a safe space to have whatever opinions they want if you want to agree with something do that thank you very much so do you understand my question why why not just start with the Eastern Edge or Eastern side of town now where real estate is maybe less expensive where um traffic is less congested well in relation to staff

[111:02] coming across so we looked at this as relation in proportion to the number of people just coming in and out of Boulder and we're talking we have about a thousand staff in total and we have about 50,000 people coming in and out of Boulder each day so when we really looked at the impact of Staff moving across it wasn't an enormous Factor on that it will be an advantage if we can intercept people um further out east but more importantly what we were seeing and why we wanted to continue to provide services here are the two key reasons that this is where people live and are trying to access our services and it also maintains that close proximity to here the Civic core and so we we don't think we're going to accomplish all of our needs on this western edge of town so we will continue to look out east to try to look at how consolidation for the reasons in that slide of the efficiencies we can achieve that will be an opportunity there but one it it has a

[112:00] much longer time Horizon there's a lot to do to try to even get there it took us several years just to find a site for instance for Fire Station 3 it took us you know it'll take us more time even with sites we own to look at the Redevelopment the pavilion's an opportunity now and we we need to look at vacating two buildings that are are on their so that that's kind of yeah so then um I'm just curious at we own um property uh large parking lot on Canyon and and area that we had called the East bookends what's happened with that the east book end of the Civic area yeah I mean we own that property so what's happened with that property in terms of its potential Redevelopment so if Council recall um we talked about the East bookend and originally we were working on doing East bookend planning parallel with alpine boson planning and we had a check-in about Alpine Balon then we had a

[113:00] check-in on the east book end and the direction that Council gave us at that time was to not locate city services at the East book end and focus at Alpine balam so we've put that planning effort on hold um and I think Michelle correct me if I'm wrong on this um even if we were to look at the East book end for City Services there is not enough space there um to achieve all of the needs of city services so there will always be multiple service hubs um throughout the city and as Michelle described um a key part is where we serve the community and where we then run other operations so we always Envision that there will be multiple service hubs so the question is where should the one be um that is near where people live so that they can come and obtain those Services thank you Chris and then I had a question um you had mentioned something about escalation of costs over 30 years and that we would be basically allocating something like three $3 million for that so what's the rate over time so it's not just going to

[114:02] be 3 million times 30 years right what would be the making it 90 million what would be the total you mean the full Debt Service um I don't have the full Debt Service number actually um off hand but I think yeah Cheryl from our finance department I think hi Cheryl patelli CFO um these uh Debt Service we used a 4% interest rate for uh the the debt that tough and then my last question so I've got a follow up for um Cheryl um so quick question you I assume that your department was involved in the Net Present Value calculations were presented so what was the discount rate you used for the net present value I believe we use 4% as well we we wanted typically in government you use the same rate as what you can borrow at so okay and isn't the discount rate in that case

[115:01] normally like the rate of inflation like what what you know because you're inflating you're looking into the future and saying what are my dollars worth in 20 years from now right and they're worth less so there were whatever 60 cents in 20 years but I thought you usually used an inflation rate as opposed to an interest rate for Net Present Value it just depends on the situation like a lot of companies would not use an inflation rate they would use their cost of capital rate so um for for us I mean we've always used our um interest rate but we certainly could run the numbers with the inflation rate because that would change the numbers because that's less than the 4% I just wanted to know what you had used um but that's interesting thank you you're welcome and then my last my last question um this no thank you Cheryl um this is to Michelle um so you prepared

[116:00] this and this is a great graphic I thank you for that um but you talk about we have 22 buildings what what are our future plans for those 22 buildings what would we do with that that is the work that we're trying to do in our our master plan so we just kicked off our master plan in the beginning of the summer and then we kind of focused our efforts on trying to help answer some of these questions but it's really what we want to look at is what would we do with these properties how could monetizing some of these go towards again implementation of those goals what other the properties so that's what we want to keep um looking at and then come back to council with more information on so those could be um just to go a little deeper those could be sold off to some other third interested party or those properties could be used for housing or for other purposes that's precisely what we want to look at yes they could be used for other purposes yeah okay thank you but some of these it appears they're

[117:01] not all equal like maybe there's like the Municipal Court we're not going to put housing in Municipal Court um so that's going to stay a court presumably well that's SP that we lease and So eventually we'll have to get out of that space and the county actually has plans to ultimately move out of that building um because it's in the high Hazard flood zone so but yeah each one of these properties will take an assessment and that's when we've started to look at that and some of them you know are are more some of them it looks like there's certain uses a subset so like the main library I presume always stay a library but there's some Communications and channel 8 that's there that could be moved that's but the library will continue to be the library right the library will continue but a number of those properties are the whole building but yeah there's um for okay good remind me again Michelle um the um the $58 million estimated for this uh renovation does that include the

[118:00] additional floor that does yes it does and so how many square feet um would the building be with the additional floor roughly 93,000 Square ft 93,000 okay and if we looked just to see what you know the market is out there for a 93,000 is s foot building not not talking about building a new building but just like are the 93 square foot buildings out there and are there comps out there you kind of best back to Lisa's point about other parts of town yeah there's not a ton 93,000 square feet but it is something we can come back I know we've been asked about getting some comps for those um and so we need to to look at some of that for an equal yeah I I get the fact that they may Net Zero they may have not have the beautiful artwork we talking about so on so forth I'm just kind of curious you know what is what is it if if it exists out there you know one or two bons that add up to 93,000 Ft what what does it go for regardless of what part of town it's in y okay great thanks okay shall we go to the next part two of the presentation because we have a lot of people that want to talk to

[119:03] us so we're done with yeah for now we can always ask questions afterwards 35 people sign very good good evening members of council our team is very happy to present the uh draft Alpine balam area plan tonight um we have okay come on um we have a number of questions for the city council in discussion to provide um we'd like to walk through these questions with the council to provide feedback um to outline any changes that you would like to see before the final public hearing and adoption late in September and October um for the presentation uh for the council and for the community members that are here um and those watching I'm going to briefly address and try to do this as quickly as I can there's a lot to cover um why the area plan how it'll be used how it was developed what

[120:01] actually does the plan say um our next steps and then to outline the recommendations that our planning board members made so starting at why the area plan the purposes of area planning are described in our comprehensive plan primarily to bridge that gap between broad policies in the comp plan and site specific project review and capital Improvement planning especially where there are significant opportunities in the area as there are um in this area the comprehensive plan outlines the purposes to um clarify that desired future of the area of the city um where um changes are expected and also to identify available um achievable implementation methods and so um for Alpine Balsam it's really important to address the changing nature of the hospital Hospital site and the impact that has on The Wider area um when this important Community use has been there for over 90 years also as Michelle described um to meet that

[121:01] um the the need that is um one of the key purposes for purchase of the site um with the renovation of the Pavilion um to provide that centralized location for delivery of ser city services was also identified to meet the critical need for affordable housing within the city and also um as the identified neighborhood center with our comp plan policy direction that these important places in our in our city provide that mix of uses that contribute to the walkable 15minute neighborhoods Alpine balam also is a node um in the central Broadway Corridor framework and we acknowledge with this plan the important role that this area plays for the nearby neighborhoods outlining and also outlining the opportunity for improvements along the corridor the plan will be used um to provide that common understanding of the expected changes and the desired characteristics it will be used to

[122:02] inform the comp plan land use map changes to that as well as future zoning and to guide site review for individual projects the connections plan will be administered as a right ofo plan and will improve will inform Capital Improvements planning after the area plan is adopted staff will develop the implementation plan that will be shared with the planning board and the city council and this will work will include the deeper zoning assessment and focus on phasing and funding how the plan was developed so a as you recall um we after the city decided to purchase the property we embarked on a about a year-long process that resulted in the vision plan that laid out the um wide aspirations for the for the hospital Redevelopment site with for the area plan we started this the area plan process the area plan process early last year there have been four

[123:01] phases of community engagement that have shaped the analysis and considerations for this plan at each of these phases when we checked in with the city council and the planning board we have shared what we learned with community members and the council um has provided direction to inform the additional site analysis um the option development as well as um additional Community engagement as recently as our conversation in June we um you reviewed draft components of the area plan and narrowed the options for Community feedback since then we held um four open houses two walking tours an online questionnaire meetings with property owners and community members key themes were similar to what we've heard in Prior Community engagement around the importance of housing um mixed use the range of views in the community about density and building Heights um and also access and Mobility what we heard shaped what you see in the final plan so what the plan

[124:00] says it includes the the draft plan includes each of these components land use Urban Design historic preservation connections access and Mobility Urban services and implementation next steps um as you recall you saw drafts of these components in June and what has what you from what you saw then um the draft plan has been refined and narrowed based on the community feedback and assessment how to address um all of the goals and objectives that we've laid out for the area plan the draft plan describes a vision for the area building on the adopted Vision plan analysis Community feedback and direction from the decision makers over the past year it includes the unique nature of this area as a mixed use Neighborhood Center close to the downtown that will be home for the new Civic use City and potentially County service service centers replacing the Boulder Community Hospital it will be a place for new housing woven into the fabric of an area that's already rich in diverse housing this area offers an

[125:02] incredible opportunity to further the city's access on Mobility sustainability and climate goals in ways that benefit the entire area um as well as that site the land use and Urban Design are the really the the meat of the plan the primary um focus that lay out the future land uses and character of the area and include a mix of Civic residential retail and mixed use mixed uses that would allow both uh residential and Commercial uses what is recommended aims to balance many goals and address many concerns these recommendations are based on long-standing policy direction from the Boulder Valley comprehensive plan for sustainable Urban form specifically policy direction to seek opportunity unities to improve the balance of jobs and housing by encouraging new housing and mixed use in neighborhood centers close to where people work encouraging Transit and all all all mode access and

[126:01] Mobility the recommended land uses for the site balance the need for new housing with existing density and character for the area acknowledging that the current site is home to a large Hospital adjacent to a treasured retail Center and neighborhood park both single family and multif family housing and major transportation Corridor the land use plan proposes the most intensity where it has been at the neighborhood center core at Broadway and Alpine decreasing from the core to transition to residential areas outside the plan boundary the land use plan outlines um land use designations and prototypes and so I I re recognize that all of these planning terms are a little bit confusing to folks so let me try to help with that um the plan outlines the uses and designations and prototypes that in conjunction with all of that that you see in the Urban Design section of the plan will inform both the comprehensive plan land use map and the future zoning

[127:03] um we can either um we'll be doing that assessment to either apply existing zoning districts or create new ones that match the intent of what we're trying to achieve with this plan and it may also um it will also inform other design controls that could include foras code or design guidelines or um some other tools that we deci decide would actually best result in the outcomes for this area Jean can just you're going right to it never mind yep okay so the land use prototypes um these don't reflect exactly what you see in the in the Boulder Valley comprehensive plan land use designations because they offer that little bit more finer grain um to be able to inform more specific zoning so we will take these we'll align them um for the changes to the comp plan land use map but also use them to um either assign or create specific zoning to help achieve what's what's described in each of these prototypes this was similar to what was done in the transit Village

[128:01] area plan and how we took um what was in those plans with prototypes into then um zoning and form base code and other design controls so walking through quickly walking through the recommended land uses um as we've just um heard with the renovation of the Pavilion and the Brenton building the Civic land Civic uses um at the corner of Alpine and Broadway in these areas and potentially with that either or um for the um parcel in the center block along Alpine the residential uses are a wide range of these the high density residential one is proposed in MO for most of the residential areas in the planning area much of this is already developed as high density housing new new housing would be on the west block of the site that would be in the form of town homes or small apartments with a three-story maximum and within that existing 35t height limit the high

[129:00] density residential 2 which is three story stack Flats is proposed only in the center block there on that Northern portion along balam and noting with this that there would be a significant setback from balam um to accommodate the flood mitigation area on the Northern portion of the site okay I'll stay close to the microphone so I have a question here Jean this is Sam um it appears that high density residential 2 doesn't appear in the area plan draft itself so unless I'm missing something page 26 oh page 26 is missing from our print out so never mind I'm sorry it's okay that's weird okay but just you know whenever somebody interrupts you we we got a pile on so that that setback um the what's the approximate anticipated size of that setback from know at this point we've got we've we've estimated pretty conservatively at about 100 feet um

[130:00] because we don't know exactly what we're going to do is um instead of doing a lot more of that site engineering at this point we wanted to wait and do that along with the um deconstruction and the next work with site grading um but it will be um 100 100 feet or less 100t or l which is pretty significant which ises does any about how wide is this room this is kind of I'm kind of eyeballing it at 8 90 anybody know yeah anyway so big set signicant so since I have a question to um so on the setback would that have a detached sidewalk and aren't you getting to that I am getting to that okay we've got some graphics there's some graphics in the plan that show both that um section and um the mitigation okay um so high density then residential three the four story at stacked Flats Apartments is proposed only on that um center block middle um

[131:00] Southern section that could be the either or housing or the four story um Civic use should the county locate there and I'll get to that um more in a minute too so with mixed use um this is proposed in select locations throughout the neighborhood center Corp along Broadway um and um proposed within um along Broadway and in a few select areas just um along North and Alpine and can you at some point clarify what it means to identify something versus whether we're identifying change happening or for the future like make sure you cover that part yep I got that okay so mixed use offers the opportunity for new housing in these areas um and it accommodates a range of non-residential and Commercial uses as are existing today it offers the opportunity to add

[132:00] housing um should properties redevelop and the photo um here shows that mixed use building on Broadway that when we um held the small group workshops and talked about land uses in the area folks thought this was an example of things that worked well in the area and that's what we were um would be a good example of what you might see in some of the mixed use one areas and um mayor we we understand there have been a lot of questions about what this means especially for the retail centers and we want to be clear a change in land use and and Zoning does not require Property Owners to redevelop or to change buildings or uses changing from the community business um that we see in in the retail areas of this area um to mixed use signals the intention that aligns with our comprehensive plan policy to allow and perhaps encourage some housing um to occur along with these retail and Commercial uses the purpose for this is to be providing flexibility should markets change or needs change in the shortterm or the

[133:01] long-term periods this can provide that healthy intermingling of uses and contribute to that 15minute neighborhood um to meet many needs the housing retail or employment um in that relatively compact area additional ground floor was there keep going then we have question additional ground floor retail and some housing um could be allowed today under the community business um land use or the um BC zoning and as we consider the future zoning we can be specific to the needs of the different areas Within These mixed use areas um and for example as noted in the Urban Design plan certain building frontages are required in certain areas to provide the space for the active uses that contribute to that um active pedestrian environment at the ground level Sam and then may so um this is a land use change and not a zoning change that's being discussed just to be clear and distinct about it so the land use change is kind of part

[134:01] of the map that comes in the comp plan and then later zoning changes if we decide to do so specifically around housing is any is this change in land use change what could be built there or does it just signal the intention of housing being desirable at this point it doesn't change the zoning and what would be allowed um but we would be exploring that right but so any action that we take by the end of September if we adopt this area plan and we adopt the land use change it does not materially change the types of building or the types of uses that can go in that location where Community the community Plaza and Ideal Market are not yet right not yet well you mean no it doesn't it doesn't change the Zone it means no yeah no no it but it does signify an area of change and so I think our typical process if somebody wanted

[135:01] to take it through would hey hey Lyn stop that okay that they would um that they they would concurrently request um a comprehensive plan land use map change in a rezoning of course that all anticipates that we put zoning in place that's going to be cons consistent with the vision that's identified in the plan so I think that there's probably a a number of steps that will have to take place before you would be able to reone the property right and the any rezoning that would occur we wouldn't necessarily have to rezone the property and any rezoning that we did you know would be potentially consistent with what's there now and what's allowed now I mean because housing is allowed as a use in in community business in community business now that's correct and so if we were to change it to some kind of mixed use um Zone housing would still be allowed that's correct and okay wait there's a long queue here well I'm just trying to to make

[136:01] sure that we're clear that this step that we would take this month would not necessarily change anything about what could arrive on the ground as far as housing and the way the housing is laid out yeah that's correct and frankly community business zoning if my memory serves me as essentially high density allows basically high density residential to occur now right and so that is part of the use stable project that we're going through is combing through the use stables and looking at what we want where that's part of the whole goal of that project and So eventually we will get to both what zoning this property those properties may have as well as what could or could not be allowed in those Zone districts so at any rate just the changes that we would make to land use in this process would not be determinative as to what the zoning would be or what the uses allowed would be over time so stop stop me is

[137:01] next then you good Lord C if we're saying that currently in the business community business Zone which these are already we're allowing housing why I understand you're going off the plan to say that this is what the comp plan is is wanting to move forward to if it already allows it why are we making this land use shift I mean did the community ask for this I mean because I will say this area is probably wait wait wait we're doing clarifying questions okay well that's I'm clarifying I want to know why we're doing this because this is from what I've heard one of the most adored areas so I think we're freaking people out cuz I'm freaked out right sure so let me try and start to answer the question and then I'll let others dive in as well so as a part of an area planning process what you really want to describe is or or lay out as a guide for how you want

[138:02] change to occur in that area over time and so what we have in the comprehensive plan right now is a policy and some guiding principles about our neighborhood centers and we spent a lot of time talking about that when we talked about um some of our zoning changes related to bc1 and bc2 as well um earlier this year and what we talked about is that each Neighborhood Center is slightly unique um but we have a lot of really great neighborhood centers in this community um this neighborhood center is probably one of our best and one of our most cherished and one of our most successful and so when we draw um this land use map in the area plan what we're trying to show is the intent of the comprehensive plan which is we want this to remain a neighborhood Center and we want it to if it redevelops um to explore mixed use so we're signaling the intention that we already have in policy form in the comprehensive plan now in

[139:00] the area plan itself and so um after this the implementation steps are what we've talked about in a lot of our code changes which is how do you make sure that you guide the Redevelopment when Property Owners come forward for redevelopment of especially neighborhood centers and make sure we don't lose the stuff we love um and that as that Redevelopment occurs um that we make sure that it achieves the mixed use Vision that we have and so that's why we've indicated in the area plan that it would be a mixed use area okay thanks okay so we have Lisa then Mary then Bob then Aaron so I have a clarifying question and that is my understanding on mixed use where you have housing it's not required to be affordable hous housing in fact we don't make it affordable housing is that correct correct um we would apply our inclusionary housing rules to whatever residential was built so on mixed use on mixed use and same thing with

[140:01] CB same thing with CB okay thank you um Mary so to ask Sam's question kind of a different way is if somebody if um a property owner came in tomorrow say the property owner for um the ideal Market Plaza if they came in tomorrow um what could be built there now what kind of proposal could they bring forward now what would it include well it's hard to look into a crystal ball but um there is a lot of flexibility that's um permitted by our site review process so there would be you know they could propose underground parking and you know build something in the parking lot um I know that one of the important values in the site review criteria is historic preservation and the plan does recognize um that there is a historic

[141:00] preservation component associated with the ideal Market property in the Colony Plaza as well so I think that those would be big factors that would be taken into consideration you know for whatever development proposal somebody would bring in but um BC zoning is a flexible zoning district and as part of that site review that a a property owner might come in for at this location is a height um extion I don't believe that and Chris correct me if I'm wrong if I'm wrong on this but I don't believe that this is one of the areas in the code where you can go above 35 ft yes that's correct okay is this is not is not it's not unless you know there is a provision in the code that you know if you do 40% affordable housing you can do it anywhere in town but I think that that would probably you would have to do that kind of a project to go over 35 ft okay Bob and then Aaron guess I'm still trying to

[142:02] understand the things that Mary and mirbi asked so let me just kind of back up um the kind of the I call it the light purple um or Le most of the light purple where Ideal Market is and the community center and the shopping stuff um that's BC right now is that correct that's correct and there's a proposal to change it to mu1 is that correct it's on the L use designation not a zoning change I get that and can you do a side by-side comparison of what those two things are like what what what do they what does BC allow and what does mu allow and and why are we making the change because I I still don't understand the reason for the change does mu allow things that BC doesn't and we're trying to get those incremental things or what's the Delta there well I I think that primarily um it's indicating the type of change that the community would want um the the community the community

[143:00] business um um land use is frankly it's it's not a particularly fine grained or specific land use designation so I I so for example you could build what I mean exp you could build housing you could build retail you can build office you could so is Mu more restrictive than BC are we are we ratcheting down the things that can go are you saying the BC can do lots and mu can do little less or or what's the difference um I believe it would the difference ultimately would come down to how you design the zoning to implement the plan and I think that that could take shape in a variety of forms and it would be done really once you once the the council and planning board adopts a plan setting the objectives for the property um we would have to develop zoning that would Implement that I have to say we keep asking the question why and I I don't hear anybody telling us an

[144:00] answer so well I okay the and I I'll invite staff to join me if they would care to but I think that the primary thing is an indication that if there is Redevelopment that there' be a residential component to it so so you can't do Residential now but you could do get residential mu is that what you're saying you could do it in both but this is actually stating in a policy document that you like say you would prefer residential over office or so so let me oh you want to jump in but I just want to make sure I'm do over here okay so I have a cqu on this real quick um that you want to go ahead Aon well yeah I I do actually because and my my question is um you know you given the Beloved nature of our two shopping centers here could we consider um you know having an area here uh that carried along a land use designation that uh that paralleled with the current one is because I believe that that is also a mixed use zoning District right the BC

[145:00] is a mixed use zoning District so I just wonder if would that be a possibility to you know have the area plan have those you know two shopping centers have a designation that shows that hey it's you know pretty much what you could allow right now it could it could remain community business um I think that you know as we've tried to describe the intention is to set forth a future based on our comprehensive plan policy that allow that that directs the should there be evolution in this area the flexibil the flexibility um to be adding housing um but maintaining those retail uses just one more thing I'll just remind us that we did uh change the rules on the BC zoning recently to require retail on the ground floor which I mean does kind of go with the neighborhood center kind of feel we can talk about it more when we deliberate but just something to keep in mind about that the current zoning does have flexibility in certain ways I mean I just want to mention again that land use

[146:00] designations are different than zoning the zoning here as Aaron points out is bc2 there's actually three properties here which I did not realize without looking it up but the colony shopping center is one and then the ideal shopping center is actually two different properties all zone bc2 so nothing that could happen um would be able to not have retail on the ground floor so these neighborhood centers would always have to preserve retail on the ground floor under the bc2 zoning and I don't know that we would want to rezone out of the bc2 zoning because that would be a very important component for this neighborhood center is to keep retail on the ground floor no matter what else gets built there so I have a question and see if I'm interpreting this right because I think maybe be a lot of unees we're not saying by this plan that we want the area to redevelop but owners have a way of coming forward with development plans and so if they ever did that's

[147:02] what we're planning for is that correct yeah that's a good way putting okay I I just think it needs to be said we don't want Ideal Market to change but 10 years from now they may come forward with a plan and they may make it into something we don't want so we're trying to say hey if they come forward let's tell them what we'd like to see I just think we need to say that we love Ideal Market okay so can I call on that at least I think that's what okay well does does change it to Mu make it harder for somebody to make that a change then are is that what you're saying makes it harder for somebody to change it away from what it is right now that's got of be yes or no sorry well I I think the answer would be it's would be how you designed the zoning to implement it and that hasn't been done yet okay okay so hey come on people um clearly this is a point we need to iron out and we got that go ahead Aron yeah and because I I totally get what you're saying but I think it's also part of the challenge in discussing the AA plan that

[148:00] we'll have to drill into is that uh these designations are um they're not even a land use I mean they're not they're not a zoning District they don't correspond to a particular zoning District you're saying we might create new zoning districts right which might have all their own rules so there's so there's an interest and an aspiration being expressed here but there's no specificity right so it's all still kind of a TBD sort of a thing so I think that's what we have to kind of grapple with as we continue forward with adopting this area plan is I know there are a lot of people who are concerned about what could it be but we actually haven't we wouldn't be nailing that down yeah well and then also to the extent that the council and the planning board wants to articulate what the vision is that that's the process we're in right now exactly and um you know we look forward to the direction that you give us so that you know when we take the next crank at the plan that we can reflect what um the planning board and the council values okay and I'll just add one more thing which is I'm pretty

[149:01] sure I'll just speak as a lay person that didn't go through planning board but I don't think the average person on the street understands the difference between land use and zoning and I frankly not sure I could articulate the distinctions that we are making right now and that's one one of the reasons why it's confusing of course and also alarming I think um so I'm just going to throw that out there we understand we need to keep bringing everybody along with this discussion one more thing and then we're going to go back to the presentation so Mary had suggested that one of the ways that we make sure we get what we want and the any Redevelopment that comes forward neither of these shopping centers that the owners would propose not us is that there be some kind of form based code so to get a little even more geeky you can kind of determine what the buildings will be shapewise in a property and so one of the reasons that we might want to come

[150:00] and look at zoning in the future in this location and I don't know that it needs this land use change to do it is because if we did form base code in this area and put a new zoning District we could more tightly control the outcomes so not only requiring retail on the first floor but dictating what the buildings look like and how close they have to be to the street so you could prevent a Redevelopment um that has very wide openen terms allowed and create more tightly controlled like where buildings are and what they look like the point of all that is that if there's discussion of this going forward in the future of a rezoning it would be in the context potentially of us being able to get better control over the potential changes rather than less control and I'll just add to that the one of the goals being for the form baseed code would be to preserve what people really like about these shopping centers which is the views that you can get and um and

[151:00] that's something that right now we don't have any control or say if they came in tomorrow it could all just be 35t buildings with underground parking throughout the whole parking lot so I will say throughout this process we had um you know and folks have talked about ways to add housing in the area there have been a lot of different ideas proposed um and we you know there's not been really any coal anything that coalesced on any of these the feedback from the planning board was that the reflection of of mixed use one in this area would allow um potentially something cool to come in if this were to um to be evaluated through the process um if something were to um be proposed to evolve over time but it doesn't provide so much intensity that um it really incentivizes a significant change there so I'll ask another question is um is it conceivable that even with this land use

[152:00] change you could keep the same zoning I I think you could okay let's highlight this as an area to that needs more discussion but why don't you finish your presentation so we can get to the public all right um the mixed use two so the um this is proposed in select areas of the neighborhood center core along Broadway and um proposed along that south side of Alpine the northern portion of the city site um on the East block is included um in the mixed use to really to represent this as that Flex space to be further defined as the faciliity master plan work continues use um and that may afford the opportunity for additional consolidation of city services or could be housing or um some other mixed use with ground floor um non-residential uses and housing above and also to note

[153:00] that that um Northern Area would have the wide setback with the for the flood conveyance and the mixed use two proposed on that south side of Alpine to reflect similar building Heights on both sides of Alpine um and as an appropriate place to focus um potential intensity for more housing um to maximize that potential within the area so what does this mean there's been a lot of discussion about the number of um the potential for new housing and so we know we have some certainty about Redevelopment of the site we we know that this is going to happen um the range of units with the um without the Boulder County location there um is up to about 260 units um with the Boulder Boulder County on that lower portion of the center center block that would displace about 90 units so then the upper upper range and that includes that Flex um parcel along Broadway um for up

[154:02] to about 170 units within that wider area we have some broad assumptions and again um as you as you've discussed this does not we don't have control over those properties we we don't mandate Redevelopment of those but if you apply sort of a broad brush dwelling units per acre toward um some of the non-residential areas that could go to mixed use um there could be up to um that 380 units in the area some of which is allowed today um should some of those properties redevelop can you pause there a second yeah let's just pause here because I want to ask a clarifying question and make sure that it's as crystal clear as can be that on the Alpine Balsam property staff is proposing that we look at at 120 to 260 dwelling units is that correct that's correct those what the estimates for related to these land uses um right so so there there is no proposal on the

[155:00] table in this area plan that we look at more than 260 dwelling units um on the Alpine Balsam property that the city owns as proposed with these land uses right okay and then the others that add up to that 640 big scale number those are all private properties that we are not particularly planning specifically they're governed by their current zoning and their current land use and so those additional units that you have there 250 to 380 that's just what the private land owners there could do under current land use and current zoning over time over time so yeah I think we just can't explain that well enough because it's it's a large number right okay question yep are you going to um later on talk about where we are with the county are you going to yep okay I'll leave it till then so we're discussing an area plan and and we keep hearing this is an

[156:00] overtime kind of thing so to give an idea of what overtime means could you discuss like other area plans and how long it's been for overtime to realize the visions expressed in the area plans yeah well as as many of you are aware we you know the subc community plan for North Boulder we adopted about 20 years ago and that's continuing to um be implemented and for properties to come in and redevelop um in in in in align you know in alignment with the vision that was set forth in that plan the transit Village area plan was adopted in 2007 and we've seen um some parts of the fa of the first phase of that plan um taking shape of in in more recent years over the the 10 12 years um since that plan was adopted there's another phase of that that's yet to be implemented and that would um again continue over

[157:01] probably the next decade or or so so it's safe to say that overtime can mean decades I it can and one of the things that you can do in a plan like Jean was mentioning with the transit Village area plan is you can have a Time component of when you're thinking you you want change to occur and that's what we did with that plan we said the the area of change was basically the area west of the railroad tracks that go through that area um and then there was and someing speak into the mic yeah sorry uh east of the east of the railroad tracks there was some initial planning done but the implementation wasn't set to start until the council started it and that hasn't occurred yet and that was set out in the area plan through phases correct okay thank you okay okay um all right we are on to Urban Design so the

[158:02] purpose of the Urban Design plan is the purpose of the Urban Design plan is to guide the maintenance and Improvement of the built environment and the public realm it identifies aspects and features of the spaces between the buildings um how the places are experienced and provides initial guidance for the design um character for future building it describes objectives um for these elements that are really necessary to achieve the high quality built environment and public realm it will guide any future design controls that might include the design guidelines or form based codes as youve as you've mentioned um that would be identified as part of the implementation of the area plan key elements include streetscape and connections improvements identifying in where there would be ground floor um active uses particularly along Broadway um locations for parks and open space notably the new Plaza with the Pavilion renovation and the linear Greenway for flood mitigation along

[159:00] Balsam the Urban Design element also outlines the heights for future buildings the mixed use one and the high density residential 2 areas in the green they really speak to the community feedback that we heard about wanting to see the buildings quite so boxy um or cookie cutter especially um the mixed use to um some of those uses need that little extra height to um adequately accommodate the ground floor non-residential uses the plan has the historic preservation um chapter that describes the eclectic character that it's evolved over time in this area and recognizes that there are a number of buildings that appear to have potential historic and Architectural significance the area plan purpose is not to change any of the city processes or programs for preservation but to highlight that this is an important characteristic of this area the connections plan recommends a number of improvements that make getting around the area safer more pleasant and

[160:01] easier by all modes it includes the new Street connection through the site new future connections that break up um the block between Alpine and North alley improvements pedestrian improvements um Transit stop improvements and a Mobility Plaza or Hub on the site and there's a lot more recommended in the connections plan but in the interest of time I'm going to um keep moving the access and Mobility strategy reflects um the direction that we've discussed at several prior meetings including um it's based on the vehicle trip reduction to meet Transportation master plan and climate commitment goals as well as being based on Citywide parking and behavior data Direction has consistently been o I'm keep going direct um consistently been to to um focus on all modes in a proactive strategy um the El the strategy elements include Transportation demand management programs that encourage making getting around um without a car easier as I

[161:01] mentioned the transit improvements parking reductions and a parking strategy um based on the sump uh shared unbundled managed and paid principles as well as a potential General improvement district to fund the programs and services another key element of the access and Mobility strategy is to maximize the existing parking structure so that we invest in programs that further our adopted climate and ACC access goals and not invest in constructing more parking the urban Services um section includes an evaluation and provision of urban Services provided in this area that is already fully developed it recommends ways to mitigate any potential new impacts but it also identifies opportunities such as adding Al arts and culture in the area so the flood mitigation as described in our last meeting and this is the diagram that um is included in the plan as well where you can really see the um the significant amount of area

[162:00] dedicated um from balam all the way through that include um a sidewalk um and multi-use path Jean Just to be clear here does this mean there are no plan changes in North Boulder Park as a result of this project that is correct thank you so again the the wide Greenway it would be designed designed to carry the storm water when there is water but um would be mo dry most of the time and um requires that significant setback with Landscaping so I just want to do a recap of this of what's recommended for the city site because I know that that is such a primary focus for folks um so on the East block we have the uh renovation of the Medical Pavilion and the the Brenton building with a new public Plaza and then also um outlining the mixed use for the flex space um on the on the Northern portion of that within the

[163:01] center block can ask about the the flex space idea so I guess I'm I'm a little confused about that because we're talking about consolidation of uh City uh offices and services in the Pavilion building and potentially County partnership on the South Side why a flex space rather than just housing with retail on the ground floor like are we thinking about more city office space on the northeast cor it could very well be that I think we just um we wanted to be and we we talked a lot about this in February when we came back with the board as far as just not knowing exactly what those needs would be um whether it would be more um City facilities on the ground level um as as in conjunction with the service center with housing above um but just just to be able the the instead of doing it public the mixed juice allows for it to be any of those typ things I guess yeah and I I know we talked about this before but it's it's kind of come another step or two since then I just I didn't hear anything from

[164:00] Michelle about oh and we might put some additional city offices here in the northeast corner you know when she's talking about the facility master plan yeah right now I think we knew that um again we had been looking at preserving this Flex space and letting our facilities master plan as we pointed out we know we haven't accommodated all of our city needs but we're still evaluating that and so as Gene mentioned this just allows us the opportunity to keep assessing that and not sort of paint ourselves into a corner but well we'll talk about it more later well and just to be clear so Flex space means it could be this or this right it doesn't mean it's going to be flexible once it's built go ahead and just to clarify it doesn't mean that it's necessarily um the county that would do the the the office part it could be the C as well or some other it's not enough space to meet the County's needs okay um I have another question though um the current land use and Zoning at

[165:02] the city site is public correct and um does public have any kind of limits as to the square foot that can be built there I don't believe that there are any F limitations in the public Zone but I can look that up and okay so there's no limits in the in the in the f um in the public zones so in these proposed um land uses which would have their subsequent zoning would there be F limits then or could there there could be yes okay thank you so is it correct to say then that that um one of the things that we're also trying to do here is to um in a sense limit the floor area the square footage that could happen there

[166:01] if the zoning and land use didn't change correct I think that that's that's part of developing the vision for the area okay thank you okay keep going okay for the center BL um we're recommending the high density um residential 2 so three story stacked Flats but but have an allowance um for some um roof forms or pitched roofs in that um northern portion and then we're recommending sort of that either or high density residential three that would be four story apartments stacked flats or could be um the public use if that um is a successful this is where the county might or might not be yep and I'm going to get to the a little bit more with the count County just after these slides okay um and so then on the west block the high density high density H housing one that's in the the form of twostory town homes um and then also we have a couple

[167:01] of um vacant Parcels that are just behind the Brenton building that would be um the land use for mixed use one in conjunction with what's what else is along that um Street a lot of other improvements for Access and Mobility in Greenways so um as we talked about the flood mitigation conveyance Greenway the new Street um at 11th with pedestrian bike um connections um at the um 10th Street area and um through the center of the site the mobility hub for Bike Share and car share and then also utilization of the shared parking in the existing structure so with all of this um what we've proposed is that balance of land uses to achieve the facilities cons facilities consolidation and affordable housing in various forms um we've provided an option for Boulder County relocation should that um should the council and the county decide to move forward um in further assessment of that

[168:02] and significant improvements for public realm and access and Mobility so the approach for Boulder County that we talked about when we were here in June the council said take take a look at more of this we know like the idea of um a big building on the center block with an with a with an additional parking structure so our staff teams and Consultants got together and um did some more assessment about how we could accommodate um the their needs for the 120,000 square feet um and where would be the best way to do that what we found was that this um the southern southern part of the the center block um would be a good location of that it has adjacency with a uh Services across the street with mental health partners and also could um accommodate we our Park existing parking structure could accommodate shared parking for that um and what we developed also then is and those are outlined in your memo um some

[169:00] PR proposed criteria based on the direction and and feedback that we've heard from the council um over time that um outline that net gain for affordable housing um the location there along Alpine um that parking can be addressed with that within that existing structure but also to make sure that um the overall site design provides a really great place still and a high quality design um public realm and the um conjunction of spaces that would um provide that shared Community benefit um and then we would also have to um understand a lot of steps about what does that mean for fair compensation around um all of the improvements and the infrastructure um I I will mention just at the when I finish with the just a few more slides in the presentation our Boulder County staff members are here and they would like um just a couple of minutes to clarify um their process and some um pieces of that and that's going to be just in the moment so um quickly

[170:01] the recommendations from planning board and I want to just actually jump back to the map um here so a majority of the planning board members expressed support for the um recommended land use plan and the Urban Design plan as well as the building height map indicating that the what's proposed in the plan is a good balance of community aspirations and concerns that um have reflected Evolution from the earlier drafts um the comments indicated that the aspirations and concerns reflect um that the plan supports that Urban walkable neighborhood um with Lively ground floor frontages were appropriate and helps support that um concept of the 15minute neighborhood the land use change that was discussed and recommended by the planning board members was a um swapping of the residential uses um on the on the west block and the center block and this

[171:01] is really um to to locate more intense uses next to the North Boulder Park with the rationale that the park provides an especially valuable asset to residents of multif family use use multif family units and especially families um the swapping of that higher density residential use from the from the northern portion center block um would allow a greater number of future residents more direct access to those amenities um provided by the park um board members suggested that um also that the West block might be appropriate for some limited smallscale ground floor retail uses that might be accessed by residents and park users um was discussed as like a small cafe or an ice cream shop um with outdoor seating and they recommended allowing the building height up to four stories on that West block along 9th Street to allow for more units to have the direct

[172:01] access to the park um particularly in the housing types or design that would be appropriate for families um so with so I just wanted to have the map up there while um was talking about that they suggested adding language to the plan that broadened um possibilities for um more of a diversity of housing types focusing Less on the um dwelling units per acre and whoops I went past there we go focusing more on the um dwelling focusing Less on the dwelling units per acre but more on building form excellent public realm and um Quality outdoor spaces for their residents other recommendations um included support for how the plan creates um the more what they described as more Intimacy in the Conn connections Network as well as the new streets and the connections that break up those larger blocks um suggestions included uh

[173:02] continuing the multi-use path along balam Avenue East of Broadway um improvements um on Alpine to increase pedestrian access and also um adding North Street as one of the green streets the majority of the board members um supported the access and Mobility approach describing the importance to stay aligned with the transportation master plan the comprehensive plan the sump principles um for parking um and other City goals the members supported reduced parking requirements um and suggestions to explore including caps on car ownership for residents in in indicating that this would allow for flexibility to adapt as as behavior and travel changes okay um also on that um supported the proactively managing the spillover parking in the neighborhood um a few comments on the um emphasizing housing and parking um

[174:01] criteria um for the Boulder County re relocation so they noted um that should the county use um and um City use utilize all of the shared parking within the structure that may impact the amount of housing that we have um are able to achieve on the rest of the site because of the need to be able to provide housing there so next steps near-term next steps the current schedule is to have um a to take the feedback that we've heard from the planning board and the city council and come back with a um final plan for public hearing on September 24th um and action by the planning board on that on September 24th within um action by the city council on October 1st next steps following um area plan adoption um the ongoing work that Michelle described for Design and Renovation um for the Pavilion and then area plan implementation so um taking

[175:00] that next step to get more specific about implementation and what that means for um regulatory changes within the um the rest of this year in 2020 with um 2021 then potential partnership site specific site planning and Redevelopment um so again these are the questions that we'd like to walk through once we get to that um I'm going to I would like to um can I ask a quick question before we do that um did the um Jean did the the um connections plan get reviewed by the transportation Advisory Board it was shared um okay did they have any comments on it or they were just thumbs up they were thumbs up okay no changes um sure but then we're GNA so Jean you you talked about a recommendation to take a the multi-use path on bosam and continue it east of um Broadway but it's not too far it's like

[176:01] at 14th Street you start getting into traffic circles right so how would that be addressed some of the issues with that exactly are this the space that we have in the right of way um in that area so at least getting over to 13th yeah connects you to the north south connections that way in the Green Street there um Beyond 13th Street you're going to have okay we have the bike Lanes I just don't see how that would work physically okay all right in the interest of time in the interest of time we're gonna go to the county James Butler um the facilities man facility supervisor so I'm going to start with why um Boulder County um did a facilities master plan a couple years ago and we started with as stewards at Boulder County's future we provide the best in public service that is our mission statement and that really kind of guided the principles in this and this is

[177:01] really why we want to be moving to Alpine balam it's one of our top sites um primarily because it is close to other County Services and it is also close to Transit and those are like two of our top priorities for where we are going to re reallocate um the other thing that is really important as a as a why um the county would like to be a partner um with you guys um is that if we are um able to move our facilities off of the Broadway Iris campus then that would um alleviate that area um and allow that area I should say to become affordable housing and um Michelle's with me today um who can also um back me up on this when I say that the Commissioners have um said that they would um make that whole site available for um affordable housing um Jean has put up a slide here which shows um the different kind of County Services that we have um the county services are in

[178:00] that blue kind of purpley bubble down there on the left which is um our health and human services um about 54% of those services are um being provided um for Boulder residents people within the city of Boulder and um the other residents that are coming to that campus are from Louisville Lafayette that data was gathered in 2011 and I'm um actually um researching that more and I came up with a neat graphic that I showed Jean earlier today um which you can see kind of all these blue dots are the kind of addresses of our um clients um and predominantly they're all um in Boulder with another portion coming from lville Lafayette and this kind of Red Dot is showing kind of that epicenter of if it was the best location for people to get to um but back this is kind of like an easy access for car access but it's really that access to Transit um that we're really interested in and getting close to bus routes and so that's going

[179:00] to be something that we look into we have a couple more slides to kind of show you what we um think of as far as a um the County's mission of welcoming inviting space that is easy to access for services this is an image of our um our um St FR hub um which is the the service um that we want to provide on your Alpine and Balsam site um which is at 120,000 ft if we um back to the other bubbles you don't have to go back um there was another bubble which was 30,000 square fet um should your your Flex space be open to negotiate we would love to put our permits there um because we could see a real connection between County permits and city permits um I talked to our folks in our um County um permit front desk and they get three people a day um coming in to look for City Services at their front desk and they have to be put away they get about four phone calls a day um asking you know should I be coming into you or going to the city and so we see a good connection um if we can get permits um because that

[180:00] would put us close to our transport um transportation office and public health environmental um back to um the same frin Hub it's um a One-Stop shop um many of you have actually been in that building um it's a nice facility um and right now our our campus at Broadway and Iris is a campus of of five different buildings and it's not providing this same level of service um that we have for the long Mount residents and so we want to have some more Equity between the Long Mount services that we're providing and um the services that we'd like to have at Boulder City Boulder I think that's wait wait we're going to let you is that your last slide is there one more um there's also the slide of of um Broadway and Iris um this is kind of a preliminary um schematic um options uh I don't want to be presumptuous and say I know how it's going to end up for housing but I wanted to present options for people um there's two um buildings that are um potentially

[181:03] um historic um buildings and that's the old County Hospital and then there's a the 3450 building um and those are kind of in the the left side of the slide and so um what this slide is showing you is that we can provide um between 50 and 420 residential units depending on how many buildings we preserve and if we um preserve the ball fields or if the ball fields are reallocated to another site question and we recognize that the community loves the ball fields and so I didn't want to be presumptuous to say that we would do that question hang on we all have questions um keep going sh oh okay go ahead and so those are the different ranges okay um so it's kind of you know we got to get some Community engagement we got to work with the planning um the city planning staff to see what's appropriate there and and work forward but it would be 100%

[182:01] affordable housing and not a 40% with some developer the whole site could become affordable housing okay I get a thumbs up on that excellent okay um I want you to finish because then we have a lot of questions are you done yes okay so I have Sam Lisa Aaron Mary oh I'm sorry Sam Lisa Mary Aaron Bob go uh so on the bubble slide where you have the um required square footage yes you have Clinica and Mental Health Partners inside that Circle so what what was that about so if you had them in red and they're inside the circle of 120,000 sare ft so did right isn't that they yeah they're identified as partners for the county but they're not in that 120,000 ft and that's exactly when um Jean was talking about why we'd like to be on the south side

[183:00] because mental Partners is right across the street and our um St vain um in Longmont um St uh the mental health partners lease a part of that building and so we have that kind of quick access to their services yeah being on the south side is probably better for the neighborhood too so um then the next question I have is I hear that you're looking at seven sites in your site evaluation up to seven we'd like to get it down to three okay what does that mean exactly so are you looking at seven now or you want to identify seven what's the so we're hiring an outside consultant HDR um they're the same folks that um provided the facilities master plan for us and we're identifying um the sites which are the best for the county um back when we did this originally um we identified six different sites um Alpine and balam was one of them um Broadway and Iris was another um we're also looking at e Arapaho 33rd Street um Sheriff headquarters um and kind of back to this idea of consolidation of

[184:00] services um you know I haven't we haven't really dug into it but I can tell you that there's more bus routes up there at Alpine and Balsam and we're we're closer to the other um County facilities and so from that aspect um it rises to the top but the the thing that drops it down is that we don't own any land and that's why when we did this Broadway and Iris was our top site for redevelopment for County Services and so if that site would become our top site for consolidation of services then unfortunately we wouldn't be able to do affordable housing on that site that's just and so how many square feet can you get if you were to redevelop at um Broadway Irish we hope 120,000 okay all right again it's a complicated site there's flood mitigation um there's two potentially historic buildings there's the ball fields um you know we're not into active Recreation um but we also um

[185:02] we recognize that that's an amenity that the community really loves and so we would have to and we recognize that too so it wouldn't be the probably First Option be an easy way to develop no that would be bad um so then my last question is you've got this HDR um yeah engaged in looking at sites what's the schedule and the timeline for them to come back to you with a a report we're going to do um a quick review and then we'll do a longer review I mean this is really it's really important for us to know if we're engaged in this because then it takes this off the table or it means that it's on the table so we would like to know from you we're kind of doing a a back and forth chicken and egg thing um we um I think about three months for that first review of which which would be our top three sites um and then it would probably take longer like nine months to engage all the appropriate stakeholders

[186:00] in that process thank you Lisa um so how many parking spaces did you say you need we're not sure 120 we're not sure how many parking spaces we'll need we'll have I mean last time you were here you said you needed 400 something like that no I yeah you did no I I believe and I actually um Lynn kind of um talked to me earlier um she wanted to know how many parking spaces we have at Broadway and Iris right now oh and we have 320 um so that math is out there now the the back lot there by the ballfields is not completely utilized um back in 2011 um Fox um Hernandez did a parking analysis for us and said that we we're not at capacity and so um through TDMs and I know the city is also very interested in um providing access to Transportation um bus routes and and bikes and all that to encourage our

[187:00] employees um to take alternate Transportation um modes so um we're going to have to do uh an analysis to see how much parking we need for um the residents that are seeking Services versus is how much we will need for our our employees right but I guess how Jean how many um parking spaces do we have right now in the um parking structure it's like 4 400 yeah yeah so if you need 320 then you basically kind of zeroed our us out I don't know if we need 320 we have 320 and right now all the employees up there drive and and all of the employees in our downtown offices um maybe like 30% of them drive and so it's the culture of that campus to drive and so through TDMs through um methods of trying to encourage people to use alternate Transportation modes um we did

[188:01] a charet um with Jean and um seven different other Architects to say how how what are our real needs and can it work on that site and the conclusion of that was we think we can make it work with one more additional level of parking on that parking structure that you already have but I I'm not going to tell you that we need 400 cuz I don't know I'm not a par okay it's I think when you were here before it was between 320 and 400 something like that so um on your iris and bosom site um previously we had a um development proposal at 3 3300 Iris and people wanted to put a lot of housing units in there as well as has a bunch of coffeee shops and neighborhood amenities would you put any neighborhood amenities on your Broadway and yeah it doesn't look like it with the bubble diagrams there was like a a allocation in the north um sorry

[189:00] Southeast Corner um for some kind of a mixed use commercial space um This was um developed by Coburn Architects um and they said you know you don't really want to have um something that's not facing the streets um if you have a coffee shop um it's it's most likely not going to be utilized as much if it's buried in the site that was South Southwest Corner southwest corner yes thank you okay thank you okay um Mary and then Aaron then Bob so just a clarification in this diagram here that you have are you is this with or without Ballfield so it's kind of hard to see the ball fields they're kind of dashed in on the Eastern side of that um but if you kind of split the whole thing in half everything on the right is where the ball fields are and so that's where the math kind of can be um you can see

[190:02] without the ball fields it's 120 to 420 so where where you're showing um medium 25 to 30 units High 56 to 8 what is it to 80 I can't tell anyway the the the the lower um the southeast parcel there that little dotted area is a ball field yeah looks like better yeah okay there you go okay okay so this okay so this diagram is showing is without ball fields basically is what you're showing see the writing it has a both yeah I'm just trying to get an answer from him that says without ball fields so that's all so this is without ball fields so there's two different options and you can see in the the the verbiage on the left side with all four ball fields you can get between 50 and 240

[191:01] units so that's keeping the ball fields in play on site and then without the ball fields you can get 120 to 420 and so you get significantly more if we're moving the ball Fields okay got it thank you and the acreage on this is I believe it's 17.7 Acres 17.7 acres and you're thinking that you could probably squeeze out 120,000 square feet there we would hope to um again um you guys have talked a lot about zoning and height restrictions right now it's a 35 ft height on there and we do appreciate that the neighbor neighbors to the north would want to preserve their views and so um it would be a challenging um site we can't just put a three story building in there and think it's going to be easy um so we would have to figure out how it would work on that site with preserving the two buildings that we think are um

[192:01] potentially historic buildings uhuh and whether or not we develop the ball fields so um so it's a challenging site it's 17 acres and and it would be challenging to get the 120,000 square fet at the 17 Acres it would be and it's challenging for us to get it at the 8 Acres so the the other thing that um would be challenging for us from a project management standpoint which we learned when we did the St brain Hub in Longmont is that we have the services right now on that site and so to develop that site we'd have to move those site those services and as you heard it's challenging to find 93 Square thare ft of services in offices in in Boulder and we don't want to have um the residents that are seeking our services have to navigate all these different places when they're used to finding it in one one spot okay so it'd be easier for us to develop one site and then reallocate the

[193:00] site and in the development process um would the county go through a similar process as the one that the city is going through we would engage the community would it include an area planning process and um such as what we're doing right now we yes please help hi Michelle cik Deputy of the border of County Commissioners so this site is within the city of Boulder so we would obviously be working with your planning folks to figure out what goes goes on the site we wouldn't do an area plan because it's not our in our within our jurisdiction but we would definitely have a community process that would be dictated by what you all would require for any developer to come forward so um I think that what we have here I just want to be really clear we're just trying to to talk about what the possibilities are this is not a

[194:01] defined plan needs right this is just something to talk about this looks like an opportunity that we should all explore because I think um earlier you said you know area plans are 10 and 20 years old we'd hate to come back 10 years from now and have people say why didn't you even talk about this so that's what we're here doing is talking about it it may work it may not work but we're hopeful that we can at least figure out if there's a possibility we are at a point at this time where the services that are provided on that site those buildings are at the end of their useful life they are in not very good shape so we have to do something so what we'd like to do is figure out is this do we want to dance together here on on the Alpine balsom if not great we will go ahead and figure out what else to do if we do want to then let's figure out what's the next due diligence that needs to be done we may at the end come back and say it doesn't work for a variety of reasons and then we'll have to look at our options it may be this Alpine or maybe um the Broadway site it may be a

[195:00] different site within Boulder but we need to do something fairly quickly because those buildings are not very good shape up there great thank you um Mary are you done I we just I think I'm done okay we have Aaron and Bob and then I'm going to suggest we get to the public he okay uh thanks for that and Michelle so so the and and I think the staff has done a good job of laying out uh parallel possible paths in our area plan where we could work with you or not work with you depending but it sounds like you would from if we decided to adopt it kind of as suggested leaving the opportunity open it would take you about a year to figure out whether or not you would want to go to Alpine balson was that did I hear that correctly well I would say if we knew that that Alpine ballom was a possibility then we could start working on that more quickly I think for a lot of reasons the Alpine ballom site makes sense for us is as um as James said it would allow us to redevelop in a more orderly way etc etc it's better for

[196:01] Transit all those things but that doesn't mean that's the place that we will end up going understood so I'm just trying to get it a timing question cuz if we adopt the area plan more or less as as proposed we'll be done with that in a few weeks and then so so I'm was kind of getting a sense oh now you've gotten that indication we're open to it about how long would it take you to figure out whether or not you would want to do that well I think then there's a lot of due diligence that need to happen and so we would start that process and I think what we've talked about is getting a a staff team together to start that due diligence process I think from the county perspective we would like to move forward with that as quickly as possible to find out through that due diligence is this a go or a Noto um so I don't think it would take a year I mean I okay you know we would have to be doing this in Partnership because we can't do the due diligence on Alpine balam on our own and I would assume if if we want to move forward with this site as an affordable housing site there's going to be due diligence done on this so I think we'd have to come together and figure out what that timeline but I don't think it would take but maybe less than a year

[197:00] maybe six months or nine months something maybe something like that okay thank you mean and I think we would we would commit to to working as quickly as possible great and so the other thing um and then what you're envisioning in terms of if you did take advantage of that opportunity to locate the site at Alpine balam and then did housing here I was hearing 100% affordable would you be looking at this as like a County Housing Authority um thing or I mean because generally takes a fair amount of subsidy to get to 100% affordable housing are you bringing those dollars to the table is kind of what I'm asking so the Commissioners are committed through our regional um affordable housing plan to provide housing to to meet the goals of that plan that's working with all the communities this would be an excellent site for that again we haven't gone down the path to figure out all of those details I don't know that it would be necessarily A A County Housing Authority site or a boulder housing partner site or some combination thereof thistle you know I

[198:02] we don't know that but our commitment is to try to work to make this 100% affable housing be imagining is it a purely public project that with one partner or another would get to I haven't imagined I haven't imagined that far but but an aspiration for 100% affordable any one one way or another Absolut and I just while I've got you here um it's I think it's probably fair to say that it's scary for folks to see buildings on the ball fields um and we've already gotten a couple emails of people panicking a couple just a couple so far on the on the Ballfield site um and can I just clarify I think one more time to say what we tried to do with this diagram was to show you the entire range of options that could be there that would include developing all 17 Acres or it would include different combinations and permutations of that we are in no way saying that for sure the ball fields would go away we are just wanted you as the council as you're considering this to see what the range of options are now the ball fields we we

[199:02] have had as the county have had lots of conversations about the ball fields as James said we don't do active Recreation we do passive Recreation open space so we aren't good at managing ball fields the city does a much better job at managing ball fields so I could Envision some sort of a development here that still had ballfields on and they may become a city amenity because you do that better so just to be clear this does not say the ball fields are going away it's just to show you all the possibilities that could be on that site okay and I appreciate that and just and I'm one we can talk about this but I might Express that uh either that they stay there'd be no net loss of ball fields right that either they stay or we find find an even better you know set of ball field someplace close by you know CU we don't we're not taking away people's ball fields yeah let it be noted okay um Bob and then we're gonna move on so I'm trying to understand what the deal is here so are are you proposing that um are you proposing that we would

[200:02] swap land that this would become our land and that you would take the one2 Acres or whatever it is down Alpine Balsam or would you keep this and just pay us money for the for the land and at Alpine ballon maybe I mean I don't know Bob I I don't know which way it go well I mean because it was important because you're asking us to proove a plan and and Reserve um a chunk of land for you that we could otherwise put 90 housing units in because that's the Delta right Gene is 90 housing units would you lose and and and so I'm trying to understand because I see assuming the ball fields day 50 to 240 um and does that 5050 to 240 does that include preserving the historic buildings or does that assume they go away it it does um Preserve those two potentially historic buildings okay um the the one building on the Southeast Corner um the windows are 24 in wide um so um to to use the historic preservation model of keeping it as is um it it couldn't be reused for housing because you can't get EG ESS through

[201:01] those windows so it would probably be some kind of a um an office Community amenity um you answer my question I just want to know if it was in around so but I'm still trying to understand the upside to us us being the broader community of changing trading 90 units at Alpine Ballam for somewhere between 50 and 240 I mean 240 is bigger than 90 but 50 is pretty much smaller than 90s so I'm just trying to understand why why because this is a lot of brain damage right like why why would we do this so I think to your question of what the economics would be of this that to me is what would come out in the due diligence I don't think we know all the ins and outs of how much this property is worth versus how much the property at Alpine balam is worth how much you know what what the economics to do affordable housing here those things have not been worked out I I can assure you though it is not the County's intent that we would have take property from at Aline balam and not have some sort of a a payment for that property whether that is a swap or whether that's partially a swap and

[202:01] partially cash or whether that's you know this is worth more and so you end up giving us cash I you know I just don't know that those answers and those are those are the things we need to sort of work out great hey um thank you very much for being here this is very helpful to understand the suite of options so we appreciate that um I think we're now going to hear from about 35 people um so if you don't feel like staying um thank you for coming um but this is very helpful to have you here okay thank you oh we have one more question no not for oh yes thank you very much yeah um but I do have um a question for staff regard regarding the County parcel um it it's it's currently public land use and public zoning and it being 17 Acres um there would probably be land use designations involved and rezoning involved and likely would require an

[203:00] area plan or a study a a plan of all of that kind of stuff okay okay that's what I needed to know thank you I'm a little offended well okay can I just I don't know that would it need an area plan I mean you'd have you'd have to go through a land use change process and a resoning but I don't know about an area plan yeah it wouldn't have to but it could fair enough what process you guys you already did a little micro area plan for across the street you know right yeah okay we're going to turn to the public now and um I think we have at least 35 people um signed up so here's the deal um it's been a little we want to make sure to have a productive and um civil conversation we know there's a very um there's a strong diversity of opinions out there so please no laughing no booing no clapping just be kind okay and listen to each

[204:01] other um if people can queue up so if you're on deck if you could St come to the front and be ready to go that would be great um everybody will get two minutes if you're pulling you'll get four and um if you can start with your name and your address or at least what part of Boulder you live in or where you live that would be very helpful great and we gonna start with Randy Smith so thank you I'm Randy Smith um I've lived on 10th Street in Newlands for 50 years um it's been my home anybody here live on Newlands anyone live in Newlands kind for a while the picture that I'm passing around is me kaying at balam in 9th Street behind it you'll see the hospital covered with water the parking lot you told us that the traffic last meting I went to you said would be half of that which at had the hospital years

[205:02] that you projected the hospital did not have permanent homes cars dogs cats children all wanting to use our streets the North Boulder Park 247 bogus number I am unmoved by the formula of 85 spaces required per whatever and justifying your actions with flow charts from National statistics I don't care I live in Newlands and you're doing a disaster there this massive eyesore you have planned cannot ease the mistake that you made in purchasing the hospital property for far too much money money remember me in the kayak it is a lake it is not Prime real estate as was made out to be by North by Boulder Community Hospital it never was the side is a parking lot and it always has been and that's why Boulder Community Hospital did not expand their hospital they moved after

[206:00] careful evaluation if this is being built in your neighborhood since you don't live in Newlands you would be standing right where I'm standing opposing the stupid plan that's what you'd be doing we have been given a great opportunity with bch moving out east as you guys should do too thank you sir can I finish it you finish through one sentence thanks very much I will I've got a muscular disty I'm trying my best um we could plan an extensive Park we could tear down the hospitals we plan to we could have a concert Ampitheater we've been given a huge hunk of land in downtown Boulder don't blow it you guys okay let's reevaluate the vision let's close your eyes and decide what you want to see when you wake up thank you um Deborah Yin yes you're pooling with two people could

[207:02] they raise their hands okay great you have four minutes and hey I guess given how many of you are and the hour we're going to be pretty you can finish your sentence when you get to Red but otherwise we're going to be pretty rigorous and it's only just so that we can get everybody in before it gets too late we ready okay do I point it down over there okay uh these Concepts should inform the area plan and Hospital Redevelopment Boulder just declared a climate emergency climate change effects on Water Resources studies confirm high carbon costs with new construction compared uh higher carbon costs with new construction compared to Adaptive reuse

[208:01] of existing buildings upzoning and Redevelopment most often results in demolition loss of local businesses and services and displacement of people Boulder cannot be considered in isolation from other cities when in 2016 there were 11 million vacant housing units in the country the comp plan update survey found that most citizens want Boulder to remain a small City cost recovery from overpayment for the hospital property should not be at the expense of the surrounding neighborhoods this is one of the Ci's proposals with a density of 49 dwelling units per acre totaling 234 units council members have referred to Holiday while talking about the hospital site demonstrating a disconnect with what staff's showing in this more dense area of holiday density is 19 units per acre 93 units total Option 1 a is 2 and a

[209:00] half times more dense than holiday this is a holiday like residential development density is 19 units per acre 90 units total oops it's going forward okay sorry this is okay can I go to slide seven um that slide seven okay I'm sorry slide six a massing study looking down balam of the city's proposal slide seven streets holiday slide eight a massing study looking down Balsam of a holiday like development with existing Hospital ghosted slide nine here's a scenario I present to council to consider it keeps the multi-story hospital and expands it and the pilion with additions the residential area is based on holiday

[210:00] with the exception along Alpine where 3 to four story apartment buildings are shown density is 20 dwelling units per acre totaling 144 slide 10 slide 11 the community focused area plan sent to you by Leonard May is an alternative that addresses the shortfalls of the city's plan the focus here is to protect the characteristics valued by neighbors land used prototypes are formed informed by these characteristics at the hospital site two-story tow houses face Balsam and Ninth transition to the neighborhood a land use prototype protects historic properties while allowing owners to transfer development rights the height limit remains at 35 ft throughout except for two areas where development rights may be transferred transferred to these locations do not obstruct views slide 12 I urge Council to postpone a decision to a date far enough in the future to sufficiently inform the public with information that clearly conveys what

[211:00] the public will experience with the city's proposal truly collaborate with citizens rather than repeat the current practice of tightly controlled citizen interactions return to the public with a new proposal that is the result of collaboration and is consistent with citizen preferences as established in the comp plan update survey and reconsider demolition of the multi-story existing Hospital building thank you for your time consideration and hard work um Deborah we have a question Bob has one too go ahead l so Deborah can you send us that PowerPoint and yes I think you and then um oh we okay could we get that um so um on the hospital do you if you kept the existing hospital or at least most of it the multistory part of it what do you envision in there do you envision housing do you envision offices what would that be well I think that depends

[212:01] on what the city's needs are um it could either be offices I looked at it as offices um but it could also be Apartments then thank you and then in your scenario um in the materials you had sent us so I had studied those I think um on the south side where you have the multi-unit flats or the apartments you had made an assumption of 1,000 square fet per unit is that correct that's correct and then on the North side where you have um town houses and stuff you had proposed something like 2,000 square fet uh 1,800 square 1,00 and how much flexibility would there be in in that square footage so you have some of them at 700 some at 900 changes some at 15 some 2,000 well for the apartments I just I modeled it on what I could figure out you know with

[213:02] the city's mapping what um the square average square footage of holiday apartment um so that was my starting point and that's a gross square footage so it's 1,000 ft per unit but it's gross so right once you deduct stairs or um you know any kind of utility spaces then the unit itself would be less it's really helpful thank you and then the town houses um I wanted to mention they could be smaller they could be bigger they could be two apartments it could be one single unit and I think in your um in the units or in the plan you showed you had some Carriage Houses I think um on the right western side and so those could be not only garages but those could be granny flats or they would be garages with Granny Flats what I was thinking they would be two car garages that are shared by the tow houses and

[214:00] then there would be an Adu on top and I don't know how that would you know work in terms of who owns the Adu or thank you details B thanks deor I just want to make sure I'm doing a side-by side comparison So you you're targeting 144 units which is kind of right in the middle of the city's range of 120 to 170 so I that part I get would um would there be um space then for also city offices or county offices neither both uh well I I was showing the um could we go back the Pavilion building um so that would still be city offices yeah the Pavilion building and the hospital building remain and they could be offices and then I showed in blue are the additions so the yellow roofed buildings are the existing buildings got it okay and the blue are additions blue additions and um we obviously know what the Pavilion building is do you have any idea what the um yellow Hospital building is I mean if you if in of square footage I don't know okay I didn't figure that you

[215:00] happen to know um Michelle not that specific area Okay um we could look it up but okay okay thanks Mary so Deborah you looked um in in your layout on the on the south side and the the mid and Western blocks what did you design those massings based on the city's proposed um the dra draft area PL proposed land uses uh I did not try to make them conform to a city um land use prototype however uh you could apply some of those land use prototypes to you know um what I've shown though I I'm not sure that it conforms to the city's latest iteration okay thanks

[216:01] true okay next up is Gary [Music] earling Gary erling I I took some notes that sitting here listening to this council meeting I'm going to change and just kind of go ad hoc there seems to be at least coming from the city council that we have a set of crises we have climate we have Vision zero we have open space Transportation crime drug and all these things seem to be crises and no one in the city seems to think the council represents their point of view nobody thinks that the city actually listens when they have open houses why is that why is it that other

[217:00] cities don't seem to have that problem almost everything I can think of in Boulder has changed over the 20 some years I lived here this time I lived here another time for another set of 20 years oh there's a very different place there isn't the warmth the feeling of community can I tell you why I think it is it's because we aren't represented by you we don't have a representative form of government look at the government that the city of Longmont and for Collins have they have um councilmen elected by district and some at large the mayor is elected by the people not by the council there's nobody here that has voted for any of the comprehensive plans it's when you say it's our comprehensive plan it's

[218:02] your comprehensive plan it is not necessarily mean that anybody here really agrees with it so I'm just saying we need we're going to solve these crises we need to work together than you the first thing we need to change mrl thank you we have other people to get to thank you very much you said I could finish a sentence so if want people to come together and come to a good solution why don't you take the lead from other cities like Fort Collins and actually come up with representative form of government mon thank you Gary Barbara and your pooling with two people can they raise their hand one two great you get four minutes I'm from Central Boulder and the Aline balom plan would allow up to 640 multi-person residents in this area I

[219:02] believe we need more research and more Transportation infrastructure before adding this kind of density I live in the area and I know from long experience that it's already underserved by both roads bikeways sidewalks and parking allowing this density level before adequate transportation infrastructures in place is to me like putting the cart before the horse and this could have irreversible consequences for the livability of our city the traffic study concluded the level of service for adjacent intersections will mostly remain the same with this plan area plan however I believe that the area plan is based on some faulty assumptions please consider these points points number one the plan assumes new residents will need only8 parking spaces per multi-person residence but how will residents get to stores that provide Necessities such as king supers and Home Depot on 30th Street I have ridden the bus to work many many times in Boulder even so I always drive to these

[220:01] stores on on 30th Street and 28th Street um it would take uh probably quadruple my travel time to get there on a bus um uh and so I choose to drive and I love downtown and I do walk downtown all the time but is for the non- necessities of life such as restaurants and art galleries I believe that many of the new um residents in this in this plan would use their cars just like I do to get to 28th and 30th however there are only three roads that connect Broadway with 30th Iris Balsam and arapo two out of these three roads have only one lane in each Direction can they handle the errands of 640 households wouldn't it be better with those new households and city offices as we've heard are potentially going to be uh located as well as County offices closer to where those major four and six Lane roads exist such as 28th 30th 47th

[221:01] 55th and pearl Parkway add to that the needs of families oops I better look at my light what about parents of school AG children buses currently pass kids by while they're waiting at bus stops to go to school because the buses are full kids tell their parents they don't feel safe to walk to or Bike to School even a teacher on a bike was hit by a car this week at Boulder High the neighborhood school has a waiting list parents choose cools to fit their children that may not be their neighborhood school so 640 new households will encounter the same need to drive their kids to school to to sports and to other out of school activities I think all parents know what this is like um number four increased traffic on Broadway will push traffic onto residential streets such as ninth ninth ninth Street really can't safely carry heavy traffic volumes due to its Hills and

[222:00] curves five does the city and county have funding in place to support intersection improvements more frequent bus service protected bike lane sidewalks parking and school school expansions in order to maintain the current multimodal mobility and safety are there funds to build additional Lanes to handle the kind of traffic and um hundreds of new trips that plan will generate I believe that the current Transportation Transportation infrastructure isn't ready for a plan of this density I endorse The Proposal from think Boulder for moderate density with an emphasis on permanently affordable housing and a maximum 35t height Lev limit this fits the area and it's supported by more than a thousand people who have signed our petition that's only been out about a week and distributed by a small community group uh who organized the petition but there's a lot of support for it out there thank you thank you Barbara

[223:00] Emily and Emily you're pulling with two people can they raise their hands oh you only need two of them okay good evening Council thank you Emily Reynolds or Old North Boulder I support the development points outlined in think Boulder's petition to the city and come to you with a plea for moderation and more time for a decision on Alpine Balsam to quote the think Boulder petition we oppose land use changes that significantly increase housing density and building Heights surrounding the hospital without proper Community engagement and demonstration that our city can handle the extra population safely and without compromised and stressed levels of services extreme ideas about about density are being promoted by city planners City staff the planning board and some council members but high density that exceeds our 35-

[224:01] foot limits is rejected universally by the over 1,000 people who signed think Boulders survey within a wink these people find this to be an extremely important quality of life issue at minimum it warrants informing the people of the neighborhoods across the city who don't want this kind of rampant unconsidered uninformed development there's been minimal poorly planned Community engagement from the start and it feels like the city is trying to jam this huge project through before people realize what is in intended for this area I'm making the point that the community has not been properly informed and that has has not had sufficient time for public consideration the city's attempts have clearly been insufficient as people in the neighborhood are still largely unaware of the city's plans for uh Absol for Alpine Balsam and have absolutely no idea of the new area plan

[225:02] proposals uh hosting meetings in June and July popular vacation months prct uh projected uh a low participation rate only 336 people you also received a memo um from planning department that uh had another 11 responses so this is uh about three 1,000 of 1% of the population of Boulder I'd like to say that's not representative of even the neighborhoods surrounding this area so the people who took your survey found it pretty opaque and difficult to understand um think Boulder in contrast has managed over a thousand signatures saying no way and there was no range of reactions everybody universally said that density level is just wretched

[226:01] please don't do that to reiterate the city's Outreach to the people of Boulder was insufficient too hasty and poorly executed this is unacceptable with such unbelievably large taxpayer funds and a well-functioning already vibrant neighborhood at risk over a thousand people join me in stating emphatically that we support moderate development and no upzoning around the site until we actually have a genuine and more considered public awareness campaign to be conducted by the city rather than just mere lip service thank you thank you Emily um jge and you're pulling everybody's pulling tonight you're pulling with two people can they raise their hands one two okay um thank you um I I live on uh 7eventh Street uh my family uh extended

[227:00] family also lives here I've have 19 family members in Boulder currently um I wanted to point out something that was glossed over by Council uh as it relates to planning board's recommendation planning board at the end of the planning meeting um a few weeks ago recommended flipping and actually adding density to this plan and putting four stories on the park with retail spaces below there has been zero Community Fe feedback or nearly zero that uh supports that at all that was completely out of hand and out of turn and didn't represent hardly anything from anyone at the community at large lone our neighborhood number two existing conditions I'm going to pass out a pass out a height map that the city staff had put together relative to um the building Heights that currently exist in this area what you'll notice is there are ranges of 25 to 35 ft 35 to

[228:00] 45t 45 to 55 ft and over 55 ft this is the problem with the city as developer as a developer I could see why they put this together the images on this site are are pointing to the um the buildings that are identified as those Heights you'll see on the left hand corner of the site a building that's identified as 25 to 35 ft that appears one story from the street you'll see a 1970s parking build uh uh apartment building on Broadway um up at the top left that says it's 45 to 55 ft in fact City staff claimed that there were four-story buildings surrounding this area in some of this area as far as I'm aware of there's only one single four-story apartment building in the entire radius of this site and that building was built in the 70s with or 80s or whenever it was built with relatively low ceiling Heights and it shows on this plan as 35 to uh to 45 ft

[229:04] the next page behind here shows what the city did as demonstrated pictures from the site it has four pictures all emphasizing the height of the buildings it doesn't show 2third of the site which show clear views to the mountains and are vacant um again this is the problem with the city as a developer is is a biased point of view to try to get a certain point of view put across to the community um this was appendix a of the vision plan if anyone wants to look it up finally um parking ratios parking ratios right now in this plan are projected at 08 per unit current multif family utilization in Boulder for off street parking for multif family as a whole is 096 Boulder Junction was built at one space per unit and currently has a parking utilization of onsite of 0.9 a full .1% or 10% higher than what is

[230:01] planned here the essentially with no proof of concept with what the point8 is representing and so I ask that we have a proof of concept that the point8 would actually work here and not overcrowd our streets furthermore it's being glossed over and in in and in the staff's uh projections today they showed that adding one level of parking garage would satisy satisfy the boulder County's needs we just heard from Boulder County that said they didn't know how much parking they needed and certainly one level is not going to provide a few hundred spaces so I'd ask you to look at the heights the par paring in detail and the feedback from the community rather than a few people on the planning board who have a bias towards density thank you thank you um Francesca you're pooling with two people can they raise their hands one where's your other oh gotcha Jennifer all right you have four minutes

[231:01] thank you hi um thank you so much for letting me speak tonight my name is Franchesca Silva and I live on 10th Street near Al the Alpine balam site I'm here not just for my neighborhood but for our group thank Boulder but also for all of my fellow Boulder citizens who are worried about high density building coming to their areas like many cities across the country Boulder might benefit from some amount of additional housing both permanently affordable and market rate however the desire for more housing does not mean that we should break our existing height limits and Zoning restrictions that were created to protect the unique character of Boulder you are considering adding four and possibly five story high density housing in places such as the Alpine Balsam site and in the surrounding area but having any four or five-story buildings other than the Medical Pavilion will require a sea change in the land use and will require changing

[232:02] height limits from 35 ft to 45 or even 55 ft these changes would enormously affect the feel and character of our neighborhoods not to mention affecting the view corridors for pedestrians bicyclists and residents alike to be clear I'm not objecting to city offices in the Medical Pavilion I'm just referring to new buildings that will go on the site and in the area words like housing crisis have been bandied about as if we are Los Angeles County or the San Francisco Bay area we have a special City we don't have to jump on the bandwagon of high density housing and this is important have you looked at the negative effects of increased population density is there data to show that adding more density will unequivocally improve people's lives if so is there a limit to this a point at which density negatively impacts the quality of life

[233:01] for people living in Boulder a quick online search led me to a study uh excuse me by the University of Illinois Medical Center that studied populations in the Netherlands and found a correlation between high density living and increased pathologies the Netherlands was a good test subject because there was little poverty and Health Care is accessible for everyone I respectfully ask that you study this subject before you decide to make major changes to Boulder's existing height restrictions and land use perhaps the solution would be to add add a moderate amount of two and three story housing at the Alpine Balsam site and wait and see how the neighborhood operates in terms of safety and population density at that point a more clear picture of an appropriate area plan can arise for example adding a holiday style complex with permanently affordable housing to the Alpine Balsam

[234:00] site would work well in the neighborhood without negatively impacting the safety and beauty of the of the area this project will cost well over $100 million and we have no test subject to compare it to please consider a more measured slow growth approach that will add housing to Boulder and still fit with the corresponding neighborhoods we as a city should take the time to do this right please don't destroy the very qualities that made us love Boulder in the first place thank you Frances franchis yeah can you send us the University of Illinois study that would be good to read sure thank you thank you Nancy and if Josh Goldstein can be ready that would be great my name is Nancy Sanders and I've

[235:02] lived in Boulder on 4th Street for the past 22 years I thought the purchase of the hospital site by the city was for the purpose Purchase of the site was for the purpose of consolidating C city government buildings plus affordable and some market rate housing I was shocked to see the Alpine Balsam area draft plan only last week with all of the far-reaching plans covering a much larger area than the former Hospital site potential zoning changes allowing four to five story multi- unit dwellings with insufficient parking for each and the possibility of up to 640 units in the area while I know the first order of business is the consolidation of city offices it's not hard to imagine that this plan is setting the stage for highly dense market rate housing I feel that this process lacks the transparency on the part of the city that a change of this type deserves and it makes me suspicious that there are things going on behind the scenes that will benefit real estate

[236:00] developers and others but not necessarily the citizens of Boulder I urge the city to delay adoption of the Alpine ball plan to seek more public input with the character of the neighborhood in mind and to be transparent about its findings I see no reason to modify the height restrictions currently in place in order to build more units and jam as many people as possible in this area with the shortage of parking proposed there will be a negative impact on the surrounding streets for Resident parking the traffic in this small area will of course become ridiculous a large part of this plan contemplates everyone starting to use bicycles and bus to get around I think that's a worthy goal but it will take some time to change the lifestyles of an entire town and more Transportation options need to be available first like more frequent and accessible buses bike Lanes reconstruction of streets and more all of which will cost lots of money and take time I'm strongly opposed to any

[237:00] variance on the current Building height restriction and the density proposed is that my time up okay thank you very much for your time thank you Josh and then if Judy nog can be ready hi thanks everyone appreciate uh the time um first point is just I support the think Boulder uh proposal I think the density the high density proposal that's been shown to us to me looks like we're trying to turn the neighborhood into Brooklyn Heights um Brooklyn Heights delightful place and for people who want to live there they should move there um I moved to Boulder to live in a different kind of place and I feel like for people who really want density Denver's right down the road you've got it there it's well set up for it what you're going to create with that plan is a big parking lot and we're going to start hearing horns like we do in New York City we're going to have stress levels people are going to be late for their meetings and to go places and this polanish view that these new

[238:00] people who move in are going to be super special and they're going to ride their bikes and skateboards everywhere and they're never going to have a car is really a think just not reality so these people are going to have cars in probably the same proportions that existing residents the area have cars I live on Seventh Street I live right in the neighborhood my family has three cars you know people need cars in this neighborhood and I just don't think this accomplishes anything that creates a better lifestyle for those of us who live in Boulder just think it's all going to be more crowded and just more stressful and negative so I don't know the the city I could see they want this clearly this is great for the people who work for the city for some reason but I think you're hearing from the residents in the community that we just don't want this and if you vote for it I think we're going to encourage people to vote you out of office thank you thank you um Judy and then

[239:01] Fran hi Judy nog North Boulder um these comments are solely my own um recently I've been researching public engagement and who knew that it's a blossoming field in Academia so I found out that City governments and universities purport to provide public engagement these days it's a hot thing to do their efforts look great on paper some like a project in Boston recently U was very successful many efforts however fail two looming factors contribute the agenda is controlled by The Entity and the public is solicited only for pre a preset range of options therefore the outcome already feels baked in how do you know if engagement works it's pretty obvious consider the efforts for subc Community planning and manufactured housing in Boulder both those efforts really undertook extensive Outreach and

[240:01] both problems both programs are proceeding without resistance consider however Alpine ball the structure was not conducive to real engagement the public feels like they've been handled the red flags the people most impacted have raised valid unaddressed concerns about parking traffic views and density a rocket scientist really a rocket scientist has analyzed SC who's analyzed scientific data for decades spent hours on the traffic study and found fault Architects whom you've heard Deb today came up with a plan that would provide more afford ability with less density the parking report was tucked in at the end of a long traffic study a year after it was conducted I see I'm running out of time so I'm jumping to the end who needs this turmoil isn't there a better way for everybody please redirect staff to take a step back to look at other options options that gather public input as a first step

[241:00] options that provide more affordable housing which I really care about with much less density which I also care about thank you thank you Judy fras and then Kathleen Hancock if you can be ready hello well I guess I'm going to uh present the opposing view here this evening I am very pleased with what I have seen in these plans that you've been considering and I understand there's a lot of trade-offs to be made I just want to ask folks did you not remember there was a hospital here that generated a whole lot of traffic there is how how tall is this current uh building that is there that actually is I believe at least four stories tall um and we've had a lot of mass and we've had hospitals generated tons it has not and it's I've been living there for years it has not been a great walking pedestrian area it's quite frankly very boring in the hot sun when you go by all this parking areas we're talking about transforming this into an

[242:02] incredibly um exciting place where I think it makes total sense for the city office es you especially if you really aggressively pursue Transportation demand management measures but we need housing in the side in this town it is a crisis and I feel like it's unjust to constantly say to people who need housing and it the only realistic way to get it is through density because of the high land cost let's be honest with ourselves and we need this kind of diversity we have very little residential land that is zoned for this kind of thing this is a gem of a site for Transit oriented um corridors and development and for these people we have to make bold steps to meet our climate crisis plan to transition out of cars we can do all kinds of stuff like car sharing for people who do want to go to Home Depot or wherever across town but this site offers people the ability to

[243:01] live a car light existence and to do all kinds of innovative things and that's what we have to look for for the future or we're just kidding ourselves we can make all these bold proclamations about climate but we know building energy is far reduced with shared walls and density anyway I won't go on but please go with this site thank you thank you Fran WS Kathleen and you're pooling with two people one two okay and after Kathleen we have Sonia Sonia okay all right hi everybody my name is Kathleen Hancock since uh November I've been working with neighbors to try to shape the Alpine Balsam site as I think all of you are aware our group think Boulder advocates for a moderate plan that balances the interests of the immediate neighbors with the city's

[244:01] wider goals a few months ago we created a survey designed to gauge what our Newland neighbors wanted for the site overwhelming they wanted 50 units we presented these findings to you and many others unfortunately at the last city council meeting Al but mirabi voted to remove the lowest Den density option from further consideration we listen to your feedback especially your calls to balance neighborhood character and desires with City demands for more permanently affordable housing and we developed a moderate proposal to make sure we had support for the proposal we created a petition the what you you're looking at here are all the signatures from that petition as of an hour ago and I last checked we have 1,25 signatures um also just go ahead since you have it in front of you if you look at the second page it shows where those residents live and uh we also followed your instructions to go beyond the neighborhood so this is something like um oh now I forgot my number

[245:03] 36% are from thank you 36 are from Newlands and the rest are from all over the city a lot of time went into collecting this data for you and I hope you will appreciate it okay so um what I want to do now is um this um I'm going to show the petition so that we all can be reminded of exactly what it said so the first page really just lays out this importance of this uh um project next slide please secondly we put down what we oppose and uh these things have all at one time or another been part of the proposals um we are happy to see that for example the five-story buildings have been taken off and um some of the other ones have also been scaled back a bit okay next so what did we support permanently fixing building Heights at 35 feet maximum no deals for so-called Community benefits the um things in Brackets are ones that I've added um

[246:01] subsidize housing for moderate and lowincome families including three-story flat apartment buildings and twostory Triplex t houses for sale this would be um what I'm calling here or actually I got this from the code medium density resident housing and HDR high density resident housing one next please 0.95 parking spaces per unit as is being used in Boulder Junction and inducements to enlit car ownership this is really critical that we have this aspect as well a parking plan that goes 10 blocks out and that residents do not have to pay for next please traffic others will be speaking to traffic let me just say I hope you will put some money and thought into creating safe Lo lanes for bikes I lived in Berlin Germany for a year all their lanes are up high and very safe you may be aware outside of a boulder High somebody uh hit a woman on a bike just

[247:00] uh two days ago next we all agree there should be world class design so who reports this plan uh as I mentioned we have 1,25 signatures 36% are from Newland 64% across the country across not the country the city actually we did have somebody sign from Kansas at one point um okay the last slide please this is actually I'm sorry one more this last one is mine this is not on the petition um I say it is time to move forward I think actually the city has done a lot on the site plan itself the area plan has been been problematic and we've been scrambling to catch up with what is going on um in the end I just want to say I ask you to support the moderate plan for the site and having listened to what we just heard about the area plan you can change those codes differently to ramp down that density in the area and that's what we want to see then we can support the area plan thank

[248:01] you that's a question thank you we have a question for you hey over here yeah hey thank you uh for that and and I appre appreciate the thoughtful engagement that you and your group have been um engaged in so just one question I I think I understood your proposal generally but the um the uh height cap of the 35 ft yeah are you talking about the entire site that you would look for that including where they're currently 60 foot tall uh well if you're talking about the Pavilion where like the hospital Tower s and no so existing structures are fine but any new uh buildings okay but I'm unfortunately we'll talk about it later we're probably going to have to tear down the hospital building um we already decided to so the Pavilion okay so the Pavilion would stay MH and then beyond that any of the buildings would be capped at the three stories okay thank you for explaining yeah thank you tearing down to the two stories quick additional followup we're

[249:00] talking about putting a additional story on the Pavilion building is that a problem for your group we have not thoroughly discussed that one it's pretty far away from where I would say so okay I would say we would probably not favor that and in fact the the county move we would also not favor because that's a four-story building thank you thank you Sonia right Sonia Sonia Sonia and two people out there are pooling there they are okay you have four minutes Katie yeah Katie Sir great hi I recently B back to Boulder after being being away for 4 years I moved from a city of 300,000 people and now find it alarming how challenging it is to Traverse a city of 107,000 in four years it is astonish astounding how congested and dangerous the roads are I am saddened that the city has built up Boulder without sufficient infrastructure when I saw the Alpine bostom area plan presented by the

[250:00] city I was a gassed at their proposal it is a far out dream to think that ultra high density housing will work there without further planning to handle the increased human traffic we need to be realistic and do proper planning and deal with the reality Boulder is overbuilding and does not address the rising traffic congestion and safety risks that come with massive traffic you can see in Europe how much planning goes into making these cities for example in Germany and the Netherlands it is safe for bikes coupled with an incredibly efficient Bus and Train system it is easy without a car this is far from true in Boulder cars and bikes and pedestrians in Boulder are all meshed together on most roads I've witnessed five accidents in two weeks when I recall it was a rare to see them in Boulder four years ago yesterday in a rapo um by the high school a street with no bike Lanes by the way I saw an accident involving a car and a bike the windshield was pushed in where we lived in Europe it was safe to ride your bike as the roads were wide enough and had

[251:00] bike Lanes separate from car traffic buses traversed the entire city every 15 minutes and there were frequent trains it was convenient to get to the next city by train or downtown by bike or bus we are supposed to be a green City that cares about the environment but this is not supported by our practices and our planning why are we not talking about the elevated train from Longmont to Boulder Superior Westminster and Denver we have 50,000 commuters each day coming into Boulder why require them to drive there is no way we can give them all housing and Boulder we ask that the city create a plan that is safe for bikes and pedestrians and helps those living outside the immediate area area get to work in environment environmentally excuse me friendly way 5 years ago Santa Monica built an elevated train from the beach downtown why is Boulder not pushing for that I'm saddened actually lastly when I saw the recent area plan I stood in front of the ideal market and the adjacent Community shopping center and center and talked to our community 90% of those I spoke to

[252:01] had no idea about the proposed plan to rezone these areas to mixed use allowing housing to be built on these sites people had not heard about the community shopping centers areas and the talk about resoning them for multi-use high density residential I then walked the streets east of there and the same thing people are not aware and they don't want it so to reiterate 90% did not even know of this plan they were shocked and upset to hear about it 1% said great idea and the remaining 9% literally said it was a bad idea and quote the city would never do that to this area meaning tear it down and put three-story housing there in summary we are advocating you the city council members to use your wisdom to support a moderate plan like the one think Boulder is proposing there needs to be systematic community outreach to retrieve feedback and to build awareness as so many people do not know what is truly being proposed at the hospital site and the surrounding areas nor do they know or understand the rezoning plans we please ask that you wait any

[253:02] further upzoning until after the site is developed meanwhile please use your power and Leadership to push for a light rail system that is truly an environmentally friendly sound way to deal with the 50,000 commuters and focus on state-of-the-art bike lanes that could help you reach your goals of building a model American city that Embraces some of Europe's Pro cycling Movement we need you to keep our residents safe and build an infrastructure that addresses safety and fluid traffic flow thank you very much thank you Philip Nicholson and then if David addinon we be ready yep my name is Philip Nicholson thank you for making this uh time available I live on 8th Street right just above uh North Boulder Park and all the the questions I prepared are have been dealt with with other people and I'm struck by being in the meeting I'd like to share with you my reaction to being in the meeting because I I

[254:00] actually think you have a horrible task and the reason I think that is that a lot of the information that was presented here which is is not available in any kind of public forum that I know of but but it it is looked to me like uh it was more or less unintelligible and it it wasn't it was the the the maps the one map that um the lady produced that had where she said here's what we're going to do actually made some sense but the rest of the the maps with their strange colors and things like that and seemed to me to be unintelligible particularly where they started to show the what would happen at the um at that block area which I walk across all the time and it's just not a very big space and there's the plan to put all these high density things and I was watching to see where the paths through

[255:00] through there were and I just seems to me that that the uh there needs to be a more careful illustration of of what it is that uh uh that is being proposed I agree with all of the principles that have been said by the public people objecting but I do think you deserve better information in order to make your decision thank you David and after David we have Jerry shapin can I can I that's my mom but don't have enough time 15 North Street I'm also the executive director of Goose Creek Community Land Trust I want to tell my nice friend George um that I am

[256:01] planning to do a big ice cream business at on on Broadway though so I just I just want to we are very excited um this beautiful professional group that we've been working with for four and a half years to ask you to please consider a very high Community benefit uh area plan we want the ability for developers to take very seriously this beautiful Vision plan that the staff and all of us came up with and about a new model a new model to do um fitable affordable and sustainable living and and takes our values our Boulder Valley comprehensive plan values that have been dear to us for many many years very seriously about sustainability about diversity and about compact form we have a serious housing crisis in this town and there are real people who are very burdened by the situation of having to drive in we have so much

[257:00] traffic because we pushed the middle class out a few elements of a cool plan that would be we hope would be for coming from developers would include yes some more housing we've studied the site we think we can do everything within three to five stories no um compromise on views we also think there's a little room for a um Alliance Center like permanently affordable uh office space the key thing that's not being appreciated right now is with a Transportation uh a transformative Transportation plan that moves to share Transportation this density can be a delight the key thing that I want to emphasize is when we um think about very low levels of housing it's super unaffordable I'll send you this how can we possibly have these very high land costs per unit um we can do it in a beautiful townhouse way and last I just want to say there's a lot of of Market support for this so now we're going to show how such a plan could be beautiful you want meet him thank

[258:02] you one of the shortcomings of the can you just introduce yourself I'm sorry I'm Jerry shapin I live at 644 Dewey Avenue I live two blocks away from Alpine bosom and I walk through that area every day all the time and I know it quite well so the message that I'm trying to uh really promote here let's see how do I move this forward the one in the middle or the right this one okay is to really pay attention to the public realm this the public realm is where people have a good time it's where people have experiences where people meet each other the better we do with the public realm the more we know each other the more good times we have and the better Memories We have it's really really important when we talk about housing transportation land use and Zoning that we also talk about the interconnectivity of public plazas linear parks and also

[259:02] ways to hold water that are multi-purpose and I and for sure the city has done great work so far to really accomplish some of those ideas so some of these drawings show some of the possibilities and some of the happy U circumstances like a super bus stop on Broadway that can connect directly to noo park right through the site and when it goes through the site it could end with a beautiful Civic Plaza that has a spray pool has an area to enjoy an outdoor uh coffee even looking across street at other people having coffee and and wonderful experiences can be here and what I like about this is its public face the other possibility on an interior Plaza next to Mobility options where it is like a winter it is there's some cars that are guests but mostly people are walking cycling enjoying playground areas along a linear Park possibly at 10th Avenue one of the most interesting things to me is how the city

[260:01] has denied the opportunity to hold water in noo Park noo Park the water is high you can dig it out you can restore it to a flood plane condition a repairing condition you could also create amazing places for kids there and it can connect to a one of Street people type of place right across the street thank you so much iceam with ice cream thank you you're welcome um Matt fer and then Ryan Hill if you can be ready okay um hello my name is Matt frer I'm a resident of Boulder's Whittier neighborhood about a five 10 minute walk from Alpine balam I also work on clean Transportation policy for a local nonprofit called sweep and I recently co-authored a report called growing Greener which outlines the environmental benefits of compact development I found the staff's area plan to be completely

[261:00] reasonable as a researcher and Advocate I believe that all communities in Colorado need to fully Embrace smart growth land use policies in order to achieve our ambitious transportation and climate goals we cannot solve the climate crisis without more efficient land use Boulder is a leader on climate policy but Boulder's lack of housing directly contributes to Regional sprawl and pollution three and five jobs in Boulder are held by people who do not live here and 80% of those non-resident employees drive to work alone each day which is exacerbating Regional congestion and air quality issues I would argue that all emission caused by the city's actions matter not just those within City Limits the growing green analysis found that of just onethird of Boulder's non-resident employees moved into the City and drove as much as current residents did there' be about 6,400 fewer single occupancy vehicles on Boulders roads every day compact development delivers numerous environmental benefits including the protection of undeveloped lands from

[262:00] sprawl Colorado is losing about 250,000 Acres of rural land each year to new develop elent this is not just a qu question of whether we should grow but how we should grow we need to build housing where it makes sense and existing 15minute and walkable neighborhoods according to walkscore.com the Alpine ball Alpine bosom neighborhood has a walk score of 88 out of 100 which is 30 points higher than the Citywide average of 58 I'm fortunate fortunate enough to live in this area and I do not own a car I could not manage this if I live in many other areas of Boulder for these reasons and and many others um Alpine Balsam is a perfect opportunity to enhance an existing walkable neighborhood thank you I have a question for you yeah so I actually I have two questions for you I live in the Whittier neighborhood as well so I appreciate the walkability and so on of that um I was curious why your organizations chose Boulder to look at so we're 7,000 people we have probably

[263:03] the best affordable housing program in the state maybe outside of Aspen I looked down the road to Denver Denver has the same population density we do but seven times the population so why was it that your organizations chose to focus on Boulder rather than Denver when you would have had seven times the impact and there's a much deeper um need for an affordable housing program so if you wouldn't mind speaking to that yeah a question so this growing green report was actually the second the first one was done in Austin Texas second one was in Boulder we are planning to do others I'd love to do one in the Denver metro area like I said this applies to every city across the country land use is a really important climate strategy I think we see Boulder as an opportunity because it's already a walkable community and so adding strategic density in certain neighborhood centers along Transit corridors could really reduce pollution so so so address the Denver component please because Denver

[264:00] has about the same density but not nearly the same affordability and so could you explain why not Denver why didn't you start with Denver since it would have had a much higher impact and would have been probably about as easy to do yeah I'd love to do Denver next yeah next and I've got one more question Lisa um there was a report by one of the reporters here tonight um that quoted didn't have a quote so I can't quote it but paraphrased an answer that somebody gave to the question did the timing of the reports release have anything to do with the elections and so I would like you to address whether the timing of the reports release has something to do with Boulder's elections um we view this as an a major issue that's ongoing um we be talking about it this week next week next month after the election next year I don't think it's going anywhere um the climate crisis is real it's here every strategy every tool we have at our disposal we need to use I didn't say it

[265:02] was you weren't going to talk I have one more okay so again a answer to the question was it released intentionally to have an influence on the elections in Boulder no we don't mention the election the candidates not inside you don't but the timing is different than what's mentioned in the reports to me it's about the issues and I want everyone here to care about it I want everyone here to care about it I want all the candidates in the election to care about it so I also looked at your report and I'm curious why you didn't mention any affordable housing in there um I would have liked to but this report specifically focused on the environmental benefits I think that would have been a much longer report but it didn't even address air quality so it it did address air quality I don't know about that yeah there's a correlation between compact development and reduced number of high ozone days so that was in there well we have um as Sam just

[266:01] pointed out we have higher much higher density I mean we have the same density but Denver is um seven times larger than we are um I would suggest that our um trips that aren't used by cars are probably much lower than Denver's and um you guys can we get down anyway it's just kind it is very interesting that your report was released three days before um people signed up I'll just make that comment and I think Boulder has been doing a lot of things the right way for a long time and I'll just point to the North Boulder subc Community Plan that we did over 25 years ago you guys yeah so I I just I mean I appreciate everyone who came here and Mr fmer for coming here to talk to us about Alpine balam and while he was involved with a report that is not what we're talking about tonight and I would appreciate if we could kind of stay focused I feel like we're grilling him

[267:00] on something that's not about what we're talking about tonight okay thank you for coming cool thank you um Ryan we wanted to honor Penfield Kate with our final that his nephew had to leave so can't talk about it that's okay uh it oh they just went away oh I was going to say you can leave it up there um if she wants us to do it that's okay okay but you sorry you didn't get to it but you can leave it up there and Ryan um the floor is yours thank you uh so I'm Ryan Hill um I live in North Boulder previously lived uh oh I knew that was going to happen uh I previously lived in Newlands on Iris uh I'd like to briefly express my support for those aspects of the proposed area plan uh that could reasonably enable an equitable uh fiscally and socially responsible outcome for the taxpayers Investments on the

[268:01] site in my view this outcome depends on smaller Parcels with a permeable layout that encourages pedestrian access with human scaled interior spaces for people to meet and linger I also believe Boulder would benefit from appeals from efforts to appeal to Residents who live efficiently by allowing for housing models that bundle public transit options in lie of Presumed vehicle ownership I think with alpine balson Council has a privilege and a responsibility to do what it can to produce Equitable scalable repeatable template for addressing Boulders pressing need for family familyfriendly middle income and permanently affordable housing I think Boulder should encourage plans that provide a variety of co-mingled housing options and bring residents together as a community and we should give creative people a fair chance to present and defend their ideas without honors constraints of an overly restrictive area plan I'd also like to express my support for the recommendations of the planning board including light non-residential opportunities on the western block and so I'm urging you to

[269:00] consider the least restrictive least restrictive area plan possible uh that keeps human scale signs on the table thanks great thank you Steven Rosen Bloom Stephen here okay how about Jeff C [Music] kahon okay Steve Leblon and then Margaret LMP good evening Steve leblan 443 Alpine Avenue I'm also part owner at the ideal market and North Broadway shopping center um I'm here to support the staff plan for housing at Alpine Balsam and appreciate their hard work it's been four and a half years since this project started and I've been to well over a dozen

[270:02] Community uh well publicized meetings and work shops and uh I'll probably go to another dozen but I want to address a few points tonight because cars and parking have been mentioned quite a bit uh I think that the parking District plan is excellent and maybe preference could be given to Residents that don't need to have one or two cars that that could be a preference way of obtaining um but one thing that is really important and being involved at the shopping centers is we have a crisis for employees right now I've heard a lot about petitions and talking to different people well I talk to all the different employees and every single one of them said I would love to live there I would love to live in Boulder I right now I drive in from Longmont Westminster Superior all these different

[271:01] communities the ironic thing is they work here and they can't vote here because they don't live here if we want to if we really love the ideal market and all the shops Let's help them to have a good supply of employees that live in the neighborhood and that right now they're driving in anyways so if they live in Boulder that's going to take maybe a 100 200 250 cars off the road so my last question is I hear people say I support affordable housing if not here where thank you very much sir we have a question for you oh sure hey Steve thanks for coming out um we were talking I don't know if you were in the room before we were talking about the area plan downstairs yeah outside of the um the city site we were talking about changing the land use designation for your property at Community Plaza is that something you're requesting the change from BC to no but um actually currently the uh zoning would allow for

[272:04] uh residential on top of the businesses but that's never in fact I just um there's been a lot of in fact I was at ideal the other day and I heard somebody say oh don't get too used to Ideal because it's going to be torn down like whoa where did this come from I just signed a I've got a 12 and a 14year lease in place but you're not just be clear you're not you're not seeking change abely use destination okay thanks can I have a follow up as well would you object to the change in land use designation the staff has proposed from community business to mixed juice it wouldn't change underlying zoning the underling zoning would remain bc2 but do you have an opinion about whether if it were changed to mixed use that would be problematic for you well it's mixed use bc2 now but I don't really it's community business for the land use and then for its bc2 for

[273:02] the zoning and so you're the land use change would not affect your zoning in the short term it would just you know actually I probably don't understand that fully I I thought maybe it was just coming up with a a an idea for the future that if we were to redevelop 15 20 years down the road that there might be some encouragement to continue core development the the retail will always be there that's that's that's a non question okay thank you great hey thank you Margaret and then Karen Simmons good evening I don't live in albine bosam I live in South Boulder but most of my friends live up in North Boulder are in Alpine balam and all of my doctors are at the Boulder Medical Center I'm also a boulder taxpayer I

[274:01] oppose the Alpine bosom area plan because this project is emblematic of the poor planning that seems to afflict Boulder I don't want to play pay for another blue sky illc conceived project so far no Alpine ballom plans and there have been a lot of them seem to be based on concrete planning systematic data Gathering hard evidence or solid cost estimates none consider their future and adverse consequences for the immediate neighborhood for North Boulder or the entire city they're just another set of those free data-free Concepts the city seems to like so much and I'm astonished as usual that they were imposed by the city officials on a healthy neighborhood with little authentic Community participation a few of the problems first is traffic Boulder is already gridlocked increasing density in Alpine balsom will aggravate traffic and how much has not been studied I don't want to have to navigate the equivalent of a

[275:00] traffic blood clot on Broadway every time I go to my doctor's office or my friends houses second loss of a thriving and vibrant business community that I love to visit the shop service establishments and restaurants do not redevelop need Redevelopment don't try to fix something that's not broken third is damage to a close-knit community of mostly small houses this neighborhood doesn't need need upsone the lots are small it has income diversity as much as exists in Boulder it could use some affordable and rent capped housing but not in the densities that overwhelm it Boulder taxpayers shouldn't be asked to pay for a project with no coherent plan once a real plan emerges taxpayers should have an opportunity to vote on it right now Alpine Balsam is like a train wreck about to happen the train is speeding forward the engineers asleep at the switch and the automatic brakes are broken and no one in the city is planning to stop it thank you thank you

[276:00] Karen and then Elizabeth princess Karen Simmons ninth and Delwood when the city council passed the Junction housing plan you were creating a new neighborhood in an old Auto retailer portion of 30th Street today the junction is a vibrant modern complex of four-story apartment buildings centered around the railroad Depot one thing that makes it work so well is its access to the bus and two major multi Lane thoroughfares 30th and 47th streets likewise at holiday neighborhood centered around the fondly loved Holiday Drive-In is a neighborhood of moderately zoned housing holiday 2 has the bus and two major thorough fars that allow its residents good access to where they need to go in a timely manner conversely Newlands is a century old neighborhood

[277:01] in the 1920s Mr Lashley gave the property where North Boulder Park now exists to provide a playground for the children living in the area so Newland has its long-standing neighborhood Heritage also but unfortunately Newland has just one major thoroughfare Broadway at least we have the bus with the hospital gone now there's an opportunity for an update yes it will need some new infrastructure to bring it to to this Century especially Transportation it all has to do with the number of residences you want to put at Alpine balam I think your plan will be too dense for the neighborhood considering the lack of thoroughfare availability and because of that congestion you will need to go slowly to gauge how well the area is handling the density so I hope that if you pass this

[278:02] plan the future planners and City count ILS will be able to make the amended changes necessary for moderate density traffic mitigation and for safe bike ped pedestrian use thank you thank you um Elizabeth and then Robin hi Council Elizabeth pennis I live on Seventh Street in Boulder um thank you for your pointed questions about the area plan and for also expressing your concern about our beloved Community Plaza um I just wanted to share I'm sort of pivoting with what I was going to say my husband texted me right before I got up that um the chair of the planning board had said that our group our neighborhood and think Boulder had done such fear-mongering that we'd squandered our chance to help shape this project and I'm just bringing that up because the vitriol has reached a level that feels like an impass and our

[279:02] neighborhood group I just want to clarify I think is is it's a frustration I don't think we're obstructionists we we want to partner we've invited the city to talk at various events we've reached out to people outside of our neighborhood and so my question sort of to council is what can we do um to move this forward in a way that feels productive like can we do a design oversight committee committee excuse me a neighbor um a neighborhood I don't know I don't have the right planning um vular but sub be involved in this sub community plan as a with neighborhood Representatives because it just it feels like we're all shouting at each other and we know there's going to be a change we want it to be compatible with the neighborhood and we want it to be productive but to hear from the planning board even you've squandered your chance when we've been saying we support medium density housing that's compatible with the neighborhood and

[280:00] affordable housing to boot so I guess it's it's a question that I look to your for your guidance on I think there are lots of people that would welcome that opportunity I'm sorry I'm almost over um you know and our group just to sort of clarify has also reached out to um the housing Advisory Board we've met with um Pro housing D or density Advocates I'd love to find some commonality and shape this in a meaningful way well hey thanks for that sentiment um when we get to the deliberations we can chew on that we probably want to make sure everybody else gets to speak be that's not a simple question that you ask no I know but um I appreciate you asking it and we we can include that in our discussion coming up okay so I just wanted to thank you for your um your tone and your willingness to collaborate and just um yeah your demeanor I really appreciate that well you all have a

[281:00] tough job and we all want to make the right choices so I think we can do it it looks like we have a couple questions oh yeah Bob Elizabeth thanks for coming out yes sometimes these offers have been made before and sometimes they work and sometimes they don't and one thing that would be helpful for us to understand is and I think your group is pretty well organized and you've got leaders that can kind of speak for a lot of people but it would be kind of important to know that because sometimes you have a conversation with somebody you think you kind of strike a deal and then you find out they don't speak for a lot of other people so that would just be kind of important for us to understand if we're going to have a sit down um I'm sorry I'm not sure I'm understanding I just I want to make sure that you know if there's a discussion I mean you have a group of leaders that kind oh oh sure I mean I think there within our own group there's a diversity of opinion so I'm not necessarily saying oh it's think like think Boulder has to have a seat at the table I'm saying people in the neighborhood want to have a seat at the table and there's probably a variety of opinions within that um yeah okay I

[282:01] guess I don't know what the chair of the planning board actually said because I wasn't there and haven't seen tape or heard it but to the extent that people in the neighborhood heard that you had squandered your opportunity to continue to shape the plan that's just not true it was posted on next door Newlands um you know there was a whole bunch of back and forth about the petition and I don't I don't you know it doesn't really matter to me except to the extent that everybody always has a chance to speak to councel regardless of your Viewpoint and we listen to what we hear all right thank you you we at Robin was that Robin was Elizabeth okay is Robin here nope Robin's gone okay you Mindy mull oh I'm sorry Mindy Mullins Mindy there

[283:01] you it's past bedtime yeah ped um I'm Mindy Mullins I live on the corner of bosam and 9th um I can't imagine anyone more directly um as far as this plan to as our house um I tell my kids every day to use your voice so that's why we're here two hours past bedtime to make sure our voice gets heard um the only reason I'm here is because of them and the traffic um two weeks ago we walked across the street and no one stopped and it hadn't been for me leading them it would have been a totally different outcome that intersection but Bost and 9th is so busy um always a line up of traffic people drag race through there it's loud all night long I just can't imagine the nightmare of adding this high density housing to that intersection and that's going to get all the traffic so I'm not against any of this change we're not against any of this change but some moderation would be fantastic our kids need to feel safe I cannot even let them walk across the road because of the traffic at this

[284:02] point I sit in my master bedroom every night and that's all we hear is traffic 00 at night so from 5: adding all these different houses that absolutely need cars it's crazy to think these people don't need cars the high schools busting at the seams as far as the numbers that the local public schools that are the same so I just think this needs a much better thought process than just to jump on board with high density housing and everything else that's been proposed thanks okay thank you thank you good night girls um Andrea sorry hi my name is Andrea Meyer um I've been a resident of Newlands for 32 years and I'm just here to re re reiterate some of the main points um I would like to urge um a postponing of

[285:01] the final vote until there's more Community engagement as has been mentioned um to think about Transportation P particularly because um like Balsam as a road is inadequate for East West uh as an East West Corridor as it is currently um uh so I'd like to address the congestion issues um the stress and um uh of the high density um impact on the uh neighborhood and um uh and just to address the congestion issue thank you thank you um Andrea oh you were Andrea God I'm starting to lose it okay Samantha Samantha here and then mateline after

[286:02] you good evening Cal my name is mine Fetch and I live on balam about a block and a half from the site I love my neighborhood and so much about it I have also been to many of the events open houses and workshops for the Alpine Balsam site I'm Blown Away by how many members of my neighborhood have been able to give their input and feedback throughout we are fortunate to have such a collaborative and solution finding process in the summary document I completely agree that this is an ideal location to add density in order to address critical housing needs in an Innovative and attractive way we can and will preserve the many good parts of our neighborhood by using the Alpine balam area plan to enhance these positives prioritizing significant amounts of affordable housing creating a hub for civic uses and boosting use of the local businesses we can put our money where our mouth is we care about the

[287:00] environment and we want others to have the high quality of life that we enjoy I ask you not to Discount the articulate and thoughtful input that many many people put into coming to the workshops held over the last four years certainly many more people than spoke tonight all of us who participate in creating this area plan did so in good faith and understand that solution seeking is the way forward not fist pounding and yelling I hope you as our council members can see through this plan with its strong benefits at this excellent location it is a gem stronger support for the local businesses an opportunity to encourage a walk bike bus lifestyle like many of us here choose to live and improving our environmental record by decreasing car miles traveled building housing in the city that has everything except housing let's make the best choice based on facts not fear thank you thank

[288:02] you um Maline Sam I'm just s okay come on up Sam why do I I'm always one behind Okay we're right there with you yep okay Hey so uh thank you Council Sam L um I live at 13th in balam right now um but I've actually also previously lived at 970 North which was one of the buildings identified um in the historic section of the current area plan um and uh the two places I've lived in the area have been what would now be described as either medium density residential hdr1 or maybe borderline hdr2 um considering the current um 970 North Street and um I love the neighborhood not in spite of those high density opportunities but because of those high density opportunities it is the reason um I was able to come to Boulder to help start a business in renewable energy put some uh risk down and um have an affordable place to live and then move up through the neighborhood as uh we managed to be

[289:01] successful um so um I do work in the Renewables industry I have no stake in financial stake in anything happening at all Alpine ball I might have know that's been a question recently um for uh climate action uh that's one of my main main points here really uh climate change really does require action sometimes inconvenient action uh city of Boulder is above average on climate um uh footprint uh for Boulder residents largely because of uh transportation and housing are the two reasons that our our climate impact is greater than average for the nation um and so plans that address those two um factors are going to have a great impact um work done at Berkeley by Jones camon at all um in their cool climate project at University of Berkeley um found that high density can improve climate footprint but only when it's combined with improved um transportation access to housing and ser you know goods and services in addition to just the housing um density on its own doesn't solve the problem density

[290:00] with services and with Transportation improvements does um and uh that leads me to the fact that I think that the area plan does a good job of addressing these things um I've been attending the workshops over the last couple of years um many of them as many as I could hit getting off of work on time and um they uh they do address the uh the transportation and climate issues that are needed to make it a um a valuable effort and we support the uh the area plan as it is thank you thank you William he he left okay Claudia and then Lynn good evening my name is Claudia Hansen theme I live in the holiday neighborhood where I want to correct the record we have 330 units not the 93 that

[291:00] Deborah Yin mentioned I love the central Boulder neighborhoods but they were already unaffordable in 2007 when my husband started his career here I appreciate those of you who have tried to dispel some of the misinformation that brought so many people here tonight I think it's corrosive and it's disrespectful to anyone in any position who has participated in this process in good faith time spent worrying about raising the ideal Market or erecting Soviet style apartment blocks on the former Hospital site is time we're not spending talking about the rare opportunity that we have here to Model A socially just and green future for Boulder though we often get lost in the weeds we know that every one of our planning decisions should be addressing our housing crisis growing inequality and the intensifying global climate emergency and we know in Broad outlines how to apply the limited powers of local government to each of these we need to diversify our housing stock we need to adopt land use patterns and build transportation systems that reduce our dependence on cars and we need to invest

[292:01] in a rich public realm and spaces that build community the Alpine Balsam area plan should guide development towards all of these goals and the current draft does move cautiously in this direction it is moderate we should plan to preserve existing apartments and add more modest housing in this well-connected and amenity Rich part of town we should plan for mixed use development which will boost housing potential and enhance the Beloved neighborhood retail at commun at Community Plaza and we should use emerging best practices in transportation demand man management to discourage driving in what will become an even more accessible and walkable neighborhood the language of planning is rarely inspiring it's easy to fear change it's much harder to imagine the living breathing and inhabited places that can emerge from land use maps massing diagrams and traffic counts I think the sketches you saw that Jerry shapin did earlier of an Urban Village are delightful and they're the kind of

[293:00] vision that we need here we can build inclusive livable and love places but not from a place of fear thank you thank you Claudia um Lynn and then Evan L um Mountain Heights um there's a climate emergency I don't like to have to say this stuff all over again to you all the time but um the hospital needs to stay The Pavilion is staying you can't tell the difference between them when you try to look walk the site they're integrated it it's a great building the city should go into the hospital and the housing should go into the Pavilion and there was just a speculation move made at marpa house where the property value went up from 4.2 to $4.9 million because a developer swooped in thinking that you know it was

[294:01] going to be demolished and planning 16 units out of a 40 you know 16 units three bedrooms out of 40 people living in that space now you want to talk efficient housing marpa house is it you want to talk about kind great people I just was up there last night and talking to them and they have it's it's absolutely the antithetical in Boulder to let something like marpa house go away the history of that the the model of community the the ease of Energy Efficiency you know what are you going to do tear that apart and put in fixtures for each individual person when you've got 40 people you've got cubbies in the bathrooms you've got the space being ultimately used you've got parking no problem people know each other and

[295:00] they share cars naturally put about five of those where the parking pad is put the city into the hospital and put some more housing and maybe some more Mara housing Mara house type housing into the Pavilion and call it quits um know we just we have to have true 15minute neighborhoods this is not 15minute neighborhood that we have now in all of these area plants we need real 15 we need to buy up houses in indiv idual places where people can really walk in and do that first then do this delay delay Lynn Evan rabitz I live right on the razor's edge of the Alpine Balsam area but speaking more generally if Boulder continues in the direction it's been

[296:00] going for the 41 years I've lived here we will fulfill nyt's curse and destroy this beautiful Valley but there are a couple of new things we could do if we got out of our silos and boxes and acronyms and master plans and one of them we already did um I spearheaded uh getting counsil to allow electric bikes on the paths and now 6 years later I see them exploding I'm happy to see that a probably a majority of them are cargo electric bikes and I see whole families with you know uh one parent and a couple of kids and the groceries all on a cargo electric bike and the other thing I think that you could do that would be new is instead of hoping that

[297:00] people wouldn't own cars with the8 uh uh parking spaces per unit um is to establish or incentivized developments where people sign covenants that they will not own cars and there are thousands of people like me in town already who would love to live in a place that instead of having a sea of parking had a bunch of Gardens and trees Andor that we could could spend less money um and you could attract that kind of people into town instead of the people that you brought in with earlier experiments with density where each place along Canyon has a $40,000 underground parking spot none of these people take the bus thanks thank you Evan

[298:02] will thank you will tour 30321 Street and I'm here tonight speaking not in my professional capacity but as a boulder resident and I want to encourage you to really look at the options for Alpine Balsam that will maximize the amount of housing that we can bring to our community and really two reasons for that one are the obvious climate and energy benefits Boulder is a national leader on energy and climate policy and in order to live up to sort of our reputation and our values really tackling the housing crisis in Boulder I think is is essential but I'd like to spend most of my time speaking more from the heart as a neighbor of this site This months marks 20 20 years that I've lived in the Newlands neighborhood couple blocks from that site when my younger child was born we walked down to the hospital to have the baby and walked back with me carrying the baby in my

[299:00] arms so I that that site has been very important to me over the years but during the time that I've lived in Newlands I've been watching our neighborhood change when I first lived there there was a single mother next door who managed to get by through doing daycare there's no way she could live in that neighborhood anymore what I've seen is we're losing our economic diversity there's no way that young people can come into our neighborhood I love my neighbors I love my new neighbors but I don't want my neighbors to only be the ultra wealthy going forward and I think the best thing that we could do for our neighborhood would be to bring a significant amount of housing into the neighborhood that would allow just more different types of people to continue to live in our neighborhood so thank you very much and good luck making the decisions thank you will making calls hello everybody my name is monan kls I live at 1726 Mapleton Avenue so

[300:01] you've got a hard job here but I want to I want to speak in support of the plan I think it's well thought out um I I guess my my back gets up a little bit when I hear people say that it's not data driven there hasn't been enough thought to it not enough Outreach because with respect to Alpine balam and our housing issue I've been attending meetings for six years on housing and four five years uh on the Alpine balam site and I guess my if I have one disappointment it is that we're not pushing density enough on that site housing density because when we purchased it in 2015 it was on the heels of hearing from neighborhoods all over Boulder who were crying out for more housing but everybody also they are all consistent that they don't want the housing put next to them or as part of their single

[301:01] family neighborhood this is a community investment that everybody in Boulder is paying for and so the outcome should not be determined just by the immediately adjacent neighborhoods I'm in one such neighborhood in Whittier um but really this is this is an opportunity to do something really special and I think you're moving in the right direction with it what what we're hearing from the people immediately impa acted are legitimate concerns but we hear those in every single project wherever it comes up and Boulder and it's we've got a goal of 3500 housing units in the middle income housing strategy by 2030 how are we going to get there we need to really push the envelope on this and make it a special place um but let's make it a place where a lot of people can live thank you thank you

[302:00] Mak um John and then Eric Bud oh is John not here okay hello Eric bud I live at Ingram cooperative and uh I mentioned that because uh the previous eight years I lived uh on Broadway just a couple blocks from the Alpine balom site and uh the chance to start a new housing Cooperative in Boulder was just incredible and so that's the reason that I moved out of my condo that I lived you know ever since I've been in Boulder um and there's honestly a lot of things that I miss I feel like living in uh the edge of Martin Acres I feel like I'm in the suburbs now and uh I I really liked being a seven-minute walk from Ideal Market I really liked being a six-minute

[303:02] bike ride to downtown or being able to hop on the bus I where I lived the bus was 50 ft from my front door and my question for you all is how can we provide these great opportunities for people in our city people who work work in our city and do it at the same time well living out our values you know making sure that as a city owns this property we're going to do this development sustainably that includes the buildings as well as the transportation makes a great place for people I would love to live at this proposed site it's very walkable it's a place with Community North Boulder Park is amazing and right now what we've got is an empty hospital and so as the leader leaders of our city I just want you all to be able to dream bigger and think about how we can continue to live out our values and

[304:02] continue to make our city better so I support the plan thank you thank you Eric and that's it with that we'll close the public hearing thank you for everybody taking the time to come down it is 11:05 um we need a motion to continue the meeting so second all those in favor well let's at least continue the meeting enough to figure out what we're going to do is that fair all those favor of continuing the meeting to discuss whether we should continue the meeting okay um okay so we have a lot of questions that you're hoping that we're going to answer and it's a late hour to begin answering them it is and as your um your uh paper agenda reflects um to make sure that um we're addressing both of the items that were presented tonight um the first question was really also to make

[305:01] sure that we gather the feedback about the Pavilion you have to talk louder we're going to um we'd like to make sure that um we capture the feedback around the um Pavilion renovation and City facilities and that might be that's the the first one under the council discussion um okay well I guess the question before the question is are people ready to dive in or hey would you like to do this tomorrow after vaping um I don't know so I don't know I I kind of I kind of do I do you dive in no no no to to do it tomorrow I mean I hate to say this and all these people have been here forever but we have an hour and a half of discussion two hours of discussion I you know tomorrow night's Peg for three hours we don't have any public testimony tomorrow night I I would agree with that I agree with that I've been I'm under the weather and so I just I need to go home and I but I'd like to be part of

[306:03] this discussion I just need to go back to bed okay um so mir's probably got an issue I'm guessing MH I mean yes and no I guess it depends on I mean we're missing Cindy tonight and I know that Cindy and I sit on the same thought wave and so now we're just swapping it out and so I guess the question is if we're moving forward with something I understand this isn't a vote but it could be a KN of five well it'll be Direction so right so and so the point being that but is Cindy going to be here tomorrow I don't know I I thought so I don't anybody happened to know so the point is I think if I don't do we have um our schedules or something so so she wasn't supposed to not be here tonight from the previous schedules so this was the I think her note today was just like she's not feeling well or had something come up but the from from our plan so supposed to be here okay keep going so I

[307:00] guess I'm what I'm trying to say is from my Gatherings there might be four of us in one's idea and four in another idea and if that's the case then you know not being here is going to change the course of how this moves so so will you not be here tomorrow night no no so there's no vote that's coming from this this is essentially like a steady session with public Direction and so direction is still a not of five is that not correct well there will be a v potentially a vote when it comes back to us on the 24th is that right 24th no it no it's October 1 October all right our hearing so we have one more hearing with the planning board yeah on the 24th and then we will make a decision October 1st so can I just ask a question to the staff on the direction you want and if you get that direction tonight tomorrow or October 1st or I mean

[308:03] yeah October 1 um what how does that affect your work plan so Our intention was to similar to the planning board um when they walked through these questions um as members provided their feedback we kind of asked for a thumbs up straw pole nods of heads to understand if there was um you know what what level of support amongst the whole board um were those recommendations so that we could and we reflected that um in the feedback to you in the memo um it will help us to be able to take all of those piece it's the direction to change what you see in the draft plan so that we can come back um for that public hearing with something that you um hopefully was an intent to adopt good oh thought have question or confusion um so so you got some feedback

[309:03] already from planing board you get feedback from us at some point in time you have another public hearing like what what's the purpose of the second public hearing like are we going to hear different things from different members of the community or what's the purpose of the second public hearing the the second public hearing is the public hearing associated with adoption the purpose of the public hearing tonight was to hear from the public and then um get the council's initial reaction to the plan so that um you could provide Direction with to staff on how you would like to see the plan come come back um when you actually do your adoption process later this fall okay I I feel little uncomfortable having Council me sounds like you're looking for thumbs up and thumbs down I think you might be surprised if you do that without council members here and then October one find out that people who were not present to give you the thumb thing have a different point of view so that might be a waste of a lot of people but the other thing is maybe we could also get somebody can sit down

[310:00] and get your opinions on these things if that or you if they are taken I'm more than happy with that but they would have to be counted if I'm not here but if if they're not do that so I assume that they would be because again this is like a study session right and so when people write in at study sessions they're they're kind of input goes noted and so I think I would know how to interpret Cindy's input from today probably same with yours um and so we can count those and so if it's count I'm comfortable with it but if it wasn't time to tell us your thoughts yes okay tomorrow tomorrow yeah I mean I'm wondering you know um you guys have created this list which I think is really helpful in getting our thoughts organized I'm wondering if we could just send these in I don't know I mean that would preclude a discussion but it would give you guys you know an idea of where we're at well I guess could I propose that we

[311:01] do it tomorrow night I think I would benefit from the discussion with you guys I agree and then as long as we get your input if Mir is okay and yeah they're kind of open-ended questions so if you're okay with that yeah okay then why don't we go ahead and do that um and we will tack it on after that when we finish dealing with tobacco and vaping tomorrow night does that sound good sounds great yeah just although with apologies to all the folks who are still here um but we we're going to do a better decision-making process if we hold off till right and I'll just remind people in the audience that you can stream this discussion or you can watch it on Channel 8 um so you don't have to be here to know what the discussion is and what we're doing yeah you can watch it appreciate you all being there yeah this has been very helpful I oh go ahead um I'm I'm just in the interest of um our sta our um we have both Fox here for the

[312:02] consultant for Fox tutle Hernandez and I'm not sure if he can be here tomorrow so I'm wondering if there are questions about that that we can either get or get um sometime during the day tomorrow so that we can um get those addressed for you if we have transp in terms of number of trips and if we have transportation related questions the access and Mobility or traffic study typ we should get them to that would be would have been useful to know um okay it's too late to start that tonight um I didn't realize that was the case staff and Consultants can be available um tomorrow okay so you're asking for us to send in questions tomorrow um because we're not going to do that right now no it's fine I think that um um because I don't know who will be able to be available to be here to answer questions should we have them if there are burning questions if you guys can get those to me we can do a do try to do a better job

[313:01] of answering them I mean I think that's a fair request if you have questions specific to the staff here or the the traffic try and get them in by when by noon so or or earlier to no or earlier okay so could that also include um some people came up with ideas of vofs and stuff and asking um Fox tutles you know I don't know if they have those kinds of proposals okay but I think I think if there are questions if you can get them to us ahead we can try to do a better job of answering them okay thank you okay I have a question oh good what goes first tomorrow night vaping okay well could we just continue the meeting I just think vaping's a little EAS year

[314:02] I hate to say um the only then then um I I just think this is a more complicated discussion I think we would benefit from having a nice fresh crisp discussion earlier in the meeting and well the only thing all all the people who care about vaping are expecting that to start at 6 o'clock tomorrow night and there are a lot of people who care about yeah I I'm not saying there aren't I get the same emails that you do of course we um I hear I hear what you're saying Lisa but I'd rather than disrupt two meetings let's Okay stick the plan and we'll try to be efficient with the one so we can 30 or something yeah I mean if we could keep it to an hour and a half that that would be great oh Bo okay thank you all for being here and for giving us your input um both on the email and in person and with that

[315:02] we're going to adjourn after vaping after vaping we're not [Music] vaping