November 16, 2022 — Boulder Junction Access District Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:01] Okay, So it is. Okay. Uh: I started recording. It is four. Oh, six, and I will call role Susan. Uh here, Jennifer striker, present Rebecca Do, Michelle, Brian, Cook, present, and Kevin. Now I do believe he is going to attend. He's just not here yet. So no, for Kevin and Robin present, and then turn it back over to our chair. Okay. So next on the agenda is the approval of the September twenty one minutes. Does anybody have any changes

[1:11] they may need more time to look at them. Okay, motion to approve them. We have a second. We do our second there. Okay, uh all in favor. Bye, bye. Okay, Anyone Post. Okay. Um. The next item is approval of the Commissions meeting days. So I see on page seven we have the Parking Commission meeting dates, but I don't know page No. Seven page nine. Um.

[2:00] Oh, Tdm. And Parking Commission. Okay, I'm: Sorry I read it wrong. So if you go to your packet on page nine. Ah, and just any questions on that and or anything stand out as something you absolutely know. You can't make July nineteenth, September twentieth and November fifteenth. I'll: I'll have to double check the November date. But I think everything else. Okay, Yeah. It's hard for people not far in advance. Uh, do we have a motion to approve those just quick, quick question? Sorry if we know we might miss one. Is there a recommended like the May seventeenth date. For me, for example, Is this strong? Maybe likely? No, do we? Just if there's a quorum, otherwise well, it's fine to to not be there. Or would you prefer this early to try to move it? I just don't know what you would suggest,

[3:13] so i'll I'll chime in. Yes, certainly. If there was, If we knew we would not have a quorum, I would suggest that you would the entertain um directing staff to reschedule. But if we can. If we feel like we'll still be able to have a quorum, and i'll leave it up to you to whether you want to um work around that uh scheduling conference. Um, Did we? We have second rate, Jeff for a second uh all in favor. Hi! Did people vote in favor? Okay, uh public participation. Do we have anybody from the public to participate? Lisa?

[4:04] We do not. Okay. We'll move on consent agenda, which is in your packet? Um. I'll give people a chance to go to it. It's on uh page ten. I only have one question. I think. I remember some comments that a number of the um restaurants that were in the outdoor dining pilot didn't immediately join the the new during Covid didn't immediately join the new one, and maybe you commented then, that there wasn't any usage of that program in Boulder Junction. I just was curious. If you could remind me if that was true, that no, there's no

[5:00] restaurants or other businesses using the outdoor pilot in Boulder Junction. Correct? Yeah. For the initial round. No business applied, but a otherwise. Anyone in Boulder junction off of the main thoroughfares is eligible to apply at least right. I think they were in the service area. The speed limits were low enough, et cetera that they could go through the next round of applications if they want if they were interested. Yup! Yup! And the next round opens February one Brian. I'm not sure how many restaurants are in Boulder Junction that do not have them outdoor seating of their own. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I know it's like zeal has the patio and et cetera. It has the patio um. The depot obviously has a large audio, and in the space um you know the coffee shop, and um! I can't remember the name of ever and still yards has outdoor seating.

[6:02] Um I where the pizza place used to be, and Griffin, like, has a little bit of outdoor, maybe So Got it. Okay, Thank you. Um. Can we get a motion to approve it? I don't know if we need it for the consent agenda. Correct? Yeah. No actionable items in the consent agenda. But if there are no more questions we can move ahead, and each of them, hey? Thanks so much, Sue, and Great to see everyone again. Um! It's been a little time since we've met, and the last time we were talking was about um Well shared micro mobility, of course, and then also discount zones and and whatnot, and uh so it's great to be with you again. So tonight's um presentation is is all about our E scooter evaluation Update

[7:12] um. You may recall that about um A little over a year ago uh we included shared e scooters as part of our overall share micro mobility programs. We've got e bikes with B cycle. And now he scooters, too, and City Council directed staff to um implement a pilot program for one year and test the efficacy of it to see if it was a good fit for our community. And So they said, Yeah, go ahead and do this. But on the east side of uh of Boulder. And so we said, Okay, We went to town and we felt regulations and went under contract with Lyme, and and since then have been um monitoring the um the aspects of the program. And so we've drafted it an e scooter evaluation report. Um! It just came out recently um as part. I think it was like last Friday. Um! And so uh that information is out there. So we we presented to Tab last Monday, and so being that, you bet every two months we wanted to get to you beforehand. Um! But we're here now, and so

[8:14] for every other month. Excuse me, and and so we wanted to. Uh, you know. Make sure that we have time to to talk with. You. Share our preliminary key findings from the report. Um, talk a little bit about next steps, and then get some input from you on that. So with that I will share my presentation. Let's see here, all right. Can you all see my screen? Okay. Oh, yes, Okay, Great, Excellent, All right. So. Um, let's move to the first slide here and again, you know. Talk about the reason, the purpose for why, uh, we are doing this share micro mobility program to include both you bikes and these scooters, and we want to provide safe, equitable, and a sustainable forms of transportation to improve our quality of life provide connections to transit and key destinations, and replace motor vehicle trips to reduce

[9:20] transportation-related greenhouse gas emissions that's the bottom line right we're trying to shift trips from motor vehicles and provide alternative uh transportation. I don't like that. We're at alternative transportation, sensible transportation, sustainable transportation uh for people in our city before we we started the program. We developed several evaluation criteria. Okay, we're gonna do this. Let's see what are the important things that we we want to take a look at. Now. There's several here. I'm not going to go into all of them right now, but I will say that safety um was a a very important um component of this, and as well as um well, community feedback and sustainability.

[10:02] Um, And so we pay special attention to those in the evaluation, report and and mode shift. Darn it, they're all important, and i'll be touching on um some of those here this evening. We just take a look again, kind of where we where we've been and where we are, and where we're going. So it was back in October, two thousand and twenty, when Council said, hey? Including scooters in the program. And then we did an Rfp. Uh worked with a group of community members and uh organizations and created a scope of work, and Lyme won that and um. And then we launched the program, August seventeenth of two thousand and twenty one. And now here we are, just past the one year, mark. And now we're sharing um a lot of the preliminary key findings with um all of these boards and commissions and stakeholder groups, and that's the list that you see um in front of you there. And so um! Following our sharing of the key findings we're looking for input on our next steps We're going to fold all these, you know. We're going to finalize all of our next steps into how we expand the program. Um! And we'll make those changes in the first quarter of two thousand and twenty-three.

[11:14] And so what what are we seeing out there? Well, it's a mixed back? We're seeing both good and um and bad results. Um, The good stuff is that um people are using them. Um, they're They're all over the place uh every code, nook and cranny has been traveled by any scooter, and i'll be sharing some utilization data with you to kind of prove that um. They're using um these scooters for trips to school trips to work trips for shopping and running errands. Um! And then there's also an issue with um how they're being parked, and so. Um Many times we'll find the East gooders blocking a sidewalk or crosswalk and um that presents people, presents problems to people who are walking, and particularly those people who um have disabilities.

[12:05] And so the major themes again. Um, you know, looking at um kind of the overall gamut of um input that we've received. Now we put out a questionnaire. We received over a thousand responses. Um, which is pretty good for one of our city um questionnaires. Now Lyme has one too. Um. They received a hundred and seventy-five responses that went those from directly from their customers, and then throughout the course of the of the pilot program. We've had several inquire Boulder reports, and we've got, you know, continual um or ongoing direct contact with city staff. So the major themes like I mentioned the improperly parked e Scooters is the Biggie. That's the big problem. Um. And then also abandon these scooters and ditches and creeks. And But then there's also this appreciation for the program. Okay, management. So new and fun a way to travel around Boulder Um. People are ready to go west of Twenty Eighth Street. Um. They want to complete their trips to other parts of the city. It's an alternative to driving it's more convenient for them.

[13:05] Um. But in other hand, people are not always feeling safe on our streets, running at each other, too, so a lot of folks are running on sidewalks, which can it be attributed to unsafe running behaviors, and we'll talk more about that, too. And uh, but you know ultimately um, I guess, in in a positive note it's new. It's fun um, and it's serving both recreational and utilitarian purposes. So let's jump into do the utilization here. So right now there are three hundred E. Scooters deployed in East Boulder when we started the program we had two hundred, but we have a demand base cap formula which regulates the number of speed scooters that are in that market. And so when we see demand over here a two week period and the um, the rides per device per day are greater than two. Then we're able to increase the um the fleet size by twenty, and so accordingly, we've today have three hundred e scooters in in the East Boulder market.

[14:04] Um! They've wrapped up one hundred and fifteen thousand trips, or one hundred and seventeen thousand seven hundred miles over the course of the year. When you take into account those winter months we've seen about one point five average trips per device per day. The The the trips are short, but one mile, ten to eleven minutes, and um we did a We calculated the greenhouse gas savings. Um! What we did is we used Twenty five percent of um. All trips taken would have displaced a motor vehicle trip, and that figure that twenty-five is based on um, a statistically valid survey that line produced in two thousand and nineteen, which resulted in in in that outcome twenty-five percent and so twenty-six thousand pounds of greenhouse gas savings. Basically It's about consuming one thousand three hundred gallons of gasoline, one way to look at it. And again, safety being such an important aspect of this, we've had for moderate to two severe crashes,

[15:06] and in these these cases there the police um were called. The ambulance came, and they were um brought to the hospital, and I say, moderate, too severe, incapacitating with someone breaks an ankle or a leg, or has a head injury that's considered a and um, and so that was really, you know one of the criteria there. Let's document how many severe injury crashes have taken. There's been more um a total of seventeen, with four of those being moderate to severe. The other thirteen were um minor injuries, scrapes those sorts of things. And um that necessarily reported to Pd. But we were reported to by Okay, and this is a utilization map here. This all trips um taking over the course of the year. And again, when I talk about that

[16:00] penetration of the entire East Boulder market, you're looking at it right there. Um! The darker colors um mean um greater usage, and that dark purple corridor that's Thirtieth Street. Run right down there through Boulder Junction. Um, A lot of activity in um that particular area right there, but they really are all over Many of the um arterial corridors, and then um are also utilizing them all to use path system where they are legal, where they lock where they are legal. To ride. This map is really helpful to kind of understand the activity, the the use these are trip starts. So this basically tells us, you know, every time someone helps on a scooter where they're coming from, and uh, you can see twenty-three mile right there. Kind of near Bullet Junction area um there is a lot of use there. It's also if I showed you an end, trips an app to look very much the same, because the trips are only one mile. And so a lot of the trips result in that kind of activity center there the shopping area. Um.

[17:03] And so what that does mean, you know, for twenty-nine stream models that people are using these to access goods and services just potentially an economic benefit of having this mode being able to access these different places. Other points of interest here are. Um I traditionally underserved communities. Um up to the north. There we've got four in the area Orchard Grove, San Juan del Centro San Luzaro, and the vista, Parkside villages, equities, big component. It was ingrained in the beginning of the um The the whole project the whole scope of work. Um! And so it's been on our radar, and we've been addressing it over the course of the year. However, participation in the accessibility, the affordability program has been low, and we think that's for some of the reasons. Um, but we don't want to make an assumptions quite yet, and there's more work to do with our um connectors. Community connectors and residence program to really kind of break down to see what those barriers truly are. So Don't want to speculate with you tonight.

[18:03] Uh, And then the other points of interest. Here, too, are See you, Boulder and I'm sorry the East campus, and then also Williams village. There's a lot of um activity occurring between those two campuses, and they're really trying to make their way um west to the main campus. Okay, now, this here, this particular side here is but mode shift. So if an East Gooder wasn't available, how would you? How would you have made your trip? So? Our questionnaire, which is not statistically valid um points to about. Nearly half of people would have taken some sort of motor vehicle trip, either privately owned or a ride hill or a taxi. If you look at the pink box that's walking. So in addition to replacing the motor vehicle trips, we're also this uh displacing uh walking trips, it's obvious that these scooters are a bit more convenient and faster to get to one's destination, so make no judgment there,

[19:05] and then we ask folks um where they Where do the people like to ride? And this is a multiple choice answer. And you know, obviously the the green and the pink are popular. The green is residential streets and or bike lanes, and the pink is multi-use paths. Um. And so people also responded that they like to run on a sidewalk Well, technically side writing on the sidewalk. It illegal, but people do it, and they do it because they don't feel safe in the street that tells us about the need for protected infrastructure. Um, and then also, maybe re-examining some of the areas where people don't feel safe, and until we have that protected infrastructure should we make it legal while keeping it illegal on, put in places that have high pedestrian volume. So again, kind of bringing us back to where we are. Um. We'll go to City Council in December and share this information. Share some additional proposed steps. Share the input. That we received from all of our boards and Commissions community members, and then we'll finalize those next steps. Wrap it into a program for two thousand and twenty-three and begin to make those refinements.

[20:18] And So with that we'll ask you a few questions today, and um, if there's any observations that you share, i'd love to hear it, and if you have suggestions to refined up the the sharedy Scoo. I'm happy to um. Take those comments tonight, and also talk about next steps a little bit. Thank you. Do you want to call on people, or should I decay? Oh, feel free to run the meeting. Thank you. Hi, d How you, Kate, that? Thank you so much. So it's actually very interesting. I enjoyed reading about in the packet as well. I guess my my question is, uh, first of all, two comments. One I work at. See you. I'm in my Ceo office right now. I had someone here complaining this morning about not being able to get their east coast, So i'm. I'm very familiar with that and definitely. It's something that's been very helpful for our students

[21:16] access. Wise, especially those who live over and on East campus. I will tell you. I had this funny experience where someone left an East Kooter right in front of my condo for a week, and I think that gets that one of the major comments. So as a user of the E bike uh the B cycle program all the time, one of the things I think that's extremely helpful is that you have to park it at a specific location, and the fact that the and also i'm an avid cyclist. So the fact that you just have these E scooters that are like left in lanes and so forth. I guess my question is, what technology are they working on. They're either tracking these fast enough that they can pick them up, or that they can force them; that they have to be parked in certain designated areas to prevent these things from happening, and for accessibility issues for dangers to bicycles. It's not having access to our our

[22:06] our sidewalks. I love all the wonderful things on it. But if they could solve this one problem, I think that's what everybody has an issue with. With this I would I would agree with you one hundred percent. This is the the major issue with the whole program that it's inherent to the dockless model. Right? So the docked model is the B cycle, or there's specific locations, and you have to have that frequency of locations for it to work well. So, and then also the density um, and so um! If a scooter remains idle for greater than seventy-two hours, it's supposed to trigger a message to Lyme, who is responsible for rebalancing and responding to all the E scooters. They go out and then take that scooter and move it, not saying, there's ever any outliers, because apparently you've experienced. So i'm sure it's happened elsewhere, too. Um! That's good information for me to take back to the to the team.

[23:03] Um, so what they use, though there's a Gps device in there, each device. And so you could basically let the operator know how much battery is left in the scooter. Um, and then where they can be operating where they can't be operated. We can also program to go at specific speeds in certain areas, and then, finally, we can also um ensure moving forward that they are parked in mandatory designated parking areas. It will do that and put likely two ways, one electronically through the Geo fencing. And what happens? There is someone who has the app open who is using a scooter is not able to end their ride until they parking that virtual Ge offense zone, and what we'll do to augment. That is also uh create a signed and marked location in the street Um, where so it's a there's a visible for the visible location for the customer to where to where to put it. So

[24:03] I hope that. Does that answer some of your questions, and how it works. No, I think that's yeah, definitely Answer my questions. Be fair. It might have been five days, but it's actually funny, because I was like, I know they're going to bring this up in the next meeting, so i'm definitely going to clock it to how long this is in front of my house. Yeah, Great? No, I hear you. It's good, you know. Each device actually also has a unique identification number, and then also um contact information. And so it's. You know it. It should be the responsibility of residents to go and report these things when you see them. But if people do, they're really good. Lamb has been really good and responsive to um, addressing concerns like within like the hours they have people on the ground that live here in boulder that are working on this, and I have a warehouse and whatnot, but it has to be reported. If it's not reported, then it'll sit there, and and so that's part of that challenge, but I think the designated parking areas would remain that said, However,

[25:02] remember earlier on that um your commission. We requested that that the the Boulder Junction access district remained dockless, and so moving forward, we'd like to maintain that if that is something that um, the Commission would prefer to do. Continue to do. We're looking at shopping centers and activity zones. Um like Twenty Ninth Street, Mall. Um, basically those are private property. Anyway, you don't necessarily have the right to regulate. Um. Those are sometimes deals or agreements that are worked out with the private property owners. But for Boulder Junction being the public right of way, and having your commission here, we can determine whether or not they should remain dockless or they should go to designated parking areas one hundred and fifty. Okay, i'm going to go next. It It decays that. An answer you want today. Or is that something that you go on our agenda another time?

[26:01] Um, you know. I don't know if there needs to be any sort of you know. Uh what do you call it? Proposal or recommendation official recommendation. But if there is, if you, if you think it will require some additional um discussion to determine that amongst your group, then it could be a future agenda Item, We do have time, as we're, you know, working towards the making those improvements in two thousand and twenty-three or if today you have some preferences, or leading one way or the other. Be good to here to some kind of the some of those initial, I guess. I personally don't have my preference, but i'll leave it to others to say so. I just wanted to say that this is a great presentation, really good job with data collection. Um! How did you get this data. Oh, it's a good question. Um, This is: we have a program called Ride Report, and uh, this is the right report that you and I have. Just yeah, exactly. This is A. So this is a third party platform. We have a contract with Dr. Cog, which is the Denver Regional Council of governments. They have a contract with Ryan report.

[27:13] And so we get this pretty inexpensive um software. Well, any specific for us software. To use to basically track all of the data. So each vendor is required to have what is called mobility data specification, and it's a certain software within the scooter that um will track where all these things are going in real time. It's awesome from a transportation planning perspective and from a Geo fencing. The technology is wonderful. It's really helped us manage this whole problem. This whole project. Yeah, it's a really good report Uh, Rebecca. This is kind of follow up on someone robin stuff. So I will say Um! Of course I have no idea how long this option will remain available, but usually you can also tweet at line, and they will come, pick up scooters that are in the wrong spot, or knocked over, or anything like that, so that is one option as well. Um, if you don't want to necessarily

[28:11] go look up the Id, or anything like that. Not the picture tweeted at them, and they will. They will send somebody out um the other part, though I will say that I do like support documents um with on street corrals for parking, so I feel like it should never be more than like two blocks away for for approved parking for dockless skaters. Um be cycle. Obviously this. The docking stations are quite expensive. They usually have to require like sponsors to get set up. Um and Austin I lived in in a neighborhood that was just outside that perimeter of of the cycle. Um, but when we got scooters all of a sudden, like people in my neighborhood could actually utilize those. So, Rebecca, just to clarify um when you say dockless, because then you all. We We also talk about having designated parking areas, too. Are you thinking of going to be a hybrid approach for um Bjad area?

[29:11] I I don't want the the parking areas to be part of the sidewalk for sure, right? Because that's still a problem of they're They're in the way. Um! It can be knocked over easily. They should definitely be taking a spot on the street. Um versus where people walk. Um, But it's okay to have some guidelines for like, Hey, this is this actually appropriate place for you to park? I just don't think it should be more than like, say, two blocks should be kind of the longest, and they should have to walk to find a parking spot, because if there's not parking spot within two blocks, then you're already. You're already like kind of degrading the service and availability lost the density and the the frequency of the stations. And so you're saying, if we did move to designated parking in the beach. That area. Yeah, it needs to be. It needs to be frequent. Um, And it can can be combined with other stuff, too. Right. We could have more by uh parking spots that are combined with line scooters

[30:11] on street facilities is what you're what you're saying. Okay, Thank you. It's helpful. Well, I don't see any other questions. Um, okay, Dk: Thank you so much for coming here and giving Ryan has a comment. Um, I I thought the presentation was great. The safety record and the emissions reductions are really cool. Statistics, I think, for the quantity of travel compared to the you know, having for moderate to severe injuries. I mean, that's

[31:00] I think that's just a really good signal to the city that you know you can trust almost everybody to use these responsibly, and and um with some fixes around the parking like we're talking about. I'm sure that'll continue to get better. I I think it's just a great sign. Um for the program. The protected uh infrastructure, I think, using the E scooter program to help advocate for protected infrastructure that benefits other modes is a really exciting tactic. Um, I, you know. I remember the original fulsome, protected Bike Lane. Snafu um I I I saw it, and then it was gone uh anyways. Uh, I think it'd be Really, it'd be really cool to see um. It'd be really exciting to see more protected. Multimodal. Um, you know, non auto transit and having a program like the the scooter program, be um

[32:12] provided some momentum To see that happen would be would be awesome. Uh one thing I was curious about from the packet was around the recycling. It talked about. How many devices or scooters, I guess were recycled. Is that a a a burden on the city, or is line responsible for that? Lime is responsible for that. They're responsible for all their equipment. And then all of the obviously the maintenance, and then um all the rebalancing completely on them. As a matter of fact, that the city now takes revenue from um from a per trip fee which we're able to then collect and then build back into the shared micro mobility program, where in previous years it had been the opposite, where we got into a position where our subsidy

[33:02] not saying that whether it's right or wrong to have a subsidy, but it was continuing continually increasing, while our budget was getting smaller during the Covid era. And uh so um! Now we've reversed that we've got a more um sustainable uh model kind of financially sustainable model great um as far as the the locations where the speakers are allowed, I think moving west to fullsome twenty-six would be really I I don't know how much. The area changing is on the table, but having it go to fulsome um could make a big difference there's a lot of additional dense neighborhoods just between fulsome and twenty-eight um that could benefit a as well as a lot of um. You know commercial office space you know between Canyon and and Pearl uh in that zone, too. So

[34:02] um I think that would be exciting. Um, I I know crossing twenty eight with the scooters is probably, you know people do it on bikes, so I guess that you already have the the track record there. But um no, Ryan, thank you for that, and I You know it. It is our intention to our proposed next steps is to go west of twenty eighth and and make this um hopefully. Make this a a citywide program. Yeah. Cool with designated parking areas. Listen: I I put the link um to the shared micro mobility web page in the chat. And as of last week. We've just uploaded um The evaluation report all the appendices, and then um you'll see in there is, you know, come laid out our proposed next steps. Now for the program, and that's at the very end of that re of the evaluation report. Take a look at that when you, when you go to the link. Just scroll down past the which wheels go where and the dismount zones, and then you'll start to see all the documents.

[35:07] Great, cool um last question I had was just around pricing. Um. I've not used line before, so I don't know exactly what the pricing looks like in your interviews with people in the area that have used it. Um, what I I think there actually was something in the packet. But around the pricing like is, does the city have any control around what line prices rides at? Or do you just have the ability to offer subsidies in some cases, or to certain people? Probably the latter. So right now it's a dollar to unlock it, scooter, and then it's thirty, seven cents a minute on the ride, and we've heard from folks that it's too expensive, and others that don't seem to mind it. Um, the affordability program um basically cuts that cost in half.

[36:03] Um, so makes it a lot more affordable. Um! But at this point Lyme has to maintain profitability or to continue its services to and so there there is Price Point. I I think they're trying to find they're measuring the demand with the price. And obviously, if the demand goes lower than something else has got to give. But they also have to maintain profitability, otherwise they go out of business fortunately with Lyme Um. They seem to be doing pretty well um globally at this point. Um, so not not so much of a of an issue of going out of business. A lot of these companies, when they first started did go out of business. Companies were at it by other companies, and some, just, you know, stopped work, you know, operating, and like birds on the way out right now, uh, for example, and uh, and so there's a lot of volatility in the um kind of the startup industry, and uh and so now it's starting to settle out, and some of these major players are sticking around and in line with Thankfully, it's been proven to be one of those. But yeah,

[37:10] well, if you continue to hear feedback, you know, if that ramps up as far as expensive, you know, I know the cities being very judicious about how they're approaching the program, having a competitor to Lyme could help, you know, provide benefit to consumers on the pricing in front potentially so. Um, I don't know what it would look like to have a second vendor in the city. But um! They have a lot more control over the situation given that they know they're the only ones allowed. So. Um, maybe something to consider as the program grows. Okay, Thank you very much, man. Uh, Rebecca. Do you have another? Oh, Jennifer, and then Rebecca, and then serve a time. Check. It's four, forty, three. So um Okay, yeah, thanks. So um real quick. I don't know if I miss this Dk: in your presentation that um. Are there any plans to expand the area east? And then I also just wanted to mention it, being in favor of having

[38:19] um like Geo tagged secure parking. I did notice that when I used one down in Denver like I could not leave it on the Sixteenth Street Mall, I had to go down the block, and it was like, Nope, you you cannot leave your scooter there, so I know there are ways that we could, you know, create like, Yeah, you need to bring your scooter over here, and because they are in my neighborhood, it hasn't been too bad. But i'm sure like all of us I've seen like somebody with a wheelchair or a little canvas stroller like that. The sidewalk is now blocked for them. But yeah, I'm curious about the expansion East Don't don't forget that one, too. Thanks.

[39:05] Give me West. No, I mean sorry. I mean East of fifty-five. Oh, because they're allowed East to fifty-five right now. They go all the way out to sixty-three, I think right to the city Such there Probably just isn't a lot of yeah, not on the map, anyhow. Well, maybe i'll try one out there and see what happens, and if it goes to i'll i'll get some operation. I think that It's just the uh, the demand out there. As you get into the less dense areas, the demand goes down, and so they may not be fulfilling, or necessarily there may not be deployment zones out there, because there's not a necessarily um a destination or an origin um in some of those locations. But take a look again, but that's in the border. And uh and yes, we want to move to the mandatory designated parking um, not just in some of our sensitive areas like Pearl Street, Mall and Um, the University Hill area, but also some of these neighborhoods, because that's where a lot of our complaints have come from from a lot of the neighborhoods

[40:07] of people parking on, you know, sidewalk or being left in front of someone's house. Right, Robin. So okay, hope that answers your question, Jennifer. It's nice to see you. Alright? I have a question. Yeah, um of the four moderate the serious injury. Would they all single vehicle? One of them was a Uh. Had a motor vehicle involved. The other three were single on their own good question. Okay, uh, thank you so much. Dk: Thank you very much for your time. We'll see you soon. Okay, Have a good evening, everyone. Thank you again. Thanks. That was great. Thank you. Thanks to K. I want to note uh Kevin has joined us here. Um at the Municipal, so we have uh

[41:01] a full slate of commissioners now. Um on to our next item commission. The Commissioners will recall that a couple of meetings ago we identified fifty thousand dollars an equal past savings that we wanted to reprogram toward Um Boulder Junction activations uh community vitality staff, including Regan Lane. Um, Justin Greenstein. Our special events uh manager, have been working with older transportation connections on a proposal. So we have some from Vpc: I'm: not sure if you want to say anything before we hand it over to them. Um, no, not necessarily. That. Um Btc: Yeah, it's prepared to give a presentation on a series of activations to be held in folder junction in two thousand and twenty-three. So i'm excited for you guys to learn more. I'll hand it over to Emily and lean to introduce themselves. Thank you so much. Um, I don't know if you someone can allow me to share screen so that we can share our presentation.

[42:03] Um! That's you. Can you um like That's me. I don't know how to do that. Um, but thank you for all for asking us to prepare this present presentation, and for allowing us to share this information with you tonight. Um, I. My name is Emily Reddick, and I am the Tdm program manager for Boulder Transportation connections, and i'm joined by my colleague Elaine, Herb who is our sustainable transportation planner. So we'll be sharing this information with you. I love it. Make sure I've got it right mode. Let's see here is that showing up correctly for you. Yet it is okay. Okay. So um again. Um. So thank you for having us join you this evening. Um Boulder transportation connections for those of you who Aren't familiar is Boulders Transportation management organization.

[43:13] We are one of eight Uh. Tmos in Colorado, part of the Dr. Cog region. Um Denver Um regional council of Governments. Um, we serve all their businesses, and, in short, we connect them with um sustainable transportation resources. Um, in addition, um you what is unique to boulder transportation connection is that we administer the eco-pass program in and at both the neighborhood and business ecosystem in Boulder Junction. So we have a connection with the community. We we do outreach, and we have been part of the community for um several years now, so that it's listening, unique position of already being very familiar with um the businesses and residences in the area. Um, what we're gonna share with you tonight is a proposal for five events throughout two thousand and twenty-three. Um we are. We would love to get your feedback. Um! We've taken the feedback that we've um heard so far from this committee. Um. And we also shared this presentation with the Boulder Valley Transportation Coalition Um, which is a committee that includes Um, City of Boulder Community vitality members, transportation members.

[44:26] Um community cycles be cycle via car share and um um line. So many of the partners who would be involved. Um, I ideally in hosting these events and um we were able to incorporate their feedback and um make some changes in in scope and size of some of the events. So, as you can see here. We'll be proposing to bike to uh walk in bike month events um both the winter and summer uh clean air event, and a uh Ev related events, and then also a big celebration in summer. Um! And one of the concepts that we wanted to incorporate was making these fun, but also action oriented, and we wanted to incorporate the transportation options that are available to employees and residences in Boulder Junction. So obviously the bikes, the the lime um scooters.

[45:23] They're not part of the transportation benefits that they're in currently in boulder junction uh the uh eco-pass celebration of of that um availability in for free for residents and employees, and then also the Colorado car share aspect. So, um, we're gonna just dive into each of these events, and this is kind of a thirty thousand put view. Um! So just keep that in mind, and if you have suggestions or uh feedback, we'd love to hear it. So Elaine will talk to you about our first um winter by to work day event. Yeah. So i'm sure. Many of you are familiar that we have been celebrating winter bike to work day in this region for many years, and it's popular with the cyclist kind of There's always some that show up, no matter what there tend to be the more dedicated people.

[46:16] Um, if we're lucky to have good weather, we do get people out. We are considering, maybe looking for um a Bike Home Station for Boulder Junction. There seems to be a lot of, you know, existence and interest already on the morning, and that would be coming up February tenth. So, of course, on something like this, we'll be working closely with our partners. I think many people here know that community cycles does a lot to organize the local events for these, so we would be doing things in conjunction with them, and then also an opportunity to get the partners out for people to recognize. You know community cycles. I can learn more about biking all year round, and how to do more commuting.

[47:06] How be cycle can fit in. You know, Lyme. And hopefully, some other walking and biking organizations would be involved with that. Um. Obviously, we're not quite yet into the details on this. But we'll definitely have more as we get closer. Yeah, thank you, Elaine. Um. So this would be the smallest of the five proposed events, just because, being winter and knowing participation would be somewhat smaller, and that was some of the uh feedback we received from the Bbc Committee. I always say that um. So uh the second event that we're proposing for April timeframe would be in celebration of um and a commitment towards clean air month in May. So this would be a transit oriented event. This the call to action at this event would be to try to make awareness of the eco-pass availability in Boulder Junction, and we also like to make it fun. Um, Our partners at via would love to bring the electric hop and have that available for people to, you know. Get on the hop and um, I don't know if we would take Tours, or if they would just get on and hang out. But um yes, um, so we would, and we would also have other festive um

[48:19] uh pieces available to to attract an audience and and make awareness of this event. Um! That is the second of our proposed events. Our third, Elaine again will. I'll hand it back to her, or to talk about summer back to work. Actually, I'll add on to the out there that um! We've recently had a meeting with Rtd. Who is very interested in joining us with any of the events we do. They're excited to do more outreach and just make sure people are considering getting back on transit. Um, June. Of course we celebrate walk and bike month, and we are again looking at a a summer bike to work day station, or possibly more by home again with so much activity. In the morning we're feeling like. Maybe we don't need to

[49:10] uh compete with that. But um especially because there is a a decent budget for this that there's a lot more We could do with something later on in the day, and there's great proximity, as we all know, to bike paths and and infrastructure in the area, so playing off of that would be fun, and you know it'll just be yet another fun event during the entire month of activities. Thank you. Um sort of the pinnacle event, but not the last event in the series would be a Um Boulder Junction celebration event. So this would be a large um community fun community um focused event. Um, We would include the concepts of live music, food, trucks, beer and wine, garden games tabling. Um. Obviously we still want to have um all of our partners available there to be able to present information and sign people up.

[50:09] Um! This could be a really, you know, not only just to um support the transportation services, but all the businesses in the area. Um, So we could have gift certificates. Um um and giveaways of um for all you know, to revitalize um the businesses in Boulder Junction. So this would be a really um. You know the big event that um we would be marketing and promoting throughout the year. Um at the other events as well. Um! And then last, but not least, um. We did not want to leave out car share, and that um availability and the excitement with all these great um electric vehicle incentives in um, both federally and State and locally. So the last event would be an electric vehicle week celebration. It might not be actually in the electric vehicle, so that week it might be adjacent to that week. However, um we would. And we've

[51:04] we want to partner with our other organizations to potentially have an electric um car show. So um! This could be another exciting draw um, and uh, all the focus of all these events, in in addition to just bring people to to Boulder Junction and creating excitement about about the transit oriented district, and the benefits um the unique benefits that um employees and resident that residents received there. So we um older transportation connection is um part of the boulder chamber, and we have um internal support to make sure that we can um promote these events throughout Boulder Um. So I think it. We can make this a very successful um event series. So, um! With that I will stop sharing um open it up for questions or discussion

[52:10] to start a software I think this is great super exciting. My question is, is fifty thousand dollars. Not um. I'm so sorry it's a little hard to hear. It is. Is fifty thousand dollars going to be enough for all these. Well, we would scale the events to the budget that we have. Um, So you know that we've talked about that a lot internally, and also with Um, our city of older um partners. And basically we will Um, We're going to scale to the budget that that is available to us. I think it's great, I mean, from my point of view, we've been um looking forward to these, you know, being able to do events like this for years to come. So say, uh, you know. Let's let's allocate the budget necessary to get it done right.

[53:05] Maybe this one one sign or two. I about the promotion of the local businesses, you know, including that and all these activities. I think that's um. It's a great partnership. Yeah, we'd love to include them in every, you know. Obviously we want them to be sponsors of the um like to work day and involved. And um, you know anytime we're doing these events, and we we can have giveaways, as you know, part of our promotion of the event. We want to use that those local businesses. Um, what gift cards or um other promotion towards them? Because, yeah, it's been a rough couple of years with the pandemic. So we want to bring business back to Uh Boulder Junction. Thank you. Thank you. The other Hi. So it's. Yeah. So I was like familiar with this because we talked about it. Um, I guess my comment is just that. Um, i'm asking you guys to please remind me of this uh like in February.

[54:14] Well, actually please remind me of winter in January, and please remind me of summer in February, because uh the summer is months and months of planning which starts in February. The um. The winter is not so much planning. I'll start at mid December. It's not as much planning, but it's planning. But But if we're doing a big event in on bike to work day. Um, yeah, remind me of it. So I don't schedule other things because things tend to get scheduled So and so we've historically had, you know, periodic planning meetings, so we would want to be included on those. So that yeah, we're at the table as as that planning process is happening

[55:07] any other questions or comments. Oh, Robin, I I I don't want to belabor the point now, but i'd be kind of curious to see how you got to those exact estimates on cost I share Chris's concern also that it seems kind of low they all sound really exciting, and I want to get all of them. I was just kind of curious of how we got this break down, so I don't think that this exact moment. But at some time in the future you could present that I would be interested. Yeah. So one thing i'll share is that for the pinnacle event we cause we've been working with the city of Boulder Community vitality team. We've been in discussion with them about. You know the theme and concept and how we would potentially um prepare a proposal for these events, and so they were able to share with us. You know, a similar sized event, Um! Of of what we would be planning so for that pinnacle event, I feel pretty confident that we would be that budget would um be what we would need in order to um

[56:09] the the funds that we need to be allocated for that size event the other events Um, we do have experience. Btc: has um organized quite a few bike to work day events. And um, we've worked with other organizations um as well. So you know there, if there was an opportunity for additional funding, and that's something Btc: could potentially um, you know, look for throughout the year. Um! But if there was a potential, we can just increase the scope of what we're doing. But um! A lot of the um. Our partners would be volunteering their time, because, you know, boulder uh when it's be cycle or car share, or Lyme, or via we're not usually paying those partners to be there. Um! So a lot. Some of the funding would go towards promotion. Um and marketing, because that's one of the bigger um hurdles and getting the word out there to the residents. And specifically um I feel like with businesses. We usually have a pretty solid contact at each business, but with residences. We're normally on boarding people for eco-pass but you know actually getting the word out to individual residents, can be different. So we've actually been talking with be cycle about some different um

[57:22] electronic methods that we want to try out for this upcoming year to increase our presence and increase the awareness. So um yeah, I think. Um, I I do, I I I understand the the concerns. Um, We we have those as well, but we've looked through, and and if um we were happy to prepare um, I assume there's a ton of due diligence that went into it. I was just curious, actually, of how you come up with those metrics I want, and I I want to make sure it was so. Is Kevin's comments uh, not mine, I guess, but I also, you know, I want to be really clear with the Commissioners of making sure that you remember that we're we allocating monies that were budgeted for another purpose. And so the the more that we

[58:11] suggest we'd want to spend, and the more it turns into Chris Jones looking for a new job. Uh, then. Um! So uh, fifty thousand dollars is our our typical contracting spending limit where we have some discretion to reprogram dollars to do something like this. Um! And we also, as um Emily was suggesting, you know, thinking about the Boulder Creek festival and Parks and Rex sponsorship of that is, they spend less than fifty thousand dollars. I think they are in the thirty thousand dollar range, but the the event uh planners have the the capacity to get sponsors. So I think, Kevin from element or you're not. Yeah, you haven't this uh suggests that maybe they want to sponsor uh the uh, all right. So yeah, we're not. We are certainly open to the Btc team uh securing outside sponsors, whether it's cash or in kind. And Emily did uh speak to that. So I think that that these can be really uh um! A great first starts

[59:12] um, and then in the future we can certainly approach you all, and city council, and actually programming uh resources on an ongoing basis specifically for that. And if it's determined that we need more money Uh, we would do that through the regular budgeting process. Yeah, and i'll just chime in to say we. You know Btc's been around for a while, and and we've been nimble in very many ways. So we have in our past done outreach events, and maybe they're a little smaller. But you know we we've known how to do some things with virtually no budget. So, having a budget as Emily's indicated, it allows us to do a little more marketing to offer more incentives that help get people in, and and would,

[60:02] I think, create a more successful event. But we wound up in August, going ahead and doing something with partners, and you know it wasn't huge. But actually everybody walked away saying that was a success. So it it. It's great to see that. And just when we can bring all these people together to to offer a range of options and information. People are often really interested, because maybe they're familiar with they. They've done the B cycle. They hadn't tried line they had signed up for their car share. So there's almost always something that people want to learn more about show. Intel is always more fun, Alright, I think. Thank you, Emily. Thank you again.

[61:02] Thanks so much. All right. Moving forward in our better staff yet. Thank you so much Btc: we'll look forward to um work out. Um! We are working on the development of our twenty twenty-three work plan internally right now. So this is just a heads up to uh the Commission will be presenting our twenty twenty uh three uh work plan more formally at the January meeting. Um, but just wanted to give you all a heads up of some things that we're contemplating that uh have relevance for the Boulder Junction area. Um, And wanna just remind you all, We have three primary ongoing work divisions in community vitality. Um. This is a cultural vibrancy includes our arts and culture work group and our special events work group, and they'll be very much involved in this conversation around activations in the Boulder Junction area. Um I our. We also have our district vitality. Our district management uh work. And so Reagan and Lane are very much involved in that. Um. And so they're focusing on our capital project uh the way finding and branding work. And so we're hoping to to make some Progress on the physical Implementation of the district branding and we finding in two thousand and twenty-three. So it'd be a major work area, and also partnering really closely with planning and development services on the team app

[62:21] uh or both. Boulder Junction base two. Um! Is how it's been really branded. So I know that's a huge priority for the mission and twenty-two that work is beginning. Um! There's been a number of presentations to city council. Um. So we'll look forward to to partnering with um uh the planning development uh services apartment in that work that will translate into hopefully some more progress in some of the other focus areas that you all have been communicating over the past years, including a a Ten year plan um and an overall capital plan uh moving forward. So we're wanting to really uh tap into that planning effort to um envision how we might propose. Um, Our long term uh spending plan is what that will be for the existing district, and how maybe

[63:12] um our district might have balls. Um as planning development services, envisioning what can happen? Um, on the east side of the road tracks um in the Boulder Junction area. So where to come? But uh, just want you all to get kind of a preview on that. And then, of course, in our access for all our our parking and access uh uh work division. We're going to continue to work on our Amps implementation, Sam Bromber, who came to and at the last meeting to share with share all of her. We're we're gonna um, really uh make sure we've done a good job on cleaning up all of the data in the Boulder Junction area, so that in two thousand and twenty-three. We will have some specific recommendations uh for performance based pricing um and residential access management um around the Boulder Junction area um later in two thousand and twenty-three.

[64:03] Um let's see. And then last, but not least, it you know It's interesting that our city wants to be involved in um uh events in the Folder Junction area. We certainly want to be working with transportation mobility and in um uh highly encouraging uh Rtd. And all the ways that we can to restore service in Boulder Junction, so that we can uh get transit back. It's one thing you know. It's lovely. We can provide equal passes to everybody. But if there is no meaningful service, then it doesn't really um uh uh mean a lot for what we're trying to do, and shifting trips that said, we have contracted with um fox tuttle um uh transportation uh uh engineering and and uh a long time uh on call contractor for the city to do another analysis of trip generation, the Boulder Junction area. They are doing their data collection right now, and so in two thousand and twenty-three um, we'll be um able to bring the results of that work and and provide an update on where we're at in our trip um generation uh goals for the the district, which will then translate into a conversation about what more can we be doing to uh, uh, meet our goals?

[65:19] So I imagine, especially with our Td being where we're at. We're not gonna um. We're not going to be at a space where we're. We're meeting our trip generation or to production goals in the district. So that's kind of the high level um uh elevator speech long uh it's a very tall elevator um of the the twenty twenty-three work plan, as it applies to uh Polar Junction, but wanted to just give you all a heads up at least to entertain any questions, or we can move forward on the next item. All right, hearing none. Um, we are. Let's see in your packet. We have the Commissioner recruitment questions for um, both commissions. There are two questions that we currently pose to folks who are interested in volunteering to to be on the Boulder Junction commissions, and a bit of a Commissioner feedback on whether or not we, they're the right questions, or they should be tweaked, or we need to add more questions, or uh rewrite them entirely.

[66:22] Um, so really would be glad to open up, I think. And I apologize. Here we will be getting page numbers on packets. That's the very last page. Um as the current questions, and we would love to hear feedback from on in the minutes. Thank you, Robin. Yeah, this is a process question. Is it proper protocol to put comments into the chat? Or is that not something that we're allowed to do?

[67:11] That is a really good question. Um. I would prefer. I think we prefer for them to be verbal. Um, just because no, that I yeah. If If there was somebody who was watching this meeting later, i'm not sure that those types of comments you we could see all of yours, Robin. It did pop up on the screen. So I think that does get reporter, but the longer they are, then the less um books are able to see if they, if they want to review this reporting later, so Herbal is certainly preferred, thanks to his hand us up. But, Sue um, I guess i'm wondering. Let me get back to it. Um,

[68:02] if there can be not sure how to word this, but it would be interested to see people's ideas on reducing parking, or reducing cars instead of just better meet the I mean. I I agree with me and the multi-modal access. But um! But I would like to see how people think we can get people to drive less, which is kind of the flip side of that, I guess. What I'm getting at is, you know. How do we get people to actually use these garages less so? Does that make sense? Sure It can take a look. It sounds like it. You're suggesting a a tweet to the first question, not a yeah, not a new question or something. But you know, if if um i'm thinking more of the answers. But if there was, if people were saying, well, we should, you know,

[69:05] limit the amount parking with each resident, which I think we do. But um, or maybe somehow reward people for not having a car in some way. That would be good. So I guess I just wanna make sure that we get a nod of of three commissioners from both commissions on that direction before we start It's i'm seeing lots of lots of lots. Um! So it's we. We're all We're all good. Everyone agrees with making a a revision that Thank you. I have my hand raised. You can see it, but i'll jump in um that I wanted to a little bit in line with what she was saying. Maybe I wanted to. It's sort of saying, multi modal. Get that language exactly right. Multimodal access needs.

[70:01] I just feel like that. This is, and Maybe some of the Newer commissioners would have thoughts on this feel like That's very jargon. If I had no idea about this, I would just be like so, whatever the they would just fly by. So I wonder if we can say sustainable transportation goals, and then name transit bicycle walking. Um! So that that, like. If we want to invite more members of the public in, then people could read that and be like Oh, i'm actually interested in that thing. So I would request that, or suggest that change in both for both commissions In the first question is, that is it clear what i'm suggesting? I see some nodding there to me and everybody in agreement with that suggestion. Great

[71:01] Rebecca, you've had your hand up for a while. Yeah, no worries Um. The first is the point of of language. Um! Is that, should we be asking about those commission to each commission, it's I don't know. I quite understand it. Should we ask the the same questions. I mean, Yeah, Well, no question. Five actually has. How can the Parking Commission and the Tdm. Commission better meet this when it is an application for Tdm: so you know Um, not. Everybody applies to both some of us up there. But um, you know that that might be a little bit confusingly confusing. If somebody is applying to one, they might not have a clue about the other one. Um! But then my other one would be in addition of a question, and that would be more for them to outline what their experience with the district is

[72:07] so beyond um, you know, just being a resident or employee, like, you know. Have they visited the you know? Have they walked through? Have they gone to restaurants or businesses? Um, really just I I want to make sure that people who are making decisions about the district. Ashley, have some experience with it. I'm seeing some nodding. Um. You can certainly take a shot at at framing a question. Um along those lines. Thank you. Have you taken the bus to the district? Because if you answer yes in the last year. That's probably not quite right,

[73:05] very slow. There is still a little, almost alright, any other feedback on questions or suggestions for additional questions uh hearing none. Um last item from staff is a follow up on um matters. From the last meeting uh Commissioner to Michelle, had asked about um installing no idling signs. I thought up with our climate initiatives team typically. Uh, if we were to have an idling policy would be led by um. The climate initiatives, folks in the Environment

[74:02] Environmental Advisory Board City does not currently have a no idling policy. A number of cities in the State do But Boulder does not. Um, and there are a variety of reasons why, and there's a broad spectrum. Some of the cities do have a no Iling policy at You know no more that you know thirty seconds. If your vehicles Id line for longer than thirty seconds. You're in violation. Some is upwards of fifteen minutes. Um! And so I. I don't know that it it's currently a priority for our climate initiatives, and then the other element is uh uh concerned about signage and enforcement, and the amount of greenhouse gas uh emissions that would be associated with the actual implementation of uh a policy to discourage folks from idling without the the um enforcement teeth to really actually make the the difference that we need to make up for the the environmental impact of uh, a new policy throughout the city. So that's currently what I heard back. I promise that I would uh follow up on that item. Um! And so we don't have any. No iling signs um in the city, or an idling policy to to sign to

[75:19] um uh, and I just wanted to to follow up on that establishing a no idling. The actual installation of uh fabrication and installation of signs throughout the city. Um does take uh. It is a a financial resource and a production fabrication. Uh, you know we'd have. We'd hire folks to go out and big holes and and um put signs in um that it's not a small beat. Um! We we do have a signed program at the city. Uh, and so that would be associated with our transportation mobility, sign shop and the work that they do, adding a whole new realm of signage responsibility for the public works team.

[76:14] Um! That's one consideration as to why it's not currently a high priority for climate initiatives. It doesn't mean that the they that might not um change. But currently it's not something that they are um pursuing. Is it? Is there an option to not. I mean you could have a policy city. Why, that you could maybe have a specific like enforcement or policy for certain districts. You know we already have parking enforcement and Folder Junction. Right? So there's There's one avenue there. Um! There are existing fine polls for the Parking Times like pay to park signs right? So that would be one way to avoid some of the digging and and new metal for for the pull aspect right? The sign itself would have to be made

[77:07] sure. I understand your interests, and I would suggest that maybe a better strategy would be to implement electric vehicle parking only, or something like that, but it's maybe a bit more. It It achieves the end that you'd like the only folks that would be barking. There would not be um uh producing emissions uh without another. You know realm of enforcement need That's really subjective, I mean, you know, depending on the amount of time that um they we would attach to such a policy. Then we'd have another enforcement layer. How do we? How we determine? How long, or do you have somebody standing around for ten minutes um to see if a vehicle has been idling. And what's the utility in that for overall? Um enforcement program? Versus Are there other strategies to get to that same end where cities that do have these, I only policies actually don't do a There, there's not a ton of enforcement. Um, because because it is challenging to catch somebody in the act, and it's more of an education

[78:07] component of it's against the law. Um don't do it um, and people still do it. Um! And so the producing a lot of signs not necessarily get the getting the behavior that you want, anyway. And then it's just one more layer of frustration as opposed to is there a different way? We could manage the curve that reduces the the issue in the problem areas. I think you know Meredith Street, in Boulder Junction. As an example of that, you can only park on that shared street. If you're an electric vehicle. Otherwise you're partners across, and so maybe it's something that we would want to explore. Um in a problem area is uh installing electric vehicle, charging station and making it so that only electric be able to park there. I think that's something that climate initiatives would definitely probably be very interested in pursuing.

[79:04] Is this just this one street that Rebecca's been complaining about forever where cars are right in front of people's windows, I I mean that that's my primary thing. But I think for the whole neighborhood and for the whole city, we should discourage idling right and and and for the most part people just aren't thinking through it. It's not like they're being jerks to be jerks. They're just really not thinking outside their windows about what's going on. Yeah, Because I almost feel like I mean, I feel like if I live there. I just put up the sign of the post. Somebody did that. The city took it down. Did it work? Well, it was up. Um, possibly

[80:06] um. So if I can jump in, I'm sorry I have my hand up, but I think I have my little Colorado gift day background. It makes it really hard to see. I have a hand up, but i'm i'm not sure uh press or city staff. If or and other commissioners. What everybody would feel about this is to encourage the city to consider anti idling and to offer this to the Climate group. I mean, maybe i'll just do that as a citizen. I don't know if how complicated or meaningful, or if it's even in our scope for us as commissioners to advocate. But idling has in in general, not just in our district, but throughout the city has a huge, environmental and climate impact and local air, quality and health equity concerns. So. Um i'm a little surprised to hear that Boulder doesn't have an anti idling policy. I appreciate the points about Enforcement. I I hear you on that

[81:08] at the same time I think it's a and a climate at transportation, climate, air, quality, health, equity, strategy, that sure. And I certainly would never that discourage you from um as a you know, as a boulder resident from pursuing those um ideals, and I would say that that um as eh, district, I totally can appreciate the the suggested work item of Maybe there's a district related policy um that we could explore as part of uh the health and well being of the district. But I, you know I want to also right size uh uh the

[82:01] plan for our teams and and tackle what we can tackle, and would also want to think creatively, and would much rather I feel much more helpful to try to partner with time and initiatives on uh electric field of parking so mitigate, maybe a a a hotspot issue. Um! While there are the the broader topic gets addressed city wide. Um, unless they're wearing a spot where we're not making progress there, and and the commissions of of all of our general improvement districts uh feel like this should be a a priority. Then um, we can do that, and we're planning over time. I just post a link to a document of all the places where these exist, and you know, and I don't want to to come across this, but I would say that you know the best way to reduce idling is for Eliminate the car trip altogether. Um, and so it's. It's the you know. How. Where do we want to spend our time and energy of of trying to reduce emissions from folks who are already in the uh the vehicles? Or do we want to spend our time and resources on um things that prevent the trip? In the first place.

[83:23] Uh well, Chris, you know I I'd rather just eliminate those parking spots. Um with the ev option. What would be the not stop there? Um climate initiatives has an electric vehicle charging station program. Um, And so uh, I can certainly follow up with Matt Layerman um in climate initiatives and see if there's an opportunity to maybe focus on uh additional installs and Boulder Junction, and if there are opportunities for that targeting them um in front of the nickel flats. Okay, Um, I will say that there is one right across the street, so I don't know if that will affect it. However, it is very well utilized, so

[84:07] it's now all right. Um, Elaine, you've had your hand up. But what happened to you on this topic? Yeah, I wasn't sure. If if I I was about to weigh in, and not so raise my hand. But I just wanted to concur. I you know this is a huge, huge pet peeve of mine. I'm primarily a walker around town, and I have previously done work like picking up kids at schools, and it feels to me like if Boulder Junction could be that progressive entity within the city. That said, We need this. I think it's really important, because parents are even idling at schools with little kids who are the most susceptible, and

[85:03] not having an ordinance, keeps people from recognizing what an issue it is, and it's a vehicle, a standard contemporary vehicle at ten seconds of idling. Beyond that they're better off turning off an engine, you know. I'd love to see us put in a two minute ordinance ten ten and twenty seconds. Even thirty is kind of low, but you know two two minutes it's recognizable. I have approached individuals. I've gotten a mixed results sometimes. You know, young people that just weren't thinking are like, Wow! I didn't realize that. Thank you, you know. And then there's the others. But when there's some teeth behind it, you know, because we're not all going to be driving Evs in the next five years. Even so, you know something that helps people recognize why

[86:00] you have to be more thoughtful when you were driving. Just, I, I think, is a meaningful motion, so to try and share that. Thank you. Thanks. Um. There's no more discussion on this topic. We can move on to management, you know, and so i'll end it to you to uh leave us through the rest of our time together. Oh, is it me or Kevin? Well, it's some you you're welcome to pass the gavel to come and continue facing out here, so I appreciate you doing all right. Let me go back. Uh: okay. Now, me as next Commission meeting is the four Pm. On Wednesday, January eighteenth. Sounds good, and I guess motion to adjourn. Wait! Sorry. Hold on, sweet

[87:00] Ryan. Thank you. Um! Are we doing counsel? Oh, that's a really great question. So um given that we are at the mid term for the council that was elected um last year. They are not asking for letters from any boards and commissions in advance of their um midterm or treat. So at this point. Uh no letters are being solicited from any. Okay, thanks. Um. Is there any opinion from other commissioners on whether our priorities that are listed in the packet should change be added to be, have anything removed as far as before we go into next year. You know I I had one coming up that I I not necessarily the the priorities. So I think, uh, like Chris mentioned the items on the work plan. I think they they're pretty well aligned. But you one thing that has been on there for a few years now that we haven't really packed up assembly. Um,

[88:09] The Ten Year Plan and the capital Improvements plan, and you know, I think, without you know, maybe picking a meeting, or you know, some out of present for that in advance. It's just that. It's kind of big item that's gonna remain there for a few more years before we get to it. So maybe just the um request and my part of the that that's on the radar, and that we can uh make some progress there next year makes sense. That's it for me. Sorry, thanks to take it away. Nope. I see along those. So the motion to adjourn

[89:01] i'll make a motion. I'll second. Okay, great. Thank you. Guys to see you on. I believe there's January. Thanks very much. Everybody Happy holidays.