August 16, 2023 — Beverage Licensing Authority Regular Meeting

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[0:00] Okay. Recording started and let me know that. He will not be in this meeting, due to an emergency. So remember, car vice your car is gonna care for us today. Yeah, that's mine. Alright, thanks. Are we ready to call the meeting to order? Okay, so then, I'll call the meeting to order of the beverage. Licensing authority. At 303 Pm. perfect. Thank you. All. This first on our agenda is instructions for virtual hearing and Rosa decorum. So I'll share my screen. Hmm. perfect. The city has engaged with community members to co-create a vision for productive, meaningful and inclusive civic conversations.

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[2:05] I also will let everyone know. That there is a QA. Option available, that is, for that's to be used for technical difficulties. Only. And if you are in present in the meeting and you're on the agenda, I'll ask you to raise your hand before your meeting. Your agenda is called. and then I will promote you so that you can turn your camera on it and unmute yourself, so don't worry about that. And then next on our agenda is roll call. If you'll just speak your presence of the loud. Remember Aslan. member Absalom present. Vice-chair! Vice Chair, our President. member, Roberts. Member Roberts, present. Thank you. And Member Galvano, is asked of today.

[3:00] Next we have approval beverage licensing authority. Minutes from July nineteenth, 2023. Member option will make a motion to approve the minutes. and Ricard will second that motion on David. Remember, I remember Absalom, I Member Roberts. Aye. thank you. Next we have hearing agenda issues from licensing clerk. There's just one thing I'll call to your attention. Christiana Mccormick, Our attorney advised me that. We should probably hear item number 7, which is a change of location for Noolito's before their renewal hearing, which is agenda, item number 6. So I will call agenda, item number 7 first.

[4:03] and then we'll hear their renewal, hearing agenda number 6. Just a little switch over there. Next is matters from Boulder, police Department. Officer Denning did let us know that he was unable to to attend this meeting. So he didn't have any updates for you all for today. You just let us know that he won't be here and agenda. Item number 3 is managed by responsible association of retailers. I don't see anyone from RAR. In the attendees list. So if Nathan or someone jumps in. Then I'll let you guys know. Next is agenda. Item, 4. General public comments for future beverage, licensing authority hearings. If you are here to make general public comment about something that is not on the agenda. Please raise your hand.

[5:04] Mister Stephen. I see that your hand is raised if you could lower it. Thank you. And if you're here to make general public comment, go ahead and raise your hand. or something that's not on the agenda. and I do see that Mr. Savinghouse is handling, so I will allow. Oh, you took it down. Okay, if anyone is here to make general public comment for future beverage. Licensing authority here and go ahead and raise your hand. I don't. Mister Steven. I unmuted you just in case you had something for general public comment. Yeah, II do thank you so much. Again, Adam Steven. I'm a lawyer over here, Dylan Dill. It was my understanding that a matter item 12, a 5 would have been called up to clarify the correct name of the applicant and I don't know if that was gonna happen before or after the public hearings. So I was just wanted to make sure that that occurred.

[6:10] And you sign agenda. Item 12. Well, 8, 5. Okay. The license is CST, Metro, Llc. Should be circle case stores, ink. Make sure that correction gets made and I was told by my partner that that was gonna happen in today's meeting of the bla. It was gonna get pulled up initially, before the public hearings. And I don't wanna step on your toes. Just wanna make sure that gets in this proceeding. No problem. There's another. Yeah, those are all very similar. So it was really a challenge to get their own. Correct. Yeah, there's one more typo in those boundary hearings as well. So I'll address those as we get to that. Okay.

[7:00] fantastic. Thank you so much, Caitlin, I will lower my hand alright. If anyone else has anything for public comment. Go ahead and raise your hand alright, seeing none. I'll move on to agenda. Item 5, which is public hearing and consideration of an application filed on July third, 2,023, from Vitamin Cottage, natural food markets, Dva. Natural groceries, 2, 6, 8, 5, Pearl Street, Boulder, Colorado, 802, Kemper, Eastlink, Co-president Zephyr, Eastleigh, Co-president Heather, Eastley Vice President and secretary and Michael Calicori, manager of record, with the premise business mailing address for renewal of the fermented moth beverage and wine retail off from a slicker license. If you are here on behalf of this application, go ahead and raise your hand, and I will get you.

[8:05] Okay. We have Mr. Valakori coming in Mr. Bill Cory, if you can turn your camera on and unmute yourself. Hello! Is anyone else going to be appearing with you for this matter? Possibly from Dill and Dill. I believe Bob Dyl potentially but from the company I think it'd be just be both myself for right now. Okay. And, Mister Dolope, you would like to be promoted to Panelist so that you can turn your camera on and speak. Go ahead and raise your hand for me.

[9:07] Just go ahead and raise your hand. Knowledge it! Mr. Palquer, I will go ahead and square you in, and then I'll hand it over to chair. Have you just raise your right hand for me? Do you swear or affirm that the testimony are about to give in front of the beverage. Licensing authority is true. I swear, yes. and use where or affirm that the premises been posted for at least 10 days prior to today's week. I swear alright, I am so good. alright perfect! So I'll read in the hearing procedures. This is a public hearing before the beverage. Licensing authority of the city of Boulder to determine whether or not the application of Vitamin College, Natural Food Markets, Incorporated doing business as natural Grocers, located at 2685 Pearl Street, boulder. Colorado, 8 0 3 0 2

[10:07] a for a renewal. Of a fermented malt beverage and wine retail off premise, type, liquor, license. If it should be granted or denied. This hearing is conducted pursuant to the laws of the State of Colorado, and the rules of the beverage licensing authority of the city of Boulder. The purpose of this hearing is to receive information, data, and testimony by interested parties, in order to enable this authority to make the findings, and to reach conclusions required to be made by State law as to whether or not the license shall be renewed. Interested parties of the applicant residents of the neighborhood, affected by the licenses previously determined by the authority, and the owners and managers of a business located within the neighborhood. This hearing shall be limited to the question of whether there is good cause not to renew the license as set forth in the notice of hearing. Which

[11:01] was dated boom! Boom! Apologies like. find what that date was. Dated July third, 2023. A a record is via these proceedings. Those who desire to be her desire to be heard, shall identify themselves by staying their names, spelling their last name, and staying a pertinent address. They should also be sworn in by the Board Secretary. Before we do that, though, I wanna ask the authority members if anyone has a conflict of interest in this item, or if you have any ex parte contacts regarding this item that you wish to disclose. Member car no number, Absalom, no member. Roberts. Now. okay, are there any interested parties present, or persons who want to act as witnesses.

[12:06] or any members of the general public who's just my comment. Nope, no hands are okay. So then are you ready to proceed? I'm sorry. My name is Robert Dale. I'm having trouble connecting and communicating. Can you hear me? Yes, sir. Okay. Finally. Thank you. As I stated, I'm the attorney for natural grocers my address is 4 50 by Sherman Street. Denver. 80203, and I'll be assisting Michael Pedigory in this matter. Perfect, you may proceed. Thank you, Michael. We state your name for the record.

[13:01] Michael Calla Corey. That's P. As in Peter ELLI. CORI. And are you the manager of the National Store? 2685 Pearl Street? That is correct. How long have you been the manager for about 8 years. and you've seen the documents and the indication that the store the company failed to file the proper renewal of the liquor license in a timely fashion. That's correct. I've seen that is that particular task duty, something that maybe your responsibility or is that it corporate headquarters the corporate headquarters does handle the the payment for all licenses.

[14:06] I am responsible for this location, and I do accept responsibility for our licenses here. I did notify natural grocers corporate of of the time to get the license and that actually goes back to this last February, I mean, II know they tried to reach out to the city of Boulder at that time, but because I'm not involved with that process. I'm unaware of what happened what transpired after that until the the notice that I most recently received about a month ago early July. Okay. In any event, as it relates training of your employees, has that heard since this matter came to retention? I'm sorry. Can you please repeat that.

[15:00] Have, do you cause your employees to be tips trained as required by the city in connection with Newell? That's correct. All employees that have been employed here more than 90 days have been tips trained. And then we do that on location. Actually, in this, in this building? In addition to that, natural grocers has an online training course. That we do. In addition to the tips, training and every employee, no matter what their job title completes that at the time of hiring as well. And who does that training? Is it a lady named Tammy Bender. That's correct. Yeah, she is state certified. With that process. And she does work from our our corporate office. And is the training, basically a 4 h class. the employees are required to participate in.

[16:03] Yes, that's correct about yeah. How can you ensure the the authority that the renewal will be filed on time next year as it becomes due. Yeah. I have received confirmation from other employees at our corporate. Ho! Office. For electronic reminders. And instead of the tasking on to one person, multiple people at our home office. We'll be taking on that responsibility to make sure everything is filed, and in a timely manner. Okay. would you like tell the licensing authority anything else about this? A set of circumstances that led to our hearing. Oh, II apologize for for the inconvenience and the time it takes to get these things resolved I'll do a better job from the store level here, working with our corporate office. To make sure this type of thing does not happen again.

[17:02] Alright. thank you, Michael, I don't have any further questions. Mister Dolby would have been also recording your sorry I did. You didn't catch what you said, Caitlin. I just? Asked Mr. Delico. Record his appearance for it. So it's on the record. Oh, sorry my name is Robert Dill. of Attorney Number 5, 7, 2 5. Address is 4 55, Sherman Street, Denver. 80203, representing natural grocers. Thank you, Mr. Dill. did you get that Caitlin? Perfect? Thank you. Okay? So now I will open this up for authority. Deliberations.

[18:08] I mean, II the only question I have for you, Mr. Pella Corey is. I'm just what were the set of circumstances around us missing this date? I'm just II don't know that I understood what would the circumstances were. I believe it's just the with the the timing in which the city received payment for our renewal of our existing license. And I believe they were late in that process, I was explained to me. Caitlin, is there anything around the timing on when that was submitted? Payment wise on a date I'm going to defer to because I did not take this application. Hello, kristen, Chang's licensing manager.

[19:00] I will have to do a little bit of digging to get the exact dates of application, but I can tell you that the entire renewal application was submitted. Past to put the license expiration date. It wasn't just an issue with the payment. But I'll have to look and see what those dates for. Exactly. Okay. So it sounds like the actual renewal paperwork was behind the date. That's correct. So Mr. Palacory, was there a reason behind that? Well, I can't say for certain. I have email, just history. I'm going back to February of 2023, sending reminders about that and again, I don't have all the dates available to me. I believe. The license would have been up in in May. I have, or May fifth, I believe, and then I have a receipt date from the liquor enforcement Division, dated May thirtieth of 2023. But a a lot of those other details I do not have available to myself.

[20:12] Okay, I don't have any other questions. The the application that tips cards look pretty bulletproof. You guys are a lot of people handling alcohol there, big staff on tip string, so that'll look good to me. I didn't have any other questions. Thank you. I had one question Mr. Pelli. Just for next year. What have you done to prevent this from happening again? If you put some some things into place. Yes, yeah, absolutely. So not only working with the Treasury specialists, which is the person that does the actual filing. I've included our Operations department from our Home office also be involved in that process. So again, there would be the ones that are submitting it. But not just putting the responsibility onto one person but multiple people. And then from here myself at at the store level, I'll be including multiple other people with my communication with our corporate office a as well, I understand turnover can happen, and other things can can come up but I will do a better job at communicating to the to a larger number of people that

[21:17] would work with some of the other people, such as our Treasury specialists, to make sure. These get it in a timely manner. Thank you, Mr. Valgori. Umhm, you're welcome. Was there anything else from any other members of the authority? No. okay, do we have Is there any motions? I'll make a motion to accept. It sounds like an oversight with the Home Office and the local store, and sounds like Mr. Paul Cory did try and attempt to not let this happen.

[22:02] So that's a motion to approve the renewal. A motion to approve. Yes. Oh, I think I said, accept, yes, approve. Member Absalon will second. Okay. All in favor. Member Carr. Aye. we're Epsilon, I, Member Roberts. Aye. alright. So moved, your renewals approved. Thank you very much. I appreciate all your time. Thank you both. Thank you very much. You bye bye. Next we have agenda. Item 7. So I'm skipping number 6, and I'm going to 7, and we'll come back to that agenda. Item 7 is public hearing and consideration of an application found on May 20, sixth, 2023, for noble litos, Llc. Dba. Nobleitos.

[23:05] 1 8 0 5 29 Street Suite, 1 138 Boulder, Colorado, 8,301 Milton, Colbert, Navas, 90% owner and registered mana manager and Dora Gonzales, 10% owner and with a prize businessman address for a change of location of a hotel restaurant liquor license. I see that Milton is here. and, Mr. Glover, if you'll just unmute yourself and turn your camera on. Yes, give me 1 s. I'm working on a new computer. So it's kinda hard to. Is anyone else gonna be joining you today. No, just myself. Okay, I'll just get you sworn in here if you'll raise your right hand.

[24:03] Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give before the beverage. Licensing authority is true. And do you swear? Or from that the premise has been posted 10 days prior to today's hearing? Yes. okay. thank you, Mr. Guevara. So this is a public hearing before the beverage. Licensing authority of the city of Boulder to determine whether or not the application of Lc. Doing business has no police for a hotel, restaurant type, liquor, license, renewal, should be granted or denied. This hearing is conducted pursuant to the laws of the State of Colorado and the rules of the beverage licensing authority of the city of Boulder. The purpose of this hearing is to receive information. data, and testimony by interested parties, in order to enable this authority to make findings, reach the conclusions required to be made by State law as to whether or not the license shall be renewed. Interested parties with the applicant residents of the neighborhood, affected by the license as previously determined by the authority.

[25:09] and the owners and managers of a business located within the neighborhood. This hearing shall be limited to the question of whether there is good cause not to renew the license as set forth in the notice of hearing, which was dated on July 30, first, 2023. A record is being made at these proceedings, and those who desire to be heard shall identify themselves by seeing their names, spelling of their last name, and staying their personal, pertinent address. They shall also be sworn in by the Board Secretary. Does anyone on the authority have a conflict of interest for this item, or any ex parte contacts regarding this item member car. No. remember Absalom. No. I'm a Roberts. No. Okay. And are there any interested parties or persons present who want to ex witnesses

[26:04] being no hands raised. you know. Hands raised. Any members of the general public who wish to supply comment. No, handrates. Okay, perfect before. Mr. Guevara, we have you proceed. I see that christianity, you have your hand raised. Yes, thank you. I just wanted to note. I think you were reading the script for the renewal we were going to switch and do the change of location first, and then the renewal. So I wanted to mention that that we're we should do the change of location first. Okay, to be clear. Is there another script for the change of location. II don't think it's necessary to do. I just wanna make it clear that we should address the change of location first and then address the renewal afterwards. Okay, perfect. So we will address, yeah, the change of location first, and then the the original. After that. Thank you.

[27:07] Alright, Mr. Guevara, you may proceed. Yeah. So we're we're we're trying to move into. we're already into it. A location inside the 29 Stream Mall, the current location we were. Can you hear me? Yes. alright cool. So we we were in the Via Diagnosta, which is currently half of it's been demolished, and we decided that it was time for us to move out of the the old location, just because of all the construction that was going on. It was gonna cost a lot of traffic. We were gonna lose a lot of customers. And then we were probably gonna go out of business. If we didn't actually make a change to move into a different location, you know, like we, we slowly lost a lot of customers doing the transition when the building was lost. And then eventually, we thought that we were gonna go out of business. So we decided to move into this new location. That's gonna be right in front of 28. It's gonna create more

[28:04] more businesses for us. And then, you know, that was the whole idea. Why, we wanted to switch over from one location to another. Okay. does anyone from the board have any questions from Circlebar? Yeah, Mr. Rivera, this is my gosh on bla I'm looking at a a letter here in the packet from Michaan, cook, and it's dated April seventeenth. Talking about asking you about your change location. I'm just I you did respond and you did say that you had all these things in place during this. So I'm just wondering around the timeline around. Why did we not see this change of location earlier? It's because we were trying to wait for the lease to be signed on these location before we can submit it.

[29:01] And then we we were on the talks of the we were talking with 20 Ninth Street Mall, and it took about 6 months to finalize the details for for us to move in. So I didn't want to submit anything before we actually sign before we had anything signed. If that makes any sense. it does make sense to me. I think maybe just some more communication around that, as you're going through that process. When did you take control of the premise around that time. I think it was like we submitted. The I can't remember for but I think it was like right around May when we took over the application right before that. If I'm not mistaken. I understand where you're coming from. I would just my suggestion around. That would be more communication with city licensing around your timeline and how it was going. Because, you know, this seems like a pretty urgent email from Michaan and seeing this group, together with the renewal. And I understand you're going through a lot right? You're moving. It's a big process. I would just like to see some more Comms with licensing around what you were doing here, because this seems a little bit rushed around a change of premise a change of location along with the renewal around this.

[30:03] And it was definitely it was definitely rush. Because we didn't have you know again, we were just trying to get everything worked out with with 29 stream all in. They just took forever to get back to me. And then by the time we got back with all the letters and the realtor got all the terms and everything ready. We that's when I emailed her like as fast as I could, so that I just didn't want to make any promises that I didn't have. But I understand why I need to open up more, and it'd be more open to communicate faster. Yeah, I think that would be especially going through this process with a very important liquor license in the city of boulder just communicating around that. So I know it's not easy to move around. But that would just be my only thing. I would suggest moving forward as things change for you here, and it's changes fast and happens so that's the only question I have. Absolutely. You got my word. anything anything else, Leah.

[31:03] Okay. alright. Anything else for me to square? No. Okay. Did anyone want to make a motion to approve the the the application to the track. Transfer the license to new location. I'd like to ask Caitlin about the Everything is everything square way tax buys on the new location. Yes, Liquor occupation tax is approved for the renewal of the old. There's not liquor occupation text for the new yet, because there hasn't been approved. but occupation taxes that prefer what will be the renewal for the next one, and then sales tax as well. So then I would just ask that of maybe Christiana. Where we stand on that between this sort of change of location and renewal together. Just what? What are there are rules around that if we don't actually have a new occupation tax and things like that for approving a renewal of the license that we're not, we're not sure the taxes paid on

[32:08] so for for my, I will have a first question when our taxes do at the new location, do first, due at the new location, like right away or II guess I'm not sure about the timing on that to to be able to answer your question. I can hope so it's prorated. So we bill it in January and July. So we would pro-rate new applications or change of location or transfer applications based on when they were approved. and that means when the licenses issue. So I guess there's a lot of nuances in there. But For this example, I won't be able to approve this location until or this application until the State sends me back there. license. So once the State sends me back and we do the premise inspection. And then we issue. That's when occupation text. So currently. they're not accruing occupation.

[33:04] So I guess I'll revamp my question for you, Shana, can we approve renewal for a license that is waiting on a a payment. I'm just. I'm trying to think of the I'm trying to look for the rule right now, and I don't. so I think that there it sounds to me a. And Caitlin can or Kristen can correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds to me like they're current on their any payments due? And so I think that's okay. So they're they're changing their location. They're processing this renewal, they are current on any payments due. If we find out later for another renewal or something like that, that they are not current on their payments, and that would become an issue. But right now I don't think it's an issue. If that makes sense. And just to be clear, we're making a motion to approve the just the transfer of the license first, and then we'll change the location

[34:02] right? I guess I was kind of grouping that into the thing we're gonna talk about right after this. But I change the location first. And I will make a motion to approve the change of location. Remember, Absalom. member car will second that motion all in favor. Member Carr. Aye. over Absalom. I Member Roberts. Aye. alright. Change of location has been approved. So alright, Mr. Guevara, I see your hand raised. Yeah. I just wanted to say that, you know, even though we didn't actually we didn't open for half of the year. We did pay the sales tax we did pay via occupation tax for January and July of this year, even though we didn't actually have the location to pay for, because we were bill by. We were told that we needed to pay for it, even though we didn't have a location, and we were not generating any sales for the year. But we we did take care of those bills as well, I mean. Just so you guys know that we we did pay for those occupational taxes

[35:10] right? Cause they ask you for that when you sign the lease. Right? Well, no, no, we would just so when we were talking with with our shot, but shot yeah. When we were talking with her. she mentioned that I needed to. Ca, take care of it the the occupation tax in order for me to renew my and transfer my location. So we did take care of those taxes, even though we didn't have a location at that point, you know, cause we were close already, but we we did pay for those taxes. Just just just, you guys know. Thank you. Kristen, did you something to say? And did you come on? Camera? Yes, thank you. I just wanted to provide a little bit of clarification around the liquor application taxes and how those are assessed. So the liquor occupation tax is required to hold a license. What? Whether or not the licenses operating so that's why was required to pay the occupation tax in order to maintain this license in order to complete the change of location as opposed to surrendering their license and applying for a brand new license. So that's that's why the liquor occupation tax is required. I just wanted to clarify that.

[36:30] Thank you. Chris. Thanks. Christian. Okay. I will call agenda items 6. Now, which is public hearing and consideration of an application filed on April seventh, 2023, from Noolito's Lc. Dba. Nobel's 2, 8, 5, 0 iris avenue suite, H or Colorado, 8 0 3 0 one Milton, 90% owner and registered manor manager and Dora Bavaria Gonzales, 10% owner with the premise business mailing address for renewal of a hotel restaurant

[37:05] and Well, Mr. I'm gonna swear you in one more time for this agenda item. Do you swear or permit the testimony you're about to give in front of the beverage. Licensing authority is true. And do you that the premises, and posted for at least 10 days prior to the 8 year. Yes, sir, yes, thank you. And Christiana, quick question for you. Do I need to read in the procedures again, since I've already done that. that is in your discretion. I think you have already read them for this premise. And I don't think it's necessary to read them again. If you don't want to. Thank you, Mr. Corey, are you you okay with me? Not reading them again? Okay, perfect. So Mr. Bore, I will then turn it over to you, to just to just share your perspective.

[38:01] Wonderful? Yeah. So you know, as as we move into these new location. Or you know. we decided that we wanna keep the look to license, because I think that our food goes hair really well with, you know a beer or Margita when you sit down throughout Rita. So you know, when we were thinking about switching over, we decided that we definitely wanted to bring I'll you know the local license with us, and actually offer liquor on on this set of time, which is not very much, you know. So we we feel like we we you know, we in the past. When we were at the old location, we we really didn't have a chance to grow, because it was, you know, very small, but it was good to have people that will come in for a burrito and a beer, and that was too much, and we never really did had a a crazy bar or anything like that. It was more of a you know. People come in, have a taco and then a beer. And that's kind of like the vibe that we want to create over here as well.

[39:03] Thank you. When anyone from the board. Does anyone from the board have any questions. Mister Grobado? I have a question here about just one thing about your training here I'm just seeing. And I see in your renewal application here around the fact that you only have 2 full time employees was one of them as yourself. Yeah. we we just we didn't have anyone in the old location. It was business was from, you know, from like, maybe 5 Pm. To like 8 pm, that's when we had people come in and get a Margarita. So it wasn't like it was just myself and my wife serving liquor, cause we really didn't have any growth, like, you know, but it felt good to have a little bit of a beer for people to come in when they wanted to even know it wasn't like really making any money at all. But as we come into these new location, we have stated that if we do hire more employees. And this is even something that we have in the on the sign outside at the door that we we are gonna pay for every employee that become a bartender. We're gonna train them. And we're gonna do everything.

[40:13] Obeying all the laws and making sure that we serve our goals safe. Okay. Great. So the other thing I'd like to see here is also kind of like a a bulletproof alcohol policy for your team. Anyone that you do hire and I highly suggest getting with Nathan Dewey with the rear. I think you probably heard of that before. You know who they are okay. I think it's good to partner with him immediately, because, like you said, that is a unique spot. For alcohol service. And I'd like to see. And you know the rule around 60 days after a higher. So basically, the rule that we have implemented within us is like the managers are gonna be the one serving the alcohol for now cause we are gonna hire 2 or 3 managers. I feel like manager. It's more inclined to be

[41:04] a better train for right now, and it's going to be seen as a reward for a manager to be able to like. Serve. Be a bartender for 1, 9 and 3 nights would be a line employee, you know. So I think that's going to be a policy, for now it's going to be more of like a chance for managers to get trained and food, and those would be trained in the bars so that we can be more responsible, not just in the bar, but on food as well. Alright! That's the only questions that I have, for now I had one question for you. Sobara. You mentioned that you in your email to Michaan earlier this year, you mentioned that you would be able to getting trained with Abt. Have you scheduled that? Or do you have that happening soon? Yeah, it's happening soon. And then the only reason why we haven't done it. It's because the the the guy who did. My Dora hasn't gone back to me. But as soon as we get that I'm gonna get that taken care of, so we're not. We will not open without me, and whoever's gonna be in the bar certify, and that is a promise

[42:07] perfect. And I just wanted to echo Mike's comments that, having a liquor policy serving policy in place is going to be really helpful. And we really like to see that so but just to work on something like that would be really appreciated. So we're definitely gonna start putting all those notes together and make sure that when we open because we really haven't hired hired anybody yet. So all those guidelines fingers, are coming in place as soon as we start hiring, which is in 2 weeks from now. And that's when all those things are gonna become more more of a live. And we'll definitely gonna train and then make sure that we have a policy moving forward and and something that's gonna be very strong. Thank you. And what's your expected open date at the 20 ninth location. So we're hoping for September fifteenth, based on we're waiting for the for the permit from the city to be able to build a bar. And once we build the bar, then we're gonna have a more solid date. But as a rain now, it's kind of pending on

[43:14] via permit any other comments, questions from the I'm sure the authority. No. Do I hear a motion? I'd be willing to make a motion, but I would like to maybe have a check back here. so maybe someone Christian can help me around this, and my motion would be I'd be. I'd make a motion to renew this license. With a 60 day check back on proper training and a a liquor policy in place. if that's possible. So you'd like this applicant to return in what? Let's see. such October at the October meeting.

[44:03] That was my suggestion would be just because we don't have any proof of training at this point because Mr. Guevara is going through the hiring process, and we won't see this applicant. Ii think I'd like to see that training in front of us. and I want some more alcohol policies that we can look at before, you know, just to come back and come back. This, I'll make a motion to approve it with those 2 things, to see this Licensee in the October hearing to see that training so that wouldn't be a a separate application or anything. And I'm just saying this to clarify for no separate applications, nothing like that. This is just a request or a condition on the motion. Come back and 60 and October. Okay, alright great. We'll have that in place, and and we're we're not trying to hide anything. We're trying to make everything by the law. So I I'm okay with that, and then we'll put it all together and have it ready. We're not saying, trying to hide anything, you know. I think it's just our responsibility to make sure that we're checking on something like that, because we don't see that in front of us right now, so

[45:06] that the condition, on my motion to approve this renewal would be that in 60 days we would see proof of training and a liquor policy in place. I understand. Member, that is month. Yeah. II have a quick question. I don't know it. Just more of. I don't know if Mr. Once or like, is there a a file that he could like? Add his policy to? That? We could like that is just there. You know what I mean like. Get it added to that whole file that we see of everything. Yeah, you mean, instead of him coming back and seeing us if he could submit that proof. Yeah, I think I'm I'm definitely willing to explore that option. If city licensing is in receipt of those training policies in October, along with, you know, the proof of training. I'd I'd be willing to accept that as well rather than have make make Mr. Rivera, come back.

[46:10] Okay, so how about this? for to to amend your motion we could say that the renewal or move to approve the renewal application. On the condition that one of 2 things happens right either. Mr. Guevara. Submit to the city licensing team, his alcohol policy and the training certifications prior to October. What is the October meeting date. or what is the right? When we post in October, which would be probably early October. October eighteenth, would be the scheduled meeting, and public postings

[47:04] would then be on October 8. Pocket materials for packet would be due October night. Okay? So how about we have either just submit to city licensing the policy and the certifications just by email, for example, honor. Before October eighth and if that doesn't happen, then if we don't get that by October eighth, then we'll have them come back in and attend the meeting in October on October eighteenth. To just check in with the bla. Sounds great, thank you. Not a not a pretty motion, but hopefully it's clear. Alright number. Absalom. Aye. member Roberts. Aye.

[48:01] okay. So moved. Your Mr. Kavari, your renewal is approved, based on this conditions. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Good luck, Mr. Roar. We're actually paying in right now. So there's a lot of fumes in here. So thank you so much. That's exciting good luck. Thank you. We will move on to agenda. Item 8, which is public hearing and consideration of an application file. On June eighth, 2023, from the Hopa group, Inc. Dva sushi girl in Sakivar, 1 0 4 8 Pearl Street suite, 1 0 5, boulder, Colorado, 8 0 3 0 2 mark Van Rack, 76.5% owner, president and registered manager

[49:05] and Erin Nagamichi, 22.5% owner and vice president of operations. But the premise business mailing address for modification of the hotel restaurant type, liquor license, and I'll also draw the Board's attention to the fact that this transfer is administrative. It's in the administrative process of the transfer for this location as well. Which is just kind of dependent on modifications. So there, you see that. Caitlin, to be clear. We don't need to like make make a motion to approve this at this time for no. So we're gonna you're gonna hear the modification I'm just letting you know that later on in the agenda there's an administrative approval of the transfer for the same location. So they're modifying the location of their transfer queue. If that's okay. no problem. And I have

[50:00] some people with their hands raised. If anyone else would like to speak on this matter, go ahead and raise your hand, and I'll promote you. The panelists. Okay. And I see jessica Booker is here, Jessica. Anyone else can be appearing with you. I do have no one else from the hopa group, but I either have either Garrett Sand or Sylvie camino for needs and desires from liquor pros. See you? But alright I'm gonna go ahead and swear you, and if you'll just raise your right hand. do you swear? For from the customer you're about to give in front of the beverage. Licensing authority is true. Yes, I do. And do you swear or affirm that the premise has been posted for at least 10 days prior to today's year. Yes. go ahead and proceed ready. Cool. Thank you. Do you have an attorney? Jessica, or I do not have an attorney with me today. So that I will read the hearing procedures into the record, and then we'll proceed.

[51:10] Okay, perfect thank you. So this is a public hearing before the beverage licensing authority of the city of Boulder to determine whether or not the application of See the Hopa Group, Incorporated doing business as hopasus sushi, and sake located at 1048 Pearl Street suite 1 0 5 for a request to modify their premises. For a restaurant hotel, restaurant, liquor license shall be granted or denied. This hearing is conducted pursuant to the laws of the State of Colorado and the rules of the beverage licensing authority of the city of Boulder. The purpose of this hearing is to receive information, data, and testimony by interested parties, in order to enable this authority to make the findings and reach the conclusions required to be made by State law as to whether or not the premise may be altered. Interested parties of the applicant residence, the neighborhood affected by the license as previously determined by the authority, and the owners and managers of a business located in the neighborhood under consideration.

[52:20] A record is being made of these proceedings. Those who desire to be heard shall identify themselves by stating their name, spelling their last name and stating the pertinent address. They shall also be sworn in by the Board secretary. Does anyone on the authority today have a conflict of interest for this item or any export contacts regarding this item they wish to disclose. Member car. No. remember, Absalom, no Amber Roberts. No. Okay. Are there any interested parties present, or persons who will act as witnesses for interested parties

[53:00] not seeing any hand raised? Are there any members of the general public who wish to supply comment also, not seeing any hand raised. Okay, Miss Brockhardt, are you prepared to proceed? Yeah. Alright. Go ahead. Jessica Bracart, BROK. HART. I am the Vp of business and liquor licensing over here at Hapasushi. With an address of should I give it our business address. Is that what you're asking for, or my home address out? We're asking for the business address, I believe. Is that correct? 7 45 Walnut Street, Boulder, Colorado, 8,302 is the corporate office for Hoppa and so I guess the first thing I'd like to go through is a little bit of history. With Hoppa for those that may or may not know. We have been at our current location where we are operating now at 1 1 7 Pearl Street in Boulder, which is just, you know, a block and a half away of our the location that we're asking for the modification, for we've been there for 20 years, and our lease finally expired this summer.

[54:12] And so we are still in the location with an extension on that property with the landlord and signed a lease with the 1048 Pearl Street location in February last year. So we're now a year and a half into a process of modifying that location. So when we moved into that location, or when we signed the lease on that location. We have not moved in there yet. When we sign the lease on that location. It had a liquor license. Eureka Burger bar was there. And we decided that obviously it would be a little bit easier to transfer that license and keep our old license, you know, at 1, 1 7 per all. Instead of having to like transfer licenses around from location, from address to address and so we originally transferred that application in the process of transferring, as you all know, and I'm going into the transfer as well, too, because I think it is pertinent to what's going on. So the transfer took a while at the state level, and in the meantime, because of construction schedules, etc., we actually had to start

[55:13] demoing that building during the process of the transfer of the license. So the transfer actually came through before I could actually submit a modification because we didn't have all the plans or anything in place. So things happened a little backwards here. But we haven't really, you know, there's been no service in that establishment. That address. At the moment. So right now we are almost complete with our build out and the licenses up for renewal again, the one that we have not yet transferred. So I think. You know, I know how that works a little bit will submit that transfer or the renewal after this conversation. but the modification we are scheduled to take over the location as a restaurant at the end of October. So we're about 2 and a half months out from at least receiving the space, you know, to the Hopa group. And then we're a couple of weeks out. So we're looking at like mid November for an opening date for the location. The modification to the premise is because Eureka was one storefront

[56:17] with 3,812 square feet and we signed a lease with the landlord for an additional 2 and a half spaces. So Eureka was in space 105. We signed a lease for 106107, and a portion of 109, and so we are requesting the modification to add on 2105 an additional 817 square feet from 10 from unit 106, an additional 768, 107,

[57:10] hoping that this modification can be approved through you all, so that we can continue to serve the Boulder public. You know our our same product. That will be that we have it our 1, 1, 7 Pearl Street. We will move all of our current employees over to the new location. All the certifications will come with them. We'll have to hire more. This is a little bit larger location that it was just for some reference to the original location of Eureka would have been about the same sizes or current location, so, moving from one location to the next wouldn't have made a whole lot of sense business wise to. I mean it. It's great, it's new. It would have been beautiful, but we wanted a little bit of extra space we've been tapped out. We have that additional patio space for a while during Covid, and that was really helpful. For our business during that time, and we would like to, you know, have a larger patio as it stands. Our patio has, you know, 6 little tables on there, and they are definitely fought over for the customers, especially during the summer months.

[58:11] So that is the summary of what the modification of premise would include for now. thank you. Ms. Brockard. Do any members of the oh, I think we should also allow like a Bros to also share. Thank you. Member, car. Good afternoon, members of the authority. For the record. My name is Eva Garrett, and last name GARR. ETSO. N. One of the owners of liquor, licensing professionals, doing businesses, liquor pros, conducted the needs and desire survey regarding the modification of a hotel restaurant, liquor license for hopa sushi, and sake once again taking Miss Brookhart's explanation, and we went ahead, and we transfer that or we laid that back to the business owners, managers. and residents inside the neighborhood, and I apologize, Mr. Carr, my address is 5 5, 1, 5. Saddle Rock place here in Colorado Springs, Colorado, so we perform this survey. On Thursday, July twenty-seventh, and Friday, July 28, made attempted contact with 468 business owners, managers and residents inside the area, and obtained a total of 129 signatures. 48 were from business owners and managers started our way in close.

[59:24] Kept a nice little tight circle in there. All 48 signed in favor at 100. We then had 81 residential signatures with 80 signing in favor at 99% one opposed. We do ask those folks to write in why they are in favor or opposed to this license. We. They declined to provide a reason. So we count that as a valid reason of opposition. But if we combine these totals, we have a hundred and 28 signatures signing in favor at 99%. One opposed that one once again given the fact that there are a plethora of other licenses of similar type, the fact that this is a modification, and the 99 still shows a positive need and desire for the modification in this area for this liquor license

[60:10] once again, we are a third party company, so we do not guarantee results. for this, and I can answer any questions if you have any. Thank you any questions for either. Miss Garrison, Miss Garrison? Right? Yes, Miss Garrison, or Miss Brookhart and members of the authority. II did have one question, this is really from regarding the public right away. Actually, do we have approval for that? Tennessee approved that. Yeah. yeah, so we are we? We are like so close to approval. I basically, they made a lot. They had us make a lot of changes to our site plan for that patio space. And we were change. We sounds kind of silly, but we were going in between 8 foot and 10 foot umbrellas.

[61:10] and so they just received that on Monday, and they were supposed to just send over signature. So they were just they. It was basically approved. They just wanted us to remove some extraneous lines, etc., and then they would approve that. That was Alex over it, planning any other? Any other questions from members of the authority. Yeah. Member Cardi, make a good point, though. Just again, kind of like a point of order here, if we do approve this modification. Are we still waiting on the city to say yes, from zoning. I think that was a good point you made there. I mean what I'm looking at right now, based on this is Burkhart's testimony here. I think it looks fine to me, but I am not in zoning. So

[62:03] I'm I'm I'm totally willing to make a motion around this if we're there. But I'm not sure if we are still waiting on something from another department of city government to make a suggestion or not. I would say that I might even be able to get it while on this call. But if that's something that you want me to submit over to you once that Re is received this hopefully this week. I know it was not a smooth process to get us through the right of way. There was apparently a change in their system, and people and short staff, and, you know, kind of the whole, the whole story around a lot of places at the moment. And so that was a stumbling process to get us through the row. Kristen, I see you have your hand raised. Yes, thank you. So. I just wanted to point out that in the zoning review for this application there is no outdoor space that's been approved. And so

[63:06] what the board is reviewing right now is just the indoor premises. and if the license you would like to add an outdoor premises down the road that they'll need to complete another modification of premises, and they'll likely need to appear before the Board again for that modification. I believe that modification is actually on there for the patio, is it not? I'm reviewing the diagram and the zoning disposition, and it says, 0 outdoor seats, and there's no patio on the diagram for the zoning disposition. Hmm, okay. and that would also make sense. If you haven't received approval yet from planning and development services if it hasn't been approved by their department that it's not something that would be included in that something disposition okay?

[64:01] And Kristen in her in her packet. Here. I'm looking at page 101. I am looking at the indoor diagram here. Right? That's not. It says meets walkway code. Are those 2 4 tops in that diagram referencing an outdoor area cause I see the the, the diagram above. It is comprehensive, and it does not include the patio like you said. but the one below it is. No, I think you're looking. I don't think what you're looking at. How's the patio on it? And right? So that's historic. That's just inside the dining room. So there's nothing for patio here on this modification. are you? And are you looking at it before and after I'm on page 99 of the packet right now. and I'm looking at. This is the comprehensive space.

[65:01] It does appear to me on page 99 that there are some patios. There is some patio seating on there on the in the the diagram. Unless I'm reading that incorrectly because we're looking at furniture and equipment. I'm also seeing patio chairs. And yeah, that's the current. What's really looking really strange to me right now is, there's a line right where the patio would be if you're looking at page 99, there's that there actually is a patio right where there's kind of a blank. Why. but then, again, like what does. Page 101 is reversing what part of page 99 I actually have no idea where that exhibit came from. I think that may have came. Excuse me, come from the amendment to our lease, which added that 200 square feet that you're looking at right now on the private. That is not. That is actually not part of a Site plan that I submitted as part of

[66:11] Yeah. A Site plan. But this, that 99, page 99 is a little strange to me. yeah, I mean, if that is what you're saying and that you're looking at a modification just for the current space and the patio that existed which would have been, you know, 300 that you're actually seeing on the page that which would be the west side of the location. Currently do you see that on page 99 there are some patio tables on the top of the page which would be the west side. I see that. So those are patio tables, and they would loop around in an L on the front side of Perl with the row. But these were approved with the current license with Eureka Kristen.

[67:01] If I may. I think that there's just a little bit of confusion here, and I'd like to take just a 10 min recess if we could first off to just kind of look into this and give you a more definitive answer. would that be all right with the board? Yes. yeah. I'll make a motion. Okay, so we'll return here. And do we need to make a motion, or we just return here in 10 min at 4 20. That's cool. 4, 20. Thank you. Thank you. Bro. What right are you?

[68:00] Caitlin? I apologize to the members of the authority. I actually have to drive all the way up to Adams County by 60'clock. Now I'm in Colorado Springs, so place your bets. But Sylvie Samino is jumping on I didn't know if you want anything more for me on this matter. Because we have the next 2 matters coming in, and so she'll jump on for those 2. But I didn't know if the authority had anything else for me, or if I could be excused for this one. I think that anyone else on the authority have any questions. No, alright, that was Garrison. You can be excused, then thank you for your time. Thank you so much. I will see you all on the next one. We appreciate you. Thank you. Adams County.

[69:03] Thank you so much to the Board for allowing us to take that free class and do a little bit of research on this. I've asked Kristen, Tg, our licensing analyst to jump on the meeting today since she was processing this application and can provide a little bit of context around the patio. Yes. Good afternoon. There was licensing authority members, and I see we've got Jessica and staff available. Yes, for this application. Even though the disposition, notice of disposition, disposition from planning and development services does indicate a patio. It is my understanding that they have not yet been approved for the patio and are waiting finalization for revocable lease, Jessica, I believe that is correct. Previously. When this has happened with the beverage licensing authority, we have had a few. Mike. You may remember

[70:00] we have, if the beverage licensing authority moves to approve the license, they've approve the license with the condition that the patio is excluded until such time that proof of possession for the patio is can be obtained, and then the licensing staff member that performs the inspection will inspect for the main license premises, and then, once the patio is granted, we go back and reinspect, and then include the patio within the entire license premises. Is that your recollection, too? member? Absolutely. That is correct. Yes, thank you, Chris, and that's what I was thinking about, and that makes total sense to me. Right? I do apologize for that confusion. I probably should have put a note in with the application. Thanks, Kristen. So do we? Is there a motion to approve based on Kristen's recommendation?

[71:03] Member absolutely make a motion to approve the modification, modification of license premise? Andrew Roberts will second, that all in favor. Member Carr. Aye. number Absalom, I Amber Roberts. Aye. all right. So moved you are. It's been approved. Thank you. II appreciate it, and I will be in contact with Kristen over here once we get that final approval on the patio. Thank you. Kristen. Hey, Christiana, did you have something to add. I just wanna make it extra especially clear that you know what? Kristin Tig just said was part of your motion correct? Okay, okay, thank you. So I guess I can. Just, I go ahead and affirm the condition. Yeah, in addition to my motion is that we'll wait for the zoning authority to go through on the patio. And once that goes through, we will go ahead and approve that modification. Yeah, including this modification. Okay? Perfect.

[72:20] Okay. can I ask question real quick, actually just unrelated. But related to the transfer? I know it's on here as the administrative piece. So does that require a comment from me? Do I need to be there for that? I know that that was kind of just something that had been approved by the State. But obviously, you guys couldn't approve it because we were dealing with this modification, or is that something that would then be approved after the modification goes through, and then the transfer goes through. And honestly, the only reason it's really important to me right now is because I am sitting on the renewal for that location for this upcoming year. And I wanna understand what my process will be with that renewal so that I don't file it late.

[73:07] Look at. Maybe some of them's the I'm not entirely sure the answer to that be Chris and or Caitlin would be able to. Hi, I'm able to answer that as I did take the transfer for this as well. the transfer was taken and sent in and approved, but the state level. So we do have the State license back. However, we could not inspect and issue the city license for this, due to the permanent modification. Once the permanent modification has been approved. and we receive that back and are ready to inspect. We will go ahead and release the licenses and the permanent modification for this location under the State liquor code. There are provisions where, if an location is under construction, that they should go ahead and and submit their renewal during this time.

[74:05] You've seen a couple of those before. Come through here. so it would be my recommendation that you do indeed make sure you timely file that renewal. So I actually, I guess this maybe isn't the platform for this. But I did submit it. And she II forget who it was. She's a little bit newer to the licensing department, I believe, but she said that she wouldn't. She wasn't processing that renewal because it wasn't in her system. If you don't mind. If we could take this conversation offline, and maybe maybe connect tomorrow and talk to some of your questions and and we're happy to help you. If I'll I'll set up a meeting. Okay, tomorrow. Perfect. That sounds great. Thanks. So much. Sorry to take some extra time there. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

[75:02] Alright. Next we have agenda, item number 9, public hearing and continue consideration of an application file on may twelfth, 2023. From book Click, Llc. Dba. Book click vignette. 1, 5 0 one lead unit, 17 older, Colorado, 8, 0 3, 0 4 tectonic enterprises, 100 owner, Christopher Allison, managing member and proposed Registered Manager Gordon Dickert, managing member, and William K. Thomson, managing number with the premise business Mailing address for a new witness restaurant type, Linker license and do. okay. And mister, I was want anyone else to carry with you besides, Mr. Steven. Premise

[76:06] if William Thompson is on. He may join on video as well the William Thompson. And then there's liquor house. It's also is like robots also appearing for this one correct? Yes, okay. I don't know. Promote them as well. Okay, great. And then. Mr. Allen, are you the only one who'll be giving testimony, or Mr. Thomson, will you also be giving testimony should just be me giving testimony unless there's any questions directed towards Mr. Thomson. If you'll turn on your camera and mute for me, so I can get just 1 min. Here we are. Okay. Hello! Alright! Have you all raise your right hand?

[77:05] Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to provide is true and correct. I do. I do and use where or affirm that the premise has been posted for at least 10 days prior to today's day. I didn't. Yes, we posted it. Yes. thank you. I'll hand it over to the board. Perfect! Mr. Stephen, would you? Just identify yourself for the record, please your good afternoon. My name is Adam Stapen, St. A. PEN. I'm an attorney license to practice law here in Colorado. Registration number 2, 7, 5, 0 6. Business. Address, 4, 55, Sherman suite, 300, Denver, 80203. Thank you, Mr. Stephen. And would you? be okay with we being the hearing procedures reading perfect, and I'll let you proceed.

[78:00] Thank you. Obviously this is a do-over from last hearing or the last agenda that we had where we had an issue, the posting. And so obviously wanna apologize again for that issue. But we're here seeking a new Ventner's restaurant license for a location that is already license. And so you're gonna hear from Mr. Allison. That's the reason why we're seeking a new retail license is because Mr. Allison has interest in restaurants up in Northern Colorado. We're not adding a new license to your neighborhood. We're not adding anything new to your backyard. This is essentially a purchase of the winery, but because of that we have to change over the licenses in furtherance of the acquisition. Obviously, we do have Sylvie, and I see Sylvie right there, and she her team circulated petitions and furtherance of this new retail class license. So I would like to call Sylvie first

[79:01] to testify to the need to desires, and we'll have Mr. Allison speak as to who these folks are, what they intend to do and how they're gonna operate your back. And and, Mr. Steven, I apologize. I forgot to ask the authority members, if there's any conflict of interest, or any interested party, so let me just go ahead and do that before you call your witnesses. Yes, so are there any authority? Members here who do have a conflict of interest at this time, or any export? Disclose member car no number absolute? No. I'm Robert Snow. Okay? And then, are there any interested parties, or present a person to act as witnesses for interested parties? Just raise your hand now. no hands. And now, are there any members? The general public who wishes by comment no hits? Thank you, Mr. Stapen, you may proceed. Thank you. No, I apologize for jumping again as well.

[80:00] Yes, yes. Would you please state and spell your name for the record, and also give your address? Yes, my name is Sylvie Semino, and I am currently the co-owner of liquor licensing professionals. We do business as liquor pros here in the State of Colorado, and we conducted the needs and desires. Petition survey regarding book, book, cliff vineyards, for an event restaurant type of liquor license. So we conducted this survey on Tuesday, June twenty-seventh. Wednesday, June 20 eighth. Between the hours of 8 30 Am. And 7 30 Pm. There was one circulator for this survey prior to the start of the survey. We usually, you know, converse with the circulator. We brief them on the type of license application. provide them with packets that include the face sheet with preamble application, hearing information.

[81:03] instructions, and a map of the defined area of the survey and then the circle. The circulator will document all contacts of tents on our tally sheets, and then you know, they will sign their notarized. affidavitous circulation at the conclusion of the survey. We make contact and attempt with 68 businesses and 302 residents, totaling 370 attempts for both business and residential. Of those we did obtain 120 signatures. 35 of those signatures were from businesses with 35 in favor at 100, and then there were 30. I'm sorry. 85 residential signatures, 84 in favor at 99%, and one was opposed at 1%

[82:01] after conducting this survey petition regarding this liquor license, we feel that there is a positive need and desire for this License type at that physical location. We are an unbiased Survey company, and we conduct our surveys in that manner, and we collect yeses as well as knows. Can I answer any questions? If you don't mind giving your address? I think he covered it all. Thank you. I'm so sorry. I forgot about that. 5, 5, 1, 5. Saddle Rock place, and that is in Colorado Springs, Colorado, 8, 0 9, 1 8. Thank you. I don't have any further questions. I don't know if the authority has questions or not any questions from the authority. Nothing, any. I would ask that, Sylvie be excused from the hearing. I have one more still. Thanks.

[83:01] Mr. Allison. Can you hear me? Okay, can you please state and spell your name and also give your address. Yeah. Christopher Allison, last name is Spell A, LLIS. ON. My personal address is 1 0 0 6, 3 Grove Court unit C, that's Westminster, Colorado, 8, 0 0 3, one. And Mr. Allison, what is your current occupation? Yeah, currently, I work as a senior manager of regulatory affairs at a company in Broomfield called Sierra Space. And it's my understanding you also have ownership interest in the hospitality industry as well. Yeah. So I'm also 50 owner and a restaurant group that owns 3 independently owned and operated restaurants in Northern Colorado that serve pizza pasta as well as Oh, beer wine, and then hard spirits! How long have you been a part owner of that restaurant group?

[84:03] Yeah, my ownership. Began on January first. 2,017. Have you had any liquor violations under your ownership? No. obviously you're here seeking a new business restaurant. Why don't you tell the authority a little bit about your passion for wine and kind of what drove you to to reach this point at this point in time. Sure. So on. The call here, you see, and video myself, as well as one of our partners will. Mr. Thompson, and then a third partner, Mr. Dickard. So Mr. Dickard and I, have a long history. Went to college together. Both aerospace engineering background in Boulder At that time had different jobs around the country but always found kind of a reason to get together and go visit different wine countries around the country. So we enjoyed wine for a long time, and then we ventured into the world of making amateur wine And that hobby grew to a point that our wives kind of were like. So what are y'all doing with this?

[85:04] Which kind of took us to the point of of seeking to get licensed and go to the next level. In terms of production. At that point. We had started working with the current book vineyards. That is currently licensed in boulder, just in a kind of advisory capacity as well as mentorship capacity, and learned about Will's desire to also, you know, become part of ownership of a winery, and then the current owners, John Andula. of booklet vineyards, having a desire to to sell and retire. So that's where this opportunity presented itself from. and Bookcliff vineyards has a location in Boulder that we're asking the authority here to grant the vendors restaurant for, but also has another location and palisade. Is that correct? Do they have a tasting room and palisade? Yeah, the fruits of your acquisition of book click vineyards. We had a hearing in Mesa County for the approval of a vendor's restaurant. And that was granted. Is that correct?

[86:03] That is, it was conditionally approved upon final health inspection at that location. Okay, so we're essentially seeking the same thing to happen here within the city of Boulder. When you close, if you close, depending. If the liquor authority approves your application. What changes? If any, do you plan on doing to the current facility? Yeah, we intend to assume the facility, as is you know. Given that it's a vendor's restaurant license. There is a 15% on premise sales. a food condition on that license. So we would be adding, you know pre prepared options, small sandwiches, those types of things. In order to be in compliance with that portion of the license other than that, essentially, for someone who's not aware of the looker authority or ongoing license for your acquisition. No one's gonna really know it's changed over ownership. If I walked in before closing versus walking in after closing, but for a larger food, selection, and ability to purchase.

[87:07] That is correct, that is our intent. And you probably heard that this authority cares deeply about alcohol training in your policy. So can you please describe to the authority what your what your folks are gonna do to make sure they're trained for alcohol sales. and what your alcohol sales policies are going to be absolutely so as part of the sale of the business we are innovating overall current employees from the business. All employees, 100 of them that are in a service capacity are tips trained. So we are inheriting employees that already meet that training certification all of the ownership. As well as our spouses have also conducted tips training. We have those certificates that we can present if needed. And then, further, we have an employee handbook which states and alcohol policy that all employees, again in the service capacity would be tips trained, and then has protocols in it in terms of dealing with.

[88:01] you know, avoiding serving underage minors. It's obviously, you understand, the importance of the training and ensuring that our call does not reach the hands of a minor and or somebody visibly intoxicated within your facility. That is absolutely correct. License by boulder. Yeah. So assuming we have a positive approval today, we still have to, you know, finalize things with the state and Ttb, but assuming that happens, our target date of closure of the sale, which is to be clear. The sale is contingent on these licenses being approved. Would be Monday, September eleventh. Great! I don't have any further questions from you, Mr. Allison. Do you have anything further? You'd like to advise the authority at this point in time. At this point, I just wanna thank the the board for the consideration. And you know we're excited to to be able to provide a retirement opportunity for the current owners. And then provide an opportunity for for us to to get into the business and and continue the legacy of Colorado wine here in the State as well as Boulder.

[89:13] Thank you. I don't. Any further question. Is the authority asking questions of you, Mr. Allison? Thank you, Mr. Allison. Does anyone from the Board have any questions? I do have a question for you, Mr. Allison. I noticed in your application here that you mentioned that you are. You do not have a written alcohol policy yet, or even included it within your application. And you will be putting in the employee handbook once finalized, and we ready to employ signature prior to handling or prior to opening. Is that policy completed? Do you? Do you have a copy of that? Sure. Yeah. So at the time of filing we did not have that completed at this point, we do have an employee handbook

[90:05] and as I mentioned, part of our onboarding process at point of sale, when we innovate over those employees that we will, they will perform signature against that policy. Okay? And the second question for you is, have you? Are you familiar with the responsible retail association? Yes, we are familiar. Okay. One thing I would urge you to do is connect with Nathan Dewey and to to join that as well. To make sure that your policy is following best practices. And that, you're getting tips and everything from his organization. Great. Thank you for the recommendation. Any other thoughts, questions, comments from members of the authority. Can you talk a little bit about your other restaurants, and how you're involved with those, and how those are run, and if you've ever run into any issues.

[91:00] Sure. So I grew up in the restaurant industry, these particular restaurants. My parents started at least one of the locations prior to me being born. and then from my life kind of expanded that. And you know similar story. My father got to the end and said, I am ready to retire. So at the time his regional manager, who's operating 3 locations, and myself teamed up 50 50 partners to purchase the business. So my business partner is operationally a day to day partner in the business deals with, you know, employee hiring firing, you know, day to day service. Those kind of things. My role is in the capacity of more of like a Cfo financial marketing type stuff in terms of. Since our tenure of owning the business. There's been no issues in terms of any you know, violations or findings against our practices with the liver licenses. Thank you. Sure. I would like to make a motion to approve this, but like we do it, Mr. Guevara, I would like to have the liquor policy or the the handling policy on hand before you actually reopen do you have a date for for that? Or

[92:14] but that would be happening. Yeah, I mean. So our target assuming approval today sounds like potentially conditional approval on seeing that our target date of closing on the sale would be Monday, September eleventh. But at this point I think we're ready to provide a copy of that employee handbook. at the ready. Okay? So yeah. Then II would make a motion to approve this based as long as we were able to have the employee handbook prior to your reopening. and just to confirm the employee handbook would also have the alcohol policy. Yeah, there is a clause in their particular alcohol policy as well as training. And to be clear. That's that's focused on. It's just the alcohol policy

[93:09] just checking. There's also an enormous thunderstorm, I'm sure, going outside of everyone's window right now. So I got a little distracted. Are we gonna do the same condition we did with this last condition in terms of what are we seeing for training here. Proof of training. Are you seeing anything in the package? I'm not seeing it. That's a good question. I see that everyone is tips trained. But I don't actually see the tips. Training certificates. Yes, so the tips training occurred after we filed the application. But we do all all the ownership and our spouses have training completed. We have the certificates. We can provide those. I agree we should have those certificates on file along with the alcohol policy sort of policy

[94:01] so conditional approval based. I'll I'll make a motion to prove this conditionally based on this, having certificates of tips, training, and the alcohol policy prior to your opening after. So I would second that motion member, Absalom. all in favor. Remember, Carr. Aye. remember Absalom. Aye. Mayor Roberts. Aye. okay. So moved. and Caitlin would you, I guess, work with Mr. Allison, Mr. Stapen, to make sure we have those documents. Yes, and this is my application, so I'll be the one that will be issuing that place. So yep, I will make sure that they have those. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thanks, guys. Alright. Thank you all for your time. Appreciate it. Good luck. Thank you.

[95:01] Thank you. Alright. I'm gonna get everyone back really low. Okay. alright. Next we have. And I'm sorry before we go to agenda items, and I do want to let you guys know that mister Dewey from AR is here, and he has asked to speak to you. He just had a a family thing that made him late. So I asked him if it will be okay if he could speak after agenda. Item 10. That's okay with you guys. We'll move on to agenda, adding, 10 men. public hearing and consideration of an application found on June fourteenth, 2023, from Greenland Building, Bar, Llc. Dba. Garage sale, vintage, 1 7 0 one Pearl Street suite, 100 boulder, Colorado, 8 0 3 0 2

[96:01] good baby management. I'll see 9, 1 0 one Harlan, Colorado, 8,031, with Joshua Samson, sole member as 100 owner of Grant Building, Bar, Lc. Pva. Garage Sale vintage, Joshua Samson, member with the premise Business Mailing address, for the premise mailing address of 1 7 0 one Pearl Street, 100 boulder, Colorado, 8 0 3, 0 2 for a new tavern time, flicker license. and if you are here to speak on this matter. Go ahead and raise your hand. Okay. I see Mr. Rental is here, and Mr. Stancin Mr. Brunco, will anyone else be appearing, do you believe? Besides, Mr. Samson.

[97:02] Mr. If you will go ahead and raise your right hand, both of you, I'll swear you in. Do you swear or affirm that the same answer about given for the beverage. Licensing authority are true. Yes. And do you swear that the premise has been posted 10 days prior to today's hearing. Yes. and, Sylvia, I'll square you in again just for this matter. Okay. do you swear or burn that the same as you're about to give before the buyer's licensing authority are true. Yes. thank you. And I'll let the phone present. Thank you. Caitlin. Mr. Runco, would you like to to wave the hearing procedures.

[98:04] Okay, perfect. Could you identify yourself for the record? Yup Robert Runco, attorney registration 4, 1, 9, 3, 2. Here, on behalf of the applicant with the law firm of Bronco and profit. At 1617 Street Suite 362, Denver, Colorado, 8 0 2 0 perfect do any authority members have any conflict of interest for this item? Or do you have any expertise contact regarding this item that you wish to disclose? Now? Member car. No. remember Absalom. No. I'm a Roberts now. all right. Are there any interested parties present, or any persons who would like to act as witnesses for interested parties. not seeing any hands. Are there any members of the general public who wish to supply comment also, not seeing any hands? All right, Mr. Runco, you may proceed. Thank you. And again, in the interest of Miss Minos time, I believe we are the last one for her today. So we will let her do her presentation in regards to the petitioning that they performed for this applicant.

[99:16] Great! Thank you. Again. My name is Sylvie Simino, and my address is 5 5, 1, 5. Saddle Rock Place. Colorado Springs, Colorado, 8, 0 9, 1 8 and again I am a corner of liquor pro doing well, liquor, licensing professionals, doing business, liquor pros, and we did conduct the needs and desires petition survey regarding a new tavern liquor license for garage sale vintage. again. I just wanna remind everyone that we are unbiased survey company, and we do take no as well as yeses and we don't persuade anybody to sign in in any way, either yes or no.

[100:03] The survey was conducted Thursday, July twenty-seventh, Friday, July 28, and August fourth between the hours of 9 Am. And 7 Pm. Prior to the start of the survey, the circulators were briefed on the type of license application provided with the package space sheets, preamble and hearing information instructions, and a map of the defined area. of of this survey there were 3 circulators. This, all of the circulators document documented all contacts on tally sheets and sign notarized affidavits of circulation. At the conclusion of the survey contact was attempted with a hundred 20 businesses, 386 residents. totaling 506 attempts of those we did obtain a hundred 29 signatures. 43 signatures were of this from businesses

[101:07] with 43 in favor at 100%, 86 residential signatures, 85 in favor at 99% one opposed at 1% after we conducted this survey, I personally worked on this one. I really feel that there is a positive need and desire for this applicant and this type of license at that location? Can I answer any questions? Look like no questions from the authority? Thank you for your testimony. Thank you. You tell me. and we will now move on to Mr. Sampson. And Mr. Samson, can you please? For the record state your full name spell your last name and give us your home. Address. Yup, Joshua Sampson, 347 to West 33 Ab. Denver, Colorado, 80211,

[102:05] and it's SAMP. SON, thank you. And can you give us? I know it was read in earlier. But can you just remind us your title? As it relates to call garage sale tonight? Owner and a as the owner. Are you familiar with the day to day operations of garage sale? Can you describe for the authority of your individual history in the outcall industry? Yes, I've been in the liquor industry since about 1999, as an owner, as a manager, as in various other roles in distribution. And in that roughly 2324 years in the industry. Have you ever received any liquor? License violations? No. And garage sale itself is a is a concept that's been around for a few years. That correct? Yes.

[103:04] approximately. How long? Start in September of 2020, in the middle of the pandemic? Okay, and how many locations does garage sale have? Now. Boulder will be number 5, and those various locations, since they have been up and running. Have you had any liquor license violations at any of those locations? No. Can you give us a a brief overview of the concept of garage sale. Yeah, we're first and foremost a a, a, a bar that serves rolled case ideas and nachos and hot dogs. But we we we we sell, we sell drinks, and we sell vintage clothing predominantly bar. But the vintage is very powerful. I've heard you. II know this is sometimes confusing for people. So maybe to maybe I tied up a little bit. I've heard you refer to it in the past is you're kind of like a cracker barrel. Analogy. II don't want to say a a hipster cracker barrel. That kind of divide.

[104:09] Yeah, I mean it. It. You know, white years of evolution. Past? Cracker brown. Yeah. But yeah, that's right. With with the whole idea is like a retail hospitality, the future of of what? If that could look like and you you see some sure retail play people putting bars in and and things. But I think we got that formula, right with the with the bar, focused with the retail supplemental. And and this location is going to match kind of that concept. Yeah, it's gonna be the same as the others. And in fact, we we wanted Boulder to be. Yeah, the main location that it's just taken 2 and a half years to get to this point. And again, with that concept. I know you said primarily, a bar but in that concept you are able to satisfy the requirements of a tavern license. With the out call being the primary purpose of the business.

[105:09] Okay? And you mentioned kind of your food options as really sandwiches and light snacks. You, said Tikito's and and tacos, or what was that? Again? Rolled case ideas, beer, brats, and nachos? What sort of alcohol beverages do you have? Is it a full bar, or is it kind of a limited menu type? Thing? It is a full bar we. We. We range from Margaritas to beer to wine. And what are your anticipated hours of operation about 10 to 10 and will the food be available during all those operating hours? And again, if you are approved for the license today, when do you hope to be ready to open for business.

[106:02] We will be. We will start construction today, and we'll probably be ready to go in in in 6 to 8 weeks. You mentioned that this location, you know, you kind of hope to become like the flagship location. What is it about? Boulder? Or this location specifically, that attracted you to this space. Well, particularly boulder, we, you know, we we're an upcycle brand. You know, trying to save the world through reusing and promoting. Sustainable fashion is our is our whole thing. Kill fast fashion, and boulder seems to be ill aligned with our with our goals, of our company and what we're trying to do. And so that's really the main reason. That we're Stoke to be in boulder. we're we're can't be more perfect in our in our eyes. And are you aware of any other concepts like this like Rod sale? Any area.

[107:01] No. I wanna talk a little bit about alcohol service specifically. So as as a bar is there any sort of you know host, stand for seating, or is it all you know and patrons enter. Is it all open seating? We typically have the. We have a checkout counter at the at the very entrance of every store, and they greet greet customers and give them the rundown. but yeah, we did. The seating is first come first. Serve at the bar, and a few seats in the bar area. And is all alcohol service done at the bar. Or do you have staff that like takes orders, you know, throughout the location all done at the bar? And I know you have a patio at this location. How is that patio going to be enclosed? It's already enclosed. It's it's taking over a former. Ted's a Montana grill. It's already have as a steel fence around it. Now. okay. And do you know approximately how tall that fence is? I think it's

[108:08] 40 inches tall. And does that have, like an emergency exit gate? Or is it an entrance and execute? It has an emergency exit gate? Okay, and will you have signage on that gate informing patients that they're not allowed to exit the premises with an alcoholic beverage. And do you have similar signage anywhere else at the premises. at at, in boulder or other locations. At this location. Yeah. And is that like near near any other exits of this premises. Yes. aye. on the alcohol service, if well, what's your training procedure like for your employees? We we we like having tips but we, we go above and beyond. And we require surf safe as well. So we we'd have both areas covered. And it is required before your first day of work.

[109:06] Okay, and have you hired any staff for this location yet? No, we have not. Okay. How large of a staff do you anticipate having here 12 to 14. Okay, and again, all of those will be trained. Or will there be some that don't handle alcohol? Every single person is trained. Okay. I know you had. You said you have the serve save training. Do you have any other kind of in-house training or you know employee manual, or something like that for your employees. And do you regularly kind of reiterate those practices with those employees all the time? As it relates to when a patron wants to order an alcoholic beverage. what is the the company's policy on asking for ids? Anybody that looks younger than a hundred. And what if someone wants to order multiple drinks when they're at the bar? One card per id.

[110:07] I mean one time. Okay? And then do you have those patrons come to the bar? Or is there a way to kind of like check? You know who the other ages in the group or the Ids in the group. Sorry they can't buy a drink for another person. Okay? And how? How does your staff monitor kind of consumption of alcohol and making sure patients on hand off drinks is as someone's wandering around the the business. well, we don't serve th. The the average drink is one per per customer. So we don't usually have an issue with over consumption. But anybody who has intoxicated is completely asked to leave the store immediately. Okay, and then, when a patron orders, a drinking is sitting out on the patio, is there a kind of line of sight from inside to view that patio, or do you like? Have Seth stand out on the patio while they're out there?

[111:09] There is a line of sight. There is a glass door that you can see from the bar to that area, and then there is a sales associate slash bar back that is constantly monitoring everywhere we serve. And again, not required. But do you have any cameras or other systems to help your staff monitor? What's going on in the premises. We have more cameras than most people, just because we have merchandise as well. And it's a standard practice for us to utilize those in every, everywhere possible. Those are all the questions I have for you. The licensing authority may have some follow up. Thanks, Chancellor Sampson. emergency atari. Any questions?

[112:00] I have a question. I'm looking through your website and stuff. And I don't see anything about food anywhere. Is that new to boulder. No, we we have. We started off with chips and salsa and we're actually rolling out a brand new menu in all locations hopefully in the next, like 2 to 3 weeks. It might be done sooner. But that's why you don't see it. I'm wondering in the packet. He does he? They do present a menu here. Page 206 I guess I'll follow with my questions here. You said kind of 11 to 10, and and I'm looking at what you put in the package. Here, you you have a tab. You're applying for a tavern license at this moment, and then that that gives you in the pack. You said you 11 to 11, and then to to midnight on the weekends, are, you gonna have like a fluctuating hour. Are you guys gonna have like an hours operation set, or just gonna kind of fill it out.

[113:03] I think Field outs the best way to go. I mean, we've we've talked a lot of community members. Everyone's telling us that. You know, we're on the East Pearl side. It's pretty sleepy. Been down there a couple of times. You can see the stars clearly from from on the east side of Pearl Street so hopefully that changes with all the activity that is happening. And you know we're we're not a late night bar at all. We're we're a daytime oasis. Yeah. It seems that way at the resell component and the menu looks that way as well. But I'm not seeing again the liquor policy or training in this packet. Am I missing it somewhere. You see it. Any other members of the board just aware that that was part of the part of the packet. Am I missing it. Do you see it, Michael? No, no. no, we. We did not include the Employee manual with the packet, but, like the previous applicants, were glad to provide it same thing with the training. Yeah.

[114:02] yes, yes. Once they go through the training. right? Cause you guys are, gonna do the build out, and then you'll have to hire people and train them, and then, I think, would kinda go some down the same road with these last applicants. Just as you're getting this going. Just understanding the rules around our CC day rule here in the city of Boulder, getting people trained within 60 days of their hire. And then also getting involved with our really important. That's a great group. And Nathan Dewey is. Gonna speak here later. Encourage you to hang out here what he has to say, but he is someone you should reach out to to be a part part of this group of responsible retailers. that's all I had for the for this packet. What a cool concept, though I will say that. Oh, thanks! II had one question for you, Mr. Sampson. Could you help me understand? Will patrons be allowed to carry their alcohol beverages throughout the store like outside of like we'll be able to walk through the racks and like drink and shop the same idea, or will be limited to a specific area.

[115:06] No, it's it's that's the whole concept. Right? Okay? So, obviously given, that boulder is a college town. There's a lot of underage kids who may be looking for upcycled gear like, what's your plan to prevent someone from purchasing a drink for themselves, and then bring it to some back of the store, handing it off to a friend, something of that nature? well, I mean, it's a small space. So you can't really, you can really see everything and everyone who is gonna try to order a drink will be id'd and if hate to be discriminatory. But if someone looks really really young and see a drink in their hand. They're gonna be asked to leave or present an id to prove their age. But hopefully those people can still shop and still be a part of it all. 21 to get in. It's not that kind.

[116:03] I guess. I was imagining that. Okay. no, I mean, if you were to come to our Denver location. It's mostly strollers and moms from it's it's I'm not joking. It's our our biggest demographic is mothers. Okay? Yeah, so like my recommendation be, and I understand small location. My recommendation would be just to make sure that your employees are aware that you know. Obviously, there's a lot of college kids. And and just just be doubly aware of that, since someone could, there's more potential for someone to do like a handoff of a drink. Sure we have a lot at stake with this company, and we we don't want any hassle with that awesome glad to hear it. Any other questions from members of the authority. No, but someone like to make a motion to approve. I mean, I actually, I would like to make the motion to approve contingent on us receiving the alcohol policy as well as the training materials.

[117:02] And what do you plan to open, Mr. Sampson? Well, our construction was contingent upon this hearing. So if it's approved, chas can send over the the the materials, and it's a pretty pretty pretty minimal workload. So I, you know, yesterday would be my answer. But yeah, we're missing a little bit of the Deion Sanders era here. So so as soon as possible as soon as construction is finished. Okay? So then, I would say, like this before you open like, we would like to have those training materials and the we. We have all that already, so that that can be done today. Perfect. Okay. I will second vice chair. Car's motion to approve this new license with the condition that we will receive those materials. Before they open their doors.

[118:03] Thank you all all in favor. Member Carr. Aye. remember, Absalom, I Member Roberts. Aye. hmm. License approved. Thank you, guys, we're excited to be there. But like ours. Thank you. I agree. I'm excited to see this over there. The East Pole needs the light. We got it. I hope we were the spark. Okay, guys, thank you so much. and I will. I'll reach out. We're reaching out to that. Retail. Ca, committee as well, you guys, you guys know. Yeah. And he'll be on. He'll be on this hearing shortly, I believe. Okay. thank you. Alright. Let me get a room where we're supposed to be. I'll be privy to.

[119:00] I have mister Dewey is available and we're gonna have him. There is he is coming in. So we're gonna jump back up real quick to agenda. Item 3, which is manners from responsible association of retailers. and I will hand it over to David. Hey? Can you hear me? Okay, I don't know. My ear buds just decided to not work now. Sorry I can't see myself. One sec. That's weird. You can't see. Alright, hey? Guys? Good to see all. Sorry I wasn't here last month. I know this year's kind of been weird. I just wanted to first address things as far as why I've missed. I mean, as Mike knows, I know with you, Representative Carr and Roberts. You're newer to me. II never miss meetings.

[120:07] Just so, you know, like and make. I always make it a prior to be here. I think I missed one a year due to vacation or sickness, or something. Since 2019. So just on a quick personal note. I'm getting divorced. So my life is kind of a little bit different right now, and the reason I was late today is because I had to pick my boys up from school. So some Wednesdays there's potential. I may not show up for, like the first 1015 min of the meeting. Just so, you all know. If you want to push me back a little further, I will. I don't think it'll be a problem a lot. But you know, occasionally you have traffic and things like this. And obviously I don't want to be talking to. I'm driving so that's just a little forewarning there other than that. All I can say is, membership is growing. it feels like it's pre 2020 again in my trip tips trainings. I'm literally packed last time I had 10 extra people show up that didn't even sign up, which we always accommodate. But it gets a little crowded, but that's why we're back in the library full time. I've scheduled out the library throughout the year. So that shouldn't be really an issue unless they move me around which they do occasionally. So that's great. We can hold up to 70 people.

[121:20] And right now I'm pushing numbers of about 35 40, which was which was about the Max before before Covid. So that's really positive news for us. Just completely trained. A whole restaurant yesterday. I was down in Boulder yesterday and just trained the full restaurant right there because there were like 25 people. So instead of filling up my normal class. I just am now back to doing them in person in restaurants, which is really cool. Because I also get to see the layout of the restaurant, and we can talk about certain things or location of the restaurant. So it's rally. It's really, actually a unique opportunity for me to train folks within their own environment to help them think about

[122:02] the precautions they can take, the dangers they may not think about and other than that, I'd say the one big thing that we're pushing right now is we're still working on a Patron safety training packet as soon as I have some volunteers for that. I will get you guys that packet for approval for a certification. And then I plan to do another fake id training with folder. Pd. Because the last one was good. But I want a bigger turnout next time. and so that'll probably happen in October before the big holiday season starts, probably first or second week of October, and then also. Last Monday I went before C lab, your counterparts for marijuana licensing eventually. Just let them know the good work we're doing in the collaboration we have. So if you ever get to talk to those folks, if you don't mind just letting them know the relationship. Rer and Bla and the city of Boulder have had. I know our granters talk to them beforehand like the month before me. So once they get up in licensing it'd be great to be working with them as well. But II wanna start doing that now. So I kinda approached them and gave them a presentation of what we're doing. Which leads me to the final thing. The biggest thing we're really pushing in the boulder community right now amongst the members.

[123:16] especially when I'm doing tips trainings and the member meetings is just the just the service of alcohol with people who are already, or have already consumed marijuana or cannabis, whatever you want to call it's becoming an issue where even lawn law Enforcement's kind of focusing more on it. I wanna say, that's why it's becoming more of an issue. Not that it hasn't always been around for a while, but also people feel brave like they can just smoke their vapins outside of a a members location. So we're really starting to approach on how to how to handle those situations and how to just understand that serving someone who has consumed cannabis and admits to it and or you can tell which is pretty bad. If they're that high. You cannot serve them alcohol, because even a lot of the servers don't understand that.

[124:07] It's not something they think about when they're like, you know, you're not allowed to serve someone who's drunk. Well, you're not allowed to serve anybody who's who's visibly intoxicated is what the law says. It's visibly, visibly intoxicated person. And so that's when in the training, some like it's crack, it's smack. It's coke. It doesn't matter right. If it's an intoxicant, you cannot serve alcohol on top of that. So vice versa. We'll be doing that with the cannabis members, because you know, came back from a concert and in red rocks, and then stop by green solutions with my buddy. And literally 80% of the people in there were wasted at 100'clock at night getting sold marijuana. So that's something that I think we can come together on both sides of of the retail chain of cannabis and and alcohol, and and under really conform to not selling or serving these substances on top of one another, or when someone is visibly intoxicated. So that's that's my big campaign for the next month or 2. And yeah, other than that, if you all have any questions for me, please let me know.

[125:08] I just wanna say what you're saying right now is so important. To this community of young people coming into serving and understanding. And it's not like you said, not just marijuana, but that's the real rule, right? If someone appears visibly intoxicated on anything, you are not allowed to serve them. That should be neither marijuana nor alcohol. Right? If you're retailer in our community. So thank you for bringing that to our community, it means a lot. It's something that I personally have experience with. I've I've seen people on marijuana and then have one sip of a beer, and then things change. So really, really stoked to have you doing that. And I also wanna say I have some personal people coming to me about what you're doing on the marijuana side in our community. So thank you. Let's so. I mean, it's kind of like, you know, I'm the new. I'm the new guy in town again.

[126:32] Thanks for being here. I think we prefer at least 3 people to join Ari this week. No, there's some interesting stuff coming into town that, Mr. Sampson, that last one, that man I'm in my stomach row, I'm like, oh, we have sounds good. Let's check that place out. Thank you. Yup, thank you. Nice day. Then. alright, take care, guys. thanks, Evan.

[127:02] Next we have agenda. I have 11 attorney, and I believe Christian have some things for you everybody? I just had a couple of updates the first update is that the ordinance changing the art gallery, permit language and so on. To retail establishment, permit language and rules, and so on. That passed on second reading unanimously on August third. And so from here, on out we'll see. Be seeing you know that retail establishment permit instead of the art gallery. Permit. The other update and request that I have for you all is about tastings permits and fermented malt beverage and wine retailer licenses. Proposition 1 25 went into effect on March first, right 2023.

[128:00] And so now, fermented malt beverage and wine retailers can do tastings in addition to retail. Oh, my gosh! I'm gonna forget my terminology retail liquor, liquor, licenses and liquor license. Direct stores, I believe, are the other 2 that were previously allowed. and so one of the things that just administrative things is that we mentioned those 2 previous previously allowed license types in the rules regarding tastings. But with this addition of the new license type allowed to do that. It would be a good idea to update the rules of procedure to reflect that change. And there is one small section and the rules of procedure for the bla that addresses, that is, section 3. Dash 6. Excuse me, and it just has a reference to I'll I'll pull that up really fast.

[129:04] It just has a reference to retail liquor stores and liquor license drugstores. And my recommendation, and request for you all is to move to recommend to city council that we just remove that reference to retail liquor stores and liquor license drug stores from that section 3, 6, and update the rules that way. I'm happy to answer questions. So from your email, which I did read and thank you for the the explanation. It sounds like that we we have chosen at this point not to permit those stores to allow tasting tastings. But we're technically not permitted to prohibit those stores like we. It's either has to be blanket all or not. Right. Yeah, that's right. So basically, the way it it works is that in situations like this, where we have us

[130:01] matter of statewide concern, right? Alcohol, licensing for the local jurisdictions we're allowed to regulate, but only if there's something specific and state law saying that, hey, local jurisdiction, you can regulate these things. So here we're allowed to regulate number of hours. a a and a couple of other things, but prohibiting like a allowing one license type to do tastings. But another license type to not isn't within our authority for this. for this matter. So yeah, that's right. Okay? And should, if it. Should we then set? So are we allowed to set different hours or rules, types of licenses where they all have to be the same hours and rules for all licenses. I would say that it's not

[131:00] completely totally clear in the law whether or not we can like vary that. But my conservative advice would be to make it the same for everybody. a a. And that would have to be done by City Council in the ordinance, allowing tastings, and not by the I mean, the bla can certainly make a recommendation right? For a code change. But ultimately that would have to go in the ordinance, because what the law says is that local jurisdictions can pass an ordinance allowing those things, and in the ordinance you can have stricter hours or you know. days that it's allowed, or or something like that. so so that's how it would work. We would have to make a recommendation first, and then city council would have to consider it. And ultimately it would be up to them to approve that or not.

[132:00] Okay. So does that make sense for us? We have to make you have to come up with the recommendation for City Council. That's that's our action. Item. Well, so so tonight, what I'm what I'm asking for is just the kind of essentially administrative. Change to the rules to remove the reference to retail liquor stores and liquor license, drug stores. As it relates to tastings in section 3, 6, in the rules that way, we just say it will just say, as to tastings, all servers must complete a server and sell their training program, and so on and so forth. Instead of calling out retail liquor stores or any other specific license in that section. That's my request for you. If you all wanted to have as a discussion item at some point, you know, restrictions on tastings that you wanna recommend. I'd say, let's schedule that for a different meeting. But the request tonight is specifically for that.

[133:01] change to the rules and to make a motion to recommend that city council. I'll make a motion to recommend your request to city council. remember absent would second that motion all in favor. Member Carr. Aye. ravs. Lemon member Roberts. Aye. thank you. Guys. Do you have any other questions on those matters for me, or anything else that I can help clarify or anything. Nothing. Yeah, specifically, I just think that maybe as a authority. We should consider if we want to allow. You know, or if we wanna set some guidelines around tastings and that that sort of thing given that retail stores are now included. And it's not just liquor liquor stores. So there may be some differences in hours and operating hours and things like that.

[134:01] Yeah. So if you guys let us you know, let me or the licensing staff know if you'd like that discussion on a future meeting, then we can certainly. put that on an agenda where you know, we don't have too many other hearings or things like that. Okay, that's a good idea. Yeah, alright. So if you should do that, would you? Would you agree with that, Mike? As well? Yeah, okay. alright. And then one related thing that I wanted to just bring up and get your feedback on is with these changes to the rules of procedure for the bla the last to right. Related to retail establishment permits. And this one regarding tastings. They're really very minor. Kind of just clerical updates and everything. And it made me think about just the process for approving changes to the rules of procedure. And so I

[135:09] II just want to get feedback at this point just to feel it out. But, If we ever wanted to pursue having the rules of procedure approved just by the licensing authority, would that be something that you guys are in favor of, or just what are your thoughts about that? Generally? Just my experience on the board. We would take something like that to the retreat. and and then that would. Then we would kind of prescribe our next steps around what we thought to bring to council if we were to do at that point. Just kind of how I've noticed that happen. I know that. Both Member Carr. Remember, Roberts. haven't been around as long as I have but once we you know what I'd ask you, Christian, if we could. I think a member California would be a huge asset to these discussions, as we talk about some changes because he is the vet

[136:05] so if we can kind of table some of these things the next month when he's available. I think that might be for us. That's that's completely fine. I can remember to bring that up next time this, this most recent question about the rules changes and everything. I'm more than happy to do that. Can I ask you something about last month. What was going on with? Was there a motion in the State Senate to change the hours of operation in terms of like extending? How late bars can be open through the State. Would that be through the liquor, like the advisory committee, Kristen? But I know that I know that there is a rules around that like you said for municipality, local jurisdictions. But I thought that there was something that you had mentioned last month around that changing around Christmas, and then around hours of operation.

[137:01] I heard a rumor about this. so I think Kristen probably has the best update for you about that I'll let her talk speak to that point. Thank you. I think what you're recalling is the presentation that Officer Dennig provided on the Liquor Advisory group discussions. So the State Liquor Enforcement Division has formed the Slicker Advisory group, and they are discussing exactly what you described. Allowing liquor licenses to be open on Christmas and potentially extending their hours of operation. Along with a large range of other discussions that they're having. I'm not sure the outcome of that if the Advisory group does decide to make that recommendation, that it will be just a recommendation to the State legislature, and then it will need to go through that process before anything becomes effective. Thank you so much, Kristen. That was definitely what was in my notes, and that's what it was, and it was not in the actual State legislature.

[138:06] We will keep you posted, though, if it doesn't get to that level it is, there's actually some pretty large changes that are being discussed right now. That would really impact us at the local level. So once we get a little more clarity around what those final recommendations are. We'll we'll share those with the board. That's Kristen. I'm sure. Sure you're where Kristen, but I've been following proposals 20 A and B which I think talk generally about like bianual renewals and and changing some things around that. And I was curious. If you you are all aware of that as well. And if there was going to be any input, that you would request from us whether that would be to either make a statement on that. Or if you want any suggestions from us on that. Yeah. thank you. I appreciate that. We did provide some comments on those proposals already. Only because the due date was before this hearing and we wanted to get them in. So

[139:10] our position generally at the city is that we're posing some of those proposals to switch to biannual renewal cycle and switch to concurrent review of renewal applications. We feel like that would add a lot of confusion to the process. For licenses to have to work with both the State and the local licensing authorities as opposed to having everything routed through the local licensing authority as we are now. So that was generally the feedback that we provided. But if this board does have any comments that you'd like to provide. I'm happy to collect those and make sure they get submitted to the the liquor Advisory group as well. I mean, I don't wanna speak for it here. But I will say this, I will certainly acquiesce to licensing

[140:01] understanding of this. You guys are the best ones that go through this, I think what your recommendation is probably the one that I would personally endorse. So what you're saying, I think you guys go through you. You understand more of this process than I think anyone. So II would endorse whatever city license is going with on this. Yeah, and have any additional comments. I just you know. Wanted to understand kind. I guess what the city was thinking about it, and I think one of my concerns was just biannual renewals, and I'm glad to hear the city is opposed to that, and it's made their opposition known. Thank you. We'll absolutely keep you posted as we as that progresses and whatever the outcome may be, we'll we'll keep the board updated. Thanks. you guys, Rock. that's everything from me, too. You guys.

[141:07] Okay, next you have agenda. Item 12, which is management licensing quick. We do have quite a few boundary settings. Today. So we'll just get going on those. The first applications for the September twentieth hearing is CST. Metro, Llc. Dba. Circle K. Number 2, 7, 4, 1, 1 1 0, or a permanent modification of a permitted want, beverage and line of retail off premise, type, liquor, license, application. Yeah. 2, 9, 9, 5, 30, street Bro, boulder, Colorado, 8, 0 3, 0 one I was able to take suggested boundaries. From the original application. At this location. and that is north is Iris Avenue, south or Rapa Hill Avenue.

[142:02] East Forty-seventh Street. West Nineteenth Street. and I'm sorry I please pulled up. So this is the first one you said East Manchester. East Forty-seventh West 19 West 19, I'd make a motion to approve those boundaries. Yeah, I'll second that motion. Alright. Thank you. Next we have Circle case stores Inc Dva circle case store 2, 7, 0 9, 8, 5, one for a permanent modification of a fermented malt beverage in line, retail license, application at 1 4, 8 0 Canyon, Boulevard Boulder, Colorado, 8 0 3 0 2

[143:12] suggestive boundaries are from the original application, and they are Boston, then on the North Boston to Edgewood South University extended East Folsom Street, West City limits. And this is what let me check. I'm okay with this limits. Remember, Absalom. Second. before we go any further. Can I just ask this? Maybe this is a Kristen question, or maybe a Christiana question. But these are all Circle KZ. Doing modifications. Do. We can't see any of this until we actually see this like, are these all administrative?

[144:04] No, they're permanent modifications. So that you yeah, you'll hear that next month. I believe that they're adding storage to include storage for more, one that makes sense and Kristen Tik took these applications. She's the intake work for them, so I haven't had a good chance to look at them, but I believe in person. See if she has more information. She can give it to you, but believe that's their intention. I I that is correct. What Caitlin Kellogg just said is correct. Sorry, guys, I'm I've been working with Kristin. Take on that as well. That's exactly what they're doing with these circle K per minute Mods. Thank you. Awesome and third one is circle case store is Inc. Dva. Circle case store 2, 7, 0 9, 8, 6, one for a permanent modification of a fermented malt beverage, a one retail license application.

[145:14] 2, 8, 7, 7, 6, 9, road boulder, Colorado, 8, 0 3, 0 3, and the boundaries from the original application as well, and that is a wrap. A whole avenue on the north table, Mesa on the staff foothills perplex on the east and Ninth Street on the west. and I believe this is a month is pretty zone 3. But around is up here and let me get you our table. Mesa. Hmm! Down here.

[146:04] Look good to me. I'm a member problem making much new wraps on 1 s. Thank you. Next we have circle case stores, ink, dB, 8, circle case story number 2, 7, 0 9, 8, 6, 5 for a permanent modification of a preventive month beverage and wine retail on premise. That clicker license application at 3 0 4 0 Bradley Street, boulder, Colorado. 8,304 suggestive boundaries are from the original application as well, and that is Kalina on the north, Mapleton on the South Nineteenth street on the east city limits on the west. and there's 2, but this one is the Circle K for Ya. remember, absolutely make a motion to approve those boundaries.

[147:03] I recall we'll second that. thank you. And next we have our fifth one here. There was a typo on the agenda on this, and my apologies. It should read circle case stores in Dba circle case store number 2, 7, 0 9, 8, 6, 6, or a permanent modification of a fermented month beverage and line retail license application at 3, 1, 8, 5, 28 street boulder, Colorado, 8 0 3 0 one suggested boundaries are from the original application. and they are Kalima on the north. Pearl on the South Parkway, on the east, Nineteenth Street on the west. I'll make a motion to approve this member absent with a second.

[148:02] 2 more. Our next one is CST, Metro, LCD, Deva circle case door number 2, 7, 4, 4, 0 5, 7 for a permanent modification of a fermented license. Application. At 188-48-0302 the suggested boundaries are from a month vacation of premise from 2,018, and those are Belmont, on the north. Arapaho, on the south, Thirtieth Street, on the east, Twentieth Street on the West. And then again, there was a address typo for this particular application on the app agenda as well. But it should be 1, 8, 4, 4 member. I will make a motion to approve those boundaries. Remember out some seconds.

[149:03] And last, one is not perfect. Okay, it's for older broker and LCD broker, zoom, hub, slash bottom of the rocks for a new hotel restaurant type, with their license application at 5 5, 5, Thirtieth Street, boulder, Colorado, 8, 0 3 0 3, and the suggested boundaries I took from Cobelliza folder. and those are marine extended on the north table, Mason to Broadway, on the South Foothills Parkway, on the east and Broadway to region extended on the west, and then for perfect Corelli's is right up here, and this is the location of the business. What was from the north on the Northern marine extended. Where is Marina extended? Yeah, that's what I was wondering. That seems east, doesn't it?

[150:04] This is a big one, kinda because the broker in kinda had a pretty famous rep and I think we wanna get the community involved and make sure we extend this out to. So we're going to foothills. There, at least see that I think that gets that whole community there. But what about farther towards the West there, what? What's our west boundary Broadway to Regent accepted. I would suggest, maybe going farther west. What do you think, Mike. to get whatever we can get in that community towards University Hill there. Cause that's, I think, important. I agree, I think, at least Ninth Street, because there's a big part, you know, big neighborhood. That's like, right there. They're asking for a hotel restaurant type license right next to the Dark Horse and that neighborhood should get extended, I think a little farther into the lower Chitacro neighborhood.

[151:09] Do it just State City limit on the West. I think we should go as far as we can for that one. If I mean. how far can we go? I could see on our left. I agree with Member Car. I think we should go if we can't go to city limits that way, we should. Okay. It's up to the Board's discretion. If you want to go to city limits. I think we should member Carr with your recommendation. I think we should go pretty far into that neighborhood if it's city limits city limits. I think that makes sense. Yeah, I'm sorry. Could you remind me what the South was again? Cause II forgot to say, table mesa. research or bracket? Yeah. So. And where was Maureen on the north. I didn't.

[152:01] I'm not sure. Let me know if you see it. do we just wanna say I don't know. Do you wanna say. what is? Yeah, what? Yeah. What gets us through all of campus. all that part of town cause, Maureen. I'm looking at another map that takes you down towards like we're off of Wrap ho! Like where Snarf Burger is essentially okay. far down East. Mike and my, the neighborhoods I really wanna be involved in in this discussion, I think, are the ones that were that we're getting close to the university. So I think to your point. Remember, car, I think we're fine in the South. We go West City limits, and then we're we're there, marine. I think that gets us there.

[153:00] I think that the baseline sub community. There is all encompassing that. Right? Okay, as long as they're encompassed in that. Yeah. I just wanna see that. Yeah. Cause that takes you right cause. Marine is farther down. So that's I'd like to. I mean, I'd like to even go. Yeah, I guess that's enough. No. Do you tell me. Well, I was gonna say, because you could look at it like across the whole way, so I almost would like to go a little bit north of that, and just go up to like Boulder. Can you scroll your map a little bit just like a little bit higher, just like right before we get into downtown. So we, what is that like where the buff is? Yeah, I see, like Folsom area. But that's not. We could say, what if we said, hmm. yeah, where is where is that? What she is up on is that canyon? This is Perl. I'm sorry. After like scrolling, so I can see what

[154:07] canyon that seems appropriate to me just to get all the Gos Grove in that whole neighborhood in there. I think that I think that I think that's appropriate. Yeah, sorry call. I would. I would second that. Do we have the the streets again lined up so you can just double check that we got it right. We're keeping the table needs to Broadway on the cell. We're using foothills, Parkway on the east, and we're extending the western city limits. That sounds right to me. I'll make a motion to approve those boundaries. I'll second that motion. Okay, thanks so much. And then next, we have our expected administrative processing number with our license transfer application. We talked about this earlier, but that there is one for and then there was no distilleries, and you have your special event place. And

[155:08] II did have a question for you. All would do. Would you like to see those training materials that you're requesting from some of the applicants today in your next packet? Or whenever they provide them? Or are you okay with city licensing, taking them. If you want to see them. I'm happy to put them in your packets. It's like thought on. This is, if we see them, and they're not like comprehensive or enough. Then I think that might be, yeah, I think there'll be comprehensive. But say, they're not comprehensive enough. Then we have the opportunity to call them back, or, since you already approve today. we wouldn't really have that until the next renewal. I'll see if Clinton knows the answer to that one. Well, I think around that when we we put a condition around it right? So like, if we say they did not meet the condition, therefore, that what we approved is not approved because they didn't meet the condition.

[156:05] I think we maybe should see him. We didn't say that we had to see them to approve them. We just said they had to. They just have to be there. and II mean, I trust, every single person licensing to look at that and say, that's okay. And obviously, if you look at that at from your perspective and licensing and say, Hey, it's not comprehensive in a sense, just for the even the training. Then would that spark? A show calls for you guys to set up them up? Is that the rules of procedure for us. Yeah, that's a good question. At this point we've got a license condition that they need to provide those materials within a certain amount of time. If they do not provide those materials, then that could be grounds for in order to show cause if they do provide the materials. I'm not sure. If, in order to show calls would be appropriate if we felt like

[157:02] that, for some reason they weren't adequate, I think. The next step in that case would be that we would present those materials to the board which we're happy to do in any event. But I think if if there was a question. We present those to the board, and then you all could decide. If you felt like you know, more information was needed, or some back steps needed to be taken. Yeah, I think Member Roberts made the right point. We didn't really say that we were. Gonna see them in front of us. We're gonna send us a licensing. So yes, I think that's a great plan of action. If if they're in in some way not complete in your sense, that can then trigger an option for us to look at them. But I do think this is an interesting kind of discovery and opportunity uncovered today. And I don't think. and perhaps having a review or policy around their policies and what we are expecting. Perhaps maybe at one of our retreats, or something we can

[158:06] start putting guidelines in. But I would also be curious to know what Previous Council has done. Has anybody ever approved people's policies? I guess I would need more background on that as well. If you look at their packets when they're when they're getting the form from licensing, it's asking for proof of training. So those people who are going through construction components, they still have a requirement to prove to us they have proof of training. Right? So that's that's in there. There is also a question in that exact filing form that says, What is your liquor policy so like we have the mandate to ask them what's going on with that. you know, as that is our mandate to to enforce Colorado State law, but also the city of Boulder. We ask those questions from them. So if they're not providing that information, we're responsible to say, where is that?

[159:06] This is a unique hearing to have? I mean, we literally have what 3 not have that those things. And that's why we have to talk to them about all right, and they would have been administrative. They had all their ducks in a row there. So yeah, III think you're right. I think we should talk more about this. And again, II really acquiesce to. To Matthew. Matthew Calipano has more experience than any of us 3. Yeah. he might be able to help us a lot around how we navigate these waters, but it is kind of a bummer to see people come up with. We're looking at their application, and we're requiring them to bring that. And then we have to say, now, after we were putting conditional approvals on their renewals, it's like you're adding more work for these amazing people in our licensing. How is you? You're making more work for everyone. So that's a bummer.

[160:02] Yeah, I mean, it partly wants to like even just deny it, because they're not in compliance. but I also like I wanna like strike a balance between like compliance and like creating so much additional work for everyone, cause. It's still additional work. For our licensing. You know, city boulders staff, that they have to come back for another meeting, too. I think it's also okay, to have anomalies like, maybe today was just like they just all lined up. And they each had like a fairly good excuse. So could it just been like today's package. And you know, we're kind of coming out of that kind of Covid haze of people like, Hey, there's this is the reason why. And things are crazy. You know, life happens. But you know again, like our mandate is to stop hold the rules and so what is the policy a city policy around and establishments. Liquor policy do we have does it? Is it approve like when we say, Is it adequate like, what does that mean.

[161:08] do they? You'd have to reference the bla rules on that. But to to that point essentially, in a licensing application, in a, in an application, and ask you for your liquor policy. Right? Our job to say, Hey, is that up to the standard based on our mandate to represent the the laws of the city of Boulder and the color State liquor code and all those things. But I think the reason we hear that a lot around here is because we are very cognizant of establishments who do like when they don't have something in place. Things go bad, and we have a community that has a history of bad things happening around alcohol also. I think that's why, like you hear that a lot like as you as you like start hearing us go through that because you look at responsible establishments. They have a bulletproof policy, and like they hammer at home with their teams. And then do you look at the places like.

[162:04] you know, some places like, even like, that's why I want us. I almost wanna see what's gonna happen with some of the like, especially like the place that's going in on 29. I wanna see that. Yeah, I'll see. You know. So I think we're you're you're again. You're striking a balance right? And and that's that's why you're appointed by city Council. You are. You are the to to represent the community. So II really thank you guys, and especially Michael, great job. thanks for your support. I am actually in the process of revamping our checklist for applications. And previously. The the training wasn't app like a part of the checklist. It was like a sub part of a different part of a requirement. So I created its own separate thing line where it they will have to check.

[163:06] Yeah, it was previously like a sub like, what am I trying to say? It was part of a different part of the checklist requirement. But now it would be its help requirement. Hopefully. That won't happen again. Cool. If Kristen doesn't have anything else. I will move on to agenda. Item 13, Madison chair and members of the authority. I don't have anything. It's been. It's been great with you guys, you know I'm I'm on the way out here. So On leaving the country in November so I will be here next month. But I will have to tender my very resignation because I don't think I can. Can I zoom into this from Mexico or no? No, I have to be in the city of all right. I do. I'm I am subletting. So I'm maybe I'll talk to you guys about that. I'll I'll get with the city attorney about how that works.

[164:03] Yeah. My. yeah, go ahead. Oh, sorry, Caitlin. I was. Gonna say, Christiana had to jump off the call, but I would like to connect you with her? Because I think that's a really good question. I think it comes down to where your residency is. Not where you're necessarily physically located for the meeting. But I think that's a really good question for the city attorney's office. If you'd like, I can send an email and kind of get that conversation going. sure, and I'm happy to to get that ball rolling as well. Just on my end. But yeah, that's all I have to say. Unless he has everything else, I will make a motion to adjourn. I will second that motion to adjourn. I'll favor that all right. Thank you all so much. Have a good one.