March 15, 2023 — Beverage Licensing Authority Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:03] All right Call to order the beverages licensing authority, hearing for Wednesday, March fifteenth, 2,023 at 3 Pm. Thank you very much chair. California. The first item on our agenda today is instructions for virtual hearing, and I will share my screen and read the rules of decorum. Okay. the city has engaged with community members to co-create a vision for productive, meaningful, and inclusive civic conversations This vision supports physical and emotional safety for community members staff and board commission members as well as democracy. For people of all ages identities lived experiences and political perspectives. More about this vision and the projects, community engagement process can be found here at Bolter, Colorado, Gov. Slash Surfaces productive atmospheres.

[1:04] The following are examples of rules of decorum found in the boulder device, code, and will, and other guidelines that support this vision. These will be upheld. During this meeting all remarks and testimony shall be limited to matters related to city business. No participants shall make threats or use other forms of intimidation against any person. Obscenity, racial epithets, and other speech, the end behavior that disrupts or otherwise impedes the ability, conduct to the meeting are prohibited. Participants are required to sign up, to speak, using the name they are commonly known by, and if it and individuals must display their whole name before being allowed to speak online currently. Only audio testimony is permitted online. I do notice some people in our in our waiting list. Have some initials on there at this time. If you could please rename yourself to your full name, we would greatly appreciate it. Thank you very much.

[2:01] Okay. Continuing with agenda, hydro number One is to member roll call, and if you can please speak your presence aloud. Remember Epsilon. remember absolute present. Remember. Car check Alfono. Member California present. Remember Roberts Member Roberts present and Member Wallace. Member Wallace President. Thank you very much. We have a quorum of 5 today with all members present. The next item under agenda. Item number one is the approval of the minutes from the February fifteenth 2,023 Bla hearing anybody have any changes or edits to the men, and since they stand not seeing any, is there a motion? The motion to approve the minutes? I second. All right, all right. all in favor, say I'm in for California. I

[3:02] number absolute mine. Remember Wallace, I and her car will abstain. Member Roberts. I Thank you very much. Motion passes. Okay. Continuing with the general item, Number one is hearing issues, hearing agenda issues from a licensing clerk. This is just mentioning that earlier today bla members would have received an in exhibits from for agenda. Item Number 6 exhibit one, which is a further information in regards to the kitchen's application. Thank you very much. Continuing with agenda. Item number 2 is matters from the Boulder Police Department. However, I do not see that Officer Denig is is present.

[4:01] Kristen, we have you. Did you ever were you able to hear from Officer Dennis to know if you would be present today? I did speak with him, and he was planning to attend. So i'd like to request that we allow Officer Jenning to speak later in the meeting, if he's able to attend a later later time if the Board is control of that. Yes, I think that's fine. Alright, Thank you so very much. Similarly for agenda. Item number 3. I see that Mr. Nathan Dewey is not. It's not present in my communication with him. Part to this meeting. I didn't hear anything from him, so there is a possibility that he would not be present today. Would you like to circle back for later on to see if you tense? Yeah, I think that's the best route. Okay. thank you very much. Continuing with agenda. Item Number 4 is general public comments for the beverage licensing authority.

[5:03] If any member of the public is in attendance to make comment for a future agenda. Item, please do so at this time. If you could please raise your hand, you can find that in the reactions option within Zoom. You can raise your hand if you wish to make a public comment. Doesn't look like we're seeing any. I don't see anybody either. And I also just see how Officer Dennis just came into the waiting room. We can circle back to his agenda. Item right now. Perfect.

[6:09] Alright, Good afternoon, Officer Dennik. I'm sorry to put you on the spot so quickly. But would you be? Would you be available for us to call your agenda item. Now. yeah, Sorry I had trouble getting on the No, no problem. Thank you very much for joining us today, Officer Danny, if you could please. Just state your name for the record, please. Rich Dedic. Thank you so very much. I don't I don't really have anything for the agenda. Lately I've been working quite a bit on some tobacco issues which is sort of a side duty that I would have. We don't have a dedicated tobacco officer, so we've been working quite a bit on a couple of those problems

[7:02] lately, but I don't have anything for the authority today. There any questions for any members of the board for Officer Denig Member Absolute. Yeah, I just had one. I just was wondering if there's anything in place, or is there any concerns around St. Patrick's Day, this weekend. I know that we don't have that parade anymore in town. But I was wondering if there is anything changing from an enforcement perspective for this weekend, or are we expecting anything to happen? This weekend is my question. I have not seen anything as far as any sort of work. Special Ops plan that's been put together. However, that doesn't mean that there certainly aren't some plans that provisions being put in place, preparations made for the seventeenth.

[8:03] That's all as wearing anything special is happening in time. Great? Well, if there are no other questions for Officer Denig. Thank you very much, Officer Denig. Thank you. I'll be around. Thank you very much for your time. Okay, to circle back to agenda. Item Number 4. I did not see any members of the public raise any hands. So with that we'll continue to agenda. Item Number 5, Jenna. Item Number 5 is a public hearing and consideration of an application filed on February fifteenth, 2,023 from residents in by Marriott, llc doing business as residents in by Maria. 3 0 3 0, center green drive bolter Colorado, 8 0 3 0; one Robert Mccarthy, manager, Kevin Kimball, manager, W. David, man manager, Bancroft, S. Gordon, secretary, and Katherine Rothweller, registered manager, with a business mailing address of 6 1 0 Smithfield Street unit, 300 Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania for renewal of a hotel restaurant type liquor license.

[9:14] If you are presenting for this agenda. Item, please take yourself off mute, and if you're available, please share your camera, please. Good afternoon. This is Ryan profit Registration Number 31 1 0 one, and while I've been able to take myself off mute, I think you may control my camera. And then Mr. Fred Warren is also with us today. Wonderful. Okay. Okay. there we go.

[10:00] Wonderful Council. Do you anticipate anyone else other than yourself and your client to testify? Thank you. Mr. Warren. If you could please state your name, spell your name and see your home address for the record. You're on mute bread, Warren, or Frederick Warren, 6 8 2 7, Hancock drive Fort Collins. Colorado, 805 2 6 wonderful. Thank you very much. You can please raise your right hand. and do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give in the manner before the Bever's licensing authority is true. Yes. and do you also for a firm that you or your employees have posted the poster at the premises for at least 10 days prior to today's hearing. Yes, thank you very much. Great. And since you're represented by council. Mr. Warren, I'd ask if you both would be willing to wave the readings of the procedures into the record we would so wave.

[11:04] Yes. thank you. And is there any conflict of interest or exparte communication from any Board members? Member California? No number Absalom, no Amber Wallace. Now Now remember Robert Snow. And also it's to see for the record that this applicants is in good standing with both sales, tax and liquor occupation tax. Great. Thank you. And is there anyone here that wishes to speak to this from the general public, this agenda Item. you could raise your hand. I am not seeing any. All right, counselor, you may proceed. Thank you. Good afternoon again, Brian. Profit Registration Number 31 1 0 one on behalf of the renewal applicant. Residents in here in boulder. Mr. Warren is the general manager for this facility. Briefly, we are here today on a renewal, a late

[12:04] received renewal application, and just wanted to give you a little bit of information with regard to that renewal, Mr. Warren, while he is the general manager of the facility. Actually, they do not handle renewals at the local level, as you might imagine. Marriott has over 600 hotels nationwide. It has nearly 2,500 licenses, each of which are renewed annually. Renewals are handled through a law firm in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, who handles all of their renewals. Now, in this instance, that law firm reached out to the Hotel either December or January. Regarding the tips certification, which, of course, is part of the required renewal packet. They received those tips cards back from the hotel. I believe it was January 30, first finished compiling a renewal application, and then had some difficulty with boulders online

[13:02] submittal portal emailed bolder on the second of February in an effort to try to figure that out. The deadline, however, was February fifth. They received a response back from Boulder on February sixth regarding those difficulties, and yet they still were not able to get this renewal packet uploaded. After a couple of days of continuing to try, they dropped it into a Fedex on February tenth. and that renewal then was received by Boulder on February thirteenth, and deemed late by I guess it was about 7 or 8 days importantly, I think, for your purposes here today. This isn't a case of the licensee, simply ignoring its responsibilities or duties. They were trying to get this done, but it was some difficulty again with the online portal.

[14:00] and that failure to be able to get it uploaded then resulted in it being late. But with that said, we understand it was received a bit late by you. Our apologies for that, and you know, Mr. Warren, as I mentioned, is here today. He is the local general manager at the facility he oversees both the residents and and the courtyard hotels here in Boulder, and he'd be happy to answer any questions you might have regarding their training. Everyone is currently trained on the one gentleman. His tips training expired. I think it was about 2 weeks ago. He is scheduled for an upcoming training later this month, and of course they can and will supplement his training certificate at that time. But that's all I have to say, if you had any questions for Mr. Warren directly, I would make him available to the authority for any. Follow up.

[15:00] Great. Thank you, Mr. Prophet. Are there any questions from the Board, for Mr. Warren sounds just like a technical issue to me. So go ahead, Steve. I have a question for Mr. Prophet. Mr. Prophet, do you have any idea what the unique the issue was with regards to renewing online? As it is, it is something that is done by by other licenses. And but what possibly could have gone wrong with this? Is this a law firm? Well, my understanding is from having spoken to the paralegal who was assigned this matter that it had something to do. And admittedly. I I have had difficulty with your online portal and trying to file applications and things like that. It's not particularly user friendly. But what I understand is that the occupation tax was renewed in a timely manner, but for some reason they weren't able to link the addresses for the hotel to the same.

[16:01] I'm gonna use the wrong terminology here. But I i'm simply going to say the same account. And so, when that Paralegal was trying to handle the renewal of the liquor license, they had difficulties, Finding the address for the hotel and linking that packet, and that is what caused them to have to reach out to Boulder in order to try to get it straightened out. So, Christian, did you hear that feedback. or whoever needs to hear that I did. Thank you. I appreciate that feedback. And I actually worked with this applicant directly with their inquiries to our licensing online email and provided some direct assistance to try to get them set up on the portal. I would like to note that when this applicant reached out to us with the technical difficulties that they were experiencing at that point. They were already late before they had, even before they had even contacted our office. So you did get back to them before before this, the fifth or 6. As it was, Steven

[17:02] I was in contact with that applicant back in February. Was there original point of contact? Okay. but anyways so. But but did have we made the issue easier for other people to use now, or what? What's the issue? We haven't Had Any other applicants have that same difficulty so that they get a renewal application. John, do you want to speak to that. Certainly in our on our website we do have a step by step guide for how to submit things online and for the online system I believe it is Step number 3. There is a a Pdf. With instructions, and when it gets to the point of locating the address, there is a section there that States to put in, because we do understand that it is temperamental when people try to put in addresses, so we inform people to just put in the number. as well as the street name, for example, 1 136 Alpine. That's the only information they would put in, and they'd be able to locate their information, because in the past this was an issue. So we tried to put information out there on our website for people to follow. That.

[18:10] Yeah, I I I sometimes have the same problem with the planning planning departments. Right? Thanks. I I just wanted to make sure that there was any feedback that you could give, it would be helpful. I appreciate that. And and certainly in this instance, you know, I wasn't the one uploading this while I have spoken with that paralegal, you know I don't entirely understand some of the issues she had. I would note we're gonna see again next month. I'll give you that heads up the courtyard. Renewal was due almost exactly the same time, just a little bit earlier than this, and for the same reasons it was late, filed as well, and so I only mentioned that.

[19:03] Well, a. So you'll remember us next month, but also be I. I I do think you mentioned the planning and development website as being sometimes temperamental and and difficult. And it's mister. I'm sorry, John, I will Absolutely. But you your last name, so i'll just say, John mentions they're essentially the same system. and while someone who maybe work in them consistently or often can probably find their way through them, those folks who are only filing renewals annually or using them rarely. You kind of have to relearn the system every year, and I can personally speak to some difficulties from a you know, not from a renewal perspective, but from filing applications. But that's neither here in or there. It was received late. It was an air on Marriott's end, and for that we do apologize for its late receipt. All right. Thank you. Any other questions from the Board.

[20:03] not seeing any Mr. Prophet. Did you have anything else? You wanted to present? Nothing for me? All right. At this point we'll close for deliberation. Is there a motion and move to renew the license. I'll second that motion to renew the license. All right, all in favor, say aye, Member California. I no wraps on my every wall aside number car. I remember Roberts, I thank you very much. Motion passes. Thank you very much for your time. Have a wonderful afternoon. thank you. Bye. bye, bye. continuing with agenda. Item Number 6 is a public hearing and consideration of an application filed on February 20 third 2023 from the kitchen Cafe llc doing business as the kitchen, 1039, Pearl Street boulder, Colorado, 8 0 3 0 2

[21:02] Hugo matheson manager, Kimball, Musk, manager. and Jason heine registered manager with a business mailing address of 1 6 0, one Pearl Street unit, 200 Bolter, Colorado, 8 0 3 0 2 for renewal of a hotel restaurant type, flicker, license the counsel, bye, for I was able to ask you to. There you go, perfect. Thank you very much, and Council, if you could please record your appearance, and i'll get your clients warned it. James Bingford. Registration 1 3 1 4 2, appearing on behalf of the kitchen cafe, Llc. And with me is alley by yet who is in the administrative office at for the kitchen cafe. Thank you very much. Council. Do you anticipate anyone other than yourself, and this by it you would testify. We do not thank you. Miss Pia. Can you please state your name? Spell your name and see your home address for the record.

[22:06] Yeah, Alison A. I. S. O. N. P. I. E, t, e. 7 1 9 wagon, then road, birthday, Colorado, 80513, Thank you. If you could please raise your right hand. and do you swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to give in the matter before the beverage licensing authority is true. Yes. thank you. And do you also swear or affirm that you or your employees have posted the poster at the premises for at least 10 days prior to today's hearing. Yes, thank you very much. All right. And, Miss Pyatt, I'd ask, since if you're represented by Council, if you'd be willing to skip the reading of the procedures into the record. Yes. great. And is there any ex parte communication or conflict of interest from any board members on this agenda Item. Remember California. No.

[23:00] never absolute. No. Remember Wallace now. Number of card. Now Emma Roberts No. and this applicant is both in good standing with sales tax as well as liquor occupation tax. Great? And is there anybody in the meeting that wishes to speak to this agenda? Item. I think it's the last of us, so no one's really here, counselor, he may proceed. Thank you very briefly. This was a late application that was filed late. It was just a flat mistake by the kitchen cafe. it the cause of which is not a real cause of it. There was a change of staff internally with the kitchen cafe, and the person responsible for the ongoing renewals left the kitchen. and I was replaced by the ally who's with us. And just it was just a flat mistake, and not, maybe fully explaining the procedures.

[24:01] The City of Boulders great about communicating by email. And there was some email sent, but they weren't forward to alley by the by, the kitchen person that not boulder. and once this was recognized, got it filed right away. There's a couple of mistakes that we cleared up, and I think it's in good standing now. The they've been licensed since 2,004, and so I My math is only good, but it's 19 or 20 years that they've done everything correctly. They have another license in boulder that was filed on time right before this, but that was before the person the employment change. So it was just a flat mistake on behalf of a good licensing good standing that's done it right for 20 years. so no great explanation of then it changes. Staff and ally is now up to speed on. The procedure is, learn the the aspiration date is not the due date, and I think that was the major major issue. She understood the aspiration date, but it wasn't explained where the 2 45 days in advance.

[25:11] and just flat, made a mistake. Great Thank you for that. Do we have to? Are there any questions from this pilot from the board? Not seeing any counselor. Is there anything else you'd like to present? No, just. We're here because it was file late, and it was our fault. I apologize for that. And but it really was it just an internal. not not restructuring, just a reassignment of duties. And this was Alley's first time renewing a polar license? And it was just a mistake internally, but I don't think it was necessarily a mistake, because she was new at it. It wasn't maybe explain to her properly.

[26:00] But the mistakes, the mistake. It comes back to the licensee. and i'm sure from the experience it will not happen again as as their track record for 1920 years. Yeah. Demonstrates Great. Thank you. This point. We'll close for deliberation. Is there a motion move to renew the license? Wallace. Member California with second, that all in favor. Say, aye, Member California. I remember absolutely that we all assign amber car. I member Roberts I renewal approved. Thank you so much. You very much for your time today. Thank you. It's 3300, no, all right, thank you. Again continuing with the Jen. I don't Number 7 is matters from the assistant city attorney.

[27:06] like I have the longer agenda item Today I I added a memo into your packets just about the petitioning process comparison with our elections process. There are a few different elections processes, so I pick the initiative elections process, which is the matter, or the way in which a citizen gets something on the ballot that was the most similar I could find compared to the other types of elections petitioning. I just wanted to fly this for you for further discussion since we talked about it last month. You guys are interested, or the Board is interested in creating more of a robust discussion around what petitioning looks like for look for licenses. One of the other things I promised I would do is reach out to other cities and see if I could get any feedback on what they do, and I didn't get a lot of feedback. So I've been thinking about another option that I could do if if you guys want more information than what I've given here. We have a walk around our office. It can go through different codes and just do a comparison to see if there's more and other codes. So that is an option. If you're curious about other cities, maybe nearby cities, or something like that.

[28:09] But this I included in here. Just so, you know there's I did like a side by side. I thought that would be the easiest for each of the different. I don't know. I like tables. I hope that's okay, rather than just a bunch of words. And then at the end I included some things that the State does, as far as elections beyond what the city does, such as what has to go on each petition. You know the laws explained on there and then I also included what we already send out. What Kristen, her team already send out as far as licensing goes. to the petitioners, just so that you can see kind of what what's laid out already. So yeah, so if you have questions or you want to discuss further, I just wanted to let you know that was in your packet, and we can talk about it more. and it's kind of a lot of pages that are Not that I was reading this earlier I thought it was great. The table really gives you an idea of what we're looking at with each component of this.

[29:06] I guess my question would be around if we were to change this. Would that be a change in Bla rules? It depends on what part you're looking at. A lot of it is so. That's why I kind of cited the rule citation under each one. So the State law is a lot of the petitioning is for learning about the desires of the neighborhood that needs and desires of the neighborhood. There isn't as much in the State law, so a lot of it is either boulder ordinances. and most of it is in our rules of procedure. Most of the details. Yeah, the one thing I was saying is the required number of same changes on a petition. There is not a requirement for Vla rules. It's quote a good sampling of both residences and businesses in the neighborhood. What is a good sampling. I I I I would just. I would just say that it's it's left nebulous on purpose. and and that is is to to leave the ultimate decision up to the licensing authority

[30:09] as to whether or not it was, it was, it was up enough or not enough to sway the authority to to make the decision that the the person presenting the petitions wishes us to to to, to to make. I in my research. In decades ago I discovered that petitions really only carry him out of weight, that the the the licensing authority wishes to give them. You can have a petition with hundreds of people signing the petition. and you can have one or 2 people show up at the meeting and be in opposition to the license; and should the authority vote in opposition based on those people who showed up to testify. It will be held up. It will be supported in court because people showed up to to challenge it. So it wasn't really a numbers thing, you know. 700 people signed up petition. All the 2 people showed up to speak against it

[31:04] that has been challenged in that that was challenged in court, and it was the the of aid licenses, or is not just not folders, but a license that always right to do so was was upheld. So I guess it. It. It didn't really behoove us to set a figure to make it make it. The that was important enough to to to give it any more weight than than it is just a group of people who were asked by the by, the license, the the license, the attempt attempted licensee as to whether or not they agreed with them. and that's all the information I have. But I thought it was. I thought it was interesting when I, when I was doing the research that as long as people showed up in opposition. we have the ability to to to weigh one against the other, regardless the number of on the petition. Yeah, as long as you have a reasonable like decision, I think part of it, too, with the number is. It depends on the neighborhood. you know, when we did the reservation stuff. The houses are a lot more spread out. There's just not as many where as if you're more downtown.

[32:06] there may be more The 1 one license that that caused me to do that was when the Rio moved from its an original location on Pearl to the corner location at the seventeenth in Pearl. So there was a petition in excess of a 30% of the entire registered neighborhood in opposition to the license. and was over 700 signatures in in opposition to the license. and it was more than the then. It was more than the partition in in, in, in in favor of the license. And yet the the liquor board went ahead and granted them the license because there were people who came and spoke in favor of the license. And so it's kind of both ways. So yeah. yeah, that makes sense to me. I I was just wondering just the ambiguity there that's interesting, but otherwise that that I I think the weight that we give to it is a good explanation. So thank you, Steve.

[33:14] Anything else for Laurel. Well, thank you, Laurel, for doing all that research. Yeah, absolutely. And if you guys mull over inside. You want to change the rules. We can talk about it. I'm happy to do further research to you as far as what other cities and towns do just let me know. Yeah. And I' it was helpful just to see this. I bet it was for me, too. Thank you so very much. You with the Jennifer. Number 8 is matters from the licensing clerk and Kristen You You did say something you wanted to to mention at this time. Thanks. John got a few things to mention here first. I just wanted to provide some clarification around the requirements for filing renewal applications. Since that came up during the meeting today.

[34:10] Businesses are encouraged to submit their renewal applications online using our portal, but they're not required to do so. We know it can be kind of confusing to navigate that system, so they always have the option to submit their renewals in person in the mail or v athetics or ups. We want to make sure that we're providing multiple options to applicants to be able to get those in on time. So just wanted to clarify that. And then along those lines we are preparing to present the updates to the the procedure to counsel in April, and that those changes will become effective immediately upon Council's approval. So we'll let you know when that happens. And as we mentioned during the retreat, we are anticipating a reduction in the volume of renewal hearings that we'll have for the board. Once those rules go to an into effect when you have a little more

[35:06] flexibility, for when we schedule those renewal hearings. and then the last thing I wanted to mention is just a quick update on board recruitment. So, as we mentioned last month, today is Member Wallace's last meeting with the Bla, so I just wanted to take another moment to thank him for his many years of service to the Board, and and but you know, Member Wallace, that you will very much be missed. I appreciate it, and I can't tell you what an honor it was to fill Kevin's commitment. We're very, very grateful member. Wall is truly Thank you so much. Unfortunately, we did not receive any other applications for that vacant seat, so we will have a 4 member forward until we can complete a mid year recruitment sometime, hopefully in May. So I know we're getting into the summer season, and we just wanted to

[36:05] ask the board if you do have any summer vacations, or if you're planning to have to miss a meeting for whatever reason. If you could just provide as much advance notice as possible. We do need a minimum of 3 members to have a forum. So if we could have some advance notice if that's going to be an issue, so we can let the applicants know and and reschedule those hearings that needed. and that's it for me. Thanks, John. Thank you very much. Let's see, I got continuing with the agenda. Item Number 9 is matters from the chair, and members of the authority. The only thing I had was Kristen, if you could beg city council to put us at the beginning of the agenda. I don't know if that's possible. I've just. I've known that having to go in front of them before they scheduled it at 9, 30 at night, which is not exactly the best time.

[37:02] And do you know what date that might be that we go before. So we're trying to get it scheduled for April twentieth, and we are scheduling it as a consent. Item. So i'm not anticipating that any members of the Board will need to be present for that meeting. If that changes I will let you know, but as of right now it's it's scheduled for consent. So I wouldn't ask any of you to be there unless you would like to laurel. Did you want to add to that I was just gonna say consent and consent items. If we are able to get it on consent, and the Council can pull it off. it is on consent. Consent is the one of the first items that goes through. So if you do decide to come, we won't. Be there hopefully until 9 30. Could you explain what the differences there content versus another process? Yeah, Christian, do you want me to? Or would you like to? Yeah, if you don't, mind? Well, thank you. Yeah. So there's 2 different types of agendas. That kind of go through. The regular agenda is similar to what you see here. It's got public hearings. It's got ordinances for consideration kind of the longer items. And then before that is what they call consent agenda, and it's kind of similar to what we have here with our minutes.

[38:12] It's a list of things that they can just approve on one motion, and the idea there is that they're seeing it, and they're approving it, and they can pull something out and put it down for, like more of a robust discussion, they call it a consent agenda. But the idea here is that they just vote on it once and run. And so there's certain things based on the rules that go through consent. Our bill. A rules of procedure is a resolution instead of an ordinance, meaning it's not being turned into our code, it's not being turned into law. It's just they're approving our rules. And so because that's not an ordinance technically. Then they put it on the consent, or we're asking them to put it on the concept. Yeah. And so there's much of rules about what goes where and usually what happens with consent. Agendas, too, is ordinances. So code changes, such as our special fee Changes has to be. Go before council twice, one of them on consent agenda, and then the next one, as a public hearing and a public hearing is where the public can come and comment on it. And there's more of a discussion kind of like our public hearings here.

[39:10] Thank you. That's awesome. Yes, the Matthew. I wouldn't bother going to this one at all. I'd go to go to this good second reading. They'll let you know if they pull it off of the consent, right? And then we'll know in advance. Okay, that's good. Yeah, we'll know in advance. Yeah, they what they do is they have like a scheduling meeting in advance, and they talk about each of these items. Yeah, so that's how we'll know whether or not it's gonna go forward on the 20 Great. Thank you. Anything else from any of the Board members. Well, one thing I was going to say it I how important I think it is for the be like to get back into meeting in person one of the things that I have always been aware of in the course of the many, many years of of service on the the great authority

[40:02] is a a big portion of our ability to make a difference within the liquor community is perceived rather than actual. and that perception is enhanced by meeting with the licenses in person rather than take them, taking 10 min off of their day and coming online and seeing us. And not only that, that is, that is only one of the many reasons why I think it's important for the be to to to convene in person both a month with the the members and and the licenses. and it's it's. I think you run the risk of of causing you need this all right now. I think that as we go forward, and this is for the the the members members, it might be relatively new. It it's your agendas right now are really short.

[41:02] and they're short, because there's there's little to do, and there's little to do because we're coming off of the pandemic as we move forward, and more licenses begin to apply for license to fill the vacant locations which have not both closed, and it did not open, which they absolutely will, because the demand is, is, is is coming back it slowly. But but coming back. the the violations will start to occur. and your ability to to educate everybody and do what the main job of the of. I see the liquor authority to do, which is to represent the community in in keeping us safe and keeping everyone safe. and I think doing that in person carries much more weight than doing it It's bye. Thanks. thanks again for your service, Steve.

[42:00] Anything else from any of the other board members. I'll just say, thank you, Steve. I learned a lot from you over these years, being on the other side as the president of the R. H. For so many years. So thank you so much, and i'm with that I would make a motion to with you in my second. All in favor. Say, I remember California, I We were absolutely number one. Sorry. Yeah, the car. I remember Roberts. I Okay, everybody we are adjourned at 3 44 Pm. And I think the city of Boulder is in great hands. I think you we have a great being, a a for it. And you guys are going to do great work.